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guys, how do I PVP as a ranger? I get killed all the time, it's basically impossible to win an encounter if someone isn't like 20 metres away from me
do I just set up traps and camp staying away from doors?
I'm lvl 65, my perks are the footprint, faster reload, faster bow draw, spear/bigger bow dmg
as for my skill i use quickshot and food ration, but seems like it's considered a useless skill so i switched it to multishot like recommended

I started to dislike playing with my friend because I've almost always let him down when it comes to 2vs2 encounters, how do I stop being useless

>>1359613
>guys, how do I PVP as a ranger?
just fucking shoot them lol

>>1359613
Holstering items will make you gain movespeed
Jumping while changing weapons will make your movespeed not decrease
Scan the room through the door's window before opening it like a retard

>>1359613
I always thought ranger was annoying because I’m afraid my duos stepping in my traps

I can't get any kills as a warlock. I'm either fighting a ranged class who deals more damage to me than my spells do to them as we trade pokes, even accounting for the healing I get off of cursing them, or I'm fighting a melee class who just ignores my spells and runs me down and beats me to death because I can't beat their PDR in melee and I die in like 4 hits. Phantomize buys me some time, but they always catch up to me.
I've been trying for hours and I haven't even managed one kill, although I don't even see anyone most rounds.

>>1359675
Been having the same issue. Killing mobs is mind numbingly easy with little risk of dying unless I zone out completely, but as soon as an actual player shows up, I either die to them at range, they run away and try to landmine (rogues), or they charge and kill me in melee. It's getting really tiring cuz I wanna do pvp but I only ever encounter players in 1/10 games and in the rest I just fight 900 skeletons.

>>1359675
>I'm fighting a melee class who just ignores my spells and runs me down and beats me to death
Your flame walker sir? Your hydra/hellfire in chokes sir?

>>1359675
Low gear levels it is probably better to go a melee build, at higher gear levels it is very kiting orientated and does not scale as well as some classes, I've seen some not even wearing a chest to gain more MS. Sure you can plop down a hydra and life drain it, but smarter players will hop over it and smack you in the face. Unless you are around 150 health I would not even run hydra with torture mastery since the cost is so high.

Also warlocks have been common in every lobby for awhile, even newer players tend to know how to fight one as opposed to a wizard.

>>1359719
Wizards are gangster, too bad pve makes me want to commit suicide

>>1359708
>Your flame walker sir?
I don't have the knowledge to afford it in gray gear. Maybe if I had all whites, but that's part of why I'm trying to do these quests.
Currently I'm running CoP, Bolt of Darkness, Hellfire, and Hydra.
>Your hydra/hellfire in chokes sir?
A Hellfire through a doorway delays them for like two seconds, barely longer than actually shutting the door itself, and they can simply crouch jump over the hydra.
>Low gear levels it is probably better to go a melee build
Platelock?

>>1359722
Forgot to link: >>1359719

>>1359722
Hellfire is a meme. Never bother.
Get a longsword and lern 2 parry.

>>1359707
>It's getting really tiring cuz I wanna do pvp but I only ever encounter players in 1/10 games and in the rest I just fight 900 skeletons.
Take the druid pill and just ratjump from room to room ignoring literally everything until you see a player.

>kobolds are fast enough to always be right on your heels even if you run across an entire room with your weapons sheathed
>they are the only non-flying mob in first-level dungeons that can do this aside from spider mummies
>also over half of them have ranged attacks
>can't just kill the kobolds that are directly between you and your destination because the kobold hivemind alerts every fucking one in the room to your location
>every attack from every kind of skeleton slows both your movement speed and your attack/action speed
>this slowing stacks with multiple hits
>rooms with bottomless pits which have flying enemies whose primary attack is a kick that launches you
>this kick also one-shots doors, making it tough to simply shut them in the room behind you
>round-end timer consistently instakills you prematurely
Was Ice Caverns designed specifically to be as big a pain in the ass for players as possible?

Man I wish the solo mm had doubled exploration time. Sucks I can clear like only 3 or 4 rooms before I have to leave.

>>1359754
It used to be worse, there were more kobolds and if one had a tantrum it would aggro multiple, usually the entire module and the next. So if you were by a door a archer would break it down and you would be run down by a dozen of the fuckers.

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And done, wish HR wasn't afk gathering gems and look for grey rats. Don't care enough to farm past this garbage with how much entry costs are

If you had to pick video or two to convince a friend to play with you, what would you choose? I've been trying to get my friends to play for months, and one recently said he hasn't even bothered looking at gameplay. I could show him some jay or yami footage, but they're so cracked at the game I feel like it wouldn't be the realistic experience of a new player.

where do I find gold ore?

>>1359825
In the goblin caves in a room that's only accessible after killing both the cave troll and the cyclops.

I love being a shitass Barbarian
https://files.catbox.moe/fw3nme.mp4

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Is it worth it to not wear armor for the movement speed? I never wear a chestpiece or pants on all my female characters even on high roller

>>1359828
Jesus Christ they couldn't make it more difficult could they, a simple room guarded by a boss wasn't enough?

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Is this worth anything? I don't play bard, but these seem like some nice stats

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>>1359777 (checked)
see >>1359467

>>1359870
I mean if there's some sick bastard bard player that likes parrying and smacking with the flute, sure.

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>>1359906
whoops read that wrong lute not flute

So many empty lobbies on the US servers

>>1359870
I will buy it from you for 200g

How to learn 10-spell wiz?
I tried but it was overwhelming, I only use the five spells I'm used to.
also idk how anyone lands Ice Bolts on people, much less Magic Missile

>>1360049
>I tried but it was overwhelming, I only use the five spells I'm used to
It’s difficult at first you feel overwhelmed by the choice 10 spell gives you. What made it easier for me is having my Q spell wheel all be spells that will slow the enemy like ice bolt, slow, lightning etc. this doesn’t mean that you can’t go other spells like arcane lock but it’s just easier to remember “oh fuck I need to slow this guy press Q. Oh shit I feel pretty safe I don’t need to slow him press E.
My E spell wheel is the classics fireball zap haste invis magic missile. It really helps if you have a condition in your head for when you will use each spell.
>idk how anyone lands Ice Bolts on people, much less Magic Missile
having knowledge for cast speed makes things much easier, make sure you are casting with a spellbook! Ice bolt actually travels pretty fast when compared to fireball. I don’t think there’s anything I can really say besides to practice your aim. I think ice bolt is good far away and close. For magic missile it’s really just useful if someone is running up to you after you made them low from poking them already instead of trying to run away hoping they can kill you first.

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Can someone explain to me the design philosophy behind no killfeed in High Roller?
The way it is now you have no idea what the player name is of who you kill or play with

>>1360077
holy fucking newfag it says on their body what their name is, and on their soul when you take their chestpiece off
it adds to the suspense because you have no information about what's happening in raid and only have your intuition to work off of

PvP in this game makes no fucking sense man I swear
I'm wearing cloth armor and am at 88% move speed but people in plate have 104%
I see a guy getting chased by wolves and run after him, without weapons. He's still fucking faster. Can't even get into range of curse of pain . He turns on me, eats 4 longsword hits and kills me in 3 thrusts of a spear. Still manages to have 25% hp left

What the fuck even is this

>>1360143
What class? Sounds like a Fighter with Second Wind, which is very hard to beat in melee

>>1360144
He was a ranger, I was a warlock
I don't know how much class plays into it, I just do not understand how pvp is meant to work in this game. Half the time people just run away or shoot me with arrows. I can't chase them and I can't compete at range

How this dude got chewed on by 2 frost wolves and still had enough HP to survive longsword hits is beyond me

>>1360147
>How this dude got chewed on by 2 frost wolves and still had enough HP to survive longsword hits is beyond me
The frost wolves deal shit damage, especially if their attacks only land on a player's limbs. Sometimes I fuck up while fighting them and get bitten, and I only lose like 10% health, and I'm just wearing cloth/leather armor.

