Previous Thread: >>575429634>Guides, Resources and useful links:https://rentry.org/bagguides>/bag/Circles/Clubs/Friends:https://rentry.org/holdingthebag>4koma, Manga, Side Content, PVs & Shortshttps://rentry.org/bacontent>>(JP) – JST>Banners:>7/29 After Maint – 8/5 10:59Makoto (Swimsuit – Limited)Satsuki (Swimsuit – Limited)Chiaki (Swimsuit – Welfare)>News:5.5th Anniversary Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/live/tQ4z_gAngHc – 7/26 15:00Patch notes: https://bluearchive.jp/news/newsJump/673>Events:Balancing Schale's Books with the General Student Council – 7/22 11:00 – 7/29 10:59Set Sail! Pandemonium Society's Ship: Chairman Makoto's Splendid Summer Vacation – 7/29 After Maint – 8/12 10:59100-Free Recruitment Campaign – 7/29 After Maint – 8/5 10:59>Content:Total Assault: Hieronymus (Urban) – 8/5 11:00 – 8/12 3:59Limit Break Assault: The Fury of Set (Field – w/Light Armor) – 7/30 11:00 – 8/26 3:592x Normal – 7/22 4:00 – 7/29 3:593x Bounty/Scrimmage – 7/29 4:00 – 8/5 3:592x Account EXP – 8/1 4:00 – 8/3 3:593x Normal – 8/5 4:00 – 8/9 3:593x Commissions – 8/5 4:00 – 8/12 3:592x Account EXP – 8/8 4:00 – 8/10 3:593x Hard – 8/9 4:00 – 8/12 3:59>>(GLOBAL) – UTC>Banners:>7/21 After Maint – 8/4 1:59RenaKonokaHare (Camp)Kotama (Camp)Maki (Camp)Misaki>News:Patch notes: https://forum.nexon.com/bluearchive-en/board_view?thread=3501827>Events:Kivotos' Unsolved Mystery: In Search of Tsuchinoko, the Unknown Creature – 7/21 After Maint – 8/4 1:59Arona's Dice Game Event! – 6/23 After Maint – 8/18 1:59My Office: https://bluearchive.nexon.com/user/myoffice>Content:Total Assault: Goz (Field) – 7/28 2:00 – 8/3 18:59Limit Break Assault: Tiphareth (Indoor – w/Elastic Armor) – 7/22 2:00 – 8/17 18:592x Bounty – 7/20 19:00 – 7/27 18:592x Normal – 7/27 19:00 – 8/3 18:59
>>575435606>>575435757>paying a sub for AI>you also need currency to run itBro that's not even the worse thing.Like I said, I already pay Premium to use Claude for my daily work.And despite that Claude has: >Usage Limit per session>5 hours cooldown between SessionsAND also >Weekly Limit >Consumes credits (real money) if I want to use it beyond thatAI slopping is expensive, still if you guys want I can ask any Claude Model what he does """"think"""" about the new vs old gacha systems.
The fact of the matter is that instead of celebrating new content we are all arguing instead means this is a dogshit half-anniversary.Devs knew and didn't bother having live audience because they know this is a bad change.
>>575436001Why are her tits shaped so weirdly?
WE WILL KEEP BITCHING ABOUT THE NEW GACHA SYSTEM UNTIL MORALE IMPROVE.
>>575435913This might be a shocker anon but the Pandemonium Society were never that popular to begin with. It's like expecting Swimsuit Pina to get a ton of art
Wakamo
>>575436047We're good
You'll play it anyway.
I want to honestly thank Nexon for fixing the gacha. They'll make more money which is good for the future of this game by milking the whales more while giving all the normal players better odds. Actually smart and ethical for once.
>I want to roll all students in the gamenew system is better for you>I'm only interested in 1 student per bannernew system is better for you>I only roll students I actually wantnew system is better for you>When I want multiple students from a banner I bring 48k pyros and roll until I get exactly what I wantnew system is better for you>I enter every single double banner in the game with exactly 200 rolls and I expect to get exactly what I want within these 200 rolls and I throw a hissy fit on /bag/ when I hit the 25%new system is worse for you on the first banner, but in the long the new system will still be better for you because you're still gonna be getting more students than before on average
>>575436081But /bag/ told me Iroha was the 5th most popular student in the game?
I was promised a gogurt thread...
>>575436080At least wait till the update actually drops and see for ourselves how it will actually be better or worse
>gehenna story arc >game enters a dark ageYou can’t make this up.
>>575436052Honestly even with the change that they’re going to revert, this is by far the best anni in general. I get that a second double loli fes in a row did have catastrophic effects on the lifespan of trannies who hate BA, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
>>575436145TL;DR you're retarded
>>575436145Thank you Nexon-sama
>>575436164>at least wait till they shove the stick up your ass before complaining about it
>>575436081They'll all see the light, after the best summer event ever written.
Sex.With Ibuki.
>>575436204>step 3: bargaining
>almost 24 hours>still radio silencethis is getting concerning
>>575436164do you not understand that if the update drops and it's included, it'll be too late?
nice game baggots LOL
>>575436145>When I want multiple students from a banner I bring 48k pyros and roll until I get exactly what I want>new system is better for youWhat if I get the first 50/50 then have to roll 200 for the next student because I failed the second 50/50
TW Nexon employee here. We had a meeting and Kim will revert the changes soon.
>>575436304then pay up piggy
>>575436047You can give it this base image and tell it about the 50/50 soft pity, the 200 hard pity, the point reset and the carryover (although it'll more likely get it right even without that info).
>>575436145This Anon is correct but people will still throw a fit because it doesn't "feel like" it's better for them.
>>575436203If anything, we’ve finally left the dark ages. Getting both Pandemonium fes and a Gehenna volume means we’ve moved far past the incompetence of the past.>>575436257Bargaining… Using the lives of my enemies as chips… I like the sound of that.
>>575436145>>575436348This is the same poster.
Put this in every field
>>575436304What if you get the first 50/50 and you get the next student in 10 pulls?
>TW
>>575436304are you able to comprehend the concept of probability?
>>575436382It's actually not.
all they had to do was release microbikini Ibuki and Iroha and no one would notice the gacha changes
>>575436145I don't care nigger, no one asked for this
>>575436304>what if [specific scenario]Which part of "it takes less rolls on average to get 2 students with the new system than with the old system" do you not understand
>>575436145This. They better keep it!
you know what we need
>>575436175THESE BRATS
>>575436348People always prioritized feefees despite facts saying otherwise.
whom do I blame for this?
>blah blah blahI don't care. No one asked them to change the gacha.
>BWIT
I'd rather have no changes because even the artists I follow started bitching instead of drawing swimsuit.
For every doompost, one SEAjeet gets disintegrated
i looked through my twitter and some of the people that are angry never talked about blue archive, or that they never posted a screenshot of their game. just reaction images and memes.
Reminder: Old system average: 108 pulls to get one unitNew system average: 90 pulls to get one unitOld system average: 192.6 pulls to get both unitsNew system average: 180.1 pulls to get both unitsThey're making it easier for you to dickpull and not have to constantly skip students you like to save for bluefes like a greedy jew
>>575436175sex ed with Ibuki and Iroha
How many rolls am I going to save per year? How many extra rate up students am I going to get per year?Will it make up for being unable to finish a spark for a bonus student on the cheap sometimes?
>>575436393It's pretty obvious that he can not
Just heard the news lol. Is this games revenue really dropping that much? It's years old, I'm amazed it's still going. I thought all you people did here, was insult everyone's waifus and shitpost?
>try to argue that the gacha system most prominent in chink games is a step backwards>get called a chink shill????
wheres the new asmr?
>>575436536It's called the silent majority
>>575436507Yourself
>The old system is 200+1characters>And the new one is only 200Wow, math is good
>>575436507I blame the "people" who deny statistics
>
>>575436541>it's better on average if you plan to double spark!post the same bait, get the same reply
How ba-a-a-ad can I be?I'm just doing what comes naturallyHow ba-a-a-ad can I be?I'm just following my destinyHow ba-a-a-ad can I be?I'm just doing what comes naturallyHow ba-a-a-ad can I be?How bad can I possibly be?
>>575436145All this ON TOP of points carrying over to other banners.John Nexon is literally making the gacha better for you but you're complaining because you're terrible at math and a gambling addict.Get help, people.
>>575436145>enter every single double banner in the game with exactly 200 rolls and I expect to get exactly what I want within these 200 rolls and I throw a hissy fit on /bag/ when I hit the 25%Ironic post when you're throwing a fir because people prefer their 75% odds of the current system
>>575436630
>New system is better!!!Okay but give me a good reason why they didn't have a live audience to react to this supposed great change?
When will Tsubasa and Mirai escape NPC jail? Tsubasa was best girl of the event.
>>575436604Did we ever find out who’s using it?
>>575436630Natsu...
>dickpull>probability>maybe>average>AI LLMBASEDKEEP CONSUMING KEEP GIVING YOUR MONEY TO GOOKJEWS LIKE A GOOD SLAVE YOU ARE
>>575436469Minori is good at math
>>575436541Aside from that I'm interested in this secondary pity system. Does it pull over?
>>575436304Then what were the chances of you getting the student before 200 in the old system in the first place?The new system changes nothing your chances of getting spooked by the student you want, if you had to go to 200 before due to shit luck then you'll have to go to 200 here as well, only there's a fairly high chance to get it at 100 (in exchange for the old spark at 200 which only benefited the times when you lucked out)
>>575436507mejust use me as the scapegoat of your problems
>For a whale or a full-spark hoarder, roughly neutral-to-worse; for the typical player who pulls partway and sometimes gets lucky early, clearly worse. "Hoyofication" is the fair reading — BA's spark was one of the genre's most player-friendly systems and this is a move to the industry-standard one, minus the soft pity that usually accompanies it.
>>575436664Also give me a good reason why Nexon themselves never said the change was better for players. If that's the reason they changed it, wouldn't it make sense for them to say that?
>>575436690Forgot your chise pic
>>575436664because change = hissy fit
>>575436664>why they didn't have a live audience to react to this supposed great change?STOP askisking questions, just cooonsoom
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the new gacha system. The mathematics is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of statistics most of the benefits will go over a typical player's head. There's also Nexon's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the system - Nexon's personal philosophy draws heavily from Maurice Falk literature, for instance. The mathematicians understand this stuff; they have the rational capacity to truly appreciate the benefits of averages, to realize that they're not just good- they say something deep about US. As a consequence people who dislike the new gacha system truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the benefits in the new gacha's bonus SSR mechanic.
'average' is a jewish word to distract you from the truth
Wait I thought Seia posters love the 50-50 system?
anyone else just gonna wait and see?
surprised how hard Satsuki won for me when I'm usually not into hags>best swimsuit (only one that's better than the old art)>pure sex EX/chibi>it's sweet too. She doesn't want anyone to feel pain, so is all in on rubbing you with sunscreen>faints at the sight of ghost pirates (mega cute)I'm also looking forward to Chiaki making friends with the ghosts without a second thought. She was #2 winner for me. Just recently read both of there momos and I think the hypnotism is working. Chiaki's were cute too
>>575436760You aren't supposed to point that out
>>575436760I trust this Momoi
>>575436736On the jp streams? The one managed and hosted by yostar ever since jp launch?
