>A free-to-play MMORPG with crafting, building, landscaping, foraging, hunting, fishing, a dash of poetry, and open PvP combatIts a perma-death survival MMO. World 16 is coming out tomorrow, 1st of November, 20:00 UTC time. The game now has STEAM integration, and for that reason, devs are predicting the biggest player count ever. If you were looking to play this game at some point, this is an interesting time to do it.In addition, there was some major food rework, which essentially gets rid of meta foods and introduces a tier food system, making it easier and more intuitive. There are other minor changes, and what is assumed a re-work of steel producing. >https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3051280/Haven__Hearth/If you are a newbie, I recommend joining a village, there's still time to do it. You can also read the "Quick Help Pages" on the wiki. >https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Haven_and_Hearth_Wiki
Post more, OP.
>>1486748I would've loved to play something like this in the past, but nowadays I'm tired of working in games, so I just play games and avoid all crafting, no matter how difficult that makes the game. At least I'm making my own choices - which is why I also get rid of npcs that are evil, even if they had quest, rewards, etc.
Nope. They do nothing to stop bots and maintaining an army of alts is required to play. There is no anti cheat either. This is a game where veterans shit on new players for fun to make them quit. It's a huge waste of time.The server is likely going to shit itself and they refuse to add another one. They are incredibly unprepared for a Steam release. W16 offers nothing new other than some balance changes for the top 0.1%.Fun game but holy fuck are the devs retarded unironic communists.
PvE is still nothing but boat cheesing and you won't participate in PvP due to 24/7 bot users having throw-away fighters with 3000 STR by the end of November.Play it for the first week chaos but don't get into the quality grind autism.
I'd just end up playing for a month and then dropping it when the inevitable quality grind begins.
Salem is better in many ways and completely f2p now btw.
>>1486748I will only play if I learn how to make a bot. How do I make a bot?
>>1487307Custom clients are on the Steam workshop.
>>1487417I have my old accounts. Is there any advantage playing on Steam?
>>1487426No, everyone plays on the same server.
>>1487426Cheevos.
>>14867483 hours left
>>1488109downloading. looking forward to trying it
>>1486748What is the best way to split alts now? It used to be miner/fighter, forager/hunter and I don't remember the rest.
>>1488247I go with one character for outside activities (foraging, mining and pve) and one who stays inside the base (cooking, farming).Anything more than that and it's turning into a full-time job.
I wait a few weeks for the autism to settle down. I don't want to build right next to a village by accident.
>>1488318beginning of anything is always the most fun when it's just chaos and people (like me) don't know what they're doing.
>775 playersWe're going to the moon!!
>>1488410Right now we are in the speedrunning minmax phase that's all about large groups asserting dominance by rushing Rage and killing every sprucecap they can get their hands on. These players get bored and quit once the "casual" bot users caught up. By then most players are in "waiting for fresh start" mode. 1-2 months into wipe is when casual solo players get to enjoy the game.This is not a PvP game where you can have somewhat fair fights. The PvPers will be lightyears ahead of you in just a week.
game is full of bots don't be fooled
>>1488442You are supposed to use one yourself.
oh no it's over
>>1488478Says 1500 rn on the website. What did W15 get on the first day?
>>1488478That's what 15 years of word-of-mouth marketing and a ProJared video gets you.>>1488489W16 is a new record with 1857 players.The last three worlds all peaked at around 1550. This always went down to around 300 over the following three month. W17 starts in six month.
>>1488494I enjoy checking in on H&H once in awhile because it's the only game I can think of where the inmates effectively run the asylum.
im kinda down to try this game, i did the tutorial and all but now what? do we meet up somewhere? don't feel like grinding resources and building shit alone
>>1488447It's easier to just not install the game.
Here is a good up-to-date guide for beginners.https://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76168
server is up!
you niggers playing?
>>1489242yeap, but alone
ordinary and chill so far.The controls are exceptionally tedious.
>have to craft a bushcraft fishing pole>have the line and hook>no option to craft the poleHuh?
