join a corp

>PI will now be monopolized by sov nullniggers
disappointing outcome

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The null mining change will kill my EBRA profit
Unacceptable

>>1282338
source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1cn8s19/tritanium_is_back_on_the_00_menu_boys/

>>1282312
another monthly economy report another month of delve being the height of everything
what the fuck do those guys even do with their riches? spend it on supers to rat more?

>>1282326
>2 cycles later

>Been highsec exploring for half an hour
>35m
Not bad desu.

>big alliance makes big money
>somehow incomprehensible to people

>>1282352
the question was what they do with it you addled gooner. i know how they get it

make more isk

gather free minerals

>>1282444
You require more vespene gas

50m/hour exploring in highsec. Heh.

>>1282344
>tfw when still attempting to sell what was 90b ISK of Isogen
>Price will probably tank complete

>Tritanium and isogen. Will spawn in abundant amounts
lol what happened to the idea of wanting every space involved in industry. Now this just goes back to high/low/wh miners competing with null mining the same resources, and null gets rorq boosts, quiet systems, and intel so null wins.
>The new combat anom is higher reward for those that want to actively play, but you can still ishtar spin in the older anoms
Ishtar spinning is easily multiboxed so it will still be end-game of ratting, beating out even crab beacons for a fraction of the risk

so the game have basically done a full circle. highsec mining moreso lowsec are going to the dumpster while nullsec becomes an independent island like it used to be. feels bad. i wonder how big of an impact it will have. alliances will prolly want to rush into the new system asap.

thinking about coming back

>highsec mining moreso lowsec are going to the dumpster
Good. Hisec mining is for homos and lowsec is dead anyway

So we’re getting 200mil battleships?

still more than they're worth at this point

They need to remove the faction cores from t1 BSs.

Eve if t1 bs went back to the 50-80m price range, most still arent worth using. There is simply no real use case for a Tempest, or a Megathron, or an Abbadon or an Apocalypse, even the "good" ones like the Hyperion are just memes for bustin gate camps.
Only the Raven, Typhoon, and Geddon are really usable, maybe the Maelstrom too.

They were worth using because of insurance pvp

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bros... kevin... is gone...

>>1282543
It's a complete disaster for having the risk of space determine the price of materials. You can clearly see a price spike on Isogen and Nocxium since those were only found in lowsec and to some extent WH space because that security band is the hardest place to mine safely in. Whereas in HS, where CONCORD exists and cynos can't be lit, and NS, where large alliances can mine under a defense umbrella, have instead caused the minerals found there to tank in price. Hell, Bistot is now LESS valuable than Veldspar despite being found primarily in nullsec, just because NS mining is so much easier and more efficient than anywhere else.

On the flipside, it's a great change for people who don't do industry, the price of hulls will likely drop to a third of their current price.

>>1282543
well itll give a reason for nullsec to be relevant again
almost all the fighting has been in lowsec since Uprising, because other parts of space are pointless and boring, and all the isk comes from every man and his dog farming a C5/C6

>whfag desperately projecting relevancy onto his dead space

post music
https://youtu.be/GqCqVrbceCo?si=2Uqr_FXe3TaIdo-I

>>1282312
>How to reinvigorate nullsec
>unfuck scarcity 2.0? nope
>remove filaments for easy extraction? nope
>remove asset safety so there is actual loss and commitment of resources? nope
>remove ess and add ore back into nulsec so you actually have a reason to own and use that space? nope
>nerf citadel spam and timezone tanking? nope
>add new actual content to get people interested in nulsec instead of meme gudfite zones like ESS? nope

>add in more bullshit to fozzisov because you think people are going to slowboat the new sov resources through gates and not jumpbridge them because the devs don't fucking play the game? YEP

But hey, new purple loot I guess, the only way equinox will be considered remotely good is if they revamp nulsec anoms so there are also frigate and cruiser anoms so a solo roamer actually has interesting targets other than another ishtar bots and ESS Vargurs

>>1282717
But it sounds like they are unfucking scarcity 2.0 and adding ore back to NS. Except it's exclusively for NS and of no benefit to anyone else.

>cheap ships don't benefit everyone else

You might not know this but my capsuleer has replaced their capsule's pod goo with horse cum

>>1282734
I like the new PVE shit but making it only spawn in core upgraded systems sucks. It makes it too safe and hard to pick off people out in the booniesn Nullsec doesn't need more shit on the populated systems, it needs shit in the empty parts to make people spread out.

How do I beat these harder event sites? There's no way I'm this bad at the game.

>>1282840
You don't. The only guy who beat the high tier cruiser sites spent 8b on his fits, and got himself a 20m payout. Theyre pointless.

>>1282846
I can't even beat the T2. My 100m cruiser get obliterated. I don't even care about the higher tiers.

>>1282847
You have to use a DPS cruiser and a logi cruiser.

>>1282717
They add things to game to keep that null sec pi industrialist with 24 mining barges and a rorq and, correspondingly, 25 x the omega time consumption of a noob, playing and happy.

They will NEVER risk losing those whales by changing anything. If you owned an mmo and people paid retarded amounts to play "just as boring as being a actual 1800's whelsh coal miner but in a space ship" the mini game, you wpuld give farcical lip service to "big changes" too.

They also keep trying to fix the null local error by making "new" space like wholes and pochven, but it keeps being captured by autistic bot using faggots.

Sigh.

meds

>>1282847
Solo?
T3 and below can be done with a stabber
Enter site with Barrage loaded, overheat afterburner for 2 cycles and burn straight to the sentry towers, go through the boundary to jump and kill the other set of towers. The T3 Leshak webs and keeps you at 9km so keep Barrage loaded, for the Drifter battleship switch to Hail and orbit 1k.
For lower tiers you can remove 1 or 2 of the lows for gyrostabilizers
https://www.eveworkbench.com/fitting/stabber/3cf6b405-2b8d-42e0-a210-08dc6c64d1b1
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2136987020?t=2h27m59s

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Remove pirate hulls/bpcs from LP stores. Rollback the faction materials

>>1282875
Pirate hulls are already over priced for what they do. Pirate frigates should nkt be 120m, why would you want to make it worse?

Im not feeling the happiness after reading about the expansion

>bs
they're shit because of other ships. you fix battleships by fixing caps, marauders, t3s, hacs, etc.

Soon I can fly the minmatar hound and become bane incarnate to barges everywhere

>>1282886
problem with the pirate frigates and cruisers is half of them are fuckin useless while the others are retardedly overpowered
they need to do a balance pass

make them all way worse

So wormhole PI is gonna be fucked in Equinox? Been planning to setup some passive isk shit.

>>1282886
They need natural price adjusting by rarity and not by some arbitrary fag materials CCP pulled out of their ass

Thinking about training my amarr skills so I can fly an Abaddon.
Anything I should know?

Yes, fly a geddon instead.

