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The only thing more blinding than the full moon is brother's eternal happiness...

>>573019686
>both DDS completed in a matter of month
If you haven't beaten the super bosses I'm afraid that's not the case, you'll have to spend a bunch of hours grinding your characters to 99 in every stat otherwise I won't let you claim you "completed" them.

Now go and do that before playing whatever SMT game you were planning on playing next. By the way, what were you planning on playing next?

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made for slow armpit licking sex

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good morning saars

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Making my way through the Cathedral in SMT1 now.
The Tokyo Government Office was one of the worst dungeons I've ever done. It'd be completely fine if the encounter rate hadn't been jacked up to the point that it was rare to take a step without one, and those encounters were usually stacked up to 4+ continuous battles. My heroine also got cursed in the first tower, so I had to walk all the way back down instead of teleporting once I met up with Ravana.

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https://x.com/i/status/2073492211778392180
Eh?

>>573033106
That was about the point where I starting running through with estoma. Grinding levels stops mattering after a certain point.

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>>573034307
Estoma is evidently a very rare skill in 1.
Looking up some info, there's only two demons that you can use that have it if you aren't Law aligned. 5 if you are.
https://ore-game.com/dds1/en/skill/4fd26f5e/
I wasn't even aware estoma was in this game.

>>573034915
Just fuse Kushinada

>>573033409
Nice, I'll finally get to play SMT2.

>>573033409
cool

>>573033409
it's gonna take them a decade

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>>573021441
Shin Megami Tensei - Liberation Dx2 Thread: >>>/vmg/2007472

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>>573021441
I'm working on a silly little SMT mod for a game just as a project to keep myself busy, so I have a question for people more knowledgeable with the series as a whole.

If you were to take the neutral, law and chaos factions from all the games and kind of mash them together, which characters would you say would be the best representative as a sort of figurehead for each alingment and which group from what game would serve as the best foundation for it?

I mean human characters as opposed to demons, like the law or chaos heros from SMT 1, or the jackass teens from nocturne. The big boys like lucifer would end up being late game units.

>>573040820
As far as groups go it's Gaeans for Chaos and Messians for Law since they're the most recurring factions.

>>573041340
Sure and I imagine I'll go with some variation of those two, but with the ring of gaea for example they are in 1, 2, nocturne and 4, but in nocturne they barely show up directly and I never actually played 4 so I don't know if they follow the same "samurai" aesthetic as the main characters so I'd have to research it a bit.

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>>573041754
>and I never actually played 4
they have a big presence in 4 with a buddist aesthetic, there's a minor character associated with them who has a full character design and you fight generic gaea men and women (who i shoddily cropped out since their sprites aren't online anywhere)

>>573040820
I always got the vibe that, especially with Vengeance not having a Neutral route, that Nahobino is more Chaos aligned.
The better character focus on Yoko over Tao, being so generally in-tuned with demons through the Haunts, the fact that you kill the insane Law rep Dazai no matter which Route you go on. It's just the overall impression I get even outside of leaning more towards headcanon territory.

Serph I imagine more Neutral. If he had to absolutely pick a side, then Chaos. The setting of 1 is basically a Chaosfag's wet dream and you fight the established powers in 2 that try to maintain the status quo order so yeah.

>>573042972
Similar to the older versions so. I'm probably thinking I'm going to base a lot of the stuff off the older games just because they have so many more human guys I could use as like base level units. For neutral I was thinking of just going with some sort of transported bunker shelter full of a random assortment of rag-tag dudes, maybe make the guys from strange journey higher level units you summon through some terminal bullshit.
>>573043332
I do plan on making most big characters some sort of summon you can get. I did imagine most of the protagonists as being neutral but I could see some of them going other ways. I'm planning it for conquest of elysium and if anyone knows how that goes you start with one main guy and each of your factions functions sort of like a class, so I was wondering who to make the starting guy of each group.

>>573040820
what the other anon said, also as you can see they have a statue of Mem Aleph from Strange Journey so they probably worship her

>>573044107
>conquest of elysium
Oh that does put it into context. I wanted to try that game after seeing some videos, but I just couldn't grapple with how to control it and I've never played one of types of games before to begin with.
With that in mind, I feel like it'd be weird if protagonists didn't make up that 'first main guy' slot. Having Walter or Dazai be the 'main character' of a campaign or Chaos and Law respectively would just kinda feel weird, as an example. At least in my opinion.

>>573044823
Its really not that hard, its kind of like a 4x game but simpler and more based around fights. More importantly its very easy to mod so even a retard like me can do it.

My original thought was to just take the main character from 1 along with the law and chaos heroes and make them the three main guys, but then I thougt I may as well ask and see what other peoples thoughts were. I have also thought of going with the marine as the neutral guy and the demifiend as the chaos guy, but I don't know who I'd do for a law guy then.

>>573045243
It's moreso just being one of those 'use entire keyboard to do specific things' type game that makes it harder for me to really try and play.
But yeah, fair. I wouldn't really know who to pick as the Law guy either, besides whichever protagonist belong to a game with the most popular Law ending.

>>573045929
You can honestly play conquest of elysium pretty easily with just the mouse and the shift key occasionally, thats how I play it at least. Dominions by the same devs is a bit more involved. I find CoE more comfy so thats why I do my modding shit with it.

But yeah, might be easiest to just go with the guys from 1 and make the other guys summons, I just wanted to check if anyone had some big brain ideas.

>>573046513
Guess I'll try it again. I just know that last I tried I could barely even figure out how to move units and just quickly gave up once I saw the hotkey screen.
Still, good luck with the mod all the same.

>>573039452
And I thought our general was DEAD...

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what is this damn brat's problem???

