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>>572949597this image was made by someone who understands absolutely nothing about code optimization and hygiene
>>572950556>hygieneHow does code get stinky?
>>572950556And then reposted as OP when nobody responded to him. You just had to go and ruin it.
>>572950556good thing it's a joke image on the internet and not an excerpt from text books
>>572951038Well, when you outsource your software development to india...
>>572949597I vote to upgrade binary by adding a third digit. This would increase the upper cap of a byte to 6560. Let's call it super binary. Or SUBI for short.
>>572950556not knowing the meme...
>>572952769This one is my personal fave
>>572952769>>572952949I'd be surprised if no one made one of these yet for>STOP BALANCING BELTS
>>572951919There were attempts at ternary logic with -1,0 and 1
>>572956016I prefer Yes, No, and Nyes
>>572954881Surveys show that 90% of all belt balancers are unnecessary and could be removed with no impact of small improvement to the system
A friend just told me about Procelioit really is like a reboot of Robocraft, I assume some people here have been playing it?
gentlemen i am pleased to announce that after only 4 tries i have successfully landed a rover on the surface of eve
I feel kinda sad that in SA the alien threat gets reduced to nothing very quickly. Even when you play marathon death world the bugs are still an issue only early on and after you get to other planets they will do basically nothing. Would be cool if there was some lategame threat.
>>572973925Sexual Assault aliens? Sign me up.
>>572973925Factorio would be a pretty bad automation game if you couldn't automate the combat with aliens away.
>>572964434nah there has to be more than 10% used on train loading/unloadingthere are a lot of stupid ones though like people putting balancers after every split off on their main bus when they really want to just compress upwards
Would connecting all of my heating towers into the same "system cause any sort of loss of efficiency? Or should each tower/exchanger/turbine stack be separate?
>>572975883There is no heat loss in Factorio, energy is only spent via heat exchangers/Aquilo heating, or if you deconstruct heat pipes.
>>572976330Thats no fun! I guess I could just make a giant pyramid with my gleba heating towers as long as the steam reaches them...
>>572952769>implying OP posted it as a meme after seething about floats for months
>>572978972I posted it as a meme because I thought it was funnyt. OP
>>572967597clocked 25 hours so far, although 2/3 of the time i was buildingits really close to being original robocraftgive it a go! its free after all
>>572973925I have played the alternative, with explosive biters on Vulcanus and robot enemies on Fulgora. Believe me, it's annoying and restrictive rather than fun.
Count on starting the final mission:>500 rubies (minus the multitude that came in after hitting that many)>329 emeralds>985 diamonds (fuck, so close)>14 amethyst (including filters)>8 celestiteDamn, and the last diamond box filled as I was typing this. It's meaningless in the end, but still.
>>572967827>only 4 triesHow many of them landed in the purple drank?
>>572981092>cannib...interesting tabs there
>>572981591KEKFine I'll get rid of the distractionsThank fuck I was watching to an /egg/ish video
>>572981831>pumpingWhat are you pumping bro?
>>572981591Oh yeah this is that tab by the way, I wanted it for a drawing I was doing (that I've been putting off for... months now)>>572981935A channel beginning with 'Pumpkin', just a random letsplayer recommendation I gotIf you couldn't guess, I have shit playing constantly in the background when I play games
>>572976649>subtractive shaping on aquilo>cover every tile with heat pumps and delete as needed to fit machines
>>572979394Hey, you were in one of the first games I was in.it's almost a shame I'll never relive the flier era before SMGs could hit further than 30m away
>>572954881I can make one later. Give me some screenshots of some even to odd balancers or some pedantic main bus
>>572998885>depriving an autist of his automationDevilish.
>>572998885toiling in the fields is too creative, robots can't do it on their own yet. You want to make him do something mind numbingly simple and repetitive, something which could easily be automated with an elegant electromechanical rig. Like linking chains, or sharpening pencils.
The goal is to be a flat fuck, get underneath people, knock them up and then shoot their undersides for maximum damagein theory a rail shot aimed right at the very center instakills this, but I'm such a flat fuck I can see the rail light sweep above me and then immediately give up
>>573017773
Does the message from deep space count as an engineering game?
>>573020154No.
>>572950556Tism detected
>>573020154looks like it yes, bit more puzzle but why not
>>573020154Looks TIS-adjacent
i bought space age when it released and was too scared to fucking run it since thenyesterday i decided to run itwhy did i do this? why did i not listen to myself and just ignored it?fuck
not your blog niggakys
>>572981239just onefirst mission:>lands in the ocean and cant go anywheresecond mission:>attach a propeller so it can get itself to land in the event of a water landing>lands on land anyway>violent kraken attack the second it hits the surface>seen similar attacks with very heavy vehicles on lower gravity planets so chalk it up to high gravity/atmospheric pressurethird mission:>send a much more robust rover in the hopes of not being crushed on the surface>just slapped it onto the existing transfer stage/heat shield as the previous one without thinking about orientation>it flips and burns up in the atmospherefourth mission:>orient it correctly>lands safelyfor the fourth one i also fiddled with the settings for the suspension, which i think might actually be what killed mission 2. apparently high gravity causes problems specifically when your spring strength is high; min spring strength and max damper strength fixes it
>>573040415>attach a propellerkekthe air is so dense you can fly on stabilizer winglets and land wherever you want
if you consistently play /egg/ames will it increase your iq?
>>573045805It will stop your IQ from falling.
>>573045805causation, meet correlation
Anons that are playing 2.1, do you know if Landing pad unloading bays can also load from trains?
>>573047795they're output only
am I winning yet?
>>573045805If so, it would be the times you're either solving new problems or you're rethinking your existing solutions. A new /egg/, a new modpack, a new approach to an existing one. Not pasting the same blueprint for the seventh time, or making the same ONI/Stationeers base, or repeating the same Kerbal launch two dozen times like a certain anon. Even still, there's the question of how much problem solving in vidya transfers into solving IQ test questions or solving real-world problems.
>>572975883No, it would not, though you want to keep the heat exchangers fairly close to the heat source since heat pipes aren't good over long distance.
The new else output is great, here's a timer that rearms itself after one minute, all in one decider + constant combinator to detect a blown land mine. Once it does, it will tick down to 0, disabling storage chests during this time, then after one minute reset itself and enable the chests.
>>573045805No.
>>573064476Very nice. Before 2.1 I had made a counter with reset to make trains take turns but it took up a lot of space. "Else" should make it simpler.
>>573065704counterpoint >>573064476
>>573005074Well, in theory, the optimal shape would be a perfect sphere, since all parts not connected to the “core” are automatically destroyed. Therefore, elongated shapes are only viable for snipers and long-range “ambush” designs, where you can position your vehicle at an optimal angle.Ground vehicles with wheels or tracks must be protected them to retain mobility, so it makes sense to add evenly thick layers of blocks and shields on all sides. This naturally results in square or rectangular shapes. However, having weak top protection makes the vehicle susceptible to air attacks and bombardment from elevated positions.Therefore, in theory, a flat-topped pyramid should be the optimal shape for all frontline ground-attack vehicles.
how do you guys control egg insertion for prod modules 3?
>>573070538I went the easy way with direct insertion from nest to prod3 electroplant. Egg timers don't tick until they leave the nest, and the inserter only swings if the plant has enough ingredients to immediately craft.
>>572949597that last line is truthful and fundamental. You dispaly your ignorance.Slepian published a paper on 'indistinguishable'. He said that "equals" means we cant tell the difference, which is dependent on our measurement techniques.You not knowing this is irrelevant; you do it whether you know it or not.
>>573067758I agree, for a typical ground SMG type vehicle a flat-topped pyramid (with the top pushed towards the back a bit, and made a bit rectangular) is optimal.Pushing the top back means you can get all of your SMGs on target and being rectangular ensures that you can still fit in tight spaces + it provides better turning. There are certain shapes of vehicle that handle really poorly.I hate SMGs in all games they're in because of how incredibly lame the "hover over enemy and hold mouse" gameplay is but when I was on my megabot tirade and reiterated my designs over and over and over until I found what I considered the ultimate lifeform, it ended up having a weird sort of gun tower at the back, two guns mounted to the front and two in the usual position on top.The problem with front-mounted guns in Robocraft turrets in Robocraft can't fire directly up. Now I think about it, this isn't an issue in Procelio and I should really start mounting weapons on the front. Still, for a non-megabot, you want a lot of redundancy so this design doesn't scale down well, but I found the low weight of the bot allowed it to be much faster than other megabots, the compact size allowed it to outmanoeuvre the others and take less hits (and thus winning the healing versus damage race)Unfortunately, the flat fuck bot I posted earlier is very vulnerable to air targets. Great against ground targets, awful against air, but I really like low-profile / compact bots.
>>573070875yeah wtf I totally forgot you can make modules on electroplants
>>573070538This retarded shit. A basic inserter is picking off the last egg on the belt and putting it on the belt to the heating towers. And everytime the egg ship comes by the oldest eggs in the requestor chest get put on the same incineration belt. It still results in a biter spawning every once in a while because the inserter doesn't pick the last egg up but the second to last egg. But it gets instantly obliterated so I don't really care.>Why are you doing it on FuggBecause I touch yourself at night
>>573070875You probably had to set the hand size to 1 though, right?
>>573071495Why T1 speed modules in the beacons?
>>573070538Grab from nest into provider chest only if there are less than 2 already in. Request 2 eggs in the mall, one gets used right away and the other is to avoid downtime in-between.I see no reason to mass-produce those modules.
what did anon mean by this?
>>573073075I just set the map parameters to generate an island, and keep rerolling until no biter nests spawn on the island
favorite change so far, might actually use mines again
>>573074680Is that so you can start a timer when a mine goes off and then when the timer expires *then* you can allow bots to replace the mines?
>>573075119Looks like the furthest mine to the right in each cluster has its enable condition set inversely to the others so only it's active, then when it blows, the others lose their disable signal and also blow. Clever. Could wire a timer in as well.
>>573075119I think the mine block is disabled until the last row is tripped so it takes a chunk of biters in one big boom
>>573076021>>573076126That makes sense, thanks.
hm? https://mods.factorio.com/mod/pid-combinator?from=updated
ConfessI never learned how signals work exactly nor bothered to use circuits for them so I had seperate lines for every resource
>>573074680Damn that's smart, I wonder if you could instagib a demolisher with a bigger version of that
>>573076703>demolisher body segments take no damage from explosionsboooo
>>573076996I think the demolisher would destroy the mines it ran over anyway
>>573077554He would still leave some intact around him.
The Logi-Brain, were it built today, would have like a third of the footprint.I think that's a little sad.
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>>573081527what blue science is to most people
I'm only 3 hours in. This seems egregious
>>573082164snibbidy snabb :D
This got me to mun but I cannot survive reentry even after 5 aerobreaks
>>573083461
off topic but what's the extension everyone's using nowadays
>>573083890Do you have the heat shield unlocked yet?
>>573083890You must have an awful reentry angle.
>>573084749Yes but i cannot get it aligned at 2km/s so its useless. I will try to unlock the reaction wheel >>573085301nope had to do a full orbit in atmosphere to crash onto the planet, i was going practically parallel to the surface. With that angle I didnt need the heat shield but i still couldnt slow down enough in time
>>573086172meanwhile I found this works good enough actually:))
>>573086172>i cannot get it alignedYou need CoM at the front for the reentry vehicle. That is how it will orient and it will mostly override any control systems. The shape of pods is derived from this.>full orbit in atmosphere>parallel>couldn't slowYeah, that's a comically awful reentry angle. If you've gotten into an approximately low kerbal orbit, whether from a burn or aerobraking, then your real trajectory with drag should have you come down to ground within like a sixth of an orbit after entering atmosphere. It's something like 100-200 dv from a 80-100km orbit. I forget exactly but AP something like 20-40klm.
>>572952769highly thread relevant one
>>573088273What the fuck is the nuclear torpedo dinosaur?
>>573088463it's like an interior crocodile alligator
>>573088507
>>573086172Peak temperature is a product of heat generation and time. You want a short duration of reentry with heat generation that doesn't quite overheat it. You can and should be more aggressive.
>>573088868It's really not, in KSP. Takes barely two seconds to reach peak temperature.
>>573088463nuclear caravannot used in anything since py is meant to be played without bitersI don't think it *does* anythingit's basically a kamikaze drone you can guide towards a spot before it explodes
>>573089272You ever flown a spaceplane? You can go 1.5km/s at 22km for like a minute. Shut up retard.
>>573086739smart, I wouldn't have thought of thathere's my early research setup on a fresh 2.1 runi usually arrange my labs like this early on, then switch to sushi belts later
>>573089446You shut up, double retard. The temperature isn't slowly increasing while you do that. It peaks in two seconds and then stays constant, only changes if you accelerate or you reduce altitude. You can enable advanced tweakables and monitor thermal flux.
>>573089272>>573090508You're being pedantic. That post was teaching a retard who was doing a full rotation reentry.
this is what peak performance looks like
>>573090842I'm trying to explain that unless you have an ablative heatshield on board, either a dedicated shield or one of those DLC crew pods, going for a sharper angle will only make things worse. The correct approach here is spending wayy too long aerobraking until you're going slow enough to survive dipping into denser atmosphere.
