Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic! /sthg/ #9513 - Mr. And Mrs. Hedgehog Edition ==NEWS== >TailsTube #16 - Between 2 Hedgehogs https://youtu.be/-UDOIdn2lHs >Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversary https://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary >'Sonic Live in Concert' Announced For US, UK, Starting September 2026 https://www.sonicstadium.org/articles/sonic/sonic-live-in-concert-announced-for-us-uk-starting-september-2026-r3441/ >Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond short animation in Fall 2026 https://youtu.be/ZOdpBJdeOhI >Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027 https://x.com/SonicMovie ==Comic Release Dates== Sonic the Hedgehog #88 - 05 August 2026 DC X Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #4 - 05 August 2026 Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #2 - 02 September 2026 DC X Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #5 - 02 September 2026 Sonic the Hedgehog #89 - 09 September 2026 Sonic the Hedgehog #90 - 30 September 2026 Sonic the Hedgehog #91 - 28 October 2026 ==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS== https://rentry.org/sthglinks >Milestone pastebin: https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4 >Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet >Perfect System Collection: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection >Sonic comic scans: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics >Sonic shows: https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows >SAGE https://sagexpo.org/ >SHC https://shc.zone/ >#10000 Project https://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru >/sthg/ booru: https://sthg.booru.org/ >/sthg/ CyTube: https://cytube/r/sthg >/sthg/ Pixel World: https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthg Previous Zone: >>576032701
We've been too gay lately
Sonic used to be straight gangsta. Now he's a faggot. What happened?
>>576147793they took away his wife in 2013 then deleted her in 2017
>>576147767Well it's a dry season, so now that we have less posters my faggotry shines right through.It also means fags are real Sonic fans and the rest are just posers
cnc
>>576147629Cute Sonknux>>576147914>sk_rokuroQueen of Sonknux
>>576148120She is too powerful
>>576147793It's 2026 chud we like Flamboyant Homosexual Sonic here
Learning anatomy to draw Sonic is pointless. You will never use this knowledge
>>576151620Womb is missing from this.
Fagposting killed sthg..
>>576151620this is only useful if you're a british/russian fujo who makes a living off drawing porn(y'know who i'm talking about)
>>576151724Wow I had a womb all along, I'm actually not fat
>>576151861Every general where I post gay porn dies. Tell me what general I should kill next
So funny how IDWfags were swearing nothing's wrong with this Sonic
>>576152392Shadow needs to use more swords.
The decision to release BoC's english translation in IDW app is so shitty that no one wants to leak it lmao
I love this sweet girl so much and i'm not even an amyfag.
>>576153031Because nobody uses the app.
>>576152659For artists to improve they need a lot of practice. The ABT of today wouldn't exist without the ABT of 6 years ago.
>>576153031>>576153098>Poorfags coping because nobody leaks the chapter for themKeep reading the fan translation like a dog
>>576153215>please give your money to the multibillion dollar company
>>576153031Pay for it
>>576153105Nigga, he was better in the Archie days
>>576153215everyone is already doing soI am just interested in new translation + high quality scans
Sorry i'm not into cuckolding, i either fuck or i don't fuck at all. But paying to fuck? My hand does it better.
>>576153096What do you likr about her?
>>576153483I donāt understand why he chose to gimp Evanās ugly style >>576152659
>>576154754her sexy slim body and her loyalty and love
>>576153483>he was better in the Archie daysThat's subjective
>>576152659They're all spineless jellyfish who don't have any real opinions and only choose to repeat whatever gives idw the most praise. They won't admit they were wrong, they have switched gears to pretending it was a tracing model issue and the artists are "freed" even though the narrative back then was that these retarded looking Sonics were artistic freedom and that it didn't need to be on model>>576153105>>576153483He was better in early idw too
>>576153337>BillionIDW can't even reach 10% of all that
>>576155669Why yes i'm talking about sega because they still get paid in licenses.Comic companies are a fart outside dc/marvel.
>>576132389>Another girl being marketed in Japanese merch besides AmyTangle is 100% showing up fully in the next mainline. This is not even a question anymore.
Tangle is such an annoying characterI wanna fucking kill herShe is not funny, she is not cool, she exists only to be lesbian bait
>>576156365I wouldnāt go that far but she does feel aimless. Her purpose was to be a ākick buttā female character to adventure with Sonic but after her purpose changed you can really tell nobody knows what else to do with her besides being Whisper therapy pet.
>>576155992I'm okay with Tangle appearing as long as Whisper isn't, she is a perfectly fine character without the crying bitch dragging her down
>>576156983What if they stopped making Whisper be a crying bitch?
>hello kitty and idw merchandise
>>576157312>mfw rotorfag died of AIDS
Post Frontiers Sonic can be safely called The IDW Era
More like the IDWhore era.Because sonic is whoring out even harder now.
I donāt have a problem with Tangle or Whisper showing up in a mainline game. I want to see what SOJ does with them and how theyāll justify having them around.
>>576157312God, just looking back on Nakaks words makes this fucking hilarious. Iāll bet theyāre aiming for the Japanese Disney market too.
Aside from the one already in (Tangle, Whisper, Surge, and Kit), which other IDW characters would you want to show up in the games?
>>576158634Jewel, Lanolin. Stop after that. Both already have precedence. Jewel technically appears in Crossworlds and Lanolin has an official Sonic Team model because of Rumble
>>576159497Silver's cute but clingy girlfriend, Portal-chan.
>>576155992They are gonna use it as an excuse to make Amy the boring level headed onr and I hate that.
>>576154803Itās so weird how his style shift coincided with her. When she stopped drawing shit so ugly, he did too.
>>576160273Or they can double on Tangle being the dyke so Amy can be the more traditionally cute and boy crazy one
>>576155992Wow a Tangle in Japan!Must be another slow day huhThey probably put that there just for tourists
>>576159862Will we ever see Silver at rest?
>>576160557We can't cope this one out anymore. The signs have been there, it's not just for tourists at this point. Tangle was the first idw character, so she gets priority over the rest in everything since her mention in Frontiers.
>ę³Øćć ćć³ććÆč¦ććŖćććć«å¦ēćé”ććć¾ćć>TL: Please take care to ensure that underwear is not visible.Amysisters...
This Future Sage pic being posted last thread got me thinking. What do you think it'll be like when Sage herself is finally allowed to be in a full antagonistic role, like in Frontiers 2 or another game? How do you see her being used?
>>576161027Considering how EvanIan's collab 3-parter went for her? I don't expect her to be used well. Though that's par for the course with these writers and Sega in general.
>>576161027>>576161210EvanIan can only use her in the context of the status quo established by Frontiers. There's no mainline games that have shown her villainess side yet, so they can't do it either.
>>576160496would prefer but I have my doubts.
>>576160696Whisper being in charge of VR training is so fitting. They must have done they're homework.
Another mega man crossover would be nice now that we have sage and belle but it would be weird if itās with udon mega man like>hey sonic long time no see, itās me mega man>ah one of the racers from a crossworld>nope wrong mega man
Douge
>>576161210I donāt get why this arc would end off in them being penpals. How does this make sense if Belle isnāt a neutral character?
>>576160726Yes! So there isn't a reason for spats. Just don't do it.
>>576161813>gun shot through armor
>>576159862>Silver dies>Sonic makes a grave>The next day the grave is gone, Silver isn't allowed to have a proper burial in Sonic's time
>>576162679Because Belle is cool and the best most quirkiest character and everyone loves her, chud
>>576132389>Tangle and Amy pairingvast improvement
Stop being mean to Whisper
Sonic Stadium is down
FROGGY
>>576164613
>>576165129Silvaze is a necessary evil
sonic girls in diapers
Dead general thanks to our shitty drawfags
>>576165614Thank the shitty comic faggots are ruining everything. You can't go anywhere without URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I LOVE SALLY URRRR SHE DOES THIS.. I LOVE MY BPDEMON CHIPMUNKS DURRRR GREEN DYKE THING IS MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER URR... THE GAMES SUCK despite being on a FUCKING VIDEO GAME GENERAL this is what happens when you CHASE AWAY GAME ENJOYERS
>>576165861CASE IN POINT OF COMIFAGGOTRY
>>576165614I think this general should be put on ice until we get the announcement for the next mainline game. But that's not really up to me.
>>576159497>>576159862Why a portal exactly?It would be way easier for them to just have Silver be suddenly teleported to the past by a mysterious forceLike how the Sol Emeralds are able to send Blaze to Sonic's world
>>576165909>>576166024Maybe you should fuck off
Are the Sonic Channel calendars collected anywhere in image form instead of the per-month-PDFs on SonicRetro?
>>576166298Thank comicfags for that.
>>576166190If scroll through the official sonic channel twitter account you'll be able to find the images when they were originally posted, if that's too cumbersome you could try googling the specific images you want
>anon come down and say hello to your family!
>>576166298I don't like Sega's awful brand management
>>576163061Anon medieval armor can barely take arrows it cannot resist bullets at all, it goes right through it
>>576166704i feel like that recentlyunfortunately i had to give my cousin my shadow plushie so he wouldnt be bored
>>576166787They legitimately have whatās necessary to be almost as big as mario but they are too fucking retarded
>>576166704Well the good news is that since iāve helped my family pay for food and overdue bills lately i can now do whatever i want with no one judging me, the bad news is now i donāt have money left to get this and complete my classic sonic collection just hoping they put it on amazon so i donāt have to deal with resellers when i get money again
>>576166024
>>576166028It is because 06 had portals
>franchise about running>fanbase full of fatfucks
>>576166789That's not "regular medieval armor". Its fantasy armor empowered by fucking magic. That same armor blocked shit from the Dark Queen
>>576164281>Characters in an action series being cool based on how much they contribute to the actionThe fact that we have people who canāt grasp this working on the series is why the comic is so shit. No one would argue Vanilla is remotely cool and in fact most people only give a shit about her in two context: her porn and her being written like Nicole Watterson.
Just saw an indian boy riding his Shadow bycicle. You're just not the target audience anymore
>>576167616Dragon trip is pretty cool, it stinks that the figure is a deluxe box exclusive, same goes for her regular unarmored figure.
>>576166952They don't. You need to let go of the 90s.
>>576166952The current leadership only has a decade or so left in them before old age starts killing them. Maybe then, with Iizuka and Kishimoto and co dead, Sonic will finally achieve his potential.
>>576167964This picture would be more fitting if it was posted in /utg/
>>576164281Belle is in fact cool>>576168298Not every character has to be a shit eating with a YamiYugi face on perpetually.
>>576168493Become a hero and do it yourself.
>>576168608*shit eating tryhard
Do you prefer your Sonic with shorter or longer quills?
>>576168608No one gives a shit about Belle outside of people who care more about drama than action. She only got remotely cool when they have her Motobud because it allowed her to be more than someone who just stands around and cries on command.
>>576169041>No one gives a shit about Belle outside of people who care more about drama than actionYou can like both, stupid. I like better because I like stories and characters. Belle has a compelling story and a fun character.She also has interesting abilities. I'm a also a fan of how she uses what she can to do a lot anyway, it's fun and more interesting than "Energy blast but le stronger than other guys energy blast because the writer said so".Isn't that right, Slashy
>The only thing keeping this place alive is one anon ragebaiting IDWs>and the occasional anons that fall for itSadThis really is the worst general on /vg/
>>576169028Shorter-quill makes it easier to reach the succulent undermeats, but they say longer-quill is a delicacy in its own right.
Should i post foxes?
>>576170040Who doesn't like foxes? They're smart, cute, and androgynous!
>>576169028Long quills are soulful
>>576169808a lot of the generals on VG are dying anon. The Mario general is basically held together by low effort rage baited as well but it's even slower and the Kirby general straight up died and went to the archive multiple times before hitting 200 posts the past couple of weeks.
You can tell the whiteboard fags are their own circlejerk because they are around 5 and none of them ever post here
>>576170275the entire website is dying
sigh...we'll never make it to 10000...pack it up...
>>576170185Androgynous is your father. I am SAM FISHER!>THAT'S THE NAME OF THE GAME
What if there really isn't another mainline game coming.
>The movies are the main marketing device>The director is a jewNeither SoA or SoJ are in control you cunts
>>576169442>Belle has a compelling story and a fun characterThe most compelling part of her character got undone in the Sage introductory arc. Her acknowledging Eggman isnāt her father and moving on felt like actual growth, but then they just undo that by having her be all salty that Sage has a relationship with the person who she acknowledged isnāt her father. Sheās worse than Whisper because at least Whisper knows how to fight.>She also has interesting abilitiesHer karate kick action isnāt remotely interesting, and her Eggman robot function only makes her marginally more useful than a normal civilian character. Motobud is the most interesting āabilityā she has.
>>576171063THEY KNEW IT! THEY ORCHESTRATED IT!
>>576171063The only chance for Sonic to heal, is if movie 4 flops.
>>576171314>The most compelling part of her character got undone in the Sage introductory arcNo it didn't.>Her acknowledging Eggman isnāt her father and moving on felt like actual growth, but then they just undo that by having her be all salty that Sage has a relationship with the person who she acknowledged isnāt her father. Sheās worse than Whisper because at least Whisper knows how to fight.You have a very shallow understanding of character psychology and what growth means or looks like.Sage highly opening up a new wound related to an old one to crrate the opportunity to create a sisterly bond eith Sage is cute and valid.>>576171314>Her karate kick action isnāt remotely interesting, and her Eggman robot function only makes her marginally more useful than a normal civilian character. Motobud is the most interesting āabilityā she has.I actually think the first 2 are more interesting because they need to more compelling story situations and lead to more creative application of her abilities. Belle is like the only character whose abilities are ever used in an interesting way. Everyone else just uses it for generic flightslop with no thought or choreography.Belle actually has to apply her stuff in neat ways to compensate for not being a straightforwardly combat oriented character.You only shill motobud because he lets her go fast and gives her a bit more aura.You're a slop eater lol.Motobud works for be because of his story and what he represents.