>>1489293Have you discovered all the materials needed to craft the fishing pole?>Tree Bough x1; Block of Wood x1, String x2; Fishline, Fish Hook, Bait
>>1487136>This is a game where veterans shit on new players for fun to make them quit. It's a huge waste of time.This.Also, many developers seldom understand just how destructive the human player can be to the virtual environment. These idiots may have forgotten it, but i remember when H&H was 2D sprites, and the terrain was an actual barren wasteland without trees or animals for at least 30 minutes of walking outside of spawn. Everyone always setup their shit shacks on the grasslands too, preventing those necessary animals from spawning...Even last month, when the game had under 100 "players" (calling them "active clients" would be more honest and accurate) the world map was still horribly cramped and populated by murder hobos who WOULD ABSOLUTELY spend 4+ hours walking to your base to rape you in your sleep and steal your 2 copper bars of <10q. Because zero-sum mentality. You're alive? You're a threat! Even though you clearly have inferior stats and can only deal zero damage!I bet they didn't even change world gen; there are ALWAYS simply too many rivers and lakes that let boats discover everything, and when the murder hobo sees your base on the minimap -- that's it, you're done.I can't fucking imagine what it would be like right now with 10 times that number of players, turning the entire game map into a treeless barren desert. I'm sure most people can't even complete the "make a birchbark cup" tutorial... Just like H&H classic.We've truly come full circle.
>>1489757I heard they buffed salt, but I didn't think the salt would be this strong.
>>1489793> U SALTYYes you fucking nigger i am beyond salty, my entire body is composed of sodium chloride; every time a decent MMO concept comes along with a good amount of development progress on systems and features and artwork, it's also inevitably also owned by some retarded collection of faggots (like you) who have dumb fucking ideas that have been proven failures like: permanent death, infinite stats, robot scripting, third party clients with graphical mods/cheats, and the list goes fucking on and on.Remember when location-specific resources were implemented? When there was no build restriction and people would P-Claim them the moment they were found? Even if they never collected the resources, they just claimed it to stop everyone else from getting it?Yeah you can still do an external brick wall 360' around them RIGHT NOW and the game has no way to detect or prevent it from happening. The same goes for "vault" bases where the player who creates it does so in a way that only they can access the area within. It takes developer intervention to resolve this problem and the answer is always "lol nuke"I'm mad because H&H had promise but it was made by amateurs and continues to be operated in an amateur mindset.
>>1489757You haven't played in over a decade lol. The game has changed a lot.
>>1489801>The same goes for "vault" bases where the player who creates it does so in a way that only they can access the area within.True vaults aren't possible anymore, are they? Fast travel goes via thingwalls nowadays, the Portico has been removed and Crossroads never existed in new Haven.
>>1489242downloaded it on release but never actually booted it up yet.
>>1489801hmm come play black desert with me. good game if you like grinding
>>1489242Yea. listening to DE OST and chillin
>>1489801Wait a couple of months and rush a knarr. Can easily be done in a weekend. Once you're off the main continent nobody will bother you.
>>1489801I used to claim high q clay nodes in 2D H&H and I agree with you. I am back after 10 years, expecting at least they had implemented stats cap, but no, same bullshit as ever.
>>1489937This is exactly the problem. H&H only has the endless q and stat grind. No life botters will excel in both and others will have to live in constant fear hiding behind their pali.
>>1489959And why do you not use bots?
>>1490138>search for h&h bots>always obscure posts>no comments on github page>users saying it has keylogger
>>1490139They are all on the Steam workshop and the forum has a section dedicated to custom clients.
>>1490143t. password stealer
I've gotten my ass kicked by ants for the last 3 days.>just x/y/zI have no fucking clue what is going on during combat. I keep pressing the punch button over and over and the ants are doing like 14 damage a hit.
>>1490432Classic humiliation ritual. Kite ants away and raid the village.
>>1490461>humiliation ritual>the wiki claims they're easy and safe to fight>the correct answer is just to kite them and steal their juicey soldier bussiesIn retrospect, I'm not surprised the wiki was having a giggle.