>>575436748ThisOccam's razor wins again
>>575436589Were they posted yet? If not then I will. Have to dl them first though.
>>575436630kek, how troons look trying to shill lgbt gachas here
>>575436635>i-i-it's harder for me to roll with 17.3k pyros like a retard hoping I get both!!!Yes, they're making it harder for you to be RETARDEDBASED NEXON
>>575436785>anyone else going to wait for the stick to be shoved up their ass before deciding if they like it or not?
>>575436664Can they explain why most of the fanbase is mad? They'll probably say it's fake outrage and tell people to quit if they don't like it.
>>575436785There is nothing to do but to wait, it's up to the Japanese to fight the fight
Stop complaining
>>575436664>new system is strictly worse>new system is worse for multiple students>new system is worse for elephs>i-if new system is so good why didn't they have a live audience to clap for it? haha checkmate atheists[you are here]
Reminder that if you are a F2P LUNATICCHAD the new system is better for you.
>>575436330>The new gacha system is mathematically better for players overall, lowering the average cost to secure two featured characters from ~191 pulls down to ~178 pulls. Why does the table look worse at the 200-pull mark? Under the new rules, pulling a rate-up unit early resets your pity counter, which flattens out that massive 200-pull guaranteed spark spike from the old system. In exchange, you get significantly higher odds early on (a 40.5% success rate by 150 pulls compared to 28.3% previously) and virtually eliminate the nightmare 350–400 pull dry spells when RNG turns against you. You lose the comfort of the exact 200-pull double claim, but you save a lot more Pyroxenes over the long run!
>retards still claiming the pity with supposedly better rates on average (meaning over infinite pulls) is a better system than the system with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that you walk away with something you actually want on every single isolated 200 pull trial and 75% odds of getting another one as well
>>575436817its not up on the usual mega link yet
>>575436809>avoids answering the question
>>575436785I mean what else can we possible do? We're being forced to accept this shit.
Unless they introduce new ways of getting elephs and eligmas, with the new system (no, I'm not discussing if the nee system is better or worse for rolls) the ligma situation will be grim as fuckScreencap this post, because you'll have to get used to having 4* students
Didn't someone said that it's illegal in EU to change the gacha model after 5 years?
>>575436834kill yourself Kim
>>575436758And yes, by the way, i DO have a Kim YongHa tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid B)
>>575436883Do you even play the game?
Is /bag/ facing a genuine EoS threat? How are people taking the gacha change? Steam has "mostly negative" reviews
>>575436779SEiAniggers never miss out on an opportunity to doompost
>>575436589>>575436817>>575436874Dump eet
>>575436863You sound like an Instagram dindu saying "here come duh crackas talkin bout per capita"
>>575436145You lost when you accepted the uneven playfield and started defending the new system. Your trillions simulated views mean nothing when your real luck depends on the result of ~12 50/50 pulls per year.
fuckable cheeks will save the gacha system
>>575436834This nigga gonna end up getting shanked
>>575436732>AI when it doesn't agree with meREEEEEEEEEEE>AI yes-man when it agrees with meBING BING WAOH!!!!
>>575436304Edge case, doesn't matter.
>>575436919>still not answering the question
>>575436858Can you ask it how long the long run is? Assuming I get about a spark's worth every 2 months, how long will it take me to actually get an extra rate up? How many extra rate ups am I expected to get a year?
>went from hating Pikaman to hating Kim
>>575436943you sound like a stupid motherfucker that doesn't understand the long-time average doesn't matter because I don't value every single banner the same
new collab or anime season 2 couldve saved the game but /bag/ is not ready for that conversation
>>575436925Worse, it nothing change we going to enter corpse-dragging limbo era like the current FGO
with all these posts convincing people that new gacha system is bettermakes me think that they are even bigger nexonshill than /bag/ itself
I really hope they change it back.Pissing the players is never a good thing. All JP Discords I frequent has been doom and gloom and I rather not have them disappear.
>>575436863>>retards still claiming the pity with supposedly better rates on average (meaning over infinite pulls)except no, every single one of their graphs show that their new system is worse in every single case after 600 pulls. you basically get short-term marginal gains (in 56% of cases only, goy) but you lose bigly in the long run
>>575437005>>575436883
>>575436831I have a faith that korean will fight for us...
>>575436905>>575436979Why target him? It's probably the ex-EA kike that's calling the shots right?
>>575437010>averages and math bad because I have selective memory and get traumatized easilyDumb mf
>>575436790Giving her a soft, nurturing voice instead of the generic deep femme fatale you'd expect is one of their best decisions
>>575436507(((people)))
>>575436946>your trillions simulated views mean nothing when your real luck depends on the result of ~12 50/50 pulls per yearyou lost when you started thinking that it takes trillions of rolls for the new probability distribution to align with your mean rolls
>>575436898they didit's called buying the pakeji
>>575437075>Rexitted the cope chartNah he's just as guilty as this as the swede. Time to stop sucking gook dick anon.
>>575436546About one spark, 1 maybe 2 rate ups, yes for some people no for others
>>575436546>>575428949
>>575437009Enjoy your 50/50 + weapon gacha
yall talk big about wanting lots of students and then never read they momos
>>575436858Everyone should be doing their fact checking independently but yeah that's the gist of it.
>>575437035Where the hell are you finding JP Discords?
>>575437041In the long run for the same banner, retard
If every pull had lewd Plana poses while she gives them to me, I would accept any gacha change.
>>575437143Did he delete the retweet? I can't find it in his account anymore
>>575437075yeah I'm sure he was against it and did everything he could to prevent it (lul)
>>575436204The change is going to be reversed or tweaked, then we'll get a ton of free pulls and other shit and the ragebaiting tourists will switch to shitposting about how bad the anniversary was because of "low revenue" while completely ignoring all the free stuff we got.Basically, they'll just switch back to the same recycled ragebait we got with the first summer SRT or when the devs fucked up the rewards for the first Hasumi alt.
>>575437082>too stupid to understand the value of each individual banner isn't the sameyeah bro you're definitely gonna be happy "winning" the pity on the encore banner and then being stiffed when fes arrives
>>575436664This.You can't look me in the eye and tell me Nexon expected the new system to be a good thing if they knew they shouldn't have a live audience there to see it
>>575436736Because you can't say "hey this thing is GOOD for the average use case but bad for the people that spend a lot" as a company If I have to explain to you why it would look bad you're too retarded to have this conversation.
Hello is this /gag/ Genshin Archive General?
>>575431704HEY I KNOW THAT USERNAMEhttps://x.com/bitterincense/status/2066955380215755228
>>575437126It will still take you years to get a enough pulls to get a proper distribution. One bad random pity pull has a chance to fuck up your yearly budget and give you a reason to spent money. That's what they are aiming for and that's why you don't play math with jews.
>>575437126mathematically challenged retard
>>575437292Pull only for what you value? Are you a gambling addict retard?
>He was the good guy all along
Its days like these that make me wish I was actually smart at math so I could do my own calculations cause I trust literally none of you regarding this new system being better or worse
>>575437268Yeah he removed it after some people pointed it out.
>>575437240when pity doesn't reset between banners, the new system treats everything as the same banner, yes. your odds don't reset when banners change, don't be retarded
>>575437259If she did an oral gesture I'd buy out the whole pyro shop
>>575437340hey now
>>575437340Serina stop stalking people
>>575437270lol he retweeted a statistic guy and then he undo it later, he's not against it
>survived releasing the same month as umamusume>survived shitty rates controversy which led to 200 rolls for spark>survived censorship controversy>survived shitty localization by trannylator and killed scott>survived age rating issue and exposed corrupt gook rating board>survived mahjong soul controversy>survived 3rd anniversary chink meltdown>survived the sabotage by isakusan>survived the steam release ban/delay>survived the steam review rewards controversyBlue Archive will keep marching on and trannies will keep coping and seething.
>>575437369better for new studentworse for elephs/ligma
>>575437340>UmaGrim
>>575437329Yeah, the new change is bad for whales, of course they will never do an in depth math review of how it is much better for everyone else so the spergs calm down. People will get it as soon as the patch arrives.
>>575437340This is why I don't use the same name everywhere what the hell is wrong with you?
Here's your edge case, you fucking faggot
>>575437340Fitting bio for a sensei
>>575437370>>575437437I know, my post was ironic (in case it wasn't obvious). I was actually looking for the tweet before sending the post but couldn't find it, didn't know he undid it
>>575437376It's worse for getting dupes you animal because the pity doesn't carry over to the next 200 milestone, that's where the worst 600+ comes from. But for getting 1 or 2 students once it's better, for every banner
you know I was really looking forward to UI change, universal blueprints, and all the other updates, now I don't even feel like doing my dailies...
>>575437587You'll get over it :)
Maybe the real Blue Archive is the friends we made along the journey.
>>575437006>Assuming I get about a spark's worth every 2 monthsyou'll save more or less a spark every 2.5 years
>>575437369It's more variable and dependent on chance. If your 50/50s are good, then the new system is better, otherwise you are getting fucked.
>>575437126>ignoring the law of large numbers and falling for the gambler's fallacy in a single postpottery
>>575437587what's wrong with ui
Has anyone made a simulator so we can try the new 50/50 version ourselves? Sorta like this but with the new Fes pickups banners.https://bluearchive.page/vue/GachaSimulator?gachaTime=1784599200000
>>575437623But we're anonymous
>>575437623shut up tsubasa
>>575437369why go though all the trouble. i have a gut feeling and vibes that tell me it's worse so it is.
>>575437214momotalk and reading story is THE main content for me
I hope they add weapon gacha nextLLMs and AI told me I'll be saving pulls on average now, so logically this means we could spend those extra rolls in weapon gacha to gain increased student power
This new system is better for dick pulls and sovl pulls, it literally only hurts whales and gambling addicts who pull without having enough for a full sparkIf you don't like it, you're retarded, math doesn't care about your feelings
>>575437369the average outcomes over a long time period don't fucking matter because banners aren't all equal in value
Old system:To consider being lucky you pull banner unit within 1 to 199 rolls so you can spark the other banner after getting 200 recruit pointsNew system:To be considered lucky you need to pull within 1 to 99 rolls or win the banner unit on coinflip at 100.You have to do the same on the other banner since recruit points isnt shared
>>575437683Because the old gacha wasn't incentivizing people enough to pull, the revenue was actually dropping, the new one is better optimized for engagement even at the small price of better odds.
>>575437451>survived 3rd anniversary chink meltdownWhat was that all about again
>>575437778Math shows second one is easier to achieve with the new system
>>575437623
>>575437063Hello your response? >>575437329
>>575437816Taiwan
>>575437816They mentioned the T word
If only there was other gacha with all female ensemble without 50/50 gacha system. Unfortunately such a thing couldn't possibly exist
I don't want this game to die, I want to keep posting gookako until I die.
>>575437362>satan vs mega satan
>>575437937>used goods VTUMORS
>>575437937>3dpd whoresfuck off
>>575437937Unironically would've played if it wasnt a rhythm game first and foremost. Minigames are fun, rhythm game is not.
>>575437861>>575437005
>>575437369At this point it doesn't even matter if the changes are better or worse. Arguing about math is just pissing in the wind. The majority of the playerbase hates it.
>>575437959>I want to keep posting gookako until I die.Isn't that kinda sad?