>>573091153No, that's mental illness.
finally the wall is completethe turrets can easily be scaled for later but for now i can finally focus inwards and work on blue science
>>573082164wat mod
>excited to finally get mega excavators in COI>they cant cross bridges and so cant reach my mines on another islandWHAT IS THE POINT OF THATFUCK YOUI had spent so much effort making sure I didnt block any roads with overhead pipes and belts so these massive things would be able to travel around, just to get cock blocked by this shit. do I have to build a separate garage on every island? is that really my only option?
>>573089423it's meant for pvp pyanodons
>>573091153nahbut if you put the station under the elevated and let other trains pass on the main line, then it would be greatalso needs mods/quality with better acceleration sources because you get a penalty for front wagon
oh fug it's time
>>573095361>POWER (...) POWERyou get a D too much repetition
>>573094201Looking good anon, plenty of space and some decent patches inside2.1 version? Be ready for aggressive expansion
>>573095738>too much repetitionNot a fan of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8h8snfYidg
>>573095972he gets a pass for pronouncing with punctuation
>>573095815not sure, im using the latest on steam but not beta branchi havent read the patch noteswhats in 2.1?
>>573074680Nice. Now to find a way to apply this principle to make my nuke-in-rocket-turret design functional.
>>573096249If you're just using Steam without the experimental branch, then you're still on 2.0 (which is recommended)>whats in 2.1?Mostly minor updates overall, like being able to send items from one Space Platform to another and some fluid behavior changesBut the main one for your base would be that biter expansions are larger and tend to expand towards your base instead of out in the wildernessNothing you should worry about though, it's going to be a couple months before they mark 2.1 as Stable, and the biter expansion might get toned down in the meantime
>>573095361quality is bloat but now I can ignore it again
>>573097182I was playing the experimental and I DID feel like Biters were WAY more aggressive.I had just chalked it up to me being rusty, but it felt like Rampant levels of just constantly shitting swarms at my base from every angle.
>>573099416>Biters were WAY more aggressiveMy Gleba base was breached and partially destroyed within hours of installing the update after in-game weeks of no activity lmao
>>573097182>>573099416>>573101705Good I thought biters were way too easy before.
What's the keybind you can press to instantly mark all new recipes as "read"?
I post my BASED
>>573102443Very nice. Fancy walkways.
>>573102101I don't know if there's a way to mark them, but you can prevent them from being notifications in the first placeSettings --> Interface
>>573102443cliffs are literally the devil
I should love Autonauts but it's exhausting to play. The implementation of all the little things is somehow just awkward and tedious enough to consume too much brain collectively to accomplish anything. I tried to improve matters by learning how to use the program database (once finally unlocked) to store instructions so I could at least actually fucking program without having to first create the conditions to perform the programmed actions myself. I didn't figure that out and I instead accidentally overwrote a bot and had to remake its program.
BURN
>>573104594Also there's some obnoxious behavior about the fuel parts they added. The flamethrower can only pull fuel from a tank that it is directly connected to, no fuel lines, and the fuel lines have a limited amount of slack. So you have to do this retarded shit for an extendable flamethrower.
>>573102443cliffs are literally basedWorking around cliffs and water without removing them is a top tier playstyle, makes really interesting challenging bases and avoids busses.
>whole power grid went down out of nowhere>fuel generators were the newest addition>figure the problem must lie there>spend 30 minutes trying to figure out what the hell happened>conclude that I'm simply not moving fuel fast enough>spend an hour gathering and crafting stuff to unlock industrial manufacturing and then t2 pipelines>upgrade pipes>doing final checks before flipping power back on>realize all that happened was that I forgot to sloop my fuel refinery
>>573109586Reminds me of something that happened a few weeks ago at my job>Release software with a minor change to expose an API endpoint>Go back to vidya>1 hour later, start getting emails with a 1-hour delay about everything being broken>Panic, start rollback process>Get into a Teams call and find out there was a power problem at the data center and had nothing to do with me
bus-tards don't want you to know this, but you can actually have fun playing the game by designing fun, monolithic, tileable assembly lanes
>>573110774You're not smelling inside this very block.
>>573111185correct, I use an unbalanced belt to bring it from my furni lanes, which is, by definition, the opposite of a bus
I want to play with x100 science modifier but I also want bugs to become more aggressive over time while being bit weaker early on so they don't outscale me at start with such huge science cost, but also give me some challenge later so I can't just steamroll themAny suggestions? Without mods
uuuuh... pole placement status?
>>573112594I think this works?Red = UG, Green = Steel pole
>>573112548Pollution evolution at minimal, time and destruction evolution at 0. Will make them evolve slowly.Destruction evolution only for manual mode but it might be too much control for you.Large starting area, low density, low expansion rate. Will slow them down.
kind of annoying how there's no way to make both compact and tilable assembly lanes with fluidspick your poison
>>573114041Underground belts and long inserters?
>>573114415substantiate your claims, the optimum should be 3-wide for the machine, 1/2-wide for the shared pipe, 1-wide for the 3 inserters, 3/2 wide for the 3 inputs and outputs, totaling 6-wide, my example on the right is 6-wide, but there's no place for any pole
>>573110774please direct insert like a normal sane person, I am not asking nicely.
>>573115217There's even enough room for lamps
>>573116407kill yourself, I'm asking nicelyit's like noobs who only know one trick and can't explain why they need to use it, even when it has no practical upside, sloppypasters in a nutshell
>>573116597Ever other option is functional worse and you know it.
>>573116583overruled for terminal uglyness, especially if you add one more half-belt of input for longer lanescould maybe use substations instead with some tweaking
Alright ghostanon is clearly trolling now
>>573116407Anon, look at those builds, there was never any sanity, only autism.
>>573117025you wish>>573117105sanity has no use-case, only symmetry, tileability, and scalability
>>573109586Is it even worth it to sloop your refineries? I mean sure you get more power out of the same amount of oil but man, I just built a power plant using the heavy oil residue recipe and the diluted fuel recipe to make turbofuel in the end, I get like 10GW out of 150m^3/min crude oil input. Feels like the sloops are better spent elsewhere, like on some slow and expensive to make items and not in the power plant refineries.
>>573114415>Underground belts and long inserters?>>573115217>substantiate your claimspic related
I'm imagining that you could use mine tripwire detection to charge tesla turrets so they're not constantly sucking down power when inactive
>>573117317dunno honestly, I did the math yesterday and concluded that slooping it would fuel 4 generators and a packager but I don't remember how I reached that conclusionI don't really bother much with optimization, I just try to keep my power up enough to idle phase items slowly in the backgroundalso I only just reached oil for the first time so I don't know shit lol
Reminder that ReShade (reshade.me) is free and supports Factorio and has a tone mapping shader that lets you fix Factorio's too-dark colors without washing it out.The brightness/contrast settings in Factorio are not adequate.For me (pic related) I use 0.800 "gamma" and 0.150 "exposure" in the Tonemap shader.
>>573117439that would make the leftmost design 6.5-wide, which is about as much as the middle design anyway, I'm aiming for 6-wide, see picrel is nice and compact, 6 packed blue belts of green circuits input, totaling 18 blue circuits output
>>573117953One thing I love about Satisfactory is how you can color every bit of your factory and make it really look beautiful, including pipes through foundations to hide themOne thing I hate is how it's not on a grid and so you get stuff like this from your screenshotIt really fucks with my OCD
>>573118093What about underground weaving? Doesn't always work out but when it does it saves a ton of space.
>>573118483cancer, we're doing God's work here
>>573118269What? There's an optional global grid in Satisfactory. I think you hold down Ctrl when placing foundation.
>>573118613Grok, is this true?I'll have to give it another shot then - I feel like it either didn't exist when I played, or I just didn't know about itI feel like maybe there was some kind of grid, but it didn't really help me keeping things orderlyI just remember being frustrated by routing pipes around and how they never seemed to like up properly
>>573118269I just suck at pathing belts and pipes, you can fine tune them but when I'm just trying to get something up and running I just cbf scrutinizing them pipes especially I struggle with, they have some goofy curvature at times imo
>>573112861solved it in the best way possible, I love this game so much it's unreal
>>573118907> I just cbf scrutinizing themI need to learn that skillI remember setting up a huge turbofuel factory for shitloads of power, spending way too much time tweaking every little pipe to line up and be properly coloredThen once it was running by itself I never looked at it again for the next 40 hours
>>573119075That can't possibly be optimal. Look at all that empty space! Where is the sushi? Where are the circuits?
>>573118829It's even possible to snap the water extractors to the grid, but it's difficult: you have to be pointing at a foundation block while trying to place the water extractor, which means you have to place foundation underwater somewhere so you can be looking at it when you're looking where you want the extractor to go.I usually place lots of extra foundation to put things on, like those pipe stand things, so that I can line up my pipes / extractors correctly.
>>573119308the only empty place is your soul>6 frames per secondyou need 24 machines in a row to saturate a yellow belt of green circuits as input
>>573117953I had 4 generators on my first refineries too. I think you're going a bit overkill with the pumps there on those fuel lines though, it really doesn't look like the height difference is that big, a single pump at the beginning of the fuel line is likely enough.>>573118269>One thing I hate is how it's not on a grid and so you get stuff like this from your screenshotYou can hold Ctrl by default to make foundation snap to the global grid
>>573119598I never minded the water extractors looking a bit out of place, since visually they look like they're floating on the water anywaysI like the idea of a kind of flexible pipe linking it to the factory while it floats around a bit in the waterBut thanks anon, I think you've convinced me to give Satisfactory another playthrough once I'm done with my 2.1 100% run
>>573119184>Then once it was running by itself I never looked at it again for the next 40 hoursthat's how I felt on my first playthrough so I restarted at around 100 hours and decided to go for a bit of a sprawl dealit's still especially hideous on the outside but my endgame is to connect basically every factory and give them all proper buildings or shellsrandom nodes has been a bit of a boon in letting me pull off some stuff I've really enjoyed working around>>573119757>I think you're going a bit overkill with the pumps there100% lol, remnants of trying to fix my oil problem in >>573109586
>>573119851A few weeks ago I started a new Satisfactory save (that's what that screenshot is from) but had to put it down when the weather got warm because my computer heats up my apartment too much. Now I'm chilling with Factorio 2.1 since it barely uses any power to run.
>>573119757Nice factory.
The best offense is a good defense.
Factorio 2.1 has proper vehicle direction snapping now. Used to have to use a mod for that.
>>573120175>connect basically every factory and give them all proper buildings or shellsThat's what I'm basically doing this run as well. On my first run I just ended up with an endlessly-extending floating platform and it all just felt kinda bad in the end, plus despite my best efforts since everything was together and the belts and shit were becoming a tangled mess.Now I'm building things more separated out and I'm trying to make reasonable buildings and setups. Some machines I feel like don't fit inside a building very well, chiefly refineries since they're so tall making floors for them feels retarded, so they belong outside as far as I'm concerned. I usually just make fenced off areas for builds like these.I'm also using trucks because I wanted to try out making roads with the new vehicle paths, the paths are somewhat glitchy but once set up they work reliably and it's neat to see my trucks driving nicely on my roads.>>573120730Thanks anon
>>573122490Does the new truck routing system work pretty good? I haven't got that far yet in my latest save.
>>573122490>endlessly-extending floating platformI fell into this trap during my playthrough as well, though it was not incredibly high in the air, it still felt awfulFactories that feel at home in the terrain, like the one you posted, makes everything look much more natural and interesting
>>573116407I don't know what this means
>>573122784inserters can move things from one machine to another machine with nothing in between them
>>573122678I just put columns under my platforms to calm the 'tism.
>>573119757>>573122490Your stacked railings as fences or scaffolding or whatever disturb me.
>>573122490that looks really fucking neat dudethe floating platform conundrum is what made me fold on my first save tooI had no clue what I was actually doing and ended up building myself into a corner where I just funneled all of my resources into an ugly sky platform with single square noodle paths to all the sources
>>573122490why do your factories have fences on the roof?are you making FOXCONN?
>>573122880but then theres no buffering
>>573123345ok but you are producing and consuming at the same rateand the only buffer space you have is the few tiles between where you drop and then pick up things anywayswhich is basically nonexistantand you don't need a buffer anyways?i don't caremake your factory however you wanti was just trying to answer your question
>>573122613If you make proper paths it does. There are problems with the paths auto-connecting when you're building BP road segments, especially if it's an intersection and you need to connect to points where paths split / merge. I haven't really found a solution to these auto-connect issues sadly, I just delete some paths and place them down by hand again and that fixes them. Once they're down properly (you can tell by their color, junctions should be green and the rest blue, yellow or red means something is fucked) the trucks run reliably, if somewhat slowly. It's been tens of hours since the first truck at least and I haven't had a single fuckup with them.>>573122678Yeah, building things that work with the environment is much more enjoyable to me. It's the same in games like OpenTTD, it's cooler and more interesting to build a railway or whatever around a mountain or through a valley than it is to use your infinite cash to flatten it all.>>573123102Are there any better fences in the game? Like a chainlink fence or something. I also don't like the lack of a proper gate for these fences, the wall doors don't fit at all of course and the gates are slightly better but still not what I'd want at all.>>573123159Glad you like. I've still got some things that need further decorating but I'm pretty happy with how it's turning out.>>573123213It's legit annoying to me to build on some sort of elevated platform and to fall off the edge while backing up when lining up a machine or something. Having something on the edge also kinda looks more natural and using walls would look like shit I think.
