Continental Mog Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/05-22-2026-update.135477/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>568097150
I play victor and im trans :3
make urn every 10 minutes, game fixed.buff venator
Vindicta should be removed from the game. Only aimhacking trannies and chinks play her
My wife Lilah Silver
>>568161048
I play graves and my pp is 24"
I want to try daggermaxxing vyper with rapid recharge since they buffed it but i also don't want to throw the game for other players
>>568161289go back shartytoddler
Deadlock is so fun guys, I can't stop playing!
>>568161239Too high7 minutes and we have a deal
>>568161239>make a bad mechanic rear its head less often instead of changing or removing it. that'll fix it!stupid anime whore
>vyper nukes a walker with backdoor protection before I can even get there on the zip from the other side walkerwhat the actual fuck I had no idea she could do thisremove this gay ass character already
>>568161445Imagine if deadlock had a hero like Nina......
> Other team has Gunfernus> He should be fairly easy to deal with, just buy plated armor and dispel> Bebop on my team keeps dying to him because he insists that if you just buy return fire you can make Infernus ignite himself
>drifter sucks>apollo sucks>geist sucksbro who am I even meant to play?
>Street brawl doesn't give me knockdown or phantom strike against VindictaFuck...
Victors scars are so trans validating, Yoshi really knows what we gamers want!
>>568161595An angry autist with a guitar and a mic?
>>568161504I love this video. It's extremely true. Shiv is probably the only hero that can get a lot of mileage out of one stam. I'm in favor of nerfing his stamina back to 2 so we can put the fake Shiv """mains""" on fraudwatch.
Why does the game need an Urn? Dota 2 is fine without it.
>>568161846yeah and dota 2 is boring farmslop where 2 players on your team are sissies stuck pulling jungle for your pos1 not enjoying the game
>>568161945Dynamo being regulated into being a camp pulling sissy sounds a lot better.
They should add an objective that lets you hyperboost a zipline for 30 seconds or something
>>568161715even if thats the case, the end result is two people on fire, not some Johnathon Joestar reversal
>>568161945dota2 hasn't been farmslop for years. last I checked even if you're crystal maiden you're expected to be 6 slotted with a couple of big ticket items from how much gold gets rained down in the first 20 mins. old hypercarries like spectre were made useless/pointless because of this
Even with the best healing ability in the game, Rems will still be Rems
huh
Heres my opinion:>revert the urn location but keep the king of the hill shit>add new objective on the rooftops that helps you push lane>add new objectives at the edges of the map that act like minibosses
>>568162567That's just Heroes of the Storm.
gay sex with apollo!
>dealing with back pain>teamate gets extremely angry with me>thinks I'm implying I'm carrying him>throws the game in rage>pop another naproxen as I eat another Lpain
>>568161239new urn every 10 minutesold urn every 5make mid like the old style mid where there's a building in the center of the map. put the drop off put in the building put the old style urn drop off points in the far corners of the map that nobody ever goes togive new urn some sort of new, unique benefit
>>568162683League and Dota do it too at this point
>>568161764so true victor xister
>>568162720god's strongest dad gamer
>>568161723YamatoOr Silver
>>568161723Drifter and Geist do not suck what are you smoking
REMINDER:If you're not buying magic carpet on EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER:YOU ARETHROWING!
>>568163003Magic what now?
>>568162998The pros commentating during the tournament said as much when asked why Geist doesn't get picked anymore
MLC 3-0 LKW
REMINIDERIf your not bying Trophy Collector on EVERY SINGULAR CARACTERURTHROWIN!
Should I start making my own builds?I've been going on a sort of play-every-hero sequence and I keep running into situations where the typical builds feel violently unintuitiveI understand they're all probably configured for optimal play but I don't play optimally and I've run into similar situations before
>>568163003>>568163214This but unironically
>Egg>Trophy>CultistIs there a more kino build?
>>568163128I don't care unless either one of them picks Silver
>>568163220No follow statlocker every game or lose.
>>568163323yeah, it's:torment pulsewarp stone
>>568163120pro play isn't mm. In mm Graves has a 60% winrate but in pro play she's not picked
>>568163323Does anyone even build egg or is it just deemed a complete noob trap
>>568163220if you feel confident then yeah.it's mostly game knowledge you need to know and once you know that, you dont even need a pre-made build outside of accessibility to you're not looking through a list of items trying to find that one item you swear was green
>>568163128EU had 150 ping.This made them pick Victor. Three times
>>568162998Geist sucks because her damage is too low. If she's pure gun, she gets outgunned by gun carries. If she's a hybrid, she gets outgunned by gun carries AND spirit nukers. If she's spirit, she gets outgunned by support Rem.
GOD PLEASE YOSHIIM SORRY FOR CALLING YOU A RETARDPLEASE REVERT THE URN ALREADY YOU HAD YOUR FUN
>>568163424nta but small correction, graves 54%, mcginnis is 61.20%, she was 60% yesterday
>>568163725wtfwhy is miku so good all of a sudden
I hope the lich grooming graves is a sexy milf
does valve work on memorial day or are we stuck with this shit patch for three and a half days
>>568163524Did you extend the NA teams the same grace last month when they got wiped on EU servers?
Fucking insane how many horrible matches ive gotten the last week and a half. Its fucking staggering, its never been this bad.
if i drop my gravestone and leave the lane, do i get money from the creeps the ghouls kill?
>>568163850https://steamdb.info/app/3488080/history/The secret club is still being updated
>>568163323>decay>scourge>EE
I feel like if they just changed the dropoff point the other new urn changes would be basically irrelevant (with possible exception of the defensive aura)Like it's pretty much purely that it takes place in mid where you have enormous sightlines and convergence is easy
>>568163805She was already top WR last patch, then this patch they buffed her again(why the fuck did they do that) and made the new urn that massively favours characters with good AOE/area denial kits.
>>568163805>Hero who's entire kit is about setting up in one(1) place and locking it down>In a mobility shooter where everyone dashslidejumpdashblinkteleports everywhere>...but now the meta is permafighting over one(1) place that needs to be locked down
>>568163805>drops 18 turrets around the bridge>walls off half of the enemy team>SPECTRAL BARRAGE the urn drop point for 30 minutes
>>568164083Yeah no shit
did the leakers really get killed? I want a leak
Just had a magic carpet Miku Ginnis on my team in my last game. This guy was just SPECTRAL BARRAGING up in the sky like he's an IDF pilot
>>568164083changes less than you think because running the urn + the ensuing low-scale melee brool can absolutely take long enough for people across the map to show up
>>568163426Sometimes I grab it on Graves
>>568164214she was already top winrate in E6 for a month in during the previous "dashslidejumpdashblinkteleports" meta BTW.
>>568164285YepYoshit got pissed at all the leaks before ognb
>>568163323Warp StoneArctic Blast
>>568163805>all of a suddenShe was good last patch for like a month>whyHer ult is mina/seven tier. It shreds anyone caught in it amd slows them, not to mention the wall and turrets
Yeah i played for the first time after the patch today and the urn is just so fucked. The worst part about it is that if you lose the 20 minute mark urn fight you just lose the game since they also immeidately kill midboss. Also its really fucking hard to tell which team the urn is currently spinning for in the middle of a bunch of people throwing spells everywhere
>>568163826its a dilf
>>568163826the lich is a lolibaba
they should delete vindicta and gray talon from street brawl
https://youtube.com/shorts/Afw1Q1htEOIwhy are silver players like this?
>>568164350I actually have a theory that even if you completely reverted everything except the music you'd still see an uptick in urn engagement compared to pre-patch just because the "urn spawned" jingle is so aggressively attention grabbing
>>568164083>changing urn from a near-instant drop-off to rejuv 2.0 would be irrelevantYou're a retard.
Spirit Graves actually fucks so hard now. Its insane how much better the skulls are now, especially considering they were technically nerfed. Goes to show how poorly they were functioning before
>hear someone invading our double sinners>about to win the 1v1 when three of his teammates show up and save him with a sliver of health>nobody comes to help me>on the other side of the map the enemy seven solo pushes and takes a walkerinstantly went afkthat's literally impossible to allow but it happened because everyone is legit afk jungling or something
We desperately need a jungle and midboss revampe that actually makes them threateningI need to see a guncuck come across a camp with high bullet resistance or bebop that gets stunned for using his ult
>>568164975It is a groovy bop, as they might say in 1949
>>568164831
>>568165102You say that, but consider the old dropoff locations. Those little platforms aren't exactly peak dueling arenas. You'd probably get a bit more aggression (mainly because sniping the souls is no longer an option) but I still think it's the mid dropoff that's throwing everything else offAt the very least I'd like to see what the urn changes look like without the middle of the map turning into brool central
>>568165356he's catfishing her
>>568164943white people
Sex with Venator
i love being a paige otp
>>568165370Urn moving to mid is definitely the ultra exacerbating factor in what makes this iteration such ass, but even if they kept their old locations it would be a massive change to how urn is fought. I'd be willing to see how it plays out if the location is moved back too (it'll probably still suck but I'd at least entertain it).
>>568165684Literally, figuratively, and genuinely BUILT for, for, f- well... y-you know, she...
>>568165508>>568164943ytoids have issues fr
>>568165684BUILT for dogs
>>568165684Paige is so fed she's become Brooke
/dlg/cord raid warning in case you somehow weren't aware
>>568165508>>568165870your skin is the color of poo
being a paige otp has its weird benefitsfor example, i get a friend request after every game...what do they mean by this?
I have chocolate chip cookies and orange juice :)
>>568163805I just had this faggot in my game>plays only mcginnis>mutes everyone and doesnt communicate>afk farms for the entire fucking game, never showing up for urn fights>is perma overextended, soaks up your farm and dies>is carried by mirage who goes 15-3>thinks he won us the game cuz he showed up after 30min
>>568166274very good snacks but a very bad combo ive got a tummy ache just thinking about that
Can anyone explain to my why it is when I'm even 4-5k behind it feels like all my items are turned off? Even if the enemy doesn't have resist, it's like their HP just doesn't move
>>568166346Very nice, very nice.Now let's see the entire scoreboard, including you and the team ranks.
>>568166632play graves or billy
>>568162683>that's just (a moba)yeahremove the item shop if not
>>568163003If they readd the barrier on it I might just
>>568165684I need to cum inside that booty
>>568164975Yes. I noticed a large uptick of teammates that actually killed people ulted by dynamo, holliday and mo when they added the new ult voiceline sound effects.
Egg on Geist?
>play seven after weeks (months?) of not playing him>do zero damage, die to a breeze and slow as shitwhat am i missing
> oh boy new patch> apollo nerfed graves buffed > oh boy > load into game> 3 back to back one sided stomp games vs the most obvious stacks and smurfs
should I just afk at this point
>>568168646i'm afraid they are not stacks and smurfs, patch is so shit that every single game is a stomp decided by who wins the first urn
>>568168714i wish that was it but nah these guys were moving perfectly. amazing ganks, coordinating urn perfectly. Their pocket has not seen the sun in weeks
>Sometimes we're pretty confident right off the bat that an idea is terrible. But if we can quickly make a testable version, sometimes we'll playtest it anyway just to make sure. Even a terrible weapon can turn into something interesting with a little iteration.Were labrats bros....
>>568168834no shit nigger how many times do we have to tap the "alpha test" sign
>>568168460Skill?
>>568168963i used to shitstomp people on seven not too long ago and it was a weak patch for him back then
>>568168834well? how are they gonna iterate on the urn then
God damn, radiant regen goes hard on Victor
i love victor
>>568165972No shit, the fucking tranny posting didn't tip you off?
>>568166346>most souls>most damage >not only a positive kda ratio but above 2>"fuck iseral"I've seen enough, yoshi give this man a BASED
>>568169146It's quite nice, yes.
>>568166632>Can anyone explain to my why it is when I'm even 4-5k behind it feels like all my items are turned off?Deadlock has this funny innovative mechanic where "souls" function as both XP and GOLD(currency) so if someone is ahead of you in souls then he will always have more HP/spirit/gun etc, also he will be up an item or two on you if he went to the shop, not accounting for different heros obviously
>>568166346>mutes everyone and doesnt communicateIs there any other way to play shit shit?I wish I could turn off mic pop-ups when somebody is talking. I have voice chat turned off, why do I need to see mic icons?