>>576171402It would literally not heal we've become that desperate that you need to let it succeed
>>576171451I've never actually opened this image before but he must really love chocolate
My confusion with the Sage arc is that Sage is evil and Belle isn't. How are they going to have their little mind phone calls if Sage is going to try blowing up countries while Jewel tries to entertain children?
Tangle, Whisper, Surge, Kit are the core 4 of IDW.Jewel/Lanolin are the Blaze and Silver who get rotated out as semi-important add-ons.Belle, Clutch, Rough and Tumble are the tertiary extras. Everyone else doesn't exist.
>>576172932>when you dip him in molasses and suspend him from the ceiling>or something, idk
holy shit, fwa came backhttps://litter.catbox.moe/skpp8y.png
Wft I like ninja turtles in Sonic now
From design alone, Belle will never thrive. Her personality isn't even that bad, just generic, but being an eyesore means she'll never become popular or even compete with the better looking characters. Can't even surpass the popularity of ABT's coomer slop oc even after shit writing decisions botched her character
Sonic Sez: Adolf, I swear to redeem you someday
>>576173290>holy shit, [drawFAG] came back with [FAGslop]Naaah
>>576173348Her design is easy to fix, just give her back her original concept art
>>576172174>Sage highly opening up a new wound related to an old one to crrate the opportunity to create a sisterly bond eith Sage is cute and valid.This shit would mean something if that old wasnāt basically JUST closed. I know this comic comes out slow as fuck but issue 50 was only 34 issues prior and Belle barely existed in the majority of those 34 issues. The shits barely had time to scab over after existing for as long as she has. More over you could character psychology shouldnāt be used as an excuse to regress, she can have some feelings about it, but instead she acted all pouty and bitter, its like she never even moved on.>I actually think the first 2 are more interesting because they need to more compelling story situations and lead to more creative application of her abilities.>Belle is like the only character whose abilities are ever used in an interesting wayThat first part is exactly why she barely appears in the book because sheās useless the majority of the time, and even then those abilities are hardly user in any interesting or compelling ways. Both are used in extremely straight forward ways, with maybe the only exception being her using her kick to dodge. The her Eggtech shit just used generic hacking while she spouts technobabble.
>>576173290Thatās a nice trace
>>576172767Easy, Sage wonāt be evil. IDW refuses to have female villain, so Sage will just written as more neutral at worst.
>>576174048Any evil on sage's part will get deferred to eggman. 5 new female ocs will be introduced, and a new (male) villain will appear (Enerjak possesses Cheese)
Sage literally wants to help destroy the world and create the Eggman Empire so wtf is Belle thinking?
>>576172767>how is Xavier and Magneto not murdering each other every time they see themselves
>>576173290>Boxing>Not fucking Boring
Tails!>>576138935Here!
>>576175962what
>>576175960Remember when Xavier made Magneto remember the Holocaust in a kids show to force him to stop?I'm going to need that energy from Belle
>>576176095Mb It was both.
>>576173787>This shit would mean something if that old wasnāt basically JUST closed.Seems like youre just making excuses to try and rationalize the fact you just dont like the character because she looks corny rather than badass.It literally isnt even true. Both in real world time and in universe it had been a long while.>>576173787>That first part is exactly why she barely appears in the bookIt has very little to do with it. I promise you. Belle actually appears pretty frequently for a tertiary character.Most of the cast show up for the novelty of seeing them on page. They arent used for the unique applications of their abilities. Blaze doesnt do anything with the fact she can use fire. Its just a thing she does as a visual flair for generically bopping enemies. Same with Knuckles and his strength. Metal is just used to jangle keys. Etc.Meanwhile Belle is doing need things like using her auto-kick to kick the ground to jump a canyon, using her hand-tools to break open a cage with chao in it and using her existence as a Tinker creation to Interface woth Eggman tech, like when she hooked up to Metal Sonic.The comic doesnt use people's abilities for anything than meme feats and fightslop.The most interesting thing I've seen is Silver's PK being used to catch people from falling or tether to Sonic to drag him around but thats it.Only really done once each. Amy doesnt do her propeller hammer or spin hammer attack, no use of the team formations from Heroes for example for combo attacks, nothing.
>>576175497>destroy the worldNah, Eggman is against seriously destroying it. Its why he opposes the black arms.
>>576175960Charles and Magneto were friends before their differences got in the way. Sage and Belle barely know each other.
>>576151724Womb bump, my beloved
Look, I just REALLY RECENTLY discovered Pussy, I don't have as much time to be dicking around with Sonic.
>>576175960Magneto and Professor X want the same thing, the difference is one is evilSage and Belle want completely opposite things, one is totally good and the other is flipfloppy evil
IDW can't do character development, it should just be an action heavy book then
>>576175986hell naw you just made him jagoff
>>576177657Sage isn't evil. She just wants to make daddy's wish come true.
>>576169028Gimme them long boys.
>>576177809Define character development
>>576178375When they become a queer ally
>>576178375There being an actual point to all the self reflecting and trauma in IDW
>>576178953Wdym
>>576176571Real world and in world time mean fuck all when Belle barely appears in the book. As far as sheās concerned she may as well just be standing in place while we are seeing her. If we barely see what a post issue 50 Belle even looks like then who give a fuck how much time has passed in or out of the comic? Her narrative never moved forward while we werenāt watching her.>Meanwhile Belle is doing need things like using her auto-kick to kick the ground to jump a canyon, using her hand-tools to break open a cage with chao in it and using her existence as a Tinker creation to Interface woth Eggman tech, like when she hooked up to Metal Sonic.The only thing interesting here is her using her kick as an alternative for a jump, which illustrates how boring she is.
Cute boy ^-^
Cute boyS <3333
My boyfriend said I had nice melons.Clearly I must have ALL the melons!
>>576179693If Zooey does share Tails' genes + her estrogen she has a killer body lol
>>576179072>Real world and in world time mean fuck all when Belle barely appears in the bookDo you believe the character just...freezes in time when she isn't on page? Are you stupid?>As far as sheās concerned she may as well just be standing in place while we are seeing her.Oh wow, motherfucker actually went there. Lmao. Bro deadass said "yes, i WILL be stupid on purpose just to hate puppetygirl for having a clown nose".>The only thing interesting here is her using her kick as an alternative for a jump, which illustrates how boring she is.As opposed to ...bopping a badnik..but with generic fire effects around you when you do it?Belle can do cool shit like pull a laser pointer out of her finger or a spy scope etc.
>>576179858Sonic Superstars 2? Sonic Mania 2? Sonc Rush 3? Sonic Advance 4? Sonic The Hedgehog 5?
>>576179858Interesting
>>576179858>2.5dhasn't even been announced and it's already trashbravo
>>576180148Tails is cool when he uses his tools
>>576180042Tails Adventures 2
>>576153096Me, too, but I'm an Amyfag.
>>576180208Retrofag...
>>576180242Tails is cool always
>>576180369Quality sprites are timeless 2.5D will age like milk
>>576180596Superstars is a good looking game. Go play romhacks instead.
>>576180341Great idea
>>576180530Randomfox...
He is just so cool!
>>576173553she does look a hundred times better like this
>>576180960Cuuuuute
>>576153483Cute Rotor... ABT I believe made most justice and impression off Rotor's googles emphasized brawn self with these toony large punches and arms. I really wanna talk with ABT and ask for a comm but idk if I'm at ready to take prices off high level freelancing comic artists with experience from Sonic before.>>576153676Kino page. For the trivia, ABT fathered Tundra's design. He had him based off a char from Tekken, I think? It's on his DA.
>>576180002> Oh wow, motherfucker actually went there. Lmao. Bro deadass said "yes, i WILL be stupid on purpose just to hate puppetygirl for having a clown nose".Shit we donāt see or hear about means fuck all. Belle could have gone on a whole world saving adventure and it wouldnāt mean shit if we didnāt see it. This has to be bait.>Belle can do cool shit like pull a laser pointer out of her finger or a spy scope etc.Alright, yeah, Iām being baited.
Slashy, please, fuck off, that's enough.
Best character ever!
>>576181590Hell yeah!
>>576181294>Shit we donāt see or hear about means fuck all.Slashy...>b-bait!No you're just stupid and moving the goalpost. The convo was originally abput not enough time, then you shifted to "not enough onscreen time" and now you lost sight of what the point of the argument is.
Stop calling Forces Tails ooc
Blaze content was very good lately once her and Silver are separated huh?Oh wait, she still gets nothing
>>576176148>>576176326Cute <3
I know you should always post what you like and everything but not to the extreme which you're plainly spamming.
>>576181846Did you know that most silverfags are closeted dudes who wants to fuck silver. It's true, this is internet I'm not lying
>>576171063Only the original creator of Sonic can save him
>>576179356>>576179560YES YES YES!!!!!>>576179858Senoue's music is great and this meme is retarded
>>576181941>People should post what they like within the made up and arbitrary parameters I'm making up just nowOk bro>>576182045Hello!
>>576182167Hi <3
>>576182006https://youtu.be/YWdD206eSv0
Just find out about perching position
>>576181846>Blaze out of nowhereYou sound like a salty silvazefag. I am more than happy for Blaze to go dormant for 10 more years if it means Silver is no longer associated with her by default and vice versa.
>>576182394Kino character
>>People should post what they like within the made up and arbitrary parameters I'm making up just now
We are fucked anonsthe crying lesbians are getting merch in Japan.
>>576182484I'm at your side as well, but i will get even more happy if Blaze gets vaulted like Sally so nobody get to associate with her.
>>576182591Yeaaaaahhhh!
>>576182457what
>>576182689No one is breaking that rule. The posts are on topic and varied >>576182771<3
>ILike Blaze, but I'd prefer if she were dead and never showed up in any official media again. Yeah, I'm a huge Blaze fan
Trying to control what other people post goes against the core theme of Sonic
>>576182894Boys are the best
>>576182903The best blazefags
Cleaning windows with Tails...>>576182986I agree
I demand you to post Amy butt
>>576182929Idw if it had no mandates
>>576182967Krack and her SWLU simp legion struggle to get this.
>>576182045>Senoue's music is greatJust keep him away from the Genesis synthesizer.
>>576182903Not what I said retard. I'm not blind, I know they're gearing up to push Silver more. I don't want Blaze to be apart of any of it. Blaze can wait her turn just like other characters and when it is her turn, I hope there's nothing that demands her to come back to Silver. By then he should be expanded upon that there's no need for the first thing people think about is his "relationship" with Blaze.
>>576183283That sounds like the kind of stuff lefty-Sonic twitter does.
>>576181217I believe GiGi is far cheaper
>>576183065:)>>576183321Senoue doesn't use a "Genesis synthesizer", that is some stupid misinformation that people keep memeing. He does use synthesizers, and he always has
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Silvaze
If seeing Blaze around is dependent on her being this fake version always orbiting Silver, being his sidekick and nothing else, then no I don't want to see her. I don't want to see Blaze if it's only because Silver's being pushed. I hope they double down on Amy and Silver connections
I don't think it would be ooc for Sonic to be gay. Sonadow is a different question though.
>>576183345>when it's her turnShe not allowed in the movies, she's without potential, she's boring and can be replaced by any other better character, what is she? Sonics rival? that's Shadow, Sonic mirror? that Knuckle? girl Sonic? that's Amy, she'll ever get her turn anon, not because Silver can means she has to leech to him as well
Everyone should thank Tails for giving out lore to other characters via his YouTube channelEveryone say "Thank you, Tails!"
>>576183397Both do, no exceptions. Sonic wouldn't like either twitter tards, left niggers or right niggers opposing the other and everyone around them just because one makes art or has a belief on something the other doesn't like.
>>576183771Two tails are a weird superpower but it's interesting. I still view Sonic character powers as superpowers, same as Geralt or Spider-Man or Reimu Hakurei.
>>576182702>a single tangle plushOh the humanity
>>576183771I love TailsTube
>>576183771Thank you Tails
>>576183875His tails are a great power, tying directly to his backstory, theming and character design. It's a physical ability, and I prefer those over the more "superheroey" abilities that other characters got later on
>>576183869>I love being a centrist queeryou're a faggot too
>>576184009Me too. It's one of SoA's good ideas>>576184015:D
I still remember Kphoria's Sonic core videos.
>>576183526It's a method created by ST Blazefags for Blaze to get some spotlight at Silvers expense,
>>576183692>yap yap yap yap yapShe'll get her turn eventually, I leave it up to Sonic Team and whoever at SOA is obviously echoing the discourse in their ears.
Amy's pie recipe btw
>>576183686Sonic is a product of the 90s and the 2000s, he's 15 years old, and back in those days, kids his age found being gay laughable and stupid. Sonic being gay is out of character and so is Sonadow, which is merely yaoi porn for terminally online fujos to get off on
>>576184538Too bad Amy treats Silver like dogshit.
>>576179858I doubt it
>>576184259YepppAlongside Mania Adventures and MurderCasefiles was also a nice concept but the story isn't very interesting, the most interesting thing was the character reveal/the teaser at the end I guess
>>576184668Silver doesn't seem to mind
>>576184349Watch them make an entire comic universe about the sol dimension but it's made by feminist writers
>>576184706I skipped over casefiles :P
>>576184667Sonic isn't a normal kids his age. He doesn't give a shit about society and its rules and will just do what he wants. Your argument is stupid.
>>576184775I care though.
>>576184538Silver and Amy literally have a better dynamic than Blaze has with anyone and it's so fucking funny
>>576179858It interesting how fan perception on Jun Senoue being just the Modern Sonic guitar guy has been negatively reinforced despite his work on some Genesis Classic titles.On the other hand how does thishttps://youtu.be/zL_elHbe5H0Become this:https://youtu.be/8eW6YnKz8jgWhy can't these Modern Sonic devs get Classic Sonic right? lol
>>576184775>evil foids don't care about sensible young hedgehogwho could have guessed
>>576184442
>>576184908How much do you care anon?
>>576183869NTA but why are you guys so allergic to admitting leftoids are just plain worse? Like, yeah the rightoids have disagreeable politics but they mostly just stick to themselves. I legit didnt even know they existed until leftoids made looking for them to have socially acceptable targets for antisocial behavior their entire personality.