>>1490432>I have no fucking clue what is going on during combat. I keep pressing the punch button over and over and the ants are doing like 14 damage a hit.Every time you Punch, you increase the Ants' green opening (vulnerability to attack), then you deal damage depending on your strength and Unarmed Combat skill, multiplied by the opening. (I don't think it scales linearly, but higher opening = more damage.) This is why you do 0 damage on your first Punch but then gradually start doing more damage, until the Ants use a move that reduces their green opening which reduces your multiplier.It also works the opposite way around: when an enemy hits you, one or more colors of openings increase. You need to use 'restoration moves' like Quick Dodge (for green opening) or Sidestep (for blue opening) to reduce your openings to keep the enemy's damage from getting out of hand. Make sure you have enough UA skill, then alternate between punching and using appropriate-color restorations.But if you just want the loot, kiting away the ants is easier in that specific case. You want to practice combat using the ants as you need it for other animals, though. (Ants are good for practice as they deal little damage and are very slow, trivial to run away from if you're losing.)
>>1490694Oh, I should add that the amount of opening you receive also depends on your UA (unless you switch to a Melee maneuver), so if you're at 1 Unarmed Combat skill the ants will build up your opening super fast even if you try to restore it. (Likewise, the more UA you have the bigger the openings you'll get on the enemy.)
>>1490694That's fine. I already uninstalled. Not out of rage. Met some nice enough people. Topped off my claim. Whatever happens, happens. Just got bored of waiting for everything.
>>1490697How much str is enough to deal with ants?>>1490704Farewell, zoomie.
Just use a bow to kill boars, foxes and badgers from a dugout to get all the meta combat moves.
>>1490138I don't want to use 20 bots and turn what should be a comfy survival base building game into an eternal rts match
>>1490712Any stats is safe, as you can just walk away and spam restorations before going in again. For killing them faster than they can spawn, a bit above 10 UA works if you're fast and are willing to take some damage, and it gets easier the more UA you have.Note that ants penetrate armor, so there's no point to wearing armor (the bone stuff, and later leather/metal armor) when fighting them.
Tempted to play but will probably end up alone behind a palisade for the whole world again. I guess there are achievements this time now. Is the default client good enough for casual soloing? I don't plan to go into pvp combat or fighting for high q resources for the most part, maybe just a bit of casual scavenging of ruins later on.
>>1490863>Is the default client good enough for casual soloing?No, use Ender for casual solo
>>1490797Use Ender's Client and turn on animal notifications and animal range. YOu will hear a sound when an aggressive animal shows up on the map. Next world is in 6 months.
Can you still craft toolbelts in this world?
>>1491065yeah, start out with a reedbelt and upgrade to snakeskin/leather+nugget
Will we play together in w17?
How is 3D H&H? I only played 2D.
>>1491761It's almost the same game it was over a decade ago but with 3d graphics and more content. It's just years of small updates and tweaks. Not much has changed. Still in alpha.
>>1491761It has cliffs and the graphics remind me of Salem. Thank God we can make the terrain flat with a client. It is still H&H but with a Salem little touch.
ill just wait until bitcraft comes out. google it its pretty much like this but a lot more intuitive and better interface and no pvp. i think theres an alpha in a week or so too
There are so many lakes and rivers now. Is it still possible to settle in an area that is 4+ grids away from water?
>>1492657I guess. Check the world map. https://map.hearthworld.com
>>1492657Palisades are basically indestructible if claimed. You get spotted either way no matter where you settle. The "don't build near rivers" advice is very outdated.
>>1491761haven and hearth is really not in a good place, jorb has been listening almost exclusively to pvp botters, making the world smaller and doing everything they gaslight him to do and only recently banned them when he found out they have been exploiting for years.Changes are on the whole a mixed bag some things being expanded and are much more interesting, inventory management and cooking is something I would say is a straight improvement over 2d while other things like wounds or metal have become giant turds.
>>1492915>making the world smallerwhatnothe last few worlds including this one have been the largest so far outside of the one time they were forced to expand the world because some griefer was hopping out of bounds and causing corrupt chunks
I hit the motherload. Six full piles of lead ore, took me two hours of non stop mining.
>>1493061Damn. Is mine layer 2 unlocked yet?
>>1493098I had some slag mixed in by accident, it was more like 4 piles. All from layer one, it was like a 40 node area, mined with full skills minus Deep Artifice and Mine Song. All that plus a fuckload of Rock Salt.