I don wanna

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>abaddon
ugly

You DID equip the festive launcher and pelt some idiot with confetti right?

>>1282961
It could go one of two ways:

PI prices in general get completely fucked because the Skyhook prints it out at an absurd rate compared to normal PI. At this point, PI is dead except through the Skyhook.

The Skyhook's cost to run is so high that PI prices roughly stay the same. This could be in actual cost (IE, the ISK value of the resources used to run it are better off sold on their own instead of used to run the Skyhook) or the opportunity cost (It's better to use the Skyhook reagents to maintain your new soverignty hub, so no one uses the Skyhook when you can instead get better pirate anomalies from it).

Either way, PI will either stay the same in value or drop like a rock, so it's only a question of how bad the damage will be.

Why are they walking back the whole ecosystem of exclusive minerals thing? Now mining in low/wh/poch is a waste of time since null gets it all plus all the safety.
Where the fuck is the trade-off in danger?
>invaders will be able to steal some bulky low value reagents and r4 moon trash
You should be able to shoot and temporarily offline the Local function

>Now mining in low/wh/poch is a waste of time
As it always was

delete wormhole space and pochven

Breacher halcyon skin, lets cook.

Any nullsec buff without nerfing power projection into the ground is bad for the game. The game is essentially dead already, though, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

>>1282961
PI isnt being changed
the Skyhooks are for new resources and to provide system upgrades for shit that isnt normally available in nullsec

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>>1283000
>breacher
>trips
based

>you can steal from them
>you can't do it in small ships
feels bad man

>Takes 10 minutes to steal from them
>Nullblocs can travel the entire galaxy in 5 minutes
Nice game design

yeah sure they can...

The resources able to be stolen will just be produced where the dullsec blobs can babysit the producing structures 24/7.

The gigablobs will keep denying access to 0.0 for non-aligned entities even if they don't use the structures. There's still zero reason not to form the blue doughnut.

these stolen resources aren't going to fit in a normal ship are they

A requirement for a hauler + the ability to shoot the structure shield was implied, yea.

ok. another feature closed to soloers

Just use a hauler alt.

hauler alt won't be able to do damage. I'm assuming these things have millions of hp as well

Just use a rorq or the new meme haulers with missiles :^)

>>1282717
all ccp had to do was give ansiblex jump fatigue
just like jump bridges had after phoebe.
but no.

unironically would fix a ton of issues with null and we've already seen how it played out between phoebe and when ansiblexes launched
and it was good.
I'll never understand why they never gave ansiblex jump fatigue. it just doesnt make any fucking sense.

I'd fly a combat hauler, but I'm 99% sure they'll be retarded

>>1283085
It's mostly because CCP is no longer very innovative or dynamic company. EVE is 20 years old and while it's not dead it's dying and the people working at CCP are mostly veterans more interested in carrying out their daily routine and keeping their jobs than actually delivering something great with a passion. I mean it's fairly understandable, someone entered the company when he was 30 and is now 55 with -15 IQ, half the energy and quarter the ideas from his prime barely functioning as an employee in a tech company. The last thing someone like that would do is shake the boat when he can just keep making plain updates that appease the existing players for a while longer while hoping for an early retirement.

>>1283090
>people working at CCP are mostly veterans
No they aren't lol. Most have been replaced.

>>1283090
how is it shaking the boat
jump bridges had fatigue for years before ansiblexes replaced them
theres absolutely no reason to not have given them jump fatigue just like the bridges they replaced.

only if you introduce WH fatigue

>>1283116
The drones that make the game may be replaced but the office culture and leadership positions are calcified.

>>1283118
Because babs wouldn't like it, every change has to improve their power otherwise they may quit.

>>1283004
did they clarify that on stream? the article says
>*Replacing the customs office*, the orbital skyhook takes the form of an anchor, and *will be required to extract resources from planets*.
emphasis mine

>>1283164
the resources its required for are the new sov fuel shit
its replacing the poco in sov space only, and functions identically to the poco for PI.

lot of bittervets in here. just play the game lol

>>1283183
Not even bittervets, bitter solo highsec players with no corp who have played that way for 5 years and wonder why it sucks

you mean wormholers

Mad? Frustrated? Seething?
Join our Punisher and Omen roams

Can I bring my apoc?

x arbitrator

>>1283234
I would suggest Oracle if you want to bring in heavy firepower for our Omen roams

>>1283224
no, wormholers know why it sucks

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>WH fatigue
amazing idea

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>he doesn't build his omens for the omen roam in the designated /eog/ shekel printing facilities
Not gonna make it desu.

>>1283336
You mean polarization?

yeah but way worse

>>1283351
Okay but also Jump drives have their range reduced by 60%. And fuel consumption is tripled.

doesn't address the issue. need a (minutes long) activation timer on both cynos and jump drives

>>1282886
Removing the gas materials from pirate hull manufacturing would make everything better

Before scarcity 2.0 a pirate frig was 40-50mil, now they're over 100, the only exception is the Worm and Dramiel which had lowered down to 70mil because the BPCs went from 50mil a copy to 10 mil because you can get 5 dramiel BPCs by AFKing in a small pirate FW plex for 10 minutes

This just fucks people who actually play the game in the form of combat exploration which requires you to roam and clear sites for a chance at a drop, pirate FW is braindead and boring as shit and I generated enough LP for an azaziel without ever shooting a single shot against another player on an alpha

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Pirate cruisers should be 100-120mil at best.
Think about it logically.

>Orthrus

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still too cheap for what it does

>complaining about Orthrus
How to spot a shitter that doesn't know how to use an Oracle in one easy step.

I want a little more chaos in eve. Changing security levels for systems based on player or NPC happenings, magic space fuckery causing changing system connections (not just wormholes), smash two solar systems together, station gets eaten by a black hole and spit out across space somehere. Why are these faggots so boring and never shake things up?

>>1283400
Dullsec RMT empires absolutely hate any change. Coincidentally, they are also the only meaningful player lobby group and most CCPniggers with any game experience were part of the inner circles of said RMT empires.

>>1283400
None of that would really fix things.

3 things would actually help a lot.

1: nerf the ever living fuck out of all the safety nets they've been adding into the game since citadels. Asset safety being the biggest, but also citadel spam and tethering capitals to astrahus', as well as filament travel in general

2: increase highsec/lowsec gate travel safety measures to promote more travel through 'secure' space, which adds more noise to d-scan

3: Rework d-scan so it no longer gives perfect information instantly.

What exactly is the "gameplay loop" in this game supposed to be?

>wants to fix game
>not one word about Jump drives

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>be at one of two research & production bases
>try to deliver a job remotely at base #1
>"Too many jumps away for Supply Chain Management skill to allow"
>go there
>try to deliver a job remotely for base #2
>works fine, no issue with SCM skill limit
???
Can someone explain this shit to me like I'm 6 years old because it literally doesn't add up.