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>duo warlocks just circle around the boss room
>deal damage and they just phantomize
>by the time they're out of phantom they're full health again
>this goes on for like 7 minutes until they fuck up and eat a molly at a bad time
>cant loot their corpses because looting now takes a minute to open up a corpse

>tell a guy there's a mid gear score of 25-124
>um ackshually this article says there's only 0-24 and 25+
>no, I'm telling you bro it's an actual thing
>still doesn't believe me for the next three games even though we geared to that level and everyone we checked in lobby had sub 125 gear score
I swear, some people just don't want to believe their own eyes

Brought in my stinky stick and everyone was in awe of me gassing the pregame lobby.

Its dogshit btw, cloud does not move as zombie gas, dont think it hurts pve and says it does 6dps but feels more like 2

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>>1360214
The stinky stick stinks ?

>>1360200
This is why the gear brackets need to be announced by devs. Keeping shot behind discord and the reddit “community” is just being lazy and irresponsible. I initially assumed this was a huge shitpost to get more newbies to crush for the purple geared nutjobs.

Is anyone here demigod? What was your strategy? I see alot of outdated guides on utube and want to get demigod for once now that I got alot of time off work

Fun fact, if you crouch down next to the side of a chest and lean forward, you can put your head through it and see the inside. If it's a mimic, you'll see the teeth/mouth insides rather than an empty chest interior. Good way to quickly check a lot of chests if you're trying to kill mimics for a quest.
It's more reliable with larger chests since the smaller they are, the more likely that something like a pebble on the ground next to them can make you slightly too high for your head to clip through the lid, but it's technically possible with every type of chest, even small ones.

>new patch at 2am

>>1360280
>stinky stick buffs
Holy fuck bros we were just talking about it…

>>1360285
Imagine if they made it just release clouds periodically instead.
Put it on a druid and go plague rat.

>Druid attacks that are triggered beforehand will no longer register a hit after Dreamwalk is triggered.
This is a major balance change. Damn. Druids are gonna be seething.
>A simple version of the quest log that can be checked in-game has been added.
Finally...

They nerfed the fuck out of druid lol
Druid was already the class I wanted to fight against most in solos too, they were usually free kills

>When a Druid attacks in Rat form, the hit slow duration has been changed from 1s 0.1s, and the movement speed reduction has been changed from -20% -1% for the target.
>When a Druid attacks in Chicken form, the hit slow duration has been changed from 1s 0.25s, and the movement speed reduction has been changed from -20% -3% for the target.
Were fucking rat and chicken attacks a big problem or something? Why is this even necessary? Trying to attack an enemy in either of those forms is just asking to be one-shot anyway.
>Panther silence now only lasts for 0.1 seconds, and requires an ability that has 30 second cooldown
Why bother with the silence at all at this point? 0.1 seconds is fucking nothing. 0.5 seconds was already not much.

>>1360309
0.1 seconds of Silence is still enough that it'll stop you casting if you were casting. It's basically just an interrupt.

>>1360285
Single handedly triggered the telemetry by brining into a lobby lole

>>1360285
>damage increased, but no longer scales
Is the damage enough to make up for it?

Did anyone make an LFG discord? It'd be nice to do some duo/trios and try to kill some bosses

>>1360327
Most players just use the official Dark and Darker Discord.
Unless you mean specifically for this thread, in which case kill yourself. Just drop your name in the thread if you want to try to group up with people and see if you get any bites.

>>1360330
The official discord sucks ass in my experience, all I usually find is stoners baked out of their mind or tryhard ragers. Why is a thread discord bad for this? It's better than in-game voip.

>>1360088
well me and someone killed each other at the same time so i'll never know who that arab fuck was

>>1360143
take off your clothes nigger, they're pointless you just need gloves and boots

>>1360314
thats retarded fucking bullshit, so you have to perfectly time your important 30 second cooldown skill to maybe interrupt a spell that takes 1 second to cast anyway?

>>1360339
"That's bullshit that I have to time my parries"

Honestly I'm in favor of being smacked in the dick interrupting spellcasting no matter what

>>1360334
>Why is a thread discord bad for this?
Dedicated thread/general Discords always erode the quality of the general until either the former is unrecognizable or the latter collapses entirely.
I've seen it happen multiple times before.
If you really need VOIP besides the game's, you can use something anonymous like talky.io.
Isn't the game's voice chat fine as long as you're on party mode rather than proximity mode, though?

>>1360342
You don't have to time parries though, that's a bad comparison. You just hold your sword in parry mode and if the enemy hits it, you get the parry. You can hold it in parry mode as long as you like.

How long are the servers down for? Just got home and was itching to play

>>1360346
should be up in like 3 minutes unless they announce an extension

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Am I supposed to be swinging my camera around to attack faster like Chivalry?

>>1360349
Against pve, sure. But it doesn't seem like it would be that useful in pvp

>>1360353
I saw a guy in the pre game lobby doing spinning sword sweeps hitting many people at once wasnt sure how practical it actually is

>>1360355
Most cases not really, with the morning star if you attack, jump and drag the attack down while falling down you can hit heads behind hunched back heater shields, been farming others with that forbidden tech

>>1360359
Fuck all these tricks that easily bypass shields. I switched to slayer after getting an axe to the noggin the Nth time after attempting the a block from an axe skeleton. Let’s not talk about how many times players magically bypass the shield too. Shielding is a meme until they stop clipping tricks and impact jank. Or make the damn shields larger if they are lazy.

>>1360364
Well the trick he is describing isnt a clip, he is actively jumping to get around your shield, which requires you to be more active with your defense. If shit actually clips through your shield that is an issue though

>>1360366
Yes weapons clip through shields at times. It’s bullshit. Good on him if he hit around the shield model but when it goes THROUGH a fucking heater shield I just rage. Might as well play the dodging game instead and have the movespeed back.

>>1359828
Is it doable solo?

>>1360384
Idk, probably, I keep getting killed while learning how to fight them so I haven't done it yet

Fuck, I keep getting kill cucked by NPCs
>trying to get five pvp kills in Crypt
>a barb rushes me while I'm clearing mobs
>get a few good hits on him
>he gets shot in the back by a skeleton archer and dies
>find a ranger a little bit later after getting into a confrontation with a fighter who ran away
>ranger also runs away from me, and i have no range to slow him down
>chase him into a pit filled with skeletons
>we're both bouncing on the skeleton's heads, and I get a few punches in on him
>he gets sliced by a sword skellie and dies

>>1360396
>losing a 2v2 with a cleric and bard
>bard dies before I go down
>kill feed says the cleric did it
It gets worse bro. Fuck smite.