>>568168460>>do zero damage,He has one of the highest overall dps outputs in the game idk what you're on about >die to a breezeHe's not a tank + big head>and slow as shitNo movment abilities and they removed his passive sprint scaling.
>>568169146Tipw for jump-start self damage vs self healing calculation? I feel like i sometimes deal more damage to myself by using it, and if i use it too late i die before it does anything>>568169307I love graves
pls give feedback This character has Soldier's alt-fire missile(56.5 bullet damage, also movement even if i don't it and will regret it), Mordekaiser/Legion Commander's duel that scales
>>568165981Through multiple generals it's an interesting trend how the resident shitposter is always a subhuman ape
>8 games lost in a row>last game a 0/9 Infernus wrote in all chat to report me for "grefing">the grefing in question was me pushing lanes and taking down walkers while the rest of the retarded team was forcing brools over urnnice fucking update Yoshi, I love it
>>568170346favela monkeys have more time to shitpost
Who is stronger this patch, Silver or Wraith? I need a new main
im going in!
>>568170117To have good jumpstart healing you need to max it first or it'll never be worth the press.The increased scaling is really good, also take a peak on your js healing and just do the quick math on when it's worth pressing.Try to use it to charge pain battery.
Computer, generate image of Paige as a little girl.Make her wear micro bikini and randoseru.
>>568169307I envy husbandofags
Played Mo&Krill for the first time last nightStarting to understand why they call him No&Skill
>>568170227Need to see the gun and shmoovment, abilities are fine, no silly shit like seven/pocket infinitely lasting abilities so i think it's somewhat balanced, as for the concept it seems fine, nothing amazing that i want to see but nothing I'm against seeing in the game>MordekaiserI don't see the resemblance desu, the concept you posted seems more similar to celeste and vindicta imo, mord is more akin to abrams but more magical, just a buff giganigaa that rapes the other team's bara top laner before he kidnaps the support to brazil for hardcore maledom as you scream at the screen "RITOOOOOO"
>>568170346if you're disingenuous and only count what >they post and not the usual sharty indian spam (You) based aryan people post
>>568170575>Try to use it to charge pain battery.Yeah i know>>568170575>The increased scaling is really good, also take a peak on your js healing and just do the quick math on when it's worth pressing.The problem i have is that it does 15% current hp damage to you, so i always want to use it when I'm low but idk, I'll try it if i get him in brawl
>>568170502Between the two, WraithIf you're not already playing Miku you should just pick her up though
>>568170974If you're at half or below just click it.At 1500hp you take 225 damage and at max with some good items you should heal a bit over 600 turning it into around 400 health.Don't press it if you have heavy anti heal like crippling + inhib because you'll just rape yourself. Feel it out, Victor's a limit tester.
>>568170885It's a recurring trend, every time it's you fucking human pieces of shit
>>568170439hes literally right though?
>>568161380You are throwing my future game by not being the best version of yourself. Play dagger Vyper now before you match with me.
>>568170867her gun deals damage like paige or doorman(can't decide) but does not penetrate and is not rapid fire, more like geist fire rateher alt-fire is akin to soldier rocket launcher from tf2 that shoots magical missile from the broom that deals said damage and does splash damage, recoil like shiv, splash does displacement knockback to both you and enemies but more knockback to you, while still dealing 50% reduce self damage, splash radius scales with spirit poweras for Mordrekaiser's resemblance, i just thought of the dueling minigame and legion commanders permanent boost for winning the duel.
I need 100 ccs of silver cookie juice in my mouth, STAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>568170749He's easy and a pretty good pressure soaker, closest hero in this game to an actual tank imo, at least in regards to how the role is supposed to function in other games
We need a better objective mechanic than heavy melee and parry.With more than 2v2 it just turns into random spam.
>>568165684i need you.. but ONLY if you have cute feet
>>568171806yeah sure go open the /gif/ indian thread and show your knowledge of indian culture and religion that'll clean the thread
What's the deal with Yamato's alt fire?
>>568172645its good in the first 5 minutes of the lane phase, after that it becomes a dead input that does nothing
>>568172636What does that have to do with any of this?
>tfw my hero can't farm damage because she kills too fastHow am I going to rank up...
>GT hits me with a 690 charge shot and 357 mystic shot at once>>568172703Actually you're supposed to hold right click whilst doing your combo as to buffer it between grapples and power slashes
How do i successfully jump off of walls?Whenever i try i either end up destroying my momentum or accidentally vault and climb over the edge instead of jumpingIs there a trick to wall jumps?
>>568172703>first 5 minutesYour mystic shot? It's a braindead way of making sure your mystic shot will never miss, meaning you get 100% value out of that item.
>>568172985Haze? Every Haze I see that's not a mouth breather get like 15+ kills but has barely any damage even though she's solo killing everything.
>>568173156fuck mystic shot what if I bought a better item
>>568165680Calm down Mina!
>>568173085>accidentally vault and climb over the edge instead of jumpingAngle your camera 45 degrees away from the ledge. You only mantle if your camera is facing it.
>>568170227The charge should teleport you and the target to the arena instantly. The door also opens automatically behind you, but closes in like 2 seconds.I think that's the sweet spot to having pick potential in a 6v6 while also giving the enemy a chance to stay close and peel for someone, and potentially 2v1 you in your arena.1 has to be the most interesting ability with 4. You can pin someone, then take them to the rape arena stunned (maybe special interaction with a longer stun since the shadow has to go ALL the way over to another realm?). You can pin their ally so they can't join without taking a lot of damage. In the arena, the pin just makes every fall worse.
>>568170117When you jumpstart at low health you will outheal the self damage. Also try to combo jumpstart with heal minion drops if you can, if you do it at the same time they basically combine together to give a super heal (healing trooper gives more health the more you're missing)
>>568173156it doesnt do the full mystic shot damage if it explodes far from the center of the enemy
>1/11 moe afks for the rest of the match>victor keeps diving random lanes for no reason without his ult>team tries to push mid while 4 people are literally in our base spawn camping us>wraith literally just wandering around the enemy jungle like they're playing a fucking single player game while the enemy is in our baseI can't take it anymore this game fucking sucks
I think I'm done with playing Paige as a support. Getting matched with complete retards.
Buff graves gun dps and autoaim range already.
>>568174512if you just got molested by a calico repeatedly, that was me and you might be a retard for getting molested by a ritualist 1 calico and I might be going to jail for molesting a retard
how do i cope with the fact that i'm perma-initiate
I don't get what the proper strategies are for street brawl. Most of the time I just have a team that's wandering around confused
>>568173961matchmaking is completely random
>>568172192You'll have to go straight to the source for that
How long until we're back down to 20k concurrent players?
>>568176214never. i saw a tranny that used to play marvel rivals swap to this
>>568174512>paigeThat's the support experience baby! have mercy on your mental health and at least build mostly spirit so you can do something on your own instead of relying your lane duo who could be a sleeper agent like metro
I'm seeker btw
>Think about booting up Deadlock>picture the retarded heavy melee parry spam scramble urn fight>remember that these decide who wins>No longer want to boot up Deadlock
Remove parries, they are cheats.
The most important stats in the game are the base stats that every hero has and the boons they get which count as base stats, everything else scales off of these except for spirit which is a flat amount through and through. Anons who minimise the impact of buffs and nerfs to the base stats like gun damage and health are misguided
>>568176543It both teams are good then it's actually aoe cc spam instead of parry baiting.
>Think about booting up Deadlock>IN HERE>Oh wait...>I AM>...I forgot to uninstall and remove the game from steam library after last match>KING!
mid boss needs to be soloable by the team's m1gger so the rest of his team can stay outside the cuckpit, this solves aoeslopthats why aoeslop is not a problem in roshan's pit
>>568177025ON THE MID BRIDGEIAM KING!
>>568176214Unless a disaster happens we'll hit the next major patch before that.
its time. add storm spirit to deadlock
>>568177169Speaking of, when will the next big update hit?Sometime in june?
>>568176110DON'T MIND IF I DO
>>568177986August
>they supposedly nerfed victor in the new patch>hes still in every single match, but now with an even higher winrate than before for some reasonjust delete the hero at this point
Me biglyBurgerbox geamMe hit qMe hit fMe biglyGoat
>>568170117i made this for u anon i love victor and graves too
>>568175526Nigga just high priority queue Warden or something and 1v6 your way to seeker at least.
just had a nasty billy game this really needs a chat after the game so i can talk shit like in dota
>>568178907warden shoots marshmallows now hes shit
>>568178695She is not opening her mouth wide enough.
Anyone wanna guess what happened in this game?
>>568178481Gun Victor isn't so much worse as to be non viable and spirit Victor is back with the buff to his 2 and both are extremely good for urn brools thanks to the ult.
>>568163003>>568163240Why do you need carpet? It's not worth the gimmick air movement and you only ever need to get to mid quickly now and there is a million vents to do that. Gameplay loop is now lane for 10 minutes and hope not to feed and get guardian if you can, run mid for urn broll and hope you get urn and win the teamfight, go jungle and safe lane in side lanes for 5 mintues, repeat until death timers are long enough to safely mid boss after an urn. At what point do you need what carpet offers?
>>568178695Cute deadheads, yoshi is a faggot for not giving these two dialogue
For you anon, what was the most obvious turning point and clue that this game would just continue to decline in quality?For me I kind of wanted to say the 4 to 3 lane since I liked the 1v1's but it definitely needed to go simply due to matchups. So I'll pick vents, did it happen after the lane change? I don't remember, because that's two changes that make the map smaller. So yeah, vents were a mistake.
>>568179529im thinking of trying mcgunnis, which ability is qsr put on?
we NEED a green charge item like recharging rush is one on orange
Dr.Dynamo, I'm OSIC.
>>5681804481600spend 200 health to refill a charge on an ally's abilities
>>568180509
>>568180557>>568180509CRASHING THIS MATCH
>>568180375turrets
>>568178907Warden got nerfed
which characters can get pregnant
>>568180859
>>568180557>>568180509I never understood the partial BDSM design of Haze, the heels look off, give her some fed jackboots
What if the Urn didnt give souls?
>>568180859rem
>smurfing haze running an ult curse bullshit build>every 60s haze goes invisible so no one sees her, completely undetectedable>walks up to anyone anywhere because this game's map is dogshit si she gets to enter your jungle behind walker without consequence>sleep dagger so you can't do anything >curse, slowing hex, weighted bullets ult>an ult that, btw, gives her 14 bullet damage, with a passive that now gives her 27.2 weapon damage and does 114 spirit damage every 20 stacks so 4 times and slows you for 2 seconds because fuck you for trying to ever play the game nigger>in total mid and late game each bullet does 70 damage and she can fire 14 bullets a second not accounting for the firerate buff from ult, so basically you're eating a good 1000 damage every second not accounting for all the onhit effects >curse lasts for 3.25 seconds so she's basically guaranteed to do 3250 damage to youYeah nah totally fair, in fact I've seen enough yoshi, give 0.14 more stack damage, infact double her sleep dagger time and half her ult time, clearly this whore is weak as fuck, clearly, interaction in this game is overpowered and we simply just NEED more one sided rape ults where someone presses 4 and you die with 1 2 AND 3 being all "oh fuck i need to run" tools because CLEARLY we're not supposed to play and fight, CLEARLY we're just supposed to go in like FAGGOTS press FOUR and then FUCK OFF, HOW FUCKING FUN, REALLY AMAZING YOSHI YOU NIGGGGGGGGEEEEEERRRRRRRR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>bring back old urn deposit locations>keep the meleeing urn to pick it up mechanic>like before, you need to run the urn to the designated location. disadvantaged team has the urn spot closer to their base, just like before.>when you deposit the urn, a timer starts like how its working now. timer takes into account disadvantaged team, just like right now>HOWEVER instead of teams having to melee the urn to contest it, you now just have to stand in an area around it. if members of both teams are in the area, all countdowns are paused. countdowns only go down when only a single team's member(s) are in the areawould this fix the urn?
