"Virtual Reality, Real Suffering"Frame Soon EditionHeadset Selection: https://rentry.org/vrgheadsetsGame Recommendations: https://rentry.org/gxrovVRC Screenshots by World: https://vrg.party/worlds.htmlArchive: https://archive.vrg.party/>Game ResourcesAssets: https://vrg.booru.org/Guides for Avatar and World Dev: https://rentry.org/4tzqsAssetto Corsa: https://rentry.org/hrq69VTOL VR: https://rentry.org/5nuk4Minecraft (Dungeon Crawling): https://crawler.vrg.partyFallout 4: https://rentry.org/pofw5Bonelab: https://rentry.org/bonerlabeu>Regularly Hosted Multiplayer GamesMonday - EU Assetto Corsa: 18:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST (every other week)Monday - EU Payday 2: 20:00 CESTMonday - NA Quake Co-op: 8PM ETTuesday - EU Pavlov: 18:00 UTC / 20:00 CESTWednesday - EU VTOL VR: 20:00 UTC (every other week)Wednesday - NA Assetto Corsa: 8PM ETThursday - SEA VRFPS: 8PM JSTThursday - NA Walkabout Minigolf: 10PM ETFriday - EU VRFPS: 18:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST (Game varies, watch the thread)Friday - NA Pavlov: 11PM ET (every other week)Saturday - SEA/EU Walkabout Minigolf: 12:00 UTCSaturday - EU Pavlov: 18:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST>Regularly Hosted VRChat Eventshttps://rentry.org/mxotqvmh>Current Active VRChat Instanceshttps://anchor.vrg.social/New threads: >>>/vg/vrgOld thread: >>580730482>Upcoming EventsIdol Grand Prix - September 19Fashion Event (Adventurer) - September 25Gregg Talk - September 26Race War - October 10
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Are people still actually hyped for the frame? It's so underwhelming
In exactly 12 hours and 12 minutes, nothing will happen.
>>580938630
>>580938780Valvedrones will be valvedrones. So far it just looks like a worse and more expensive version of the Quest 3 that you're paying a high premium to avoid Facebook
>>580938630don't mind if I do
>>580938928Quest 3 with face tracking IR floodlight, and far better comfort.Hoping for better FOV too but have to see later.You're also paying to NOT be in meta's ecosystem which is a plus for a lot of people.
>>580938928>high premium to avoid FacebookSeems like a good deal, Meta loves fucking with its quest users.
>>580938928Exactly. Don't get one. ESPECIALLY if you live near the same warehouse I do.
*revs my car at you*GET OUT OF THE WAY IDIOT
>>580938780It looks like an upgrade to my index, and i refuse to ever buy zucchini so I'm rather optimistic, desu. I'm still going to wait a hot minute to see more reviews when it does eventually drop for real because the 30 year old boomer in me who was utterly fucking traumatized by wireless tech being horrid is honestly still very skeptical of any wireless in-house solutions, and also the loss of lighthouses worries me a little. But if it ends up being better than my fears then it will be an upgrade in every conceivable way in my specific case desu.
>>580939870IM WALKIN HERE!
>>580940176You'll have 2 days to see reviews before needing to decide. Probably. Try to get into the first batch, and ideally you really should have decided already.
>>580941302Why is that
>>580941429Valve will release price and reviews before opening the lotto. Demand is going to be high after that and if you want to wait a month and get one your only option will be scalpers or waiting a year.Personally I thnk the used market might be pretty good after a while; scalpers are going to get owned by the 'I am a valve drone who bough this but I hate VR and regret it' purchases.
Ive decided that If i don't get a kipfel wife to hug and love and headpat and hang out with all the time and headpat and hug and also love soon then I'm going to KILL MYSELF
>>580944802>kipfel wife99% of them are guys so it is more likely you'll an hero.
>>580944802That seems a little extreme anon
>>580944802You're gonna be a good boy for kipfel right anon?
>>580945607Ideal, I hate foids.
>>580938928This post definitely makes sense if you ignore everything else about the frame and are mentally retarded
>>580947382Valve drone spotted
>>580947176I didn't get Kipfel hype till I went to /trash/ needless to say I was wrong go get it Anon
I wrote something up but didnt want to post it.So here's just the image i was gonna post instead.
>>580948521>till I went to /trash/I don't get it. Do I need to go to one of those /trash/ instances to learn about it?
>>580948521I still dont get the hype it's like fucking a pet
>>580948521I don't go to trash or want a kipfel that goes to trash Is it truly over for me?
Kipfels are like cats, if you're attracted to a one I'll assume you're on the same level as furfags
>>580948785No I'm just a gooner>>580948806That's the point and its cute>>580948882It's only over when you give up, you don't need to go there to get one but there is a high chance they are from there
>>580949045Yeah hi I'm a furry and have no sexual attraction to kipfels.
>>580949216>Yeah hi I'm a furryGo back to >>>/trash/
>>580948806I think bro is just getting cuteness aggression (a sign of hi IQ).
REMINDER:Casual SEA mahjong - 24 hours from now
can I run a torrent client on the frame so I don't have to transfer all my porn from my PC first?
>no wireOh so it's literally a downgrade from the index
it's 4 in the fucking morning, why are we getting raided at this hour
>Americans
good gaming
>>580947176Than wish for a kipfel husband the fag in a bottle might have already granted you a future kipfel foid instead.
>>580952216Yooo I recognize that map, man how would I like to play VR zombies with people there.
>>580952640It's a shame that no one here will do the discord linking required to play. But you should come play with us
>>580953304I will, I'm in the discord and I'm always hankering to play it. I just need to know what time and all.
Need SiuSiu wife.
>>580953304I don’t even know what game this is I’m not anti discord at all
>>580954115https://fxtwitter.com/Hpebble_/status/2013703080202907928
>>580953304I once had a pretty decent size group for it a couple months back, haven't gone to check it out in quite some time though.
>>580954419pack-a-punch is working now
Where is it?
>>58095475610am PST, idiot
>>580944802anons progression into madness has been... intense to witness
>>580954756Gabe has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever right now.
>>580949338
>>580952408No no no NOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS
>be me>kipfel boy>want an anon to love and to hug>check thread >anons only want kipfel wife>leave and NEVER come back
volleyball when?
>>5809570458h30 from now
So is nothing happening?
volleyball doko?
>>580957754Lazy Monday
Volleyball waiting area I guesscome chill if anyone wantshttps://vrch.at/fgyevrdfhttps://vrch.at/fgyevrdf
>>580833779>>580957045>>580957948
mmmh 250 MB of occlusion Data
I WANNA PLAY VOLLEYBALL
>>580958643whens next railing?
>>580959017It will be announced on twitter!
>>580959017i wanted to do some testing today. im gonna post it here>>580959248i have taken the feedback into consideration and will not mix instances anymore.
>>580949965please respondI need to know whether to get the 1tb frame or 256gb and extra SSD for my PC
Sorry for the waitSEA Volleyball is up!https://vrch.at/vqg3hcu3https://vrch.at/vqg3hcu3
>>580959831The answer is yes but the frame has an SD Card slot so you're better off using that for porn
>>580959431Sadly i will be working late, i hope im coming home early enough for you not being passed out
Wait why does the frame have storage?
>>580960790It's a standalone headset anon please pay attention
Fashion ClubTheme: AdventurerDate: September 25The Fashion Club is a newly started (hopefully recurring) meet focused on making outfits that aren't the standard casual, sexy, tactical, etc. The goal is to build a wardrobe full of great outfits that are not skimpy(without good reason), follow a theme, and that you'd want to wear anytime and anywhere, including public instances. The given themes will be very vague or broad, allowing club members to freely interpret their design based on a loose idea to prevent uniformity(like bunny suits or tactical gear). Meets are planned for possibly once a month, once every two months, or once a quarter.The theme for this first meet is Adventurer, typically the medieval fantasy type but any interpretation is allowed as long as the first thought by anyone on seeing this outfit is without a doubt "that's an adventurer". Don't forget your weapons, your trinkets, anything you might need on a quest. Bonus points for interactive weapon gimmicks. It does not matter how you made the outfit, if you got an outfit on booth, kitbashed, the final result matters.There is no contest(unless the people want one). Show up, show off, see what others have made, take pictures.Anyone is free to join to show off or spectate, but there is one restriction on the final design:- You must be mostly dressed and show no skimpy features(that means no chainmail bikinis).
EU Assetto Corsa: European Racing clubRace 12718:00 UTC 20:00 CET, 14th of SeptemberUNLIKE THE FRAME, THIS IS DEFINITELY TODAY!Continuing fun cars: Mazda RX-7, WANKEL. At Oulton Park. Afterwards, we're going to AMERICA!60 minute practice12 minutes qualifiers8 laps raceAssetto Corsa Content Manager - a better launcher and mod manager: https://assettocorsa.club/content-manager.html To install mods: just drag and drop zip files from mega onto the Content Manager windows and click on the hamburger menu on top right. Install stable custom shader patch and 7-zip plugin in Content manager.For communication we'll use mumble at voice.vrg.party port 64738, as it doesn't need any registrations or logins.https://www.mumble.info/MODS: https://mega.nz/folder/WiATSZKT#x4gRpXrR480P4ftj1sMw6w
>>580954501that was the last time I did it I think, when it first got added.
>>580961210I'm now glad the dev is doing week long play tests now instead of the weekend play test. It was so annoying since I was busy on the weekends.
>>580960825Oh, that sounds awful.
>>580961492week long if you are a patreon
>>580961589Yeah don't get one, it's doa. Valve spent so long making it that it went from being mid on release to outdated on release then they did a double shot of not actually bothering to write any software for it until last minute so its all buggy garbage
>>580961669Yea ik that, but I ain't go the money to support kek
>>580961589It's an awful device
>>580960884can i know who the host is?
>>580962423It's Jim
>>580962423Its joe
buying a frame for $600
>>580959967new instancehttps://vrch.at/df7hey6khttps://vrch.at/df7hey6k
buying a frame for $1200
It's gonna be 999 and picobros are gonna have a meltdown as to why the $2500 headset is still superior and you should wait some more
wired pcvr is all the same isnt it?ill settle for a quest 3
>>580961898sorry to hear that brokey
>>580962423It's anon.
>>580962423It's Moot
>>580962423it's me
>>580960884What time? NA? EU? SEA?
>>580964716Last time I asked, it was supposed to be "NA evening hours"What time that roughly means, I'm not 100% sure but hopefully we shall see if there's a more concrete time to plan around for the other timezones to plan around as it gets closer.
>>580962895Going by the rumor that it's going to FEEL like Index full kit price, I don't think it's going to be $999. Adjusting for inflation, $999 in 2019 is going to be $1300 in 2026, so my bet it's $1200 or $1249.
absurd pricing for what it is
>>580965327it's not meta so it's okay
>>580965327You do not hate Sam Altman enough. And choking the life out of him would not be enough.
>>580962895ain't no way it's $999.
>>580965104>>580965813It's not going to be more expensive than the Steam Machine, it'll either be within that price range, or a little bit cheaper for the 256GB (cheapest) option, versus The Machines 512GB (cheapest) option. And everyone else has said the same thing, the majority of hardware and features are similar to the Quest 3, a 3 year old headset, that makes it 3 year old hardware.
>>580963054If the steam frame isn't powerful enough as a standalone might as well use your PC to do the heavy lifting and use another headset if the steam frame costs as much as a mid tier gaming PC unless you got more money to burn.
>>580959967good volley ballers
>>580965327Look how much unsubsidized Quest 3 (business version), Quest Pro, Pico 4, Pico 4 Enterprise cost. Subsidized version litterally price dump, and hope to recoup on closed garden sales. That's why they are locked down consoles and not devices you fully own. Steam Frame is fully unlocked device you'll own. And the price is similar to business, unlocked versions of other headsets.