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>see an enemy player in a room
>kill one single kobold on my way in to fight him
>kobold didn't even have time to do his retard dance
>still end up with every fucking kobold in the entire room on my ass as I'm trying to fight this guy as they all psychically know where I am
FUCK
KOBOLDS

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>>1360445
>get the drop on a player
>push them into a room full of kobolds
>they run around the entire room and pull a train, nice
>player runs past me
>literally fucking all of them switch aggro to me even though I didn't even attack any of them and the player didn't go invisible or anything
>player kills me while I'm trying to deal with the four kobold archers and a shield giant that were supposed to be hassling HIM
Okay, I see. It's just me specifically that the game hates.

>>1360392
just buy the gold ore and turn it into ingots noob

>its 8am
>decide to queue up for some troll/cyclops farming
>first game
>literally only me and 1 other guy
>its a warlock with a pickaxe
>he teabags at me
>assume he's friendly and just wants to mine gold in the middle
>game starts and I go to troll
>I kill it and start to loot the pile cuz I don't feel like dealing with a potential fight mid of the bosses with the lock
>hear foot steps
>warlock rushes down with a proc pot and hits me with some curses
>scare him off by just turning into a panther
>i go back to loot
>he comes back
>repeats 2 more times and I decide to just fuck off at an extract
actual phsyco's man

>>1360487
>people are PvPing are in the PvP game

bossing is the biggest noob trap
bossing in norms gives SHIT loot and bossing in HR just results in getting rolled by a juicer team

>>1360511

yea mining 1.3k gold per two boss kills is a noob trap

also i am the juicer team that kills you so yea kinda true

>>1360524
>mining 1.3k gold
Not to mention if a pelt drops that's another 4k.

>>1360524
eh I mean 1.3k but it takes 10 minutes
kind of small potatoes when you can get that much from a single gear piece

i want to kill mobs, loot chests, find secrets, kill players, and extract.

sucks that the first 3 start to disappear from players minds throughout the season.

>>1360566
sorry but most of us already have the maps memorized and none of that interests us anymore

Are drums still a better throwing weapon than franciscas/knives?

>>1360567
>"already have the maps memorized"
>look inside
>it's 1 path for every spawn in goblin caves which is the only map they queue

>warlock
>fighter I'm fighting refuses to push me
>half the fight I have 1 HP left and I still end up pecking him to death
He was in 25+, but he seemed fairly new. He also fought my hydra and walked through my Hellfire like a retard.

>>1360571
They do more damage but take up more inventory space I think. There used to be a meta where everyone would throw drums but it stopped for some reason even though people should be able to still.

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Done and dusted.

Now back to playing normals

>>1360577
well yeah I'm trying to spawnrush efficiently here

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>naked rogue rushes my spawn in Howling Crypts within 20 seconds of the match starting
>aggros all the skeletons in the room
>opens the door to my spawn room despite me not having made any sound whatsoever and stealths
>all the skeletons immediately aggro me and bodyblock me while beating me to death

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>>1360586

>>1360583
What’s Best way to print AP in your opinion

>>1360588
You actually just got fucking shit on noob it’s that simple

>>1360607

Trio ice caves on NA east, empty lobbies lole, anyone who joined just dodged us since we had giga gear

>>1360611
Yeah, by the mobs.

>>1360607
oh yeah also buy legend ornate jazarans drop them to the squire gear shitters in the lobby, kill them and they turn looted for 20ap per slot for selling

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>escaped already, spectating a fighter
>he's low on health and pinned into a hole by a skeleton, although it can't reach him
>he pokes it to death, 30 seconds left
>portal in the next room
>he spends 10 seconds at the door drinking potions and ale, which I thought was a weird choice
>he might still make it though
>walks into the portal room
>immediately killed by ranger trap
>the ranger himself wasn't even in the dungeon anymore

>run goblin caverns for solo quests
>spawn safely in the outer parts of the map
>meet no one and successfully complete them
Today was an okay day.

Where do I see that new in-game quest log the patch notes mentioned?

>>1360666
Top left. Keybind is the L key by default.

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>block attack with longsword
>miss my riposte

>be me, base gear wearing warlock with cloth
>Move speed = 96%
>Watch video of some guy
>Warlock wearing plate (took the skill)
>Move speed = 106%

I don't understand

>>1360707
Perks on the armor probably?

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>spend 10 minutes wandering the dungeon, trying to come across even a dead mob trail left by another player so I have a chance of maybe fighting ONE person
>either don't find anyone at all or find someone and die in 30 seconds
>have to do it all over again

>>1360482
That's what I did, but I need to kill the cyclops for the last goblin quest and I want to beat the troll so I can try and get some pelts

>>1360764
Real. I want to get into HR but need more experience doing PvP in norms. Despite wandering through a dozen modules I can't find players most of the time, even in full lobbies. And whenever I do find someone they just kill me before I can properly engage.

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What class do you play, and why?

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>>1360810
i fell into the class in the first release. i think i'll give all classes a good try in the next wipe but damn i want quests to be account-based

>>1360810
>What class?
Warlock
>Why?
Because I get hit a lot so free healing keeps me from dying to goblins and skeletons

>>1360810
Druid.
Primarily the sense of security and freedom. I never have to PvE if I don't want to (except sometimes in Ice Caverns, fuck Ice Caverns) and I know I can escape from almost any situation. At least, my odds of escape are way better than any other class. Add onto that the ability to parkour up to high places with chicken, bonk people with bear, hassle people with treant and thorn barrier, and heal any damage I might take with healing spells that recharge at a decent pace even when not using a campfire to rest, and it's just the most fun and comfortable out of any class I've played so far.

>>1360834
This is true. The flexibility of a druid is extremely nice. They've got a great kit to mess with.

>cleric clearly misses and somehow taps my arm
>his follow deletes the rest of my hp
that makes absolutely no fucking sense

>>1360764
You unironcially have to learn all the spawns. This was my experience starting out too

>>1360810
I put most of my time into rogue mainly because of the invisibility. Its one of the best classes to fuck with people. I'd play druid but the default girl is so fucking ugly. I also like the poison skill, I find it very underrated.

>>1360983
Is there no map anywhere that just has all of them marked? I've tried searching for one myself, but no luck.

this game is so fucking hard, I die to fucking goblins, I'm on top of leaderboards in fps games and was quite good in mordhau, but at this game I'm straight trash and can't get why

is druid good for solo?

>>1360987
>I'd play druid but the default girl is so fucking ugly
equip female elf skin

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>>1361000
Maybe when I get enough blue shards in a year

>>1360993
What's your playtime? I finally learned how to be good at PvE but I still lose almost every PvP fight.

>>1361003
Im horrible at PvE but pretty decent at PvP

>>1360997
One of the best.

>>1361003
20 hours, I barely extract, I can kill mobs if it's only one, but as soon as I enter a room and aggro multiple ones, I already know I'll die. I can't get used to the movement system and combat system, I feel like I don't have control over my character.

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Fucking finally.
Fuck this asshole.

>>1361034
Why are his quests so fucking hard?

Steam had me update the game again, any idea what it was?

>>1361053
Same, and when I was in-game immediately before that it told me the connection terminated abnormally and forced me to restart the game.
No idea what the update was, though. The patch notes didn't change.

>>1361034
Imagine doing it on wizard. I’m on the last one and I want to kill myself

>doing the last quests so you can buy randomly rolled purple gear
but why?

>>1361108
To finish the game

As a miserable god gamer, which class should I play in this game to prove my divinity and valour?