>>568181009Not that relevant in the deathball meta
>>568181009>enemy goes all in on pick off build>buy cheat death>walk awaypeople forget about the item but if you get it + stamina mastery (not even needed if you have a movement skill) then you can't be caught outit pretty much exists to counter pick off builds like this
>>568181078>>HOWEVER instead of teams having to melee the urn to contest it, you now just have to stand in an area around it. if members of both teams are in the area, all countdowns are paused. countdowns only go down when only a single team's member(s) are in the areaToo BROOL coded
>for an absolutely middling amount of damage you risk certain death melee builds are all meme shit. the melee items are only viable on heroes that have abilities that give them risk free melees, and even then the items are weak compared to their peers and any other build is going to do more damage without risking a 3 second stun + 30% extra damage taken. the parry schizo is right
>>568181231>walk aw- *gets cc'd until invincibility runs out*
>>568181231OHHHHHHHHHHH you just have to get your entire team to buy cheat death so their pick off build is invalidated, why didn't anyone think of that
>>568181397if they have enough CC to not only one sidedly rape you AND to keep you locked down during cheat death then you deserved to die because it means multiple people caught you>>568181514that's how items work yeah>but my retard teamquite literally unironically don't matter. you can't do anything about them and it's self sabotage to care what they do
THEYDOLOTSOFTHINGS
>>568181392I think they should ass more spells that scale with melee
>>568181231This is such a Reddit response
>>568181231>cheat deathLOL only worked for doorman
>>568181392the parry schizo is the guy that thinks everybody that dislikes parries and thinks melee is weak is the same person, though
>>568181749>>568181783i accept your concession ritualistsissy
>>568181783if's good if you're not shit at movement or have a movement ability (a fourth of the cast)doorman just had the most brain dead escape ability in the game so the average doorman player could rub enough braincells together to use it during cheat death
>>568181078>urn can't be capped until the entire team is dead and/or too stupid to fight urn"No!"
>Evasive, close range aggressor>remove his only escape option >forget he only has 2hpThis is gonna be rough
>>568181626
>Get MVP>Go up 3 rank tiersDamn it feels good to be a gangsta
>>568182016I hate to admit it but he was overnerfed. Actual F tier useless character right now.
>MVP is a m1gger 90% of the time because they can get top stats with minimal effortI miss spirit meta
>>568182131as opposed to?no hero in this game takes skill
>>568182131Just play spirit Victor bro
>>568182016Riposte should have stayed as it was but not moved him when he was slowing hexed. Turning it into a targeted ability rapes his kit.
Holliday rework idea:give headshot and lasso chargesthoughts?
>>568182131It's literally a spirit meta right now because you have to fight early and often and you need aoeslop. M1ggers might still get top damage but they're not deciding the outcome of a game, unless they're Wraith or Seven who get to be m1ggers and have aoeslop.
>>568182131>He doesn't know that it's a spirit meta nowWhoever has the best AOEslop and ults wins every urn brool
>>568182131MVP goes to whoever shits the most aoe damage onto the urn dropoff.
>>568182320>lasso chargesI already rape people everytime lasso is off cd. insanity>headshotmakes her kit make more sense but a deeper rework would be better30 sec cd 1.1 single target nuke. it's probably the shittiest damage ability in the game
>>568179529I can guess that you're not gonna reveal the rank of this game because you're a faggot bitch
Instead of souls the urn should give the team buffs for a limited amount of time insteadThoughts?
>>568161723drifter with gun buff mogs everyone
>>568182320Crackshot should be dead eye from RDR, you hold the button down and place marks on targets and then Holliday automatically fires at those marks, with bonus damage on headshots still.
>>568182549>Make urn like a baby midbossFuck off
>>568182097It felt so good to fuck over that wraith at the very end
>>568182538It's the green one
I hate the Doorman change so much. He should be able to run away using doors. That's like half the character. Its one of the best visuals in the damn game, him dashing into a door and closing it behind him. It was so perfectly cartoony. Being able to overextend was the character's whole thing. Fucking nerf the bell to the ground, nerf the ult just give me my fucking door back
>>568182690Thats just mcree ult retard
Heres an ideaRemove the bufferDoorman can instantly close the door but they dont disappearThey linger for 2-3 seconds and the enemy can heavy melee it to open it and go through
>>568182881Yeah she should have it then
>>568182868You will play Bellboy, and you will like it
>>568182097>>568182293If escaping with riposte was too powerful than the fix was simple, just make it so the T1 CD reduction only happens on player stun. That way its available less often as an escape tool, but still gets more use on enemy players. I could handle it not triggering on guardians, but just letting auras and hazards go on is lame. That said, it seems like Yoshi might never have envisioned it being used like that, and just wants the interaction of block->stun. Even if Apollos stats could support that playstyle, the ability is awkward as fuck to use now, the reticle obscures your target and there's barely any time to use the dash. Honestly if thats the goal ilId rather the just make Apollos parry special in some way and are 2 into a whole new ability because this is dogshit.
>>568182763>>568182549I didn't know it was a setting to show average team rating, is it normal for games to bounce between Ritualist IV and Seeker I?
>>568180859Silver, but she probably shouldn't
>my entire match history is red>nothing but retards brooling in mid all game, with all sidelanes pushed and losing walkers before minute 15I am seriously considering uninstalling this shit until a patch comes out that says "we removed the urn" No other patch in this game so far has made me lose my sanity and wanting to strangle people over the screen
>>568181231I'll keep that inmind for the future, but considering the many castrations that happened to doorman this whore is getting away for free, i hate this kind of dogshit design where someone else gets to play a different game, with zero interactivity for FREE and win for it, it's why everyone hates dynamo's ult if you're hit with it you get to do nothing for a while
>>568183246Just wait like two more days
>>568182690my favorite ideaguy post for a crackshot rework was the idea to make it into counterspell but you have to shoot the spell out of the air to counter it
>>568183258It's really fascinating how the devs clearly have favorites How come Haze and Seven never receive significant nerfs?
Free rank boosting strat>Pick Graves>Only unlock abilities but don't upgrade them>Buy cooldown and duration first, apply to ult>You will have 3 upgrade points by the time you can unlock ult>Instantly upgrade ult twice(first upgrade lowers cooldown, second upgrade increases duration and zombie run speed)>Next rush max upgrade on your S2>Spam it off cooldown no matter what is going on>Spam it if you're in lane>Especially spam it if you're farming jg so the zombies help you clear the camp you're at before they wander into the nearest lane and start to push it>Path your jg clear or rotation so you are at a friendly guardian/walker right when your ult cooldown ends so you can put it down again immediately>Core items: Transcendent Cooldown, Superior Duration, Refresher, Enduring Speed(so you rotate even faster)You can single handedly pressure all 3 lanes at once. Max tier S2 letting you spawn two zombies every 10~ seconds or so(with cooldown reduction) which automatically path to the nearest lane and push it + mashing your ult wherever a push opportunity shows up("saving" it only when urn is imminent) Utterly disgusting playstyle but I've pulled off several>Ult mid bridge when someone picks up urn>S2 so there's a bigger mass of zombies>Immediately go to yellow or green, whichever is better>Ram ranch straight through enemy walker, base guardians and half hp their shrine while team secures urnRequirements: have enough of a brain to know how to path jg clear and recognize when an opportunity to gigapush appears. That's it. Top objective damage every single match guaranteed and more often than not
>>568164285Yoshi wanted to make sure no one could ring the alarm bells before dropping the worst patch in midlock history
>>568183556kill yourself
>>568183530Sorry chuddy Seven has only been S tier for an entire year we need more time to gather data>>568183556Cant wait for the next Graves nerf, such a braindead shitter hero
>>568183556>be a useless 0 impact bumterriblethis is just no utility rem
>>568183558This is the kind of patch they dont put in the secret serverThis is the kind of patch they rawdog the playerbase withThe secret club gets the new heroes, remodels, and pve modeWe get our nails torn out
>>568183556alternatively, just build a normal spirit/hybrid graves build and permarape urn while using your ult to push a lane
>>568183556P.S. forgot to add but outside of the core items I listed you just build all the obvious Graves shit you want, the main thing is contorting your playstyle/itemization/pathing to flood the map with zombies>>568183647>>568183698Whoops I just killed one of your shrines while you were brawling mid
spells not having mana makes this game easy
>street brawl>people break off from fights at full hp inexplicablywhat the fuck else is there to do why are brawl players so fucking retarded
>>568183758Solokilling both yellow/green walkers and yellow/green base guardians while ult squats on urn dropoff is 0 impactMacrolet>>568183803
>>568183556I do this exact same strat on Sinclair.
>>568183872it makes the game actually fun
>>568184016yeah just like rem who was a useless dead weight until his heal got giga buffedgraves isn't new. people have already been doing this. it's shitthe map presence is okay but it's not enough to excuse a spot on the team. building for tombstone is retarded because it already fulfills its job without dumping all your networth into a bonfire
>>568183556Ignore this guy if you want free ranks just play rem and spam your helpers onto troops. You can drool over the enemy team with the insane souls difference
>>568183220what happens to the fetus when she transforms
>>568183556Insane strat 100% win rate in initiate
>>568184253Her body devours it
STOPPICKINGYAMATO
>>568184336shantbeight
Im ready for the new heroes now, didn't care for any of the last batch aside from venator
>>568184253It turns into a werewolf and then turns back to normal when she does
>>568184336Just wait a couple weeks for the patch that rapes the hero to death and you'll get her every game and get to enjoy a 45% win rate
>>568161048I have a Doorman minor rework idea, posting it here so anons can review it/shit on it before I post to the forums and beg Yoshinigger to read it. Please give it a look-over and let me know how good/retarded you think it is>Doorman's gameplay fantasy is being a trickster who outsmarts and outmaneuvers people>Original sales pitch would have been along the lines of using his doors to attack from odd angles, sudden backline access, etc>Examples: While laning, you're crouching behind terrain to take cover but a door opens next to you and you get a bell to your face. During a front-to-back teamfight at blue walker Doorman pops out behind your team and ults your M1gger carry.>Actual door usage is exceedingly simple: perma-splitpushing and using doors to escape, or repeating the same kidnapper door setupI think the main issue is (pretty obviously) the ridiculous range on his doors.>Part of why the kidnapper playstyle is so hated for example is once he T3's his doors, a full 1/3rd of the map on his team's side is in range for a kidnap to spawn. He doesn't even need that many points invested to kidnap people to walker during early laning either.Proposal:1. Massively nerf the range on his doors but also massively reduce the cooldown. Like, multiple-casts-per-teamfight kind of cooldown.2. In addition, his bells and cart get their damage boosted, but ONLY if they go through a door (maybe his M1 too)This would hopefully shift him into a proper "if you don't have 1000 hours on him you'll have no idea how to properly pilot him" hero like the trickster archetype demands. A shitter Doorman can't just spam the same gimmicks(either being an uncatchable splitpusher or repeating the kidnapper combo that you can learn from a 2 minute Youtube guide) while a really good Doorman player would be able to leverage rapid door casts to mindfuck people, land boosted bells/carts from unusual angles, and generally fulfill the gameplay fantasy of being a minor trickster deity.
>>568183220she actually has a canine reproductive system and genitalia so she can't get pregnant from human sperm (this is canon)
>>568184253If I were you, I'd be more worried about what happens to it when she goes out to the bottle shop
>>568163003I was building Magic Carpet before the buffs and now I don't wanna.The hard life of being a contrarian...
>>568183556>S2 letting you spawn two zombies every 10~ seconds or so20s retard>muh free rank boostingShe's not mcginnis retard, kys.
>>568184336what if i queue as gun yamato (70 orange 30 green sometimes 80/20)
>>568184507I think lower door cd and range is a neat little experiment for a month or twoBut without the range utility you should buff it moreLike a stronger shield for allies and maybe damaging enemies that go through
is eded tu bloo the most iconic voice line
>>568184507I like itthe real reason the doors are used in such a one dimensional way is that people are retarded chimps and you can't wrangle a monkey through a hotel door. until competition standards go way up I don't think we'll see anyone push the limits on door uselow cd, low range doors would be a cool change to experiment with
>>568184513that's untrue and sad
>>568182071I miss old deadlock
>>568184507I actually really like this idea.>>568184671>damaging enemies that go throughThis is also really neat, and keeps kidnaps damaging even if you're unable to send them to Walker or Spawn.
>>568173085pressing backward slows momentumletting go of forward gains momentumlearn to turn and let go of forward to curve your jumpswall bouncing with directional input also gains momentum (holding the direction gains momentum)the 1st wall bounce is free subsequent cost staminafuck corner boosting!most of all practice practice practice!
>add aram mode>retards who want to turn their brain off can self filter into a separate matchmaking pool>now let's turn standard into aram too????????
If the Urn is supposed to be a comeback mechanic, why is the winning team allowed to start an urn run in the first place? Seems like a very basic oversight from the devs.