>>1493163Craft Diver's Weight and go diving for sponges :^)
Is this world another iteration of "big villiages hunting hermits"?
>>1493756How it should be. Build a palisade and they can't harm you.
>>1493756There has never been an iteration of H&H where I haven't ran like a madman behind my pali the moment I see a stranger.
>>1486748Can this game be played in a group/co-op?>>1485301
>>1493920You'd have to be very insane to play it alone
>>1493920You could also play Salem which is the colonial witch hunt version.
Salem has:>PvE that isn't about cheesing and stat-checking>an actual PvE endgame>offline base defence>way more options to dress your character>agriculture with tiered crops and fertilizers>a less tiresome Quality system that only applies to food>your character slowly going insane and experiencing psychotic episodes>instead of waiting on curios you accumulate inspiration points that you can spend immediately>a lot more skills to unlock>less pointless systems and food items>a city where you can meet other players, punish criminals, sell items and get quests>a server that never wipesIt has far less players than Haven but still an active discord channel. Right now it has around 150 daily users. It's not completely abandoned by the one dev working on it either.They are both very very similar games for obvious reasons but the PvE experience in Salem is much better imo.
>>1494143Salem does not have:Pushout
>>1494143>150 daily users>one dev working onwtf? what happened?
>>1494188Salem switched hands a few times and had long breaks without new content. HnH will also be at ~100 daily players within a few months.HnH tracker (keep in mind they just released their game on Steam)https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/track/Salem trackerhttp://login.salemthegame.com/portal/state
>>1494165Yep, you get stuck on trees a lot.
>>1486748Yo do we have a Village? IGN: Breadthief69
>>1494143>instead of waiting on curios you accumulate inspiration points that you can spend immediately>mfw i still remember pre-curio system
>>1494524I started playing H&H in the last pre-curio world 4. Fucking Bucket factories deforesting entire regions.
Can I safely leave my claim bond in my study while exploring? Seems like the only risk is if someone takes it after you die, which costs presence to replace.
>>1494563Only the claim owner can transfer the claim bond by clicking it on another character. If it gets stolen, you can get a new one at your claim pole. There is no reason to steal it anymore.You should have your bond on an alt so it won't take up space in the study window.
>>1489757This is why I am going to play Anvil Empires. I played Salem when it was new and it was just one dipshit called the chief trolling everyone with his characters that had impossible stats after a patch that made making said characters no longer possible, but didn't actually delete the ones already around.
>>1493756That's all the game is, that's why most of the core playerbase only cares about new worlds, it's an influx of new players and new targets, they don't care if their actions tank the player count, all they play the game for is to see people rage about getting killed. The player count is already trending downwards, I'm not even sure how this problem can be solved, maybe the game is just a lost cause, which is a shame because I think it does so many things well, not many sandbox MMOs get the feeling of progression done as well as it does.
>>1495240Haven is a game of chores. Players quit once the upkeep grind becomes all that's left. Players would still quit even on a PvE server. There's really not much PvE content to begin with.
Are airlocks worth it for a small hermitage? Or can I just rely on visitor gates? Doubt I will pvp this world and if I see dangerous animals outside I just stay inside. Will just be casual.
>>1495663they are useful for fighting animals as well, wolf packs in particular are difficult to fight even on horseback
>>1495663It's not even optional. You can't go through a visitor gate during combat.If you want to die really quickly have only visitor gates and your hearthfire outside. Someone will park alts near your base to check when you are online. If you leave they can keep you in combat forever.Build an airlock with a normal gate entrance+exit and a cabin to break combat.
If the Milestone icon appears on the map, how can we hide our home and have easy access to the water while carrying a boat?
>>1495720>>1495725Got it. With normal gates outside, can I just leave the visitor gate open for convenience?
>>1496172It should look like this. You can build it much small and add a cabin to it that you can enter to drop aggro. You can have visitor gates on all sides and leave them all open if you want. Also have vgates around your minehole.Normal gates should never lead directly into your base. If you lose your slave key, players can enter without visitor buff and commit crimes.