Does Sonikku sound cooler because it ends in a K instead of a C? It reads more rough edged.
>>576184349She's already getting her turn anon, well turns, since she's shipbait more than Rouge now.
>>576184818Well you can always catch up on it at any time. But f you already know the twist then it already lot most of its appeal, you didn't miss much. Because besides that it just feels like an IDW story in audio format. Hopefully the thing it was teasing at the end will be more interesting
>>576184965Silver and Amy have a better basis of being connected than she'll ever have with Silver even at a base level of just being friendship.Amy and Silver get the future, fortune, time travel gimmicks and also had established connection in 06 as well. They bounce off of each other better than Blaze and Silver ever have and it's effortless
>>576184349I love your optimism, can't wait to see it shattered.
>>576185018>Then when Amy told me I could grow my own, I got really excited, and, well..In retrospect, Amy told him to fuck off and didnāt even teach him well about basic agriculture at that point. Amy is such a dick to Silver. Cum Cat had to help him grow his stupid crops.
>>576184987They can and they did. Senoue's "Classic" music is good. Most of the criticism he receives is rooted in meaningless memes, not reality.
>>576185094"Ku" is rougher edged than "ik"?
>>576184064Then pray tell me what do you think Sonic would do exactly.>>576185064Not related to my point.
>>576185178Eh idk. This might sound controversial but I don't really care about those attempts at making the Chaotix more relevant characters starting with Forces. To me they're just meme characters doing meme things. That doesn't mean that I don't want them to participate in more complex stories, just that they're side characters. So a story focused on them doesn't appeal to me
>>576185064I'd consider rightism but it's just intellectually hollow. Lefties often have an arrogance and intolerance for different perspectives these days sure, but if you talk about left policies without a hint of woke identity politics and talk like a normal person, centrists and some conservatives like it. I hate woke people tone and not participating in the free market of ideas though.
>>576185372
>>576184538That's my baker.
Most 15 year olds want to get laid and regardless of your headcanon Sonic doesn't want to get laid
The silvaze idw story is going to make this general unusable for 3 or 4 months
>>576184987>It interesting how fan perception on Jun Senoue being just the Modern Sonic guitar guy has been negatively reinforced despite his work on some Genesis Classic titles.Sonic 4 and Origins are the main cause of that. I shouldn't have to explain why. Whatever ability he had to do that kind of music in the old days, he's lost the magic.
>>576185791Nah, this General is too dead to care about Blaze and Silver. Twitter will be a shitshow though.
>>576185823His tracks on superstars were shit for the same reasons as Sonic 4 and Origins. Keep him away from 2.5d projects
Sonic:the athletic smart handsome guy good at everything loved by everyone Silver:the weird guy who is always sick and barely goes to class
>>576185956His Superstars tracks were... better. But despite the number of people who worked on that OST, almost every single track is completely forgettable, no matter who it was by.
>>576185490Casefiles was still comedic at times, particularly with its use of an unreliable narrator, but I see what you meanI want more pics of Tails and Charmy together
>>576185631That's Ma Baker
>>576186327Charmy is cute
https://poal.me/juniw1
>>576186129I'd pick Silver as a best friend desu
>>576186197>almost every single track is completely forgettableNahhttps://youtu.be/iNxOuxvsKwo
Did a bunch of Sonic's Worldians for Art Fight.
Also don't mind my typos, I just woke up
>>576185823>Sonic 4 and Origins are the main cause of that.I will say that in Sonic 4's case, that's mostly Episode I. Episode II was a lot better and gave us that banger Metal Sonic theme that I wish they'd use more. I think they only ever used in Racing Transformed after this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfxgZQ2ftig
>>576185823Eh..I just think Senoue always had a different idea on what Classic Sonic sounds like. Most fans don't really know him for his classic songs anyways.https://youtu.be/zFEyvRzyXk0
hot shelter is pretty freaky
>>576186782https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g44YYtJpVI
>>576185791Speaking of that arc, they have no reason for it to be focused on Blaze (Silver discovering the mystery, Silver saving Blaze, Silver meeting another friend,...) it's very much Silver centric while Blaze barely helps in anything as usual, and she has overstayed her vacation, she should leave the comic already after this.
I just heard someone say wind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4yUDCHXpYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTqnc0k_aK0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0LosYvpZkYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ude4U8_gn0QSenoue's Classic music is great!>>576186609Good track (not by Senoue btw)>>576186829Unfortunately most Sonic fans just want him to do the epic final boss Crush 40 songs and ignore all of his other work. I like those as well, but I prefer the more happier onesAlso, as far as I can tell the thing that sets his modern Classic songs apart from the rest of his work is that he heavily uses drums similar to the ones Sonic 1/2, a lot more than Sonic 1/2 ever did. Sonic fans seem to hate that, but I like them a lot, it gives them a consistent identity
>>576168298>and her being written like Nicole Watterson.Well, Nicole Watterson is basically- no, literally a Shonen Battle anime character. She's unironically "Cool" while also being "the mom" character with that specific lens of being a working mom whose also a pretty stern person in the house that everyone listens to, so it makes sense that some people would project that image onto Vanilla. But Vanilla is probably meant to be more like Toriel, or something. At least on the surface.
>>576187082I'm just tired of Stardust Speedway being Metal's theme instead of a stage theme. I think they had something with this one and they just never used it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggdw8URdcTs
>>576186378She was the meanest catIn old Chicago townShe was the meanest catShe really mowed them downShe had no heart at allNo no no heart at allShe was the meanest catFor she was really toughShe left her husband flatHe wasn't tough enoughShe took her boys along'Cause they were mean and strongMa ma ma maMa BakerShe taught her four sonsMa ma ma maMa BakerTo handle their gunsMa ma ma maMa BakerShe never could cryMa ma ma maMa BakerBut she knew how to die
>>576187261
>>576187223>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggdw8URdcTsI didn't know this remix! Thanks for sharing!!!I think I prefer the Sonic 4 original, it sounds stronger and more exciting>tired of Stardust SpeedwaySame
>>576186904his tongue looks like a fruit roll up
>>576183875Tails' main ability is "Fly", and his tails are his means of doing so.
>>576185478>Then pray tell me what do you think Sonic would do exactly.>GamenicHeād tell both sides to chill and keep it cool, then magically rewire our brains so we all become friends. After that heād just continue on to his next adventure.>BoCnicHeād throw both sides into severe stress with monsters and black magic until we fight our inner demons, realize how wrong we were after that traumatic experience, and we would end up becoming friends.>IDWnicHeād sassily say that weāre complicated, drop a smug quip, and lecture both of us about how weāre in the wrong. That lecture would either magically rewire our brains so we become friends or end up making us hate him.>ArchieNICHeād side with the right-wingers since heās pro-monarchy and straight, then kill the leftists with multiple spin dashes.>ClassicNICHeād just stare at us with pure boredom and fuck off.
>>576186904this looks like a feetymcfooty render
>>576186639cool, I like the couple of bird blobians here
>>576184667Sonic doesnt and wouldn't care about queers. He also wouldn't care about people who dont like queers.
BOCnic is too loud and preachy
>>576187423>I think I prefer the Sonic 4 original, it sounds stronger and more excitingI think it's nice that we have both a Classic and Modern style, so I'd like to see it used more. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll use it in the movie.
>>576187520It's raping time
>>576184002In Japan in one of their larger toy stores yes.
>>576187667Sonic is a conservative character. If he was a leftist character, he would hate homophobes and sexists automatically, because that is what a good leftist does A good conservative let's anyone feel however they want even if it is bigoted. Sonic is conservative
>>576184965>sonazefag agenda pushing silver and amy together to get them out the way.You've been at this for weeks now lol.Amy gets along with everyone. Especially nuFriends like shitver
>>576187779The movies have heavily limited their use of game music so I'll be surprised if they do. Green Hill and Live and Learn are the most popular Sonic songs, so they appear to be exceptions
>>576187953The trailer for the 4th movie already has Sonic Boom, but yeah, they really don't use much. It could be a good fight scene track, though.
>>576188026>The trailer for the 4th movie>The trailerYeah and the trailer for the 2nd movie had Emerald Hill. Then it came out and the only game music it had were 5 different remixes of Green Hill
>>576187874Not what i meant, Silver seriously gets good dynamics with everyone he meets, not including Blaze, because Blaze doesn't have any good dynamics (or anything that is not stolen) with anyone she meets, you ever thought why everyone thinks she's friends with anyone while she only ever interacts with Sonic, Cream and Silver?
>>576183686>>576184667>>576187667>>576187870fags, sonic is a corporate mascot so he changes flag once a day.
>>576184349The reality is, since the start with 06 attaching her to Silver was to shill Blaze, not the reverse.
Since where talking about Classic Sonic music, who's your favorite Classic/NuClassic Sonic composer?Hard more: no Micheal Jacksonhttps://youtu.be/ezLGTcdZU8Q
>>576188149To be 100% fair, though, the third movie's trailer did use Live and Learn and it appeared in the movie.
>>576188397>Hard more: no Micheal JacksonCan I still say Brad Buxer? Frankly, MJ had fuck-all to do with the soundtrack in the first place.
>>576183413Oh I'm not looking for IDW ones really. They seem to be on focus for generally cutesy stuff, and I got a more distinct criteria myself. I'm looking most for focused toony 90s furry artists, few Archie artists as we know included. I'd also love Diana Skelly but looking in her page, she seems to be gone?But thank you! You got anymore recs? Hot manly Rotor btw, I wish hunter drew him more...
>>576188397Senoue and Masato Nakamura are my favorite Sonic composers in general so them>Hard more: no Micheal JacksonHe never composed anything for Sonic anyway
suddenly stinks of AIDS in here
>>576188639>He never composed anything for Sonic anywayAccording to Brad, they did "one cue" together and then Brad did everything else. And then MJ stole Stranger in Moscow from Brad when Brad went to demo the Sega stuff for him but MJ just wanted to jam, so they wrote the final song together and MJ didn't credit him.
>>576188697Yeah, Tailspedos don't take showers sadly, but what do you expect of them anyway?
>>576185791I cant wait for the comic to be fine and for all thr Blazefags shitting themselves to look retarded to everyone.
>>576188807Yeah, exactly. MJ's contribution mostly amounted to being in the same room together as some of the people working on Sonic 3 and ignoring it because he didn't give a shit. To be though, that interview surprised me in a way, MJ had more involvement than I thought
>>576184538>Silver bakes pies just like Amy>Silver wears knee-high boots and cuffs just like Amy>Silver has a strong sense of justice and a fondness for beautiful views and scenery just like SonicSilver must be Sonic and Amy's descendant
>>576188573>>576188639MJ was more so to prevent joke answers and hopefully encourage more appreciation for the obscure Sonic composers of the past like vid attached, which was composed by Seirou Okamoto
Far-right extremists? In my trans affirming lesbian franchise??!?
I want to take attention to this >>576186482, because we have only 6 people posting right now. We're REALLY a ghost town.
>>576187870I don't know anything about politics, but the term "conservative" sounds like staying rooted in traditions or enforcing "how things SHOULD be" which sounds extremely anti-Sonic.
>>576186482>>576189343What is the question even asking?
Sonic needs a Jean Grey
>>576189537Which of the 6 characters do you think spawned the worst type of fans.
>>576189265Good thinking!I like this remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34UYzSJ-VDo>>576189537Drama shitpost ignore it
>>576187520How do his farts smell like?
>>576187870>Sonic is a conservative character.Sonic has always been philosophical rather than musican teams poets polshit. Americans literally have no ability to see the world outside of left/right divide anymore.Sonic is windshitting on all of it. He'll help a tranny bring hatecrimed and later than day stop an antifa card from trying to kill a CEO because he doesnt want their kid to not have a parent.It doesnt matter who is wrong or who is right
>>576188259>06 attaching her to Silver was to shill BlazeYes the story that pseudo-killed her off and had her do nothing was to shill her.Retard she's only attached to Silver to be arm candy like how Sonic and Shadow have. She's there to be happy ending prize lost to tragedy while Silver develops because of it. She's the sidekick to HIS campaign and after that she's irrelevant.>>576187105Blaze's purpose has always been being a tool for Silver to work around. She's a plot device
>>576189343make that 7, I never vote in these polls
>>576189741>Drama shitpost ignore itfailsfag...
>>576188160Thats true. Blaze doesn't have organic interacrions with anyone. The characters have to be bent over backwards to shill her.
>>576189343*5, one Blazefag used burner account to vote for Silver and didn't change their location
>>576189009>comic>fineThat's asking a bit too much out of idw especially a Silver story with Evan penning it
>>576189474political terminology is not rooted in facts or logic
>>576190015Why yes of course I have peak taste
>>576190109Auraver isn't canon.
>>576188397>no Micheal JacksonBrad Buxorget rektNo but seriously I love me some Masato Nakamura and Jun Senouehttps://youtu.be/t4-DQ4hGRJo
which drawfag draws the biggest tits
>>576189741>Drama shitpost ignore itThere wouldn't be that if you didn't spam in the first place, but go off with your pedophilia I guess.
>>576190208Shut it Shitazefag, you're entire liking of her is getting shutdown by her creator, she's lame and she never liked Sonic.
>>576189186>fondness for beautiful views
>>576190208And neither is uwuver. This story is going to make people flip regardless where it goes because it has to live up to expectations of being the first time Evan has written Silver in over a year after acknowledging critique as well as battling blazefags who hate seeing her with Silver and silvazefags have a bone to pick with both discussions
>>576190351my guess is whoever draws rouge and/or Lanolin the most
>>576188834Obsessed.The Rotorfaggot has AIDs. The Tails posters don't.
>>576189931i don't really get the ''arm candy'' accusatios, she's a side character but in terms of how people actually see their dynamic it's either borderline femdom or regular fluff, no one uses her as a prop to make silver ''look cooler'' or whatever, the aurafags simply don't care about it in one way or another.the game is 20 years old and was clearly a rushjob going to have more content in it. seething about it for 20 years doesn't really help blaze or adress the actual problems behind her conception or usage right now.