Play Wraith
>>568184701Yes drifter is the voice of deadlock
>add aram mode>it's not actually aram because you can select your hero>tryhards run the most meta heroes and turn the for fun mode into a chore
>>568185423Uhhhh doorman???
>>568185156i literally always forget about walljumping in game, Im too focused on shooting and abilities and cooldowns and then mid fight i faceplant into a wall and when i try to jump over it I just randomly bounce back in a direction AWAY from where I want to go. This game is aggravating with how many obstacles are just in the way 24/7 of where I want to go.
>>568183556I'm seeker btw
>>568185735deh can dry to fahgt bachk but it wount mader
Im in Phantom and I have no idea what the point of walljumping is.
Players are too retarded to look upAlways walljump
>>568185935Getting more vertical movement so you can climb on top of buildings, are you NA?
>>568185792once you use walljumps more you're gonna wish there were more obstacles
>play match enemy is a smurf>play a match and faggot DCs even though he's 4/8 and its very fucking winnable>play a match and two duo faggots suck off eachother instead of helping the tean>play a fucking match and it's not my mainYOSHI KILL YOURSELF
>>568161048I've been keeping track since Oracle 2, and I was Phantom 3 at one point. Out of the 48 games I had a silver on my team, I've lost 39 games.
Echo shard skulls is pussy shit. We echo shard grasping hands in here instead
>>568186148I dont get how people do it, every time I wall bounce to keep going in the same direction im headed I just bounce off at a random angle and lose all momentum, I just avoid touching walls at all because it feels like everything in this game is just getting in my way and ruining my speed.
Do you fags just leave the sewer shop through the tunnels like a cuck? Always double jump there.
>>568185869drifter RP posts always make me think of the webm of drifter sneaking around
>>568185389Sex with the choco ladies yes?
>>568185935zero stamina heightextending an air dash's travelgaining more momentumor just make yourself harder to hitjust try randomly bouncing around walls in the middle of a close range shootout and you'll see the effect immediately
>lane partner hard feeds>other lane hard feeds as well>enemy team goes full counter for me specifically for some reason>they dive me on fucking walker while team is doing camps>1/12 guy on team talking shitwhat is the appropriate response to this shit
>>568186621>what is the appropriate response to this shitStart running it down or go AFK
>New update: Players take 1% max hp damage every second for no reasonTHIS FUCKING SUCKS WHAT WERE THEY THINKING??!?!?!Retard: Dude we're the playtesters of course they're gonna try some experimental changes to gather data, if you don't like it don't play
>>568186901the retard is right though
>>568186621the instant someone comms and it's not an attempt to strategize i mute them
>>568186901That sounds kino thoughImagine if a damaging mist regularly carpeted the map
>yamato can just teleport to you through walls and instakill you
>>568186920Can you go stare into the sun as an experiment, we need you to gather data on it being a bad idea
>>568186621>Team is feeding, making them a non-issue>Enemy team reasonably uses their soul lead to counter the only threat left, which is you>They dive you on the objective because they know your team isn't going to make a difference, so once you're out of the picture the walker is 100% freeIt's unfortunate, but reasonable.
>>568186901>Dude we're the playtesters of course they're gonna try some experimental changes to gather data, if you don't like it don't play
Is this a normal ass seven build or was I the victim of a funny prank?
>>568187006at twenty minutes otherworldly fog rolls into the cursed apple that drain your health3 lanterns will spawn in each teams base. the lanterns will push back the fogyou can take the lanterns out onto the map and plant them down to create large areas free of fog. enemies can smash the lanterns to deny the enemy map control
>>568187225>>568187006We need random events that can happen, anything besides urn, walkers, and midboss
>>568187223the only bad item there is leech, i dont see the issue
>>568187223Pretty normal build except for stam mastery.
>>568187223what's wrong with it, besides the rapid recharge on a power surge build? Everything else is normal power surge build items and counter items (yeah the stamina mastery is weird but it's kinda a counter item)
>>568187042Is someone going to rebalance the sun so that it no longer blinds people? No? Stop trying to make metaphors and be a retard somewhere else.
>Wake up>No urn change revertedCMON YOU LAZY NIGGERS WE BOTH KNOW IT TAKES LITTLE EFFORT
>>568187035how?
>>568187452nvm i didn't notice the greater expansion, it's just a normal hybrid build then and the stamina is only thing off
>>568187042prehistoric play testers already did so I don't have to>nooooo don't eat that mold it'll make you sick>epically treats infections like a boss
>>568187225Unironically though just have a fog that's broken up by street lamps down the lanes and the you ward the jungle with lamps that break up the fog and give you vision
>>568187471The point is that some experiments you already know the conclusion to, making them redundant aka RETARDED (like u)
>>568187492Sorry, we're at the beach right now. I hope you also enjoy your memorial day :)
>>568187398>>568187434>>568187452Where does the damage come from lmao
>>568187492I highly doubt they're going to straight up revert it. My guess is that by the end of the week we'll have another patch that tweaks it somehow. Need to iterate on it a bit before completely giving up.
>>568187638At this point I may as well install overwatch, there's little difference now
>>568187667EE and his ult come on nigger
>>568187492>>568187702I think theyre going to revert the mid placement but keep the other mechanicsTheyll probably nerf the resistance too
>>568187583I just realized this is coming close to day/night cycles in dota
>>568187667He has like 20k investment in purple and 10k in orange, including EE which is one of the best pure damage items in the game. He's also on a character who gets a lot of power from his boons. I don't know if you're new to the game but turns out you don't need to invest 50k into damage items to deal damage
>>568187702There is no tweaking it, its a bad idea on its own and shouldn't have left the test version>Removes all macro>Makes the game very repetitive BRAWl every 5 minutes>Fucks over people who don't play AOE slop heroes (ignoring Yamato)>You lose urn, you also lose mid>THOSE RESISTS KEK
>>568162683Yes and just imagine how kino it'd be in Deadlock...
>>568187667EE + T3 ult is core lategame Seven (and unstop but I'm guessing he skipped that because your team had no CC). Spiritual Overflow juices his M1. The only damage item he's really missing is Boundless, I'd have replaced stamina mastery for that.
>>568187667Press 3 and shoot people to inflict toxic bullets, stack EE, and build up spiritual overflow, making your bullets/3 hit insanely hard. Press 1 to do some more damage and slow people. Press 4 over urn.
>>568187667>doesn't see gun damage % items and therefore doesn't understand where the damage comes frommmr assassin what are you doing in the thread? don't you have matches to ruin
>>568187583>>568187841Wait this sounds fucking kino. I mean it's more London than NY but still.
>>568161236>character who intentionally hurts himself to hurt others close to themdeepest lore
>>568187823I think reverting the placement is already going to go a long way towards making it better, yeah. I would also personally like it if they restructured the geometry around the side lane delivery points so they fit a teamfight better, them being against a pillar makes it kind of akward.>>568187861Ninety percent of your points can be fixed by tweaking it. And the macro impact of the urn was always there, the only difference is that people are actually playing around the urn in ranks below Ascendant now. I genuinely think a lot of the weirdness caused by this change comes from the fact that this makes the urn more "noticeable" and people are just realizing how important of an objective it is now, because the game puts a lot more emphasis on it. Also, we are the test version. Its because of people like you who don't comprehend it that they need to have a secret sub-test version to begin with
Speaking of EE is my only counter to just cleanse it or not get hit? The debuff duration is so long.
>>568188172You can also see E6/pro games are playing out completely differently because of where the urn is positioned + the resists on comeback urn, it's not purely that the game screams at you to pick up the urn, that the urn is being run, and to fight over the urn as it's being turned in.
Is bebop simply unplayable this patch? you'd think laser build would work with this fruity Urn meta but it's just useless, especialyl compared to Seven's ult which is objectively better for anything that isn't a 1v1
>>568188247Cleansing it is the best option, yeah, but even that is not that good. EE is a weird item because its almost uncounterable and really good but at the same time it kind of needs to be that way because its genuinely the only item that lets spirit characters do something past 30 minutes
>>568187225>>568187583>>568187841Kino. Idk what final form it will take but I just want it to combine the lamps, day/night, and silent hill fog concepts.Oh and can't forget the heavy melee. It's not deadlock if heavy melee isn't involved.
>>568186364I don't even enter the shop, I have helpers for that.
>>568187996didn't touched Silver for a month or so... She feels kinda dogshit to play now.
>>568166346>top damage>highest souls>great objective damage>great KDAYou're brown and retarded anon, I'm sorry but it's terminal.
>>568188349gun/spirit hybrid is okay still but trying to go full spirit is absolute garbage
>>568188432Go, my Chudlings, buy my->breaks one box then despawns
>>568188412Heavy melee to destroy enemy wards of course
>>568185290Every fucking match I've played this weeked was just aram affter minute 10I close my eyes and I see the fucking mid lane, I am so fucking sick and tired of this retarded patch
>>568188003Well this seven ruined my mmr by being on my team and having the least effective ults I've ever seen out of a seven and I'm just trying to figure out if its a build issue or if the seven is just a retard. Which I now know he's a retard.
>>568188349Bebop is literally 80% just hit hooks. The character will work if you hit hooks consistently. You can feed for like 80% of the match and hit a late game hook that single-handedly wins the entire thing. If you're below phantom build bomb or whatever, if you're phantom or above just keep using the gun build and play like a ganker-bruiser. But again, you need to hit your hooks. If you don't, you're better off playing anyone else.
>>568188474>does it again in 5 secondsand it's TWO boxes actually!
God I fucking love VenatorBACK MONSTER
>>568188510Hooks feel worthless in this aoe deathbrool meta
>>568188569hooks are at their strongest in deathball cuz you're most likely to have 5 people standing next to you so they can rape the guy you hook in
>>568188558BACK MONST->45% win rate
Add a time cycle like Bloodborne>Sunset>Twilight>Full moon>Blood moon
>>568188621>muh winrateYOUR WORDS WILL NOT SWAY ME FOR I AM FORTIFIED BY THE LORD HIMSELF
>>568188628kinoforums, NOW
>>568188680Why do the Lord's work if He has clearly left you out to dry
>>568188614If you hook the urn runner they drop the urn because it deals melee damage, you can hook people off the urn spot so they can't melee/parry, you can hook people up onto the bridge where your team is all spamming their ults, you can hook people running from your deathball.
>>568188729Even in times of famine, I know that he walks with me hand in hand.
Make the side lane the urn delivery spots again.BUT make it so that the ship dock opens up and the park gate opens up and they become the arenas people king of the hill on.Imagine.
Reminder that Yamatos grapple hook can be purged with debuff remover
>>568188729
>>568187064I wasn't even a threat, my lane partner feeding meant they just rolled the tower over and I couldn't even stay and lane janny/farm because again, there was 2-3 people diving me on walker.The one chance I had to start doing shit near mid game went to shit because they were already so far ahead.
>>568188814okay but it has chargesso she can insta repress it
Graves wr is already going back down in eternus lobbies. How long until the IQ trickles down to the pisslow subhumans who are whining that she's OP?
>>568188808Make the gates shut and start doing spawn room damage if the brool goes on for too long
>>568188808>BUT make it so that the ship dock opens up and the park gate opens up and they become the arenas people king of the hill on.kino
>>568188853bro is losing to a yamato that maxes grapple
>>568188861>How long until the IQ trickles down to the pisslow subhumans who are whining that she's OP?Lmao
>>568188853That's why you turn the corner
>>568188412>>568187583Day/night cycle every 10 minutes.Day: Normal deadlock but Drifter and Mina take 20% max HP damage per second while outside.Night: Dark fog rolls in that makes vision radius shrink to 60m (more than the distance between stairs in laning phase). Footsteps are louder as the city ambience "goes to sleep". Street lamps dotted around the map pierce through the fog, revealing everything around them. Heavy melee turns them on and off. Interiors are well lit, so you can see them from the outside.Drifter T3 ult also makes the entire map go into night mode, but otherwise stays the same.I think the biggest problem with night mode is that it would look kind of janky. Imagine being high above the map and you'd just see random patches of light while 80% of your FoV is dark outlines of the shapes of buildings.
>>568166346looks like you got carried hard by this miku and are mad cuz bad
>>568188953*see into them from the outside, I don't mean like you have xray vision. I'm just saying you can see if the Nursery T2 camp is being farmed from across the bridge.