Any reason to get into this at all since there's MANY new options in full loot PvP MMOs now?>Mortal Online 2>Albion Online>Ashes of Creation (soon)>Ark Survival Island Hopping>Rust (when they implement island hopping)>AnvilEmp>more I am not even listing
>>1496230Very few players get to participate in actual PvP fights. The other 99% avoid conflict because PvP can result in permadeath. Most players don't even understand how the combat works. Haven is not really a PvP game.
I HAVE USED RUSTROOT 100 TIMES AND STILL CANT FIND ORE
>>1496293i recognize that cave system
>>1496267Plus if you're not botting your stats are not going to be competitive.
Is it sufficient to survive a pvp encounter by raising CON and max HP or should I still wear armor? I read that Murder no longer allows you to hit KO’d players, so I just need to survive the killing blow and select auto-hearth to retreat. Of course, I’ll still be fully robbed but it’s better than losing a main.
>>1496293Are you looking for ore for a lvl2 mine or what? Rustroot works for level lower than you're standing on.
post boats>>1496419i know those are the spots i prospected on lvl1 because i overlayed a transparent image of lvl1 onto my surface's map
>>1496403you need some combat skills to reduce openings as well. For the most part yes you can survive as long as you keep your con up. I have had alts survive a gank just by making sure to keep their con up with the rest of their stats in the 120's
>forager credo + bunny slippers>custom client >restorations that reduce red opening>Oak Stance>a million Waterskins and high energy food like Butter PorridgeDid I miss anything? Simply being able to run in a straight line while chugging water will get you out of most situations.
>>1496686>"Speed buffs from "Forager" credo and "Bunny Slippers" have been inverted. Rather than making you run faster, they now make animals chased run slower."
>>1496712>one patch later>Reverted the recent changes to the speed buffs provided by the "Forager" credo and "Bunny Slippers", due to public outcry. It could perhaps be argued that "Bunny Slippers" are particularly egregious in this regard, as they enforce a meta where "Bunny Slippers" are the only footwear possible to use in PvP. Feel free to suggest changes. Reverting for now, but open to arguments.
>>1496722Where? The ringofbrodgar is slow as fuck.
>>1496293Terrible luck, it took me two rustroots to find tin. The start of mining is still a miserable experience and needs to be fixed. Also prospecting should be the level you're on, prospecting is fucking ass.
>>1496403Unless the person chasing you has murderous rage (blood droplet icon next to him), you cannot die to a player unless you are wounded below 40% of your maxHP. If they do have it, you can die if they have a B12 and can 10%-offset guess your maxHP.
>>1496788Can't they activate when you are down to continue attacking you?
>>1496855no, when you are down you can no longer be attacked
Yo how do I play with other Anons???
>>1496855How about for wolves and bears? Does more hp and armor lower the chance they kill you when hitting you KO’d so they get bored and leave? I think they still hit you when downed but each time they attack they have a chance to stop.
>>1497031Bears can give you one last slap to your max HP when you are downed but you can survive that even on a fresh character if you have no mayor wounds. A pack of wolves will pretty much always kill you. Entering a Wolf Lair unprepared is guaranteed death. Armor always help. It's random but with wolves you aggro all of them and it's enough if just one wants you dead. Stay inside during a full moon.
>>1497047How can you tell if it’s a full moon?
>>1497302It shows moon phases when it's night on the UI?
>>1497302Wolves right outside your base.
they should've stuck with 2d. the game looks like kajko i kokosz
>>1497047If anything the wolf lair is pretty forgiving as it's only up to 4 wolves instead of the dozen wolf groups that rape you outside
>>1496944You find a group that wants to play the game and start together. One guy spawns first and rushes the carpentry beacons.You need carpentry and discovery of boards, wood blocks, stone and clay. When you build the beacon you lit it up and give it a password, the players spawning need to give that password to a thing in the fence when they create their character. It's one beacon per person spawned
>>1497619I miss the old hearth fire password system. Beacon is gay and dumb.
>>1497634it's the same but with the extra chore of getting resources first
>>1497594For the same reason as why people don't make 2d isometric games anymore, it is much easier to make a 3d model than 8+ consistent drawings of the same object.
>>1497725It is a pain in the ass to grind mats and wait for the leaderfag to be online.