>>1361117
wizard, only grey gear

>>1361108
I still dont understand this concept, is it cheaper than purple gear from player trading? Dont you have to craft them too? I never got too far in the quests

>>1361116
you finish the season by reaching demigod
anything else is f2p cope

What the point of armor? even with full plate gear, I get shanked to death with a rouges dagger before my weapon has time to land, What am I missing here? Shoudnt plate allow you to tank a few hits, especially from a dagger?

>>1361138
I never wear armor and literally run naked unless the movement speed negative is nothing

High roller needs a complete rework. As it stands now, people can just join empty servers and farm to demigod by cheesing the horrible PvE

>>1361180
Good. Fuck fighting against sweatlords who make it their life purpose to flex in a game like this. I want the content I paid for that is, the cosmetics I will be getting from the leaderboard content.
It SHOULD be something available to normal folks without forcing them to no-life this game.

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>>1361183
No it fucking shouldn't. Its normal for games to offer unique rewards for players actually good at it.
The leaderboard as it is now is nothing but a metric of playtime. The worst system that can possibly exist

>>1361192
>unique rewards for players actually good at it
At what? The PvP content? Then get an arena mode you crying baby.
The default gameplay is PvPvE. Its entirely legitimate to simply want to grind out some cosmetics. Investing time and energy into a game while not turning turning every round into a battle royale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yle_4bnxSk
tl;dw donate $5 to St. Jude during Onepeg's block of the gcx charity stream and you'll get a code for an orange/yellow/cyan torch, apparently made by sdf himself

>>1361199
High Roller and especially a leaderboard implies there is some metric of skill expected and involved, there is no skill at all involved as it currently stands.
The least they could do is ensure lobbies are getting filled in these supposed ranked matches, but really the way its calculated has to change

>>1361120
>is it cheaper than purple gear from player trading
Probably sometimes, though I imagine it would depend on what the gear in question was. Some items fetch a much higher price than others on the market.
>Dont you have to craft them too?
There are armors you can craft like cobalt, copper, gold, etc, but higher affinity causes the merchant to start selling higher rarity normal armors and weapons that you can just buy as well, same way you'd buy gray stuff from them.

>>1361221
PVPer mad cuz players who repeatedly defeat monsters and bring in treasure get more rewarded than randomly murdering people in the dark. You know, like how guilds reward adventurers? Can’t wait for Arena to separate the ultra bloodthirsty to their own ladder.

>>1361231
No I never said shit about PvP you're the shitter who keeps crying about it. They can remove PvP entirely from high roller I dont care, they just need to make it a reflection of skill and not playtime. This shit is for mouthbreathing retards like you

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>>1361205
12:00AM-4:00PM EST Monday is when it will be available

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>>1361259
>pride torch
Gee, thanks white people.

>>1361002
Who knows, Iron Mace may fuck something up and give players blue gems as apology. It's happened a few times in the past

>>1361259
I would not pay $5 for this.

>>1361136
Ranked is fucking retarded in a dungeon crawler

>>1361314
Its PvP first, dungeon crawler second. Any good PvP game adds ranked.

>>1361205
Do I have to actually watch Onepegged? No deal.

I miss the swarm like you wouldn't believe

>>1360345
If you just hold the parry button like a retarded ape, people are going to attack where your parry isn't.

>>1361393
It's also a bad comparison because you can parry multiple times very quickly as much as you want all day long, whereas Panther's frenzy doesn't last very long and is on a 30-second cooldown. If you fuck up timing your parry by doing it too early/late you can simply try again immediately, but if you fuck up trying to use Panther to interrupt ONE spell cast then the ability is basically shot for the rest of the encounter.

There's no point playing this dogshit nigger game until the balance actually gets addressed, but that gook faggot SDF doesn't care about it so it's never happening. PvP is decided entirely on which player spent the most on an RMT kit and is playing the FotM class. If you aren't playing strictly to the meta, you can get raped and die, because every other weapon will swing faster, have quicker recovery, and slow you less.

What's the wipe schedule in this game? Also, can you earn blue shards as f2p?

Is there any place where I can find all the loading screen artworks?

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>A and B genders
Gee, thanks white people.

What is the in lore reason a druid would go into dungeons and get loot? Aren't they like treehuggers?

>>1361491
what's wrong with being more inclusive?

>>1361493
I don't know if this game has any lore or if it's just vaguely inspired by dnd, but you can justify it by assuming druids are just mages that specialized in summoning and shapeshifting, and not necessarily protectors of nature. What I want explained is the skeleton race, some advenmtures are just waliing skeletons and nobody cares? It's implied that in the world of DaD some people are just skeletons?

>>1361501
>and not necessarily protectors of nature.
in the class select their subtitle is literally "nature's protector"

Just found out wizard spells like magic missile count as a projectile and most mobs have resist to both. This means something like Frost Wyvern has like 86% resist to their spells. I was wondering why the fuck it took me over 5 cast of arcane missile to kill a skeleton champ, who rolls this garbage class?

>>1361541
Me

>>1361496
It's not true inclusiveness. I don't identify as an A. I'm Male.

>>1361348
I hate you.

>>1361560
I identify as a male but I picked the B body, what's your deal?

I'm done, I quit this game, I don't find it fun, just addicting and frustrating, unless something radically changes I don't think I'll come back. Goodbye.

>>1361570
Filtered jk I’ve also been coming back to it less desu these niggas suck they need to add more shit when they update

>>1361567
i like playing cute girls too sometimes in my online games

>>1361572
Different anon, but it's not even about adding more stuff, it's about the existing content being horrendously balanced and then the devs listening to the dumbest group of retards in the world, while the lead dev outright says he doesn't care about balance. Someone needs to beat some sense into him because otherwise by the time they do start caring about balance, there's not going to be anyone left.

>Static maps, no exploration, everything is known, optimal farming routes
>Class balance completely non-existent, warlocks have infinite HP and spells, clerics are more dangerous than Fighters in melee, Rogue only has a singular viable playstyle which is boring to play and frustrating to play against, Ranger has functionally infinite ammo still, Druid majorly overloaded with features compared to other classes, Wizard completely dogshit
>Cheating and RMT absolutely rampant but nothing being done to combat it
>Private streamer discord still dictates development direction
>Private trading discords used for all high-end items to shield RMT and keep items to a small group of players

The game desperately needs actual attention paid to balance and for the talent trees to arrive so that there is actually room for classes to get stuff that isn't being crammed into an overly restrictive 4 perks and 2 skills. They also need to have dynamic maps that change layout, randomized loot placement, mob variations, hell even stuff like map events would be nice to shake things up.

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>>1361491
They changed it in playtest 4

>>1361698
>Why change this?
to trigger chuds like you apparently

>>1359851
>please leave me alone
easy way to get killed

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Is there another wizard kill quest? Feel like more people have been W keying me lately, including two rangers which is odd since they typically like to bunny hop around their own traps.

>>1361334
That's why it's retarded and part of the problem with the game. It should be a dungeon crawler first and foremost. Turning the game into a PvPfest where killing players is the best way to get the best loot completely invalidates actually exploring the dungeon for loot. The pvp is so janky and crappy that I'm not sure why sweat lords took to the game as much as they did.

>>1361462
you get a blue shard after 25/50/100/200/... extracts, the counter resets every wipe but you keep the shards. You can see your progress bar somewhere in the shop
I think there's a wipe every 2 or 3 months, not sure first wipe here

>>1361725
Jank and/or shit combat tends to bring in the scummy folks who like to abuse every buggy bit of shitcoded game that they can.