>>568188349take the melee bebop pill
>>568188808Its not a bad idea, but i think you'd need secondary entrances to those areas that lead to each team's side. A single gate would turne everything into a chokepoint clusterfuck
>>568162451Going pillow Rem is not bad though, you can still heal a shit ton as long as you get boundless spirit and duration, you don't need anything else to make your heal better
>>568188808Post this one on the forums, they already have enough assets to make these into arenas pretty easily.
Would you guys be ok with the map being more interactible? Off the top of my head stuff like video game red barrels in places that explode and deal damage if shot enough, or maybe some indoor passages have doors which you have to heavy melee to open/close.Stuff that makes specific areas of the map play in different way other than just geometry
>>568188808You should actually post this to the forums, its a good idea. Or at least tell us that you're not posting so someone else does.
What if instead of an urn it's a spiritual computer and someone on your team has to complete a puzzle while being shot at/protected lol
>>568189438I love pointless mini games (so long as they're fun and well designed)the hyper competitive crowd would probably throw a fit unfortunatelythere should be a bunch of different kinds of sinner's sacrifices that make you do different mini games
7 minute queue times to hand you the most abysmal dog shit match you've ever seen
>>568187383COWER FOOLS, MERASMUS IS HERE
What is Yoshi cooking?
21 minutes into the match.0/4/0 with trophy collector
>>568190390you get assists for being in the same area code as a fightimpressive in its own way
>>568190648someone on the enemy team needs to actually die in the first place
>player on my team suggests that matchmaking is bad>a butthurt player points out his kdr>as if a bad player being in a lobby unsuited for him is somehow a "gotcha"gamers are braindead
>>568190359crashing this game, with no survivors
how the fuck do russians even connect to NA servers i though the government sanctioned them for the war and most of them were dead already
>>568191031There is a server selection thing you can downloadAlso apparently most of the people fighting are 40 year olds, mercs or minorities. I'm not a slav though so maybe this is just copium that they won't get drafted.
>>568191031>most of them were dead alreadyWho? Retards who wanted easy money or prisoners who wanted "get out of jail for free" card?There are no average Ivans at the frontline.>>568191190>There is a server selection thing you can downloadWe have a lot of amazon and cloudflare servers blocked so sometimes people use these tools to block bad servers from the matchmaking. Otherwise you may not even connect to the actual match in other games. I think it's common in HUNT
>>568191528no wonder the war's taking so long if they're not even sending that many people
So, other than Ixians, what other races are out there in the other dimension?
>>568161048holliday is too flat for a cowgirl
>>568191748Not to derail the thread, but shredding your youth population in a worthless war would be national suicide. Makes sense if they're sending prisoners or undesireables insteadI fucking wish they did it however because interacting with these fucks in vidya have made me despise them. 9/10 when someone's griefing its a russian with a stick up his ass perma typing cyrlic or deepthroating his mic.
>Go solo from Ritualist 6/* downward>Win 3 games in a row - no promotion>Lose 1 game - lose 2 ranks>Play in a stack - get maybe 1 # increase per 3 wins, lose 1-2 # for every loss>only person in stack who went unchanged was the "im buying meta and farming all match, everyone else get the CC we need"Who is holding Yoshi's testicles hostage for this absolute dogshit rework to MMR?
>>568192414partyniggers are the most dishonest of all and deserve this and more
>>568192062Whatever the fuck Vyper is, also technically Ivy if you assume she can procreate after "coming to life"
>>568192486>AIIIIIE NO, YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO HAVE FRIENDS AND TALK ON COMMS>ITS A SUPER CEREAL GAMEEEEE
>URN BROOL music sounds>time to take a look at whats going on mid!>8 graves zombies and skulls floating around>4 miniturrets>billy just standing on the top of the bridge not movinggreat
I don't know if I was ever truly happy with ANY iteration of the urn.
>victor goes 0/14I really like this game it's a shame im not allowed to play it
>>568193212stop playing victor then
please just let us leave safely if we have holliday
>>568193321I'm not playing victor I'm playing rem dingus
>>568192608shes a gorgon
What ethnicity is Shiv?
>>568194057sun wukong
>>568194057Brazil (monke)
>>568194057hes just a guy with a bad sunburn
>>568194057Greaser
>>568192608>also technically Ivy if you assume she can procreate after "coming to life"I will put it to the test
>>568194001>gorgon>throws bolaslol love cheesy jokes like this :)
>>568194547Gorgon's gonna gorgon, you know what I'm saying?
Abrams is stupid good at securing urn.>AOEslop aura>shoulder charge fucks off everyone trying to heavy melee it>AOE ult stunLike what the fuck
so what happens if the urn changes aren't reverted this week? any other good f2p shooters?
>>568193076The one before this was betterIt spread fights out into different parts of the map and worked better as a comeback mechanic because the Urn being nearly right outside your base makes it easier to get as a loser than some shitty damage resistance.>>568190359He dropped a very experimental update, which is all well and good in a beta test.The real issue was doing so right before memorial day weekend so everyone I know has just taken a break from the game until this shit is undone in a real capacity.One of them even uninstalled the game because he had an 8 game losing steak because all the characters he played before got directly or indirectly nerfed into a fucking crater.
>>568194784Marvel Rivals
>>568194634he is named after a tank yeah
>>568194634Abrams and Yamato also have built in unstoppable in their ults and are crazy good for contesting urn and midboss
>>568194057Chinese
>some retard feeds grey talon>the entire game becomes unfun because this overtuned piece of shit will be chucking 800 damage your way every 0.7s 15m into the game now
So what exactly do I do as Silver in a teamfight?She's good at making picks in the sidelane but her ult ends up being a crazy win more ability not even including the reset at T3If the game is even or god forbid unfavorable you gain the ability to maybe survive being dove by the skin of your teeth
what can I even do when half of my team doesn't even come to try and contest the first urn? just give up and lose the game?
>>568195723Uninstall and hope they revert the urn changes today or tomorrow
where does the majority of yamato's damage come from? her 1?
POV: you are on urn bridge
>>568195807yeah that thing can do 1k+ damage
>>568195807its the only ability that does damage wtf do you think
>>568195970>>568196067I think I worded it wrong, I was referring more to her damage output throughout a fight rather than a single instance. So would her m1/m2 and melees do more or less than the amount of 1's she can get off?
>>568196360
>>568196861gotcha, so it's 1 or nothing
>feeding retard with 700 hours calls grey talon a hacker for detonating his traps early>in high phantomWhy are these retards on my team every single game?
This patch has really helped me learn to HATE Rem.
>>568197218High phantom is true hell eloAll the smurfs end up here after 20ish games I wanna kms.
I'm really bad at aiming. I have never and will never buy Mystic Shot.
>>568197251they do lots of AAAACK
yamato chungus with nigger steroid ultimate bkb refreshing on kill +resistancds +cd reduction yeah i jjst jizzed all over my screen oh mygooddddd i just grappled im gonna grooooooopplllee im groooooplling and pressed 1, no the hitbox isnt as big as sudan its a skillshot bro trust me
6am games are some shit
>>568197468retard
>>568191031Ukrainians are the ones forcefully drafting everyone, zigland have enough impoverished villages they can farm for manpower. Meaning you still get the Moscow IT support workers jumping over the EU cesspit they already ruined.
I'm getting mildly sick of these AoE bridge brools
graves still sucks/always was good
>>568197353Eternus 6 smurf not getting their free 30/0/30 calling you shitlow because wow there are two smurfs on the enemy team fucking this match up, and of course since it's a smurf they have no qualms throwing the match at a whim.
as long as dispel magic exists (super cheap self-purge), then slowing hex and disarming hex will remain as the two worst items in the game
>spirit snatch off yamato's 2 triggers spellbreaker and puts it on cooldown for when she uses power slashJust delete spellbreaker at this point
>>568197495>Majestic Leap YamatoAre you healthy
How the fuck do i have fun wih ths game?>lanign phase is even more retarded than a moba>heroes are carbon copies of already boring counterparts in other hero shooters>fights are either gun aimbots or completely unreadable aoe abilites>a million objectives, none of them coherent>zero tonal consistency in the world or the mapPeople actually think this will be a thing? This game os DOA.
>>568197495 the losing team was 96k behind and only had four T4 items in total. Brutal
>>568199212964k to be accurate
Why cant i select one champ only? Im not interested in the other oens.
>>568198087Go rat instead then
>>568199154you can just go back to midwit rivals
>>568199256>new patch is so bad you get to be one million souls behind at 30 minutesGrim...
>>568199274>champ
>>568199331I dont paly chinese bitcoin miners
Farmsloppers are fine this patch despite the urn brooling. They just have to farm faster. Only a few select elites can farm fast enough to adapt to the faster pace though.
They slipped up when they buffed Power Slash, an ability that was not at all lacking in damage. This shows that they are intentionally making certain characters overpowered just to have their goycattle playerbase keep playing in hopes of the ''Next Patch™©'' finally fixing the game and bringing true balance, something that is not at all the intention of the developers.
>quick glance at the current female rooster>immediadtly identify the wolf, the vampire and the sniper as the prime waifu materialHow far off am i? Not far, i recon, lol
Most Graves metacucks I've sene just feed horribly because the meta build in top daily does not have any greens. Based fucking psyop.
How many of you have people on mic in your games? I only had them in one game, which is odd.
>Abrams sucks>Billy sucks and is weak overall>Dynamo is OP and banned>Lash is fun with spirit but sucks unless you build the faggy gun meta>Warden sucks unless you’re very fed>Victor sucksWho do I play
>>568200404>Abrams sucks>Billy sucks and is weak overallNone of this is trueI don't think they're OP, but neither are they bad.
>>568200404Paige
>>568199950You missed one
>>568199950La Creatura has a decent following.
every time i click a stream on deadlock after the patch, its:>guy streaming is cracked and absolutely farms some dumbass in lane>already like 10-15k ahead in souls by 10m>around 12m an urn fight happens and his team loses>behind team is now even, or even ahead and they can do mid boss for even more soulsis this normal? i haven't played the patch yet but this is kusoge tier, even the old urn wasn't this bad
turkish niggers are the only monkeys that make russians look remotely intelligent. guaranteed to go 0-15 and this stretches back to the day dota 2 launched.
>>568199735a small buff would've been nicenow everyone is just whining about yammy
>>568199154don't mind the other retard with stockholm syndromeunironically the only TRUE way to have fun in this game is the same as any other moba. you either extract it from trying new wacky shit and interactions (which either work and will be patched out as the game gets older and or don't and just have you steamrolled) or you get it from making other people suffer, be it the enemy or your own teammates.the only other way is getting a 6 stack of people willing to throw themselves into unemployment for the sake of being consistently good at this game, and i guarantee that while it might be fun it'll lead to a LOT of infighting and butthurt as well.
>>568199950Something is missing here...
>>568199154>How the fuck do i have fun wih ths game?You don't. Go back to whatever goyslop you were doing before this.
The HQ of Valve has asked us toDisclose our over powered crimes to youWe were bad, but now we're goodWe're moving into your neighborhoodYou know we're trying our best to beFunctioning members of societyWe're not here to start no troubleWe're legally required to do the Overpowered Shuffle
valve doesn't have any real game developers left and has been using AI code slop while doing these updates and using yoshi as a fake person with a fake team
Sinclair is good this patch?
this game has such a shit community that it's impossible to get a stack together to ever actually deal with how shit the matchmaking is. so fun. such a valuable use of time.
>>568201315retard
>>568202621THE NAME IS VYPER, DONT HAVE A LAST NAMEYOULL SEE ME SLIDING THROUGH MOST GAMESWHAT I DO IS NOT TOO KINDBUT IM A NICE GAL YOULL COME TO FINDIVE GOT A BACKYARD AND A REAL NICE POOLYALL SHOULD COME OVER FOR A BARBECUECRACK OPEN A BEER, CHILLED TO BELOW ZEROBUT DO KEEP IN MIND, IM AN OVER POWERED HERO
>>568203078Any character that was good contesting mid is automatically good contesting urn, so yes.
>>568203213>always thought vyper was OP but dismissed it as a few dedicated vyper spammers>one day with no changes out of the blue shes giga metayeah fuck the snake.
>>568203213Billy the GOAT is my nameMy battery arrest is what brought me fameBut there's much more to know about meI love to dance and I love to skiI zip and zoom on through the transit linesJust strap on my heavy, and make them dieBut I can't ski until NovemberTil then, I'm just a OP offender
Ruhsez uh redUhhhEdded to blu
>>568203749People just don't really want to play the ugly characters, a bunch of them are strong to OP if you learn the character.