>>576190530>The Rotorfaggot has AIDs.yes>The Tails posters don't.lmao
>>576190223Same, Diamond Dust is one of my favorites in the series too! Although it's by Tatsuyuki Maeda, not Senoue. Senoue did about half of the 3D Blast soundtrack
>>576189647>>576186482Hmmm.... no Shadow? Interesting omission.
>>576189186
>>576190435Silver inherited this
>>576190535Every hedgehog gets a girl. Naturally, Silver needed one too.It's that simple.
>>576189931>Yes the story that pseudo-killed her off and had her do nothing was to shill her.Bro never heard of heroic sacrifices. It didnt "kill her off". She took matters onto her own hands. Blazefags are mysoginists who don't see her as having any agency of her own if it doesnt align with their ship.Blaze steps up, absorbs the fire demon destroying the entire future Shitver is not worthy of unlike her because she is royalty and of thr flames. Aurafarms while calling him naive and says thats cute before warping to another diemnsion telling him good luckBut blazefags eill act likr she got a raw deal and got killed off because they dont actually care about the character.
>>576190109IDWfags dont have standards, so it doesnt matter. This will be the true test of their allegiance and shilling tolerance.
>>576189186nah they wouldnt give a descendant to sonic, the subtext is moreso that he's supposed to be ''amy'' to blaze's sonic. not even necessarily in a romantic way.
>>576190593proof?
>>576190740They don't, Shadow and Silver don't need these two at all, Sonic is simply the main character.
>>576190607Oh? Which ones did he do vs the ones he didn't?
>>576190740even in that merch he's in the ''girl'' spot you're proving me more by ''the arm candy'' stuff is mostly blazefags writing cuck fanfiction.>>576190852she also teaches silver how to use chaos emeralds, which in turn, is what rescues sonic as silver uses her teachings to step up. in a way, she's the hero.
>>576191309https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_3D:_Flickies%27_Island#Mega_Drive_Version
>>576190852Arguing from the perspective that the characters are real people with control over how they act will never work. There are people behind the decision to put Blaze in 06 at all and it comes down to wanting Silver to have a piece of what worked with Shadow. A tragedy involving a girl he trusted and didn't want to let go of.The focus is not put on Blaze doing some grand monumental task that makes her look cool, the focus is on their relationship and how sad Silver is because he doesn't know what to do without her.
>>576190714I hate how cleanly this is and works out. Fuck you.>>576190740But Silver is the one is the armcandy slot here. Blaze is the one in the hedgehog category. Silver is HER armcandy, not the reverse. No one but sonazefags ever insist the reverse. Everyone always saw it as Blaze wearing the pants in the relationship.
Shadow is infertile
>>576191471Too bad it was crated to Blaze because that's how Cream was introduced the same way, all of it was essentially at Silvers expense
>>576191471>Arguing from the perspective that the characters are real people with control over how they act will never work.Then the entire argument shouldn't be made in the first place. The reason I bring it up is because its the basis you and other Blazeshitters use to say Blaze was done poorly in the game to begin with.Stfu.At this point what you are admitting is you are intolerant of Blaze ever being in a supporting role rather than the main character.
>>576190740https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRXUzhCRYf8
Role reversal play doesn't change the fact that Silver takes the lead of the overall story and Blaze is the one following him, helping him, being his plot device.If it were truly the other way around, where's all the stories about Silver ignoring his responsibilities in his future to come to the Sol Dimension to help Blaze with her problems? If she's actually the main one in dynamic, why is it still always about him and the future and a problem in Sonic's timeline when they're together?
>>576188807>>576188639>>576189037>MJI feel like it was always kinda known that Micheal Jackson didn't really compose any music for Sonic; even before Buxer clarified things years later, the prevailing story about Jackson's involvement with 3&K was him hating the Genesis sound chip and leaving part way through production.I think everyone always knew it was just a marketing gimmick by Sega. Likewise, Jackson is notably not credited with music composition in either Sonic 3 or S&K, nor is he anywhere in the credits (not even a special thanks). So it was always Buxer's music in Sonic 3.
>>576191603blazefags in general have main character syndrome and think the dynamics are about whos the main and who's the side character. even sonaze is a downstream of this because they believe having the MC of the whole show supposedly being the cosmic boyfriend to her gives her the most importance. 06's execution was flawed, but that game is 20 years old and was famously under dev hell.
>>576190740Jetbros...
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>>576191964Knuckles deserves better, Rouge is for the streets
>>576192070Some people want to believe it just because it sounds prestigious to have such a famous name associated with the game they like.
Blaze is A DIFFERENT VERSION OF SONICShe is AS FAST AS SONICEVERYTHING SONIC DOES Blaze can also do it And it's a FACT
>>576191340>she also teaches silver how to use chaos emeralds, which in turn, is what rescues sonic as silver uses her teachings to step up. in a way, she's the hero.Yes, compare this to Amy and Rouge eho are primarily supporting and cheerleading for Sonic and Shadow respectively, Blaze is consistently portrayed as the more together, level headed and knowledgeable one of the two, with silver needing to level up to meet her standard.And in the end the story days "its okay thet you are you. Youre gonna do great". Blaze leaves and silver is sad and alone without Blaze.But somehow Blazedags see this as her being HIS sidekick? Cap.Its bullshit. They are just trying to do what everyone does these days in weaponizing seemingly progressive narratives to push agendas.In reality they see it as Blaze "being stuck having to babysit Silver" instead of being a main character. That's it. They are delusional in believing in Blaze's supposed relevance because it comes from a place of entitlement.
>>576191612or so he thought before getting Rouge pregnant
>>576192308>entitlementI'm entitled to the character that was supposed to be about the Sol Dimension, not Silver's nanny. She doesn't have to be relevant, she doesn't have to be the main character, I don't want her with him at all.
>>576192193I think Whisper the Wolf is cool.......even if the comic doesn't.
>>576191967So you dont actually care about character dynamics. Just meta shit about who gets to be called "the main character" on Wikipedia. All blazwfag discoursr always centers on finding new ways to shill her at thr expense of everyone and everything else. Blaze was a mistake.
>>576183345All this would result is her becoming worse than Mighty and Ray are since her āfansā and Sega donāt give a shit about expanding her dimension. Sheād go from Daisy tier to Geno.
>>576192273For me, its more that it eould be poetic since Sonic himself is MJ inspired.The music sounds MJ regardless.
>>576191967>>576191967id argue soleanna does take a lot inspiration from her dimension to begin with. and no, it isn't about the future unless it's literally in one game, even their team name is ''dimensions''them being in sonic's timeline is because theres literally mandates aganist not using sol dimension or the future unless sega themselves do it, and sega doesn't see them as moneymakers like sonic and shadow are, at least not until very recently. they are both victims of the series revolving around sonic if anything
>>576192273Yeah, I remember Yuki Naka freaking out that the "Micheal Jackson" music was removed from Origins. lol
>>576192306>Blaze is A DIFFERENT VERSION OF SONICNo she isn't. >She is AS FAST AS SONICNo she isn't. There is no evidence of this. Even in Rush she is slower. >EVERYTHING SONIC DOES Blaze can also do it>And it's a FACTFiction you made up
>>576192308i mean that's part of what they don't like about it, silvaze is femdom adjacent and it doesn't appeal to them.i ve heard stuff that amounted to ''a more masc male should fuck blaze'' lmaoother part is yes, main character syndrome.
>>576192541You dont give a fuck about thr sol dimension. Months ago you were openly advocating it get erased anf she just be part of Sonic's dimension.Youre only switching up now that its been shown that simply dropping Blaze in Sonic's dimension because "lel why not" doesnt solve the fundemental issues with the character on a conceptual level
>>576192809I'll take that. I prefer her going dormant and obscure over seeing Sega shill her skinwalker version with Silver. I prefer her isolated in time knowing she can't be further ruined. I know a lot of characterfags can understand the concept of wanting their favorite to remain niche instead of raped by suits.>>576193280Retard I am not the same person you spoke to. I will never advocate for Ian's retarded logic
>>576192927>they are both victims of the series revolving around sonic if anythingThat's such a weird thing to say. Yes the main character of the series is who the series centers.
>>576193115Yes they want a character that will "break her" and "fix her" like "reseting a confused lesbian into being straight".
>>576193440>Retard I am not the same person you spoke toLiar. I recognize your same arguments and posting style. You arent fooling anyone. You straight up said you dont even care if she is a bum if she gets shoved into breng part of a "core 5".You dont give a shit about her dimension.
>>576193480yes but most series allow occasional spinoffs, characters whose premise is coming from other worlds never having those worlds expanded makes them pointless and honestly any discussion around them that isnt shipping boils down to that.
>>576190530>The Tails posters don't.Tailspedo...
>>576193681see id prefer if the twitterfags were honest and sait ''its gay/cuckshit'' instead of trying to virtue signal about saying fangirls drawing pegging fanart of silvaze is ''trophy wifing''
>>576193440Youāre overestimating her importance and writing, thereās nothing to ruin because by default sheās already boring
I hate your stupid sexual orientation games.First you want them straight, then you want them gay and lesbian, now you want the back straight.Then what, you want them to fuck a dog? A child perhaps? I can only generate so much fanfiction! "Oh oh let's abuse nicole, she can write anything!"
silver doesn't have any actual haters left, literally all of the hate towards him is either old dudes who dont care about the series anymore talking about him as an extension of ''06 bad'' or ship debates. its actually a good sign of the character lol
>>576190659Didn't put Shadow because that would be unfair and win it by far easily thanks to many Shadowfags and Krack putting effort in it.
>>576193849>I recognize your same arguments and posting style.You have schizophrenia, I am not the same person. I hate the idea of Blaze being pulled into Sonic's world as come cheap way to make her "accessible". Ian's retarded takes on bumblekast are still causing problems to this day that I'll never stop cursing that man for.>core 5Christ almighty I would never ask for this. I don't want her with Sonic, I don't want her with Silver. She needs to go back home and actually be the character described in her bio.
>>576193974>yes but most series allow occasional spinoffsNo thry dont though. Not every series is as big as Mario to where side characters all get random token spinoffs. And even in Mario's case, most of them are still very slim pickings. Most series dont get spinoffs for side characters AT ALL and of they do, it would go to major characters like the heroes best friend or love interest or something to that effect.Silver and Blaze are like C tier characters if that. The real issue was in the 2000s people seeing every new Sonic character as a permanent cast member addition because of Sonic Heroes.
Waiting for anon to realize there's at least 3 anons in this general that talks about Blaze and it's obvious who's who depending on what they sayThis is the obviously the marinefag that shits on sonaze and silvaze
>>576194140Can't say that in current year. Its honestly, but not socially acceptable!That said, i have seen an uptick of art where Silver is the more conventionally dominant one. But that seems like a response to discourse over his early IDW characterization.
>>576192308>>576193115>>576193681>>576194140>>576194798Silvaze is canon according to 06, Colors DS, japanese official Sonic twitter endorsing it and the Sonic Channel wallpapers.
>>576194342Yeah, I mostly call him shitver jist to bulli hihimi dont hate him sincerely. SS"S" is garbo trash tho.
The same arguments over and over and yet your ships still aren't canon.
>>576194972Idgaf about Silvaze. I just find Blazeshitters insufferable and have for all my time on this board.Im glad people are waking up to how toxic her fanbase is and always was.
>>576194420eh, i personally find the idea of different settings interesting and i think silver or blaze are very narratively hard to salvage if not.idk about blaze but i think silver definitely was going to get some game about him had 06 not bombed.regardless, how would you fix silver or the harder one, blaze narratively while also still having the setting revolve around sonic?
>>576194798i think its cuz people are more aware of their japanese characterizations, jp silver is a bit more masculine. though id say the role reversal narrative still applied there to lesser extent.
>>576194358Then go have arguments about it with other blazefags because they are the ones that convinced themselves it was a good idea and the direction to try and push the character because they refuse to agkbowlesge the limits and complications to her very conception.Most of Blaze's fans do not care about her actual lore. They just like her because "cool girl syndrome".
>>576147767I think weāve had a healthy amount
>>576194972i never denied it in my replies though, i don't even think the hate about it is about canoncity or non-canoncity.
>>576195504How do I overgeneralization people as hard as you? It's impressive.
Also how do I turn off autocorrect
>>576195274>regardless, how would you fix silver or the harder one, blaze narratively while also still having the setting revolve around sonic?You can't. You have to accept the characters just shpuldnt be used unless you specifically wanna use them and explore their baggage and elements. Unless you wanna do another hodgepodge game like we used to get in the day like the advance games or heroes where the core plot is so thin, it barely matters.But even then I question the merit in doing so because Blazw doesnt bring much different gameplaye-wise to justify including her and Silver's gameplay would have to be rethought to work in regular gameplay in general.We are only just now trying to conceive of gameplay that allows characters that arent Sonic and Shadow.
Notice how all the sperging and most centralized autism comes off femininity in general: straight ships, girl characters with rabid fans, all the lolcows are straight.While the gay sphere is chill and Sonadow is the only exception.
>>576195202it will be, mark my words
>>576195001i kind of get how he fits into shadow and sonic thematically actually but it's not emphasized well. other than that i don't really get how people say he is still hated or unpopular when literally only +40 oldfags and sonazefags express open dislike towards him
>>576195881>overgenerization.Open your eyes. We literally spent years arguing with Blazefags here talking about why Blaze isnt used and why just dumping her in Sonic's world wouldn't fix the problem. You're just deflecting from a truth you cant bring yourself to dismiss fully in good faith because you know its true.If it wasn't, we wouldn't be here. Granted, most of the advice Ian is getting is from his discord full of autistic comicfags who dont know how stories work.But the simple reality is a lot of Blaze's fags have never played her games and dont know her lore. They just know she is a "serious girl" who is powerful and has her own form analogous to Super Sonic.And that's enough for them.
So is the Tails spam a discord raid or what? Have we ever found that out yet?
>>576195997S..........................ilver
Ur gay.
>>576196569Ask a psychotherapist.