So basically the frame is a GPU and two screens that you slap on your head. 1 hour battery AT MOST lol
Begone tourist.
>>580968523>noo stinky 4channers who want to talk about vr aren't welcome here in this 4chan vr thread
>>580968472>1 hour battery AT MOSTHow the fuck did battery time get worse?
>>580969101He's just making shit up because he hasn't been paying attention to VR headsets since 2019 and has no idea that everything is standalone now. Anyway; the real battery lfe we'll find out from reviews. Valve clams it's like 2-3 hours standalone, and 3-4 streaming but I will only trust real numbers.
what happens when you turn your head while charging and playing and the usb breaks?does valve repair stuff like this or are you out of a headset?what if they advise not to charge while using and so dont cover it
>>580969523don't play with the leash simple as
>>580969523Valve will RMA this. Don't get one though; it's a DOA headset that only retards buy.
>>580969609Arf!
>>580969708you don't have to protect your queue spot THAT hard
>>580970036True. Literally zero people are going to pay the ridiculous price for a quest sidegrade in 2026.
>>580969523if you're really that worried get one of those magnetic cables. i use my q3 tethered to the charger and have had 0 issues
>>580970134I think a bigger issue is what is even coming out that would make others flood into getting a steam frame? Half-Life Alyx 2? I don't think the hype is there anymore.
>>580938557HELLO THREADGREGG TALKSEPTEMBER 26THEU 19:00 UTCNA 9:00 PM ESTWATCH VIDEO FOR MORE INFORMATION ON HOW THIS SHIT WORKShttps://youtu.be/k13QM_mgSpgDM craiglomaniac TO SIGN UP (apolocheese again if I am slow to reply)ALSO THIS IS THE VIDEO I MENTIONED IN THE VIDEOhttps://youtu.be/Iwpi1Lm6dFo?si=jBq5kCPUIyNnES5e
>>580971646Valve specifically promised NO new VR titles. I think there's a steam vr sale today though, but people are going to see there's no new games and that pcvr is dead. The frame is funny; it's coming out when PCVR is just toast.
>>580969523It just breaks and you're fucked waiting for Valve RMA. And the cable routing is kinda AWFULL for charging while playing
Real AI Fishing is coming along well
>TWO HOURS BATTERY LIFE HAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA
>>5809733962 hours battery life for $700. Who'd buy this nonsense?
>>580971759>The frame is funny; it's coming out when PCVR is just toast.PCVR is literally goku healing right now. Vibe coded VR Mods are launching so fast I can't notice them all. Every few days its "oh heres another one of your formative childhood hobby experiences in VR, btw I'm not a programmer". It's also all genres and all camera/perspective types and even games of antiquity are prey as long as its on PC. You can play pokemon red in VR, something I wouldn't even imagine people would try to do. AI makes the process so accessible and low effort there's basically no meaningful scarcity.
>>580973612>$700if only
>>580971753Please don't post your trash event in blue board
>>580973612700 id buy it for tetherless vr gooning. As much as I hate mixed tracking that price is pretty peak
Haha wouldnt it be super funny if every single gremlin in vrg installed the lifting gimmick and became abuse goblins haha as a joke lol
>>580973953You can do tetherless vr gooning for $400 with a quest 3
>>580973987>Zucc'dNo thanks
The Big Walk VR mod guy is working on Titanfall 2https://fxtwitter.com/CircuitLord/status/2099439087299989761
>>580974271Crazy
>>580969523>>580970198>if you're really that worried get one of those magnetic cables. i use my q3 tethered to the charger and have had 0 issuesI would be careful with this. I spent weeks autistically researching magnetic chargers because I got tired of plugging my quest in. There's no certified magnetic charger for USB. USB is also difficult and not designed to make a magnetic connection where nothing bad can possibly happen. Found instances of people showing their fried laptops. There's both painfully stupid connector designs and ones that look fine, but I'm not an expert. Some people claiming to be experts came forward and said not to buy this shit, but I can't tell if they were axe grinding autists or not. Anyway I just wouldn't use it on a $1000+ device myself. I wish valve gave the frame the steam controller's magnetic system or made that enthusiast headstrap with hotswappable batteries. A magnetic charger would also be great for devs that would repeatedly stand up and sit back down.
How about zucc get off his ass and make a quest 4 that's better than the frame so meta shills make sense instead of shilling a dated headset.
>>580965327Nah it's short of absurd, even with the component crisis you are getting something generally better than the index in almost every way and the price is the same. It's also better than the quest 3 in almost every way for PCVR, valve rounded the headset instead of making the panels better. Really the shame is the headset is too good to have basic bitch panels like that now.
>>580973961using a nemesis like an onahole...
>>580974901sir, this is the blue board
>>580965515AI is saving VR before it destroys the economy and the human race. VR was dying and not coming back, and now AI has made community work both powerful and abundant. I wouldn't make frame $200 or even $300 cheaper in exchange for deleting AI created VR Mods from existence. I don't even think I would take a frame for free having way less things to play on it.
>>580974943The nemesis I want to use goes to blue board instances.
>>580965104>>580965813I have no doubt valve would raise the price and go back on "less than index". But I get this feeling they wouldn't save that information for order announcement day. The obvious thing to do was back during their updates about the crisis and delays they could've retracted the "less than index" claim, not saying its more expensive than index now, just say they are no longer sure enough to stick to that claim. It's really unprofessional to go back on a aspirational promise, a date, a price, a feature, anything, and not mention the problem when you have the clear opportunity to do so. That's about as crazy as getting to release date just to announce you are postponing the release date.
>>580973953>2 hours are enough for gooningI hate zoomera and their fucked attentionspan.
Ayo wuz we frame?
what are u guys doing rn
Frame more like lame
>>580974271VR MULTIPLAYER LOBBIES WHENMY 200HRS WITH THE EPG WILL WRECK YOUR ASSES
Frame doko?
>>580976060eating some baked beans on toast right now, pretty cash money i say
>>5809762182 hours 15 minutes
>>580973396thats with a factory new battery fresh out of the boxgive it a few months of use and warmth from laying down and its gonna be grim
the less I talk with my friends, the more my internal model of them devolves into a cute gremlin that needs headpatspls help
steam frame will be <800
Steam frame will be 900 min, likely 1200
>>580931032Just search for coom zone
1000 Dollar for a 2 hour battery headset that probably breaks my neck i say NO THANK YOU
>>5809782371000 Dollars for a mind blowing 2 hour experience of a technological master piece that can be recharged>No this is bad! :(1000 Dollar experience of sex with a std ridden single use whore from bangkok>Ahh Yes! finally a worthwhile use of my money! :)
>>580978665>1000 Dollar experience of sex with a std ridden single use whore from bangkok>anons stupid analogy doesnt even align with market prices
>>580974901>>580975378rape all nemesis users
>so many fucking newfag/tourist/bait posts from people who have genuinely clearly never used a VR headset before>actually talking about fucking battery life on a headset where you can purposefully infinitely swap and charge the batteriesYup it's gotta be releasing today.
>>580979115when's the last time you had a bangkok whore? shit's expensive now.
>>580979668>purposefully infinitely swap and charge the batteriesYou missed the news anon.. they cancelled that headstrap. Which sucks ass because I wanted one. I think there will be third party hotswappable ones though.
>>580979621>Find nemesis/illusion the least sexy>it's the one literally everyone uses for their main avatar, if they choose to use a gremlinFuck my life
>>580979778>You missed the news anon.. they cancelled that headstrap.As I said, so many fucking newfag/tourist/bait posts.If you aren't baiting then literally what the fuck are you even possibly referring to?
>>580979829Nemesis users are starting to migrate to Melvii
>>580975378Hint?
>>580979917Anon, that battery doesn't come off without turning the headset off...
Nemesis posting is just femlala posting
>>580979778>>580979991You people are retarded newfags, please stop spreading misinformation.
>>580980050My nemesis looks like and acts like this.
>>580979917you cannot swap the batteries unless you swap out the entire headstrap and interface assembly which they do not sell individuallyscrewing the thing apart and changing the battery does not qualify as a swappable battery>>580980269cancelled months ago you based retard
>>580980269That's the strap they cancelled anon. They removed backend references to it; that leak comes from FCC documents posted back in like... june or something. It was corroborated by steam api backend info also talking about the enthusiast strap, but a month or so ago they removed it.
>>580980269>hot-swappable batteriesWhy would I want to touch overheated batteries, what kind of selling point is this?
>>580980381>>580980405>cancelled months ago>these leaks only came out 3 months agoShh.Stop talking.Wait a few hours to be proven wrong.
>>580980449It came with an ejection toggle so you don't have to touch it>>580980495lmao sure okay, valve just deletes all references to the enthusiast strap and it hadn't turned up in any pictures, review leaks or ANYTHING. I think it might still come later but not on launch.
>>580980495
>>580980495if it was real it would have been included in the linus unboxing leakim sorry you had to find out this way
Realistically I'm sure Valve gave up on the battery pack idea and figured a third party solution will come out fast enough for it to not be an issue.
I think this is the final 2 weeks bros
i think its the final 2 weeks before the 2 week announcement bros
>>580980887Yeah the thing is it was also likely to come with index speakers too
>>580980968That will also probably be fixed soon enough, I expect the third party market to be really solid for the frame
twenty minutes until two more weeks?
>>580981109No I believe it's an hour and 20 minutes since Machine launched at 1pm ET
>8 years later, wanting to upgrade my index>frame is worse than the index for some inexplicable reasont-thanks valve...
Honestly the enthusiast strap hope isn't completely dead; there's still a missing 1017 that was registered in korea. 1015 is the frame, and the controllers are 13 and 14.
TWO MORE SECONDS
>>580981341it wasnt in the unboxing leak, it is not going to be around at launch and its so far gone that it has not been mentioned to reviewersits not gonna happen because by that time 3rd party straps are already going to have filled up the niche
>>580981775Theres also a shipment specifically of headset straps; but yeah I think while it probably still exists (not cancelled) it's not coming with launch.
10 MINUTES BROS!!! 10 MINUTES!!!
>>580982096it's in an hour, nigger
>>580982096Read you retarded ape
>>580982279*two weeks sorry typo
>>580979668Sorry i rather have a cable than a battery
>>580982370>>580982279chillax mamasitas i meant 10 minutes until my pizza arrives
>>580982527Did you know it come with a port that accepts a cable
>>580982527You can still plug your leash in to your battery if you want to bait-kun
>>580982576your pizza will be late and cold
I am a consumer. I want something that JUST WORKS. what i dont want is:>fiddling around with pairing and resetting steam VR>fiddling around with batteries, potentially unscrew things>spending hours and hours researchibg problems>running out of batteries at inopportune timesIs that so hard to understand?
I keep seeing all of this nemesis posting
Today.
>>580982890I wish I saw kipfels posting desu
Bros...
>>580983026>steam sabers have native controller smoothingokay this makes it worth it
>>580983132fake
>>580983132Kinda doesn't work if you drop it 1 hour before it actually comes out. You have to drop it last monday at 1003
>>580982875Nothing made since at the latest 2006 "just works"
>>580983132lying shit
>>580979928Are there actually nemesis users? I always see people switch into it for a second for a joke/gremlin pile
>>580983512I have one but don't really use her anymore.
>>580983512Join poker...
Holy FUCK i wish there were more mamehinata
>>580983512Poker is full of them and it's so fucking sexy when they all start touching each other...
It was first revealed that Valve started working on the Frame in around January of 2021.So if we take January 1st as the start date and September 14th as the "release date" (or whenever lottery opens a few days later as the technical release date)Then these past two weeks have lasted roughly around 2,082 days, which is around 69 months (nice), which is close to 6 years.