>>1494205>HnH will also be at ~100 daily players within a few months.Seems like you missed that by a factor of 50 as there are 5k+ daily users and 1500+ players online at all times.
>>14977861500+ is just few hundred more than the previous high of new world. Might stabilize to 300.
http://brodgar.io/tracker/After six month the game is pretty much over. Barely any human player are left at that point. Luckily that's when W17 starts.
>>1497634>I miss the old hearth fire password system.I can't find the image of the koreans shitting out 9000 alts to block a cave so this will have to do
>>1497902that was literally done in response to the same exploiting faggots who constantly used bugs to bypass walls
>>1497902you deserve it
>>1497902Korea #1 Get fucked wide eye
>>1497782can someone leader fag and get us a beacon/village? I am tired of being a poor fieldfag
>>1498247villages require regional resources to make, it won't happen without loads of dudes on it already which means you need to group up with beacons in the first place
>>1498261>>1498247Korea #1 Get fucked wide eyesthis our game
>>1498247I have a village, but I have horrible experiences calling random people from here.But if you want to do that you indeed need to get the people over to your place first, claim a cave, and live like a ghetto until you hit metal for the village claim
>>1498922>horrible experiences calling random people from here:(
>>1499060most of the time when you do that you end up getting one or two random big faction niggers to grief the whole thing
>>1499066>>1499060>>1498922Korea #1You will submit to Korea
>>1499270try to pass through my chink army
>>1486748Going to build a wilderness beacon next time on if you guys want to play together. Anyone interested?
>>1499377Build twenty and post the codes here.
>>1499461wildy beacons burn out in 15 minutesthere's literally no way to get a group going on a board as slow as /vm/
>>1499607My recommendation is to host a steam group and invite people through the steam group chat, fuck discord
>>1499611>>1499607>>1499461>>1499309https://steamcommunity.com/groups/vegetable4ch
>>1493756hey that's what I've been doing all world so far :^)
>>1499617I've leveled a field. got a base building. Had help from a single eastern european guy. Join the group if you want to play with us :)
Hey anons, did you know that Misa is a Brazilian pedophile? In case any of you were thinking about playing with or trading with Whatever Bay. Keep that in mind instead of associating with a known nonce.
>>1499632Do you have any proof? I don't want to play with a pedophile
>>1499635https://imgur.com/a/evidence-misa-theservant-pedophilia-vd1Avb9Evidence from d*scord and the forums both in here
>>1499657Okay play with /v/ instead lolhttps://steamcommunity.com/groups/vegetable4ch
>>1499632>>1499635>>1499657I can't tell where you came from, but it's horridly obvious that you just tried to fake a conversation with yourself.
>>1499720I'll admit to you that I'm the resident factionnigger in this thread (I was posting here back in the siege around the end of last year/start of this year) and thus privy to goings on in the game sure but I'm an /int/nigger first and play other games with /vm/ and fuck you nigger I didn't fake it I just wanted to let anons know not to play with pedos
>making sure the ground is 100% even when you can just "flatten terrain" in the settingsNot my problem.
>>1498922IDK< join the steam group and talk to me, at this point I'd travel over kill myself
what are the odds of getting stabbed by jeets in this game? Just checked the forums and they seem like shitters
>>1500667There are exactly 0 players from India.Put down a claim. It takes 8 hours to become active. Factions have countless bots to monitor the area around their location. You will notice when you try to settle in the wrong spot.Rush Yeomanry, build a Palisade and nobody can touch you.There's no real downside to killing players right now. Losing a fresh character means nothing. Use bot clients and have alts for everything instead of one main.
>>1500699>bot clientsis it safe?
>>1500979as the only real value to this game is a dick sucking and posturing circle most clients are safe. with anything however there is always a chance that the client maker is simply playing the long game and waiting to have enough people using it before stealing account information like what happened with a client a few years ago.
>>1499657>https://imgur.com/a/evidence-misa-theservant-pedophilia-vd1Avb9this misa guy sounds pretty based
>>1501436You are a pedo and probably also a huemonkey
>>1500979Just don't use any Shubla malware clients and you'll be fine
>>1501142>>1501647https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/cltrack/it looks like ard and nurgling are popular and safe but both clients are abandoned, wtf?