Can't imagine playing this game without filaments.

yeah let me just undock and go roaming in my solo pvp oracle

My manifesto is up to 10k words, at what point is it too long?

>>1283362
It really is a beauty

>>1283407
Without asset safety there's no way to live in null except by joining a hyper blob. I don't really see how that would fix anything.

>>1283411
It's a mmo, the gameplay loop is what ever your friends find fun.

>>1283412
Jump freighter is the bane of the game, the root cause of the system failure that is EVE online. Truly the troll under the bridge, the jew in the bankvault, the calcium in the spooky's bone's

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>>1283419
You dropped your laser.. King

Remove drones and RLML.

>>1283425
>No way to live in null
Don't commit all your assets to nulsec then.

The reason why Nulsec is so dogshit right now is because the big alliances are sitting on caches of supers sitting in citadels that are perfectly 100% safe.

Destroying a keepstar costs way more than you get out of it (a shitty quantum core), in fact your reward for conquering something like 1DGQ would be months and months of mind numbing structure grinding while all the imperium does is goes on vacation until your alliance falls apart from the mindless structure grind nonsense then undocks from NPCs stations in supers to retake the systems.

Also
>asset safety is fine
>JF is not
retard alert

>drones
nah, redesign to be brawly and not gay
>RLML
yeah

>>1283441
>The reason why Nulsec is so dogshit right now is because the big alliances are sitting on caches of supers sitting in citadels that are perfectly 100% safe.
Which would be made worse by removal of asset safety. Consider this, if it was worth killing structures, do you think there would BE structures that wouldn't be bees? The small brained individual always thinks like this. Surely if only asset safety wasn't a thing you would take your solo fleet of harbingers and take down 1DGQ but conversely no thought is done what would actually happen which is that the same supercapitals that keep 1DGQ perfectly safe would just kill everyone else because it would actually do damage. It would basically immediately consolidate every remaining independent and semi independent faction under goons.

>>1283441
Also I must respond to the remark about JF's because you seem to be a disgusting JF defender.
Consider this. The group that needs asset safety the least is the one with most force to secure their assets. So it's pretty obvious why removing it would simply help the imperium make a bigger blue blob. But the reverse is true with JF's because without jump's (JF's in particular but the problem extends to all jumping ships and fast travel systems in general) controlling larger territories becomes more difficult. It's easy enough for a small group to move stuff between their own structures in a single system where they do their industry and then arrange a convoy to take their loot to HS for sale every week. But a big group needs to move things between multiple systems on the regular and the material demands also require much more traffic, all of which creates actual targets of opportunity when ships don't simple 360 nowarp from safespace to safespace. Jump helps the richest people the most.

Now it's perfectly logical to think that asset safety is bad and jump is good, it's the opinion held by the blobbers like imeprium members which is statistically speaking most of the game. Afterall without asset safety they can finally absorb the remaining powers and without jumps it would be a huge hassle to blob out. I just think that's not that cool, afterall getting dicked on by a super for the 4th time that week when you are the lads are on a punisher almost gets close to taking the fun out of flying a punisher.

>>1283411
>log on
>do thing you like to do
>log off
sometimes you might have to do some space chores like hauling some loot to sell or a market run to buy some shit, resetting your PI extractors for a min or two or checking up on your blueprints and industry jobs.
but game is mostly log on, do your fun/comfy thing you enjoy, maybe fleet up with some bros to go on some pvp

of all the shit on Youtube, Mandalore's review is almost 10 years old but stil sort of covers the game the best. just keep in mind like half of his complaints about the game have been patched out and he tries to shill 4chan's shitty 5-man wormhole corp

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>>1283419
uummmm based?

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>>1283477
Reminder that anyone who wasn't there when Mandalore was doing evictions with us is an actual unironic nullbaby.
You had one chance to live through the best time EVE Online had to offer and you missed it because you had to sit in your queer corp and praise the local cum eaters.
Goons would unironically kick you if they heard you say nigger, you gay nigger.
>5 man
There were about a hundred of us at one point and if you didn't spend your time in ten thousand man circlejerk blobs you'd know that.

>>1283483
>hundred
He means now

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>do your fun/comfy thing you enjoy
But I don't want to grind isk.

>>1283487
>now
fuck off we're full

>>1283489
Well that just blows the animeposter out harder doesn't it

>>1283492
No.
You are retarded. We are not currently recruiting. Because the thread is full of people of your or equivalent mental capacity. Fuck off.

>>1283494
Yes again, which blows you out

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>>1283495
Nobody capable of typing words on a keyboard is this stupid so I know you're trying to le epic trolle by pretending. Go back to shitposting with your reddit trannies.

>>1283499
Do you just not speak English or what's wrong with you?

>>1283474
>JFs get removed
>lowsec in shambles
>npc null weirdos fucked
>chinese sovbots just keep teleporting their freighters from one end of their space to the other quicker than jfs because fatigue-less jump bridges exist

>>1283502
Kill yourself. Ideally by drowning yourself in sulfuric acid, but the traditional tranny roping will also fit you just fine.

>>1283483
>eats eceleb cock
>takes pride in considering xerself the superior cock eater
>anime pedophile pic
Poetry.

Any bets on exactly how much Isogen prices will fucking tank after this next update?

u mad

>>1283514
Yes, very. I was enjoying the process of optimizing the fuck out of mining Isogen ores in a bumfuck LS region far from civilization. Sunk a bunch of time and SP into alts for it and stuff

>>1283504
I would predict that Lowsec would actually see unprecedented activity with jumps removed, with nullbabs running their stuff over there manually there would be tons of opportunities for an actual pirate playstyle. Lot of people would probably move towards low in general for the convenience. Deep null should be deep and less travelled but rewarding for people who actually mkae the journey.

>because fatigue-less jump bridges exist
The issue of JF's is fundamentally an issue with all "jump" and fast travel systems. The only real difference between jump bridges, jump freighters and say using carriers as freighters is the ease and accessibility. The concept of a jump is cancerous, the difference is just on the amount of cancer each system gives. You may imagine a future where every ship could jump, it wouldn't make jump freighters any less problematic, it would just mean no one would use a jump freighter when you could just use a regular freighter and jump with that.

Just removing jump freighter wouldn't really solve the issue, people would simply switch to using bridges as you say or using carriers or what ever they may cope up with as the next most cost effective solution. But it would be a step in the right direction and would at least inconvenience the users of jumps slightly more. JF is basically the poster child because it embodies the problem most concretely but it's not the only one with the issue. The actual root cause is any and all systems that allow the bypass of travel in vulnerable real space. All of those really ought to be addressed simultaneously to prevent the sort of situation where say bridges become mandatory for instance if they are the only viable method left standing.

>>1283505
When you learn English try to appreciate how hard you just got blown out.

Hey /eog/ what is some cool stuff that you did or are doing today?

I finally got around to learning how to set up PI in order to feed my crippling industry addiction which has lead me down the dark path of invention & T2.