>>580982769N-no not like this anon was right, my pizza it is late and cold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2U_V45Z_c
(Still no poemposting this week because working on idol)Volleyball at 21:00CEST (in ~2h40), followed by Mahjong 1h later at 22:CEST (in ~3h40). Please note that now there's a 120ms ping limit for volleyball joiners, if you are above the limit you can still join and spectate
>>580984408zuckcucks in SHAMBLES
>>580984827>p2wITS NOT FAAAIR
NOTHING. WILL. HAPPEN.
>>580985652IT'S HAPPENING
would anyone be interested in a karaoke instance (NA) this evening?
>>580985840He did not see a Steam Frame because it isn't there. This anon is delusional. Take him to the infirmary.
Remember this moment. You will be telling anons where you were when the steam frame came out.
>>580984408If you're going to do a tracking comparison you should try to make the conditions identical. Seems like a glaring flaw to hold one controller and not the other.
>>580985998>$699? Not great, not terrible.
>>580986293Yeah I don't get this kind of jitter on Q3 and I don't use a gunstock. He's probably using Steam Link on both devices.
Nothing ever happens
Dawn of the Final Hour24 Minutes Remaining
>>580986202>daddy daddy, tell me the story of where were you when a perfectly ordinary mid tier headset dropped, i want to hear it againindex was big happening, frame is going to be forgotten hard unless they take advantage of builtin chip and actually build some software for it>and stop calling me daddy anon, you're older than i am
256GB: $9491TB: $1149
I'm still buying the Steam Frame
>>580986410I get a ton of shaking that throws off my aim at times but I can't differentiate tracking jitter from my own natural hand trembling because Pavlov has so little motion smoothing that it picks it all up.His comparison is backwards to shill his gunstock obviously but unless Steam Frame players are trained in telekinetics they're not going to be playing Pavlov with one controller unheld so I'd like to see a better comparison.
>>580986359>Sir... this price tracker only records up to 699...
>>580986928even if true, I expected worse
>>580987546same desuwas pretty much sure it was going to be $1150 base or something triple digit pricing for the base model is a welcome surprise
It's not up but it's power supply brick ishttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4978480/Steam_Hardware_Power_Supply_Unit/
>>580960884Does cosplay count?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4978460/Steam_Frame_Accessory_Replacement_Kit/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4978440/Steam_Frame_Ergonomic_Accessories_Kit/
>>580987714>fixed non-replaceable cableEbin.
>>580987924Holy jews
>>580988019Wtf the price went up since august
>>580987924$50 for two cushions
>>580988019extremely grim...
well shit, it's happening, price shows up in search bar now
UK PRICE 889 GBPhttps://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=_ASC&force_infinite=1&hwtype=0&category1=993&supportedlang=english&snr=1_7_7_230_7&page=1
>>580988074Still $59 for America
>>580988116THATS NOT THREE FUCKING DIGITS WHAT THE FUCK
$1059
>>580987924>>>>>>$50.00 USD FOR TWO SMALL FOAM CUSHIONS>>>>>>>>>>>>$SIXTY WHOLE FUCKING DOLLARS FOR SOME VELCRO STRAPS
Grim.Three digit rumors were possibly wrong if that's base model price.
>>580988141>1049€
Fuck this noise I'm getting a bigshit 2
it's grim
>>580987924>>580988297price for ergonomic accessories kit here is higher than USD conversion + VATjewish cunts
i fucking hate valve
>>580988372I look forward to your post complaining about it
>1609 AUD>99 AUD for the ergonomic accessory kitFUCKING JEWS
>$1059
>>580988560>they're charging you $60 for it to come with the cushionLMAO
Ergo kit is basically a necessity so that really puts the price at $1120ishOof.
>>580988465oh but the actual steam frame price isn't too bad, it's $1200 here which is less than $1059 + VATI can live with that
So is it still a lottery or what?
>1.5k leafexpected>price of a AAA title for fucking strapsfuck off
>>580988653I'll just wait two weeks for a better chink strap to come out.
>>580988653So everyone knows, don't try to play VR without a top strap and knuckle straps. Per dollar of cost they are the most valuable items on the headset. But get $30 ones on amazon later if you want
>they don't remember when vive used to sell audio straps for $150
ONE NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
>>580988748>>580988707>power supply not included???
>>580988707>$240 for not even 1TB of extra storagethey're joking or what>power supply not includedthat's good
>Select a model below to sign up. Eligible customers may sign up for one model only.erm... is this different from how the machine worked? for that one you could sign up to all the models if you wanted to
>>580988826these have no hardware in them they're $3 of plastic and fabric
If I never intend to use the built in mode and just stream PCVR, I have zero need of storage right? Seems dumb to pay an extra $250 almost
>>580988748does 1TB come with the power supply or the ergo kit as standard? surely they're not jewing that hard?
you don't need the power supply you retards, it's usb-c, use the same cable you use to charge your phone
>>580989013it doesnt lol
>>580989073Ideally something like the same cable you charge your laptop with would be much better.
>two weeks have passedwas it worth the weight?
SIGNUPS ARE UP
kek
>>580989013Nope only difference is just the storage size.
1TB for 250€ seems pointless when you can just use the SD card slot>>580989073>use the same cable you use to charge your phoneThis.I'll use the same charger that I use for my T480
>>580989184good goy
>Can only choose one lotto to enterchoose wisely
>>580988886oh this is gay, you can't increase your chances by opting for both, it's one or the other
Gonna wait for actual reviews instead of these payed shills
>use a flimsy cable to indefinitely play with your headset instead of a more proper connectionI'm going to be worried about yanking that fucking piece of shit clean in half leaving the connective metal bit in its socket
It'll be huge to have as many games as possible on the Frame itself, I'm definitely going for the 1TB model. Poorcucks please stay in your lane.
>>580989340it wouldn't increase your chances because everyone would be doing it if that was possible
finally, two weeks have passed
scalping my 256gb for £1300 on releasesigned up with 20 accounts
1TB is the early access version because you know it's gonna be available.
Does that mean selecting the 1TB model gives you better chances because you're not in the poorfag list?
one of the things i dont think ive seen anyone yap about here is the dual channel radiohaving two channels one for video and one for audio seems like a no brainer in hindsight
>>580989549depends on how many 1TBs they have available, it could be substantially lower than the 256GBs
>>580989080>>580989221yeah it just showed up for me tooso it's more than a price of 2TB SSD for 756GB of storage and NOTHING else? that's wild, even the Machine had some extraswhat exactly is the usecase for the larger storage? I just can't think of anything that wouldn't work with an SD card instead, surely people don't play THAT many standalone VR games at a time? I know I won't
I can't believe two weeks is finally here....
>>580989417Remember it's a phone SOC. The games it can run are really small.
Zucc is fucking laughing so hard from his chinese penthouse.
>>580989624local porn
Color passthrough add-on featured on the store page itself. $149
>>580989553its one radio for the VR connection, so that's video audio input and tracking. The other radio is for internet
>>580989624>surely people don't play THAT many standalone VR games at a time?are there even enough standalone vr games you can install to fill it up with it?
Real AI Fishing in about 30 minutes but this time with a twist - everyone is welcome! Standalone or VR, up to 8 players. More details soon.
>>580989809oh nevermind im a retarded faggot who cant read
So, what's the point of the face deck at this price point if you already have a Quest 3?
>>580989921there genuinely isn't one
>>580989747yeah that was my reason for wanting to get 1TB but some anon reminded me that for porn you can just an SD card >>580989786>$149that's actually pretty cheap, it has some nice hardware and people were speculating it might be $300+
>>580989921uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
So now that we know the price and before we get flooded with the inevitable newfags coming and asking"Quest 3 or Steam Frame?"Without sounding like a shilling apeflinging monkey for either headset and batting for which billion dollar company you're trying to defend, what do you say to them?
>mfw I came as steam frame releasedyou're welcome
Wow, $1100 and I have to pay the import and shipping tax to my turd worldWhen's the Quest 4?
>>580989921>foveated streaming>eye trackingand if your a schizo>no metajust ignore how you can have 2/3 things with a DIY solution that is totally safe.
>>580989921Not using zucked hardware. >>580989992>Without sounding like a shilling apeflinging monkeyAh fuck.
the piece of velcro costs 59£thats 80 usdexcuse me?
>>580989786Okay so 1050 + Headstrap and controllers for 70 + Zenni lenses for 50 + 200 for a nonshit Wifi7 router and I don't know how much for portable batteries.FUCK!
>>580990009>When's the Quest 4?a few more months
So where's the swappable battery and enhanced audio kitM
>>580989921There's improvements everywhere but the panels and haptics, but the price for a sidegraded panel hurts.I got one for you though. Check what games you can run co-op with two headsets, either both standalone or one standalone and one PCVR
>>580989747Unless you want that porn on the go, streaming the files from a network device with more storage is a better use of money. VR porn takes up way too much space unless you start manually trimming everything down to the good parts.
>>580990161They canceled that anon...
>>580990161Inexplicably missing from launch.I didn't expect the audio thing to be there but not selling replacement batteries is ????????
>>580990247the battery is non replaceable so why would they sell replacement batteries?
>hmm bro you've gotta spend 300 in accessories to fix your quest 3 ur an idiot lmao
>>580989992It's literally down to how much money you have and how available these headsets will be. If you're just going to be on a waitlist having a headset is better than not having one. However quest 3 has a big list of frustrating factors
>>580990321what do you mean non replaceable?it's in the back of the headset and the back of the headset detach off from the front of the headset
man i don't regret my quest 3 purchase now
There's no good reason to get the 1TB?
>>580990394
>>580990492VR games, VR porn, standalone flat2VR gaming, linux machine stuff.
>>580990492If you want to play actual standalone stuff or if you're a stupid gooner that plays 30gb rips of JAV erryday.
Slop consumed. I am ready to play VR chat for 2 days before getting bored!Also signed up with 10 alt steam accounts I had around.
>Half Life Alyx will not be available at launch>A native version will "ship to customers soon"LMAOOODEI valve too busy working on deadcock
gonna watch Testeds review and see if the fomo returns
yeah let me just replace my battery real q-
Good luck with the lottery
>>580990694they should shift more resources to deadlock VR has been lost to tranny groomers on vrchat
>>580990583>>580990623But for a better price/storage couldn't you use an SD card later on if you really needed that extra storage?
>>580990694>announce it a year ago>don't release until now because software clearly wasn't ready>software still isn't readywhat were they thinking? at this point it would've been better to release with alpha quality software, at least it would've been before altman cucked the world
>>580990694where is that stated? FAQ says you'll get it immediately
>>580990862For videos sure but SD Card are slow as fuck for games.
>>580990840>implying I can even afford it
>>580990928thats the PC version. not ARM
Anon expecting it to be under 1k btfo.It was never going to be less than 1k post Altman.Honestly, it's actually less than I expected. But if you buy the accessories kit, which is mandatory, and something like insert lenses, that might go up to like 1188. Maybe add in tax and shipping, let's say 1200 easy. Which kind of gets to what I expected the price to maybe be.
>>580990973it's less than 1k in britbong moneycheckmate
Wait so i cant play all games because its a PHONE PROCESSOR?
>>580989992If they have to ask, it's probably Quest 3. I don't think the Frame specs justify nearly double the Quest 3 price for most people.If you don't care about the cost at all though, Frame is the better headset.
>>580991053Britbongistan is not a real place
>>580991143You'd be surprised at what phones are capable of these days anon.
>>580991143It has an x86 translation layer and also a Quest/Android XR compat layer.
