>way better performance>way better graphics>new balanced weapons that aren't just stat swaps>extremely polished with very little glitches>amazing modding support and mods allowed on official servers>no gambling>gets actually updated often>not bloated by hundreds poorly designed shitty cosmetics with obnoxious unusual effects>4 team gamemodes>none of that meet-your-match retarded casual shit, just pick a server and jump in>the civilian and the vip gamemode>sniper and spy rebalancedwhat is even the point of playing live tf2 when this exists????
>40 players tops on a friday night
>>1453788That's enough to fill up a casual server and an 8v8.As long as you've got someone playing, the game's not dead.
>>1453788This is the curse of fun games>Xonotic is very polished, only a few dozen players at most>Jabroni Brawl 3 is partially a love letter to the Source Engine community, almost zero players outside of some official group or another getting together
>>1453788there's 86 players on rn, and it's a monday morning
>>1453564I kind of wish you could use all of the weapons in vanilla TF2.Yeah I know going back to the games roots around release is the idea, but I love customizing my loadouts. I know TF2C does have some really interesting exclusive weapons to it, but its not really enough to make me want to play it consistently.
>>1453903I'm pissed with JBEP3. It was working on my aarch64 serverbox for a while and doing pretty well despite the architecture mismatch, but Patch 164 karked it all to hell, and I can't really get any info on fixing it because it was a pretty janky solution that would just get scoffed at as "yeah, don't bother, you should've expected this day to come" if I went around poking for solutions.Which is a shame because, before that, hosting private deathmatch sessions for it was a ton of fun for my buddies, and I was hoping to use it for The (S)Hidden in October, but as of Patch 166, my problem hasn't been fixed. Doesn't help that the Revert option only goes back to Patch 165.
>>1453564Gotta try this. I want a TFC remaster though. Tried the mod Fortress Forever but too many differences.
>>1453564>>sniper and spy rebalancedelaborate>>1453788>>1453902>8v8also this; I'm shit at the game and with such a low player pool, this means my chances of getting into a game with similarly skilled shitters is low, and that I'll much more likely be stomped by the same 20-30 people no matter where or when I play. i also can't be a toxic retard without getting immediately noticed and flagged as "that retarded shitter", where i'll be specifically targeted
it has trannies or something doe
>>1455398the Open Fortress boys are faithfully remaking TFC in the TF2 style
>>1455838they gave Spy a hold button to walk at his normal speed when disguisedand they gave Sniper bullet trails like with the machina, so you can actually see if one is trying to shoot you or your teammates
>>1456465they also gave sniper the ambassador, and didn't change how effectively he can shut down anywhere with a sightline with his default rifle
>>1453564i dont want to install steam and source multiplayer to play. i wish they could divorce from all that
>>1453564>new balanced weapons that aren't just stat swaps >4 team gamemodes >the civilian and the vip gamemode All shit. "Classic" my ass.I don't mind people making mods, and it is polished. But don't call it "classic" if you're sticking custom weapons and game modes into it. If it has content not made by valve then it is not classic.I still play it, because that's the closest I found to true classic tf2, before the hat bloat and a million weapons and yes, community servers rock.But tf2c manages to get worse with every update as they add more and more of their own bullshit.They added a heavy weapon that blares a fucking siren constantly, and it is of course busted.They fucked up the engineer by adding jump pads.They added undismissable achievement popups.It's cool if you want to experiment! But don't fucking claim it's the "pure experience" when it's just another mod.Does anybody know a mod or a server with true classic tf2? One that only has stuff from release, perhaps with a few iconic items like the sandvich? I've been looking, but couldn't find anything.
>>1460078I think there was some project like that but I think it dieded? cant find it. as for tf2c - agreed the siren spamming heavy weapon is a disgrace and they should just scrap it, but the 4-team gamemode and jump pads are kino
>>1461847>the 4-team gamemode and jump pads are kinoI hate 'em. I hate all the custom stuff. I legitimately think they're bad. I would perhaps be more charitable if I expected just another mod, but I chose Classic because I expect, yknow, classic.That the creators think their additions are "in the spirit of original TF2" on par with valve's content shows a dangerous naivete and/or lack of self-awareness which are anything but assuring. I fully expect the mod to implode eventually under the weight of all that crap.Like I said, I still play it because it is true there's nothing better. But not a day comes by that I don't get annoyed by their needless additions that fuck up the balance and change game dynamics.
>>1462070Four team mode is dogshit, it just comes down to straight teamcomp more than anything else. The reason I play TF2C is so that I can nominate arena mode maps because arena mode is a very fun mode.