>>1283524
I'm making a grid of undock BMs so that I can escape a heavily camped LS station whenever I want. First time doing something like that

>>1283520
i think you're completely clueless as to why JFs exist at all in the first place

fatigue remedied a lot of the worst effects of cyno travel, only for ccp to bring those bad times back for sovbots with nu jump bridges.

four fucking years now and still ansiblexes dont give any kind of fatigue, what the fuck were ccp thinking

go look at sov map pre ansiblex and compare to now

>>1283531
Honestly no clue why you responded to me with this.

>>1283400
>>1283407
>Capitals and Supercapitals now require a dedicated structure to dock in and resupply themselves, one structure per ship. If the ship doesn't regularly dock, it begins to lose combat effectiveness until it becomes virtually worthless. Capital docks can be reinforced and destroyed like structures, also consume fuel/reagents as upkeep. Hard limit of capitals a system can support.

>Jump drives have a spool up time before the ship actually jumps or opens a bridge. Can be as short as 30 seconds for a covert cyno or as long as ten minutes for a Titan jump bridge.

>Jump freighters replaced with Deep Space Transport like freighters, massive armor, can't be tackled except by HICs, immune to bubbles and bumping, massive align time. 800-900k m3 fleet hangar space.

>NS Local chat tied to sovereignty, requires an expensive communications upgrade on the sov structure and near-maxed system rating.

>Can't remove sovereignty in a system without an extended campaign. Regular ratting/mining/activity in system builds up sov to the first level, only way to force a loss of sov is to be more active in space for a couple of weeks than the previous owner.

>Successful objectives like running the ESS, robbing a Skyhook, moon drill, etc drop sov levels until the hub becomes vulnerable for non-alliance members, raise it for the alliance using it itself.

>Medium structures can't be fully destroyed at sov 1 or above, only knocked offline. Same for large at sov 3, or XL at sov 5.

>Alliance capitol systems "pool" some sov activity from other systems in their constellation to themselves for the holding alliance instead of getting a free boost for being the capitol

>>1283488
well dont then?

>>1283524
>Hey /eog/ what is some cool stuff that you did or are doing today?
slowly chipping away at the capsuleer event and my Bellicose/Scythe blueprints just finished 10/10 ME research yesterday so gotta go pick those up.

>>1283512
I'm betting a drop to sub 250 ISK/unit. There's a bit of balancing factor because of the reagent cost and opportunity cost of putting on the module that makes isogen asteroids spawn, but I have a feeling it won't be significant enough to prevent major alliances from doing it since they don't need every system to be a ratting system.

The CSMs keep saying it won't be terrible, but the only CSM that does industry on the board is a Pandemicfag. I think they're all looking forward to cheaper ships from the changes.

I logged in then logged out

>>1283517
If you think that's bad, my corp generated 228b ISK in isogen mining last year doing multiple wormhole ore sites per week. Our second highest product is PI sales sitting at 143b over one year. Both of those things are about to get absolutely fucked.

so if I wanted to get into hauling and obviously dont have a freighter, whats the next best thing to work towards?
Deep space transports?
I'm using an iteron mk 5, if I knew what I was hauling then I would switch to something specific to it but contracts never say.

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>>1283552
Ships, skill injectors, imps, drugs and bling aren't free.

you should really be flying amarr

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>>1283563
Being alive isn't fucking free, but here we are. Everything has a cost, it's just up to you to decide when it's worth it.

>>1283559
dst and blockade runners are insanely powerful
dst especially since it has double the cargo of bestower but can get over 100k ehp easily

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>>1283577
>tfw 420k cold/650k hot in a Bustard
>up to 1.4m EHP hot vs blasters

the non-meme fits are good too

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>>1283570
>prices keep going up
>the profit from all activities is almost the same as it was decade ago
Thanks, professor Nathan. I lost my way but now I can see the true path hypernet gambling.

>>1283577
is it just me or is almost every contract something only a freighter can haul?

>>1283585
Make it worth it. anon. If there is one thing I know about life, it's that no matter what it requires effort, so you might as well direct that effort at something you like.

>>1283587
no, its not just you
plenty of people make dst-size contracts but they get snapped up quick

>>1283563
>skill injectors, imps, drugs and bling aren't free.
dont use them then and git gud

freedom aint free

Pirate factions should contest sovereighnty is nullsec systems that aren't actively used. Got a structure anchored in a system that isn't being ratted in? Fuck you, have a fleet of diamond rats.

>combat probe a mackinaw and orca
>not moving
>undock my megathron and stiletto
>land on wh
>its highsec
delete highsec from the game

>>1283474
No, I am pointing out how absurd it is to think JFs are bad when you actually have to undock with that shit but somehow asset safety = good when it magically teleports supers from keepstars into NPC stations where they're not allowed to dock normally.

People who defend asset safety are turbo cucked and I hope they keep getting farmed.

>>1283585
No matter what CCP does nothing will stem the influx of raw ISK coming in from the sanctioned chinese botting

In fact CCP keeps punishing actual players by proxy with systems like ESS

>>1283524
PI is an addiction in itself.

I promoted a gas huff alt to zirn pilot. In about 100 days I'll have zirn in a c1. Going to kill everything and then log the character out until it gets sent to high-sec to be a mining zirn.

dude I feel so stupid.
I didn't realize expanded cargo holds were a thing

>>1283831
Don't worry, you'll feel even dumber when you fill them and get blown up :)

>>1283357
>◘how to kill hotdrops
hisec moment

Remove caps from game

ok poor

Lowsec has proven that they can’t be relied upon as a necessary component of industry because they can’t stop themselves from incessantly hunting every venture. Therefore they will be losing the rights to their exclusive minerals.

>>1283990
Wouldn't be an issue if hunting wasn't braindead easy thanks to perfect information dscan

>perfect

>>1283732
the other anon is right though, only the biggest groups would be able to live in sov without asset safety.
supers getting asset safety is another issue, god only knows why ccp includes them
although look at the bright side, once they get asset safetied the chance of that super either dying or never appearing in space again goes up dramatically

asset safety should only be for me

>each type of space gets their own resource
>the type of resource that is the most dangerous to acquire is the most expensive
WOW, who would have thunk it?
Isogen being expensive out the ass is the system working as it's supposed to for once in this game's lifetime. It automatically self balances and rewards risk taking.
Holy fuck, you null blobbers are such utter subhumans that you immediately work to ruin the one good thing around so your rettitor overlords can go back to spamming the mining bots blobs that support their multi dollar RMT empire.
Mindless cattle.

>>1284013
Lowsec/Highsec/WHbab detected.
Null is how this game was meant to be played.

>>1284003
>only the biggest groups would be able to live in sov without asset safety
You only deserve what you can keep. Don't like it? Form your own group big enough to rival these big bads. You can't? Skill issue.

They hated him because he told the truth

>>1284023
As I said.
Mindless cattle.
Which shittergroup do you slave for, goons or chinks?