>>580991143phone hardware can do some crazy shit now desuthis fuckin thing can run some bigger titles, I've seen someone play GTA V on it
im sooooooooo uspet they tried competing with the quest, instead of just making a good pcvr headsetall that money going on overpriced gimmicky mobile phone gaming hardware and memory instead of just giving us a headset with a display port....this suuucccckkkkkssssssssss
>>580991503thiswe could've dodged the RAM, storage and CPU pricing cartels and just had an Index 2 for this price and had a significantly better headset
>>580991503being a standalone headset is what makes good wireless streaming, AKA being a good PCVR headset, possible though
Considering it's running an arch based OS and could be viewed as a micro computer strapped on your face, the 1TB does sound appealing
>>580991503truth nuke.me right now
>>580989436to be honest I thought that was how you could stack the deckI may be stupid
I can't wait for nintendo to come up with some Quest 2 spec headset for 500 and everyone is gonna praise them as being VR innovators.
>>580991503Yeah this except completely unironically (and for real.)
Guess no more 2 weeks, good luck with the raffle
>>580991143You can play all games.Doesn't mean you should expect high fps on newer released titles.But you would be shocked at how good the phone in your pocket is at emulating some titles made in the past decade with high framerates.>>580991740You're never going to believe this.
>>580991634isnt there somebody you forgot to ask?typing in VR is pain.
>>5809918382 more weeks is deadnow it's X more weeks until your turn in the queue
>>580990116you shouldn't need the router
GN latency comparison
>>580991906>he can't touch typeLmao
>>580991503If they at least didn't drag their feet we would have had it come out in 2024 and not be fucked by memory prices. It being compressed, laggy, and with FBT drifting is lame and gay. Its really the end of VR given that they won't even release a new game to go with it.
>>580992002Unplayableliterally fucking unplayable
>>580991984grim
>>580991634>micro computer strapped on your facePeople keep saying this but it's like they never tried doing productivity on a quest 3, is it usable? Sure, but the resolution is too low for it to be comfortable enough.I have used it as a screen to watch shows and anime, but if I had to choose between it and a 10" tablet, I am choosing the tablet.
Watching ltt review now and gamers nexus right afterAny other review videos worth watching?
>>580992002Plus the battery life one
We need new slurs for people who fell for the frame scam.>phone processor>framelet>framecuck
>>580992002wireless apologist bros?...
>>580991984>Screen door effect in 2026I get toning down RAM and storage because of costs, but why the fuck are the panels so bad.
>>580991984oops wrong imageunlock your color DLC for $150
>>580992343Add more noise and make it lower res to be accurate
https://youtu.be/C9JyWAVj94E?t=484>microphone downgradeYikes
>>580992209holy fucking shit that's unbelievably bleak.If the battery is that bad, then they should have given it a more proper and durable dongle than fucking usb-c
ITT: poorfag cope
>>580991984just left the waiting list fuck that
>>580992518how is it so fucking bad
even hyped linus says it has no wow factor>it feels last genoh god... oh no... this review is brutalhahahahahahhaahhawhat the fuck
So how much were you prepared to pay, and how much are you going to end up paying(or not paying if it ended up above your cut off)?My absolute maximum was $1600 if I was getting 1TB AND it came with some extras. But since 1TB is such insanely shit value over 256GB I'm getting that instead for $1210(with VAT included) + ergo kit for $75(unless aftermarket replacements are out when it actually goes up for order), so overall not too bad.
>>580992404sure thing man
>>580992576They are already working on a hot swappable battery extension. It was referenced in the FCC documents
>they're surprised that reference Goertek design with custom controllers has all the problems of reference Goertek design
>>580992754Was prepared to pay $1200 so I guess it's ok.
>>580992754zero, because >>580991984and the mic is worse than a fucking q3 lol >>580992518
>>580992209That's the battery life of my Quest 2 after thousands of hours. I rotate between 2 powerbanks just to play
So does this mean that SteamVR on linux got its big update and is usable? I want to stop using Monado.
does it run vrchat
>>580992209HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
According to the GN video:>An enthusiast headstrap kit will be launching in a few months with Index style headphones and a hotswappable battery. This will be an add-on kit, not another Frame SKU, so the kit will only include the accessories.
>>580992913>I want to stop using Monado.Why?
>>580992913Linux isn't even usable lol
>>580992754$800
>>580992209>80 minutes PCVR streamingBRUH>>580992225Latency is fine
>>580992754Was prepared to pay this price and I'm going to pay the price.Get me off HorizonOS hell.
>>580992518This guy says that he gets about 118 degrees field of view, which is pretty massive. So at least there's that
>>580992938Yeah but it only runs the android build properly if you want standalone
>>580992879to be honest I'm not that interested in grooming kids over vrchat so the mic is of limited interest to me.
>>580992518>not even audio jackHoly fucking kek.
Yea with the failure of the steam frame vr is dead
TOLD YOU GUYS IT WAS A FOMO PSYOPI KNEW ITNONE OF THESE REVIEWERS ARE IMPRESSED
>>580993036No playspace boundary, screenshots, have to restart it if I forgot to turn on controllers, wayvr is fucked up and has the wrong aspect ratio on my machine, doesn't work with some games like Hitman, no community bindings, no resolution changing on the fly.
>>580992518Wtf? How? I thought it was literally the EXACT SAME microphones as the Index?
>>580992754I was a doomer about hardware prices so I had $2k earmarked for it.
>>580993186but can it run the pc version at a mild potato level?
>>580992518>>580992605It sounds like a software issue. The devs who showed off the Frame months ago had no issue with mic quality
Is the battery life that bad?Never had wireless VR headset before and been tethered for 8 years
I'm literally never going to fucking replace my fucking index, am I?
is this some kind of sick joke
>>580993332Anon, it's the exact same microphones every standalone headset uses because they come as part of the design from Chinese factory.
>>580993389It does seem slightly lower than Q3 which already isnt great.If you want you can either plug in and theoretically that should have no issues charging the battery and let you playing forever, or get a battery you put in your pocket and run up to batteries headset and hotswap those.
>>580992518I don't see how this is a problem.You can buy a third party wireless mic and velcro it on.For color passthrough they sell an official accessorySpeakers+hot swappable battery are coming with the enthusiast headstrapThey sell knuckle style straps for the controllersYou can get another tracker and attach that for syncing FBTIf you aren't poor you can afford all of that and attach it to the Frame with no problem.
So when's the swan coming out again...?
>>580993389if you were planning on using it standalone at all, the battery life is completely unuseable yes
>>580986761I didn't say buy, I said release. Of course you don't buy this trash
>>580992754i was willing to pay $1200, but there is just not enough value there for me to jump at the gun as an early adopter of itjust to get the same features my Q3 has with color pass though i need to pay 2x the price of a Q3 NEW.and thats also ignoring the other things like ergos and controller grips for sweat etc etcall so i am forced to use steamvr which is... kinda shitty compared to VDs link interface
>>580993551You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>580992991>An enthusiast headstrap kit will be launching in a few months with Index style headphones and a hotswappable battery. This will be an add-on kit, not another Frame SKU, so the kit will only include the accessories.that will be another $200 + tip, thanks gaben.wtf is valve doing, this headset should've released 2024.
>>580993625>unuseablejust like any standalone headset then
What hardware faults can we expect this time? Index had notorious controller problems so we can't trust Valve QA. Quests have had their charging port meltdown so we know standalone isn't safe.
>>580993598when you aren't poor you buy bsb2 or dream air and get much better quality than this shit
Did anybody confirm wired play like a link cable
>doesnt actually have anything going for it besides head comfortgod damn it, i cant even buy the controllers and use them on another system
>>580993910>bsb2lmaooooooooooooooo
And to think I was finally going to replace my index...
god i wish i had lighthouses and controllers to buy a bsb2 over this
>>580994191IF YOU ARENT POOR YOU COULD BUY ALL OF IT
https://roadtovr.com/bigscreen-beyond-2-price-drop-halo-mount/
>>580994191you'd be complaining about all the shit garbage you'd have to deal with with that device instead and then lament about how you spent all that money on outdated technology.
>>580993910Dream air requires : New face gasket, New microphone, and a new headstrap. I put probably close to 200 extra into the $2000 price tag to make it as good as it is for me.You can half that to get the SE (lol) if you want to compare that, but I imagine it'd feel worse cause the screens aren't peak like they are on the non-SE
I'm on waitlist for steam frame, money really ain't an issue for me but is Quest 3 better in any way? I'm not planning on running anything directly on the VR headset itself (was gonna stream PC to do modded Skyrim VR etc.) should I just get a quest 3 instead?
>>580991993For casual shit the dongle will be enough but not for high throughput streaming.
My index controller and cable are starting to die so it doesn't sound that bad to get the frame considering it's about the same price as an index
that's it, i'm taking the picopill
>>580994282well i am kinda poor and it's all discontinued tech now and this is apparently the future of vr..
*looks at my Rift S*(In robovoice) Fuck you, we are going to suffer together a few more years
>>580994371yes.realistically you are not losing out on anything important (besides ERP immersion) from not having eye tracking
>>580994581who the fuck still has a rift S ?
>>580994480>years old 30mb indie games on front page for the headsetyeah vr is dead end tech lolpico4 shall serve me until it explodes and takes my head with it because i said something bad about china
>>580994709Me
>>580994371>is Quest 3 better in any way?No not really, only in the sense of being a way better deal/much more bang for your buck.Frame is technically the better headset in just about every way though. If money isn't an issue for you then you should go for Frame.
>>580992209>Literally wouldn't get through an NA anime night without the headset dying >Can't even hotswap the battery AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Fuck it I'm gonna use my CV1 again instead
>>580994624>>580994770 Thanks, does foveated rendering just werk? Or is it something that has to be designed for each game to actually use it? Thought it would be a game changer for running crazy looking games and preserving high refresh rates
>mfw I shitpost the frame to discourage other buyers and increase my chances of winning
>>580994772Use a pocket battery and hotswap that.Or just take one of those stupid Bobo VR adapter things and velcro it on to the back of the Frame battery (although then you deal with the extra weight)
>>580994480this bundle would have been 20 bucks a month ago through humble bundle or somethingno one is buying these games for 30 percent off
>>580994848Each game needs it. I imagine that it'll become more common though, No Man's Sky got it.
>>580994848Foveated rendering has to be designed for each game to use.Steam Frame uses foveated streaming. This doesn't necessarily help with preserving high refresh rates but helps for preserving high bitrate to where you're looking so streaming artifacts and such should be minimal.
>>580994848on Q3 it doesnt have eye tracking so no foveatedon frame it (should) just werkQ pro, which does have eye tracking, it just werks if you turn it on in VDits really not a game changer in the grand scheme of things
>>580994872You're not going to win. You haven't even gotten a Tenhou in mahjong.
>>580994480there is a parallel universe out there somewhere where all the devs that killed vr by putting hardware over software were dragged out behind a barn and had their heads blown off and vr is prospering
>>580994848Foveated streaming does, but foveated rendering requires the game to implement it and many don't.
>>580994982...?
>more expensive than quest>worse than questHAHAHAHAHALOOOOOOLLMFAOOOOOGODFUCKLOOGLOGLOFLGOLOHGLOHJDFKG
>>580995035I recently bought a new headset. I cannot lose.
Just bought another quest pro, next meta headset will be some XR glass with no controllers.
>>580995081$150 goy
>>580995081guessing this is passthrough quality on the add-on camera module. You can see frame controllers in the background.
Fuck you, I'll make my own headset.
>>580995171>>580995216Oh okay. I thought you just wanted to show us a freezed screencap of his kid on his watch for some weird reason.Damn that's pretty good.
>>580995081He's using the $150 add-on for most of the video.