>>1501675welcome to Haven lolThey both have unofficial forks which maintain them, you can get them from the steam workshop as well
I want to commit crimes and steal from other players but everyone has a palisade that makes them unraidable and auto-teleports the moment I'm on screen.Are criminals really limited to clueless newbies that have nothing of value to begin with?
>>1501675Nurgling isn't abandoned, it just got a re-write.
>>1501716While that's the number 1 victim I assure you we also take out players with a bit more. All I'm hearing here is skill issue
>>1501810How to get into someones palisade? The whole siegecraft thing is impossible to pull off for 99,9999% of the playerbase.
>>1501822If some hermit gets a proper pali up they're basically safe since it's never worth a siege. Look at the claim safety thread and target retards who failed I guess.
>>1501982"Sandbox" MMO with indestructible sandcastles. Dumb .
>>1501822>>1502323A two men village can wipe out all their neighbor with minimal material investment even behind palisades. There's no system in place to prevent you to do that besides an initial time and material investment.
>>1502333fake and gay
>>1502333One more reason why Salem is just better designed. It had six different tiers of walls. In HnH every noob gets the highest tier, an Iron Wall for free.
>>1502323I mean they're not indestructible, just not worth the effort unless it's a sizable settlementt. partook in 2 sieges last world of which one succeeded and the other failed
>>1502640Was the target offline for 1 day?
>>1502680The siege that failed fought back and employed really active annoying tactics, the siege that succeeded tried a little to fight back but could not summon reinforcements from abroad so were not there constantly
>>1502766A hermit like me has no chance then?
>>1502853in sieging or being siegedeither way you're fine as long as you don't manage to urge 80% of the factions in the game to hate you for some retarded reasoneven at that point odds are they'll just gank you 24/7 instead of trying to siege
Are Nidbanes fun to use? Does anyone have experience with them?
>>1502859yeah basically this siege is essentially non real for all non major powers and against insignificant holdings
What's a faction? A village?
It's already too late to start, right?
>>1502920a Faction is a group of meta players with a PVP focus and a private client. Account sharing is common. Bot usage is common.A village is a function in the game which factions and non factions both possess and have varying levels of organization from near-factions to barely organized coalitions of solo players>>1503004You were *probably* never going to be relevant anyways so have fun or don't
>>1502887they don't do anything the majority of the time as griefers just gang bang them and they are only for griefing hermits who try to fight back against griefers
>>1503048what an awful mechanism
>>1503048actually they're pretty cool they give us free experience :^)
Sailed past a guy with the chudjak on his sail while I was fishing, I love this game
im so fucked up
>>1503442>I told you about 4chan bro
I give up. Nurling crashes every 5 minutes. Ard bots are not as good as Nurgling's bots. I did search for other options and the troonsnail was saying some clients get your location and send it to the creator. I don't know how H&H players can be so "toxic" against new players and let troons feel secure there. H&H is a strange community.
>>1504337You have to wait for the client devs to cope with loftar's nonsensical client changes every update to make the ancient barely functioning public clients workable againOr learn Java and make your own clientJust don't touch anything made by shubla unless you want malwareIt's a strange game so the community it grows will also be
almost done playing factorio, if anyone wants to start some sort of hermit commune lmk the times in which you can light a beacon (or want me to, i have no char yet but can go learn carp).
I will hermit hard to understand the mechanisms this time. Next world, if someone with experience takes the lead, I would join a hermit community.
>>1504608I'm too autistic to play with others. A couple years back I played with one other anon and just the pressure of 'having to' continue playing and doing my best to not negatively affect my fellow anon's gameplay made the game less fun. (He didn't make any demands like that, but I don't want to let people down.) Playing with others can be fun but I really dislike committing to things. I play games to unwind, not to be forced into more (implicit) obligations.
Just suffered an unprovoked attack while hunting as a hermit. Now I literally got wounds for literal days and can't do anything outside till my HHP recovers. Nidbane? No I'm just in a lot of pain and don't even have metal nuggets yet. Wish these PVPers would fight each other instead of bullying casual players who just want to chill.At least I didn't get killed or robbed (probably not carrying anything of value), but Jesus Christ I have hardly any HHP left. Week 3 and everything is not fine for the little guys as usual.