>minerals need to be expensive because uhhh...

Answer the question tranny respecting queer, what master are you cucking for?

>just scanning my chain in my helios
>a sunesis appears on dscan in a c1
>think nothing of it, probably just passing through
>keep scanning
>combat probes pick him up in a relic site
>warp catalyst on top of him
>land outside scram range, the sunesis warps off after a few seconds of trying to burn to him (no prop btw)
>stays on dscan, probably warped to a safe right?
>probes pick him up again
>warp to him with helios this time, hes hacking another fucking site
>slowboat 3km from him while cloaked, warp in the catalyst again
>he dies
its a bot r-right

>>1284031
take your meds

>>1284032
I get these a lot now, usually in the form of ventures trying to snort up my gas.
I chase them off and in 5 minutes they're back at it. I'm not sure if they have object permanence capability or if they think I no longer exist when they can't see me.

>>1284035
Stop dodging the question you worthless subhuman. Which nullblob do you pay tax to?

the question is voices in your head

>>1284031
>what master are you cucking for?
Israel.

>>1284013
I'm pretty fucking disappointed by this change, for once site difficulty determined the value of resources and it clearly shows that mining in low/WH/Pochven space is far more difficult than null. CCP's change is going to completely fuck the industrial economy in these territories.

And I absolutely can't stand CCP Swift and the CSM's response on this matter, "just go be a pirate and steal from null!" I didn't come back to EVE to roleplay as a nigger who can only steal and never create.

I'm having fun making relatively low amounts of ISK in highsec and there's nothing you can do about it.
>UHHHH I CAN SUICIDE GANK YOU
You don't even know who I am lmao

>steal from null
you can't realistically do this without a fleet, it's ass

>I'm eating pig shit and there's nothing you can do about it.

>industrial economy
>low/wh/poch
lol

>>1284044
You can't even do it with a fleet, try explaining to CCP that stealing moon ore from null is impossible in any significant quantity even if there's no one home. Without compression you can't carry shit out.

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>>1284023
>doing nothing but afking ishtars is how this game was meant to be played

i have made over 100b profit from industry in the last twelve months without counting any kind of mining (made 4-5b from huffing gas)

Imagine suggesting to the Runescape devs that the entire map should be wilderness and players in cheap gear can kill players in expensive gear, but at least guards will avenge you when you die in a town. You'd get laughed out of the room.

>Runescape
stopped reading there

>WH
stopped reading there

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the 3 20th anni CE skins are viewable in-game now, so we've got names
Immortal Eden for the megathron
Solar Brilliance for the tornado and vagabond

>megathron
>tornado
>vagabond
trash

>>1284066
yeah i wish one ship class for all 4 empires were covered instead
the 10th anni box mystery code ended up giving the whole set of concord SARO black troop skins after a number of years

>>1284063
>eceleb wank in an official product

>No new bellicose skins

>Buffs the bellicose
>CCP be like: Now they'll enjoy flying that piece of shit looking ship
redesign it you fucks.

the buff was retarded. it has more pg than it needs anyway, then they add more. I already have 0 fitting mods and nothing to spend it on, on a ham fit

im so sick of these fake fucking event relics i want sansha

>>1284122
Your income vil be nozhing and you vil be 'appy

>>1284037
Does it matter? Nullblocks are the only corps that matter in the game. They are the industrial, political, social and military backbone of the entire game. There is no space that isn't affected by nullblocks and the consolidation of nullblocks into two major blocks is the natural consequence of human nature. The same shit can be observed literally in every aspect of human civilization. Hell, even IRL it's Murrica/Europe and allies vs China/Russia and allies and has been for some time.

If you choose to stay in some small shitter corp/alliance that's your decision. Sure, you can still have fun but don't cry, bitch and moan that you can't do shit to actual big players. There is strength in numbers.

Was baited into 12k member alliance but it has no more than 50 people online at a time.

>Sure, you can still have fun but don't cry, bitch and moan that you can't do shit to actual big players. There is strength in numbers.

unironically not solo/small gang btfoing gigantic retard alliances

>>1284235
You can do plenty with a lot less than 50 people. But if it feels dead, you should leave.
There is no worse choice to make in EVE than staying in a corp you don't like.

What if everyone in eve blue each other?

They already did

maybe people would fight more if combat was more fun

Combat is fun. F1 tidi blobs aren't.

I said more

It can't becasue this is eve online.

>>1284122
Use filaments

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>go away for a few hours
>come back
>the nullgroid is still preaching his crazy cult dogma

I'm probably gonna buckle and just upgrade to the Navy Apoc before I can even fly a regular Apoc properly. The upgrade looks retarded, I get an extra low and double the tank on top of other nice QoL stuff. I'll only lose about 40m from buying the regular Apoc so it's not even that bad.

>>1284293
Just get the nightmare at that point

>>1284295
That's a suicide gank magnet

>>1284293
No reason not to do that. The price difference isn't much and it is just straight up more powerful.
The only downside is that you have to destroy your old rigs, but that's not such a big deal.

>>1284295
I can't afford it, I don't fancy wasting time training into Caldari BS, and I'd rather have the Apoc's range instead of +25% damage since I'm gonna be using T2 pulses before too long. Also it looks like a shield tanked ship and I have no shield skills. And it only has 350 rig points? And like the other guy said, a Nightmare is just gonna eat shit since I'm in Safety space.

>>1284305
I cheaped out on my old rigs anyway.

I finally got around to testing my Navy Megathron.
I think the Fleet Typhoon is still better because it gets 2 hyperspatials and a nano, but the Navy Mega can perform the frigfag genocide.
Spliting your guns into two groups and deleting those dodgy little shits 2 by 2 from 80 km is something special.
The problem of course being, the fit isn't actually cap stable and will theoretically cap itself out eventually. I haven't run into a mission that actually lasts long enough to drive me out of cap, because everything dies so quickly.
Also it has no tank lel. The only tank mods are 2 large shield extenders.

>>1284284
i dont care about relics that much, i only do the ones in my chain
i got 2 corpses instead, big win

>>1284293
Navy apoc is really the no brainer upgrade if you are into flying the apocalypse (in pve anyways). The upgrade is very substantial and helps particularly when your skills aren't very high. The extra fitting, the extra tank and extra drones all help the skill lvl 3 hero a lot. And best of all it benefits from exactly the same skill progression as regular apoc. The nightmare is of course even better but the price difference and different skillset makes it not that great a choice for the beginner pve player.

Of course if you aren't doing pve in highsec then don't do it.

>nightmare
faggot ship, not amarr

Along with Paladin the only laser ship worth flying.

and navy harb

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>>1284495
And my axe!

I want to play a game where I take a mothership/small colonist fleet into procedurally generated uncharted space where I need to build a fleet/base to tackle environmental hazards/hostile forces to extract valuable resourced / ancient relics/whatever and then extract whatever I can before I eventually get overwhelmed by some major disaster / settle semi-permanently conditions permitting.