>>573123746I'm not the autism man making those factories, I'm just a noob wondering what was wrong with what he was doing
>>573123772>If you make proper paths it does. There are problems with the paths auto-connecting when you're building BP road segments, especially if it's an intersection and you need to connect to points where paths split / merge. I haven't really found a solution to these auto-connect issues sadly, I just delete some paths and place them down by hand again and that fixes them. Once they're down properly (you can tell by their color, junctions should be green and the rest blue, yellow or red means something is fucked) the trucks run reliably, if somewhat slowly. It's been tens of hours since the first truck at least and I haven't had a single fuckup with them.Nice, thanks for explaining it. I'll probably try that instead of trains for a while. Trains are a gigantic headache to setup.
>>573123817there is nothing wrong with what he is doingpeople just like doing it like this >>573080092actually the one thing he is doing wrong is spamming multiple images of shit no one cares about and pretending he's special
>>573124017I was kinda considering trains myself. In some ways I think they're less of a headache, namely because they run on electricity instead of fuel. Fueling the trucks can be kind of a pain since it's one more thing you need to distribute so every route has it available, or make every route visit some common fuel stations. Of course this isn't Factorio so you can't do anything clever like send it to refuel only when required. If you use coal for early fuel like I did, it's also used up fairly quickly so it can limit your max travel distance, though they can still travel a fair bit. In my case the route from my sulfur mines to the turbofuel plant was right at the very limit on coal though, so it's not impossible to run into this issue.Trains are so fuckhuge and use so much space though, like it's difficult to find space for stations and shit especially if you're playing in this way where you don't want to just make shit float in the sky.
>>573124458>Trains are so fuckhuge and use so much space though, like it's difficult to find space for stations and shit especially if you're playing in this way where you don't want to just make shit float in the sky.That was my main issue last time I played a couple years ago. Every mine required a gigantic train station and tons of space for the track to fork.
Playing on Marathon (4x research costs) and the biters are getting too difficult for my current level of research. After some peace talks we agreed that the path to the resources I wanted would remain under biter control.
autism test
>>573128260result positive
>>573116583why is brotherman fitlering his input inserters and output inserters toofuck you gonna take out of the blue chip assembler, bananas?bro's retarded
>>573129423not him but maybe it's to make it obvious which belt each resource is meant to come from
>>573129423I like it, I find it soothing.Gonna start using it in addition to using splitter crossbars instead of balancers.
>>573129558Easier to have a constant combinator at the source of each belt with the items in it.
where is my nobel prize in engineering?
>>573131512You get the prize when you make a recursive single assembler smart mall.
>>573131702skiddies truly make me sickit's like they've never experienced real programming once in their life and feel amazed when the game gives them the opportunity to emulate a shitty version of it, it's really disgustingI play games to consumme the programming efforts of others, not for them to give me the "opportunity" to fix theirsit's literally the "mods will fix it" mentality, except it's "turing complete circuits will add whatever feature I'm missing"we have an interface for that, it's called the lua apithey have taken us for absolute foolsno, you're not a genuis for wasting your time making an incredibly inefficient calculator in redstone
>some retard spams the first three pages of the mod portal with AI slop modsI need a filter
>>573046389this, it's probably like doing crosswords and stuff like that
>is factorio good for you
>>57311254810x science can be played with regular evolution settings. Maybe even 20x science. So divide regular evolution settings by 5-10 for something workable.
Any good factorio mods that aren't total conversions?
>>573132012idk i saw some cannon that sampled the RNG using dust or something to calculate the current RNG state and then manipulate it so that things are launched into exactly the correct places by chains of tnt explosions in a project orion mannerit was pretty neat
>so close, yet so farwhy is this game so cruel?
>>573133243>lust provoking factory
>>573137194slutty little t1 assembler got me acting unwise
>>573137194You mean a baby factory?
>>573119075please my friend, thing bigger and more retarded
>>573137656More retarded
>>573137194>damn cocky little train intersection clogging up, needs correction
>>573137194>hot belt mess and a big, fat assembler section down below has me about to run a train
>>573137656imagine putting 2 but not 3 green modules, which would further cut consumption and pollution down in literally half (from 40% to 20%)but I get it, for enjoyers of direct insertion, reading and trying to make sense out of tooltips must be something new and completely novel
>bionic duplicants>deepthroat thick ass batteries>addicted to lube>have to wear a cork buttplug at all times to keep their juices from leaking out>have bi in their title
>>573139693I think you might be projecting a bit of insecurity right there sport
Gleba made me realize how easy it was to lose weight and today, I weighed myself at 70kg. So in a weird way, I can say Factorio made my health better.
>>573140089I'm sorry but all my buttplugs are metal.
>>573130052why not a display panel?
>>573139138they were blue assemblers when the modules mattered.i then bulk upgraded EVERYTHING to yellow assemblers.this is my retard run where i'm purposefully doing bad spaghetti and parasitic builds, so power was VERY limited pre nuclear.
>>573141118bro's been eating pentapod eggs
>>573106002the interesting design cliffs force you to do in question. warning- gore
>>573144071I don't see an issue
>>573144071i just see art
i waited so long for thisi hate coal smelterslove me electricssimple as
Didn't know this was factorio general
>>573144832it's the biggest engineering game
>>573129423it allows him to waste UPS with useless filters
>irrelevant, UPS wasting filters
Research auto-selector almost done, just need to gate the memory cell with some kind of clock to stop it corrupting every few hours.
>>573144832space engineers 2 will deliver us back to /svgg/
is there a mod for satisfactory that lets you slide up hills instead of instantly killing all momentum the second you have the audacity to touch a 5 degree incline?
>>573137194irrelevant time wasting question
>>573142546Because I forgot those exist. Also don't those only allow a single item to display?
>>573160573>don't those only allow a single item to display?yes but they are 1x1 while combinators are 1x2, and they cost less than half in terms of materials
>>573161341a constant combinator is 1x1
why are there so many steps to installing unofficial factorio seablock 2.0 instead of just using the game's mod manager?
>>573161527oops you are right, yet another display panel L
>>573161575To prepare you for all the bullshit the mod has to offer
i am descending into madness
THE INSERTERS WEREN'T FACING THE RIGHT DIRECTION
>>573163179It's a furnace stack! Get over yourself.
So what's the verdict on Factorio 2.1's beta?
>>573167796Definite difficulty increase but new features are worth it
>>573171178>difficulty increasewhy?
>>573171324Biters pick expansion slots more aggressively.
>>573171324Quality metas nerfed, concrete voiding nerfed, and most of all enemy expansion raids became much more frequent (which isn’t a big deal if your perimeter is up to par but if it isn’t you’ll find out within minutes of updating)
>>573171618I don't even know what concrete voiding is
>>573144634Electrics are good but my friend have you heard about underground belt weaving? >>573118483>>573150920Looks neat, whatever it does.>>573156152You can go uphill while using the parachute.
>>573171456I don't really see the problem there but I guess I'll have to experience it for myself>>573171618>Quality metas nerfedNobody with a brain used the fucking casino and I spit on whoever did the same way I spit on promethium belt weavers.
>>573172747Fuck sliding just get the running shoes, and then jetpack with biofuel.
>>573172825It's not so much about having a brain. It's that by the time you have enough asteroid prod for it, the game has nothing left to offer.
>>573173148That's legendary quality in general, do you think you'll use it to beat the game or something? The only application is megabasing.
>>573173276I did, yeah. Put it on a couple gun turrets and asteroid grabbers, not that it was necessary in the end.
>>573171178>>573171456I'm not really feeling it yet. The biters are staying pretty well back so far. These are normal Marathon settings.
>>573173750They now prefer to expand into empty areas, rather than filling in spaces between existing bases. Which ups the frequency of expansion groups going for your "empty area".
>>573172018Turning concrete into hazard concrete and recycling it. It used to turn into less regular concrete but now it returns the ingredients for concrete.
>>573173750It adds pressure if you clear out all the nests from your pollution cloud in lieu of defenses -- the cleared space will fill back in faster.But if you set up a full perimeter, it doesn't really change much.
>>573175439So manual combat is nerfed and automated defenses are better is what you're sayingYeah I feel that too in my current run, there's no point in evicting biters unless I fortify that area right away
>>573176746>So manual combat is nerfed and automated defenses are betterYeah it's on purpose but it's a trade-off.Turrets, at least after some upgrades, do far more damage than the handheld rifle with the same bullets, but if you don't kill biter nests then they will never stop attacking you and using up your ammo, the resources to make it which could have been used on something more permanent.
>>573177186If you grab enough land all the pollution can dissipate and biters only attack with expansion parties
>>573177475Yeah and that's what I usually do but later it gets tedious to claim enough land and clear it all out in the first place.
>>573177475Or if you put green modules into everything
i enjoy watching youtubers who are bad at factorio or kerbalany youtuber like that? i finished all ambigious amphibian's factorio and now i want another new youtuber to watch struggle and make spaghetti
>>573143294I think you mean green assemblers, which are, in fact, less polluting but also less efficient than blue assemblers, which is in contradiction with the basic laws of thermodynamics if you really think about itactually why would electric units produce pollution to begin with? is your PC producing pollution? like what is an electric miner suppose to byproduce? heat?immersion = ruined
>>573179245DunkOrSlam did a full Space Age playthrough. His normal game is Noita so it was pretty far outside his skill set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKv6cfcG5I4&list=PLvXBORqQ_jpozbcUjvdec_vxOI4S-yehP
>>573179245nearly all youtubers or livestreamers are smug redditors who just sloppypaste whatever works without trying to figure anything out by themselves, which is representative of the general player basethat, or they give up about 40 hours in, and direct insert their purple and yellow science, maybe finish the game, and never touch it again
>>573179774ive been playing for 10+ years now and ive never ever copied a single design and just keep making my own retardationam i good? nobut do i have fun?also no
>>573179851I've gone further and banished myself from using any mechanic that would inadvertently become aware of from someone else, there are so many different ways about solving problems that if someone is copying existing solutions (which are often very sub-optimal btw), as opposed to this, anyone that even glances at my designs can immediately tell this must either be a result of clinical insanity or some sort of incomprehensible alien technology
>>573179686isn't this the guy with the obnoxious AI generated twitch alerts? why even do this
>>573179851>>573180236I never bothered making a "mall" until I saw KatherineOfSky do it and it was such an obviously good idea that I usually end up making something similar at some point. I don't copy any blueprints or anything and always try to figure out the layout from scratch but the concept is a very good idea.
>>573179774damn anon you're so cool
>>573180357>with the obnoxious AI generated twitch alerts?Never heard of such a thing, I don't think so.
>>573180415wtf kind of "concept" is that supposed to be?using your ressources to build entities with other entities? bazinga!
>>573180415i was asking chat gpt something and it told me what a mall is and it told me like yesterdayin 10 years i never knew what it wasits so easy to set and so useful altho i used to make them for logistics networks to build but now i make it early
>>573180415>mallhuh?
>>573179686was hoping for an edited vid and not a full stream
>>573180596>>573180892It's when you make a special area dedicated to small quantity production for all the things you will be manually placing all in one little area so that you only have to go to one place to fill up your inventory. Like belts and variants, inserters and variants, power poles, structures, pipes, etc.The alternative is either going all over your base scavenging from existing production lines, or having belts coming from all over your base to one location.If you do it right you can easily expand the mall as you unlock more tech.>>573180997Can't help you with that, sorry.
>>573176746>manual combat is nerfedWell, they made the shotgun significantly stronger, so it's a trade-off
i necer do enrichmenti jisy use the 235 god gave me and shoot the steel chests filled with 238 and spent fuel cells
>>573180535it's literally right on the thumbnail: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pxwE1UUpA44/maxres2.jpgimagine having to listen to this for 7 hours: https://youtu.be/pxwE1UUpA44?t=2425twitch watchers really are something else
>>573183172You should watch 5 minutes of Artosis playing Brood War if you think that's bad.
>>573182997your nukes bro?
>>573180892Here's a mall I made when I was in my Nilaus phaseFeed the stuff from the left, and it all filters down to make basically every item you need to build a baseAll of the chests are logistics chests filtered for the specific output item, and the inserters are controlled by the combinator on the lower left to only make certain amounts of items
>>573183287He said what he said
>>573183290I am vomit.
>>573183172that's not a twitch alert
>>573183390Hey man, after a couple hours designing it, I can place it down in my base and have everything I needThat is, after I spend about 45 minutes manually placing down every assembler, belt, and inserter, then hoping I didn't fuck something up while I was doing so
I handcraft most shit from intermediate items I steal from chests until I get logistics network, then I plap down the bot mall and forget it exists so I still handcraft shit.
>>573172747>Looks neat, whatever it does.In short, it selects the cheapest research among researches I can afford to make any progress on.At length, labs in 2.1 only tell you what the current level of the current research is, so the bottom right is an iterator across all my research symbols, the top right is a memory cell which stores every research with its current level, the top left runs those researches through their scaling formulae to produce the cost of the next level for each research.The bottom left filters the research pack requirements against the contents of belts to get a list of things we can make progress on, and the center uses that to get a subset of research costs from which we pick the lowest. Finally, if the cache is smaller than the iterator then the iterator controls research, selects each research type in sequence, which builds the memory cache, and then switches over to the price selector choosing research which also keeps the cache updated.Thus, I'll never have to manually select research again!Except that a minor tick delay can assign the wrong level to the wrong research signal and cause the whole thing to go spastic..
>>573185845Damn, that's pretty deep.
Favorite feature from 2.1 so far: vehicle direction snapping. It's more subtle than the mod used to do but it's plenty good enough that now I won't need that mod even when it updates for 2.1.