>>568199274>Chump
can we expect the two heroes with echo slam and ravage to be released this August?
>>568203768I'm Darcy Graves, dropping rhymesI've been nerfed over seven timesI know that sounds like a lotThree of those times were for destorying BebopI feel real bad I got caughtI might do it again, probably notBut I'm not here to make pretenseI'm here to continue to make Over powered offences
People need to learn to ignore the urn if its a shit fight again.My team keeps sending it to die to maybe get a chance of securing the urn instead.
>>568204296>Earthshitter in deadlockgod please no
>>568204167>Lash here and I'm number one>NOT Apologizing for what I've done>In case you're wondering what that was>I used majestic leap, grappled INTO a ez 6 man death sla--->....>I'm not here to eat no truffles>I'm just here to do the Sex Offender Shuffle
>>568194784Team Fortress 2
>>568204296Isn't ravage just a dynamo stomp in a circle? Also earthshatter would be really funny with a base defense, I think you'd genuinely oneshot everyone.
>>568204606I've had some miraculous urn steals which is fun, reminds me of the old Mid Boss with only 1 rejuv crystal. But yeah, most of the time it's just no worth it.
>>568204323Okay real quick, I'm not like these people, okayThis is an extortion plot by down players, who dont even play the heroAnd she hasnt deserved any of the nerfs, and if-...I'm not here to bust no bubble....I'm just here to do the Over powered Shuffle
>>568204778i wouldn't say that when a new server crash bug was recently discovered
>>568204906now that I think about it, infernus ult is kinda ravage but worsebut we still have no hero that benefits from hitting multiple heroes at once with an ability like echo slam
>>568184507Enhanced damage through doors is a really nice addition, and shorter range / lower cooldown.The luggage cart is a fun ability to use but if it let him be balanced better around not just kidnap setups then I'd happily see it gone.
>>568205017Okay fuck you, made me giggle anon. I can tell you're a REAL downplayer by not including pocket!!!
@yoshi I know you're here, hear me outWhat if Sticky Bomb and Hyperbeam switched places, sticky bomb becoming the ult and hyperbeam a shorter active duration basic abilityThe upgrade tree would be completely reworked so all 3 boon choices give something new to fit the new identity of the ability
>>568205532>what if>really shit ideaBebop needs a full rework to fit into how the game is now and fit being a 1940s pit fighter.
>>568205691>pit fighter>bombs and lasersWhy not make use of his giant left spiky metal arm, are valve devs usually this retarded
>>568205691This, it's obvious that his kit is just a 1 to 1 port of whatever he was in Neon Prime>Uppercut needs a rework>Hook can stay as is>Bombs should go>Hyeprbeam should go
>>568205532WHAT IF BOMBS JUST DIDN'T SUCKWHAT IF I WASN'T PUNISHED EVERYTIME I TRY TO BUILD BOMBOPI WANT TO BUILD SPIRIT AND NOT JUST BE AN ULTBOTI WANNA HIT SICK HOOKS AND MAKE PEOPLE EXPLODEYOUVE ADDED A BILLION REACTIVE BARRIERS AND REACTIVE UNSTOPSYOUVE ADDED A BILLION WAYS TO DISPELL BOMBFUCK YOU @YOSHI
>>568204296Zeus ult
>>568205845bwo your uppercut? your first ability?
yoshi when the character who has put every single soul into buffing spirit does 300 in one hitNERF THIS NIGGER INTO THE DIRTyoshi when the character who has put every single soul into buffing gun does 300 in 1 secondwe must buff gun at once
>>568204296abrams is one balance patch away from his ult being echo slam, but they're afraid of making it impactful outside of buffing himself
They should add Hoodwink in the next patch
Give Lash a steel chair
>>568206295Add Willow instead
>>568206287desu I kind of want Abrams after the slam to go punch mode for a bit, kinda like a transformation where his m1's are melees but after experiencing silver I don't know if that would be fun at all for anyone but Abrams. Honestly just unnerf his fucking gun idk what they changed about it but it feels so weak compared to pre-spirit Abrams changes.
just found out you cant use uppercut while sliding, any other ability like that?
magic carpet celeste is calling to me but i can't schmoove or play celeste in general...
>>568207014Rework his entire kit to be melee focused. The passive change was a good start but it needs more.
>>568207281>stack spirit>spam 3>pop 2 and bhop in>mash all your buttons>win
>>5681409604/5 games is just trading the world's biggest retards around and whoever has them gets to lose that game. That remaining game is really, really fun, relatively close, and usually feels good win or lose. I've found that as long as nobody on my team is feeding like crazy the game is always winnable with good comms. If you have a single cunt dying 10+ times the game becomes borderline impossible because someone on the other team is super fed and you're constantly short a man for objectives. But if nobody is dying... It's fine. Your team doesn't have to be good, no crazy plays, mediocre itemization, literally nothing matters as long as they farm and avoid dying, and listen to calls for objectives and pushes.
>>568207281I'm scared to play her in standard but every time I've played her in brool I've gotten good results (40k+ healing, most objective damage, player damage, etc) even though I don't know movement for shit, I only recently, kind of, figured out bunnyhopping (I can only do it once and that's with the momentum boost from a zipline or vent)
>>568140960>supportsThat's why, unless you know a meme carry build you can go to deadlift these motherfuckers you're not winning those playing as an enabler when teammates are wet noodles and even if you try to build a "carry" support you're on a timer to end the game before real enemy carries come online.
>graves is so OP>you suck graves>just hold m1 so much skillwhy did they spam disarming hex against me I was full spirit graves my gun wasn't even doing enough damage to trigger recharging rush
>>568208010>16% of your total
>>568207180Bullet Dance :^)
>>568203206good argument anon. mind telling me, what do you find fun in this game?
In my rational moments I understand games ebb and flow and I am the only constantBut manWhen I open the scoreboard and see some asshole on my team going 1/7 on a carry, it really is easy to forget that fact
>people still aren't buying dispel magic every gamewhy
>>568209865The guide doesn't recommend it
>Ult is removed from the game by moving in one direction for around 1 second or pressing shift >Nobody is ever clumped up anyway because the fighting spaces on the map are huge>3 can be countered by pressing the shift button >1 does no damage >2 is the only good spell>Gun is fucking atrocious and the hero is clearly meant to be a caster but the only good build is with her gunI really love the hero design but my god this hero is fucking awful. The only people she's good against are blind and/or retarded and can't press the shift button
>>568209865You *technically* don't need it every game so >>568210047 leading to noone buying it in intermediate mmr.
>>568210054if only there was an objective every five minutes that forced people to group up
>build has curse as core item>no one buys metal skin until it's too late making it not worth buying
>>568178481There are a number of characters that could be deleted to improve the game, but Icefrog would never admit that he or his compatriots fucked up that badly.Deleting Victor, Celeste, Graves, Doorman, Silver, and Apollo would immediately improve the game.
>>568210820I genuinely do not mind Apollo, and I'm willing to suffer Doorman just because of doors being interesting.
>>568209865I like letting my enemy have fun, its gay and retarded the dispel magic just invalidates some builds entirely
>>568207014They hit his gun with like six repeat nerfs and then the recent scaling just fucked it completely since at the same time they also lowered the bonus damage from 5.5 to 4.5 to 3 to 1.5Meanwhile pocket throws his fucking cloak 2000 miles away, gets one billion dps and then teleports away before getting punished for over extending.
>enemy lash goes 40-5 in a 25 minute gamelow prio queue is pretty interesting so far
>>568209808Consider the following; They're a carry and if the enemy team knows they're good they will autisticly chase them down and you need to help them. With that said 99% of the time it's because they're an ape brained retard but you got to use your brain and figure out if their statline is really their fault or because of extreme focus.
one simple line of text assures spirit bebop will remain D tier forever
I want to play shiv but i am e5 and only have 50% chance of getting him :(
What's the best gun item to buy on Miku if you're going turrets/ult for urn brool? I feel like even with monster rounds I'm incapable of farming or clearing lanes late game because the creeps delete my turrets.
>>568211605tesla+titanic
>>568211473why do people keep drawing my flat trashqueen with huge tumors on her chest?
You guys agree that Hunters Aura is now the worst item in the game since you will never find an isolated target? the game is 6v6 brool starting from minute 10 so you never get the double bonuses of it, and the single bonus is not worth 3200
>>568210751Curse isn't specifically for metal skin it's so the enemy can't fight back during your kill timer. Curse + Superior duration makes you kill everyone unless they have high debuff resist + frenzy + plated, which needs at least three t4's to counter your singular t4.
>>568211978so troons have no chance of claiming her
GRAVES
>>568211987It's a support item you plop on a frontliner for an aura debuff.>>568212019You can use slowing or silence for that since they're cheaper and you're better off with other items like warpstone to chase without gimping the damage (I know it's barely anything). I'm not eternus but in pisslow it just works not building curse until late-late. I usually just get ricochet as my 6.4k and the game is over by that point and if it goes longer I transition into being raw damage instead of a pick character. I'll prob start buying curse if going against better players but right now it just feels a waste.
>>568211987I'm building hunters aura and brs at the same time and charging four of the enemy team as abrams I don't give a gaf.
>>568211202>be me THE LASH>call my ungrateful teammates NIGGERS like they FUCKING ARE>get sent to low prio with RUSSOID SUBHUMANS using cheats/hacks and other tools of their trade>doesn't even matter I get to smurf for freet. the Lash probably
>>568212407she looks like she fucks ixian men
>>568212407>love the design>love the archetype>don't care for the kitIt's not fair...
>>568210054>saying this in the aoe slop everyone stand on midbridge metashut the fuck up just cause you can't run the urn for free anymore in 10 seconds you're whining
weakening headshot early is pretty good now that it boosts farm speed
>yamshitter thinks shes free to hook around as she pleases and do 800 damage slashes>walk to the teammate shes hooking to>shotgun her into a wall>unload into her skull>pitifully parries as the last sliver of her healthbar melts away
>reinstall the game>go on a 8 game winstreak>feel absolutely nothingidk what they did but it's missing the magic the game had before 3 lanes
>>568213396*gets dived by entire enemy team later on and loses the game*Venator gaming
>>568213829they hate to see a whiteboy with a little motion
>>568161048Kys self inserter
>>568213932who are you talking to schizo-san
That's it I'm drawing victor and graves fucking today I had a dream
>>568211978She has to feed her werewolf pups somehow
I penis cardoor in slammed
>>568214835put an icepack on it to help with the bruising
>>568214728Victor belongs to Mina though.
>>568200404>>Victor sucks55%-52% (E6) winrate btw and both gun and spirit are viable right now
Is jar of the dead actually good now?
>>568215056That solves the cardoor but what about my penis?
>>568215284just bee yourself
>>568215224Yes.Deadheads actually attack instead floating around doing nothing half the time.before they wouldnt do jackshit unless I was M1ing.
is yoshifrog ever going to tweak the soul deny systemfeels like it means nothing atm
>>568215419idk bro they kinda still die in one meleethey're annoying but they all still just attack at the same time and have like 5hp. you'll get one good hit tops unless you throw them in the AOE spamfiesta broolparade every 5 minutes in mid, then you'll get two.i guess they work as a tool for securing kills?
>>568215074Victor belongs to everyone he's my little bicycle
i think i will disrespect my free time and queue some standard today
>>568215836In my games, if you build for spirit, you can shit out 10 heads with echo shard and they just shred, especially if you're smart with your root ability that shits out 1 zombie or 2 at T3.Melee still breaks them but its pretty inconsistent when they're swarming you and in team fights.Another thing is their tenacity.I've had deads heads follow players all the way from mid bridge to their spawn.