>>573044823
It's a weird mix between 4X and roguelike.
Some of your starts are going to get fucked by the RNG.
Avoid Dominions unless you play online, playing solo doesn't give you 10% of the experience.

>>573047093
she wants you to experience the little death

>>573046985
Thanks man. I honestly don't even know any of the hotkeys. If you want to move guys you need to transfer them under a leader and then you move him around. After that you mostly just wander around capturing resource points and fighting other players. What class you go with makes a big difference as well, druid for example can get a shitload of herbs and summon animals on the go while the baron has to focus more on recruiting regularly and turning hamlets into motte and baileys to get more yearly knights. It can be a bit awkward to get a grasp of, but I find part of the enjoyment of the game is exploring all the shit you got available to you.

Okay, so what exactly is the difference between Great Will, YHWH, and Yaldabaoth? As far as I can tell:
>Great Will is the universe itself and the big boss of everything
>it doesn't directly manifest in the physical world unless you use magical bullshit designed specifically to force it to manifest
>YHWH and Yaldabaoth are two of its aspects that it normally uses to manifest indirectly
>YHWH is what we would call the Abrahamic God
>Yaldabaoth is, uh... uhhh...

>>573050278
Yaldabaoth is a demiurge

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>>573050278
The Great Will is the consciousness of the creator, visiting any given universe. It cannot manifest fully because that would break the universe due to the rules imposed upon it. Imagine you assembling an ant farm case but then trying to access it without breaking or removing the glass. You can, but you shouldn't, because when you built it, you did so in a specific way to hold and protect its inhabitants. Pic related.

- YHWH, the coalesced energy of the creator made form as an avatar to take care of the universe.
- Sabaoth, Shaddai, Elohim, and Satan - Purposeful fragments of YHWH's for managerial purposes.
- Demiurge and Yaldabaoth - Rogue fragments of YHWH who think they're the real representative of The Great Will.
- Kagutsuchi (SMT3) - "Spy" vessel / agent / avatar / remote-controlled entity of The Great Will for quality assurance.

>>573051784
I think Yaldy was the god of law in smtv. I wish they confirmed it though and didn't leave it vague.

why is erebus only confined in Episode Aigis but never appeared in SMT?

Remind me how V changed focus/concentrate? I forgot and don't have the game yet.

>>573065401
SMTV has a different gameplay loop based around building up and unloading on certain specific burst turns aided by magatushi skills with their own multipliers.
As a result charge and concentrate are pretty much useless as standalone skills. They only increase damage by 1.8x, which is weaker than just using a skill twice. Theres a niche argument to be made about the mp conserving benefits, but theres other skills in the game that do that better like the restore passives and deserve the slot more. So they're pretty much obsolete skills, not worth using.

>>573066116
Huh, I would be bummed out by their losses but I can't say I am, to be frank, charge spam was a really lame way to play the games.

>>573043332
The Nahobino is dark neutral which is why you got the chaos vibe. It was confirmed in the guide book for the original V release.

>>573040820
As far as protagonists go, the Hero is Neutral, Aleph is Law and Demi-Fiend is chaos. You can see that by how each of their overworld icons spin when you start each of their games. Of course, these are roleplaying games and they're all meant to be self insert avatars, but I think it has become more or less canonized like this whenever they make cameos.

>>573068070
When they make cameos it's usually based off of whichever ending they come from. Demi always cameos from the maniax ending for example. That's a chaos ending. I wonder which ending the Nahobino is going to cameo from when he inevitably shows up as a superboss.

>>573068404
>Demi always cameos from the maniax ending for example
That's more of a case of constraint than anything, since y'know, he regains his humanity in every ending that doesn't involve Lucifer so he can't be the Demi-Fiend unless he sides with him.

>>573068740
They could make him from freedom ending and just set it after his final battle with the great will.

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>>573069073
Well, I guess, but it's as I said: he wouldn't be the "Demi-Fiend" anymore, the only endings where he retains his powers (and more importantly for marketability, his appearance) are the Demon ending, and the TDE, so I highly doubt Atlus is ever going to acknowledge anything besides those two ever again.

>>573069598
It’s implied he does keep his powers in freedom. Lucifer tells him to stay strong until the final battle. I imagine after that he probably starts living a double life, training and raising an army of demons and devil summoners for when the shit hits the fan.

>>573070251
>Lucifer tells him to stay strong
Does that actually imply that he still has "real" power though? I always interpreted that as Lucifer telling you to be strong in spirit, remaining strong in your convictions and stuff like that. I always see this "Demi-Fiend gets to keep some of his demonic powers in the Freedom ending" talk being spread as if it's a fact online, but I don't remember it being hinted as such at any point during the game. I suspect it's just one of those fandom stories that got spread around so much it just became a collective headcanon, like the whole "Hijiri is Aleph" theory.

I think there's no point in using demi-fiend anymore after SMT VV, sure he never got to fight the Great Will, but Lucifer's dumbass back up plan is basically the final nail in his "story"... unless atlus reveals that it ultimately didn't work in a future game and forcing us back to the TDE bullshit storyline.

>>573070732
I don’t see why it wouldn’t mean both strong in conviction and physically strong since he’s literally warning him he’ll have to fight a war against the greatest power in the universe. I guess he could go sword and gun mode for the final battle like the rest of the protags so far in the series, but I always imagined he’s just hiding his power.

>>573071341
>I think there's no point in using demi-fiend anymore after SMT VV
I agree. VV concluded his story following maniax but you know they will shove him in as a super boss again somewhere.

Do you guys think Lucifer came back to help his homie fight the Great Will after the freedom ending, or do you think he just left him to it? I don’t see why he wouldn’t come help since it’s basically what he wanted to do in the first place, minus turning Demifiend into Fullfiend.