>>576195274>while also still having the setting revolve around sonic?Thats the neat part. You dont
>>576196474>we>you're>you>absolutes>more absolutes>discord>xfagsCar crash immediately
>>576196106Sonadow isn't liked by gays. Its only liked by obnoxious fujos.Most people dont care if you ship Sonic with Knuckles for example.
>>576194798i ve also seen sonazefags on reddit make more relatively positive comments to more ''malebrained'' or with dominant silver fanart too. its all mostly tsundere fagging.
>>576196679>shitver is a joke to others in-universe tooNow THAT is what I call kino and canon!
>Why are all [characterfags] in the I Hate [character] discord acting this way?
>>576195504I think the problem is that you conflate shipfags at a base level as being blazefags. Just as silvazefags aren't automatically silverfags, sonazefags aren't automatically blazefags. There is a circle of actual blazefags who want what I've said Also to be clear >>576195881>>576196751Are not me
>>576196679Amy be nice, he's your grand/son
>>576196679I didnāt know Amy was me
>>576196106thats because the gay ships arent taken seriously as psuhed by the narrative or seen as having potential to be canon, no one argues about sonouge or silvamy either because no one thinks these are narratively pushed ships. if sonic was a yaoi franchise there would definitely be shipwars about which boy sonic or male blaze should be with.
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>>576196106I was gonna argue there's Tailspedos making a fuss always and historically, but all I can think are them obnoxious with Rails, Tailsmo or that they are pedophiles and not really gay. You might be on something.
>>576196294>i kind of get how he fits into shadow and sonic thematically actually but it's not emphasized well.It's entirely forced.Shadow was conceived around a specific duality with Sonic in relation to Super Sonic.Silver is stapled onto that to make him feel artificially more important than he is.The past present future thing "sounds" logical until you examine it with any real scrutiny.Sonic represents the present because he loves in the moment and lives like to the fullest in the time he had. Shadow represents the past because he represents your past creeping up behind you and setting yourself free from it as you keep moving forward.Silver is the future because.....he's from the future and wants to save the future.Even his having Chaos Control and a Superform and looking like Sonic is forced.Shadow was conceptualized with that trait, to the point its still in his bios to this day and the movie and prime were mandated to have it stated and highlighted that they look and vibe similar.Silver just has it tacked on to daisychain him into the dynamic.Its not as bad as Blaze who basically tries to make the entire verse revolve around her and her dimension in relation to Sonic and his, but its similarly cringe and annoying.Shadow was additive and protected Sonic's character by having a character that could be made to do dark edgeshit so Sonic didn't have to.Blaze is a leech and SS"S" is Silver being stapled onto an existing dynamic.
I DONT FUCKING CARE JUST FUCKING VAULT BOTH OF THEMTHERE, HAPPY
The buildup for Dr.Starline's reveal is longer than the entire Metal Virus arc and almost twice as long as Surge and Kit's arc.They're spending over 2 and half years building him up when it was obvious it was him the moment they revealed his costume.
Anyone whose eyes are glued to reddit and discord arguments need to be taken care of.
>>576197068>I think the problem is that you conflate shipfags at a base level as being blazefagsNo, I'm talking about what are essentially "GlazeTheCat"fags. Shipfags are a part of it but are just trying to rides whatever waves to push their agendas.
"Waah Sticks don't fit in the world of Sonic" and here we are still arguing about Silver and Blaze because their very presence in anything calls everything into question
>>576197085She's mad at Tails for catfishing her. Silver is her cute dork friend she tardwrangled in another timeline.
>>576197486he represents the future because his motif is ''idealism'' in its purest form, his psychic powers play into that with ''making things possible with thought'' and seeming like ''making the impossible possible'' promises of the past, freedom in the present and hope for the future. his personality and themes are also the opposite of shadow's which makes him close to a ''light sonic'' he is alluded to be supernatural which is the logical tird to natural/artificial/supernatural.other than that the silver/blaze duo is kind of relevant, i do believe silvaze being some kind of inversion of ''sonic in amy's place'' ''amy in sonic's place'' is deliberate though i don't have enough concrete things to say about it yet.
Shitver!Shitze!Shitrine!The 3 shittest friends of shitty friends category!
>>576197124That's not really it either. It's that people have a tendency to actively use ships to attack other ships.Most ship content for Silvamy or Blazamy for example is Sonadow or Sonazefags "pairing them off" to "get them mouth of the way".Sonucks fags just do their gay ship shit and leave everyone else alone.The hate your ship gets is more relevant to its offciallity. Shippers deadass will hate ships on the basis of being official alone because they see it as the story telling them who to ship.
>>576198052>>576197486that being said, he is built moreso to foild shadow and blaze than sonic himself, sonic in the games might as well be a mcguffin to him than having an actual dynamic.
>>576198142I think they're all okay. I think you and character spergs are stinky.
>>576186482/sthg/ favorite ship. :)
Vanilla is the only Sonic character confirmed to had sex.
>>576197821>"GlazeTheCat"fagsThese types are a cancer everywhere though, I wouldn't call them blazefags either. If you don't give a fuck about Blaze or what her character's supposed to be about, then that's not a blazefag. If you have to change the character or her background to like her more, you don't like the character. This general has spent years saying that over and over with various characters
You are all the same exact person.
>>576198508yeah with me
>>576198394idk i dont see many sonazefags like silvamy actually, they like shadamy due to similar ''opposite attracts'' logic + they usually dislike silver, espilver is closer to being ''shipped because they want to get silver out of the way''i mean, ''hate'' is why people argue about this stuff to begin with. people only hate ships if they see it as a threat or if its something they can moralfag about. silvamy doesnt threaten anyone by having official push or has something like bad age gap or sibling coding or whatever.
>>576198669Can confirm
Blaze is like a comic shit mary sue OC downright blatant as writer's pet but somehow official and canon.
>>576198508EggmanGeraldGerald's sonsThe ConductorThe Conductor's wife that he slams babies intoRouge's mom that she mentioned once
>>576198052>he represents the future because his motif is ''idealism'' in its purest form, his psychic powers play into that with ''making things possible with thought'' and seeming like ''making the impossible possible''None of these are really unique to him though, nor are they tied into his actual motivations, stories, etc.Sonic himself has these things. Amy too.It also doesn't address the whole Super Sonic = Chaos Control = wishes thing that Shadow was conceived with.That dynamic existed to elevate Sonic on a mythic level.Silver is here to leech when it comes to SS"S". At least Blaze has the decency to have a Burning Form instead.
>>576198839>Blaze and Silver areftfy
>>576198858>Rouge's mom that she mentioned oncewhen. and so help me if this is a comics thing
I want to see the next mainline Sonic game
>>576199096Same
>>576198463>"chilidogs and fries we dont go on DATES"fag still here schizoing against Amy
>>576192990It's still funny to me that this is how we found out the rumor was true after almost three decades. He just casually dropped dropped it on Twitter.
>>576199096I don't. I wish SEGA would vault Sonic.
>>576198831>idk i dont see many sonazefags like silvamy actuallyThey don't. But they will pair them off to get them out of the way since Sonamy and Silvaze are more popular ships.Many Shadamyfags do with with Sonaze actually, assuming they dont just make Sonic out to be a jerk or a loser for "not seeing what he had in front of him"
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR
>>576199576Cute!
yknow what, maybe SEGA should drop everything and go full retard mode and bank off shipping with shovelware pooping VNs one after another since that's ALL YOU FUCK SAY ABOUT
>>576199075I might be misremembering if it was from TMoStH or an annua-ACK!
>>576194357Krack is based tranny
>>576199754I thought it was TSR
>>576160496>>576161470Double down on Tangle being a smooth talker with the ladies
>>576199075NTA but its TSR iirc.>>576198508>>576198858Don't forget Gun Commander's parents. Himself. His kid. And his kid's kid.
>>576199890Probably. It was from some sort of spinoff/supplementary media for sure.
>>576199832Just as Shin Nakamura envisioned!
>>576199746Wanna talk about Sonic games? What are your thoughts on the combat systems in Sonic games?
>>576198839Yes but you can't say it because people think being a sue is just about being toostrong and not having gone through a training arc.
Tangle using her boyish bishonen charm on women! Amy using her girlish shoujo charm on Sonic!
>>576200016Sonic the baby maker franchise
>>576200143>What are your thoughts on the combat systems in Sonic games?My thoughts are WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PUTTING COMBAT ON A PINBALL ARCADE PLATFORMING GAME
>>576200196"strong female" = invincible and morally infallible = mary sue
>>576199492i see espilver more by them actually, they kind of push the silver is so homo + dreams of an absolution is about gay romance thing even though if you actually play the game the song's melody is shared by the ost that plays when blaze is around to either to either tell him what to do or is transporting to another dimension. silvamy i mostly just see amyfags or silverfags doing out of boredom.>>576198921sonic is moreso about freedom fom constraints and amy is moreso about love and care than both are used as strongly about idealism to the same degree. silver's journey is also kind of about becoming a ''sonic'' as he flip flops between being impulsively reckless and too hesistant. in the end he comes onto his own and asserts the naive idealism he has, when everyone else is down without sonic and helps revive him, hes kinda used in stories where sonic is ''dead'' effectively a last hope, silver lining or even reincarnation. he is also the reverse of shadow in personality, mannerisms or thematics. even in their relation to time (shadow is forcefully thrown into present from the past and aims to destroy the world, silver is from the future and willingly travels to ''present'' to save the world)
>>576200058Shun Nakamura didnt write Blaze being into the story. Neither did Maekawa. Including her was a mandate from higher ups.
> According to a source at Playground Games, a new 2.5D Sonic game is currently in development at Sega. The game is reportedly planned for release in 2027 or shortly thereafter.
>>576198428Character spergs have some usefulness even if it's by escalating franchise critiques to uncomfortable truths with a dash of idiotic character blaming
>>576200196"Girlboss" and "strong female" are two different tropes.
>>576200584It better play like Advance/Rush/Shadow Gens or else...
>>576200407I agree. I thought /sthg/ would like combat in Sonic games since I don't think most posters here are huge fans of classic Sonic gameplay.
>>576200584I think this is a fake leak. What do Forza devs have to do with Sonic and leaks?>>576200735What's wrong with classic Sonic gameplay? Rush seems way more shallow and Advance games add a lot of bloat with their mechanics.
>>576199492>>576200491(me)by what i said i think the intention was them being a north pole and south pole versions of sonic while sonic himself is the complete pic. though i do agree silver isn't fleshed out. though i think he has a lot of shit hidden in the vault for his game that never came to fruition which i am curious about.
>>576200735>It better play like [boost instant dopamine with faux physics and corridor level design] or else...Classicfags are right, you people don't actually want good Sonic games.
>>576200914>What's wrong with classicNothing, I just want my dimps shit. I don't like how they do classic gameplay these days and would rather boot up AIR if I get the itch.
>>576200914>What do Forza devs have to do with Sonic and leaks?Could be any number of things. Maybe they know someone at Sega that they network with within the same industry who leaked it to them. Maybe they've been tapped for some development support. Maybe they got their hands on some upcoming release info when trying to plan out a release of one of their own games around competition. Who the fuck knows? Or, yeah, it could also just be fake. Only way to find out is to wait.
>>576200950Silver really just needs to get a chance to fully shine as a character
>>576201197The only bad game he listed is Shadow Generations.
>>576201197Did you enjoy Superstars and Classic in Forces/Gens?
>>576200461No. Plenty of stories have strong female characters that aren't considered sues. 9/10, when a female character gets called a Sue, they would get called a sue even if they were a boy.See Boruto.Ultimately what has and always had made a Sue as Sue has never been the actual contents of the character's writing. It's always been their implementation into an existing narrative.Rey gets called a Sue because it feels like the story is replacing Luke, making him look bad to make her look good in a shallow way.Korra gets called a Sue because people see her as replacing Aang without properly filling the same role he did.Korra gets rolled all the time and Aang has a literal Deus Ex Machina power the story has to make up reasons on the fly to justify him not just immediately using to win right away.Boruto is a spoiled privileged brat with daddy issues with all his mom and dad's powers. Similarly, the cast in Digimon 02 got called Stu/Sues as well.People call Meiko in Tri a Sympathy Sue.The reality is, the reason you have all these different "sue" types is because the contents on the character arent what makes them a sue. Its the implementation, function and self indulgence of the writer that does. Or percieved.Mary Sue from a Trekkies Tale wasn't bad because she had all those traits. It was bad because she had all of them to shill her OC and make the story revolve around how awesome she was at the expense of the other character's and narrative.And that's what makes Blaze a sue.
>>576201197>mad about most of the only good/liked 2D Sonic games since GenesisClassicfag in disguise.
>>576201260nice Silver
>>576201357Classic in Gens is good. Forces is shit, though. The engine change fucked the physics. Having played Gens twice and Forces once within the last 4-ish months, I'm pretty confident about this. Gens is carried by the level design, though. The physics are better than Forces but not great.
>>576201225You hate the dropdash or what?>>576201357Classic played better than Modern and Avatar in Forces.Superstars has solid gameplay and level design. Everything else about it is pretty bad.
>How do I make this about classic vs modernNice try classicbr0
>>576200491Amy's love has always been about using it to be your power and motivation. Its about how it stimulates proactive behavior and good vibes to the people around you through sincere and positive feelings, as well as how it energizes you to be your best self.
>>576201260> just needs a chance he has had plenty of them. we need to know what you people actually want because what he has isn't good enough
>>576201260i think his themes, motivations and personality play into the sss well, its just that his story and origin or themes aren't fully adressed. the intention is to have two extremes while sonic is in middle.
This isn't exactly a new revelation for me, but this latest issue's preview page reinforces one of my major hang ups with IDW Sonic: it tries too hard to deconstruct Sonic as a character and as a series with none of the payoff and nothing of substance to replace it with.The same thing's been done with western superheroes like Superman, except--again, with none of the talent to make it work
>>576201434What's so good about Shadow Gens?>>576201609That's better than talking about IDW shit
>>576201589>>576201598>Gens is good>Forces Classic played better than [anything]lol no
>>576201703>it tries too hard to deconstruct Sonic as a characterIt's Starline
>>576201197I love the classics but I also get annoyed when Classicfags pretend they arenr shallow aestheticucks themselves who just care about genesist retro pixel graphics.Pressing down on hills to watch sonic roll through setpieces isnt automatically deeper gameplay. Superstars actually has better level design than the classics in that respect.