Assetto Corsa Server starting up!server name:VRG EU Racing Clubpassword: 6969For communication we'll use mumble at voice.vrg.party port 64738, as it doesn't need any registrations or logins.https://www.mumble.info/MODS: https://mega.nz/folder/WiATSZKT#x4gRpXrR480P4ftj1sMw6w
linus is even bashing the controllersthis is seriously a disaster
>>580994894>It's gonna be another "you need $300 in accessories to make it work" scenario like the q3AUGHHHH
wait so the Frame runs on LINUX?????>using linux infront of vrfu>vrfu says "alright qt, lets toggle on sps~">start furiously trying to type with steam vr keyboard in terminal to install wine>Errors out of the ass>the bull is already ready and preparing to fuck my vrfu>start to sweat, lenses become foggy>install DPS>"uhm... what the fuck is THAT anon?" the vrfu asks me>I tell her its DPS and can do everything that SPS does and its FREE!>"okay qt... now use the penetrator to put it into my socket" the vrfu says>I fucking break down and cry and leave the instance>getting blocked on discord after that
but but I thought the frame was supposed to save VR
why didnt they just make a version that doesnt have being a linux computer as a gimmick, so it could be purely for pcvr. imagine the price difference
what the fuck is the point
cant believe i started falling for the hype im such a fucking retard
>>580994894You can't just velcro it on the back because the Frame is balanced front and back
I'm glad it's over. We can move on now.
alright with the frame dissapointment i just went to tundralabs and bought a bunch of parts for the index. gonna create the index of theseus
>pay premium price>still have to be tangled up in cables for audio and power banks like youre using some diy slop
>>580995689Because the processor needs to be there for video decoding anyway so might as well
My face right now
Finally
Why would you ever buy anything besides a Quest 3?
>>580995689This was designed in 2021 and basically finished in 2023. They were competing with the Quest 3 and eventually decided to shelve it because the market was dead once Meta stopped pumping billions into VR.
Steam Frame more like Steam Fucked!Index the best headset of all time!Looks like I'm holding onto my Quest 3 until the Pico Swan comes out.
Looks like quest 3 + paper trackers is still peak VR.
can we go back to gremlinposting now?
>>580996137Waiting for frame 2 so I can finally replace my index then. No I will not fucking buy zuccshit.
>>580995689because trannies are obsessed with muh STANDALONE for reasons i cannot understandthey want to turn the headset into a self contained console with known hardware specs for devs to develop standalone games on.they want the steam machine to be the PC gaming and general browsing side, while the frame is to be the console gaming side where you put it on and just hit play.
Now that the dust has settled. Did something happen?
does valve hardware ever go on sale? ever?
>>580995874Move on to what? There are no big VR hardware releases on the horizon now. Even Meta is moving away from headsets in favor of AR with their Project Phoenix bullshit
>>580995689You need a computer to stream 4k. Try streaming your PC with moonlight on a shitty phone.
2 more weeks...
>>580996294no
>>580996327Death.
>>580996327>Move on to what?To the grave anon.
ALMOST A FUCKING DECADEYOU WOULD FUCKING THINKIT WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE INDEXBUTITSAFUCKINGDOWNGRADE A LITERAL FUCKING DOWNGRADE IS A LITERAL FUCKING DOWNGRADE OF ANCIENT TECH HOW DOES VALVE FUCKING MANAGE THIS FUCKING NIGGERY
>>580996492Which part is the downgrade?
>>580996551MicrophoneSpeakersTrackingPrice
>>580996327No, the pico space pro is the next big one. Then it's nothing, basically. Maybe a quest 4? but after that that's it. These are the very last headsets that will be made.
>>580996583$250 cheaper than a base steam frame.
>>580996693I'd like to think we had a good run
>>580996327They still intend to launch a new Quest late next year. I would expect to see a preview of that at the Connect event Sep 23-24.
>>580996492Over a thousand dollars and you don't even get base stations with it...
>>580996234Why did you stop?
I don't understand the hate towards lcd panelsI had a CV1 (oled) and an Index (lcd) and found then index to have less issues related to the panel technology like the mura effect that made blacks garbage on CV1
GAY GOBLIN GOT FUCKED KEKMAO
>>580991503Same. This is really underwhelming for the price. It's not entirely their fault, but that doesn't change that it's not what anyone wanted. Normies will always go for the quest because it's cheaper. The index was the enthusiast option. Yet they've released a quest competitor, at the enthusiast price point. The fuck were they thinking.Guess I'll get a bigmeme instead once my index starts dying.
>>580996897because we thought something happened before we realized nothing happened
>>580996864It’s not a new quest, it’s going to be a slimmed down quest pro with 90 degrees field of view designed for watching movies and sports
So? Whatever happened to these things?
>>580996583Missing arguably the most important part, the wifi 6e router.Sadly you'll want half of that stuff for a Frame too. Remember people buying painters poles for mounting lighthouse tracking or USB cards just to get the CV1 to stop shitting itself? VR has always had hidden extra costs.
>>580996987I mean yeah but we knew all this in november
>>580996672I unironically don't care about any of that.
>>580997150yeah it's just a meme anyway. The frame will need a power bank at least. Although it does seem like the hotswappable battery index style strap is coming but just down the road.
>>580996137Zucced pahjeet software
>>580997234Then what do you care about?
>>580997116>fell for another vr accessory vaporware award
>>580996137Because the modding scene with Frame will be leagues ahead of Q3
>>580996693>These are the very last headsets that will be madeThe market for flight sim and gear and direct drive wheels is far smaller than VR. At worst headsets will just be slower to come out and more expensive. Most of your VR gaming will be mods of flat games. VR is here forever
>>580996327>>580996431>>580996440>>580996693This but unironically. If the Frame doesn't sell well and revitalize the VR game industry, then I think that's the end for us. /vrg/ lobbies are VR will still probably be kept alive as a shambling corpse for VRChat gooners to fuck each other with, but the era of actual VR games will be over if the Frame fails.
>>580997116this stuff takes so long to release, sloptubers are already doing retrospectives on them months before they even begin to ship hahaha
>>580997116
I guess I'll keep on pypying with an index forever.
>>580997234price was honestly never a concern. If price was ever a concern for you, you're in the wrong hobby. It's perfectly acceptable to spend a lot of money on a GOOD HEADSET.
has there ever been an updated version of this almost 9 years old comparison pic?Since we always compare headset for their base price but not if you want to fix their quirks or use fullbody/face/eyes tracking
>>580997490>Still the same SteamVR interface.Holy shit will it be tough to use, imagine being stuck on that as the base experience.
>>580997490Imagine the radiation exposure
how many millions do i need to donate and what company do i need to donate it to if i want to bankroll a vrchat-focused social headset
>>580997403The Frame will not do well. It is extremely telling they delayed it 6+ months then released it quietly with no fanfare with 4 year old obsolete technology in it.Everyone will see the Frame flop and it's already regarded as a weird niche coomer toy and not any actual medium for games. This will be the final bullet in the head.
>>580997403The frame will sell out but the market will continue to stagnate anyways. 98% of the headset purchases are for vrchat and that isn't going to change.
>>580997352Screen.Wireless.Controllers.Standalone computer.
>>580997662big meme beyond
>>580997651what
>>580997759So you want a Macbook Pro with a Steam Controller?
>>580997272I'm hoping bobo makes a strap that works with their existing batteries.
so uh is the eye tracking mod even worth it for the quest 3? FBT is considerably cheaper over that thing.
>>580997902Router + Dongle + Fluxpose magnetic beacon
inb4 hotswappable index style strap brings the overall weight to be around the same as index
>>580997065They have more than one project. They were very clear early this year that they were prioritizing making a Vision Pro competitor AND a new VR gaming headsets as two distinct projects while backing away from investing in 1st party game development.
>>580996234
>>580997605its called vrcompare dot com
>>580997472This isn't a retrospective it's just a look at long-term usage to see where the pain points are. Honestly having this before you buy something is one of the best things you can ask for with reviews. First impressions are always more rosy than the reality.
HL2VR creator comment on the frame
>>580997985Been thinking about getting this since it's pretty cheap and doubt I'll have the patience to do save eye modding myselfhttps://www.papertrackershop.com/en/products/paper_tracker-face-eye-tracking-kithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1kNSviBE2k
>>580997996It's awesomeI'm going to get superpowers
So Deckard when?
>>580997403You're being too grim. The asian market is still growing; I think we'll see a lot more chinese headsets, and maybe even a few jap/korean ones. The west however, has fallen.
>>580997903No, because they would be MacOS and unable to play VR games.
>>580997150Why do you still need a dedicated router? I thought the dongle would eliminate the need for one
>>580998154It does compare headset specs, but not the end price when you add trackers, base stations on headsets that don't ship with them, wifi to run pcvr, etc
>>580997528when are you stepping on me
>>580998229>it is my daily driverThat's basically saying it's the best headset.
>>580998553You don't need it, but it has the ability to use it as a backup route to the computer.
>>580998553It does. You can optionally use a router as well for a dual-link setup but not at all necessary.
>>580998553dedicated for the quest not the frame. I'll get a 6E router probably just so there's one less thing to plug into my computer
>>580998276it looks nice, but its too much for me imo for just face/eye tracking. IMU trackers are an huge change in comparison, but the facial expression is also important.
>>580998718you forgot the "again"
>>580998802kek you guys don't know shit if you think a 5W usb dongle is gonna be enough to feed a high bandwidth stream
>>580998959what makes you think it's 5W?
>>580998959it's USB3 anon it can use more than 5W
>>580999027check your mobo specsi'm fairly certain it caps out at 5V 2A on most
your crown, my liege.
>>580998959Yeah, there's literally no known way to put video through a USB port in the current decade.
>>580999221call me when they make a wireless addon
>>580999221What were they thinking? You have a really nice streamlined VR headset and you ruin it with all that junk.
>>580998746no its not you fucking retard
>>580999189Anon that's 10 watts..Anyway it doesn't need to have much signal strength like a proper home router does, bandwidth is fine over usb 3.1, so 5W of RF emissions (plus losses) is fine to reach... like 2-5 metres away. Its the "My family's router is downstairs and is wifi 5 and is behind concrete" option.
Visible chromatic aberration is already a no-go for me. I refunded games instantly for not letting me turn that off, I sure as fuck wont put on a VR headset with that.
Meta Connect please save me from Valve!
>>580999364Then why isn't he using the better headset
>>580999603>why is the HL2VR, a volvo fanboy, using a non volvo headsetwow you know when you lay it out i feel silly.go spend your money.
anyone else miss the days when all we had were the cv1/htc vive and we were content? and then when the index finally came out it was the most exciting thing ever?we are never going to experience that again. everything is a sidegrade if not straight up worse than the index (no wireless doesnt count it will always be a meme)
Real AI Fishing NOW! Unironically. Grab the 0.1.2 for your platform fromhttps://github.com/jebot-git/raifslop/releases/tag/v0.1.2and point it to server45.147.228.101 at port 24567And import your VRM avatar if you want. Has all the tracking support you want, 8 player limit.
>>580999931nigga what, do you have any screenshots of this
>>580999801oh you're retarded, fair enough. Makes sense now.
>>580999931Oh fuck forgot about this still have some work to finish up.
>>580999317bsb3e slammer with compute puck cause lighthoude is dead
>>581000016
>>580999827Essentially every Rift owner considered the Index controllers a downgrade.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/vr-hardware/valve-had-next-gen-vr-headsets-ready-three-four-years-ago-and-they-were-big-bulky-devices-but-went-back-to-the-drawing-board-after-actually-putting-them-on/FUCK YOU VALVEGIVE US THE REAL DECKARD
>>580998276>cables sticking out in front of the face padYou're kidding me right?