>>1284651
I am designing something similar, in which you're an early colony that gets cut off from the home world and then have to urgently reconfigure your systems so the life support doesn't fail and kill you all. it's on the list of games I'll never ever make because I'm mentally deficient.
Also try Alien legacy from 30 years ago.

>>1284651
Ixion

>nightmare
>paladin
>navy harb
0/10 shittest taste

For me? It's the laser Nestor

>>1284734
Oh hey I have a Nestor in some highsec station, maybe I'll try doing missions with that one next.

I was just being silly please don't fly a laser nestor

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>>1284748
You are too late. Face the consequences of your actions.

It's actually really hard to figure out a ship that's better at lvl 4 missions than the typhoon fleet without resorting to Marauders or 1,5 bil Vindi or Mach fits.

>>1284783
Navy Raven is old reliable for me.

Too bad there's no reason to run L4 if you are not in a very high end setup.

>>1284748
Nestor is surprisingly fast for how tanky it is

>>1284783
Yeah thinking of upgrading my 10/10 typhoon to typhoon fleet but it'd mostly be for style points
Kind of wanna get a panther but >turrets

what if you could torrent blueprint copies

>>1284054
Runescape literally has that as a game mode.

>>1284053
what's your total net worth when making that 100b?

Me, I mine rocks.
You? You huff caca fart gas

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He who niggers, faggens
-ancient faggotese saying

>>1284847
It gets the job done, but there are fields where the fleet typhoon wins out.
-2 highslots means you can get both a tractor beam and a drone link augmentor. Nobody else gets this.
-the drone link aug is relevant because you get 125 bandwidth, so a full set of sentries. This kills the frigfag.
-the abundance of lowslots lets you take both ballistic controls and drone damage augs, which is of course relevant because of stacking penalties
-the Typhoon is generally fast for a battleship, which is probably the most important part. You get to have hyperspatials and a nano on top of that.
The Raven Navy feels like it would be more suitable for equipping torps and brick tanking than the typhoons's long range with cruises and sentries build, which is generally more convenient.

>>1285259
>-the Typhoon is generally fast for a battleship
its the 2nd fastest T1 battleship. even if you armor tank it you're still moving fast enough to speedtank rats in most missions and combat sites.
personally i havent used sentries since their dmg was heavily nerfed, and also cuz i fucking hate having to burn to fucking wherever to go and pick them back up again if I'm in a typhoon. they make more sense in a ship that sits still at range like a Dominix or something.

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>>1285263
Just MJD and stay still. If you start taking dmg your MJD should be ready again by that time. Even bouncers can hit small shit going straight at you from 80km becasue lol magic projectile falloff.

>>1285069
before i bought another 4x12 month omega in april assets + isk came to about 210b

>>1285266
>stay still
>in a 1.5km/sec cold no implants battleship
not my style, also at that speed you're going MJD speed anyway.

>>1285294
There's no reason to move if nothing is hitting you.

>>1284365
You pay more for a ship that is equally bad instead of getting an actual good ship. Truly "no-brainer" in a literal sense.

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>>1285310
>equally bad

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I’m considering adding another account and quadboxing
>don’t make it a job
But I’m having fun

>>1285332
But what you are boxing is the question.

>>1285332
There is never enough

it has a laser bonus, fit lasers or you're a fag

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>Higaran ships only use projectile weapons.
pre order refunded

>>1285376
No pulsars, no ion frigs, no BCs?

>All of the SoCT ships have bonus damage to each weapon type
>Except lasers are completely unusable on them because they drain cap while the other weapons don't
I literally cannot even use these ships. My free Praxis is getting slammed on the market the same way today's Gnosis did.

>trading soct when the event introduces gorillion hulls into circulation

>"No anon, don't sell that thing which is completely useless to you, you need it far more than the 35m you got for it"
said the retard, joyfully.

if 35m is something to worry about, you have bigger problems

highsec fags stop posting pls

>"No anon, don't click two buttons for 35m ISK"
said the retard, stupidly.

>>1285659
Gnosis has ample slots and fixing to accommodate lasers.

>>1285698
Meanwhile other weapon types get to use those slots for real things.

>>1285703
Yeah and often still end up with inferior stats.

>>1285687
I know it's you nullgroid. You have no right to talk, the only form of life lower than a miner.

medication

>daily to scan 2 relic sites
>there is a relic site in home
>idea
>scan the site
>log off
>scan the same site
>done
gib sp

The nullfag is immunized to all dangers, insults and rethoric slides off of him like water off a fish.
But call him a taxpayer and see how he recoils, how he panics "I have been found out!"

>wormholer btw

no your a nullgroid

No sweetie. Wormholer is not a personality.

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>he literally pays tax to some tranny and then cheers him on as he brags on Reddit about what he achieved with the nullgroid's money
>he pays tax
>in a videogame
>to some Redditor

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>eve online

nuApoc guy here. This Navy version is the shit, that extra low slow is giving me so much more cap stability that I can bring a repair rig and be way tankier which was my big problem, and the 2x armour size helps a fuck ton. I'm starting to think that my current problem is these stupid fucking tachyon lasers. I dunno what retard here suggested them, but they struggle to hit a BS at 9km even with navy multifrequency crystals and a tracking computer, and that's WHILE they force me to use a powergrid rig. I'm still 12 days out (minus any SP boosts) from T2 pulses, but might just go for T1 pulses over this hot garbage.

>9km
what the fuck are you doing

[Apocalypse Navy Issue, Now]
Large Armor Repairer II
Shadow Serpentis Kinetic Armor Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Thermal Armor Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Multispectrum Coating
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Power Relay
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Tachyon Beam Laser I x8

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

>Current fit
I should be slapping BS's for 1000+ a shot up close, but sometimes I barely scrape 200 damage because these tachyons have negative tracking.

>>1285829
L4 missions? That's how close the ships are getting.

why are you getting them that close

>>1285831
Anon they're flying towards me while I orbit my MTU. Oh, right, I should be flying away in a straight line in a mission where I have to collect 10 militants from a transport I'm forever moving away from. Now post your stupid fucking dog picture like the gaylord you are.

>>1285830
>Tachyon Beam Laser I x8
At least use meta 4 versions.

>>1285830
Ye you shouldn't be at 9km of rats with tachyons, just use pulses or actually kite.

>>1285830
The whole point of the tachyon lasers is that you hit the enemy from 70km away, and you use a micro jump drive and 500mn microwarpdrive to ensure your safety and distance.
Of course, you are using lasers and may be forced to use a 100mn afterburner instead of the microwarpdrive because of the capacitor penalty.
For most missions, 70km is the distance you like to stay at. If you just want to orbit your MTU and let the enemy come in, use pulse lasers like I first told you to.

>>1285842
Ah yes, you, that poster, I should've known by your username.