>>568216212you forgot the image
>>568195546What mina is supposed to dot? She turned into one of the worst picks over night and i'm not talking about her nerfs. Played her for months and now it's the worst fucking time to main her. But at least meta slave faggots are gone and her pickrate is in 30%s>urn gets deposited>you use most of your fucking stamina to punch urn in time>get raped in aoe slop and get ouf of the bridge with 20% hp left thanks to your bats>paradox swaps you aoe slop finishes the job>even if you manage to get away from the high ground, you are slowed to like 10% of your run speed and stray bullet will finish you off>urn gets flipped by enemy team anywayI understand that this is a testing phase but for gods sake, do these retards playtest whatever shit they are vomiting onto us? Who approves this shit? it doesn't take a genius to realize that this urn mechanic is not it
love smiting sinners with venator
>>568215836I've played a few games as and against echo skulls Graves now, I think it's decent, the skulls get good damage off with heroic aura + staggering them a little and if someone is stunned or is distracted in a teamfight they'll chunk their HP, and with new urn you actually have a spot on the map you can zone people off of properly. From what I've seen it's viable in Eternus as well though they seem to prefer double wall gun build.
can you tell all my teammates were russian
>>568216540Cry me a river faggotBOO HOO I'M NOT S+++++ TIER ONESHOTTING PEOPLEShe's still broken and the fact you're bitching is a self expose.
Why do people think the game is balanced around eternus?Did you forget the bell curve?
>>568216775>Did you forget the bell curve?The devs sure did
>>568216540oh no Mina is bad after a year of being completely busted how could this happen
>every single game is decided by whoever gets kelvin and/or victornice game deadcocks
>>568216749show me on this teddy bear where mina touched you
>>568216540Going to play her she's def still good though the negative debuff res is retarded and I'd prefer longer CD on the dash.
>>568216540>press Q>win teamfight>win urn>winwhat are you bitching about?
>>568216540>you use most of your fucking stamina to punch urn in timeAre you fucking retarded? Why would you partake in the burgerbox if urn as a squishy character? That's the job of your team's Frontline, while the bullshit happens you shot and ult to create space at distance >B-but we will lose urn Losing urn but getting 3-4 kills is 100% worth it
>>568216540Your hero has been insanely privileged and completely broken for a full year and was given slap on the wrist nerfs with the only reason she's "bad" right now is the meta preferring aoe slop kill yourself NOW NOW NOW NOW
>>568217341She is still good if you know how to play her and your mechanics are on point. Which makes watching people seethe over her ever funnier, you just know they are in seeker.
>>568217883Oh I know, she became my most played despite having played since 2024. I still think rake's busted, teamwide silence is OP with non-animal teammates, and her dash is way too low CD but after spamming HV haze her slow ass bullets will take some getting used to again.
>>568216540Heaven forbid a hero be bad for 2 weeks before the next balance patch.
>>568217778dont fucking act as if you have this patch all figured out dont know about u but i'm in the process of limit testing and when i know im the closest one to the urn for whatever reason and it's either i flip it or we lose the 20min+ urn, you must be retarded to hand it over without trying>>568217879why don't you play her then? I swear every fucking time i see you fags bitch about mina in game and then i look at your statlocker, you either have 0 games on mina or all games you had you fucking fed and gave up. Baby mad over high skill ceiling hero, fuck off back to mcginnis cuck
>>568218235FUCKING KILL YOURSELF YOSHI FUCKING COMMIT SUICIDE YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER PIECE OF SHIT. BUFF MY HERO NOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW
>>568218235She's not even bad he's just playing Mina at Billy range and dying.>>568217879she's not bad, infact still quite good, also are you an Abrams player? I played Abrams into her for the first time and I can fully understand the seethe now.
>>568218243>process of limit testing>getting in the melee ungabunga as mina and doing nothing>hand it over without trying You are just giving a free kill and doing nothing because you have 0 awareness and capacitity for positioning. You are playing Mina, work on getting picks with your ult so your team can have a strong urn contest with a number advantage >High skill ceiling Clearly she's too high skill for you
>>568218243>why don't you play her thenBecause I don't want to play Mina? I'm not a meta slave? >high skill ceiling heroI don't care. Shiv is a high skill ceiling hero and should be raped to death for what he can pull off.
>"they do LOTS of things!">rapes all women
>>568218460>she's not badYeah I agree that's why it's in quotation marks. There's just better heroes for urn brooling.
>>568218523You also don't even need to build glass cannon (Not the Item) every game, it feels like people only build Mina one way instead of slotting in *some* utility when it's needed. I'm guilty of this though and am too afraid to experiment on her.>>568218750I totally blanked on the quotes around bad, disregard the post.
>>568200404nothing cause you are actually retarded just uninstall
New urn is fucking garbage. Every game devolves into tdm in mid. Just sit at mid and wait for urn.
>>568218910I started buildng spirit/weapon shielding + reactive barrier/counter spell every game now and it seems to be the way. I can contest urn now rather than give it away to enemy as the other retard suggest
>everyone on the enemy team is tracking next urn spawn and is ready for it>rest of your team won't leave their lane even when it's picked up
>>568219360it doesn't help that it spawns so often.I swear urn will capi'll go clear a wave and a campand it'll spawn again
Dunno if its recent patches or my MMR going high, and that people make use of more mechanics in a more meaningfull way, but playing the game feels incredibly retarded.Like you pick venator and go 20/2 in one game and feel utterly useless in the next one, despite playing the same players. It feels like their decision to leave everything overpowered with items as counterplay and counterplay for the counterplay is just nonsensical.I cant really enjoy getting permarotated with rusty weapon, disarm, silence, CC turbofuck comboBut if there is no CC turbofuck bulletreflect combo im just to broken.Cant they just nerf the champs or something? The entire game is turning into completely antifun or hitlerstomp with nothing inbetween. Dont even let me get started on the parry
>>568219409Yeah barrier spam is def really strong on her, I've been considering foritude or maybe just extra health since you don't need the regen with rake in her kit though the movespeed is nice.
>>568219946probably because venator is a gun hero and is hard countered by metal skin
brehs.... I felt so embarrassed from my last game...I was okay being the key player but the fact I fucking lost the MVP player to the h*llidayfag on my team? i want to fucking die
>lane partner shittalks me for not suicide rush me >don't lose mental just go zen >wineasy as that
>mute toxic player>"uhm that's rude">mute toxic play's pocket pussyits really that simple.
what's the "best" way to play pocket and provide value to my team? I feel like I'm missing something with him
>>568220614ult and run away
>>568220614Max duration, cd, spirit, and buy spirit burn
>disable voice and text chat>game is now enjoyablehuh...
>>568220614Rat and farm, you're hard to catch with the coat, always throw it back toward your base when you're clearing waves so you can't get jumped, you can 1v1 pretty much any hero in the game with affliction so you can terrorise their carries, always have ult available for urn and afflict everyone on it.
>check my teammate's profile>6.3 hrs played>check his lane opponent>502 hrs played
r8 h8 Urn BROOOOOL Mina.
brool mode GODS own this game btw
>>568220889it also helps you pay attention to what's happening on the map moreit's a pretty neat trick ay?>>568220962b-but... muh free open alpha........ made by greatest game developers in the world volvo.....
>>568220230>>568220446>>568220889If people are being Niggers just insta mute them, I made a mistake of leaving some twitch dude unmuted who was constantly chitchatting in voice just because of the occasional useful com. In the end i just got tilted out of my fucking mind and played suboptimal.
>>568220984v2 if you want extra stamina
>>568221061what does that have to do with voice and text chat
>>let's make a gamemode where you brool other players!>brooling other players is the most fun part of the "BROOL" gamemode>>let's now try and implement that into the main gamemode with the new urn!!>get extremely mixed reactions because if people wanted to brool instead of finding fun in the moba mechanics they would just play the fucking brool gamemode
>>568221514because without text chat and voice chat you won't have annoying ass players in higher ranks trying to com every little thing that's happening on the map
what do we think of randy the rascal
>>568221550Kek'd I'd say post on the forums but he might take it too personal.>>568221648>B-BRO HE'S HE'S LIKE ONE>*was actually half HP*>*Also has inbuilt sustain or is next to a heal creep*Niggers have no idea how to com and would be better off gagged.
Oh no! The enemy just deposited the urn! Do you go up there to melee it? The following abilities are already active and on the ground at the drop off spot:>kudzu bomb>2x pulse grenade>bookwyrm>flamedashYou have 5 seconds to make a decision
>push wave>fatass redditor big chungus dynamo clears it with a single 1>he's unkillable>he just keeps rotatingunironically what do i doits like im playing against prime techies
>>568221973>"I'm going in"
>>568222014Only push when there is an active urn brool
How does Valve fix urn?
>>568221973Yes.>I die to their aoesMY TURN
>volvo added robloxslop to deadlock to appeal gen alphasgame is NGMI
>>568222375Do the cap mechanics but with original locations, if it still sucks just revert to previous iteration since that was fine as is.
>>568222241unfathomably based
>>568222014some heroes are just good at clearing waves from the get go.Lash for example basically lives on the cable and can clear a whole wave with a single stomp
>>568216540Mina is still overpowered as fuck, you just are bad. She's never been a bad pick because she has literally every single positive to her kit and zero downsides.
>>568222375revert the changes except for method of pick up.It was fine before
>>568222375Move urn deposit location either back to the old spots or the brides in those side lanes. Double the cap time. Ultimately though urn is a terrible objective and they're better off replacing it with something else.
>>568222550Her one downside is the low HP but with them constantly nerfing HP scaling across the board recently I don't even know if that matters unless going against Migu turret spam.
why is there a "Rejuv's Dropping" voiceline on the options menu when the game announcer already announces when the rejuv is dropping
>>568222839Low hp doesn't matter when you get 3 teleports that delete any targeted ability sent at you, and you can just fly around in the air with the umbrealla bullshit + ult.
The devs are online so its not impossible they revert the urn stuff today (copium)
this is sooooo boring when is valve gonna start selling announcer packs
>>568221202>Only use voice wheel to keep comms strictly game focused>Lane phase going very well>Enemy has double ult ready, quickly mention in voice chat since there are no "watch out for ultimates" voice line afaik>We dodge the ults, then lane partner start using voice chat just to analyze the smallest things, banter or even unrelated bullshitSorry I should just let the Lash dynamo combo happen now entire team has voice muted
>>568222878Maybe because the announcer line is new? Or to communicate that before the actual announcement for faster reaction in mixed language lobbies?>>568223041It's still a downside even if it's completely negated by skill, and dash isn't always going to be up in a fight meaning certain combos if landed just kill you where most of the cast can survive and kit away. It also limits how agressive you can be into AOE slop since even .001 seconds of it touching you ticks away enough health for something to one tap you. She's very overpowered character but denying this is a downside is absurd.
>>568223429Mina's effective HP is much, much higher due to the fact that you have 3 dodges that completely destroy all projectiles aimed at you.
>>568223298
this update is so ass but I have else to play
>>568223487What's that have to do with chip damage or when it's on cooldown though? I think you let your (justified) hatred of her blind you to the fact she does have downsides. Shes Hot + Fun to play + alaways good so the good Mina's are going to be nigh unkillable since she'll attract tons of people that want to spam her it's just how it is. It's the same for Pocket, or any character that has high skill ceilings. Whereas heroes with limited kits can only do so much other than just eat the damage. Playing Venator feels like purgatory compared to Mina for example since he's got a large hitbox, almost zero mobility and relies on pure positioning. But due to this nature you can only be so good at him, once you can aim everything the only thing left aside for general mechanics is just trap placement; Or in other words a low skill ceiling. This is just the nature of these games with characters utilising specific kits, thankfully there are at least items to make up for these weaknesses but sacraficing damage for say warpstone is a choice you need to make which someone with an innate dash doesn't need to make and can do on top of their dash.
>>568222550i have 60% wr on mina though, I'm pretty sure I don't suck. I don't get it, if she is so broken instead of complaining, why don't you start playing her?
>>568223425Pretty sure you can middle mouse on enemy ultimates up top while holding tab to ping them
yeah man i love aoe slop yeah don't touch viktors revive man yeah buff infernus stun as well yeah yeah man i agree we got some great ideas since we are talking about great ideas give some secret buffs to kelvin as well let him dome while urn is depositing yeah man also allow rem to heal people from 0 to 100% twice dont touch wraith man also buff vyper and yamato for no reason man yeah man these are great game is defo 100x better thank you man goodjob man
>>568219360>Just sit at mid and wait for urn.I literally do just this and have won most of my matches since the patch dropped just by keeping our mid healthy.
>>568224274There's at least one dude in the thread that constantly seethes about Mina and acts like shes giga easy yet doesn't abuse her for ???? reasons.
urn is unironically the worse objective in all of moba genre
>>568224469LoL OBJ's are/were worse, but I haven't played in years so maybe they did something about them.
>If something is OP just abuse it!Is this the mantra of the metaslave?