>>576201703Yeah, it feels like they're trying to set up some kind of self-reflective moment that we all know isn't going to pay off.>>576201756>What's so good about Shadow Gens?pic>>576201826>Gens is goodYes.
>>576201859It's not just him, it's the entire comic
>>576201826Sonic Generations is a solid game. I don't like boost, but Gens uses it well. Classic Sonic is fun in that game despite the inaccurate physics.>Forces Classic played better than [anything]Yes? He has better level design and controls than the other playable characters in Forces.
>>576200735Advance I agree since I want a 2D Sonic game that gives the characters a bigger movesets than just a jump abilityRush and Shadow Gens is boostslop that overstayed it's welcome, it's just limits level design and free movement
>>576201427I love her!
>>576201992>He has better level design and controls than the other playable characters in Forces.Astoundingly low bar.
i need your help anonsi like to collect art and images. and lost my old collection especially of c-tier chars. please provide me with any type of good solo image, art, render, etc. of these characters if you have it:>elise>molly>barry>tiara>fang>starline>whisper>tangle>kitsunami>wave>marine>scourge>zeti (zavok, zeena, zazz, etc)>mephiles>charmy>gadget>cosmo>surge>tikal>jet>big>mina>omega>trip>fiona>lanolin>sticks>metal>sally>nicole>vanilla
>>576201614i don't disagree, but it is different from proactively literally trying to rewrite time or try reviving the dead. amy can make a speech about how people deserve to live and have good in them cheer the mood with good vibes and motivate people etc. but silver will literally try to make the impossible possible with his thoughts.that being said i think amy and silver share some themes deliberately, partly for the amy/sonic role reversal thing blaze and silver have going around, and partly because they are both future oriented have soemthing to do with time. the later media plays that subtext and their connections heavier than 06 did lately so i ve been seeing a lot of silver and amy comparisons, almost as much as he is compared to sonic and shadow.
>>576202061Me, too!
>>576201992>Sonic Generations is a solid game. I don't like boostBoost is good when done well aka not Generations. Classic in Generations is better by comparison but why play that when you can play a proper 2D Sonic game instead?>Yes? He has better level design and controls than the other playable characters in Forces.No the fuck he doesn't lol
>>576202202how did you lose your old collections?
>>576201598>Classic played better than Modern and Avatar in Forces.So we're just lying? Avatar and Tag played best in Forces.
>>576202323hot
>>576201943I am not baiting. Shadow Gens is overrated and I don't know why Sonic fans love it so much. At least Frontiers finally gets shitted on now.>>576201881I wouldn't mind other art styles.>Pressing down on hills to watch sonic roll through setpieces isnt automatically deeper gameplaySpeed sections are traps. They punish passive play.>Superstars actually has better level design than the classics in that respectI wish they used Sonic physics more in the level design. A lot of the Superstars levels are designed like generic platformers with their platforming sections.
>>576201703It's all part of Ian's plan. He is trying to get people to complain and hate on Sonic's character enough that Sega changes it.That's what the Sonic Cycle Starline plan was all along.That was always the goal.
>>576202335>Boost is good when done well aka not GenerationsDon't tell me you are a Rushfag...> but why play that when you can play a proper 2D Sonic game instead?Because it adds variety to Gens?>No the fuck he doesn't lolHis levels are way less automated and linear.>>576202391Null Space is its only "good" level and it has less platforming than Classic's levels.
>>576201598>You hate the drop dash?No, I think it's okay but it doesn't make or break games for me if it's included or not.>Classic has the best gameplay in ForcesI don't like Forces and everything in it was half baked. Classic being the king of the garbage pile doesn't interest me.>SuperstarsI'm biased, sorry.>>576202059I have a weird taste when it comes to boost. I enjoy it most when it's not an attack and just a movement option. I guess the boost aura is what I don't care for. There are other things in Rush and ShadGens that I liked when it came to movesets that would be nice to see return.
>>576201703>it tries too hard to deconstruct Sonic as a character and as a series with none of the payoff and nothing of substance to replace it with.Almost like a modern leftist made it, you know the kind who would rant about capitalism and deconstructing it, but without any real alternative because every non-market economy failed.
I think MovieNic should make his own super hero costume
I would fuck Rotorfag and be the Rotor of his life
>>576202638What's your favorite part about the boost? The speed, resource management, or something else?
>>576202620>Don't tell me you are a Rushfag...Rush is one of the many better games yeah>Because it adds variety to Gens?Why are you playing it in the first place when you could be playing the games it's ripping off>His levels are way less automated and linear.Yeah and the gameplay is shit that's not a positive
>>576202834https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tusk_(2014_film)
sonic is closer to superman than the others as he's just a good guy doing good things and has all the answers or at least knows how to get them. he lacks the appeal of something like spiderman who wrestles with moralties and heroics that may be more appealing to others like silver. sonic as a franchise struggles with anything that isn't a superman type plot which is why the idea of a light sonic struggles to make sense when the mc is always the beacon of hope and why it can only work when said mc is taken out of the story or made to falter to a conflict
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>>576201703These writers are millennials. All they know is how to pick apart classic tropes and portray them as bad
>>576202856Since they're allergic to spindash, I think boost as a fast movement option or gap clearer is okay. It's probably the only thing I give Frontiers credit for even if they give you ways to abuse it easily.
Sonic characters for this feel?https://youtu.be/7QO_iWTQldA
fuck... i need to breed sonic's ass
>>576202216>but it is different from proactively literally trying to rewrite time or try reviving the deadIs it? Amy's connection to Sonic through her cards can already be said to be that.Those things arent really a theme, just an outcome of a theme.You can technically have those things happen for any reason you want. The themes come back to the "why" of it>>576202216>that being said i think amy and silver share some themes deliberately, partly for the amy/sonic role reversal thing blaze and silver have going around, and partly because they are both future oriented have soemthing to do with time. the later media plays that subtext and their connections heavier than 06 did lately so i ve been seeing a lot of silver and amy comparisons, almost as much as he is compared to sonic and shadow.Sure
>>576203079I wish my fellow millennials weren't like that
>>576202894>Rush is one of the many better games yeahNot with that level design and movement...>Why are you playing it in the first place when you could be playing the games it's ripping offBecause I played those games to death and I want to play some other Sonic game.>Yeah and the gameplay is shit that's not a positiveClassic is still the least shit part about Forces. TOTAL CLASSIC VICTORY
>>576202335Boost can be good but it will always hold Sonic back from having real player expression like using the physics of the environment and terrain to gain speed and translating into jump height
>>576203319>Classic is still the least shit part about Forces.Lol no it isn't the controls are the worst thing ever. The best part about Forces is dressing up the OC>>576203326I agree. We should have multiple styles even in 3D
>>576203205>Since they're allergic to spindashI don't think that's the case anymore since they added the dropdash to Frontiers and Gens and the spindash to Frontiers. They are not implemented perfectly, but it is a start.
>>576201703What do you mean by deconstruct?
>>576202408>Speed sections are traps.Forced pasivitt trap Pariah meme. The goal of the game is to beat the game. You dont even get your times tracked by the game.Speed sections exist because they are cool. Yasuhara said as much.>I wish they used Sonic physics more in the level designAnd they won't because they only appeal to a minority of autists when used to that extent.Most people would rather just feel like they have control of their character rather than feel like a physics marble in a pinball table>but pinball is part ofIm aware. Im just stating facts. The pinball in Sonic was for gamefeel reasons moreso than gameplay anyway.
>>576202061Only non-shit OC.
>>576202620>Null Space is its only "good" level and it has less platforming than Classic's levels.I agree but I think Avatar Stages are all at least "okay" whereas All modern and Classic levels are subpar to bleh.Nothing in the game is offensively bad in general though. More offensively shallow if anything.
>>576203326I hope Kishimoto will commit to making his next Sonic game more focused on physics-based gameplay.
>>576202738
Why are we talking about shitty games now? Can't we go back to ships?
>>576203681>The goal of the game is to beat the game.While getting a high score which includes not getting hit, collecting rings, and getting the Time Bonus by completing it quickly. The game DOES track your time, the old ones just don't save the high score.
>>576203545If they can make dropdash not feel like an afterthought in 2.5D then I'll take it. Idk, I just don't want to play classic skinwalkers.
>>576203681>Forced pasivitt trap Pariah meme.You think arcade game design is a meme?>The goal of the game is to beat the gameThe goal of arcade games like Sonic is to replay them until you get good at them>You dont even get your times tracked by the gameTime bonus still exists>Speed sections exist because they are cool. Yasuhara said as much.It's almost like they serve a dual purpose...>And they won't because they only appeal to a minority of autists when used to that extent.Can you elaborate?>Most people would rather just feel like they have control of their character rather than feel like a physics marble in a pinball tableThat's why we have the low skill paths for them>The pinball in Sonic was for gamefeel reasons moreso than gameplay anyway.Please elaborate
>>576204128knuckles should definitely pile-drive sonic's ass into oblivion
>>576204128Okay. Knuckles and Mina
>>576203303the cards are more of a ''fate'' thing, sonic and amy are destined to be together, but it's too ''early'' part of why amy sorta relates to future, her cards saw the future, and she's sometimes acting like its the future or being rash because of it. the silver amy comparisons started more as either silvazefags shipschizo'ing based on shoes or uwufags trying to get fuel for their femboy desire but they are deliberately connecting him to amy further in later media + he kinda mirrored amy even back to 06 so i actually see it even outside these memes.
>>576204128Kill yourself>>576204256The dropdash was an afterthought in both Frontiers and Sonic Gens. Kishimoto even admitted to that on twitter.
>>576204128mephiles x silver is the greatest gay ship
>>576202991>sonic is closer to superman than the others as he's just a good guy doing good things Sort of. Superman does them because he believes in justice and doing good. >and has all the answers or at least knows how to get them.Sonic doesnt have all the answers and doesnt pretend he does. He just trusts his heart. That's one of the differences between GameSonic and IDW Sonic. Sonic in the games will present it as him just giving his opinion. IDWnic puts his foot down and insists you follow in accordance to what he says, and constantly feels like he has to justify his "pseudo political opinion" that he doesnt even have.>sonic as a franchise struggles with anything that isn't a superman type plot which is why the idea of a light sonic struggles to make sense when the mc is always the beacon of hope and why it can only work when said mc is taken out of the story or made to falter to a conflictI don't really agree.The reason Light Sonic doesnt work is because Sonic is already light.Silver isn't light Sonic. He is trying to be Light Shadow. Its them trying to recapture the Shadow effect again. Blaze wasnt much different. Just executed more shamelessly.
>>576204426Yeah, I was pretty disappointed when that was confirmed. Instashield has never let me down.
>>576204539I'm not familiar with how sonic acts in idw but i'll take your word for it
>>576202991Remember when people here used to call Sonic a Paragon or Paragonic?That's why
>>576204402(me)the why of it is connects to his powers and personality/character type. though i think silver falls flat partly because his story is kind of a draft in 06 and they hever had the chance to further expand on his origin or story or further flesh out the thematics after that. i think there's going to be some kind of lore reveal again as he gets popular.
IDW writing in a nutshell>This thing the games keep saying is good is actually bad, here are some cinemasins style analysis on how this is bad >This character trait that is usually portrayed as good is actually bad. Shadow is too proud and serious, he needs to be punished for this >We aren't allowed to use a certain Archie headcanon so we will do the extreme opposite thing out of spite
My paragonic
it will be required to read idw to play frontiers 2
>>576203326>real player expression >using the physics of the environmentLolWanting the movement to be a specific way doesn't make it more real by default.The reality is in the classics, the physics and rolling were used primarly to automate and railroad the player to keep them moving and make it so you always feel like youre makong progress even when you are just fucking around.Also spectacle.Muhmentumfags played CD once and then turned into the Christcucks of Sonic deceminating the holy bible of "true sonic game design" and made up stories about it that were not really real.https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamedeveloper.com%2Fdesign%2Fgame-design-psychology-the-full-hirokazu-yasuhara-interview
>>576204865They'll put in reference boxes for which issues you need to read for each scene.
>>576203851The Final Horizon Cyberspace levels does give me a little bit hope but not if it's going to be the EXACT same as those levels
>>576204865Sonic if it was owned by Scott Cawthon>>576204645Instashield > homing attack
>>576204426>Kill yourselfShips fuel this franchise's longevity. Movies and IDW are carrying it unlike shitty games and you need to accept it.
>>576205089>Ships fuel this franchise's longevityThis goes hard if you are a retarded foid>Movies and IDW are carrying itonly on /sthg/>>576205002What did you dislike about them? I only didn't like the dogshit visuals and pop-in
Why are gamefags like this?
>>576204860the loving, caring, helpful paragon
>>576205082Silver gets feminized because the english voice actor and script make him sound like a helpless geek
>>576204193>While getting a high score which includes not getting hit, collecting rings, and getting the Time Bonus by completing it quickly. Optional. The main incentive for getting core innthe classics is more continues so you could afford to die more, increasing your likelihood of successfully beating the game.>The game DOES track your time, the old ones just don't save the high score.They don't. The game just awards you points at the end of a level based on time. Which feeds back into what I said above. Games back then were designed around being survival gauntlets. That was a shift intrinsic to the shift from aecades to consoles.Sonic still had arcade appeal but it was at the time funneled back into the survival -> win the game mentality.The reality is gamers are just better at games now than we were back then. We've had years of gaming experience, become accustomed to game design conventions and the language of games, etc. The average person struggles to even just beat Sonic 1. So did players back in 1991.
>>576205089>>576195202
>>576205369Women love trying to sneak Sonadow in
>>576205359Which ones, the physicsfags or boostfags?
>>576205515Both and adventurefags.
>>576205447Playing well is optional, yes. It is ultimately the goal. Getting a high score is the main objective of arcade style games.>The reality is gamers are just better at games now than we were back then.No you're not lmao most of you can't play the games well at all, hence why you're looking for excuses for your shit gameplay.