>>580998857>I'll get a 6E router probably just so there's one less thing to plug into my computerMeasured wireless latency is worse than the Quest 3 unless you're using the adapter >>580992002.
As someone with an index, how will fbt work with a steam frame?I already have vive trackers and 3 2.0 base stations
>>581001010It seems highly likely that you could mod a comfier place for the cables to rest with a dremel.
>>581001118One more tracker attached to the frame itself and use continuous calibration and it'll just work. Probably I dunno how many frames do you think I have
>>581001118For now, same way it does on Quest, with Playspace Calibrator. However see >>580997490we will have native soon-ish predicted early next year thanks to component shortages.
>>581001118you'll be a unicorn until fluxpose, then a unicorn with fluxpose
sad again
>>580984725Volleyball https://vrch.at/drbvhd92
oh no. oh no no no no no no
>>581001934People don't play vr for more than 30 minutes anyway because they get motion sick
>>581001802lol owned again
>>581001802
>>581001934Not an issue if you have rechargeable batteries to hot swap with and a fast charger
>>581001934>your vrfu dumps you because you only last 1 hour and 15 minutes
>>581002171Where?
>>581002171>pay for an expensive wireless headset>still mandatory to be leashed up at all times>now I have to pay for my own leash as well
>>581001934the human eye cant see longer than 1 hour anyway
>>581002297>>581002808Nvm I thought it was controller batteries life
it's not even usb3
>>581000336Shimakaze my wife
>>581003163you will be plugged into power 24/7 so you wont be able to use it for data anyways kek
>>581002909Yeah the Frame has very poor battery life. Two wifi connections has to be a factor. Also that Snapdragon chip just must not be as efficient as the Quest 3 one.
>>581003163have fun spending hours transferring over your movies
So when are the bobovr headstraps coming out for the frame with hotswap batteries and an extra 300g to add to the weight?
i feel scammed for even getting excited
>wireless headset with bluetooth 5.3 and wifi 7>using usb to transfer files???
>>580996107I'm so used to the right>left format of the original image that this just looks fucked
Easy, just plug the microSD card into your microSD->SD adapter, and then plug that into your SD->USB adapter and plug that into your computer, surely they make some that are USB3.2 compatible nowadays.
>>581003345>transferring moviesNobody has space for all that, just stream it
>>581003345put that shit on a MicroSD and just plug it in bro
>>581003538Yeah literally just transfer them over the network, stream them or download them directly on the Frame, it's a fucking linux machine man, your options are endless
>>581003538Literally thisI really don't understand some people. What the fuck is even going into their brain
>>581000773Very curious about why
>>580996234mrow
>>581003714behold
So since the steam frame is complete shit, what should I buy that is meta, samsung, apple, or google?
>>581004990pico swan
>>581004990All the other headsets are worse.I wish I was joking.
>>580996234sure thing anon
>>580993175Frame has the most fov since index in a usable headset and no one cares typical vrg
>>581005194sexing you
>>581005314the guy testing that had a flat asian face. not even valve advertises a fov that high because it's not a representative result
>>581001010get a third party gasket with removeable cushions and stick them underneath
Fuck it, I'll make my own headset using Raspberry Pi
>>580949045Objectively wrong but I think you already know that on some level
>>581005776Use the Interstellar C61 and hook it up to a smartphone chip. A Pi strong enough to run the screen would run you like $500. You have NOT checked the price of the higher end Pis recently and I can tell.
Still debating on whether I should sign for the 256GB or 1TB list...
>the steam frame is a quest 3 at 2x the price with a worse microphone and battery>the bsb2e has garbage build quality and is as likely to be nonfunctional and explode in your face as it is to be a mediocre, overpriced headset that "works">the quest 3's software is constantly fighting you from actually using the headset for the things you want to use>the quest pro is a bloated, old version of the quest 3 that only stays in the running by virtue of being the only real headset with face trackingvery grim lineup
>>581006074The money difference is 2 months of drinking
>>581000016It's broken on many levels but for single afternoon slop project it's already a working game with somewhat working multiplayer and RVRF mechanics. With week of sloppan it will be ready by next monday.
>it also takes longer to charge because fuck you
>>581003538>>581004096source on being able to transfer files wirelessly to it?tested complained about it in the end of their review stating it being a hassle to transfer files over and there being a lack of media apps to watch things with>>581004070its not an open source fully fledged pc, its a proprietary and locked down mobile power vr headset that happens to be based upon linuxeverything you want to do needs to be permitted and exposed by valve
>>581006183It really should not be taking 10-15W from the wall; that's not usb power delivery. If that's what the device is doing; either the PD chip they're using is not doing its job or there's a bottleneck somewhere else in the charging system they just goofed on in a "Just add PD and it'll work bro" and then never tested it. Or it worked but it made the battery too hot or something
>>581006159more like 2 years for non-alcoholics
>>581001828Oh. My. Fucking. God. I did not even know I needed this. Imagine licking and sniffing those delicious succulent pits right as Kipfel goes to set the ball
>release a $1100 headset>white admitting you are never developing another VR gametruly amazing
>>581006317>source on being able to transfer files wirelessly to it?OH MY FUCKING GOD IT'S A COMPUTER WITH WIFIREVIEWERS ARE DOGSHIT RETARDED
VR IS DEAD. EMBRACE DESKTOP
>>581006317>source on being able to transfer files wirelessly to it?If you watched the reviews that show steamOS you can see dolphin being used as a file explorer since it's using KDE and in the end it's literally an arm computer running linux that happens to be strapped to your face
>>581006457its a locked down vr headset, not a computertested wouldnt have complained about it in their official review if it was that simple
>>581006627>its a locked down vr headsetBRRRINCORRECTREVIEWERS ARE DOGSHIT RETARDED
>>581004518Comfort and battery life are the reasons I remember hearing.
>>581006317>source on being able to transfer files wirelessly to it?the absolute state of techlets
>>581006183charging being capped at 10w would imply that it's literally impossible to keep the frame powered while on wire, there's something wrong with this test
>>581006690we've been over this, if a vr headset with a mobile cpu is a fully fledged computer than any smart phone qualifies as one as wellyou cant even get access to the cameras for proper eye tracking on this proprietary headset
>>581006864BRRR INCORRECT YOU ARE SHOWING SIGNS OF BEING A VIDEO GAME JOURNALIST CEASE USING OXYGEN IMMEDIATELY
IGN reporting the original price was going to be $750.Doubled the price to try to grab normies (standalone)Normies will never spend that much on a headset (see apple vision)Fuck you Gaben
>can connect a keyboard>can open terminal>lockedIs this anon's view off portable devices limited to android/iphone?
>>581007026
>>581006864>muh mobile cpustop talking about things you don't understand lolit being an "mobile cpu" just means software needs to be compiled for arm or run through emulationit's a linux computer with a terminallinux has literally all hardware available as files you can read directly from
>>581005991Can you, as a mortal, even get a development board for the newest Snapdragon?
>>581006317>source on being able to transfer files wirelessly to it?How can you be this tech-illiterate?Even on my super locked-down Quest I can just use wget, or scp, or an http/ftp server to transfer files. Put it into developer mode and it works via adb as well.
>>581007216Eh don't use the latest; just start a company and get an older one. You put in a request as a hardware dev company for an older one and so long as you pay like $10k for a kit they'll ship you one.
fellow index sissies with duct-taped together headsets... what are we going to do now....
>>581007295anon id like to remind you that KDE connect existsi too need to sideload it still.
My vrfu is depressed and doesn't want to get on vr anymore because of the frame fiasco...
>>581007676The frameasco
This is one of the big differences between quest and frameQuest is a closed android while frame is open archJust look at ukraine is using steam decks for its war
>Where do you think VR?
>>581007991hearty kek
GABE WE LITERALLY HOUSE YOUR SUPERYACHT AND GAVE YOU A SECRET BUNKER (probably)Why do you hate NZ?
>>581008056He moved to Florida sorry.
>You have joined the list for Steam Frame 1TB Kithow long do i have to wait?
>>581007516Buy a second roll of duct tape.
>>581008185two weeks
>>581008185They tell you in the email, Marzipan
I will get a frame in a few months off some retarded boomer or normalfag that used it once or twice for half the price off or more, just like my Index and Qpro
face-tracking module when
>>581006864It's not a PC because it doesn't have an IBM-compatible BIOS or a UEFI-compliant ROM. The real distinction is, does the device belong to you, or did you just pay to use a device that is really owned by some company?This mostly depends on if you have root access to the device or not.If you root a Meta Quest and Meta detects it, they will lock your account's access to the device, which effectively bricks you headset because you need a meta account to do anything with it.If you can root the Frame and read raw data from the hardware etc. without the manufacturer putting up artificial hurdles or fucking you over like Meta, then I'd classify it as a user-owned device.
marzipan like.. marzitan? or no relation
>>581008056
>>581008450It's rootable. I thnk you can even just load stuff into the bootloader.
>>581008560It's made by Linux. I think you can do whatever you want with it.
>>581004990>So since the steam frame is complete shit, what should I buy that is meta, samsung, apple, or google?Wait until next weeks Meta Connect, so we can continue our endless suffering.
>>580993486Can't replace perfection
>>581004990I'm waiting on Pico Swan, and if that doesn't seem appealing I'll just bite the bullet with a Q3 + face tracking.
>>580984725Mahjong https://vrch.at/25htjf09
I think I'll get the 1TB even if I mainly do PCVR because 256GB will most likely feel limited when using it like a power userKnowing linux, caches and compatibility stuff can easily eat up spaceIf I check my desktop's main drive usage it's already at 200GB with steam in the 115GB while only having a couple of games installed that aren't even that big in file size
>>581009138My logic was more like this:Valve likely made more 256GB ones.People are poor and retardedScalpers will go for the 256GB preferentially because it is more likely to sellSo 1TB.
>>581001010Just place it under your detachable face pad so it doesn't get in the way, the normal face pad is awful anyways so go upgrade that while you can
So we're waiting for the next big headset release?2 more weeks?
>>581007341If you want it to be any good at standalone, especially x86 Windows games through 2 translation layers, you want the lastest and greatest. But then you'd also want an XR Snapdragon because it has dedicated cores for cameras and tracking to take off the load from the CPU. On the other hand, if you just want it to be for wireless PCVR, you can get by with a low end (but still preferably a new one for the latest graphics decoder) chip and like 4 gigs of RAM.I guess another possibility for standalone would be one of thoss Intel/AMD chips for handheld PCs.
does the frame actually do anything better than the index other than comfort? or should i just get a used index? i don't mind needing the base stations, i'd play stuff sitting down 90% of the time anywayfrom what i've seen from gn>cameras are abysmal, that'll be another 157€ for the color one>don't forget the fucking head and controller straps for 69€>you can't use this thing wired? what the fuck? that's useless to meare the controllers at least as good as the index ones when it comes to finger tracking?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phxlqsw2WGQanton is shitting on it
>>581008391Babble has preorder up for frame version. No clue if it's compatible with the RGB addon though.
>>581009945Frame swaps the wired connection to your computer for a wireless one. The computer still does the heavy lifting. You also have the option for the frame to handle lighter weight tasks without your pc.
>>581010235it uses the usb port
>>581010247i know you can have it do wifi + adapter but i'd still rather use it wired
>>581010389Yes but we don't know how they are actually mounting the thing to the HMD, if it's like quest that's from the top the addon will collide with it.
>>580992207props to gamers nexus, seeing them side-by-side with Linus really shows they do serious reviews instead of just acting as paid shills
Why do people complain about camera passthrough? I barely used mine on indexIt's a really niche feature
>>581010751As an Index main that has used a Q2 and QPro, passthrough is very underrated and useful in a lot of situations.