>>573074680> tripwire AOE mine defenseGod damn it. Anon, I salute you - you sordid little blackhearted sadist. May your biters lain low be many.
>>572949597Can you stop putting "Endfield" in your shitty OP I'm tired of this thread popping up
>>573076410You did it, you crazy bastard!
I did it, I finally made a satisfying air+ground vehicleIt doesn't have any special modules or features and the thrusters are a bit weak (sometimes it can't decide if it wants to take off at all) but unlike my Robocraft hybrid vehicles it's actually surprisingly tanky, despite its frame made out of some internal beams and glass. It clings to walls and has shielding on all sides, it doesn't get stuck on anything (unlike the game's prefab planes which I couldn't fly at all) and it's just all around fun.I hear they might nerf the big shields though.
>>573187491here's a fun factthe OP contains "hsg"
>>573095738>BY THE POWER OF THE POWER>too much repetitionNo such thinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x-9c7OGCJ8
>>573118829It's true, but it accumulates floating rounding errors over distance if you snap place additional foundations to it.You have to hold CTRL the entire time you place any foundation to force-align it to the integer-safe global grid.This automatically triggers the tile placement at ground level and you then need to then lock it in place with another key, and raise it up to the right level with PGUP. For every individual foundation. You cannot zoop.#coffeestain-moment
>>573188445>floating point errorsI'm getting sick of this shit. Fixed point is fine for almost everything in video games. I know the GPU wants floating point, but you can just convert at the last minute.
>>573188445Btw. this is probably the reason for the 'randomly' failing connections on wall and floor pipe holes.I had it happen with a floor pipehole which - whatever I tried, dozens of times, just wouldn't connect.Until I took out the foundation tile on which the pipehole was placed, replaced the foundation using CTRL to re-snap to the global grid forcefully, then locked the hologram, nudged it into place, etc. etc. - reconstructed the pipehole; and voilà: it worked, first try.Cumulative rounding error.It's a bitch.
>ERROR YOUR IP RANGE HAS BEEN BANNED>ERROR YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UPLOAD PICTURES>ERROR YOU HAVE MISTYPED THE CAPTCHA>ERROR SOMETHING HAPPENED>>573183704>not mixing both production and self-reproduction while respecting the correct ratios all the waydo you just hate actual gameplay or what? every time I see circuits users it's to try and get rid of gameplay mechanics because they don't want to bother
i'll tell you what happened, even the site is tired of your shit
>correct ratios>for mall"Yes please I'd like 1.5 medium power poles per second" - statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
>>573190792mod, kill him
>>573192136then you're just admitting assembling time is irrelevant since expansing is not continuous, therefore, by your own admission, a mall is functionally useless, since you can handcraft nearly everything faster than you can realistically build it
>>573192549
>>573192728don't you have belts to balance? just add more when you run out
>>573156152That dumb shit has dropped me into pits so many times by eating my slide jump.>>573173019Slide jumps scale with all of that, dummy.
>>573192136it's imperative that he crafts an assembler's worth of power poles
>>573188445>For every individual foundation. You cannot zoopDo it for one then zoop off of it. Repeat. Surely you're not going to have meaningful floating point errors over a space of ten foundations.
Finally some fucking peace of mind. I don't normally do this but these biters have been nuts and there aren't any nearby chokepoints or cliffs
>>573188445>>573194538I would think zooping would be implemented so as to "suspend" the errors, placing all of the zooped foundations at coordinates calculated from the piece to which the zoop was snapped rather than each prior one. "r(A)+n*sizeof(B)" rather than "r(A+n)+sizeof(B)."
some will pretend this isn't the ugliest setup you've ever seen, not even the pole placement is symmetricalit's slightly more compact, but at what cost? it doesn't even fit on a grid anymore
>>573195662>only makes blueprints>doesn't ever build a factory
>>573195662Also you're going to have to backload the iron plates which will make it look even worse
>>573195980>but I did have breakfast>>573195986>stray wiresI am vomit
>>573196527>knows about breakfast but not about sushi or belt weavingngmi
>>573196701take your "smoothie" pipe and stick it up your ass
how come the hydrogen atoms are getting sent unbound?
>>573070538requester chest requesting one (1) egg that gets disabled once I have enough production modules to avoid them hatching if the output's full
>>573197496Do you expect us to decode that entirely from this one screenshot?
>>573198017kinda, it has a bind signal right after dropping the left one and once it outputs it it only sends the right one
>>573198164those bind symbols have '-' in themso that's probably your hintalso you could, like, read all the English words in that screenshot, and you should find exactly what you're doing wrong.
>>573198716FUCK nigga I thought I was being diddy- I mean witty trying to use one reactor
I remember it being more difficult to make a set/reset latch before. Either I got smarter or they changed the way OR / AND can be grouped in the combinator.I don't need the Else but it makes it easier to color an indicator light.
>>573202613seems to work
Interesting MineMogul discovery that will never be useful: passing pipes through a cluster breaker will reduce them back to plates.
>>573177574In Space Age you should be able to grow your own trees once you hit Gleba. I never actually bothered myself but I think it should help with pollution.
>>573206023Oh yeah forgot about that. Should help a lot. Once I get to gleba.
why the fuck would I care about how my factory looks retard?does it produce the correct number of items?
Autonauts has some truly horrific UX. You literally can't see what tier of components a bot has other than visually knowing the models. I'm about to start a goddamn spreadsheet to track this shit. Or maybe I'll just stop playing it. The fuck.
>>573176746thank fuck maybe we won't need a shitload of artillery now
Spaceships
>>573206860Did it really take you nearly 90 minutes to realize you posted this in the wrong thread and board?
>>573190792lol
>>573206860>You literally can't see what tier of components a bot hasWhat? They literally->other than visually knowing the modelsMy niggaThere are only 4 tiers to remember, and those silly (in my objective opinion) variants are entirely optional if you're struggling. Your memory cannot be this bad
>>573209512That's twelve models to know and to zoom in on while the bot is humping another bot or hiding inside a tree or whatever. There is no defense against an argument that it should be shown in the bot's UI panel and you are a tremendous boy-molesting fruit for not simply admitting that.
>>573209883Holy fuck! Twelve items?!I'm going to advocate for not showing it in the UI specifically because you are this angry about it. Stop playing the game if your disability is really hindering you that much
>>573206860Realistically this is a problem to automate away by having a bot upgrade all bots to maximum available level.>>573210092>U MADStop projecting. That's probably the eighth stupid frustration in a game full of stupid frustrations.
>>573210092>ignoring the other half of the sentenceA disability is you. And then Anon was a faggot.
>>573210443Considering the outburst about fruity homos on being told he (you?) has a bad memory I'd say he's angry. I agree about the upgrade automation, it's implicit that you're supposed to do that considering you'll already be automating bot production by the time you're thinking about mass upgrades
>>573209883Sounds like a shitty game.
>>573210713On the contrary, it's completely reasonable for someone to want to optimize their basic production line down to half as many bots before automating bot production.>muh outburstYou were acting like a faggot and got called one. Deal with it.
i never beat it because they didn't let you type in the scratch code or copy/pasteno, getting the database halfway through the game does not counti beat the pirate version though
>>573211101You can copy/paste within a program and you can copy/paste an entire program. The fact that you can't simply gain instructions to drop into programs by having taught them to a bot is what is retarded.
>>573208805Damn man the signs were there
>>573211089>BeforeNot really? That seems kinda backwards considering automated bots is something you should aim for very early on, THEN followed by upgrades. I think we just have very different playstylesEither way you're probably not getting a new UI since there's been no content updates for nearing 4 years, have fun mister angry homoman
>>573211478Early on it would take four fucking bots to automate bot production. At a point where you can be running less than 20 and with upgrades can reduce it down to 10-15. If you have any competency at all at the kind of programming the game asks for, you will realize that the memory space is less than one upgrade away from combining two bot's tasks into one bot and will want to make that happen as soon as possible.
>stirling engines run 24/7>if i run backup turbines surge electrolyzers die out during lack of wind>if i run them as regular standard they "waste" steam/nitrogen battery when strilings alone could handle itgrug confused
>>573179590the pollution is metal shavings and microplastics entering the enviroment.imagine how much metal you take off a sheet of iron to make some gears, you dont get any of that back, the engineer literally just dumps that shit out the back of the assembler.
started playing spacechem today so I could unlock the fishcake in tf2
>>573215003>imagine how much metal you take off a sheet of iron to make some gearsI assumed it was all origami.
why the fuck does nullius not have ghost entities on destruction
>>573226183https://github.com/GregorSamsanite/nullius/pull/125/changesree
>install space engineers>look at files>gamedata music is xwm and wavs>bonus soundtrack is all wavsprobably half of the install size is musicthe fuck
>>573228284Unfortunately, the devs are the wrong type of space engineers.
>>573228284wait until you play it>max speed is 100 meters/sec, even in space>view distance is a few km at most, even in space
>>573228545>100m/sThis fucking incinerated me lmao. And then when you mod it higher the collisions have zero interpolation capacity.
>>573228826yeahI put the game down forever after getting to space and realizing they put zero effort into making the space part
>3 years in development>runs at 20 FPS on my 2070 rendering a cylinder and a blue sphere>most of the GUI is imgui because they don't know how to program one>turning on any thrusters or RCS freezes the game because the particles are so laggy>no missions shipbuilding or anything>planet doesn't even have terrain or collision>no working multiplayer either since they haven't designed anything in their engine with a server in mindthis is more pathetic than ksp 2 lmao I'm going to use opengl and jolt physics and make it myself
>>573228913Space came first though, I still remember the /seg/gies melting down over blaneds
>>573228913>they put zero effort into making the space partIt's all in the foundations of the game.Used to be about you in the middle of a dense asteroid field. You couldn't really go fast without impacting a rock.
>>573229335>Space came first though>>573231857>It's all in the foundations of the game.Not surprised. Like the other Anon said, the devs are the wrong kind of engineers.
>>573206860it looks like "My first automation game" what did you expect
>>573180357>isn't this the guy with the obnoxious AI generated twitch alerts? why even do thisAs far as twitch streamer's go he's one of the better ones. You're probably thinking of Artosis
>>573235690It looks like they wanted to do some cutesy shit. But it has scripting as its core automation which most automation games do not.
>[space-age] Disallow quality modules to be applied to crushers with asteroid reprocessing recipes.grim.What's the gacha trick now?
>>573235945there's that one recent game where you give bots commands and you can even script their behaviour in code but an anon already said that it's kinda ass, I can't even find it anymore partly thanks to steam bundling the sea of incremental slop in the automation category
>>573237202>can't even find it anymoreSounds like either Desynced or Icaria
>>573229206what's that, Juno?
>>573239461>Icariayes it was Icaria, thank you>already at only 50% positive reviewsyikesI did see Desynced while searching and it looks more promising, I might try the demo to see what the RTS part is like
>>573209398what about it? scared of ratios?
>>573226724>>573226183man they should just add a setting that gives you this from the start
>>573240821retard alert!
>>573237042you're playing the game every day, you have thousands of hours, I think it's time to support the devs if you want those pngs, cheepskate
>>573237042Grind the productivity researches so you can get to the 300% prod limit in foundries and EM plants. If you have 300% prod for blue chips in an EM plant for instance then recycling them involves 0 resource loss so you can make a loop that just spins blue chips and upgrades them. You can then take the legendary blue chips and further recycle them directly into legendary intermediates that you use to make other legendary items from the ground up.Similar shit can be said for LDS shuffle with prod research. Nothing new basically, people already knew and used these methods in 2.0 as well even though generating legendary ores in space was an option. Now that it isn't anymore you'll just have to lean on them even harder. For certain things you can't get out of blue chips or LDS, mostly legendary materials from other planets, you will have to grind for them in "normal" recycling or upcycling loops, the same as in 2.0 basically.
>>573241037yes, only retards and "people with OCD" try to play the game by its rules, the rest just copy-pastes blueprints that uses circuits to program a new game before smugly posting their (heavily fluctuating) production graphs on reddit
>>573240650rocketwerkz new game with the original ksp devs on the team
https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting/comments/1up5694/this_farmer_commutes_15km_to_his_banana/
>>573218326I thought all the promo integration shit would be deprecated by now
>>573240794>see what the RTS part is likenon-existent
>>573244661I disagree, it can be *made* more RTS-like, if one is so inclined.Things like using runners for delivery, while keeping the other frames for combat, Transport Bot notwithstanding.Multi-socket buildings can slot both the fabricator, and the robotic assembler to build the equipment.The chief obstacle is the lack of predefined buildings, which can be rectified by putting together the necessary blueprints.I'd argue, however, that as far as RTS elements go, it's much closer to Warzone 2100 / Earth series, where you have modular units.As opposed to something like Total Annihilation, or the Westwood model, aka the Command & Conquer series.And indeed some of the stuff is lackluster, but programmable behaviors do make up for it, at least to an extent.
>>573245156I'd argue as far as RTS elements go, it's much closer to Factorio's AAI Automated Vehicles mod than a real RTS. The enemy on default settings is just a static obstacle a la Rail world. With aggressive enemies they expand and attack your base the way biters do, without a hint of intelligence or strategy, no economy to compete over resources with, no high-value targets to assault, no intelligence gathering, research progression, unit variety.
>>573244661good lol I suck at RTS
>>573229206Looks like ksp with custom ui lol
>>573208805>>573211384>fat lesbians ruined my gameDo chuds really
>>573249818Well they certainly didn't help
>>573249881I would assume engineering to be separate from bmi, sexual orientation and many other traits. But that's boomer thinking and really out of fashion this decade.