>>1361725
everything is janky and unfinished, and the devs themselves don't agree on what the game should be in the first place

>>1361725
Giving too much importance to PvP brings in extremely competitive sweatlors even if the core game is not meant to be that, and even if the PvP is janky and unfinished, they just end up abusing every mechanic or bug they can to gain 0.1% of advantage, like >>1361744 said, and in the end the devs are forced to cater to these players more and more until they eventually kill the game completely. This game shouldn't have come out for at least another year, after the core game was laid out clearly and after some serious polishing, with early access used only for final balancing and maybe extra maps.

>>1361306
>>1361259
the only reason to get this is they will definitely not balance and patch it as time passes and will probably have many exploits.
You're already seeing that with other torch skins being brighter than others

>>1361725
Every complaint you could possibly have with the PvP, the PvE is 100x worse. You have to be special needs to want to play this game in empty servers

>>1361491
>>1361698
This shit wont last much longer, trust me.

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>>1361662
No nigger you're getting a gay torch, AB gender options safe for autistic crossdressing incels, and player houses to spend your goybux on!~

>>1361756
The bosses are fine, at least the cyclop is fleshed out, you have to learn his moveset, but it's how pve games work, the problem is the fucking combat system, that is complete ass in this game

>>1361767
Hope you check out a real single player game some time, the shit you like about DaD is low effort high school project

>>1361756
I'd pay 60 bucks for a clone of this game without other players, or at least for a game that punishes being a fucking retard that kills every player they meet for no reason, like >>1359851.

I've done a lot of thinking on how to fix high roller
Here are two small things they can instantly change to improve it:
1. Never start a match until the server is full
2. Add 1 item somewhere on the map that gives the most AP that players would compete for, perhaps something you have to hold in your hands and have to extract with, unable to put in your inventory or fight with

>>1361770
The entire game is a low effort high school project, and the fact that it has 30k active players is a prime example of how fucking rotten the game industry is right now, which is why I hope dungeonborne kills this mess, that game is at least made with some professionality

>>1361778
I love a lot of things about dungeonborne, and at the surface the combat seems a lot better. But it just feels way too arcadey, if they go a more realistic approach maybe I can see it happening

>>1361777
At the end screen there is a multiplier, have player kills give you .2 multiplier per kill on top of their base AP depending on rank. so you kill two players you get 1.4 more AP.

This would heavily incentivize PvP, but I suspect they are holding off on to many PvP AP changes until arena. That may be the eventual PvP mode and dungeons being the AP farm mode.

>>1361778
fuck, hunt showdown has fewer players than DaD? a double A game made by a proper game studio, with proper mechanics, a super cool fucking concept, art design, level design, actual work being put into it and decent marketing, is less known than this korean pile of shit that looks like it was made in 2010? This is why the world is falling apart

>>1361787
That would forever ruin dungeons why even play this slop?

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I can't tell if I really enjoy this game or I'm just picrel. I typically only play normals to fuck around and goof off. I tried a some highroller today and it felt kinda the same except with more sweats

>>1361761
Anon trust me I guarantee I am more racist and homophobic than anyone else in this thread by miles, but man there are battles that just are not worth the effort to get annoyed at. Awareness is important, but there are more important and pressing things to spend your emotional effort on. Build communities of likeminded people, find the good parts of life, create systems that the kikes cannot touch.

>>1361787
>>1361777
>More PVP
So you mean an even greater incentive for cheating, teaming, and general niggering

>>1361815
How will this get Dark and Darker to fulfill its potential?
>>1361817
You can remove PvP entirely and still keep these changes. There needs to be some sort of skill involved to get on the leaderboard or reach the highest ranks, thats my whole point. Go play Skyrim if you want a boring game where you left click static health sponges retard.

>>1361812
I just started playing high roller and its a lot more fun, I feel so much more tense even when im the only player in the lobby. Maybe the gameplay might be more boring, slowly opening chests killing mobs, checking every corner for an enemy player but in the moment its a lot more fun

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They really should add the character name of sellers on the marketplace. A small change like this would make it so much more enjoyable and immersive to use.

>>1359851
Players like you are the reason why this game will die. That dude will probably quit and never come back, slowly only people like you will remain until you don't have any more seals to club and you quit too.

>>1361841
Lol I'm going out of my way to kill more shitters after being friendly now just because of this post. Fuck you faggot

>>1361843
Please keep going, I hope this game dies and if you speed things up I'm mlre than happy

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>>1361845
Good. Keep crying faggot. If I was that barb I'd like the game more. These are the only moments to play the game for, I've been on the receiving end of both and loved it. Why do you expect other players to be nice to your fragile ass when there is no incentive to do so?

>>1361789
Before it went free on steam it had around 7k players per day. Also Hunt is getting hard casualized in august, the games can be shit together.

The game was so fun before AP shit was added. IM nuked the population with bad decisions before AP came out and that killed finding pug groups and hasn't recovered since.

We need a random queue option because fuck streamers and people with friends. The game falls apart in every way when you fight teams who are fully prepared and stacked.

>>1361822
>PvP
>Skill
Anon you know as well as I do that the vast majority of PVP comes down to who had the most unbalanced class and the most expensive kit

>>1359870
Unironic BiS for sub-25 lobbies for Bards, purple lute with Reinforced Instruments is the cheese

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based dungeonborne

>>1361864
Are you fucking illiterate? I said they need to make high roller and the leaderboard based on skill not playtime, then I listed two ways they can achieve this that has nothing to do with PvP. Something needs to change drastically as is

do stinky stick clouds damage teammates?

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>>1361772
>>1361841
Seethe more

>>1361848
I roleplay as a friendly druid and help others kill monsters, never killed anyone, and if someone tries to kill me I just stay still and wait to return to nature, In don't have any loot on me anyway

>>1361886
holy shit, treating your userbase with respect? Ironmace could never

>>1361907
I love their little jabs at DaD

they're a little cheeky but you can at least see they attempt to better improve on decisions DaD have already made

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>>1361910
too bad the core gameplay doesnt feel as tense or interesting. Not a big fan of the stat perk system, not a whole lot of room for player expression, which is ironic since the character customization blows DaD out of the water

>>1361886
what I have to 'buy' DaD with ingame currency?
I can't just use money from my steam wallet to buy it?

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Why do different dungeons have different dungeon entry fees?
What the fuck are howling crypts anyway? Is that the Forgotten Castle? Does Forgotten Castle not have a high roller entry fee?
These menus are so fucked up

>>1361916
Because then you can’t refund it

>>1361912
I can agree with you on that but DaD did make it a long way from first releasing EA to now. So equally once this game releases you should mentally perceive it as like DaD just releasing today - many updates to come...

I actually took the survey for the playtest and one of the questions was if players would prefer more fantastical displays of combat or more realism (strange as it might sound, DaD has a better sense of realism in comparison) I wonder if they will take that to heart and make it that way.

>>1361923
But you can tag sales of extras for your games on steam as non-refundable too.