>>575437756>math doesn't care about your feelingsBut BA earnings do.
>>575437630Yikes, 2 sparks over the games life, for a system that is more predatory?
Tell me why the new system is better than the old one if you are a lucklet that need to pull 200 rolls?
>>575437937>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Japanese Rhythm GameI've played these games before.
>>575433213I've been testing a scraper just for that. The idea is to snapshot the list of following accounts every once in a while (monthly I guess) and then have the script commit the change in a git repository. That way you can look at the diff (accounts added/removed since last update) and also keep a local backup that would be otherwise unavailable or outdated if you did it manually or after your account got suspended for x reason. as soon as I figure out paging it should be usable. it only needs your instance cookies (2 cookies) because elon wants you to pay money for their API. using your cookies you circumvent that requirement (breaking TOS) but the scraper itself is pretty smart + the polling rate is once a month so the chance of triggering bot behaviors should be low https://pypi.org/project/twitter-cli/
>>575437132I meant beyond the pakeji but yeah, they 100% knew this change would fuck eligmas/elephs in particular and didn't let this chance go to wasteNot talking about rolls here but they knew the UE situation would be grim as fuck post changes so they took the chance to sell you the solution for this problem Rich get fucking richer bitch, f2poors don't deserve UEs
>>575438015>majority of the playerbase hatesCause they're uninformedTell a dude from SEA he'll be saving 12 pulls per one banner and he'll start dancing so much it'll start raining
>>575437329So your defense of Nexon is:>they made a change that is bad for people who give them money, and that's actually a good thingOkay retard
>>575437369Why not skip the math and ask what would be the motivation for Nexon changing the system to begin with? Do you believe it was to better the player experience? Do you think that nobody at Nexon knows math? Do you think they would risk such a backlash just to introduce a system that is supposedly more beneficial to the players?Either Nexon is incompetent and they are giving away millions because they didn't do the basic math 4chan did, or they actually said no we want the more generous system and we'll introduce it to cheers and applause, oh wait we won't have cheers and applause because we're going to conspicuously announce it with no audience.
>>575438096On average 9/10 times you won't have to get to 200 with the new system
>never pay too much attention to gacha systems in gacha gamesall is well I guess, the things I like haven't changed
>>575438130Doesn't matter if they're uninformed or not. The effect the change will have on the game is still real.
>>575437875>>575437915Ah, right, that'd do it. It will always be funny how absolutely buttmad they get over that.
Supposedly Yostar is in the talks with Nexon about player backlash
>>575438151>Why not skip the mathBecause math is absolute.
>>575438130>Cause they're uninformeduhh sure buddy, keep saying that
>>575436541You are making things more complicated than they are.>old system200 rolls = 1 rateup student400 rolls = 2 rate-up students>new system100 rolls = 1 Miyako OR 1 rate-up student (50/50)200 rolls = 1 Miyako + 1 rate-up student300 rolls = 1 Miyako + 1 rate-up student + (1 Miyako OR 1 rate-up student (50/50))400 rolls = 2 Miyako + 2 rate-up students>Wow, the new system is so much better, you get one extra guaranteed off rate up ssr every 200 rolls!>So, what's the catch?!The catch is this is better as long as you don't get shit at all. With the old system your points accumulate, so that's an additional SSR you were always building in the background.The calculations about how much it takes to get one unit are correct but they are assigning the same value to "pity count" as to "spark points," but they are not the same, because points for spark ARE NOT pity count; the points always keep accumulating, and the pity goes puff the moment you touch a rate-up student.Pity and Spark are only equivalent in the very specific scenario where you don't get anything for 200 rolls That is not accounted for in the math.
>>575438096for actual lucklets the nightmare scenario is significantly less likely
>>575437980>>575437974If you aren't a 3rd worlder you should be able to separate persona from the person behind it.Seia voice actor is married irl but that doesn't change how you perceive Seia, does it?
>>575438212>adds Reddit spacing just to make the post more visible[-]
>>575437959>I want to keep posting gookako until I dieHeehee I have a solution you might be interested in
>>575438151>>575436116
>>575437623>is the
>>575438151>Either Nexon is incompetentIn both cases this is true which contradicts your whole premise you're trying to set up
alright, this graph was modeled using the new pity system, tell me how this is a bad thingpro tip: you can't
>>575437345>It will still take you years to get a enough pulls to get a proper distributionSo the exact same thing as before then? inb4 the current system magically aligns with most people's experience even though the probability of getting royally fisted is actually much higher>One bad random pity pull has a chance to fuck up your yearly budget and give you a reason to spent money.I see you've never had to double spark before>That's what they are aiming for and that's why you don't play math with jews.Obviously yes? They're banking on low impulse-control retards spending because they're incapable of saving for students they actually want. Surely /bag/ is above this right?>>575437643>law of large numbersOk so your personal average will converge to the true mean after infinitely many tries. How does this contradict what I said?>gambler's fallacyYou don't understand what gambler's fallacy is, I would suggest you stop using concepts you don't understand as arguments if you don't want to make a fool out of yourself
>>575438241>purposefully do the GFE>"n-no pls ignore their real life!"
>>575438015>Arguing about math is just pissing in the wind.The math was always a cope. The increased probability comes from added 50/50. The average case will hide that the new system is only better if you pull a lot and achieve that 50% success rate (you won't). It's a system created to break up your hoarding habits, self-control and to make you lose track of your spending.
>>575438242well, you saw it, so it worked
>>575438212>reddit spacingshant be reading and encourage everyone else not to
>>575438131YesMad?Gonna shit your pants? Continue to falseflag?Post login days homeboy
>>575436047>AI slopping is expensiveI very much doubt we're anywhere close to unsubsidized sloppery. The amount of electricitty you get to burn for $20 is insane.
>>575438130Who cares?People hate it. People didn't ask for it.The fact that they didn't bother using a live audience like how FGO handled their controversial update because of the backlash makes it impossible for me to see this as anything other than malicious.
>>575438267retard
>chink games are getting censored with each passing month, cancer fanbase>gook games can't go on without shooting themselves in the head, backstabbing is the norm>jap games are mindless grindslop treadmills with worse gacha rates and really bad trannylation >western videogame industry is collapsing, literally no games to look forward to in 2027 except maybe TW40kI wish things weren't so grim but the real life proves once again that retards with money will do everything in their power to ruin people's live just to prove their own retarded pointIt's all so tiresome
>>575438151No use arguing with Nexon call center . They're all trained to give the same replies MATH
>>575436858Do these numbers include the -200 pyro I'll get every raid because I can't UE my students anymore so the plat life is over?
>>575438356And just like that, the ragebaiter's mask falls off.
>>575438375I like it. I asked for it.
Getting 1 student with 100 pulls is as probable as was getting 2 with 200 pulls. You technically get the same value, 1 character per 100 pulls but characters do not have the same meta value what makes the new system significantly better for meta pullers even before taking into account that it's just straight up better on average.
>>575436108>>575436047>>575436330>>575437006>>575437231>>575437006Arufag slopper here, I asked Claude, Flagship Model Fable 5.Cost of this reply $30:>Looking at the numbers, I don't think this is a close call — I'd lean toward the old Spark System being better for players, and here's why in plain terms.1. The "get 2 units" table tells the real story.>Since BA banners almost always come in duos or trios, most players aren't chasing one character — they want two. Looking at the image you shared:>At 100 pulls: Old 15.54% vs New 15.85% — basically tied.>At 150 pulls: Old 28.27% vs New 40.47% — New pulls ahead here.>At 200 pulls: Old 75.29% vs New 64.09% — Old jumps way ahead, because the Spark System guarantees you can pick one of the two banner characters outright at 200 points, and shared points let you flexibly split pulls between both banners.>At 250-286 pulls: they're neck and neck (~86%).>Only past 300 pulls does New pull decisively ahead (94.75% vs 87.76%).>So the new system only "wins" for players who are pulling 300+ times per cycle — that's whale territory. >For the average or even moderately dedicated player (100-250 pulls), the old system is equal or better at getting both characters, which is what most BA players actually want from a duo banner.2. The 50/50-at-100 mechanic is a genuine new risk, not just a "safety net.">In the old system, every single pull always had an independent 0.7% shot at the featured unit, and your worst case was always capped at exactly 200 pulls/24,000 gems, full stop — no RNG-within-RNG. >In the new system, you can now lose a coinflip at pull 100 and get an off-banner 3 instead, meaning you effectively get nothing new for 100 pulls and then still have to grind another 100 to hard pity. >That's a worse floor experience for unlucky players, not a better one — a coinflip you can lose isn't really a "safety net," it just adds variance to an already-long grind.CONT.
>>575438426Link the posts where you asked for it.
You think the guy that linked the arca thread to the gookako images immensely regrets what he did
>>575437451We didn't kill Scott. He killed himself by using expired water enhancers then avoiding going to the hospital. The retard literally spent his last days blogposting and laughing about how he vandalized the translations in some of the games he was in charge of
>>575438407A lot of people will leave, including whales and everybody else wont have everybody at U40 now too, so rankings will decrease appropriately.
I came back after 18 hours and we're still blogging about what
>>575438295>So the exact same thing as before then?No, because 50/50 is one chance per banner as opposed to spreading the increased rate to all pulls.>I see you've never had to double spark beforeNo, never. Unless it was FES and I already planned for it to get elephs and dupes.>Surely /bag/ is above this right?lol, lmao. Not even the retards who pretend to have 200IQ and know math are safe.
sorry I don't listen to people who admit to having a micropenis online
Blue Archive Has A Big Problem And It's Not The Gacha
>>575438108>the absolute state of /psg/ after feetna came out and half the general stopped posting Japanese rhythm games, not even once
>>575438464CONT.3. Losing the Spark System's flexibility is a real downgrade.>The old system let you freely reallocate 200 shared points across concurrent banners — pull 150 on Banner A, 50 on Banner B, and choose either result. >The new pity system (as described) resets to 0 the moment you win a character and only carries over between banners of the same type — it doesn't obviously let you split progress between two simultaneously-running featured banners the way Spark did. >For BA's duo/trio banner format specifically, this is a structural loss of control for players.4. The Eligma/Keystone concern is legitimate.>Under the old system, expired points converted 1:1 into Keystones — a guaranteed trickle of crafting currency for players who didn't spend enough to hit spark. >If the new pity system just carries progress forward instead of ever "expiring" points into a currency, that automatic Keystone/Eligma income disappears. >That's a quiet economic downgrade even if the headline pity numbers look competitive.My honest read: >The "more F2P/casual-friendly" argument mostly holds up only in aggregate, long-run, single-character framing — which isn't how BA is actually structured or how most players engage with it. >For the game as it's actually played (duo/trio banners, wanting multiple units, moderate pull counts), the old Spark System was more predictable, more flexible, and arguably just as efficient or better up to the point where most players stop pulling anyway. >The new system's real advantages show up mainly for high-spend players who are pulling 300+ times — which is a minority.My final judgment:>If I had to pick one to defend as "better for players broadly," I'd defend the old Spark System.
>things got so grim the rentry anon didn't make team list for GozWHAT THE FUCK
>>575438490Yes because we didn't have to pay for it.
No one in JP is protesting about this anymore, I think it's actually over. At least it is not as bad as originally thought I guess but still
>>575438468Every single time I had to double spark
>>575438612>meanwhile in my made-up reality
>>575438382ESLbab...