>>573250579Considering it important to willfully signal such things through one's appearance is probably correlated decently strongly against the kind of critical thinking and intelligence necessary for high performance in engineering tasks. Being fat is less strongly correlated but with lack of impulse control that would indicate less practice and less developed skills.
>>573251057No need to overcomplicate itEmpirical evidence existsFat lesbians DO ruin every single game they touch. Doesnt matter why, they just do
>>573249818I'm fairly sure those are troons anon.Maybe not axewounds, but still mentally ill and clinically retarded.KSP & it's sequel got kinda unlucky as far as it's dev teams go.
>>573251743Idk bout the sequel but the first game is pretty good so ill just skip the second then
>>573251859I think there's genuinely no reason to play the second>Performs even worse than the first releases>Visual improvements on par with mods for 1 that have been around for years>Long lost of planned features 1 didn't have that weren't included on launch...>...and never will be because the studio got gutted then completely closed>Even if the IP gets bought/freed, would be easier to start again (again) on a new codebase (which is what should have been done in the first place)
i cant find coal or stone but i found like100 million of iron and copper fuck me i need to switch to solar
did they turn down oil frequency since 1.1 or is it just me? that along with biter expansion group size>>573225278ok but why have you copy-pasted my refinery setup and added useless circuits? you know pumps have a built-in mechanical priority, right? or is that something they gutted during the fluid system refactoring?
>>573255051>he is entirely oblivious
>>573254223there must be more to life
>>573255994don't make me count these by hand just so I can tell you the ratio is wrong
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2731030/Algolemeth/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/871930/GLADIABOTS__AI_Combat_Arena/
>>573256832252:210
Ratios don't matter if you just overbuild.
>>573257993I don't even know where to begin>>573262374enjoy your unpredictable deadlocks and race conditions, merely mitigated by even worse engineering: negative feedback loops (aka belt balacing)they don't call it stalltorio for no reason
>>573262606A non-issue if you just build even more.
>>573262713of course, why fix your stalled factory if you can just build another one, that'll just also stall at some indefinite point in the future?
>>573256832>the ratio is wrongIt's 0,9920634921 correct.Also there's nothing to balance, overproduction is entirely self-contained, solar panels just idle for 0,0079365079 of their max uptime.
>>573255994>waah i cant find coal>builds solar ON TOP OF COAL
>>573263219Anything up to the point where the accumulators can store all the energy a solar panel produces in a day and at least enough accumulators to provide your average power draw for one night is the correct ratio. So that means there's infinite correct ratios.
>>573263219a fixed yet wrong ratio will only get less and less efficient in absolute terms as you scale, you're better off making discrete (floored) step calculations to approach the theoretical ratio asymptotically, you can then reduce the resolution as you scale, since you'll only get closer and closer until the resolution is of the size of the sample, then you'll be optimal
>>573262374>>573262606the ratio is 25:21it's not off by much
>>573263349that deposit is too small for my needs
>>573263551a ratio of 1000:1 or 1:1000 is functionally equivalentmaybe a food analogy for our local mouthbreathers: putting too much water in your wine or too much wine in your water is equally retarded
>>573263645In this case optimal ratio requires low enough number of components to just blueprint once and integer upscale forever.
>>573263775you're killing me hereyou see this is exactly the kind of smug redditor mindset that I just will never understandyou've came up with an answer that is both wrong, and clearly did not come from you, because no one in their right mind would have made it up like this, if they spent even one second trying to do the maththis is like talking to AI slop generators, nothing is true or correct, everything is just a correlation of pseudo "facts", dilluted over time, word of mouth, and your limited attention spanbtw even it its own terms and for its own purposes, as far as "rule of thumb" simplified ratios go, this on is especially retarded, for one it's limited by supply rather than storage, so your power will not be continous (26:22 would be a surplus while being actually closer), and second of all, it's not even a particularly efficient middle-ground, it's like someone once pulled something out of their ass without thinking much about it, and ever since, legions of redditors have been parroting it without ever asking themselves if they really understood what they were doing (of course they're not)
>>573264185let's see your "correct ratio" blueprint (just for laughs)if I see panels mixed with accumulators on the same substation, you've already failed at optimal compactnessin fact, you cannot effectively "point scale" unless your blueprint is a complete mess or pointlessly huge
>>573262785bro is building a factory like his children are gonna inherit it
how much miner efficiency till miners become 1:1 with smelters? assume no modules in the smelters
>>573263879>waah i cant find coal>builds solar ON TOP OF COAL>"that deposit is too small for my needs"
>>573265872you can just direct insert even if they're not 1:1 as long as you just add more when you run outthe less you think and plan and the more you build the betterer
>>57326587230% gets you so where you need more than 1 electric smelter per miner, assuming you mean electric miners
>>573266208>average barely-cognizant calculator user when it come to dividing 2 simple numbers, before coming up with a comically wrong result, not even stopping to think whether what you just said made any sense, and immediately sharing your answer for upboats
>>573266208perfect so.i can 1:1 miners and smelters now thank you
>>573265872What do you mean? A Nauvian or a Vulcanian miner?
and so the cycle of ignorance continues... like potterynot sure what's more comical between this and the fact this guy needed someone to give him an answer to know whether his furnaces were working full time
You’re making me cringe
>>573266909>A Nauvian or a Vulcanian miner?
>>573264361>you see this is exactly the kind of smug redditor mindset that I just will never understandIronic
>>573266909i didnt even leave nauvi yet ive yet to see space kekim trying to unfuck my green chips and trying to.setet up a whole dedicated factory for green chips only to realize 24 copper smwlters provide enough for barely 10 green chips
>>573264361nigga really wrote the entire plot of lotr because i said 25:21 instead of 26:22
the devs intentionally did thisthry could've made solar 1:1 but they're evil
>>573267720Was making a Monty Python reference."Nauvian" miner is the one you start with, aka normal one. FYI the starting planet is Nauvis.'Vulcanian" is the big miner, and I mixed up again the prod bonus with the chance to not consume the underlying ore per cycle.Still, big miner can stack it's output, greatly boosting the belt's throughput, which could be important if you're not doing direct insertion.
I overbuild accumulators intentionally and there's nothing ratioshitters can do about it.>>573267847The lack of functional literacy among young people is a genuine threat to society's future.
>>573267847stop baiting me into feeding your lack of reading comprehension>>573267461hopelessly wrong vs hopelessly correctone is about easy upboats from anyone who doesn't know better, anything is bringing the seethe of everyone around you when you point out their flawsI'm a martyr, really
>>573268192they could have made it so every building had a slider for its speed and you could research a technology that adjusted them all automatically so that you're alway producing an exact amount of science packs
>>573264361>>573268571Who let the r*dditor in here?
>>573267461It’s not that I didn’t expect a 4chin autist thread to not have these people but it’s easy to underestimate how insufferable and cringe they are
>>573268571being a Dunning-Kruger case does sound miserable
>>573268716I have been arguing about this issue in this very thread for longer than you've known the game, I even made a TeX chart back in the days in a vain attempt to make them understand why the denominator of the ratio is squared before of the differential, but no matter how hard you try, they just will never try to play the game, all they care about is making tetris in circuits which "blew my mind" and direct inserting everything, with zero gameplay
>>573268571>>573268571no one asked tho redditor
>>573269028nice buzzword, got any more? an argument maybe? unfortunate
its 1:1 btw
>using solar in the first place
>>573269546but muh ups
>>573269640Sounds like a you problem. I haven't gone below 60 since whichever update was in 2018.
>>573269439I'm not trying to have an argument with you I'm just calling you an idiot
lets get an average of the threadon average what is your solar ratio?
>>573269640every time that I try and forget about the evils of bad gameplay, they manage to remind me of something even worseis there anything more soulless than optimizing according to meta constraints like the bad case of memory wall that this game suffers from?even when you're not trying to fix the bug of Wube maths, you're dealing with the consequences of Wube programmingit's like self-flagellation at this pointthey forgot the first rule of content consumption: never put more thoughts into something that the one who designed it
>>573270030"I accept your concession" as they say
>>573270132with or without quality?>>573270276some people just like to push things to their limit but I suspect that many players use UPS saving tricks well before they are about to get performance issues just because people like parroting shit they've read online
Please leave your thoughts without the gay soliloquy every single time
>>573270395yeah idiots do say things like that, you are doing well
i havent looked up anything about space age but i just got to a rocket siloive no clue whats gonna happen i cant wait
>>573271121Hope you have fun!! The game really opens up once you create a space platform.
>>573271121I'm genuinely excited for you, anonThe other planets really open up whole new ways to think about the game
>>573271301>>573271356thanks ladsi havent played since the dlc came out out of fear id get addicted
>>573270132Whatever I can fill in a roboport build square to make a tileable blueprint..
so can you really just leave solar undefended? or will expansion parties go for them?
>>573271773Only if they get in the way which they probably will
>>573271927im gonna get nuclear and stop this humiliation ritual
>>573271121Don't go to the lava planet first. There's big scary monsters there.
>>573271487I will tell you one mistake that I made my first time, so that you don't make a similar mistake, which caused me to abandon the game for a whileYou do not have to start each planet over completely from scratch.You can drop cargo (like miners, assemblers, etc) from your spaceship down to a planet.It is possible to start completely from scratch, but it is difficult and not needed.
>>573272163thanksguess i'll set up logistics to send supples to space and drop them before i land
>>573272103I haven’t used it since like my third save when I had a blackout and got partially overrun due to solar being so pathetic. These days I just dedicate an entire patch of coal to power until I get nuclear. Boiling water all the way
>purple science
>>5732701320:0 on planets (solar = big gay)1:0 on early platforms (solar power, no accumulators because space)0:1 on later platforms (fission power, accumulators for laser turrets)
>>573272487>dedicate an entire patch of coal to power until I get nuclearThis is the way
>>573272724Accumulators for laser turrets are pretty bad, so that should be 0:0
>>573272306>drop them before i landBeats dropping them after and getting crushed by a blind-dropped cargo pod, for sure.But the only thing you really need to blind drop is a landing pad. Once you build it somewhere, you can safely drop the rest of your cargo (+ anything you produce on the platform) into it.
>>573273861drop pods do not cause damage on landing
>>573275045I’ve been killed by one
excited! i was scared and thought i'd need to build the old victory rocket lol
oh wow the rocket can't carry much
>>573277864Yeah, you're going to be launching a lot of rockets over the course of the gameBut they made the rockets a lot cheaper than they were in vanilla, so it's not that bad overall
Think I'll play some spage today.
>>573179245quin69 factorio attempts
>>573277864Arbitrary limitations on items devs think you should be producing in space or other planets. They can carry a lot of science packs and a few select resources meant for export.
ANON QUICKShow us a screenshot of your lab setup
holy shit the space platform is so coool
>>573194553Wouldn't it be easier to kill those tiny nests than defend from constant waves of attacks?>>573270430Whoa>>573278578>spagePic related is my solar so far. It's not optimal but it's compact. The ratio approaches 20:18 solar/batt as the size of the patch increases.Eventually I'll switch to nuclear but I had to do something to stop burning up all my coal.
>>573208805I can see the resemblance.
>>573282104Dosh made pretttier butterflies.
>>573264361What's a smug redditor mindset? It's hard for me to understand where these kind of posts come from since I seem to be one of the only people on 4chan that doesn't use reddit.
>>573269640Get a better CPU If you won't pay for an X3D you don't deserve UPS
>>573270430Very artistic
>>573255051>ok but why have you copy-pasted my refinery setup and added useless circuits?Okay FIRST I didn't "copy-paste" your refinery setup. It's the obvious way to arrange oil refineries with mirroring and flipping. You don't own, like, the copyright on the obvious refinery setup, MAN.And SECOND, the circuits are just R/S latches to prevent machines rapidly turning on/off and causing flicker because that would be unpleasing.And THIRD, here's MY setup for blue circuits. It's true, I'm not using underground weaving. Know why? Because I haven't automated undergrounds yet. Also there is infinite space on this planet so I don't need to make it compact. I just needed a few blues for robo legs and the power armor, ALRIGHT?
Land mines are absolutely underrated for stopping biter expansions, just spam them in no mans land and the expansion parties will keep blowing up. At some point there won't be enough mines to blow them all up so a few will make it through and make a really sad biter base that blocks all further expansions.
>>573282668Reddit has a post rating system which encourages people to fill their posts with unnecessary/melodramatic/performative bloat (exactly like the post you’re replying to) which is very gay. Midwits are impressed by that behavior and will rate the post positively.
>>573282104>to stop burning up all my coalI usually go coal -> solid fuel -> nuclearSolar is just too expensive early game
>>573284053This, but I don't even bother with solid fuel, I just rush nuclear personally
>>573284053I'm playing on Marathon (4x research cost) so I'm still working on unlocking nuclear.
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Auog_Trains?from=updatedhehauog drawn carriages
>>573249818Skinny ones too, look at Homeworld
>>573284053I go coal->green modules->nuclear. The module unlock is super cheap and cuts your power usage by 60-80% meaning the existing coal infrastructure will last long enough until nuclear, it removes all pollution except for those downscaled coal boilers, and it's much cheaper to implement both time/resource and space-wise than solar+accumulators.