>>1361941
dungeonborne will be a normal paid game that you'll buy and can refound through steam, DaD is a fake f2p that you can only buy through microtransactions that can't be refunded, which is honestly pretty scummy, the DB Devs are making fun of it

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AP, leaderboards, level, fame, quests, gear, stats rolls, bluestone shards, inventory space, and gold are all addiction systems made to trick your brain into thinking grinding = fun. The only fun aspect of this game is killing other players, hence once you learn basic PvE the only right way to play this game is to spam queue stock loadout and run through the maps looking for PvP. If you care about anything else you are intentionally enslaving yourself to your computer.

>>1361900
Probably.
I don't think there are any damaging attacks or effects in the game that specifically ignore teammates.

>>1361967
HOLY BASED

>>1361980
Arcane Shield's blast doesn't damage friendlies.

>>1361918
Wasn't Forgotten Castle that open-air map featured in one of the playtests that has now been removed?

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>9PM - 1AM PST
>$5 donation for torch skin
I kind of wish they made it burgundy to match the actual St Jude colors.
RYB just looks like a cheap tie dye.
https://x.com/IronmaceGames/status/1812107203052020188

>>1362139
I wish they would show an image of what the torch actually looks like in-game.

>collector quest
>just give me 4 wolf fangs
>6% drop rate from wolves
This is pretty BS ngl. Losing motivation on these RNG shit. Doesn't help that some warlock can wreck me and take my shit too.

>>1362173
Do yourself a favor and start collecting everything for every quest ahead of time. Stuff like the wolf fang quest was fine for me because by the time I got to the quest I'd already saved up five or six of them just from all the wolves I'd killed naturally before that.

This doc has a handy list of every quest item at the top, but is slightly out of date so a few quests aren't on there: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JX7y6MHHL9gqEBSIjAwXdlBMAUm8IR0UA0d01kbyh6Q/edit
The wiki page is fully up to date, but doesn't have a concise list of every item you need for every quest: https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Quests

>>1362181
Yeah I saved up and only had 2 by the time I got this far. And today I keep spawning on the bottom-left of the map. I only reached Wolf Cave once, got ambushed by a Rogue, which I killed because fuck that guy, and he didn't even have any wolf loot. RNG needed to spawn near the wolves AND get out quickly before PVP interrupts you.

>>1362186
*bottom-right, rather. bah I'm taking a break and playing monochrome fantasy instead.

Speaking of Warlocks, are Slayer Fighters just a bad match up against them if they use Plate and Demon Form? Can't kill em with range fast enough and can't rush em while they are demon.

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>Instrument gear barely accounts for any GS
>Take bard perk that increases instrument damage by 50%
>Purple lute doing close to 100 damage on headshots on dummy in under 25 gs lobbies

Surprised this has not been patched out yet, I never see other bards do this but I do rarely see them in solos for w/e reason.

>>1362208
no one plays bard.
but as a squire gear lobby player that is the only reason I've considered rolling one.

>>1362208
What about drums? With under 25 GS you'd still be squishy in melee, but you could chuck drums from relative safety.
How many purple drums could you carry?

Why does IM allow Warlocks to use plate? that's the dumbest shit. balancing where?

>>1362208
because most people who can figure that out also have the brain power to realize going into low gear lobbies with purples gets you laughably sad loot and pvp.

Which one of you fags is BidenCrackHeadSon and YourDadsLifePartner? It was fun killing you guys

>>1362040
It was in the game for most of early access. They recently removed it because they are shit eating bitches who can't stand fun

>>1362272
All of my characters have names that sound like actual D&D character names.

>>1362281
That shit would be so fun with Druid's chicken form. It's a shame Druids have basically no ranged options, but you could still drop bears onto people's heads.

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Druids should get a horse/pony form which has boosted movespeed and can carry an ally on their back, but can't fit through doorways while carrying someone. The ally can attack while mounted, but has a partially restricted turning radius.

>>1362282
Same, I try to make actual names for my characters. I hate seeing fags with names like "VotchTTV" or the aforementioned crackheadson and lifepartner. The latter was a ranger who was talking shit in the lobby and started talking even more shit when we ran into him. Killed his buddy almost instantly then my friend chased him around the bottom floor of Goblin Town as he kept shouting "kite the retard." We cornered him and teabagged him good once he died

How do you play Rogue in duos?
seems like a solo class

>>1362301
Try to flank while your teammate keeps them distracted. Use your teammate to bait them past you while you stealth then hit them in the back. Try to split up the duo by kiting one of them away and peppering them with throwing knives. It is pretty difficult to do, honestly. Especially when you can't get your friend to help you set up ambushes because he isn't paying attention to foot steps and positioning and immediately w keys into the enemy as soon as he sees them.
t. lost a lot of duos as rogue with a fighter friend

>>1362301
Flanking with creep + ambush + hide + stacking AP through dagger mastery is more powerful than you probably think

Which mono-class team do you think would be strongest in duos/trios?

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>go to highroller
>it's all warlocks and rogues

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Love seeing shit like this

>>1361967
yes, and you should play another game that has better and funnier PvP, and doesn't employ these addiction mechanisms

>>1362291
So basically they can't move anywhere considering how small and grid-like the maps are

>>1362291
ruined Fable

So how do I actually 1v1 with druid? I'm assuming I jump in with panther -> get a few hits -> run away? then bear form if they try to all in? feels like I just die no matter what in panther form

>>1362360
It would be mainly useful for fights within a single module.
I just think it would be unbalanced if they could go through doors while mounted, because it would mean the both of them could cover ground really fast even across multiple modules.

>Trying to solo boss
>Barbarian decides to try to kill me midfight

Ok then

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forgot webm

>>1362356
Brutal.

>>1362410
Personally, I only ever use panther if the enemy is just fully turned tail and running away, so I can hit their back while keeping up with them. Otherwise, I rush in with mouse form and attack almost solely with bear form because, like you say, panther's 60% health combined with druid already not being very heavily armored results in you dying in just a few hits.
Some enemies are just retards who try and fight me while I'm in bear form; they're easy kills.
Some enemies are smarter and don't completely turn tail and run, but will try to keep their distance/kite my bear form. Even if I transform right next to them, bear is too slow to hit them if they continue backing up. In that case, I try and box them in via positioning with rat/panther+chicken. If they're trying to kite you, run past them under their feet and turn into a bear, forcing them to change direction. Try and corral them up against a wall to restrict their movement, allowing you to get a hit in. Go human form and summon a treant to split their attention and make it harder for them to keep track of where you are in rat form, then pop up behind them as a bear. Most rooms are not wide-open spaces, they've got narrow parts and obstacles and corridors ending in doors. Push the enemy up against these as they try to kite you. Remember that you only need a few bear M2s on most enemies to drop them, but in bear form you can survive taking more than a few hits from them.
Another option is to simply back off and come back later. They can't possibly chase you if you're ratjumping through doors, so lose them and then creep back up on them as a mouse. At some point they will be fighting a mob or two, and you can run up and ambush them like a rogue.