>>575438560It's my urge to cum
how did your club react to the news, bag?
>>575438612CCs released videos explaining why the new system is good so everyone is now on the same page. There will be no change.
>open xitter>timeline filled with iroha art from just the past few hoursWas I lied to? Deceived? This is not the flop I was promised!
>>575438687no they didn't
How come we haven't seen blackface or whatever his name was in such a long time? where have all the weirdos been all this time? I don't even remember what happened to them
>>575438612I literally see bitching between Iroha's ass and Satsuki's tits
>>575437075Why do people keep parroting this cope? The EA/Embark guy has literally nothing to do with Blue Archive, he made an entire report on how he wanted to tackle Nexon's business strategy earlier this year and Blue Archive isn't even mentioned in the entire report once.https://www.nexon.co.jp/uploads/CMB%202026%20Deck_EN_for%20Upload_v2.pdfDoes Nexon even handle this shit in the first place instead of Yostar? When Maplestory had a major nexon themed collab two years ago they put characters from all their other games into Maplestory, EXCEPT Blue Archive which was completely absent from the event. Nexon knows people would shill out heavily for Blue Archive themed cosmetics in Maplestory especially considering all the custom BA sprites people get commissioned to make for Maplestory Worlds. If Nexon wanted more money they would be milking the BA IP way harder yet they aren't even doing that.
>>575438192Big if true but not holding my breath
>new system is betterI don't care about that. I don't even care if the new system went on its knees and sucked my penis + swallow.I just don't like CHANGE. I want things to remain the SAME. Things that are different from before are BAD.
>>575438673Mari Pray stickers
>>575438654RETARD
>>575438290SOVLBut for real, new system could potentially be better if you aren't a metafag or bondfag and just need to get the rate up, the real problem is how lazy Nexon/Yostar relayed those changes and how similar it is to genshin system, thus triggering mass ptsdI am lucklet so I expect to be fucked regardless but oh well, the cat is out of the bag, at least we don't need to wait for long to test it out
>>575438687Fuck, I meant the change won't get reverted>>575438736https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FdMqjYEU8U
>>575438673
>>575438191I remember spamming Chinese people on twitter with pictures of iroha, hifumi and cherino's tanks in a line like a certain Chinese square
>>575438673No one says a single word in my club. Ever.
>>575438151I'm shilling for the change nonstop but I'll talk seriously:1. It's to milk whales who go for 600+ pulls, this is the main point. They made things easier for low spenders and F2P, but made it harder for whales to farm their shit. I've played many gacha games, the truth is that this gacha is too easy on whales. Other games have their top spenders spending 10 times more. 2. I've said it before:>Old system average: 108 pulls to get one unit>New system average: 90 pulls to get one unitAnd, yes, people will be saving 18 pulls. Still, those might be 90 pulls that you wouldn't use before the change. So some people will interact more with the gacha system, and won't feel that pressured to save for bluefes, but that might snowball into them ending up miscalculating, interacting WAY too much with the gacha, and ending up having to buy pakeji.
>>575438550>No, because 50/50 is one chance per banner as opposed to spreading the increased rate to all pulls.In other words if your feelings say so then it has to be true>No, never. Unless it was FES and I already planned for it to get elephs and dupes.So not only are you a newfag you're a retarded one at that who could have guesses
>>575438812H** could y** **vn type ** a c**b?
>>575438749>Does Nexon even handle this shit in the first place instead of Yostar?Yes, they do. It's all management decision and that what Nexon does. The CEO set up a broad company objective and the middle management is forcing individual teams to milk everything they have.
>>575438762Go to bed grandpa
>>575438767>was = is Good job doubling down on your retardedness
100 threads since the stream and this is the conclusion we reached regarding the new gacha system?
>>575438395embrace the Indies, they're the only games truly getting better with each passing year
Can we go back to childposting instead larping as mathematician?
>>575438812What's *** ***** in say*** anyt**** **** t** **** l***s l*** ****
>>575438673I left my club by accident
>>575438831>It's to milk whales who go for 600+ pullsthey're giving them a better deal
So now that we are all unanimously in agreement that the new system is better, can we talk about pandemonium summer and Gehenna chapter now?
>>575438749>Does Nexon even handle this shit in the first place instead of Yostar?Yeah Kim himself sent a letter during the Track Hasumi fiasco.
>>575438892I love these maidens. So pure
>>575438889A rational consensus is forming at last, give it some extra time. >>575438831Yeah that's the new model
Heymy favorite studentisKoyukiWhat is yours?
>>575438874You just said a bunch of buzzwords and didn't even try to address any of the points I made
>>575436145why did they introduce the new system?
>>575438748>between Iroha's ass and Satsuki's titsThat's my home...
>>575438612https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lfaf6z5s8They are posting about it.
>>575438415no argument.
>just suck it up and accept what the multi-billion dollar company gives you
>>575438874Source: my jeet ass
>>575438892No, my natsu is too smart for that.
>>575438852>In other words if your feelings say so then it has to be trueThat's not the feeling. The new system is not equal distribution, yet you keep pretending it is. It's has bigger variance and bad 50/50 pull has worse consequences.
>>575436856How much DMG does this team even do?
The EOSThe EOS is REAAAAAL
https://x.com/kan_ppang/status/2081627898889531441?s=20unironically, is this safe to post?
>>575438812About the Recruitment Renewal1. About Recruitment ChargeThere are two types of Recruitment Charge:Recruitment ChargeIncreases each time you perform a regular Pickup Recruitment.Limited Recruitment ChargeIncreases each time you perform a Limited Pickup Recruitment or an Anniversary Limited Pickup Recruitment.Recruitment Charge and Limited Recruitment Charge are tracked separately.However, the count is shared among banners of the same type that are running during the same period, including rerun banners.ExampleSuppose the following banners are active at the same time:Regular Pickup A: 10 pullsRegular Pickup B: 12 pullsLimited Pickup C: 5 pullsLimited Pickup D: 15 pullsThen:Recruitment Charge = 10 + 12 = 22Limited Recruitment Charge = 5 + 15 = 202. Resetting Recruitment ChargeYour Recruitment Charge is only reset when you obtain a featured (pickup) character from any banner of the same type.It does NOT reset simply because a new pickup banner begins.Additionally, if you obtain the featured character during a 10-pull, the Recruitment Charge is reset at the exact pull where the featured character appeared, and then counting resumes from 0 for the remaining pulls in that 10-pull.ExampleYou have accumulated 58 pulls without obtaining the featured character.You perform one 10-pull.The featured character appears on the 3rd pull.Result:The counter reaches 61 (58 + 3), then immediately resets to 0.The remaining 7 pulls in that 10-pull are counted, so after the multi finishes your Recruitment Charge is 7.what I don't get is exactly what means "regular recruitment" and "limited recruitment" is based on the type of character in the banner or the banner itself?For example, after Iroha if there is a new event with a new character with a limited pickup, and I have 90 pity points, and the new character is a Permanent character, I only need 10 rolls?Or the new character needs to be a "limited" character?
>>575438972They wanted to sabotage the gehenna fes (it worked)Even if the main story will be good, people will shitpost it to death worse than they did with v1c3
>>57543906816m
>>575438964
>>575438831This is disingenuous in nature, it's not whale specific. You're not accounting for dupes and elephs and only focusing on new units. The new system gives you more NEW but less overall if you account for multiple copies.
>>575438769People would still chimp out no matter how much effort Nexon laid out the new rates. People are retarded and prone to bandwagon, simple as.
>>575438926I love Iroha and Ibuki and Makoto and Chiaki and Satsuki and they are all pure sex
>>575439010The multi-billion dollar company is making a deal with you of better odds in exchange of you staying quiet about them milking the whales more. You're a fucking up the deal with your sperging.
>we postingreally?
24 hour art resultsSwimsuit Seia: 79Swimsuit Iroha: 24
>no pat reminders
>>575439120shill
>>575438972People were constantly posting screenshots getting nothing in 200 or 400 so kind Kim/YOstar/Nexon wanted to change it for the better.
Nigga Miyu
>>575438673I had a schizo meltdown and one guy said he thinks it looks bad too and hopes they don't go forward with it
>>575438604Wait, we have Goz tomorrow?Time to torture him with bArisu
>>575439152The changes suck too much for nice posting
Ui
>>575438464>>At 100 pulls: Old 15.54% vs New 15.85% — basically tied.this can't possibly be right due to 50/50 @ 100?
Reposting this bangerhttps://youtu.be/xpuUpGqSPOA
>>575439141Do they really need to make chibis so bottom heavy?
>>575439093I finished a spark for a dupe a grand total of 3 times in my 6000 roll history. The extra eligma from the guaranteed 3* makes up for it.
>>575439150I saw 20 new Iroha ones in the past 4 hours thougheverbeit. 161 images in my 5.5 fes folder and about half are Iroha.
>always shat on 5050s and the genshin system and praised BA's for not being the scummy industry standard>BA changes to industry standard >>>>>>erm actually goyim, this is a good thingHmmmmmm
If Nexon was really so gracious that they would change the system to benefit the players then why not make pity carry over or increase drop rates ever so slightly.Wake the fuck up.
>>575439093Eligma is pretty much the same because of the extra guaranteed in the 50/50 if you don't get banner student
Forcing 50/50 every 100 rolls is against spirit of randomness.If I don't get anything in 200 rolls I deserved it.Stop trying to help lucklets, they deserve their fate
Can we talk about something else?
>>575439146>here's why milking the playerbase is actually a good thing
There's only 2 reasons to make this change. One is if the spark system was going to run afoul of legal issues (unlikely). The other is to make more money. So follow that. How are Nexon going to make more money out of this system?
>>575439219it's assuming two units at 100 pullsyou can't flip twice at 100 pulls
blah blah blah this is all boring can we talk about the actual fes now
>>575439315How did they make more money from the archive banner?
>>575439110is this a bait for ants?
>>575439282Eleph from a random 3* is not equivalent to what you get from sparking a copy.
>>575439352This is the actual fes. That's why it was announced in the fes stream.
>>575438769New system is incredibly better as long as we talk about worst case scenarios where you never hit the rateup student.But if you hit the rateup student in any moment it shits on you. It basically replaces an ssr building in the background for a 50/50 chance of getting that ssr directly early (or an ssr spook).
>>575438972Certainly nothing to do with revenue.
>>575437126That's retarded, it'll take years for it to become "better in the long run", but in the short run one bad 50/50 can set your whole year back
Going in and out of Ibuki 's 10cm tunnel!
I'm so glad I never used money on this shit.
>>575439367It is when it happens mucn more often
>>575439152anyone sane would be dispirited
Where can I sell my day 1 account?
>>575439357>How did they make more money from improving the value of the regular pool?Think about it for more than 2 seconds, retard. They aren't a charity.
>>575438151>>575438972>Why not skip the math and ask what would be the motivation for Nexon changing the system to begin with?Anyone who isn't arguing in bad faith knows the actual motivation behind this change is to make more money by milking players, this is a given and you'd be deluded if you genuinely thought they're making this change out of kindness.Now with that in mind the real question you should ask yourself as a non-retarded player is not "if" they're going to be making more money, it's "how".
>>575439352Very sex.