>>576205629good post>>576205626why do you hate us?
>shippingCHICKEN JOCKEY
anons, i still haven't watched the new tailstube yet. how is bryce's performance as silver? does he sound kinda gay or is he on a similar path to ono? (major obvious doubt on that latter)
>>576204539silver is an even lighter sonic, that's part of why he gets the amy comparisons or gets feminized. (amy is arguably already light sonic in a different direction) sonic isn't shown to be heavily concerned with ethics and heroics or is actively shown to stop to think about what to do or what is right. sonic isn't as altruistic, is not shown to be as emotionally caring or open, doesn't have purity/naivety/honesty as his main themes, though i agree he's designed more around being south pole to shadow than around sonic himself.hes like an 2 while shadow is -1, but sonics more a 1 than a true 0>>576205380the eastern fans still do it in relation to sonic or shadow, i agree dubism contributed but its not ''all'' of the reason.
Don't forget to vote >>576186482.
The games were a mistake to Sonic.
>>576206164We don't care about your retarded poll dude
>>576206128https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UDOIdn2lHs&t=69s
>>576206316Games are the only good part about Sonic
>>576204270>You think arcade game design is a meme?I think the idea it was the main way thr Classics were designed is a meme.One pushed by pro-gamers who have lost touch with reality and need just-so stories to rationalze their personal experience and relationship with games they have long since outskilled but find fun exploiting and pushing to their limits.>The goal of arcade games like Sonic is to replay them until you get good at themThat's a part of the appeal of it but it isn't "the goal".The goal of the game is to just beat it. The baseline of a game worth replaying to get better at has to be a baseline experience that is sufficiently engaging.>Time bonus still existsFor score. To get continues. To help you not game over. Because the goal is to win the game>It's almost like they serve a dual purpose...The second one is one you made up.The sections explicitly designed around the player being alert during a speed section ate memorization and timing challenges. Its not the speed sections themselves on general being "passivity traps".That's just weird framing that doesnt apply properly to how they are integrated into the game design, let alone as confessed by its developers.>Can you elaborate?I dont speed for myself here but its just very clear that the average person doesnt actually find muhmentum shit fun to begin with. They find it annoying. Players in general want to feel in control of Sonic and his actions and speed rather than feeling smart for knowing when and where to have him roll and jump so that he flows through the levels "properly".This is something muhmentumfags dont wanna accept but that vision of Sonic doesnt have mass appeal or sell the fantasy of Sonic as a game to people. >That's why we have the low skill paths for themRight so only the enlightened philosopher kings are allowed to have fun playing the game. Its always been an elitism thing.>Please elaborateSonic doesnt actually play like pinball.
Sonic died with the Nintendo Wii and DS
>>576206443There's only 4, maybe 5 good games.
>>576206462The goal of arcades is to get good scores. Sonic is a game about going fast, so completing acts fast is rewarded with higher scores.
>>576206652Yeah. Sonic 3, Advance 3, Riders, Heroes, and Crossworlds
>>576204758Metal Virus is a good example. Characters will regularly critique or try to blame him saying Tinker shouldnt be killed is the reason why the Metal Virus happened and Sonic will get insecure and come up with some argument to justify his decision. That's not really Sonic's m.o.He's not really trying to defend or justify his actions or way of doing things. He just does it, it works out for him and them he goes "well it works for me, maybe give it a shot"The Sonic series purports that the world would be a little better if we were a little bit more like Sonic. But IDWs writers confuse this for Sonic himself needing or insisting everyone does.
>>576206319Silvazebro!
>>576206160Silver gets feminized even though he's the most reckless, unstable and rudest out of them
>>576204789>>576204860Paragonic is still truth though. He is a paragon!
>>576207061Boy Amy
>>576205021>Instashield > homing attackInstashield is only shilled by ebin gamers who care more abput exploitfagging than having actual fun.Spikes are the worst
>>576207061its a combination of his visual design and having some kind of softness or purity that comes from being ''light sonic' i don't think he's a femboy but i get why people have that impression despite his rougher attitude in jp dubs.
>>576201703>The same thing's been done with western superheroes like Superman, except--again, with none of the talent to make it workExcept "deconstructing heroes" has never worked. As much as people like to jack off Watchmen (the source of all this), that was only saved cause the of the editor. He told Alan to NOT bastardize the old Charleston characters and just make OCs instead. That's why it works.Emphasis on the word "BASTARDIZATION" cause that's why is really happening here. An actual deconstruction makes you love the characters more. Bastardization is what happens when a nonfan complains about all the shit you love as if it were some objective statement.On that note, only retards who ruin their lives should be "self-reflecting". The fucking hero who saves your ass on a regular basis doesn't need to.
>>576205089>Ships fuel this franchise's longevity.Shipfags are so delusional to believe this. Shiptardation has caused more harm than good. This is true in every fandom.Its just people trying to play Dominance hierarchy games.Same with powerscalers
>>576207214yep
>The Sonic series purports that the world would be a little better if we were a little bit more like Sonic.Wait you mean secretly disregarding all my friends and my love life, abandoning my responsibilities and rebelling against cops shocking me for deliberate damage to public property makes the world a little better?Wow... so deep, Sparky...
>>576205629>Playing well is optional, yesDefine "playing well". By the objective metrics of the game, playing well just means not making mistakes and beating the game.>No you're not lmao most of you can't play the games well at all, hence why you're looking for excuses for your shit gameplay.I like how you made up an argument to a thing i didnt even say.My point was that the people playing Sonic 1 now and rolling the game over were not doing so in 1991.
>>576206652And there are no good Sonic comics, movies, anime, etc.>>576206462>I think the idea it was the main way thr Classics were designed is a meme.So you think Sonic games weren't designed with both low skill gameplay and high skill gameplay in mind?>The baseline of a game worth replaying to get better at has to be a baseline experience that is sufficiently engaging.I agree, but the reason Sonic games have an end is to make them beatable in a single sitting. This adds a lot of replay value.>For score. To get continues. To help you not game over. Because the goal is to win the gameYes. Sonic games reward high skill play. That's my point.>The second one is one you made up.No? Routing is a key part of beating levels quicker.>the average person doesnt actually find muhmentum shit fun to begin with. They find it annoying.That's why low skill paths are a thing. Also, classic Sonic games give you way more control than 3D Sonic games. In the classics I never felt like I can't control Sonic's movement.>Right so only the enlightened philosopher kings are allowed to have fun playing the gameI never said that low skill paths are less fun than high skill paths>Sonic doesnt actually play like pinball.Duh. Sonic is a platformer with pinball mechanics. It isn't a pinball game with platforming mechanics.
>>576207001>The Sonic series purports that the world would be a little better if we were a little bit more like Sonic.If you're a hood drugged gorilla nigger, maybe.
>>576207789>Define "playing well".I don't need to. The game does it already. Higher number = better play, so look at what the game is designed to give higher scores for: Rings and time.>My point was that the people playing Sonic 1 now and rolling the game over were not doing so in 1991.Yeah you're not expected to do it on a first play, you're expected to play over and over to get good scores.
>>576207379Homing attack is way more janky than the Instashield.
>>576207413>>576207061for example he asks for encouragement from blaze, and his refusal to sacrifice her in that game specifically mirrored what girls did to their loved ones. they also have him be distracted by chao because they are ''too cute'' in some gag comic and also playing witht hem in rivals 2.visually, white and cyan are softer colors that get used for female characters more in the franchise compared black red or navy blue his black liner can look like eyelash and his long boots are similar to the female chars. curved fownwards quills etc.
>>576207536>Only retards who ruin their lives should be "self-reflecting". The fucking hero who saves your ass on a regular basis doesn't need to.Nta but this is the perfect way to describe Sonic vs all the other characters, and why characters like Silver and the others have an appeal that Sonic doesn't: they want a character that angsts and reflects on their bad decisions/life events. People want to see retards
>>576205629Never beating the elitism alegations.>>576206160>silver is an even lighter sonicHe really isn't. Silver is defined by his dark past, being wrangled by Amy into questioning his mission, getting mistaken for Sonic and then crying when his waifu leaves. That's Shadow's playbook. Same with Blaze. We'll her its more Shadow+Knuckles' but I digress.The real Sonic analogues in that respect are Amy, Big and i guess Cream.
>>576207697Wait, I'm confused, are we supposed to be like Sonic or not change to get respect from our friends?
>>576208254How is it elitism?
Hessefag was right, holy shit. Modern really bought everything bad to it.
>>576208432Hessefag is funny. Why does he like the beanface Sonic?
>>576206692But the best way to get highscores in the classics is via grinding and then getting the 9:59 score bonus...which requires you to take MORE time not less.The classics would have benefited from a ranking system or a highscore tracker in game. It's not like it isn't something that games didnt do on consoles back then either. I think Puyo Puyo had highscore initials system actually.
>>576205369>>576205464Stupid fujo. Sonadow is disgusting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqSxKGxugHU
>>576208432For sure. Bad games, opening gates to secondary retards, shiptardism, lore autism. All of this can be traced back to modern Sonic.
>>576208695Yes, the scoring in the classics is fucked and can be exploited, that doesn't invalidate the rest of the game's design. Ad yes SA2 objectively improved the scoring system by introducing Ranks.
Aura
Hessefag jobbed to a kidney stone
>>576208839All that shit started with SatAM and the Archie comics
>>576208902sonic is becoming old. and alcoholic...
>>576208786>4k subs>foid talkingbuy an ad
>>576208695Most games have a broken scoring system, including actual arcade games. This is why it's important to know what the devs were trying to reward with it rather than how it actually works in practice. It is a flaw, but it doesn't recontextualize how the game is meant to be played.
shipping and lorefaggotry was created by satam which is classicfags favorite show
>>576208902it does indeed look like some french house
>>576207536This. Its never worked to begin with. Its a bad habit of comicbook neckbeards who wanna feel smarter than you that the series has now inherited via the western comicfags infiltrating the series.It's just a side effect of western geek fandoms hating and being skeptical of characters people love. There is the insistence of there needing to be some evil or degeneracy that is being hidden that "must be uncovered". If it doesnt exist, then its a flaw and now you have to contrive one to make the attitude valid.This is portrayed as "nuanced" but it misses the point of storytelling.
>>576208254the dark past is ironically a part of it though because he actually undoes and betters it aganist all odds its why hes paired with mephiles because pure light and pure dark are always together, and amy's wrangling works because he actually realizes sonic might not be some kind of evil entity due to her and displays his ethical and heroics concern. whereas with shadow it actually is just because ''maria wanted it and you brought my memory back''maria is forevergone, whereas silver and blaze have the ''we surpass time/space/life/death'' shit. undoing all the dark shit instead of having to live with is part of the ''light'' narrative. shadria and shadouge are dark sonamy, while silvaze is light+gender reversal sonamy based on the fact they reassure that nothing can actually seperate them.silver existing as a light thing is a bad sign but he is also what you need to fix it ''silver lining''
>>576209215classicfags are SegaSonic fags. Not satam fags.
>>576209061>>576209215Not Classic Sonic + never made it to Japan unlike OVA which made success there and everywhere + hardly made waves into fandom unlike Adventure shit onwards with Shadow and 06 nuking the franchise. Love how modernfags get so pissy and appeal to their fave scapegoat always like this. It's as if they know deep down they are the first to blame for everything bad of Sonic.
>>576209215sonic x, sonic adventure, sonic 06 contributed more to shipping than satam did desu. satam and archie cotributed to goonerism more though which is a different thing.
>>576209395>>576209432Stop trying to distance yourself from Satam. I was there in the 2010s when classicfags were begging for everything to be like satam
>>576209667Classicfags were only on Sonic Retro
>>576209667>when classicfags were begging for everything to be like satamNot even what happened at all. These were youtubers dunking on Sonic just because it was cool at the time.
>>576207697No dummy. In the sense that Sonic stays true to himself, lives simply and in flow with his wants and needs and desires and treats every moment like a new adventure.Knuckles is dutybound but that works because he is doing what he wants because he wants to do it.Amy chases Sonic not because she has to but because she wants to do it.Tails wears his tails and interest in tech with pride rather than being ashamed, etc.You autists think way to literally.Sonic X literally has an episode where things start going to shit because people live like Sonic literally rather than figuratively. Sonic is the wind, not a Spiderman costume you wear to be something you aren't and escape yourself. There is already a bit of Sonic in all of us.
This is what the "Classicfags" were making back then btw
Anyone else masturbate to SA1 Amy as a teen by pressing the attack button to make her go WAA and imagine pounding her at every instance of her voice? Just me? Ok
>>576209868Sparky, when are you gonna post your sister nudes?
>>576209215sonic shipping transcends satAM
>>576209874based
>>576209874classic fags are function fags they nut to the idea of another playable sonic with more gameplay options
>>576209874Actually soul and kino unlike anything Shitga output on 2000s for Sonic.
>>576209432It is Classic Sonic, it uses the classic designs and borrows enemy designs and locations from the classic games>hardly made waves into fandomMost of the Sonic fanbase at that time was obsessed with Archie and followed the American Sonic canon
>>576209319(me)>>576208254the harsh violent side is caused by the soft peace/nature loving /affectionate side too which is why he is also extremely ruthless aganist who he deems as evil like what he thought sonic was before amy interferred and because of that side, he couldn't bring himself to finish the job.
>>576210285Yes, the real ones love new characters and new moves like the Homing Attack from what I've seen. Only fake fan posers would say no to new fun movement mechanics
>>576210537>>576209874Advance but actually good.
>>576210621Advance doesn't have Shadow nor a focus on the Homing Attack.
>>576210719>Advance doesn't have [coolest character ever made] nor a focus on [engaging fast paced fun gameplay].Exactly!