>>1362410
>>1362435
My biggest problem while using this strategy is players who have a shield or a longsword and are smart enough to block with them. The bear's attacks have a fuckhuge hitbox, which means they're easy to block if the opponent actually tries to. In this case, either split their focus using treants or other mobs in the environment, or simply go human and try to carefully poke them with a spear. Or, you know, just give up and go find a different opponent. They can't chase you, after all.
Other dangerous opponents are warlocks and bards. Bards have a couple AoE attacks like Piercing Shrill and Din of Darkness that can just instantly kill you if you're in rat form, but you should be fine as long as you watch them and make sure to switch out of rat form whenever they pull out their flute or drum. Warlocks can kill you instantly if they manage to hit your rat form with their hitscan Curse of Pain, and if they curse one of your larger forms it locks you out of using rat form because the damage over time will kill you almost immediately as soon as you switch. If they're a shitty warlock it doesn't matter a whole lot because you can just rush them and give them a couple bear taps, but if they're smart and try to kite you they'll wear you down because you can't use your fastest form, they can outrun your bear form, and if you try to approach/attack while in panther form they're usually carrying a sword and can fuck you up in melee. Easiest way to beat a warlock is by ambushing them while they're dealing with fighting other mobs, but I'd still be generally cautious while fighting them or even avoid them entirely if you have anything to lose.

None of the other classes ever give me any problems, generally.

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FOTM seems to be rondel / staff ignite meta in hr or juiced normals, i switched to gold gear plate on my cleric and been farming these shitters, they think they will two shot me like the rest but its hitting for like 25dmg when i got 180hp with 62% pdr and 56% MDR, farmed like 30k gold from retarded expensive items they got

just kite: the video game

>>1362421
a mountable horse would be pretty fucking big, bigger than the bear probably, and would need to be faster than the panther, it would get stuck everywhere, made even worse considering in this game even a pebble can block you, and the head of the guy mounting would scrape the ceiling of most rooms, it could be feasable in the maps of dungeonborne, but not here.

>>1362208
i run dual crossbows + lute in duos
biggest problem with lute is that it has a really shitty move pattern, the first swing is almost identical to the maul

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>>1362457
>a mountable horse would be pretty fucking big, bigger than the bear probably
A proper warhorse might be comparable in size to the bear (although I wouldn't say larger. An actual bear is itself large enough to ride, for example) but there are smaller animals capable of bearing the weight of a human, at least for a short time. This miniature stallion feels like it might be roughly around the size of the panther in-game.
>and the head of the guy mounting would scrape the ceiling of most rooms
I feel like most room-sized rooms in all maps have ceilings at least twice the height of the average player, if not far higher (plenty of rooms in Goblin Caves and nearly every single room in Ice Caverns have ceilings that are like 5x-6x the height of a player, at minimum.) It would be a problem in some of the more hallway/tunnel-like areas of the maps, though.

I guess the main issue is that while not useless, its use might be so niche that it couldn't possibly compete for a wildshape slot over any of the existing forms, or it might end up used by solo druids purely for the extra speed as a way to kite without risking the instant death of rat form.

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How feasible is a ghost king solo kill in default gear as a melee class?

>>1362431
Probably desperate to finish that Wizard kill quest
It took me several days in solos to get an opportunity to fight a Wizard

>>1362484
you gonna get ate by the skull bats. Unless you consider cleric or bard MELEE then you are gonna have a bad time.

>>1361967
>stock loadout
where are the stakes if you don't have all of the aformentioned mechanics?

>crafting an uncommon magic protection potion at the Alchemist requires a common magic protection potion as one of the ingredients
Where the fuck do I get common magic protection potions? Does the Alchemist sell them if his affinity is high enough?

>>1362263
>can just buy epic barbarian and fighter gear with caster and magic healing rolls off the market for 60-100g
I love that perk so much. The funniest part is how warlocks already have so many more options for armor than wizard even without using it.

>>1362550
They dont exist.

The devs are retarded like that.

The whole magic resist market consist of the nine people get from quests.

>>1362197
>"I don't care about balance" - sdf

>>1362572
>The whole magic resist market consist of the nine people get from quests.
You gotta be joking. I've seen people chug tons of those, over and over, like it was nothing.

Arenas are gonna flip this game on it's head.

>>1362584
People probably make new characters just to farm them because of how much fucking gold they sell for because of how rare they are.

>>1362585
>creating a mode puts the worst part of your game into the spotlight

owari da

>>1362594
That may be why they just put a 24 hour lock on deleting characters.

>>1362599
Meaning you can only delete one every 24 hours?

>>1362597
Maybe it'll mean PvPniggers will be drawn to the arena mode instead of playing in norms

>>1362585
I think Ranger with two bows will be the 1v1 arena meta if there is 1v1. Survival power quick shot/knockback to counter everyone except Barbarian and Crossbow/longbow for PDR fighter

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>when you leave a party it doesn't reset your dungeon selection
>mfw queueing alone into trios

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https://streamable.com/kj9v2w

>>1356785
>watching this month's dev interview
>sdf literally admits he doesn't care about the balance right now
neither will I then, gonna see how far I can push the meta...
>>1356925
:^)
>>1362742
Did you live?

>>1362544
The stake is time and the reward is the short term dopamine hit that's released when I signal to my brain that I'm the smarter and more skillful candidate because I outplayed another human being in the digital toy.
Embrace your origins, no need to subscribe to an artifical feedback system when you're already wired to a superior biological one.

>>1362763
>Did you live?
I was a druid, so yes. Two times I happened upon enemy teams - the first time they didn't see me, and the second time they couldn't catch me.
Went to Inferno to farm some more berserkers and centaurs.

>>1362766
The one time I accidentally queued trios on Goblin Caves this season I scooped up some decent gear from two or three different teams after they fought. Honestly it's not even a bad idea but sometimes you get unlucky and teams will camp the entire raid, or one group comes out unscathed and you can't third party.
That's probably the main reason they nerfed interaction speed on enemy corpses - to make it harder for solos to grief and vacuum shit in the middle of a big fight.

How do I kill people as a ranger? I can third party but as soon as i 1v1 I try to keep my distance but eventually they get in melee range and I die, or I get stuck trying to open a door and die

>>1362799
>but eventually they get in melee range and I die
I don't play ranger, but I've seen other rangers use that five-arrow spread ability as a point-blank shotgun sort of attack for enemies in melee range.

>>1362799
You have to think ahead. Leave doors open and close them on pursuers to create distance. Set traps ahead of time to lead them into and traps are always a free kill unless their team covers. Use jumps to lessen the movement penalty from performing other actions: reloading, turning around to look back, starting the draw of your bow. Jumping will carry your momentum from when you left the ground until you land and give you a small movement penalty which gives you opportunity to perform or start a lot of actions and get extra distance while doing so. Lastly of course you still have to build some speed/agility to outpace everyone

>playing high roller duos after several successful 100 gs runs
>queue up for goblin caves
>friend brought in all legendary gear he just bought off the market while I'm running some dumb 15 knowledge invisibility potion barbarian kit
>some cleric BISed out of his mind comments that my buddy has nice gear in the lobby
>spawn in the bottom left module of goblin caves
>we barely make it out of our spawn room when the previously mentioned cleric and his fighter are already rushing us
>die instantly, they only loot a couple of things off our bodies
Fuck man, high roller sucks. I blame my friend more than anything for painting a target on our back, but it still feels bad

a buddy of mine is wondering what's better, a potion of luck in normals or play high rollers for better loot, any anons know which to go for?