>>1505927Playing with /jp/ has always been the best, a shame you can't really replicate it these days because the janitors get upset at netoge threads because of one autistic loon.Really should see if they chilled out over it, haven't seen or tried to make one for at least 5 years now.
>>1505944Just run in a straight line and chug water. Get Bunny Slippers and the Forager credo. Use speed boosts.Turn on sound notification for players and travel to your hearthfire when you hear it.How did he even get close to you?
>>1505944lol rekt
>>1505952>>1505982He had a horse and saw me first. So yeah, indoors for a few days now. Too much HHP damage to risk anything.
Is it worth wearing wood armor and greaves to reduce the chance of being outright killed by overgeared PVP gank squads when exploring? Does it help at all vs. just increasing CON and keeping HHP close to max? Being robbed/wounded is one thing, but losing a main character really hurts and we would probably quit if we lost one to random players at this point.
>>1506104Also thinking of bringing a shield now just for the def manuever, but not sure if it helps.
>>1506035you use hotkeyed anti horse magic?>>1506104use 2 shields and stance you are proficient in (get oak stance and UA combat), other earlygame armor breaks quickly and is kinda shit. max hhp is most important to not dying. hope you have red reduction moves or else none of this matters.
>>1506143>red reduction movesYeah we’re boned. Gotta hope we earn those cards before the next encounter. Thanks anyway.
>>1506143I did not know that existed till now. Probably would have bought me a few minutes to run but I was full on stuff and didn’t have much water anyway. Guess I’ll keep upping my CON, heal HHP wounds and hope for the best. Will probably avoid that area too for a good while.
>>1505944Main land? I got a vortex on day 2 to an empty continent. I can let my char walk naked over the whole map and tab out to shitpost on 4chan without any danger except animals. It gets boring but it is still better than getting ganked.
>>1506208Was quiet in the area till yesterday. Hoping the nearby hermits didn’t get killed either. We have walls up but these guys might be only a bit less dangerous than a wolf pack (for now). Now those animals… they really scare me. But at least they don’t aggro at near max render visibility.
>>1506208Tere are already factions in the empty continent.
>>1506508We're in your walls
>>1506650You aren't, I just checked (also I'm not on the empty continent)
Will H&H change now that it is on Steam?
>>1506783What changes are you expecting?
why wont my cows get pregnantdo they not have sex if you feed them grass
>>1507115Like ground grass? No swill? Are you retarded?
If I put a hat on a claim post, can I retrieve it and replace it with a better hat later on?
>game is made for nolifes>playerbase uses nolife as an insult??
>>1506815Forbidden bots, less grind. No one is actually grinding that shit system.
>>1507425Former is not going to happen and stated as such by devs on the forumLatter is unlikely for the most part.
>>1507425>forbidden botsNever going to happen but they try their best to make the game bot-unfriendly. Bots aren't even a big deal with how time-gated everything is. They are used for repetitive actions. Alt-spam is a much bigger issue.>less grindThere is no endgame that you need to get to. The grind is in your head. Those mega villages always end up with mountains of resources they never use. Some players are preparing for a nuclear-winter that isn't going to happen.>shit systemYes, Quality is a terrible system. They did a better job in Salem where Quality only affects food and absolutely nothing else.
>>1507324Yes, you can also put hats on animals.
can a hermit grief villages or big factions?
>>1507638Destroy their Quest Givers. Pave the ground with swastikas. Build a lean-to at their gate.
>>1507638Last world I constantly camped rivers and thingwalls of big factions and managed to stay relatively good in terms of overall Q simply because crafters and traders would have higher than market quality tools and materials on them at almost all times.This alongside with constant road bashing was enough to piss off two different factions enough that they'd placed scout alts all around my base at some point.
how do i make people not climb up my mine hole to remove visitor debuff and break everything i own
>>1508206visitor gate the minehole
>>1508206This. It gets harder with a cave as you have to either wall off the whole cliff with the cave or terraform so you can wall it in. If you’re lucky, you might have a cave that is on a tiny cliff.