>>575439260>industry standard>no multiple copies, no banner types, large amount of free pyrosYou would be lucky if the monetization was where I stopped with the list of reasons those games are dogwater.
niggas really thought nexon wouldnt j*w them. KEKd they have been doing this to their games since forever.
>>575439426I'll give you $30.
>lost half of resetposters>lost the word cloud guy>gogurtposter stopped gogurtpostingshit's that grim huh
>>575439357You can only use archive tickets or pyros. There are not enough tickets to pull everything you need if you're a new player.
>>575438464>>575438602>$30 to tell me what I already knowmaybe it'll convince othersthanks for your work aru
>>575439410Then in the short run one bad double spark under the old system can set you 4 years back.
>>575437221Chibidev is our only light in these darkest of times.
>>575439289Go ahead.My favorite topics are students with massive tits and students with massive tits.
Going in and out of Kokona's 30 cm tunnel! (I couldn't satisfy her...)
>>575439467Reroll for Shun. Spark Ako. There you have everyone important.
>>575439415>never used bought pakeji
>game is not doing so well>change gacha to make more moneyother than more volumes, more limiteds, more playable content, and the the obvious things like skins/marriage mechanics etc. what else could make more money for BA?
>>575439426Also this, can I change my email? I want to change to burner email before selling it.
I got 1 if not both of the rateup students in 7 / 10 sparks in the last 6 months. I might go further back today and check on the prior 6 months at this rate.Even if the statistics somehow pan out with the new system being better, I know for a fact I'm not going to like the feeling of missing coinflips or having pity reset.As much as they will try to ignore it, how something feels is a valid reason for disliking things - especially when there wasn't any pressing reason to change the system.
>>575439426I'll give you a fiver.
>>575437221I will never forgive Nexon for ruining Chiakifes.
>>575439506
>>575439321but since you have a 50% chance of rateup on roll 100 you only need to luckshit single unit by roll 99 and then switch banners and do your 50% flip.Versus just luckshitting two drops naturally.
>>575438673Doom, despair, devastation
>>575439352Best fes by far. I must say, Pandemonium won.
>talk mad shit about genshin every time a friend brings it up>say how bad his gacha rates are and mine are friendly because they focus on being a franchise over milking people in game>now this happens and I can't talk about it within my friend group or they'll probably laugh at me
>>575439410>That's retarded, it'll take years for it to become "better in the long run"YOU are retarded.The most likely outcome is you will have more students than before for the same amount of pyros.
>>575439516Skins and marriage mechanics would bring in so much money they wouldn't know what to do with it but they're cowards so they won't add it.
You must be wondering why did Nexon not sell Ibuki's bare tummy for the latest outfit? It's to hide the womb tattoo that will be revealed alongside her thunder emperor identity.
>>575437003>Edge case, doesn't matter.It matter any time you get a student between 101-199 rolls.
>>575439514And you have to farm the rest for god knows how long. The archive system is only good for old players to reduce dupes, but fucks over newcomers who are more dependent on older guides and advice, but have no real means to get those students without using their pyrox. It's a newbie trap.
>>575439352Gacha changes were announced during the fes stream, so we're talking about fes content, yes
>>575439504Satsuki's tits keep getting bigger
>>575439592your fault
The new gacha system is better and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
>>575439504I need Kaguya playable in game now. Imagine her l2d where you bury your fac
>>575439357A seperate banner you have to roll on if you want more than a handful of the archived girls, plus undiluting the main pool so people feel more confident they aren't just going to get rats as spooks? Pretty easy. I'm not saying that they can't make more money by being generous. I'm saying figure out how they are going to make more money and use that as your basis. When they lowered spark to 200 rolls, that made them more money because it made people actually feel good about the game, so they had a more engaged playerbase.So how are they expecting to make more money out of this? Figure that out and you can figure out actually how you'll be affected and therefore if the change is good or bad.
They'll just add it and not say anything, what do you even want them to say?>yo, dumb bitchass, we made it easier for you but better for us because we can milk the top 1% harder, be quiet stupid
>>575439592No good thing lasts forever
Is there a webm of Sagsuki's ex skill?
>>575439516Releasing figures faster.Chiaki isn't releasing until July of next year.I only have her ordered to have a complete set when Makoto, Ibuki and Satsuki get sprite pose figures and theirs aren't even announced yet.>>575439592Look on the bright side, at least when you lose a 50/50 it's not to the same pool of launch characters, you don't need 8 gorillion dupes and you have no weapon banner tax.As much as I hate the changes, BA's stystem is STILL better than theirs, even if copying them is a disgusting sight.
>>575439352Yeah it's time to move on, no more gacha shit talk
>>575439618I'm wondering more why they gave Iroha a swimsuit that is arguably less revealing than Ibuki's.
...why are the jeetshills still typing?
>>575439469>maybe it'll convince others>thanks for your work aruIf you can, please give me some common questions or "bad faith" arguments shitposters present about this gacha system debate so Claude Fable 5 can refute them as well.I will just repost the answers here. I don't mind spending money.
>>575439637I had every farmable unlocked in under a year of playing. Even the useless ones from hard stages like Karin.
>>575439464I went sober for the last 6 years but I started drinking again yesterday because of the recent news. It's really over isn't it? Were we too arrogant? Did we really think we could stay at the top forever?
I live to put little girl feet into my mouth.Sincerely, Sensei of Schale
>>575439260I joined BA BECAUSE it wasn't doing the shit that the other modern gacha were doing, it was the most fair system and overall a generous game all things considered. Seeing it do this shit is really dropping my motivation to continue, fun characters and world be damned. I really hate this neverending corporate expectation of infinite growth, like just be happy you have a steady stream of revenue, milking customers to the limit shouldn't be the fucking goal. /blog
It's funny seeing the shit no name gacha pulls that people are talking about now because of this gacha change
>>575439682>t. Nexon shill
I genuinely can't for the live of me understand why there was so much backlash to the gacha changes outside of it just being changed after all these years. The new system shouldn't affect you because you shouldn't be playing gacha games if you're not a luckshiter.
>>575439516The game is doing more than well, but executives are an issue because they don't understand business. I would say spinoffs like a fighting game spinoff.
>>575439608It's an obvious choice but clashes with the feel of the game, that's why im wondering what else they can do>>575439680Is merch really that big of a money maker?
>>575439559Never mind, I need rest
>>575439686Someone splurged for 250$ in Google cards.
Shillbots are out in full force I see
Nothing will happen and "you" will have to accept it.
Nexon did a really fast one here. At firs5 glance the change looks good. The only range in which the new system is the worst is at 200~280 rolls, which... happens to be what most players spend per banner. So while the other ranges are "neutral" or "better", it doesn't matter because you are most likely to fall in the "worst" range most of the time.
>>575439467yeah it only went over so well cuz we got a bunch of free pulls from itthat's also kinda why I'm still skeptical about fes archive
I shifted to alternate reality where we had 50/50 from the beginning to check if it really is better than what we have.My account had less students and they were lower UE on averageSpark system remains superior
>>575439747>Is merch really that big of a money maker?For BA, yes. It's an outlier among its competitors and by a wide margin.
Goodnight my fellow burgers, that's enough for one day
>>575439730holy fucking shit
>>575439747they get mad if you point to art numbers but ba characters are insanely popular, moreso than 99% of characters in other big gachas. that translates directly to merch.
>>575439736Basically>math hard, change = bad, hurrdurr
>>575439680That is true that the absolute worst thing that's happened to our game (so far) is still better than their game.I just hope they don't alter it any further.
>>575439802>source: my ass
>>575438602This is genuinely sad. We've had multiple anons simulate the situation and explain it and you're using a language model on an image, not even having it use tools to write a script and attempt to check its claims, and blindly taking it as useful.
>>575439708>under a year of playingIt's possible, but it entirely depends on your strategy how much you farm. Generally, you can achieve max lvl faster than you can farm and you will be missing those students. As I said, it's a newbie trap and they don't get those few extra ticket we got when the system started.
Where can I download gookako folder from arca.live?
>>575439834>Nexon is my friend and they changed the gacha system to make them less money
>>575439819What do you mean night? You stay up this long?
>>575439765I see give it to me please. I need money to buy RAM
>>575439848>He can't shift
>>575439747>Is merch really that big of a money maker?Kim has painted it as so.I remember positing that it was where the lions share of their money was coming from in the post when people used to shitpost revenue charts regularly, but at the same time Kim was in presentations talking about them raking in multiple times worth the money on that charc - not just like 2-3 either, it was in the 10s iirc.That money has to come from somewhere and Kim was talking about how they were ramping up figure production and they (and the art books) were regularly best sellers.
>>575439865do review bombing like this has any effect to the game and revenue?
>>575439865>global See you later this week
>>575439885That's like one 128MB stick at this point...
>>575439867> changed the gacha system to make them less moneythis but unironically
>>575439882It's only 3am
>>575436164For the people saying "Ummm actually it's better you have to roll less!!"If that was true, why would they put it?
>>575439819It's 6, almost 7, AM!
>>575439920It does nothing. So please stop doing it.
You either trust the math or you're woman brain.
>oh wow I got both students before 200! how queer! now let me finish the spark to get the ligma because it's a good dealTHAT'S FUCKING GONE
>>575438779He's getting shit on in the comments hard
I spent money that I was going to use for pakeji and instead bought manga and Xenoblade Chronicles X DE.
>>575439946People have answered that question like 100 times in this thread already. Are you a bot?
>>575439975>trustPlease control yourself miss. Men are talking.
>>575439946Because Generous Archive
>not once during the stream did they present the changes as being good for players>/bag/ shills do it for them anyway with disingenuous math
>umm, dont stare too much. cant we just start already?
>>575439786The new system is only good if you never ever touch the sr on rateup. Which is impossible.The new system is worse because "spark points" and "pity count" is not the same thing and don't have the same value.If you reach 200 rolls without getting jackshit you get your ssr + an extra spook ssr.But if you get the rateup student at some point you are losing 50,60,70% whatever of another extra ssr rateup student.Building up points is not building up pity
>>575439464>things that never happened but if I keep repeating them I will surely convince someone to leave this generalJust go back to spamming 3dpd and ERPing with yourself now that the thread is a bit slower. The word cloud guy is still here but you need to lurk more or at least find better doomposting material
>>575439957
>>575439516>game is not doing so wellBULLSHIT
if the new system is better, why do they need 172648 graphs to prove it?
Honestly, I respect the gookako posters a lot more now.They didn't doompost and still act like a jester in time like this.What a chad you guys are.
>>575439975>trustDidn't Nexon get in trouble for lying about Maplestory rates for 10 years?
>>575440040Remember, they do it for F R E E
>>575439867They did once already, so?
>>575439920None since it only affect JP players so basically Globalcucks screaming at things that aren't even affecting them.
I give 6 to 7 hours for them to make a public statement
>>575440057They're doing so poorly they can only afford to sponsor the entire Japanese football league... It's over...
>>575440006what mango
They could have doubled the rate-up chances and you fuckers would still have found a way to spin it as a bad thing and complain. Jesus Christ.
>>575440078It's a clown's job to spread happiness even in bad times
>>575439975>Eat the bugs, lobsters are basicly bugs! No, I don't think I will Chang.