I'm an Australian. I only get to play Fortnite and CoD.
>>1463723grim
>>1453564>dude, in TF2's game files, there's actually a secret class called the civilian! isn't that interesting?no not really, it's probably a placeholder asset thing>BUT DUDE wouldn't it be cool if you could play as it?no... no it really wouldn't...
>>1463723All TF2 and TF2-derived games should always host an Australian server just out of principle.
>>1463723Man austrailia seems like such a gaming wasteland. How's living there?
>>1464337the civ is from TFC, not just taken from the unfinished char in the code
>>1462560arena fucking rocks
>>1464337The civilian is a remnant of an old gamemode for TFC called "VIP" in which one player takes on the role of a mostly defenseless civilian with only a melee weapon and has to capture certain points. Valve intended on implementing this gamemode, and by extension the class to TF2 but gave up on the idea and supplemented it for payload. They didn't just add it because "it would be so cool to play as it". The mod is called Team Fortress 2 Classic because it implements older unexplored ideas.
>>1486648>The mod is called Team Fortress 2 Classic because it implements older unexplored ideasWhere I come from "classic" means "what used to be" or "the original" instead of "what never was". I task you to give one RL example of your definition in use.Also:>Valve intended on implementing this gamemode, and by extension the class to TF2 but gave up on the idea and supplemented it for payload.You said it yourself. Valve decided payload was an improvement (rightfully) and decided implementing vip is not worth it (probably because it's dogshit).
>>1486664have you considered that vip fucking rocks and it's basically the coolest thing ever
>>1486798Yes, briefly. I discarded the hypothesis on the grounds of it being utterly fucking indefensible.Being the vip is a shit job nobody wants, and the matches often end in like 4 minutes, either because the vip died or because blu blitzed the three points.Payload and Control Points both do the same thing but better. The first offers better pacing and a more interesting plays around the objective. The latter cuts the unfun part of making one player the central point of the match and instead allows for a more varied, multi-faceted competition between both teams and their compositions.Vip is one of those modes that sound cool in theory, but in practice it requires a level of coordination that is just not suited for pub games. It could maybe, MAYBE be more exciting in a competitive play, where the team would base its strategy around the civilian, the way it it for medics in pro play. But making one player a single point of failure in casual games is just plain bad.
>>1453564It's still woke. Not going to play a game with a non-human in it.
>>1462070Autism is a lifelong struggle
>>1486664Not them but “Classic” is also referring to how the mod tries to recapture TF2’s original tone and artstyle from the early years, similar to how “Old School” RuneScape began as a 2007 backup of the game but gradually evolved into its own thing over time, restoring cut content and aiming to preserve the original artstyle. I don’t know what the mod team considers as a cutoff for the original TF2 style but as someone who played and followed TF2 from launch I think the new content they’ve made fits in pretty well, even if the implementation of things like 4 team is a bit messy>>1486970What’s wrong with the Pyro?
what happened to the usual tf2 thread (for legal reasons, not a general) that's usually here?
>>1493727dead. like the game
>>1453564>new balanced weaponsThis is what I didn't want. I liked TF2 more when everything was stock. And not too long ago when the item servers went down and everyone was forced on stock for a while I enjoyed the game more then too.I've seen in other games where modders claim to be doing classic, basic, etc. whatever you want to call it patches/mods and every time they always start adding in their own stuff and making the game worse.
>>1494057i can't be the only one that thinks tf2 with only stock weapons is boring as shit, like unlocks are so essential to tf2 i genuinely can't imagine myself ever enjoying it without them
>>1492184i agree so hard with literally every single word that just came out of your mouth
>>1493727You're thinking of the tf2g threads over on /vg/ niggerfaggot
> mfw the tf2 mod I founded almost 10 years ago has been taken over and run into the ground by tranny faggot groomers and child molesters
>>1494431Some of them are fun, but I find a lot of them making the game feel more annoying to play.
I wish they'd update tf2 so we can use items from our live tf2 inventories so I can use my Flammenwerfer.
>>1494461wish they'd update tf2c*
>>1494459hey! i know you! you're the tf2 chud meltdown guy!
>>1494460This. Totally stock tf2 is indeed a little boring, so a sprinkle of options is good. But vanilla went way, way overboard, and got too complex.Simplicity counts for a lot. Tf2 is great because of its base design and mechanics, and having 17 different rocket launchers moves the emphasis away from that.
>>1494496live tf2's unlocks suck major ass yeah, genuine pay to win annoying shit in there, but i think TF2C does it really well
>>1494457no, I'm not. those are shit and I'm trying to find the one on a different board
>>1494828>genuine pay to win annoying shit in thereZoomers literally don't know what this means.