>>568224632When I see that one hero is clearly much better than others and destroys me with little effort, i would at least be curious and try him out for few matches. I just know that you never played her because you would stop vomiting your seeker takes>metaslaveshow your most played heros
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>counter item exists therefore the game is perfectly balanced why do people act like this?
>>568225146I did try out Mina for a while she is fun but way too strong, the recent patch has alleviated it a bit, testing heroes you find difficult to face is a good idea though but that's way different than abusing them for their OP value.Here is my hero list tho, haven't played Kelvin since 2024 when he was broken with disarm beam, but I mainly played him cuz he was fun :-)
>>568225602>I'M SO WHICHINNNG GOOOD
>>568225602it has been nearly one year since counterspell was added to the game but most players do not seem to know it exists
>>568225602i cannot imagine being so retarded that you get filtered by stomp lash specially in the year of our lord 2026
>>568163214I prefer fortitude so I can perma brooool and building both slotlocks unless games a stomp.
>>568218460>right handed minatrendchasing faggot porn artist who never played the game
If Holliday got a stacking permanent buff mechanic what would it be? Lasso duration?
so, how do i get better at micro now? turns out the entire time i've been winning by ratting macro and getting so fed i autowin all my fights. now that there are forced fights every 5 minutes even at a disadvantage i am losing every time. so what the fuck do i actually do?t. unironic 30% accuracy shitter
>>568207850The trouble is that I find that playstyle fun. But you're right it's a dog shit experience. Reminder bros. Never judge a decent support getting mad at retards. It's THE most stressful role in a moba.
>>568221202>twitch dude on my teamtime to yell nigger over and over!
The new patch will fix the urn meta
>>568161048>enjoy playing Kevin>he's reddit as fuckHow do I cope with this?
>enemy victor has 26k souls while everybody else has around 16k at 10 minWe need a surrender option on games with Victor. If he's on the enemy team and you haven't win before the 25 minute mark, you know it's over. The enemy team knows it's over. Everybody knows he'll just press w and win.
>>568228284Lean into the sadistic aspect
>>568227092FUCK CAN'T UNSEE
>eternus>playing support>realise most people actually just don't pay any attention the minimap>nudge them with stuff like "double wave crashing green">they still don't react>proceed to do like 20 different dumb as fuck things throughout the course of the game>get mad>get chat banned for 4 dayslike it makes a difference when the community sucks and no one comms on eu
>>568228656>no one comms on euI'm not risking having to interact with russians
>>568228656>Paying attention to sidelanes in urnlockBro..
>>568216547was haze busy polishing your nuts or something?
>>568229223Yeah with Paige on the Shaft and Billy tonguing the backdoor.
>>568194057Italian
Plapping Ivy. Thoughts?
When is it okay to just give up because you're the only one doing anything?> Playing McGinnis> My team is absolute dogshit and we lose two walkers less than 10 minutes in because of feeders on blue and green> I hit ult powerspike and am basically the only thing stopping their push> 0-12 Holliday, 0-15 Wraith with under 10k player damage after 30 minutes> Really just want to give up but I might get key player and not downrank> Get key, downrank anyway
>>568229703Hard as stone
>Celeste and Venator dying 5 times each in the first 10 mins to Vindicta
Does anyone else feel Lash's personality feels somewhat too modern? I know we have some other more egregious examples like Paige or Silver, but since he's more entertaining people don't mind it much. Also I know he was written with Cyberpunk setting in mind, but looking at his designs I expected him to speak a little differently.
i fucking hate eternus get billy 4 times back to back instead of graves great idea to force people 50 50 in eternus thank you yoshi i just want to play some graves man
>>568230023Venator can get got in lane but Celeste has no excuse
>>568230082What he is written like a wwe heel mixed with a stevedore/popeye, he's fairly on point theme wise
>>568230082He's literally Johnny Cage. Same voice actor and same delivery. Also daily reminder to check the bad matchmaking thread for hilarity
>>568230483That metro?
>>568230483he spitting strong facts thougheverbeit
>>568230082Billies is bad too, it's too 70s. Honestly I've given up at this point with the game being thematic outside Geist/Abrams/Infernus/Kelvin unless they completely change a bunch of VA's and their lines last second.>>568230749Can't be no furry avatar.
>>568230829That's the funny thing, people aren't wrong about matchmaking being terrible. It's just that you can see people enter the thread with legitimate posts then over time they devolve into beings of pure anger where they seem to be posting like it's spiting Yoshi to keep subjecting themselves to Deadlock
>>568230870is metro a furry or is it just cartoon need to optimize my hate
>>568230870>Honestly I've given up at this point with the game being thematicyeah me too honestly, pointless to clutch pearls for it after they added a computer to hideout
>>568230082I think everyone is kind of on the modern sidelike Graves and Apollo are modern day teens and not teens of the 50'sI get it. It's difficult to get "authentic" when maybe most of the stuff from that era is TV actors and shit and you aren't going to get your writers all versed on writing in the style of the times. they're more likely to fuck it up and it's easier to just go with a generically stylebut I still think Shiv should say daddy-o a few times and Graves should call enemies a bunch of squares
>>568231957>but I still think Shiv should say daddy-o a few times and Graves should call enemies a bunch of squaresdamn that's a great idea, good post anon
They need to have the Patron announce who gotton the urn because its hard to tell.
>>568231297I'd be on-board with the computer since it's mostly a throwaway gag for the hideout if it just had a ticker tape feed somewhere on it and some out of bounds room full of wires and gizmos like pic rel to show even in the occult world these early computers were goddamn nightmares. Also while we're here there's no police telephones on the main map despite the test map having them along with no cars or street lamps. Obviously that stuff would clutter lanes but surely it can be put off to the side somewhere
playing yamato as a yamato main rn feels like a warcrime
>>568224209Chip damage doesn't matter when you have a spammable heal.>>568224274Because she's not fun to play, she's just overpowered.
I love the little tunnels, we need more small characters. Imagine a whole 6v6 of small fighting it out in the tunnels.I want a goblin. A sewer goblin that scuttles about the tunnels.
If you were doing a Gun Lash (with Spirit), which ability would you imbue with CC?
>>568232332bros.. suspend your disbelief a bit and let them craft a parallel universe. it's meant to be an alternate timeline where the world wars didn't happen (or maybe just the first one?) and certain technological advancements were possible BECAUSE of souls.
Dead game?
>>568227565you're literally me. I was doing great last patch but nu-urn and forced brooling is ruining me
>>568233440>NEOOOO I HAD MASTERED THE ART OF AVOIDING COMBAT FOR 40M STRAIGHT BUT NOW I HAVE TO FIGHT CONSTANTLY!? HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED TO ME IN A PVP SHOOTING MOBA?!Yikes
>>568234002why are you like this?
>>568231062>people aren't wrong about matchmaking being terribleno one is addressing how bad the bot problem is. despite them pretty much taking over the game no one is talking about it, it is fucking insane
>decide I need to take a forced break because I'm playing too much>Yoshi immediately ruins urn right after so I have an excuse to stay away until it's fixedThank you Yoshi
>>568233297My duo stayed up to four in the morning playing soloQ so I need to wait until fucking four pm before he awakens. Also no one likes the Urn but we're both enjoy Deadlock so we still play despite this.
>>568234002retardsupport players dont get enough respect despite objectively being the hardest role to play in mobas
>>568234183Because MOBAs are a joke that went too far and you niggers think you're so high and mighty doing literally nothing for hours at a time but farming npcs in the jungle.
EVERYSINGLETIME
>>568234002>are you... playing the map!?!?!?>AAAAIIIIIEEEEE SAVE ME BROOLER MAANNNN
>>568235105um but the hero is super OP S+++ tier??
>>568235165>um but the hero is super OP S+++ tier??ALL OF THE DAY BRO1/14/2
>>568232927nooo you don't understand nit picking over period accuracy in a video game set in the 40s is my favorite pseudointellecual activity
>>568235017nobody is forcing you to play this game, go back to braindeadwatch
I like the urn
graves' ghouls give way too little souls considering the t2 camp health bar they feel like they have
Silver either goes 10/0 or 0/10 and it doesn't make any difference to whether she wins.
high winrate soloq anons, what hero are you playing?
>>568235117>>568234906You lost. No one wants to play your 1h moba garbage. This is the direction the devs are going in because you are no longer the target audience. Return to DOTA 2.
>>568235665random bc im not a cuckold retard
>>568235665what build you're running, I saw oses supposedly doesn't even up ult anymore but it's not THAT nerfed so idk
>>568235165sorry that you're low elo
>>568235904huh so she's bad at high elo?
>>568235665The MOCs strongest soldier (miku) and the GOATId like to play the new buffed ven but hes just not urn capable enough for this doodoo metayoshi pls
>>568236000if you think the hero isn't op you're low elo
>>568236085but I said the hero is S++++ tier? are you illiterate?
>568236261>I made an ironic post and got called low elo, I can't refute that I'm low elo, so now I will insult your intelligence by pretending I said that in earnest :)kys
>Silver: Lycan Curse Fire Rate reduced from 80% to 65%>Silver: Lycan Curse Fire Rate spirit scaling increased from 0.25 to 0.45LolLmaoWho the fuckk will play silver after this?
>>568236343lmao downplayer troon thought he was slick about it
>>568236343did you forget how to reply? lol you really are stupid
>>568235769for mina or lash?I run oses for lash and i trust his builds cuz he runs him in tournamets oftenAs for mina i keep switching between eido/oses/cosmetical and then build upon them. Now running some build from discord mina otp and added few more green options to it. In the end it doesn't really matter, they are all the same. You want to stack barriers now though. I run grit into spirit/weapon shielding and then buy counter spell/dispell/reactive barrier/ trophy collector depending on a game and she survives a lot of abuse that wayUlt still kills blazingly fast but you have to be more active in fights to gather enough stacks which is not that hard in this meta. But yea, you max it last right now
>>568236405They didn't even need to nerf her, she was weak as shit last patch.>b but muh high elo!She's bad in high elo too.
Silver needs more nerfs
>>568236005just play ven and fuck the meta, maybe max grenade first and buy alchemical fire on top of iti main mina and she also isnt the most capable hero this patch but i also noticed that people are less retarded about urn fight and are starting to pay attention to lanes again
>went from Phantom 4 to Oracle 4 in less than a monthI just make a new account right? I have not had a good game in over 2 weeks. I have zero impact, good or bad, in any game I play.
>>568237236imagine trapspam rush build for urn shitshow.
>>568237591Yosh is just quietly reverting the rank boosts he handed out.
>>568237591Its called adjusting to new meta, a new account would only help you because you'll rape bad players for a few matches before you are stuck back at where you currently are
>>568237591>I-I MUST LITERALLY SMURF TO CLIMBMOBAtard mentality, this is the kind of thing Yoshi is trying to purge from Deadlock.
>Dudes are queueing up to ult the urn as kelvinWe've reached peak faggotry. Time to stop playing till urn is changed.
>>568238735IN HERE
>>568238735>>568238858I AM KING
>>568238735there is a very nice way of dealing with these metaslave faggots. They only follow builds L>R and never buy countersTell your team to buy knockdown, buy silence wave or focus lens and camp bridge
>>568237838>>568238017its not to smurf its because my matchmaker is legitimately broken. I think I might be in smurf queue for some reason.
Next time there's no carries in my team I'll go gun Paige.
>>568236405>>568236672you guys are genuinely not human it was funny at first but now everyone is saying silver is weak are you actually retarded
>>568239867She's actually really bad and easy to counter. You're just bad at the game.
I never got this far before...WHAT DO I DO
>>568235017if they suck then just go and kill them while they are farmingisn't that the whole point of drifter?
>>568240332I am not saying this to be mean but anything below e6 is same just play like you usually do
>>568239792>gun Paige.she probably actually might have a route that isn't just splitshoting people at close-mid range if the bullet velocity changes make her projectiles fast enough
>>568236672>Bad in high elo too>This patch: 56% WR S tier in E6>Last patch: 53.3% A tier (Top 5)Genuinely just larping
>>568242006>>568242006>>568242006>>568242006>>568242006
>>568240603he's too retarded to understand farming is a tiny sliver of what you do and is essentially background noise. You really think he's smart enough to be able to know who to gank let alone even know how to gank?
Damn really asking the hard questions huh?to be fair I should probably know what skill to imbue after this many god damn games>>568232901