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>runs missions
>calls someone else a retard

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no your a gaylord

>he can't recognize posters by writing style and content
Not gonna make it, so sorry.

>>1285863
This isnt 2012 anymore mate, pattern recognition isnt what it used to be.

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>>1285834
>Anon they're flying towards me while I orbit my MTU. Oh, right, I should be flying away in a straight line in a mission where I have to collect 10 militants from a transport I'm forever moving away from. Now post your stupid fucking dog picture like the gaylord you are.
The trick to that one is to plant the MTU and destroy the personnel transport first. Then the MTU locks onto the transport and starts drawing it in. While that's going on you are manouvering around and destroying the NPC ships trying to get at you. Then they're dead and you go pick up your MTU.
There's a few missions where you have to pick such things up and generally if you want to blitz the mission rather than full clear it, you use a high damage ship with a tractor beam. The Apoc uses all of its high slots for guns, so the full clear method with the MTU is more suitable.

When I was in smaller groups we were constantly losing assets and being bullied by bigger groups. Got sick of subsidizing my frequent losses with my credit card, so I joined a bloc for the safety and stability to make consistent isk without losing it all as soon as it's made. Pretty simple.

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lol lmao even

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CCP reported an 18.8 million dollar operating loss in 2023 somehow, despite profits being up due to a resurgence in the eve playerbase.

That money ain't going to eve dev, that's for sure.

It's all going to Pearl Abyss

>>1285828
Your Tachs should have a 30-50km range with multifrequency, if not further, why are you trying to use them point blank?

But yeah, go get pulse lasers. They synergize far better with a PvE Apocalypse, the range is already good enough that you should be able to hit most of the room with scorch and have conflag to burn down battleships that are close. You won't need the range Tachyons give you so you might as well enjoy better tracking and higher DPS.

>>1286193
vanguard

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>>1285830
go with Meta 3 or 4 Tachyons instead until you have the skills for Tech2.
replace a Cap Recharger with an MJD
Replace 3 of your Hardeners with a 3rd Heat Sink, a 2nd Tracking Enhancer and a resist Membrane vs whatever rats you're fighting. You dont need that much tank cuz at MJD range you dont need it
you could replace a low or midslot with either a Sensor Booster or a Sensor Amplifier to increase targeting range and targeting speed.
stuff should be dying before it even gets within 50km of you.
by the time it starts closing that distance you can just MJD again.

with an MJD, most PVE content in a battleship or cruiser you only need just enough tank to survive the 9 seconds whatever spool-up time before you teleport to safety.
MJD jumping immediately off cooldown is about the equivilent to going 1.5km/sec if you were flying manually (need to check the math, been a while)
the MJD also protects you from being warp disrupted, as stuff in missions, anoms and combat sigs only warp disrupts and doesnt scram.
drones, you could use Sentry drones down the line but it takes a while to skill train into them, so for now use lights and mediums. put the light drones on any small shit that gets up in your face.
lastly, make the most of carrying multiple types of ammo crystals. laser's strength is instantly changing ammo types, so use it. switch to short range as stuff gets closer

this MJD tactic works with almost any battleship that can shoot out to 100km or more (which is most of them). with an Apoc Navy you can use Multifreq and still hit out to a good 80-90km for about 690dps depending on your skills
down the line, once you have more experience running missions and know what certain ones are like you can start doing riskier, more fun shit like brawling fits.

I started with a long range Raven then eventually moved to a 600m/sec dual-rep armor typhoon. sometimes I jump on a Tempest to 360 no-scope shit with artillery for fun.

hope this helps

>>1286193
they hired a shitload of staff a year or so ago and have been dumping a lot of it into Vanguard.
now that Tarkov's killed itself and all the other AAAs are doing retarded shit to end their companies CCP are in a good position if they make Vanguard good.
last year the report was that Eve was Pearl Abyss's only profitable game and that Black Desert and whatever other fag shit they own were dying

>>1286393
or battlecruiser* meant to write

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>>1286393
>Doing L4s
>Have a spare Tornado
>Ass awful paper DPS, figure it's going to be a piece of shit
>1400mm artillery hits the first battleship, instantly kills it in a single strike
>Realize even though its paper DPS is terrible, the fact that things die in a single volley means they don't repair themselves at all
>Still fly the Tornado from time to time just because it makes me giggle

>>1286415
>the fact that things die in a single volley means they don't repair themselves at all
yeah boi
tempest, tornado, hell even the maelstrom are good for this.
part of the reason why typhoon and navy raven are so good as well is because they 1-shot destroyer/cruiser rats and 1-2 shot battlecruiser rats because they actually apply all of their damage.

ive never tried the tornado though, do you just 100mn it?

>>1286439
Nah, fuck, I don't even do that. Just 10mn AB II with a Medium Shield Booster for every mission that doesn't drop you right on top of webs/scrams. Fly at about 40-70km depending on enemy type and just burst them down.

You can do the Blockade, Assault, etc. just fine with it, just don't try and do Dread Pilot Scarlet since the Serpentis rats have too good of range and you can't speed tank them like Guristas missiles. Against most stuff, maintain speed and range and pulse your booster on and off to keep your shield up, you should be able to destroy most enemies in a single volley.

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>Me after mining isogen for two years

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just regained access to my account that i made over 10 years ago and haven't played on since around 2011ish
what in the flying fuck am i in for?

>>1286469
Most of the content literally hasn't changed at all.

>>1286439
The Mael is deceptive. So many people say go for a Tempest over it, but the Tempest does less damage at levels below 4 (And basically just ties the Maelstrom at level 4) and has a weaker volley at all levels too. The Maelstrom has low speed and bad agility, but as a choice for a PvE ship, I still say it's better for new players than the Tempest: It's easier to tank, easier to fit, and more useful even at low skills.

You can put torps on a Tempest though to push up its DPS even further, which can be a big deal though hard to calculate how much of a bonus it is. Also, the Mael's speed makes it a bad AC platform despite the tank bonus, so the Tempest probably does ACs better than it too.

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They said these upgrades were just placeholders, hopefully the gas upgrade is real, this market needs to crash

>>1286507
No. How else will I solo ninja huff in lowsec? It's easy money and lowsec niggers get some content too. It's a win win.

>>1286534
According to CCP Swift, the expected value of once-lowsec only goods is expected to drop, "but those who live in those areas should still find their time spent valuable."

https://forums.eveonline.com/t/equinox-in-focus-reinvigorating-nullsec/448553/90

>>1286539
>"but those who live in those areas should still find their time spent valuable."

So basically expect less profit for an activity no one does already, got it.

>>1286556
If nobody does it then that's a pretty good reason to change it.
Unironically nerfing lowsec will make lowsec more profitable as it is, because right now it's impossible to do anything in lowsec consistently simply due to it being so populated. Any reduction is a reduction to purely theoretical isk/hr, in practice if it makes people fuck off elsewhere the real isk/hr will be the same or better just because you aren't being interrupted constantly.