>>1453788what's the issue with this?you can't name yourself blank or tokyo ghoul and grind meaningless points?boo hoo
>>1495453no bro you don't understand, valve SAID they're SIDEGRADES so it's IMPOSIBLE for ANY UNCLOK to be better than stock, so it's NOT PAY TO WIN.Just ignore: the scorch shot, the dead ringer, the phlog, the kunai, the ubersaw, the crossbow, almost every single pyro melee, the wrangler, the diamondback, and definitely a few other i'm forgetting.they're totally gonna get rebalanced dude.
>>1486970do you have a problem with scottish people??
>>1496065>the scorch shotnot overpowered, just annoying if you're sniper (who deserves it)for everyone else it's extremely easy to dodge and does no damage>the dead ringernon issue just let the spy walk away, he'll die regardless>the phloglmao>the kunairequires you to be good at spy in the first place which isn't the case for 99.9% of pubs>the ubersawgranted but it's not that big a deal>the crossbowit's too transformative to rebalance, medic fucking sucks to play without it>almost every single pyro meleewhat fucking melee? none of them do anything except the powerjack which people only take for the speed boost>the wranglergranted>the diamondbackonly an issue for engineer shitters and bad teams who let spies farm killsif you are good at the game it is not an issuejudging based off the other weapons you complain about you are obviously not good at the gamei am glad tf2 is not being updated anymore so it isn't being catered to shitters like you
>>1494461>>1494462Give me that flamethrower I want it and I'm more racist than u I deserve it morePic related is my nigger punching fists that I also use for punching women and faggots & I have an engineer PDA that's just NIGGER 26 times in a row, I have a video of me streamsniping a guy with it and he quits the game instantly but I'm not home rn and cannot post it >>1486970Yea but you can buy a strange whip and put a part on it that tracks how many niggers you've killed with it and name tag it NIGGER WHIPPER 9000 or whatever so that's pretty epic and based
>>1496175nah they're just terribly design overpowered weapons, if you wanna suck valve's dick then good for you
>>1496065>>1496175Having more choices is always better than not having them.But you don't need to pay for these weapons, so I don't see how it's pay to win. Back when I played vanilla, the drop rate was high, you played for like an hour and had ten new pieces of equipment.Yeah, it would be best if the full armory was available right off the bat. That it's not is a bit scummy. But it's not P2W if paying money doesn't confer an advantage you can't get otherwise.
>>1496065>>1496175>>1496484You lot forgot about the real P2W (a.k.a. Valve's incompetence). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U819YrM4bUU
>>1496606tl;dr? I'm not going to watch some piss physics just because you won't explain yourself.
>>1496634Literally just watch the first 3 seconds to find out that the premium reskin of Jarate flies farther than regular Jarate.
>>1496639Okay. Well, I'm assuming it's not deliberate. I wouldn't be particularly outraged at it. It would be a very weird cash grab.
>>1496235No I paid 200 buckarooskis for that flamethrower my nigger
new weapons shouldve stayed exclusively in the realm of enabling new playstyles or giving classes new abilities (buff banner, sandvich, eyelander, bonk, crossbow etc) probably 2/3 of all unlocks in tf2 are boring or downgrades over stockthat's something tf2c gets (mostly) right, almost all the weapons in the game actually change how you play and arent just gay as fuck """sidegrades"""theres a couple stinkers like the new spy watch and the sniper club but theyre excusable imo, so long as they maintain this style of unlocks im fine with them adding their own stuff to the mod
>>1453564>everyone is on the server with the billion retarded bloat weapons
>>1497498I think that's the server run by the troon faggot weaboo owner of tf2r.com (that dumbass raffle site), Reagy
>>1494461if you're the real 404 you're like 3 posts away from me sending you gummy dicks to house and telling wolfclock your address
>>1500934Good luck with that lmao. And yeah of course it's me.
>>1501445Ok pedophile
>>1496175>1496175stop echoing shit your favorite youtubers say you faggot,
>>1502123If there's only one thing I can take pride in, it's that I'm not a pedophile. I'm not a tranny. I'm not a faggot. I'm not a zoophile. Unlike the majority of TF2's players and content creators, who are multiple of those things.Waiting on my bag of gummy dicks to get mailed to my house. Hope they're THC gummies. That'd be dope.
>>1453903anyone remember neotokyo sourcemod? ;_;
>>1502484i don't watch any tf2 youtubers to care about their opinions, but evidently you do, which is pretty sad