>>573285783In my new 2.1 base, I'm trying to use modules a lot more than I have beforeThey always seemed like needless complications to me beyond just "labs get prod and speed beacons"
I do have a mod to rigidify constructs quite a lot more than vanilla, but I still worry I've built a spring. Guess I'll find out, and then I may have add some more reinforcing sections at the bottom.I've got Helium3 fever. This is for powering a massive mining base on Minmus.
>>573265754"bro" is not a third person pronounimagine not engineering a good solution in the engineering game"it werks" isn't engineering
i just realized i wont be able to come back when i go to another planetfor that reason im gonna set a requester chest next to my rocket and use it to ship things to space then to me i should stock up on stuff the bots will need like chemical plants and crafters
>>573287398FYI the tank has a huge equipment grid and can deploy bots and can be operated remotely. It's a great way to keep things going from another planet before you get the Spidertron.
>>573287631wait how do i move it remotely?
>>573288037the same way you would a train
>>573288037You have to be in Remote View (map view) and then it's a big button that is available when you click on the tank.You can put a lot of player equipment in the Tank's grid too: solar, batteries, portable roboport, ENERGY SHIELDs, and the belt immunity device. Portable nuclear power when you get it.Tanks are probably over-powered in the early-mid game.The equipment in the tank's equipment grid (not inventory) stays put even when you pick up the tank, so you can fully equip a tank and then launch it to another planet.
>>573288680was this always a thing or just SA
>>573288680why is your gamma so high
>>5732887632.0 improvement
>>573287398>i wont be able to come back when i go to another planetYou can if you put enough supplies onto your ship to make a Rocket Silo and a rocket to launch, then drop it to the new planetYou need quite a few launches to do it (10 for the concrete alone) but it's very doable.
>>573288763Not sure when they added it, it hasn't always been a thing but I'm not sure if the base Factorio got it too at some point.>>573288892Factorio is way too dark on my monitor. Other games are fine. I use ReShade with a tonemapping shader to make it look correct for me. Daytime is bright now and night time is still dark.
pretty sure remote tank driving requires the logistics network upgrade research which is space science
>>573289061nope, I don't have any of that research done and I can remotely drive tanks
>>573287335If so, then that just makes it a noun."Kevin" is building a factory like his children are gonna inherit it."Sir" is building a factory like his children are gonna inherit it."Lord" is building a factory like his children are gonna inherit it."Bro" is building a factory like his children are gonna inherit it.Keep your mouth off my language.
>>573289402You've listed proper nouns followed by "bro." False equivalence. Moron.
>>573289061It requires a personal roboport in order to see, otherwise it can only operate within radar coverage.
>>573289402>>573289561That usage of "bro" is replacing "he." It's not just slang. It's contravening existing grammar entirely. To say that that's alright is like saying that "Who bitch this is?" is alright.
>>573287335That entire sentence of his is zoomer nog slang. Why are you wasting your time on it?
>>573291127No it isn't. You seem mindbroken.
>>573290342>It requires a personal roboport in order to seeI didn't know that. I guess I assumed it always had to be within radar.
>>573289561Sir is only a proper noun when you use it as one. Bro is a title if I use it as a title and give it to someone. That's how the language works.EXAMPLE:Bitch, shut up.
>>573293445>Bro is a title if I use it as a title and give it to someone.That's not how it's being used. You know this. It's time to stop.
is it worthwhile to set up iron plate production in space? maybe for specific planets i didnt discover yet?
>>573294081Not at this stage, you would need copper as well.
>>573294081Around other planets, and on the way to them, there will be large asteroids that will run into and damage your platformsThey can be broken down into small asteroids (that your platform can grab) with turretsSo you may want to have some small iron plate and ammo production on your ships, or instead just have a bunch of ammo stockpiled before you leave.Nauvis is safe, you never have to worry about large asteroids there.But large-scale iron plate production is not necessary, in my experience
>>573293734I am giving a person the partial title of "my brother"What else could it possibly mean?
>>573294526>>573294767thanksi fucking cant sleep im too excited
still having fun after 45 hours! try it anons - its free!
>>573294924play factorio to exhaustion then
why does everyone talk about ups now? is it redditors trying to sound smart or is space age badly optimized?
>>573294767Didn't want to spoil too much but it's nice to have on Gleba, you can avoid the bacteria shit by dropping plates from orbit.
you're telling me a steel smelted this furnace
>>573296370It's very well optimized. It's nerds trying to sound like they built a giga factory.I have an older computer and Factorio doesn't even make the fans spin up even when I've had huge factories on multiple planets and lots of space platforms.
>>573296370regardless of how optimized the game is, you can only fit a finite number of calculations through your cpu per second, and there's nothing stopping you from building more and more and more inserters and tiles and trains and circuits and splitters and beltsSo, if you're designing part of your factory for scaleability, it makes sense to design in a way which provides the greatest output per used ups, in an abstract sense, even if you won't ever actually use up all of your ups and could therefore not bother. It provides another metric by which the players may optimize, if they choose to, and they are choosing to.
>>573295375whats this robocraft copypaste
why cant i use logistics bots in space reeee
>>573296370UPS used to be a problem with certain mods (I imagine it still is) and even vanilla. I don't know why it's being brought up so much in current year when the game runs very smoothly.
>>573297576they need air to fly around
>>573297576they use jet propulsion
>>573296901>you can only fit a finite number of calculations through your cpu per secondJust copy-paste your CPU setup to double the throughput.
trains are pointless if you have enough belts
>>573296370my seablock came crawling to its knees at UPS death and so did my SEx run (i beat both, but had to swap over to being the host towards the end)meanwhile my nullius base that now is bigger than the seablockery runs at 4ms per update which is insaneseablock update when so I can test how it would run with the optimizations
>>573300469but then you're not using trains
>>573300469trains are pointless because mining on nauvis is pointless
>>573297495its called Procelioand its free!
>>573286830>the radiators are a teeeeeeny tiny bit longer than 5mGod damn it. Now I'm going to have to figure out exactly how much to clip them to make it fit.
>>573301370>Free>All Reviews: (74)Hi devs
>>573296370>is it redditors trying to sound smartProbably yes.>is space age badly optimized?I don't know about badly optimized per se, vs just slower because there's more shit, but it's objectively much more demanding than 1.x was.I used to play Factorio 1.x on a veritable toaster of a NUC (Braswell N3050), which I set up as a personal experiment in low-horsepower computing, and used as a primary desktop for way longer than I intended.Could beat the base game at 60 UPS, and I made it the whole way through Nullius with only minor drops below 24 UPS. (I used GTTS mod to speed the game up 2.5x and lock it to 24 FPS/UPS so it played at normal speed, aside from fluid throughput.)Then when Spage came out, I expected a base on every planet would be too much for the toaster, but was a little surprised to see it drop below 60 UPS on just the menu background simulations*. So anyway, I finally stopped procrastinating, built another PC (will eventually be upgraded to a 9somethingX3D and discrete graphics, but for now a lowly 8600G is perfectly adequate), and retired the NUC experiment.*They have made a bunch of optimizations to Spage since it launched, so this may no longer be the case.
No shame in shilling your game here, just be upfront about it and ask for feedback
namaste biter friendoi dont pollute! i smelt in space and use solar duuude
>>573295375yo
>>573305604had some good games today! this was one of themits a shame Porcelio isnt advertised more - it needs more players
>>573306593It got on the 'new releases' steam tab apparentlystill, I was surprised it was such a small game since it already felt better than old Robocraftit's so small that when you check the talk the devs are still pretty active compared to the playersI was trying mediguns today, easily the most contentious weapon in any game like this, still not sure how to feel about themthinking about trying a mine-bomber next
>>573307026>since it already felt better than old RobocraftThat's their secret: the project's been around as a Discord babby since before Robocraft 2 was even announced, it's been in development for a LONG time
>>573301634>cliprotate instead
>>573303457>I used GTTS mod to speed the game up 2.5x and lock it to 24 FPS/UPS so it played at normal speedbased, but now I wanna slow the game in half and lock my UPS at 120
>>573263879so put it on a train along with all the other "too small" ore patches and put them all somewhere else.
>>573281561max retard run, still fun, even if im limited by the 5 red science assemblers i started with.
what are we building
Am I being misled by it looking like a hot mess or does SpaceChem ramp up faster than other Zach games?
>>573329379>fasterI feel like last call BBS ramped up to 11 instantly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmGhJhJpNiM
>>573329624I think it is just appearance because I'm solving things fairly quickly. I didn't expect the main design problem to be collision of multi-looping paths.
>>573288763It was added in 2.0 when SA released, but you don't need to run SA to do it.
I hate puzzle games because when I'm stuck I have to take a break and come back and instantly solve something that took me 2 hours to try and do
>>573306593Fuck off already, it's getting annoying
>>573318228>5 red science assemblersThat's all you ever need.
How much U-235 do I need to start relying on nuclear
>>573338270I don't know the number but I've run nuclear power in a previous run before researching Kovarex Enrichment, so I'm pretty sure you don't need much.Once you get Kovarex and get a few enrichment facilities going, you're set for a very long time on a relatively small amount of Uranium.
>>573338270>>573338718Oh yeah forgot to mention: you can use circuits to regulate the inserter that feeds nuclear fuel into the reactor based on reactor output temperature. That can greatly reduce your nuclear fuel usage.
>make 1 per second science>realise its actually 0.5 crafting speed for default assemblers>decide to make level 2 assemblers my default and call 0.75 close enough instead of doubling my assemblers>replace all of them>brownoutoh..
>>573338270Four, ideally. Together with some steam storage. You can't utilize its full output anyway so run it in bursts.I would still recommend green modules instead, if you're far from the 800 blue science required, plus the cost of four reactors and heat exchangers to handle them.
>>573342662I thought this would be enough steel plate but I can't even sustain 3 blue and 3 purple factories, but if I'm going to make more I need more iron, but for more iron I need more drills, and for more drills I need more electricity...
morning /egg/sorry for bringing up such a sensitie topic like solar to battery ratios yesterday
>>573345592yeah it triggered my ptsd too
ive never used circuitscan you teach me how to set it so my space station doesn't overfill with iron and carbon?
>>573336058Make me, faggit
>>573347000if you have to ask the answer is no
>>573348250:(can you atleast tell me what else is good to leave on my tank in my absence? it wont be doing combat just managing the base
>>573347000>>573348691Wire your cargo hubYou need the hub to broadcast its inventory counts. Use red or green wire to connect the cargo hub to a decider combinator The hub now outputs signals like iron = 243, carbon = 1982Add a decider combinator for surplus detectionThis combinator decides when you have too much of a resource. Set condition: Each > 190 output Each This means: any item above 190 gets passed through Iron at 243? Output iron = 243 Carbon at 198? Output carbon = 1983Wire the combinator to your trash inserterThe inserter will only activate when surplus exists. Connect the combinator output to the inserter Set inserter mode: Enable when Anything > 0 The inserter now runs ONLY when at least one item is above your threshold4Set the inserter to filter the surplus automaticallyLet the circuit choose what item to throw away. Set inserter to Use circuit network for filters It will automatically filter whichever item is currently surplus No need to manually set iron/carbon filters5Send the surplus to space trashRoute the inserter output to your disposal belt. Connect inserter to a belt that leads to your trash ejection point Surplus iron/carbon gets thrown off the station automatically
>>573348723thanks anonhere i go testing it on the ground first
>>573115217>the optimum should be 3-wide for the machine, 1/2-wide for the shared pipe, 1-wide for the 3 inserters, 3/2 wide for the 3 inputs and outputs, totaling 6-wideez
>>573348723That seems way too complex for no reasonif >5 iron chunks in hub --> activate iron chunk inserter
>>573351231nta but the reason you want the combinator setup is because it'll handle every single material with one inserterhub only has so many adjacent tiles, so using one inserter for all overflow instead of one per material is nicei didn't actually read his whole post though the spacing annoyed me
I can't decide what to do about sulphur>ship iron plates to the oil plant and ship out sulphuric acid>pipe in water to make sulphuric acid in main processing with the sulphur and iron already thereI'm leaning towards shipping out sulphuric acid so I can have the train line all ready to go for uranium mining.
>>573347000The fun part is figuring it all out
>>573351059wait i can do betterit's 5.5 wide + 1 now
>>573348723>>573351231wow that was easier than i thought
>>573310903Don't see how that would fix it. What I meant was, the three (5m) radiators are slightly longer than the two (7,5m) tanks making up the other other two legs of the cross. As can be seen in the pic, that means the docking ports don't line up. Might solve it by just not connecting the radiators to the perimeter, and see if the tanks can resist the rotational moment alone. Later though, because right now I'm at work.
>>573353173i'll just uhh place one in this chest hereand then nuke it.
>>573356210okay trying to do nuclear with itwhy is the decider not counting the uranium on the belt?