Also, CCP needs to stop being fucking retarded and make MORE lowsec. There's just not enough of it to go around. It's fucking impossible to find quiet lowsec outside of Sansha space, and people avoid Sansha space because it's fucking shit.

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>There's just not enough of it to go around

>>1286558
>Hmm, people aren't mining in lowsec because using a barge is suicide and expedition frigates don't have enough asteroid yield, what should we do?
>Maybe we should improve the evasion and survivability of the mining barges?
>Increase mining yield on the frigate mining ships?
>Nah, we'll just add all the valuable things from that part of space to somewhere else

All I'm seeing is that CCP is completely retarded when trying to figure out what to do with their game. "Shit costs too much because no one's going out to get it" is a valid complaint, but now the few people who were going out to brave the space and mine have nothing.

Curiously, despite the price of gas being stupidly high, there's still a lot of gas mining that goes on in lowsec just because the ships you use to do it aren't completely helpless to stay alive. I don't know why that can't apply to a larger class of ship as well.

because you'd die to blops anyway

>>1286562
People aren't mining it in Lowsec because Lowsec is too dangerous and because it's a pain in the ass to find. So CCP move it to a safer space and create a way to spawn it consistently. This is completely logical.
You're under the impression that nullsec and lowsec have distinct populations, which they simply don't. The majority of the people mining it in bulk Lowsec are associated with nullsec blocs, now they'll just mine it in their associated space instead of lowsec.
Giving barges more survivability is utterly irrelevant because you're going to die regardless when some cunt drops a blops fleet on you. The barges dying to solo roamers are an extreme minority.
Ships are too expensive because of lowsec mining bottlenecks and lowsec is overpopulated - ergo, move lowsec minerals to nullsec and solve both problems.

>lowsec is overpopulated
no it fucking isn't. Get out of fw space

>>1286570
I literally intentionally go into FW space because it's unironically safer, nobody fits probe launchers if they're in FW and there's enough targets that nobody is going to fuck around hunting you.
You boomers who still think lowsec is dead need to leave the thread or actually log into the game, it's not 2010 anymore.

>>1286571
is right. I live in a lowsec region

>>1286569
Nah, if Barges could slip away as easily as an Endurance/Prospect and travel through gates on their own without needing a scout or escort, they would be more viable to use outside of high sec and null umbrellas. Making them tougher doesn't help that, making them more survivable by making them capable of evading threats would.

The current mining paradigm of needing to deploy at minimum a Porpoise in bastion and several barges to get anything close to a respectable yield and hold enough ore via compression to not lose most of your time to logistics is what makes lowsec and to some extent j-space mining non-viable. CCP wants mining ops to be a large, sprawling thing with their own defense fleets but because of that, mining fleets are naturally limited to a place where you can find those (NS) or where NPCs handle some of your defense for you (HS). In LS and WH, the threats are far too high and the groups that live there too small to adequately protect any reasonable sized mining fleet, so people have to resort to solo mining in Endurances to have any chance of functioning.

lowsec IS dead if you leave the population centers

Lowsec IS the population center.

>>1286571
FW is actually a great place to mine. Just join a FW group and go to a place where they're active, you can mine the sites all you want and for the most part they'll leave you alone. You don't really get large groups like LSH or PHEW who live in FW space because it's too populated for them compared to having a stranglehold on Aridia/Derelik.

if you only move in FW space maybe. Leave the battlegrounds and the only thing you meet are cyno alts and few people running the niche content

>>1286580
FW space is the best for any kind of non-pvp content simply because there's PvP content on tap so nobody bothers fucking around hunting people. Also, you can just join the PvP faction yourself and suddenly you're blue to the majority of the people there, which gives them even less incentive to fuck with you.

>>1286477
>The Mael is deceptive. So many people say go for a Tempest over i
yeah its a noob trap. 6 guns vs 8, but double dmg bonus on the tempest is a no brainer, plus the 2 utility highs make it better overall.
situations you think a maelstrom's shield boost bonus would be good, the ship fails at

>>1286469
fun
find some shit, make some isk, smash beers anon, welcome back

But you can run the 3XLASB Mael

>>1286558
theres tons of lowsec to go around just fuck off to the boonies and away from FW space and you wont see a soul

>>1286571
this. join a FW militia and fly around the backline systems scanning and huffing, shit's great

>>1286598
whats the point though?
can just MJD in literally anything else instead and use your mids for anything else

>>1286592
Mael is better until you MBS V, after that the Tempest starts to pull ahead. The damage bonus is just huge and it can actually use autocannons which get a huge damage bump when you move to T2 guns. Prior to those though, arty Mael is probably better in most regards because you don't lose out as much DPS using artillery with faction ammo vs autocannons.

>>1286571
>I literally intentionally go into FW space because it's unironically safer, nobody fits probe launchers if they're in FW
yeah thats not true at all, groups are actively probing down each others rendezvous, you'll get caught in the crossfire for sure.

>>1286605
There is literally no use case for a Tempest with faction ammo. There's barely any use case for either the Tempest or Mael, the only semi legitimate one is missions, but you use t1 ammo in missions because if you use faction you'll literally end up being isk negative unless you're going full autist and blitzing only the specific missions you can headshot while juggling standings with multiple agents, but if you're doing that you're going to use a Mach or Barghest.

>>1286611
>you'll literally end up being isk negative
nigga what

>>1286613
Faction projectile ammo is fucking expensive, which is exacerbated by the ROF bonus. Doing missions with faction ammo is retarded unless you're only doing blitzable missions, which someone flying a T1 BS isn't going to be doing.

>>1286611
I use faction with artillery, but I sure as fuck won't use it for Autocannons, Blasters, or Railguns. Arty has such a long cycle time you get a lot of damage per ISK out of faction ammo, but the others burn through a lot of your profits.

You don't really lose money shooting at battleships with faction ammo, but you will notice it take a cut on its own. CN Antimatter is the worst, it's an extra 1k ISK per round and the rate of fire on hybrids is extreme, it can almost cost 100k ISK per battleship kill in my Naga when regular ammo can do it for a tenth of that. When the bounty is only 250-300k to begin with, it's not a good trade.

>>1286615
RF EMP L costs 1200-1300 per round. One npc BS with a 1M bounty is paying way more than just the ammo it takes to kill. And npc battlecruisers are just free money with how squishy they are

>>1286618
It's not a problem with Arty, but with RoF bonused AC's you chew through a whole lot of ammo. Clearing out my home C4 with my Vargur uses close to 100m just in ammo if I let the sites build up, there's no way I'd use faction for missions. T2 ammo is cheaper but the tracking penalty on Hail is ass.

>>1286605
>until you MBS V,
honestly the case for a lot of battleships ey.
having lv5 vs lv4 makes so many random ones pull ahead of others, let alone the Praxis