>>576207912>So you think Sonic games weren't designed with both low skill gameplay and high skill gameplay in mind?What i think is that your definitions of low vs highskill play do not reflect the design intentions of the game devs or what's actually in the games.>but the reason Sonic games have an end is to make them beatable in a single sitting. This adds a lot of replay value.The reason they have an end is because they are console games you have to purchase, telling a story where the character has a specific goal the player must complete. The devs carried arcade sensibilities into Sonic rather than making Sonic as "an arcade game".>Yes. Sonic games reward high skill play. That's my point.Except it's not really a reward for highskill play so much as a way to help you assure you beat the game by having alternate ways to engage with the game. You can just play the game focused on just beating it, or you can take every opportunity to rack up points and rings so that you can survive the harder challenges later."Highskill players" as you define them arent interacting with this at all. They arent concerned with deaths to begin with.>No? Routing is a key part of beating levels quicker.Dodging.>That's why low skill paths are a thing. Except they arent "low skill paths" because they exist to accommodate low skill players. They are "low skill paths" because low skill players will theoretically end up in them more. They actually have more obstacles than the "high skill paths". Highskill paths are such because it takes higher skill to stay on them not because they are harder.>Also, classic Sonic games give you way more control than 3D Sonic games. In the classics I never felt like I can't control Sonic's movement.Why are you making this 2D vs 3D out of nowhere?>I never said that low skill paths are less fun than high skill pathsI dunno why youre playing dumb. My point is this is the end result of pushing game design that pushes momentum
>>576210349NTA but a case can be made that there was more unity in the fanbase until SA1. SA1 threw out almost a decade of Western(US and UK) canon in an attempt unify the franchise internationally and, right or wrong, that lead to some divisions within the fanbase we are still dealing with today.
>>576209079Just like us.
>>576207912>Sonic is a platformerThe term platformer is a western made term made up in niche gaming magazines that only caught on later on the internet and didnt even reach mainstream use until the 2015s.Sonic wasnt made as a platformer. Nor was Mario for the matter.They were made as Sidescrolling action games.The term platformer has created weird purism arguments people arbitrarily use to try and uplift certain games over others rather than just makong earnest arguments about game design decisions because of the westoid obsession with trying to recreate an arbitrarily dictated platonic ideal that never existed.
Sonic games should feel like Tony Hawk crossed with dbz
>>576210719Yeah, that's what makes it bad
>>576211076>that there was more unity in the fanbase until SA1lmao no there wasn't. US vs "SEGASonic" wars already existed. Wars between the different cartoons also existed.
>>576209881no but i did feel a slight rush in my crotch when one of eggman's robots kidnapped amy and it was grabbing her by the rear of her dress in that one sonic x episode from season one (i think i might have a kink for tearing, and the poor animation made it look like she was receiving a texas wedge)
Sonic games should feel like Crash Bandicoot but faster
>>576211309That's basically what SA1 and SA2 were
>>576211076Archie was the only necessary division we needed cause even back than none of Archie lore was in the gamesAlso the biggest Sonic autists are Archiefags
the president's catgirl daughter
>>576208020>The game does it already. Higher number = better play, so look at what the game is designed to give higher scores for: Rings and time.Then the best way to play is to grind bonus stages, take it slow, then wait to the last second for the last second point bonus.>>576208205Homing attack is less a jank issue and more a skill issue. Instashield just isn't fun to anyone except to a minority of computer nerds who covet exploits rather than just playing with mechanics tactiley.Dashing at an enemy and bouncing off of em is more inherently fun than pressing A half a second earlier to damage a boss a little quicker or defeating orbinauts.
>>576211660>Then the best way to play is to grind bonus stages, take it slow, then wait to the last second for the last second point bonus.No, this is a retarded argument. We're talking about game design, not exploits.
>>576208416You took a post that was about gamers in the 90s forgetting how they weren't as good then as they are now and immediately made it about how shit my and people' today's gaming skills are compared to yours out of nowhere.Typical whiteboy pcbro behavior lol.Next you'll tell me you play TF2 and considered trooning out
Sonic needed more games in this era
>>576211940ironic that you use Jak and dexter as an example since that series is dead
I miss 2024. it was so magical it felt like we were back to the 2000s for a brief moment
>check letterboxd>check sonic movies>most of the reviews are about robotnik's sexuality
>>576212095I'd agree if it wasn't for the fact that we got a lame nostalgiaslop game with the blandest boost gameplay.
>>576211340Genuinely asking, were there really AOSTH/Underground fans in the 90s, and was there enough fans to warrant fandoms wars? I always thought most fans preferred SatAM, which more or less carried over to the Archie comics. Also, in the context of the 90s what is "SEGASonic"?
>>576212210You don't hate fujos enough. Fatherless behavior
>>576209313I liked when Planetary made fun of this "Hero really has dark fucked up history" shit. It's so fucking stupid and tryhard.This is why Sega mandates that Sonic's history can't be investigated. You know some cultural vandal at Sega of America/IDW is chomping at the bit to ruin Sonic.
is there any advance hack with shadow or silver playable? wanted it but couldnt find any.
>>576212249>were there really AOSTH/Underground fans in the 90sYes>and was there enough fans to warrant fandoms wars?Within Sonic specifically? No, we all just liked everything. We were all everythingfags. I dunno what that guy's talking about.
>>576212223And it had no levels from Shadow's game.
>>576208893Sure. Im not saying the game doesnt have arcadey sensibilities. It does. What I am saying is that it has it not as an active design decision by the devs, but instead because thats just how the devs knew how to make games. Mario 1 itself has arcadeyness to it.Sonic carried that spirit forward, as did Sega/Sonic Team later on because they still viewed bringing arcade level experiences to the home as the big thing to push and it fit their sensibilities, but alsp because Arcades were more about encouraging you to play the game in ways that facilitated an experience. Its why NiGHTs has the ranking system for example. It facilitates the llayer getting lost flying around paralooping and getting lost in the fantasy of flying around in a dream.The Classics adapted these mechanics moreso around things that facilitated just beating the game and that "felt or seemed cool" and guided the player towards level gimicks or terrain that lead to hype moments and aura.>>576209140See above. The way it is used in the classics in general doesnt suggest this. At least not in the way people.here are insisting.
there has to be a way for a sonic game to invoke the 2000s tone without feeling like its just regressing for nostalgia
Computer nerds wanna have fun and win doing it.Normies wanna win the game and have fun doing it
>>576212249>Also, in the context of the 90s what is "SEGASonic"?It's what oldfags called Japanese Sonic. SEGASonic was used as a brand name for some things in Japan.
>>576212738I mean it's just a matter of content, right? We don't tackled those same themes anymore. Just write some shonen slop and slap the Sonic cast in there and you're good to go.
>>576211940Sonic unironically got the most games during that era.Don't ever forget that Jak 3 was Neil Druckmann's first game at Naughty Dog
>>576212738Easy. Bring back the music genres from the 2000s games, make the stories action-packed and cinematic, and use the Adventure formula of gameplay instead of the boost formula
>>576212545Advance hacking is getting bigger lately o give it some more time.
>>576213076and with all that we got Sonic Forces...Sonic team don't know how to make good games anymore
>>576209319>paired with mephilesWho is, you guessed it. Shadow's Shadow. Not Sonic's.Silver was made to make another Shadow. Not another Sonic.
>>576209874Before the anti-moderners took over the discourse.
>>576213207Forces would've been good if the levels were longer, if there were multiple playable characters, and if the writing wasn't goofy and jokey.Frontiers was a letdown for me and that's why I didn't;t even get the game
hey shut the fuck uplook at this fat guy
>>576212954I understand that, but like what did SEGASonic mean? I imagine that Japanese Sonic stuff was pretty hard for many international fans to come by and engage with outside of Japan during the 90s (at least much harder than today), and that stuff was available was probably pretty niche even for the otakus and weaboos of the era, outside of maybe like OVA.
>>576210002For the last time, Im not Sparky. Im nothing like him. Not everyone who talks about Sonic philo is the same person.
>>576213662They translated manuals and leaked documents and interviews and had pics of merch like we do today. Including things that we have since lost or don't know the source of anymore.>I understand that, but like what did SEGASonic mean? Idk. I think I've sen people explain it as just a copyright thing SEGA had to do in Japan but idk if that's real.
>>576210537Correct. Anti-modernfags dont care about Classic gameplay. Just their percieved pure reputation. They are 90s brandshitters wearing their skin to dunk on modern fags.
>>57621356106 positions Silver as Sonic-like(Elise thinks Sonic is Silver when she first sees him) and and Mephiles as Shadow-like
>>576211940It's interesting how both Jak 1 and Sly 1 started out as being like every other mascot platformer at the time but while Sly 2 transformed itself by actually honing in on it's themes and inspirations, Jak 2 said fuck let's turn it into a GTA shooter because that was popular. To be fair I believe Naughty Dog didn't really want to make a Jak sequel but Sony had big faith in the IP and big enough audience to continue the series
>>576201357Gens Classic stages are very fun, I go back to them equally as much as the modern stages Superstars is hit or miss, but those hits really hitI sold my copy of Forces like within the week of it coming out, i remember nothing
It was ME Sonic! I WAS THE ONE WHO BURNED DOWN ARCHIE'S DOCUMENTS SO PENDERS COULD WIN HIS LAWSUIT!
>>576213984Silver/Sonic and Mephiles/Shadow have similar personalities. Silver/Sonic both have a strong sense of justice and selfless compassion for others. Mephiles/Shadow are both goal-oriented and ruthless but the thing is that Silver (temporarily) and Mephiles were both the bad guys of the game while Sonic and Shadow were the good guys. I like these kinds of character motifs
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>>576213905Indeed, this is a conclusion I reached recently too
>>576214227I just realized Scourge doesn't even exist in Ken Penders's alternate future
>>576211076Blaming SA1 for that makes no sense though.SoA was completely incapable of making any games for Sonic themselves that met the caliber of the japanese games. If they weren't gonna follow through, they shouldn't have covered up the canon to begin with.Sonic Team even played ball. They actually incorporated Robotnik since the Classics era. Its basically blaming the devsbof SA1 for the sins of SoA marketing.
>>576211340Yeah I remember AoStH vs SatAMshit back then. I even remember on here jist 5 years ago SatAMfags who never even watched it claiming no one actually liked AoStH and just pretended to to dunk on Sall-I mean SatAM.
>>576214398Tails is the best!!!
>>576211309>DBZNo>DBSure
>>576214615I'm not a SatAMfag but AoStH barely has actual fans that aren't memefags
>>576213875>They translated manuals and leaked documents and interviews and had pics of merch like we do today. Including things that we have since lost or don't know the source of anymore.Neat, but also kinda unfortunate about the lost stuff.Did they see SEGASonic stuff just all Sonic things from Japan, or was it things specifically from SoJ?
>>576214758Sex with Mina in a thunderstorm while a datacenter burns in the background.
>>576211447No. Thats what boostshit basically is.
>>576213905Are they really Modernfags when they either like or dislike each Sonic game regardless of era?The Modernfag term has never made sense to me unless those who dislike all of Classic Sonic entirely
>>576155564>seƱor starfish headI pray that one day I can read Sonic (or any character's) dialogue and not want to clean my shoe with his face
Naked Sonic
>>576214710He is!
>>576214943>>576214943>>576214943
>>576211765This isn't a real argument though. You're just dismissing anything that counters your narrative as exploits.Im not saying exploits dont exist bout you have to do legwork defining what does and doesnt count as one rather than it just being "whatever facilitates my position".
>>576214889It never made sense to you because it doesn't make sense. It's a stupid division created by trolls to make Sonic communities inhospitable and scare SEGA from making games.
>>576213984you replied to the wrong person
>>576211940No, this series was a trend chasing mess, carried by being technologically inpressive when it came out and nothing else. The series did nothing innovative or special.
>>576161027>>576161372People still trying to give Sage aura is really funny when you really think about it. After the trailers and her first in-game cutscene she is a legitimate bum
>>576214208That was ND in general. They were skilled codemonkeys with 0 creative vision just doing whatever was hip at the time.Crash and Jak are slop IPs carried by nostalgia. t.Person with nostalgia for those games
>>576214886Boost is Adventure Sonic gameplay but improved as said by Sonic Team
>>576214208>I believe Naughty Dog didn't really want to make a Jak sequel but Sony had big faith in the IP and big enough audience to continue the seriesNo that's false. They had so much faith in a sequel thry made 101% game completion a sequel bait cliffhanger.They admitted to only pivoting midway through development because they wanted to capitalize on trends since people said the game looks "too kiddy".
>>576212515Yup. Gotta give him some emo origin that "makes him the hero that he is" and gives him "angst" and "struggle" and an "inner darkness he holds back".This shit is why Shadow is liked whether people wanna admit it or not.
>>576212571>Within Sonic specifically? No, we all just liked everything. We were all everythingfags. I dunno what that guy's talking aboutThat's not true lol. You were in a bubble.
>>576215407That's sad
>>576212738People you describe 2000s Sonic as shonen are misremembering the flash animation shit they watched online for actual Sonic shit.Sonic has never actually been a battleshonen. Its been an action adventure series with anime, jrpg and manga themeshit in it. Then Shadow came along and there was more overtime action movie stuff as well.https://youtu.be/kbXIOHFAOOc
>>576213662Segasonic was a branding term originally coined because it was gonna be Sonic's name the way SuperMario is Mario's.
>>576214445Yeah they are just the 90s equivalent of Sony ponies of today. They dont actually care about any of the games. They just made saying their console brand is le better than other people.Imagine doing that shit 30 years later when the company stopped even making consoles. Its really pathetic really.
>>576214816>I'm not a SatAMfag butI dont believe you. People can like something without being autistic about it.>>576214889Modernfag was made up as a pejorative for people who commit the sin of even liking anything post Saturn.Most modern fags like classic or at least respect it. Though admittedly a substantial amount still have a modern-centric view of the series whereas classic-fags view Classic as the core and modern as something that came out of that core.
>>576217015>Though admittedly a substantial amount still have a modern-centric view of the series whereas classic-fags view Classic as the core and modern as something that came out of that core.I view them as the same series with some minor art style differences. I never needed this distinction.
>>576147767I hate all of you because of it.
Sonic games are fun
why does this board hate shipping, such a foundational piece of fandom tradition, so much?
>>576215838I could (and will) say the same to you.