>>575438151>>575438831>people will interact more with the gacha system, and won't feel that pressured to save for bluefes, but that might snowball into them ending up miscalculating, interacting WAY too much with the gacha, and ending up having to buy pakeji.I like how you use "interact" here like some corporate suit.The reality is just that part though, they are adding a 50/50 to get people to gamble more, which translates into people LOSING more, which translates into less pyros in the players' hands at specific periods of time, leading to more pakeji.This was NOT a change made with the players in mind.As you said, you'll "save" 18 pulls now, but that's only if you are rolling (thus increasing your odds of losing) when back then you'd just save the rolls by simply not rolling and just waited for appropriate moments to roll. They don't want you doing that. They want you gambling so you lose your jimmies with the promise of you saving jimmies in the long run (lol)
>>575440125retard
>>575440078>He thinks they're acting
>>575440082Do you >trust the rates now?
So the new system is ostensibly better when you have a quick look, but does anyone actually think that Nexon really wanted to make the gacha better/more friendly? Even accepting that premise, is that change really the best change they could make to improve the gacha? Surely having pity carry over between banners would have been a far better signal and indicator that Nexon wanted to improve the gacha experience. Given that they did not do that, we have to ask why?
>>575440114It's like 8:30 pm there.there will be no announcement today
Reminder that the new system is better as soon as you spend 400 rolls. If you have 400 rolls and want SSatsuki, SMakoto, SIroha, and SIbuki, the chance of you getting all of them under the new system is the same as the old system. It's not 75% vs 56% anymore. It's 64% for both. And the more you roll while wanting to keep the ratio of 2 students per 200 rolls, the success rate keeps growing in favor of the old system. So you only need to roll 400 times to be better off in the in both the average and worst case.
No Iroha tummy on her swimsuit is a crime against humanity
even if it has better rates to get students, the new system is more predatory therefore worse>just a 10-pull, the pity will carry over anyway>I'm already at 90, I'll just do the coinflip>I got the first student in just 100 pulls, might as well pull for the other one too and hope I get it in the 100 coinflipthey changed it because this system is more predatory = will make them more money, that's literally it
>>575440117Soul Eater.
>>575440078>t. gookako
>>575439920Marginally by making new people change their mind on starting the game after seeing mostly negative reviews and reading said reviews.
>>575440125Smartest Anti-Mage picker
So...the rates are the same, AND I get a 50/50 in the middle of it to get them earlier? Wtf? This is awesome>but I can't get supper lucky 150+ pulls anymoreDon't care, every time I want both I enter every banner with enough pyros to double spark, the way I see it I just got two free 50/50 rolls
>>575440178Pity does carry over between banners. The purpose of this chance is to encourage people to roll when they don't have a full spark. As long as you don't do that or aren't a whale rolling for a million dupes you are better off.
>>575440159They'll call you a retard but never call you a liar.
>>575440082 did Maplestory EoS...?
Students with 15cm tunnels?
>>575439984People still will pretend that points for sparks and pity count is the same thing. Despite them only being the "same thing" if you get 200 without nothing at all.If they aknowledge "spark points > pity points" then the whole argument about new system being overall better crumbles
>>575440125No, that would actually be simple, understandable and predictable change.
>>575440225>more ragebait
>>575439984It is the absolute worst for fes. Last year in this time I got both Mika and Nagisa in under 200, then spent 30 more rolls for guaranteed 1050 ligma. Ain't no fucking way I'm rolling for ligma now when I am not guaranteed to get any until I spend another 200 rolls.
>>575440189It's more predatory but it is better if you are not a retard. I thought everyone here was smart no? It shouldn't be a problem.
>>575440006I'm going to buy the switch 2 upgrade pack for XB2, but I don't really feel like going through the gacha system in that game again for kosmos >>575440190Good taste
>>575440240MapleStory 2 did
>>575440078the announcement turned me into a gookako
>>575440225retard
>>575440189LINE MUST GO UP YOU STUPID COMMIECAPITALISM WORKSCOMMUNISM DOESN'TGOT IT????????????????????????
>>575440189Gacha games are intrinsically predatory, maybe you should stop playing the game if you can't control your impulses?
Don't let the gacha changes distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.
>>575440178There's 2 possibilities here, they did it on purpose and wanted to milk the whales without them noticing, or they did it on accident because of incompetence and future changes will fuck us over after they figure it out.
>>575440345>all gacha mechanics are the same, so you should accept everything
>>575440082Maplestory is making more money than ever so clearly it's working.
>>575440307When will nintendo increase switch 2 price again? Xenoblade 2 makes me wants to buy it rather than buying pakeji
I asked claude to read this thread and asked why people are so divided>So why the split?Not because either side is confused — because they're different players. The change is a straightforward transfer of value from heavy pullers to light pullers, dressed as an improvement. Defenders quoting the ~90 average are casual-to-midcore and correctly better off. Critics are the ones who used to squeeze two units out of 200 pulls and now can't. Nexon's framing ("worst case is still 200!") is true and is also the part that changed least.
>>575440257NopeCan't they add this today? Like now? I love it
>>575440345>All gacha games are about rolling, maybe you shouldn't play if you don't like weapon banners!
>>575439091Someone this dumb wouldn't dress so hot
>>575440232>Pity does carry over between bannersIt does now, but with a "*". They could have just made the pity carry over without the "*". Given that they did not do that, we cannot consider this system an improvement on the old.
>>575440271>>575440345>>575440336I am not the target audience for this change, I simply dislike corporations taking advantage of consumers so I want to point it out
>>575440412Jewxon won??
>>575440431Can you explain why weapon banners are bad?
>>575440412I'm not sure what point you even think you're making
>they changed the gacha to increase the revenue!small brain>they changed the gacha to stop gogurtposting on /bag/GIGA brain
>>575440178>So the new system is ostensibly better when you have a quick look, but does anyone actually think that Nexon really wanted to make the gacha better/more friendly?No, they wanted you to gamble more. The system is only better if you use it more than the previous system. Your bad luck doesn't have the same value as your good luck. Bad luck puts you under mental pressure to spend more, good luck costs them nothing and can be mitigated by simply increasing the grind for stats.
>>575440460THEY'RE JUST BAD OK???
>>575440460nigga one of this game's appeals is that you roll only for girls
WHY CANT THE CIA CONTACT ME AND RECRUIT ME AS A SECRET AGENT AND SEND ME INTO COVERT OPERATIONS ACROSS THE WORLD? IM LITERALLY A NOBODY, NOBODY KNOWS ME, IM LITERALLY A GHOST IN THIS WORLD, I WOULD MAKE SUCH A GOOD AGENT. IM TIRED OF BEING A 30 YEAR OLD KISSLESS VIRGIN NEET!!
>>575438442Incorrect because meta pullers need the eligmas, so they by nature have to pull more to sustain the ligmaballs, but the new system not having an extra spark at 200 means they're also getting less ligmas overall which they have to cover with more rolls
>>575439315Every change, even positive, aims to make more money.
>>575440460nta but in fgo having to roll multiple times for the same one was really fucking bad and the 900 pity doesnt help, i think weapon banners are even worse
>>575440472Genius, I won
I used to make fun of gookakos and then I became oneit can happen to (you)>>541217302
>>575440460Weapon banners are good, but /bag/ isn't ready for that discussion yet. Wait till after they've accepted the gacha changes.
>>575440178Despite the clear better odds it impacts over non whales too because now it is more attractive to constantly engage with the gacha instead of always waiting to have 200 pulls and many many people will take the bait. You are correct, they are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts but not in the way you think.
>>575440425Most likely during the start of September, so you've got about a month to get it.
If they really wanted to make it better for the players they would've kept the old spark mechanics but they don't expire.
>>575440545buy the pakeji
>>575438520>you'll still be plat because everyone quiteThat's a positive grim situation if I ever saw one
>>575440603so which general is this jeet from?
>>575440460Yeah if you need to be told.Artificially inflating the price of a character to cost multiple rolls if you want them to be usable is shit.It's going to result in plenty of situations where a player will skip rolling a character they like because they can't get the bells and whistles that make them usable, or arguably worse - roll them and find that their purchase is a disappointment.Making people unhappy with the thing they have paid their pity-price to get or skipping characters they like entirely is a good way to get them to dislike or quit a game.
>>575440139A chad might mogWhen the jester talks, even the king listens
On the plus side, all of this is forcing my hand on some things in life I'd been putting off because BA is my coping mechanism and even if the change isn't the end of the world, it's a reminder that this won't last forever and I need to get my life on track
>use ai just to ask something stupid instead of thinking yourselfhumanity future looks bleakremind me of that one anon that got fired from museum because using ai
>>575440539So gachas are just about rolling new characters? Weapon banners are not bad, they let you upgrade characters you like. In Blue Archive you have no such option, everyone uses the same students at the same investment level.
>>575438673JP club (translating their messages, all separate people)>I think that's just worse>There's a lot of discussion if it's worse or better, I'm just confused. I am interested in the extra shop points you get for rolling>the gacha announcement overwhelmed me and I couldn't pay attention to anything in the last third>It's so bad it's not even laughable>it seems it's better when aiming for 1, and ever so slightly better when aiming for 2>it might be favorable overall, but going to 300 often is going to be unbearable>they took away the strategy of finishing the 200 rolls to guarantee the other one, so there is no point in there being double pickups in this game anymore. You need to choose what you're rolling on properly.>you can't finish the spark for 200 elephs anymore. ligma is going to be more precious than ever>I hate the new system!!!
>>575440651Wuwa, we get a free character dupe from shop btw. Hoyo could never.
Do we know at what pull treshholds the new gacha systems starts giving you free 10 pull tickets?
>>575438602>>For the game as it's actually played (duo/trio banners, wanting multiple units, moderate pull counts), the old Spark System was more predictable, more flexible, and arguably just as efficient or better up to the point where most players stop pulling anyway.This is correct, even all the MATH DUDES say this is trueThe point where the majority of people currently stand, the nee system is worse
>>575440640I just realized those packs are only available for 72 hours from the time you recruit the studentThat's some vile FOMO shit, jesus
>>575440685I'm not going to waste 8 hours on a Sunday doing math on something like this. The AI is faster and smarter than me.
gehenna volume will be wall to wall hinawankthere won't be one episode in either chapter without hina being there mark my words
>>575440686>Weapon banners are not bad, they let you upgrade characters you like.Except the upgrades are not optional. They are designed to be mandatory if you want to use the characters properly. It's just another layer of gambling intended to milk you for the most valuable resource the game has.
>>575440585Life is so much better after quitting FGO. Watching other people spend 1000+ sq for Merlin was the tipping point, good art/story but garbage gacha system.
>>575440761Correct, from the wording it seems you can't buy the Neru/Rio pack even if you own them, unless you rolled for them right now.
>>575440661That's just resource management. Some gacha games do have a semblance of gameplay so characters in them are not just pngs.
>>575440761Yeah the changes to the gacha are only one part of how scummy this update is. People are getting distracted by one thing and not seeing the full picture.
>>575440640>>575440761
>>575439730Reminder that BA technically does separate paid and free pyrox as well. probably due to some JP law
>>575440817jesus christThis literally reads something EA would do, just more weight for the swede theory.
they really fucked up by not giving ibuki a micro bikini to distract the fans from this shitshow
>>575440686>Weapon banners are not bad,weapon banners are the worst, because is not as if they are generally good for any character, and the same way the character loses a lot of output without his trademark weapon since they are specially tailored to interact with each other
I know the streetshitters from /vmg/ who are raiding us are really stupid but I never thought their IQ would be low enough to still come here to doompost pretending to be BA players and post using literal /v/ shit-tier reaction images
The piggies are already back to rimming nexon on xitter.