>>573357221You need to configure the belt to do so
>>573357486oh set to hold not pulse
>>573338270>How much U-235 do I need to start relying on nuclearIf your only goal is power, one centrifuge processing ore full-time will provide enough fuel for one reactor, no reprocessing neededThree miners can feed that single centrifuge to maintain production rates, and those miners consume barely any sulfuric acidIf your goal includes nuclear fuel or bombs, that changes the math, but just making electricity has an insanely low infrastructure requirement
>>573359641>that filenameI'm holding myself back so hard in trying to not make a political reference
>>573360843what
>>573360843FUCK YOU now I can't unsee it
wait 1 fuel cell is enough for 30 minutes? and ive 300 for 2 reactorsso i got enough power for fucking 75 hours? really? wow what is the point of solar or anything kek
>>573361738Welcome to nukesEnjoy your stay
>>573361796guess i overshot my stockpile by having 100 u-235 kekill be making nuclear weapons then
>>573361738>wait 1 fuel cell is enough for 30 minutes?One crafting action, yeah, since it makes 10 fuel cells at once using one U235, and each one burns for 200 secondsI just rolled a random 2.1 default settings mapThe closest Uranium patch was 1.5 million oreAt a rate of 0.7% chance, that's 10,500 U235105,000 fuel cells at 200 seconds per reactor, and my normal starter base is 4 reactors1,458 hours of 480MW
>>573362646oh rightthanks for correcting me
>>573347000make constant combinator that has maximums for the shit you want to dumpdecider combinator:>each from constant combinator (green) above zero>AND>each from hub (red) above each from constant combinator (green)>output eachwire to inserter and enable set filters. inserter will dump everything when it goes over the limit you set in the constant. it won’t dump anything else
why did they make thruster pipes like that...
>>572952769
anyway to mass logistics empty turrets so they take new ammo?
>>573363740deconstruction planner with whitelist turret.ctrl+z
>>573363959wont that delete turrets?
I told myself that I would give spengies 2 a try when they added wheels to the game but now it has wheels and I might wait a bit longer.
im a smart engineercant i figure out what gas/substance is irritating the biters and change my designs not to release it...
>>573365101You can tune your machinery to minimise its release.
>>573365101Why do you care what the biters think? The factory must grow.
>>573282421>all of this text for someone who had never played KSPit was written on the wall
>>573365101but that is literally what the engineer does by implementing efficiency modules and switching their power production from coal
>>573359641>>573360843>>573361353I don't get it
>>573367278something something anon is 2 weeks away from developing nuclear capabilities something something
>>573353173All it takes is one and then your count will forever be skewed, until you make another mistake.
>>573367540>>573353173>>573356774Isn't there a mod called Orphan Finder for this exact purpose?
>2.1 is the megaultraQOL update>still no "upgrade entire belt line" or "remove entire belt line"
>>573367824i just at one point produce 3 bilion belts splitters and underground ones then make an upgrade blueprint and hope my grid doesn't explode from the 3 billion bots activating when i click the entire map
>>573338270Very, very little honestly. So little that it's always been trivial to me so I don't even know exactly how much.
finally at volcanusi packed a landing pad and some suppliesmeant to pack 100 accumulators but only brought 50 oopsi meant to bring 100 and 50 solars but i only brought 50 50thanks to that anon telling me to come prepared i can tell you could really fuck up coming here
>>573374058i am starting to realize i could've packed way better...
>>573374563Vulcanus is the easiest one to start without any prep. Check the new recipes.
>>573374770just wonderingcould you absolutely strand yourself?
>>573375591Only on AquiloWell and death spiraling on Gleba I guess but that can also happen on Nauvis
>>573374563You can send your platform back home to get supplies
>>573374058Solar on Vulcanus is 4x stronger than on Nauvis so 50 solar panels is plenty to get your base up and running.And as the other anon said, when a trigger technology unlocks (from mining a resource or crafting certain items) read the new recipes that are unlocked.That will point you towards the next step in growing your factory.
>>573347000probably suboptimal solution: i divided total belt capacity by 3 and, with deciders, set inserter filter to items, which are more on belt than that 1/3 of a belt. So, when there is more carbon than total_capacity/3, inserter starts throwing carbon over-bort. But like other anon said, whole fun is figuring solutions on your own..
>>573378010That's actually a very standard solution that people use to maintain their sushi belt in spaceGood job solving the problem!The other standard solution is to do the same thing, but apply the item filter to the asteroid grabbers instead of a yeeting inserterMy usage of that solution is a little more convoluted though, where I use a constant combinator outputting -200 of each asteroid, going to a decider that adds the values from the belt, and setting the output to anything less than 0I'm sure there's a better way to do it, but that's what makes sense in my brain and it's just one extra combinator
>>573361738I had no idea how nucular works and did overkill setup. I have disabled almost all centrifuges, i have little U238, so enrichment barely functions, but still I have so many fuel cells.. Also I planned to move setup to better location, after exhausting uranium patch, but I upgraded miners to Vulcan miners and looks like patch will be productive for sooo much longer.
>>573381096I always like seeing people's solutions to Kovarex reprocessingEverybody seems to have different ideas, and it's fun to see other designsAlso, that looks like a metric assload of nuclear fuel, very nice
>>573375591you can restart from zero on vulcanus fulgora and glebai dropped naked on fulgora and it was fun building it back up from scratch.
>>573381928>people's solutions to Kovarex reprocessingThere is sushi belt for U235 and I only take out uranium, if total count on belt is sufficient to kick all centrifuges. Took a while to collect starter amount, but after that all was easy
>>573381928I forgot how mine worked
>>573384823I wasn't told you could drop stuff manually outside of landing pad requests. Took until Aquilo to figure that one out.
>>573378701>That's actually a very standard solution is it engineering minds that think alike or just so few suitable solutions? After first smelter mess, i decided that i need some solution to have some control on layout - and why not to dedicate some space and put all output items onto long belt lines. Then I could take make isolated subfactories that takes from these lines and put outputs back. Only when I started using bot, I saw video describing main bus. Reinvented the wheel, i guess. >apply the item filter to the asteroid grabbers i did that with my first ship, I did not liked that, mainly because I had no material buffer (I enabled grabbers when I was low on processed items). Now I run one belt for processed items and one sushi belt for raw material (with slightly less items than total, so crushers could offload chunks back). And only enable crushers when I'm low on fuels. So, I always have full belt of raws and full belt of crushed items.
WAITI CAN USE FOUNDRIES ON NAUVIS? HOLY SHIT MY BRAIN IS RACINGAND I CAN USE THE NEW RECIPE FOR STEAM TOO? AAAA
Has anyone made a well-functioning aircraft that can hover or move very slowly—something that can remain above a target and bombard it?These “gas tanks” are a pain to build around because they are huge. Robocraft had helicopter blades, and they were my personal favorite for aircraft.I do not like winged aircraft because keyboard controls do not work well for me, and I cannot remap the controller. I hope they add full controller support at some point.
>>573387623Yes on the foundries, no on the steamOnly some fun allowed
>>573378010did you bring uranium to eoace or is there uranium in space
>>573387951why not? sulphoric acid and calcite seems easy?
>>573387790All my aircraft attempts end up being unstable after taking even minor damage I think something like an armor cage around small wings, rudders and thrusters could be more viable than pure lighter than air
>>573388097Because earendel likes knotted dildosLook at the recipe
>>573387976He mentioned "nucular" before in >>573381096Unclear whether that's referring to a mod of the same name, or if they're both retards misspelling nuclear it the same way.
>>573388217oh thats arbitrary...
>>573388354did you see how i misspelled space tho
>>573388354Centrifuges in Nucular are unlocked on Aquilo, so I doubt he's playing that
>>573387623>I CAN USE FOUNDRIES ON NAUVIS?Indeed. I know some players who rush Vulcanus and then rip up their entire furnace setup on Nauvis to replace it with FoundriesWith the built-in 50% production bonus of a Foundry it stretches your ore a lot further, and is easier to route to where you need itYou do need Calcite, but it's pretty easy to ship to Nauvis - 500 Calcite is 1 rocket and should last a while.As we said above, the new planets unlock lots of new ways to think about the game and improve your factories
>>573387976Nope, no U in space. I fill up ammo stock whenever I'm back to nauvis.
>>573388768thats a lot of rockets
>>573388871unnecessary ones, tooand probably can't leave the ship hanging around orbits other than nauvis
>>573388354You are a retard. "nucular" is a Simpsons reference.
>>573388153Hmm, that pretty much sums up my experience so far.The problem with winged aircraft is that I cannot zoom in or focus properly on ground targets because I have to keep paying attention to avoid crashing into something. Most maps have structures, mountains, or other obstacles, not to mention the height limit.
so what does nauvis do better? why not abandon it at one point?
>>573388624Just to emphasize what I said hereEven with just level 1 prod modules turning iron ore into iron plates, 75 ore per minute yields 200 plates, and consumes only 1.5 calcite per minuteAnd the ratios are even better for directly making gears or steel, since it consumes less molten iron
>>573389657BiolabAre you another one of those "Gleba last" scrubs
>>573389657>so what does nauvis do better?ScienceNauvis is the only place you can build Biolabs, with an inherent 100% speed bonus and 50% decrease in science packs consumption
>>573301634Alright, problem solved. Now all that's left is to figure out the most efficient way to launch all this shit into space and assemble it. I'm going to assemble it in orbit of Kerbin, and fly it to Minmus. Also, it just dawned on me that it has no reaction wheels, and thus won't really be controllable. I'm sure there's something else I've forgotten.
>>573389919no i just now landed on volcanus and seeing how good space is im wondering why even go back
>>573390524you also can't find uranium anywhere else
>>573390524Because of trees, lakes and home planet smell.
>>573389052Agree, I overstock. But ammo consumption is very low, so only initial load is costly. It takes few rockets to refill.
why is there no physical metal thrustingeg thrusting by ejecting metal at high speedi recall that being a thruster in terra invicta
>>573391020Ships are "supposed" t be self-sufficient by crafting yellow ammo in space. It's why they made bullets one of the heaviest items in the game for rocket deliveries.
someone out there went to another planet withour setting up an auto refilled logistics network for remote factory control and probably rage quit when the inevitable biters broke through
>>573391340Who cares, just reconquer laterWhat I really hate about the expansion is how you start out on Nauvis, so boring
>>573391340He should have 6 train tracks wrapped around his base with trains driving nonstop for maximum biter kills.
>>573391261Well, I made some trips between inner planets and haven't saw any space police yet. Probably I'll be ok with illegal ammo.
>>573387790Made a drone but it's very difficult to control accurately as theres very little air friction compared to robocraft. Gonna try some things later
>>573391527im sure theres a mod for that but having an officially balanced way to start on other planets sounds coonauvis needs more things to give whej you reach it though
>>573390147That's an impressive looking space station, anonI never got past the "Let's go visit the planets" stage of KSP
>>573388217what's wrong with knotted dildos
how many laser turrets are enough for asteroid defencei know theyre resistant but surely theres a number that does it
>>573393592small asteroids are least resistant to lasersdon't bother using lasers for anything else desuI guess you could have like 5 times as many lasers for medium asteroids but you'll need like 10 giga niggawatts just to shoot them
how do you power your station without solar? i imagine the frozen planet has no sun right?man all the problens i need to solve are cool
>>573393592Depends on how fast you want to go and how much laser damage/speed research you haveAvadii has an example of a laser ship with both at research level 6, flying at 100kpsLevel 12 damage gets you the max speed of 270kpsHe has 27 lasers at the front of the ship and a couple around the edges, powered by 2 nuclear reactorshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdir-vydqOY
Is it worth it to make red ammo on space platforms? I only see people making yellow ammo
>>573393762also small ones dont do damage nor can be shot dummyonly medium and above
FUCK big worms
2.1 official when?
>>573395223anon-kun....
my wife with adhd (medicated for it which is like ritalin) is gonna start the game tomorrowim going to take the executive decision of not installing space age for her so she learns easieri started this game centuries ago and it was way easier with way less science when i startedmy question is, what settings should i set to make sure she has a smooth experience?on the other hand her legal meth makes her laser focused so maybe she should play all raw with space age default?
>>573395765>she
>>573395561oh you meant those i thought you meant the chunks
>>573395895no really she
>>573395765Make a new save to play together
>>573396287i dont want to ruin the game with my knowledge for her
>>573396362If (big if) it's actually a woman then she'll be happy to have you show her around. Only dudes like being thrown into an autism simulator and left alone.
>>573395765>>573396362you absolute buffoon, play with her, if she wanted to do it all by herself you'd already have seen a base on her screen by now.it's a lady, not your dude bro friend, so be responsible - guide her, make it nice for her, don't reveal everything. stick to eg. power, make a fuckhuge solar array or something while she does the rest. get her crude oil once she gets to it, things like that.i suppose you know how ADHD works so if it works, great, if not, sorry mate keep on alone
>>573394871The frozen planet has 50% solar power in space, though most people go nuclear anyway. Single reactor, using ice water.
>>573396574>>573396764we both agreed she play alone and learnshe prefers it that wayi just dont know what settingsshe always wanted to play it shes just scared she wont do her chores and such if she gets hooked
>>573396764you are a blatant virgin
>>573396362just ask her to direct you and build what she asks
>>573397201>we both agreed>she play alonesomething doesn't add up here sonyou are obviously a factor here, question is, to what extentget a MP game, explain the very basics and go do the dishes. then try playing with her for a bit.>>573397435LMAO good one, I'll have you know Fuck, I've been made. What tipped you off?
>>573397559From the way he writes that's what she already has to do all the time
If it were my bitch she’d be in the kitchen making sandwiches not playing man games.
>>573397201If she's insisting on playing alone, I would recommend>Increasing all resources to 150% or even 200% on all 3 settings (frequency, size, richness)>Disable enemy expansions>Consider turning evolution down a bitThat lets her feel the pressure of biters without needing to turtle, and also not forcing her to setup remote bases too quickly
>>573397583you're literally doormatting for someone's wife bitch wants to play and you're taking the fun away out of playing by telling him to bend over backwards to do her whimsnigga that's the shit that gives the biggest ick to women
>>573397806scarely enough shes saying she wants defaultbut i dunno biters are scarier now than when i started lolguess we will see
>>573398016I'd still just shill for railworld and nothing else. That's it. She gets to play around with choochoos, the biters don't expand but are still a threat.Also, for the love of god, biters aren't a threat even for noobs.Remember that one moron who managed to get behemoths by the time the best he had was red ammo.