>>1362868
It depends what you are trying to go for. If you are going for a cave troll pelt luck actually fucks you because a pelt counts as normal loot instead of uncommon or above loot. As long as you just want things that are higher rarity tier instead of cave troll pelt/moldy bread quest items luck in hr is the way to go always for higher tier loot drops. It’s funny because in my experience hr is the farming game mode. Nobody fucking plays that shit compared to normals. Easy farm. Everyone plays normals high gear score but the loot is so bad compared to what you are bringing in it’s the PvP game mode imo especially goblin caves

>>1362868
>>1362874
I should also say that luck actually helps for higher rarity quest items like enchanted fabric and spider silk. You just need to know what tier rarity you are gunning for. More often than not ignoring these niche situations high roller loot with luck is always better for getting gold,

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>>1362765

>>1362874
>>1362877
thank you anon

>>1362942
No problem man. I actually think it makes sense on how everyone is juiced bullying normals because it so easy farming HR and the matches aren’t active. It’s almost as if you are forced to do this. Good luck man

>>1362799
Build a lot of move speed, kite, and learn to run away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaf70bq8cqw
Watch what vincennt (previous rank 1 ranger) does when people get in his space. Gear obviously helps but his movement, positioning, and timing of his skills is what saves him in bad situations.

>>1362959
Bard bro are you still quitting the game? I hope not. Also what are your thoughts on ranger compared to bard? Doesn’t bard need to soften people up with ranger before going in?

>>1362976
>Bard bro are you still quitting the game?
nah, I did a couple norm raids today, see >>1362763
I'm waiting on the game to get some more changes but at some point I'll need to finish my demigod grind for the season, assuming the cosmetic rewards are worth it this time.
>Also what are your thoughts on ranger compared to bard?
Ranger has better DPS and burst, but far less utility. I think both are pretty good and fun to play when you don't get landmined.
>Doesn’t bard need to soften people up with ranged before going in?
Depends on how they build. They have enough utility to win fights with just melee alone, but most metaslave bards open with survival bow then finish with melee. Obviously if you can avoid taking damage (or less damage) in a fight then choose that path. On my kite build I play every situation different and improvise as needed.

>>1362986
Glad to hear you’re not quitting the game man. I feel like you and me are the only ones that post the most

Faggot gook devs, zero balance, nigger players

So why do rangers and bow fighters get to be unkillable? They can just plink you with arrows and even leg shots are fucking crippling. There is no skill in these classes at all. Infinite range means they can just kite infinitely

>No way to switch mob aggro
>All you have to do is wait for the enemy to aggro mobs (especially overtuned bullshit like all of the ice caves)
>Free kill because it is now a 1vX
Such skill

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>it's a devs make a fun class/build/playstyle and gut the fun stuff out of it episode
>it's a devs nerf a class that needs to be nerfed but then immediately gives them compensation buffs episode
>it's a devs "buff" a class episode
>it's a devs gut a class because they don't want to address scaling being shit episode

Why though?

>Get ganked by fag with mob on me
>Activate Phantomize
> Mob keeps aggro on me, who is literally immune to it's attacks. Instead of swapping aggro to the fighter standing next to it
Yea what is the point of this skill exactly? Do fuck all for 10 seconds while people follow you?

>>1363040
You're simply uncreative and don't know how to use a fantastic ability. Whether using it for escaping or an aggressive play with chasing someone down or activating firewalk and then walking through the enemy. Use your brain, okay? And if thats too hard, just watch a few videos on youtube to get them to teach you.

>>1363023
>>No way to switch mob aggro
bro your bard skills?

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>>1363040
You use it to reposition and escape bad situations, it's one of the best evasion skills in the entire game.
Without seeing what exactly happened I can't give any better advice than that.
>>1362988
<3
I remember the very first Dark and Darker /vg/ threads we had during the playtests... the game has come a long way in such a short time.
It was cute how during the last dev Q&A Terence mentioned all they talk about at lunch is Dark and Darker, there's obviously a lot of passion involved even if many on the team have different opinions about where the game should go.

>>1363053
>Braindead enemy that walked into you with fists iut
>Hit him 5 times before he draws a weapon
Look man if there is ELO in this game I belong in bronze, but nobody I fight is that fucking bad

>>1363054
>ELO
>bronze
I shiggy diggy

>Rangers can shoot arrows through doors
>Not allowed to cast curses through doors
Oh my god this game fucking SUCKS.,, It's such a cool idea absolutely crippled by the fact that nothing works the way you fucking think it does. Everyone "good" at the game just abuses the games mechanics instead of actually playing it

>>1363057
>Reading comprehension

>>1363059
>

>>1363053
>Passion
>In a game where mob aggro is permanent
Yea passionately retarded

>play fighter
>get hard countered by a wizard
>play wizard
>get hard countered by a druid
>play druid
>get hard countered by a warlock
>play warlock
>get countered by a rogue
>play rogue
>get hard countered by a barbarian
>play barbarian
>get hard countered by a cleric
>play cleric
>get hard countered by ranger
>play ranger
>get hard countered by a fighter

This game is miserable.
POE2 cant' come soon enough

>Join game with more than 25 gs
>Instantly rushed down by fighter with sprint (no counterplay btw) and 2 shot
Wow cool game, my favorite part is when he gains 45 movespeed for free and everyone is withing 15 movespeed of each other anyway so that gap is never being widened again

>>1363094
you should have seen when Sprint was 50 move speed for 6 seconds straight
what class are you playing?

>Play game
>Don't play meta cockslurper class that SDF decided should be gigabuffed
>Zero chance of winning fights
Cool

>>1363097
Warlock because I suck balls at PvE
I did not realize the trade off was that every class gets to ass fuck me in PvP

>>1363106
Thats far from the truth. Learning pvp is a climb of skill all on its own. Warlocks have a great kit for fighting others.

God damnit, I spent all day trying to beat the cyclops and kept getting my dick kicked in. If not by the cyclops then a dick ass warlock or bow fighter peppering me from the doorway. Like, shit, the cyclops is going to kill me just wait your fucking turn

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>>1363110
Yea you're going to have to show me some evidence. Every class in the game has some means of closing the pitiful gap of warlocks "range" or just beating out the range entirely. Further, warlock spells do horrible damage barring slow memes like hellfire (nobody is dumb enough to walk through flame walker lets be real here).
Plus you cannot exactly cast and move very quickly. So the melee class just holds forward because he will catch you and the range class just outranges you.
>But phantomize
Phantomize would be good if it could be ended early. But it can't so you run around like a twat for 10 seconds while the enemy just walks after you (wow 10% movespeed) and then kills you when you come out of it

>>1363114
if this isn't a bit please post your hours

>>1363117
True I’m laughing my ass off this guy has to be f2p

Gear market was a mistake. It's so fucking boring waiting almost ten minutes to play in between sessions because my teammate has to re-gear. Just make your sets from the dungeon like a real gamer

>>1363117
Hours? Idk I work, whenever I have time to play I play
>If this is not a bit
It isn't. I just died to a rogue, spectated him after and I did less than 30% of his hp. This is in squire gear bracket
>Be in gob caves, middle with elevator
>Rogue comes in, aggros gob and shaman
>Toss hydra in doorway to block escape
>Miss Curse of pain despite being 5 feet from the rogue with crosshair on him
One of my favorite questions in this game is going "Is this spell a projectile or not?" and getting a different answer every game
> Rogue goes invis
>Curse of pain his exact location
>No hit
Realize this is a match where it is not a projectile
>Use hydra
>Rogue is revealed! But mobs are aggrod on me now
>Rogue retreats, kill mobs
>Rogue returns, repeat above steps
>Get hit with some sort of ranged attack
>Crippling slow
>Lose 25% hp
>Rogue stabs me once, I phantom
>Run away
>Phantom ends, rogue stabs me since he was 1 step behind