>>575440640>>575440761I would've unironically slurped if they didn't change the gacha lmao
Reminder that autistic people hate change no matter if it's for better or worseSo if you hate the changes you might simply be autistic, and that's okay!
>>575440809yeah I feel the same way
>>575440761this is worse than the 50/50 meme shit everyone seethes over
>>575440875I don't really understand the intention behind that in the first place.Most people who need that pack have Neru at UE50 right now. If they roll 1 Neru copy now, she goes to UE60 automatically and they no longer need the pack. It's just stupid marketing from my point of view.
>>575440901>people see the evidence and change their mindHow is this a bad thing?
>>575440686>use rolls to upgrade charactersit's fucking cancerdupe systems without ligmas are also pretty bad
>>575440928(You)
>>575440761>packs are only available for 72 hours from the time you recruit the studentsay sike.
I can't bring myself to finish act 4 with my mercs build, am I washed?
We're approaching full day seething
>>575439730I can't imagine how the people with ideas like that think. The risk is so obvious and the potential benefits unstable. Not even the worst addicts are so blind to just let that pass without any comment.
>>575440679I think jesters were even allowed to insult kingsso, I think gookakos should gookako some more
BROSBROS BROS BROSIS THIS TRUE?HAVE WE MISSUNDERSTOD THE "GOOD GUYS" ALL THIS TIME???
>>575440894NOW you're going to make them really mad
>>575440975buhiiiii
>>575439452We already know how#1: they introduced ligmas pakejis, they know people won't have ligma anymore after the update #2: a new upgrade system, no one would be surprised if they eventually monetized this too#3: release more wanted/desired students in double banners (since this is where the AVERAGES meme maths gets fucked) so people have to gamble more, lose more pyroxenes, and have to buy more pakejis
>>575440892You ignored the rest of the argument. The difference between rolling for a student in BA is that you need to have them or you lose basic human rights but in something like ZZZ, you do not lose out on anything by skipping top tier characters. You can build teams however you please and still obtain all the rewards.
>>575441021>It's been 24 hours! Why haven't they accepted ze bugs yet?
>>575441039
>>575441039no lmao
>>575441004Bottom text該当生徒のピックアップ募集で生徒を獲得した時点から72時間以内でのみ購入可能となります
>>575441039Someone posted a Yostar comment about how they've been trying to fight back the implementation of 50/50.
>>575440724The last part is wrong, the old system gets more favorable later on in the higher rolls, not the other way around. For casual low rollers the new system is noticeably better. But the other point the anons are bringing up about the ligmas is the most important negative aspect of the new system imo. Metafags and whales will suffer at the expense of newfags and casuals, but at the same time it's probably also going to get the casuals gambling more because of the 50/50 psychological game.
>>575441078You can roll for whoever you like and only lose out on 200 pyro a month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jyRyo1YaP4 WE ARE ALL HAVING A GOOD TIME SENSEI DON'T MISS OUT
>>575440178I think they're trying to appeal to a wider crowd and have people pull more often.They've created this problem where people simply skip almost everyone that isn't a limited, and so their solution was to either make every other student limited (making the pool of random students essentially worthless shit you don't want) or letting people throw a few pulls on a banner every now and then, which helps maintain some sort of excitement even during banners that are less interesting.
>>575441117>fight backlollmao even
>>575441039His actions didn't reflect that in the slightest.
>>575440839>That's just resource management.That's just besides the point.You asked why weapon banners are bad and got told.BA has resource management without weapon banners - it releases more characters that your resources are spent on that have a bigger positive impact than slapping a weapon to someone's back.Explain why the weapon is better - don't try to act a clown talking about resource management.>Some gacha games do have a semblance of gameplay so characters in them are not just pngs.Unfortunately this is /bag/ not /alg/.Again, you're supposed to be trying to argue why weapon banners are better than character banners.If your weapons are providing more gameplay changes than your characters could if they were baked into them that speaks volumes about how much worse your character design is than even the png collectors.
Hot take butI actually like Blue Archive; Epic Anime RPG
>MakotoEnergetic, spunky goofball fun to be around>HinaMopey mary sue rape victim
>>575439080I feel like "limited" and "anniversary" will be two different things
>>575441154How long until elephants invade?
>>575441119Metafags don't roll dupes for ligma. You get enough passively to get everyone important to UE40 and can still do the highest difficulty. See >>575436856
>>575441147That's not the case in (some) games with weapon banners but you try to portray them as more predatory.
>>575438673My club spams Aru stickers 24/7
Friendly reminder that the game Blue Archive doesn't actually make much money for Nexon at all, it's only really popular in Japan, a region that only makes up for 2% of the total revenue of Nexon. For all other regions, BA isn't even relevant enough to mention at all in their quarterly reports.https://pdf.irpocket.com/C3659/WUpy/QYQt/mjjz.pdf
>>575439452>, it's "how".We already know that. They effectively killed the safe 200 pull checkpoint most players worked and planned around so people now will most likely go beyond that.They also selling ligmas directly
Would you guys accept the gacha changes if they compensated by adding a weapons banner?
>>575441195I like Makoto because she's really funny and cool
Don't care, didn't ass
>>575441205So if you got the second student at 190, you would just not finish that spark for ligma huhLiar
Im just gonna go play vidya
>>575441117https://x.com/inventeam/status/2081560863576916221This?Well I'm not holding my breath
>>575440839Holy retard. Just say you enjoy getting your wallet fucked by Goldstien.
>>575441195Many are saying this.
>>575440067YOU ARE ECONOMIC TERRORIST, LUDDITE AND PUBLIC ENEMY, DIE
>>575441247You are more likely to go below 200 and win than go over 200 and lose under the new system compared to the old
>>575441258>you don't get the weapon anymore upon hitting 5*, you have to roll for it separatelyWow! This is a great change because it's better on average! Or something
nonny...
>>575441154i've always wondered this, who's the guy who shows up in every FES?
>>575441073>they know people won't have ligma anymore after the update[citation needed]>a new upgrade system, no one would be surprised if they eventually monetized this tooloaded language fallacy>release more wanted/desired students in double banners (since this is where the AVERAGES meme maths gets fucked)straight up verifiably wrong, you either don't understand probabilities or you're trying to give imaginary meanings to known results because it fits your narrative
>>575441323Heehee
>Soon "people" will be unironically saying BA was losing Nexon money and that's why they changed gacha
>>575441314You are also more likely to go past 200 if you lose 50/50.
>>575439460Do you really think they'll stop at the 50/50?They didn't stop at the battle pass.
>>575441325There are 4 niggas in a row. You need to be specific which one
/bag/ rn:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EwrprU6xCU
>>575441183I'm not trying to argue why weapon banners are better, retard. All I said is they're not bad. The reason is that the games with them are designed differently and weapons are worth getting in some cases and also skippable in others, for example vertical investment lets you play your favorites and ignore the meta. If you love Mutsuki and got her dress alt, you will not use her anywhere. Her pull value is almost 0.
say it with me: ONLY PULL LIMITEDS FROM NOW ON
POST MORE IMEJIS
>>575441247>They effectively killed the safe 200 pull checkpoint most players worked and planned around so people now will most likely go beyond that.You are close but you're gonna have to work a tiny bit more to find the actual unbiased answer
>>575441382And you are also more likely to go below 200 if you win the 50/50.
>Kim Yong Ha, Director of Blue Archive, used to be in the armyWHAT THE FUCK?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>575441039Now you've seen the light.
>>575441436Sounds like a terrible change then.
>>575441323its over isnt it ?
Day 2 of waking up to this nightmare. I wanna go back to sleep but maybe work will be a good distraction for once.
yeah I'm done with this world. I'm ready to go to the anime world
>>575441386this guy
>>575441391/bag/
>>575441447literally every korean men
I doubt theyd ever make Iroha and fucking Ibuki the big half anni fes units if they didnt have loads of funds still in back the handle these upcoming losses
If the new system is better then why is no one posting they rolls?
>>575441376Gaben pushed Kim to this point with his outrages transaction fees.
>>575441470No because the overall probability balances out in favor of the new system.
>>575441223blue archive is finishedthey're literally just gonna milk you one last time before they shut it down
>>575441436So, the risk of getting fucked over is higher because it depends on single big roll instead of multiple small. I'm glad we agree the old system is more reliable.
If this means more dickpulls, great, I'm already getting plat with ease every time with 15k eligma stored, time to do it while molesting new students
>>575441325>>575441503He voiced Black Suit in the anime
>>575441324Not now kitten
>>575441479the nightmare has only just begun
>>575441529>the overall probabilityYou don't roll enough for that to matter
>>575439593This is fucking goyspeak.It's the Genshin standard.People don't want MORE trash, people want WHAT THEY'RE ROLLING FOR.Great, I got two Miyakos, fantastic.Retard.
>>575441447All south koreans have been in military camps retard
>>575441503Sakamaki Manabu. He's the host of every stream. Thanks to that he got to voice Blacksuit in the anime.
>>575441447All men have to do mandatory service in Worst Korea, anon. Even K-pop idols.
>>575441560Not if you are responsible and save 400 rolls if you want both students.
Kim Jong Un please nuke Seoul tomorrow noon thank you.
>>575439592>talk mad shit about genshin every time a friend brings it upYou have a "male" friend who still plays Genshin? He is either a groomer of gay. Stay away from that "friend"
>>575441583Sensei...
At least the best one is free
>>575439730>>575441324Hey...
>>575441553>killing our game just so they can fund their older game Maplestory
>>575441529You will not be pulling enough to balance your 50% pulls.
>>575441323>they are advertising a fucking welfarePLEASE I WANNA WAKE UP I WANNA WAKE UP I WANNA WAKE UP
>>575441397>games with them are designedNot sure why you responded to a post that was clearly talking about shoehorning in other gacha games systems to BA then.>If you love Mutsuki and got her dress alt, you will not use her anywhere. Her pull value is almost 0.Her pull value at worst is still her momos and some team flexibility - Nexon have generally done an alright job at making niche students see some use.
>>575439470Anon, it's easier to lose a 50/50 than it is to need to double spark.For a bunch of mathematicians, people sure like to pretend that double sparking happens more often than losing a 50/50.
>>575441607>now have to save 400 instead of 200>here's why this is a good thing...
>finally a skippable bluefesWoo
>>575441384If you want me to be a bit more clear, genshin and similar games have countless problems that put them far below BA. Males, actual ntr and yuri, gay stuff, and they shy away from anything with the lolis. Their stories are horrible and they're lucky to manage to get 1 good character out of 100. BA will never have your lgbt shit, and even this change that's going to get reversed wouldn't make BA even a tenth as greedy.
>Nexon apologizes>Fires Kim as an apology and scapegoat>Opens a job opening for the position of General Director for Blue ArchiveWho do you want as the New Director of BA?
At the end of the day it's all a question of "feelings"People liked the old system because it "felt good" to get the rate-up on your very last 10 rolls before 200Just like it's pointless to argue with feeling-driven beings (women) in real life it's pointless to argue with these posters
>>575441632KOUSAGI GET YE GONE!!!