Okay, everyone who was holding out I want to see your headsets in their current state of disrepair.I want to see some duct tape and zip ties
>>581010892What do you use it for?
>>581010751because the cost of a monochrome vs color camera is the same and it makes no sense for valve to take a step backwards.
>>580997392yepthe fact that 80% of the hardware is the same as in phones makes it a no-brainer for a few companies to keep serving the niche, and slop-coded VR mods ensure a steady stream of new content.
>>581010936my q2 has cum on it
>>580992207Tested review I think was better than GN.
>>581009945>>581010521Steam Link supports wired for other headsets now, so I assume it'll work for the Frame as well.If you specifically want a wired headset though, I'd just get something else.
>>581004518>shape is worse (Rift was an exceptional high bar in that regard though)>more expensive>build quality is worse>analog sticks failed in a few weeks on early models>track pad is useless>finger tracking barely works and is worse than a grip button>Rift battery life was 50+ hours on a single AA and could be swapped in seconds
>>581010952not taking your headset off to drink piss
>>581011157Okay you need color for that?
>>581011214how am i supposed to enjoy piss if i cant see the color of it
>>581011214how else do you know its piss
>>581010952Grabbing things, walking around/out of your playspace, using your PC, using your phone, looking around your playspace. I would use it all the time.>>581011214If you mean specifically color, there is just no reason for it not to be a color camera, it's 2026.
>>581010952When I put the headset on it's passthrough + floating UI to connect to PC.When I'm connected via VD it's my floating desktop window with passthrough and surprisingly I spend quite a non negligent amount of time with passthrough enabled. I'd say around 20-30mins a day and that's just because I don't want to take the headset off just to type a message to someone or look up something online.
>>581011354>If you mean specifically color, there is just no reason for it not to be a color camera, it's 2026.It's cheaper and by filtering he wavelength you get more sensitive diodes for better tracking input.
>>581010952I've done cooking in passthrough while watching a movie. Or following a recipe video. Using my hands to interact with the desktop.
How to rape your lenses in one afternoon lel. I'm 100% getting protection inserts. Not making the same mistake as with my quest.
After watching GN's part on meta's privacy policy, I'm never buying a quest
>>580997193Was kind of hoping the price would be worth while. It is not I knew the Altman tax would hurt that, but it really needed to be cheaper if it has any hope of competing with the quests at all. They don't seem to really know who this is aiming for.
>>581011697Why don't you get prescription lenses instead? What the fuck is this shit? How are you scraping the glass off with your eyeballs?
>>580995441>>580995441Thank you for joining! Something grippier next time!
>>581011782>competing with the questsYou're in the complete wrong mindset. This isn't competing with the quest. Put on your quest right now. What game store loads up?
>>581011689>cooking in passthroughah yes i love steam in my electronics
>>581010952I used the meta "measurements" app to hang a bunch of pictures on a big open wallit was better than a laser leveler is IRLbecause you can just occlude the "laser" and it doesn't matter, unlike IRL.it also tells you direct heights and had a sorta grid overlay. (frankly the grid should be way better and have options for increments and different measurements) but it was freeI use passthru to pissgo to fridgesometimes just browse etci like it
>>581011864I really need to get assetto corsa and my steering wheel working in linux...
>>581011852No one with working eyeballs would think about getting protection insert lenses unless they first fucked up a headset. That's just what happens when you strap tight to get the best FOV.
>>581011514The cost would be negligible even if they threw a dedicated video camera on the front of the damn headset.
>>581011973That's cool, but black and white will do. If it doesn't, there's literally a color passthrough module you can buy for the frame that gives super high quality color passthrough
I wouldn't even consider getting a headset that doesn't have pass-through. Not being able to play TotF in mixed-reality mode would be a huge health hazard, I'd end up breaking my hand by punching a wall sooner or later.Color I suppose would be a must-have if you're going to use this as a spatial computing thing like the AVP, but just as a safety feature for games I don't mind monochrome, maybe even prefer it.
>>581011973>sometimes just browsedo you not use VD or the steamvr overlay?
>>581012042The color passthrough module is like 180 bux dude, you want a 1200 256GB frame?
>>581012081yea i will probably be getting the passthru modulefor playing slay the spire in bed>>581012167I do use VDyou can use passthru with VD, that's like the main way i use it
>>581000773That's a lie and you know it. We liked them. Finger tracking was the new fbt. It made you the "cool kid" I liked the oculus controllers, but the index ones while bigger and not nearly as ergonomic, but the finger tracking was fun
>>581011102>I'd just get something else.what though? i'm not *completely* opposed to the frame, if the screens' specs are good (i know jack shit about vr other than how the index was actually really good bfyb at the time both as a package and for the actual screens) for the price i'll probably get it and hope they'll make a module for a wired connection (isn't the main usb-c port actually 2.0?)my main concerns are>is the finger tracking (+ regular controller tracking in general) on the controllers as good as the index's?>can you do full body tracking like you could with the index + a bunch of extra shit? i'm assuming no not really
>>581010936My Q2 is barely holding on how do I even know if it has a swollen battery? I'm going to die from the explosion at this rate
>>581012448They're good 2023 screens. They're woefully behind the times in 2026.What you need to ask is what do you want from a VR headset. What do you WANT to do with it. Then you can find out which one to buy
>>581011852The eyelashes
>>581004518Index finger tracking made vrchat gestures harder to properly use since they often don't register you fingers properly and that's why I preferred CV1 touch controllersThat issue is mostly on peace sign and rock n rollAlso I had rock n roll do ok hand or middle finger and I miss that
>>581012215That a 3rd-party company managed to make a high-fidelity XR camera and space mapper add-on for a niche headset that is released in limited supply and charge ONLY $150 should be evidence enough of what I'm saying. That is including ALL of the overhead associated with developing the module, marketing it, running the company, manufacturing the module, developing the two apps to run the camera, etc. $150. That's insane.Do you think the Quest Pro has a $150 module hidden inside of it for color passthrough? It's likely a tenth of that.
>>581012367Most of the Rift owners said the button based gestures were better because they reliably activated. The finger tracking destroyed the natural use of gesture based facial expressions because it never worked.
>>581004990psvr2
>>581012367Finger tracking barely works to this day.
I had set aside $800 for this, bummer I'll have to wait another month to even fit it into my budget now.Maybe it's for the best, I'll see if there's a good deal on ebay.
>>581009945No, it doesn't. It's a sidegrade at best. But without steam vr compatibility because they wanted to compete with the quest with a more expensive headset so you can play flagship games
>>581011697It's time
>>581012827yeah no you dont get to >just attachment brobecause once that can of worms is opened up whats to stop me from duct taping a logitech brio onto a quest 3 and having 4k pass through
>>581013006>Maybe it's for the best, I'll see if there's a good deal on ebay.You should seriously consider not doing this if you want one.They will be $2000 on ebay.
>>581013087Who are you replying to? I'm saying the headset should've just come with decent passthrough to begin with.
>>581012367no he's not lying at allCV1 controllers were the GOATindex controllers broke all the fucking time and the finger tracking barely functions to this day like the other anon said.
>>581011883I don't have one. I have an index. And this is not really better than that either.The average normie gamer doesn't care about what game store it is. They use steam anyway, and you can tether the quest to your PC and use steam if I'm not mistaken to play a vrgame
>>580997528pypy with index is a miserable experience, you gotta do something about that
>>581012971It inherently CANNOT work well because it's a 31(?) part array of capacitive sensors. The resolution is nowhere near sufficient to accurately distinguish location and proximity of all fingers.
>>581012367fuck no, i remember a couple of excited premium headpats and around twenty million dropped guns during early pavlov matches. pair that with inability to consistently put a facial expression on and you're getting a recipe for the ultimate rage
Did anyone complaining about battery life ever used a laptop or phone while gaming?These devices don't last more than an hour or two without being pluggedDid you expect valve to fit an EV car battery in the frame?
>>580983930Sexiest avatar ever. I wanna see you get fucked
>>581013512Rift set the standard of changing batteries once a month. It was only possible because the only "tracking" technology in them was a constellation of IR LEDs and all processing was offloaded to the computer, which was a performance problem.
>>581012448>what though?Depends on if you're upgrading from another headset or not (from the questions I assume not), and what you actually want to use it for.>and hope they'll make a module for a wired connectionIt already exists, you connect the headset to the PC with a USB cable. If you want a displayport connection, it's not happening.>is the finger tracking (+ regular controller tracking in general) on the controllers as good as the index's?Hard to say for the finger tracking without real world results, but the controller tracking should be fine.>can you do full body tracking like you could with the index + a bunch of extra shitYou can do FBT with any headset if you're willing to run a hybrid setup.
>>581013512no because gaming laptops are fucking stupid and only exist for marketing bullshit to trick normies.everyone fucking knows if you want to game you plug in as much as possible.one problem, the fucking VR headset isnt running the game. my PC is.
>>581013512We expected them to deliver on the hot-swappable battery strap they canceled.
>>580984132Ironically I just made one last night but I’m having issues getting the face tracking to work
>>581013767It's not canceled see >>580992991
>>581013767according to GN it's not canceled but coming in a few months. Hotswap battery + Index style BMR audio drivers.
>>581012367>mfw an index user says I cant thumbs up anymore so this will have to do bro>mfw no face
>>581012586>What do you WANT to do with it...play vr stuff? i don't really care about using it anywhere other than near my pc so i kinda don't give a shit about how it's the same hardware as my phone and can be a standalone thingand while i don't have anywhere near enough space for full body tracking for now having the option at all would be cool
>>581013087Nothing. But you wanted passthrough, right?
>>581013868>>581013905Will be nice when it actually exists then.
>>5810133423 years, 3-4 times a week every week still suffering
>>581014013What kind of VR stuff
Have people gotten the AVP working with VRC and face tracking yet?
>>581013512If you don't want battery comparisons or complaints then the ability to hotswap them should have been standard so it was abundantly obvious that is the intended use.
>>581014013>>581009945Frame does just about everything better than Index except for probably audio and possibly microphoneI would absolutely not recommend buying an Index in nearly of the big '27 as your first VR device.Genuinely the only two devices you should be looking at as someone new to VR are Quest 3 or Frame.>But I don't need that standalone shitDoesn't matter, practically no one here uses their Quest devices for standalone shit. Everything is streamed from your computer to these devices.Full Body Tracking is starting to hopefully move away from base stations (especially since they are now a dead technology) so I would not point to that as a reason to only get an Index when not only are alternatives coming out, but you can already do mixed full body tracking with Quest devices and Lighthouse FBT trackers.
>>581014201how have you not killed your index cable over and over by stepping on it, and how do you deal with the sweat
>>581013707more or less already replied here >>581014013but no i don't have a headset yet >if you want a displayport connection it's not happeningyeah idk if it's worth it then, i haven't tried vr yet but i feel like any kind of noticeable latency (read: wireless) would really throw me off
>>581014435I am pretty sure someone in /vrg/ has one and has the facetracking working in VRC.
after all these years, I realized that the VR user can't be satisfied with anythinga headset should work first on basic things, not have stupid stuff like face and eyetracking, or "muh passthrough!", when barely any of you use it at all.I rather have comfortable controllers that don't break within a year rather than stupid gimmicks that don't really do anything and are just there for the placebo effect.
>>581014617>i haven't tried vr yet but i feel like any kind of noticeable latency (read: wireless) would really throw me offIt's not noticeable unless you are doing something extremely competitive to the point where every ms counts like competitive rhythm games or super srs shooters.In terms of just general VR use though it's not like swinging your arms around is going to be noticeably lagging behind where you feel your actual arms are IRL.
>steam frame release on thread #1942So 3 more threads till the competitor nuke drops?