>>573395765>my question is, what settings should i set to make sure she has a smooth experience?>>573398016>scarely enough shes saying she wants defaultSo we just wasted a shitload of time, then
Foidtorio overhaul mod:Instead of rocket silo you build a dishwasher and feed it dirty plates to get clean onesSmelters are replaced with ovens that come with baking recipes
>>573397965you are a blatant virgin
Fun fact: men can't be virgins, at best he's an incel
>>573398112>>573398153we will seeif she gets frustrated ill intervenethanks for the discussion anons
>>573398112>Also, for the love of god, biters aren't a threat even for noobs.
>>573398596if a mentally handicapped dude managed to get to 90% evo before he had nuclear and learned how to use mines and flamethrowers to deal damage then nobody and I mean fucking NOBODY has any excuse.
>>573398751You didn't even name the formula for quartz in your reply.
This discussion reminds me of why I prefer men.
>>573399571I prefer chicks with dicks but finding cute ones with a functioning dick is basically impossible so i stick to dickless women and fuck them in the ass
>>573399571I don't prefer men who prefer men, so please expain yourself
>>573399748That was truly a rollercoaster of a post, well done anon
>>573399748https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34n2-_iO0MU
>3 different threads open across 3 different boards>all talking about chicks with dicks>somehow none of them is /d/how did we get here
>>573395765I got my wife to play too and she mogged me by figuring out using a main bus on her own
If one singular post in the entire thread is "talking about" then the thread might as well be taklking about your mom
>>573400953Main busses are cringe, go home Nia
> https://mods.factorio.com/mod/pyalienlife/changelog>> Version: 3.1.0> Date: 2026-07-07> [..]> - Updated AlienLife buildings to use a custom minimum speed of -99.99%, default speed of -99.99%, and removed scripting to detect and disable farms without modulesOh nice. Looks like someone picked up on that idea which was pitched here a few months ago, to normalize the insane Py Alien Life building and module speeds by using the Factorio 2.x in-built building recipe modifiers.
>>573401587Also:> - Buffed fluid mining drill range from 7x7 on all tiers to 7x7, 9x9, 11x11, 13x13shiiiiiiiiiiii-----et. That's amazing.
>>573401587And:> - Added the following entities to be hidden when visibility of tall entities is toggled: bioport, bioprinter, compost plant, gene lab, moss farm, research center, spore collector, vatbrain, xeno pen, zungror lairLooks like Py's developers are taking the visibility issues with overhanging buildings seriously. They're opting in to the new 2.1 feature to be able to temporarily toggle-hide them.
>>573401587Oh.That *is* quite a change.No actual like, speed changes or anything, but the retarded numbers were always silly.
>>573401949It's odd that they didn't keep their buildings the same size or at least not hide other buildings like the base game.
>>573401949Still missing 90 fucking buildings from that list if you ask me but it's a startstill playing with nooverhang
Genderbender developer aside, is it any good?Worth a playthrough?
In Satisfactory, how can I deliver fuel to a truck station from another truck station? The issue I am having is that it appears that in order for a truck to refuel, the station has to be set to load. This causes a problem because the delivery truck needs to UNLOAD at the station to give it fuel to put into its fuel stock. So would I need to do something goofy like have a "dummy" truck stop and have my refuel truck go there and hook a belt up to the real station to give it fuel? What am I missing? I love satisfactory but there are so many things that it seems the player has no control over.Another peeve, why is it that I can't tell a train cargo handling bay thing what pieces to spit out? Its obviously different in factorio because in that you can use inserters to sort out items. What am I missing about trucks? If a refuel station has to be set to "load" to refill trucks, then that bricks it because the the truck refueling the station will not load the fuel.
>>573404510You need an unload station for anything else you deliver to some point. Why should fuel be any different?
>>573404510I guess you have to use 2 stationsI never encountered this issue, i usually load a special fuel station directly from a coal mine or a fuel factory
surely humanity is not using half as much copper as factorio engineer
>>573404805>>573405005I see. I guess logistically I just like the idea of a truck delivering the fuel. It makes sense it would probably need two stations for this particular circumstance though. However, I read that trucks can refuel by simply passing through a truck station and not having to actually stop. Is that true or was that from an old patch or something? Currently, trucks HAVE to stop at a station that is set to "load" in order to refuel right?
>>573403656>is it any good?No.>dev Nobody cares. That shit is *bad*. K2 wasn't meant to work with spage. Everything fucking breaks.Only overhaul I'd play with K2 is fucking SE.
>>573405203Hahahahahaa don't look it up
>>573405214https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Truck_Station#Dedicated_fueling_stations
>>573403656there's two different kinds of fusion, two different biolabs, and two different types of lithium.
... 5hs later i figured out what made my refineries stall sometimes
>>573405203Anon, for what do we use copper? How much of that do we use?
>Start a new 2.1 run>End up with a map full of cliffs and other shit to make a tidy main bus a pain>Fukkit, train factory it is>Spaghetti together a bootstrap factory >Just keep running around placing a few tracks, pulling them up, putting them down, no not there, put more down, no thst won't work, start over here, how should I make my stations? Like this? No, okay lets put these first, no that will cause issues, start putting a block there no that isn't good>End up just running back and forth for like two hoursGod damn it. Why am I having so much of an issue starting a train factory? I just have 1-1-1 trains zipping around. I just make a station for each item and let the generic* trains figure it out, yeah? I feel like I'm missing something. I should probably try to split the factory into a couple main lines so I don't just have a single set of rails becoming the main bus. Fack.
>>573403656Not the original dev, just some guy who has no idea about design or balance. It's still the most popular SA overhaul by far, because it's easy mode yet the two extra science packs and adding wood to steel makes people feel like they deserve to have all the cheaty stuff.
>>573407569>>573353173
>>573407569RIP. This is why I love the new pipe overlay.
>Try out a 10x science run>Researching Gun turrets and logistics takes 300 science packs>Die to biters before getting bothI might be too casual for this
>>573353173Yeah- don't you just *hate* when that happens...
>>573409245Default biter settings? It's most certainly not impossible because I just did this a few days ago.
>>5734093432.1 made biters alot harder, tho
>>573409096The pipe guy wasnt me, but yeah. This should have been the first thing to check.
Is playing Factorio gonna fuck up my OLED with all the HUD elements and bright colors?I paid too much for this screen, I'm scared of using it
>>573409665Buy an actual usable monitor just for Factorio.
>>573409665Wouldn't every game with a fixed UI have the same issue? And even just the OS.
>>573409457Are you in the desert?
>>573409245Gun turrets are just 100 packs, rush them and build some in key locationsI'm in the middle of a 10x science desert run, the most stressful time was when it was still small spitters only while I couldn't keep up with the damage upgrades to one shot them with red ammo, didn't matter how many turrets I had on the perimeter a few of them would always manage to spit and take some down. Other than that mostly smooth sailing.
>>573409457Wait what? What was changed with biters?
>>573410826How they expandThey are more likely to expand towards your base if I remember correctly
>>573410826They've got an exclusion zone around nests where expansions can't happen at all, so overall they're much more likely to pick empty spots on the map, i.e. your base.
>>573410826It's not "alot" harder, or even a lot, and only visible in the late mid-game. When picking expansion slots they now prefer to go for areas farther away from existing bases. Which means instead of filling gaps in the world they will go for your base more often. But early on there's a lot of empty room everywhere, and very late all the holes are filled in and they're only expanding in your direction anyway.
>>573404510>In Satisfactory, how can I deliver fuel to a truck station from another truck station?Have a dedicated station where fuel is dropped off, then just run a belt from the output of the fuel station to the fuel input of the other station. Obviously you can also split the belt and feed many truck stations from 1 fuel station.If you're thinking about filling the fuel slot in a station directly from a visiting truck and not from the fuel input, I don't think that works (unless it's a fuel station in and of itself, then you can run a belt from its own output to its own fuel input and that works of course).>The issue I am having is that it appears that in order for a truck to refuel, the station has to be set to load.No, this isn't the case as far as I can tell. If fuel is available, a truck will refuel when it stops at the station no matter if it loads or unloads.>have a "dummy" truck stop and have my refuel truck go there and hook a belt up to the real station to give it fuelYes, that's an option. It's not really a "dummy" station though, it's a station that distributes fuel and you'd presumably have multiple of these around your network. You can do other things, like adding a refueling stop in a truck's route (probably overkill) or fuel the stations from local production if applicable in the area or fuck knows what.I went with the idea of fuel distribution stations, I have 1 fuel drop station in every truck stop area and a single fuel truck that visits every one of these stations to drop fuel.>>573407738Making a train base very early on is kind of a pain. If you're doing this before you even have bots it really is a major pain. I did it once and it was very slow, laying any significant amount of track by hand is laborious. You need bots, a set of signalled rail BPs and a set of stations. Then you can just go around placing stuff, so first you need bots and then you need to make your BPs before you start using trains large-scale, for every item.
>>573411243a lot*
>>573409665Yes it will, I mean if you plan to play Factorio for hundreds or thousands of hours it may very well burn in. It shouldn't be catastrophic unless you play absolutely crazy amounts but it can happen. I saw a YT video of a guy who played like half an hour of Overwatch a day for a couple of years and the health bar was burned in. That's like 300-400h of a game to burn-in part of the HUD.
>>573381096>>573381928I love U235!!!!!
I've got a problem and I need some help. This point in my base is causing a lot of problems on my rail line, and my attempts to fix it with signals have failed. This current design actually works fine, except for some reason, incoming trains will IGNORE the alternate route available to them if the outbound train is in the middle of the intersection(see: top image.) I genuinely don't know what causes it to ignore the really easy fix and instead sit there like idiots, while the rest of the trains pile up into an unholy mess that takes 15 minutes to clear out later once I realize what has happened. Why is the train's automation like this and how could I potentially fix this?
>2.0 broke my rail blueprint book that I made years ago>Finally get around to making a new one this time with some circuits parameters>tfw it kinda sucks but it's mine and I love it and it's almost modularNice. Kinda.
>>573418475>2 way railsheres a solution that will work for you. press this red button, selected your entire base, then build it the correct way
>>573420423Yeah, no thanks. I don't even have cliff explosives, so I can't even do what you're asking me to do in any reasonable amount of time.
>>573421696bro you are at a purple science and you already made this huge ass base. wtf are you doing with your life
>>573418475My first instinct would be to remove the r signals inside the intersection so the whole intersection is one block. Inefficient but it would prevent trains from entering if they can’t leave
>>573421873Trying to finish the game for the very first time after 800 hours.Also, my save is islandic, so while there's a LOT of resources, the throughput is so limited that I'm forced to expand to make sure my factory can still function. I'm having coal problems despite having 3 mines.
>>573422090Alright, I have attempted that. I'll run it for 10 minutes and see if it clogs again.
why factorio no have boats?
>>573418475shouldve taken a picture while in the map view or given a save or something WITH the clog, but this is probably iti'm probably hallucinating thoughbut yes two way rails are a headache even if you know exactly what you're doing>>573422585https://mods.factorio.com/mod/cargo-ships
>>573422286Yo that's tight.
>>573422518Yeah, I should've remembered that this was why I made that weird ass block.>>573422629Yeah I should've. The image I provided was a simulation I forced. The natural clog and the unnatural ones are actually ever so slightly different-the natural clogs can be redirected to go down, while ones that I force require me to take manual control of the train so I can go back just a little bit.I'll wait for a clog to form and provide the save. (There's other problems with this rail line, partially stemming from the fact that I genuinely don't know how to use chain signals correctly.)
>>573422629now that I've had a moment to drink, isn't this basically a ezpz fix by replacing the pre-curve signal with a chain and a regular signal behind it?sure it gives the left side a higher priority but it should work?
>>573423194honestly I’m extremely confused how a collision is even happening here so take this with a grain of salt but it looks like it’s the rail signals. Chain in rail out doesn’t work with two ways, for two way networks you probably want to use chains everywhere so trains can see the entire path to their destination. you only want to use rail signals on two ways in explicit stacking circumstances like bypasses. there’s some pretty bad worst case scenarios here (train blocking the entire network or needing to wait for its entire path to be clear first) but putting a rail signal anywhere but a bypass is asking for these head-ons because the one train is not seeing what the other is seeing
>>573423194I managed to get the clog to form "correctly " with some coercion. https://litter.catbox.moe/r7gut03fu2a0yos2.zip>>573423723I'll try it out, thanks!
>>573374058I think you can make big power from the volcanic vents, something with sulfur and steam or something.
>>573423194I don't bother with two-way rail just because it's too difficult to reason about when there are a lot of trains and a lot of intersections.
>>573424909It's because I'm in an islandic save. I didn't have room to start designing my base around that(the cliffs sure as shit didn't help,) and by the time I have enough landfill(I never do), it'll be too much of a hassle to redesign the ENTIRE rail line.I might revisit it post-game. I am aiming for the logistics network embargo challenge, so I can't use the bots to execute the deconstruction planner for now.>>573424345I'll try to keep that all in mind. Might have to replace the signals in the other locations too then.
>>573425580>Might have to replace the signals in the other locations too then.Every time I do trains I convince myself I am doing the signals correctly and inevitably I mess up at least one of them somewhere.