>>575441323Broke archive
>>575441573boo...>>575441646hey
>>575441580400 rolls is the break even point. Not thousands. Not TRILLIONS OF SIMULATIONS. Not 400 rolls in one month. 400 rolls over the lifetime of your account. If you roll 400 times and want 4 students, the new system has the same chance of success. It's not 75% vs 56%. It's 64% for both. And it gets better for the new system and worse for the old system the more you roll.
>>575440761>treated like garbage after being loyalsad isn't it
>>575441708Me!
I am so disillusioned with the world. You think there's one good thing in your life, then blammo.
>>575439410>but in the short run one bad 50/50 can set your whole year backYou dog the bottom 10% unlucky player gets fucked more by the current system than the new one
>>575441680Sora banners are still up so others have to wait
I don't care about the pity changes. I'm just here for more pics of Satsuki's massive titties. I don't even play the game
>>575441680But that's what they always do? You think people don't start a game over a girl they can get completely for free? They don't care about advertising to those who already play.
>>575441607Yeah and fucking up my budget for the next year if I actually have to use them. Great system.
someone is sabotaging BA
>>575441708Kim
>>575441725Are you the Hanako from earlier?
>>575441621This makes the doomcucks really mad
>>575441708>Fires Kim as an apologythis is the worst outcome
>>575440761This is the stuff people should be complaining about. The gacha change is a total nothingburger and distracting people from the real issue of more creeping FOMO monetization (not that'll ever spend a cent on it)
>>575441763advertising Satsuki's massive milk jugs should be a priority
lmao
>>575441767You mean like how having to double spark at a 4x higher rate under the old system would do?
>>575441708Kim but in a Char mask and calling himself FULL FRONTAL and wearing a cape.
>>575441527But Tim, your platform is the one with genshin! They should have a friendlier gacha right???
>>575441769Yes, Nexon.
>>575441829behead her
>>575441743Nobody asked you.
>>575441684I asked why weapon banners are bad, not why adding them to BA would be bad.
>>575441837Heh
>>575441837Kino... I kneel...
>>575441713>Just like it's pointless to argue with feeling-driven beings (women) in real life it's pointless to argue with these posterssad but true
>>575441583>People don't want MORE trash, people want WHAT THEY'RE ROLLING FOR.>Great, I got two Miyakos, fantastic.Ok let me rephrase my first postThe most likely outcome is you will get more rate-up students that you are actively rolling for than before for the same amount of pyrosI'm obviously not talking about the potential extra spook you get on a failed 50/50
>>575441741You are either baiting or genuinely mentally handicapped.
>>575441780maybe
>>575441829Made for ryona
>>575439680>bright side, at least when you lose a 50/50 it's not to the same pool of launch characters, you don't need 8 gorillion dupes and you have no weapon banner tax.We pretend we do not but we do have a weapon (or dupe) tax If we're talking about being competitive, we have to talk about UEIf we're only talking about collectionism (only get the character), then that applies to Genshart too
>>575441741>he thinks 400 rolls is enough for probability distribution You can't actually be this stupid, right?
>>5754418320.004% is 4x higher than 0.001% wow we should totally change our entire habits over this important thing and not care over the 200 number which has been the centerpoint of the past 5 years
>>575441943>We pretend we do not but we do have a weapon (or dupe) tax >If we're talking about being competitive, we have to talk about UEGenuine question have you ever played genshin
>>575440078gookakos are weirdos but have the highest iq out of all of /bag/ after all
>>575440078meanwhile seia posters...
>>575441894I see, what up? We need a little more positivity and happiness around here
changing your gacha system after 5 years is a retard move nonetheless
>>575441984You don't have to play a game to understand math.
>>575441741Disingenuous claim. The increased probability depends on the 50/50 roll. You won't be getting 400 of them anytime soon.>>575441832Nobody did that if they were budgeting. People either aimed to get both and were prepared to spend 48k or saved 24k and were willing to skip one of the students. It's a scenario you made up in your mind to pretend that the most common scenario is worse under new system.
>>575441947I am NOT talking about a probability distribution. I am talking about the chance of a single event. Do you understand what that 75% number you love so much means?
>>575441708>Fires Kim as an apology and scapegoatI think this would actually piss people off even more. I think most players recognize this as a clear corpo move and not a decision by the dev team themselves.God I want to fuck the fake pres so hard even though I know she's a freaky eldritch horror
>>575441943>If we're only talking about collectionism (only get the character), then that applies to Genshart tooThis doesn't help your case when their coinflip loss collection is the same 5 launch characters whereas most of the characters BA releases are standards and they've CUT the launch bunch into an archive banner already.And back to UE, BA is significantly better.You can quite easily max out a character after rolling a single copy. It might take time to get the ligma, but it's doable - I have plenty of them maxed out.Doing the same in a mihoyo game requires coinflip after coinflip - God forbid you want to max out their weapon too, which iirc only has hard pity after 3 drops or something stupid.Games like BA and AL where you get a joker currency for maxing characters out is night and day from needing to explicitly roll on a single banner.Even character collectors can max out multiple students just fine in them.
Nexon artificially manufacturing this gacha update to evoke my adrenochromeswell done
>>575439672It doesn't affect only the top, 1% whales The low spenders or f2p gamblres with no impulse control are also affected In reality this hurts everyone, but smart people get affected less and might even become a positive in the long run, but for those two in particular it hits them harder (whales have to whale more, low impulse control fags lose their stash over time because they have no reason to just save anymore)
>>575442103>I am NOT talking about a probability distribution.>>575441529>No because the overall probability balances out in favor of the new system.lol
>>575440078>Sucking off the prefect team for a job Pandemonium is also doingI see how it is...
My schizo theory is that Black Rock, the Korean Feminist Party and the Credit Card Companies wanted to kill Blue Archive for a long time, and only know managed to put a big enough parasite inside Nexon to sabotage BA from inside.>They milk Blue Archive with very aggressive monetization for 2 to 3 years until nothing is left and EOS>The playerbase drops the game and the franchise diesThey will win either way.I'm retarded?
>>575442103>I am NOT talking about a probability distribution. I am talking about the chance of a single event.That's literally the definition?
Attention /bag/CHILDThat is all
>>575441183>>Some gacha games do have a semblance of gameplay so characters in them are not just pngs.>Unfortunately this is /bag/ not /alg/.There's no distinction in the gameplay between different students. You wouldn't pull a character because you like their gameplay.
>>575442176Do you understand the difference between the concept of expected value and the concept of the probability of a single event? I am talking about two different things. Both of them which favor the new system.
>>575441154should i said "Ibukee Pee" on chat?
>>575442057Better late than never. The restructuring of the gacha was inevitable considering how inefficient the old one was at making money or at having people engage with it. This change doesn't make the odds worse in any way but achieves that perfectly.
>>575442225Wrong general retrad
>>575442130Chewy is just a regular student, she didn't choose for this to happen. There's nothing to forgib, and she will be saved
>>575442103>I am talking about the chance of a single event.You literally said the "overall probability" would "balance out" you chimp-brained retard.
>>575442208Yes, willfully applying a Mirai picture to your post is admission of being a retard.
>>575441837What will it be
One thing I know will happen is EoS soon. I should buy pizza to celebrate Blue Archive downfall
>>575441553this year Q2 outlook looks better than last year Q2or am i wrong?
>Retrad
>>575441503Fuini kenokuto sekai ga mawaru~
so thanks to the new system the cocksuckers are defending, the new best move for FES is spending absolutely no more than 99 of the free rolls on the pre-fes banners so you can attempt to store a pity for the fes banners? damn that's really gonna drive up the profits eh
>>575441553>contribution from arc raidersIsn't that game dying now? LMAO
I know sexsuki would have killed billions but not like this
>>575441984I have, you don't need any limited weapons or dupes to clear all endgame mode. Much less if you don't care about endgame modes.
Not a single soundpost is crazy
>>575442389thats exactly what we're sayingdon't like it leavebye!
>>575442395But for a while it made huge bank, that's all that matters!
Everything will bee okay.
>>575442389don't forget you're fucked if you are lucky
>>575442412There is no second cake retard. Are you this stupid offline?
>>575442389then LEAVE if you don't like it, we'll still be loving our girls
>>575442475>>575442475>>575442475
>>575442441How about NOT A SINGLE RITUAL POSTTHAT'S EVEN CRAZIER
>>575442516frfr ong
>>575442465But if you're fucked then you weren't lucky.
>>575442441no gogurt no headpatno hasumi generaljust think about it
good thing I didn't delete my Seia collection... my blue archive eos folder is ready
>>575442321>japan Q2 2025 was 2983 million Yen>outlook for japan Q2 2026 is between 2089 and 2539 million yenIt's saying outlook for japan is bad but every other region is going up instead.
>>575441436No, because if you win the 50/50 it baits you into rolling 100 more to try the next 50/50
>>575442213A probability distribution is over multiple events. An example of this is "what is the chance of succeeding within X rolls, where X is from 1 to 400". I am talking about the chance of getting at 400 rolls. A single event. A single point in the probability distribution.>>575442304The overall probability does balance out. That is true. You can clearly see from the countless proofs that it takes an average of 90 rolls for a new student which is a lower amount than before. You are focusing on the case of "but what if I fail". That's an entirely different question than the average case. And for that question the chance of failure balances out at 400 rolls.
>>575442141Why do you need to max a character?
>>575442389You could always just leave, you know
>>575442072So you've never played GenshinThis explains why you seem to be thinking comparing our UE/eleph system to Genshin's constellation and weapon banners system is fair or justified.>>575442406I agree but this is completely beyond the point.In Genshin you don't need to spend any money to clear all content. In BA you don't need to spend any money to plat everything (assuming you've been playing long enough).But anon literally said "If we're talking about being competitive". If you want to be maxx out characters in Genshin you have to spends thousands, in BA you can be entirely f2p and have several maxxed out students without having to make ridiculous sacrifices.
>>575442895If we're talking about "comp BA" (lol) aka the whales competing for the top rankings then you kinda do need to swipe a lot for the newest meta students for the given raid and UE60 dps/specials.
>>575439083They already sabotaged FES by making it Gehenna
>>575443070If you're talking about "having a completely maxxed out account" Genshin is still several orders of magnitude more expensive than BA.BA's eleph system's main appeal to me is it actually allows normal players to maxx out students whereas maxxing out a character (+ the character's BiS weapon lol) in Genshin is straight up impossible unless you spend thousands or save for two years.
>>575442630>A probability distribution is over multiple eventsNo, probability distribution is a plot of possible outcomes and it's probabilities. It's how you describe random variables. There is no single event in probability distribution. You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>575442743I don't?I'm responding to someone, read what I'm responding to if you don't understand why that's being mentioned.
>>575441750>we should give everyone a 50% chance to fail because the bottom 10% of the lucklets hit the 3% doublesparking a couple of times
I need someone to gently explain this to meI saw a few posts/graphs like https://kina-ko-m-ochi.net/simu/ showing that rolling for more dupes is less efficient after 3-4 dupes/pick upsBut like, why doesn't this transfer between banners/girls?e.g. I want to double spark 4 banners in a row, why doesn't this count as me rolling 8 times in a row?
>>575445123Yes.
Mika lovedamn I guess it will keep like this for days huh
coom in doomrope in hope