>>581008527You fool, i’m into this
>>581014754The eyetracking is used for foveated streaming, not just making avatar eyes move.
>>581014610I hang my index cable on a hook on my wall and not ceiling, I'm surprised it's lived this long to be honest. As for sweat, I always put a facetowel on my head before I put on the headset and I wash my face gasket every week. It just works.
>>581014841Zucc drop the Q4 announcement and my life is yours I'll even send you a sample of my cum since you like watching me masturbate so much
>>581014349for now mostly stuff that doesn't have you move around like racing games, no man's sky, minecraft, skyrim?, boneworks?, etcmaybe bodycam one day if they ever add vr to it + fbtagain, temporary lack of space
>>581015114we would have had leaks by now if there was a quest 4 dropping this year
>>581014609hmm gotcha
>>581014841>>581015114>>581015212Phoenix may drop this year but yeah, Q4 will be next year at the earliest.
Seems like I was right once again and reviewers are complaining about the magnetic faceplate being shit and too easy to pull off. Random vrg anon a few days ago saying it was just fine status : BTFO
>>581015114I doubt they'll acknowledge or even hint at Quest 4 until next year. Meta Connect is probably going to be all about AR and downplaying any mention of VR again.
Floating test with dangling feet, hair clipping into face and hood still not fixed
>want a vr headset>zillion shitty niche hyper specific doo hickeys I need to buyI see why its hard for VR to take off.
>>581014609>everything better than the indexEvery reviewer has so far said the audio is worse, the Mic seems worse somehow, I can use my index indefinitely, (longer if I'm willing to tether controllers while using) while this lasts under an hour wirelessly, which is its entire selling point,And this doesn't use or communicate with steam vr requiring you to treat a steam headset as a third party hybrid setup for tracking.Unless you really care about the standalone flat gaming, this is sidegrade at best. Oh right, fov is smaller, refresh rate is lower by default pretty sure,
>>581015668Looks cool although only the feet flying behind while the hands don't looks a little odd.You can try putting a bone collider in your head or set an angle limit for the hair clipping
>>581015098I have never had an Index cable last more than 2 years without developing sparkles and none have made it past 2.5 years without absolutely needing replacement because the headset stops working consistently. I don't step on it, twist it or anything, they just die of their own accord. How yours has lasted that long is truly a mystery.
>>581015668Sorry, I'm just not aroused by that. Let's see your other avis
>>581014617If you're doing anything that actually involves moving around much, wireless is nice to have, and unless your setup is pretty bad, I would argue you're not going to run into noticable latency even on a Quest 3 outside of some edge cases.>>581015168FBT is unfortunately pointless if you're not interested in VRChat, since you didn't list that, I wouldn't really worry about ease of use for that.Skyrim and Boneworks would probably have you moving around more than you'd expect if you have the space I move around a bit playing those at least.For what it's worth, if you're interested in a wired headset to try out VR, I have a PSVR2 I grabbed pretty cheap that I use specifically for sim stuff and that's been working pretty well for a cheap headset you just plug into your PC.
>>581015685>>581014754what are you even doing here?
>>581015668nice
>>581014840still though, wouldn't a wired headset strictly be better both for picture quality and latency? also no i'm probably not gonna play anything sweaty but i'm the kind of retard who has absolutely abysmal hand-eye coordination and gets headaches from stupid shit like low fov so
>>581016002doing research? I think I lurked like 3 months before getting my headset
>>581015813Did you stop reading at "everything better than the Index" because the next words are literally "except for probably audio and possibly microphone".You can use this indefinitely if you plug it in just like your Index, or get hotswappable pocket batteries (or wait another 4 years for their enthusiast headstrap kit)Hybrid tracking stopping being a problem like over half a decade ago.FoV is larger, refresh rate goes up to the same amounts the Index does.
dave is right. why didnt' they release a game with the steam deck? zero new game released
>>581016002>what are you even doing here?Trying to shop for a VR headset while seeing if it is worthwhile to wait for the steam frame to unlock for purchase. Also vent posting how fucking annoying it is to find one that just works for my needs without being needlessly inconvenient.
>>581016272VR is the cutting edge. The frame is the closest you'll ever get to just works. A lteast for a headset made in the last 8 years.
>>580971646You can play Brotato and Dave The Diver.
Is it known what the split of available 256GB/1TB kits are? I figured going for the 1TB will improve my chances but it might not be a good idea if there's far less of those
>>581016020>wouldn't a wired headset strictly be better both for picture quality and latency?Of course.But we're talking about the difference here being like 40ms.In terms of picture quality, the intent to solve that is Frame's wireless adapter that it comes with as well as foveated streaming (using the Frame's eyetracking, it detects where you are looking and gives that area extra attention for bitrate and such)You're also getting better picture quality with the Frame anyway by default compared to Index because of the massive bump in resolution.
>>581016361NOPE. See:>>581009289
>>581015957>VRChatmy best friend from across the pond loves that shit and will probably get me to play it with him at some point but no i wouldn't get a fbt setup just for that>Skyrim and Boneworks would probably have you moving around more than you'd expectwell, shiti can barely fit my chair between my desk and my bed, that's how little space i have>PSVR2a sony vr headset works on pc? what evendo the controllers work too?
battery seems fine
>>581016627>that's how little space i have(for now)
>>581016710those are vastly different hours than what GN got out of their testing. Is this at 120hz?
>>5810167103 and a half hours streamed actually doesn't sound too awfulwell below what anyone would want but much better than the 1hrish figure other reviewers are showing
>$1969audOnly slightly more than the index on its Australian release.
>>581016710Ok so running games on the headset itself is gonna rape your battery but streaming is okay-ish I guess. Makes sense.
>>581016361nobody knows but if you're desperate and have money burning a hole in your pocket go for 1TB, the value is super low and there's no bonus like steam machine faceplates, so there's no real reason to get one instead of just buying an SD card if you run out of space - I think they're going to have a hard time selling them even if they made like 1/10 of 256GB number
>>581016854australia sucks ass
Can you find the real one?
>>581016913>I think they're going to have a hard time selling them even if they made like 1/10 of 256GB numberand that's EXACTLY why you should get one.
>>581016627PSVR2 is your best option if you REALLY REALLY refuse to go wireless and only want a wire.They even sell them for like less than $300 now (although you still need to buy some official Sony adapter that's like $50 to make it work with PC)But keep in mind they're pretty much done making them and if the cable starts crapping out you might be fucked.
>>581016795GN's charging was also completely busted so maybe we're already seeing our first QC issues lol
new>>581017176>>581017176
>>581016795[X] DoubtAll native stuff usually targets 72fps at like 1700x1700
>>581016795no clue, i got pic from >>>/g/109818408
>>581016627>i can barely fit my chair between my desk and my bed, that's how little space i haveIt's technically possible to play Skyrim and Boneworks seated, so if you have even a small place to stand it's doable. You're going to want to be careful not to hit anything if you don't have a lot of space though.>a sony vr headset works on pc?Needs an adapter plus some way to connect the controllers over bluetooth, but yeah. Has official drivers that work pretty well, plus some unofficial ones that have been getting better lately.Can't really speak for the quality of the controller tracking since I really just use it for sims, but the unofficial drivers are supposedly working to improve that too.
>>581016351It is starting to look that way. I refuse to use meta, Samsung, Apple, etc. so that limits me greatly. I checked out the Beyond 2e (all the attachments) and Pimax but hate the idea of being capped at 90 hz even if I don't particularly mind going through the slow hassle of setting up any 3rd party controllers, accessories, etc.Steam frame seems nice but the initial reviews are kinda throwing me off with battery life and whatnot but the idea of just it working and also being able to go up to 144hz is nice. I will just use the streaming capability since my computer is decent. I just wish I could have my cake and eat it too, I don't mind throwing money at this but steam frame just seems to tick most boxes idk whatever
What's the latency?inb4 two weeks
>>581016934Neck up you farkin pelican rock spider looking cunt.
>>580990623>TFW when mega clouds drive pay $200 a year for is just 3tb of porn, most of which is 3D vr porn animation Feels good
>>581017314See >>580992002
>>580990672I’m gonna laugh if you don’t get a frame and are stuck with a camera
>>580992002Clearly we should all be using 360 Hz monitors.
>>581017021>>581017257hmmi checked and a new one is 437€ without the adapter but even with it it's like 500€ at worstwhich is like less than half of the 256gb frameuuuuhhh, maybe? a close friend/neighbor has a ps5 so at worst i could just sell it to him once i decide to get a proper headsetis the headset itself any decent?
>>581007516buy a refurbished indexbecause apparently vr hardware was created before the dark age of technology and now we are back to google cardboard
>>581009289>Valve likely made more 256GB ones.This is why going for the 256GB one makes more sense.
>>581018079>STEAM FRAME IS LITERALLY GOOGLE CARDBOARD This may be peak hyperbole.
>>581018369bu buuu, scalpers will think the same thing.
>>581018034I'd try to check around for a sale or an open box headset if you can find one. Third party adapter has worked fine for me if you want to save a bit on that.Headset itself is fine. Better displays/lenses than the Index. Headset tracking seems fine, but I don't use the controllers to tell there. Not as comfortable and audio is worse, but I think both are still fine (and both can be improved if you're willing to spend a bit more although I didn't feel the need to)
>>5809933892-3 hours is average, most use power banks to get an extra 4 ish hours between swapping them out.But 2 hours max in the lowest settings and 47 in the highest setting is absolutely abysmal. Even the Apple Vision Pro can get a full hour with all of its XR bullshit going on
>>580993598Headset -$1059Color passthrough -$150Ergonomic kit-$60Quality USBC Charger -$30Charge packs to get decent battery-$50 To get a base level quest 3 experience you’re paying $1350, before any games.A 512gb quest 3 with a free copy of gorilla tag is $599. Adding it all together you get the quest 3 with all the same accessories for less than half of what you’re paying or a Frame just to get the basic acceptable experience.Frame is in the same price point as a pico, big screen, or even used Vision Pro and Galaxy XRs.If this thing came out in 2024 and cost $600, even $700 it would be a no brainer. But at $1059 base price it’s the worst deal in VR right now.
>>581020094You forget one thing: i'm not interested in Groomilla Tag, ya pedo gaijin
>>581014435Yea, it works with WVRN or whatever the Linux thing is that's a pain in the dick. If you want the AVP but actually mostly just good to go for PCVR, it's the Galaxy XR from Samsung. It has it's issues, but it's the only thing that I personally think is a straight upgrade from the Q3 for PCVR outside of the occasional tracking issue because Google is way too focused on the AR glasses they're trying to get running AndroidXR to deliver a patch that the community could give them a simple checklist of things to add and fix.
>>580994371The passthrough and hand tracking are better, and as much as people like to complain about horizon os, I guarantee you it’ll be better than the garbage SteamOS that will be on here. Virtual desktop alone mitigates nearly all of the horizon os problems anyway, you have zero reason to interact with anything besides turning on the headset and opening that up.I’m always skeptical of valve hardware and I suspect quest might have better controller tracking. But time will tell.Really though, every upgrade the steam frame has is minor, we’re talking a singular year cellphone upgrade. Technically better but not noticeably so. A quest 3 is new for $600, a frame is new for $1050.
Fresh sloppa, testing a mod for vtol that exposes the depth buffer for recording. watch me try to remember how to start up a jet, in 3d: https://file.hiina.space/rgbd-spectator/
Putting standalone capabilities aside, I don't think most gamers rigs can even do better than the Steam frame's display capabilities. Because of quest we've really been running on easy mode performance-wise
>>581016710thrill got 45m in Vail standalone
>>581021351>https://file.hiina.space/rgbd-spectator/VERY cool
