>A free-to-play MMORPG with crafting, building, landscaping, foraging, hunting, fishing, a dash of poetry, and open PvP combatIts a perma-death survival MMO. World 16 is coming out tomorrow, 1st of November, 20:00 UTC time. The game now has STEAM integration, and for that reason, devs are predicting the biggest player count ever. If you were looking to play this game at some point, this is an interesting time to do it.In addition, there was some major food rework, which essentially gets rid of meta foods and introduces a tier food system, making it easier and more intuitive. There are other minor changes, and what is assumed a re-work of steel producing. >https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3051280/Haven__Hearth/If you are a newbie, I recommend joining a village, there's still time to do it. You can also read the "Quick Help Pages" on the wiki. >https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Haven_and_Hearth_Wiki
Post more, OP.
>>1486748I would've loved to play something like this in the past, but nowadays I'm tired of working in games, so I just play games and avoid all crafting, no matter how difficult that makes the game. At least I'm making my own choices - which is why I also get rid of npcs that are evil, even if they had quest, rewards, etc.
Nope. They do nothing to stop bots and maintaining an army of alts is required to play. There is no anti cheat either. This is a game where veterans shit on new players for fun to make them quit. It's a huge waste of time.The server is likely going to shit itself and they refuse to add another one. They are incredibly unprepared for a Steam release. W16 offers nothing new other than some balance changes for the top 0.1%.Fun game but holy fuck are the devs retarded unironic communists.
PvE is still nothing but boat cheesing and you won't participate in PvP due to 24/7 bot users having throw-away fighters with 3000 STR by the end of November.Play it for the first week chaos but don't get into the quality grind autism.
I'd just end up playing for a month and then dropping it when the inevitable quality grind begins.
Salem is better in many ways and completely f2p now btw.
>>1486748I will only play if I learn how to make a bot. How do I make a bot?
>>1487307Custom clients are on the Steam workshop.
>>1487417I have my old accounts. Is there any advantage playing on Steam?
>>1487426No, everyone plays on the same server.
>>1487426Cheevos.
>>14867483 hours left
>>1488109downloading. looking forward to trying it
>>1486748What is the best way to split alts now? It used to be miner/fighter, forager/hunter and I don't remember the rest.
>>1488247I go with one character for outside activities (foraging, mining and pve) and one who stays inside the base (cooking, farming).Anything more than that and it's turning into a full-time job.
I wait a few weeks for the autism to settle down. I don't want to build right next to a village by accident.
>>1488318beginning of anything is always the most fun when it's just chaos and people (like me) don't know what they're doing.
>775 playersWe're going to the moon!!
>>1488410Right now we are in the speedrunning minmax phase that's all about large groups asserting dominance by rushing Rage and killing every sprucecap they can get their hands on. These players get bored and quit once the "casual" bot users caught up. By then most players are in "waiting for fresh start" mode. 1-2 months into wipe is when casual solo players get to enjoy the game.This is not a PvP game where you can have somewhat fair fights. The PvPers will be lightyears ahead of you in just a week.
game is full of bots don't be fooled
>>1488442You are supposed to use one yourself.
oh no it's over
>>1488478Says 1500 rn on the website. What did W15 get on the first day?
>>1488478That's what 15 years of word-of-mouth marketing and a ProJared video gets you.>>1488489W16 is a new record with 1857 players.The last three worlds all peaked at around 1550. This always went down to around 300 over the following three month. W17 starts in six month.
>>1488494I enjoy checking in on H&H once in awhile because it's the only game I can think of where the inmates effectively run the asylum.
im kinda down to try this game, i did the tutorial and all but now what? do we meet up somewhere? don't feel like grinding resources and building shit alone
>>1488447It's easier to just not install the game.
Here is a good up-to-date guide for beginners.https://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76168
server is up!
you niggers playing?
>>1489242yeap, but alone
ordinary and chill so far.The controls are exceptionally tedious.
>have to craft a bushcraft fishing pole>have the line and hook>no option to craft the poleHuh?
>>1489293Have you discovered all the materials needed to craft the fishing pole?>Tree Bough x1; Block of Wood x1, String x2; Fishline, Fish Hook, Bait
>>1487136>This is a game where veterans shit on new players for fun to make them quit. It's a huge waste of time.This.Also, many developers seldom understand just how destructive the human player can be to the virtual environment. These idiots may have forgotten it, but i remember when H&H was 2D sprites, and the terrain was an actual barren wasteland without trees or animals for at least 30 minutes of walking outside of spawn. Everyone always setup their shit shacks on the grasslands too, preventing those necessary animals from spawning...Even last month, when the game had under 100 "players" (calling them "active clients" would be more honest and accurate) the world map was still horribly cramped and populated by murder hobos who WOULD ABSOLUTELY spend 4+ hours walking to your base to rape you in your sleep and steal your 2 copper bars of <10q. Because zero-sum mentality. You're alive? You're a threat! Even though you clearly have inferior stats and can only deal zero damage!I bet they didn't even change world gen; there are ALWAYS simply too many rivers and lakes that let boats discover everything, and when the murder hobo sees your base on the minimap -- that's it, you're done.I can't fucking imagine what it would be like right now with 10 times that number of players, turning the entire game map into a treeless barren desert. I'm sure most people can't even complete the "make a birchbark cup" tutorial... Just like H&H classic.We've truly come full circle.
>>1489757I heard they buffed salt, but I didn't think the salt would be this strong.
>>1489793> U SALTYYes you fucking nigger i am beyond salty, my entire body is composed of sodium chloride; every time a decent MMO concept comes along with a good amount of development progress on systems and features and artwork, it's also inevitably also owned by some retarded collection of faggots (like you) who have dumb fucking ideas that have been proven failures like: permanent death, infinite stats, robot scripting, third party clients with graphical mods/cheats, and the list goes fucking on and on.Remember when location-specific resources were implemented? When there was no build restriction and people would P-Claim them the moment they were found? Even if they never collected the resources, they just claimed it to stop everyone else from getting it?Yeah you can still do an external brick wall 360' around them RIGHT NOW and the game has no way to detect or prevent it from happening. The same goes for "vault" bases where the player who creates it does so in a way that only they can access the area within. It takes developer intervention to resolve this problem and the answer is always "lol nuke"I'm mad because H&H had promise but it was made by amateurs and continues to be operated in an amateur mindset.
>>1489757You haven't played in over a decade lol. The game has changed a lot.
>>1489801>The same goes for "vault" bases where the player who creates it does so in a way that only they can access the area within.True vaults aren't possible anymore, are they? Fast travel goes via thingwalls nowadays, the Portico has been removed and Crossroads never existed in new Haven.
>>1489242downloaded it on release but never actually booted it up yet.
>>1489801hmm come play black desert with me. good game if you like grinding
>>1489242Yea. listening to DE OST and chillin
>>1489801Wait a couple of months and rush a knarr. Can easily be done in a weekend. Once you're off the main continent nobody will bother you.
>>1489801I used to claim high q clay nodes in 2D H&H and I agree with you. I am back after 10 years, expecting at least they had implemented stats cap, but no, same bullshit as ever.
>>1489937This is exactly the problem. H&H only has the endless q and stat grind. No life botters will excel in both and others will have to live in constant fear hiding behind their pali.
>>1489959And why do you not use bots?
>>1490138>search for h&h bots>always obscure posts>no comments on github page>users saying it has keylogger
>>1490139They are all on the Steam workshop and the forum has a section dedicated to custom clients.
>>1490143t. password stealer
I've gotten my ass kicked by ants for the last 3 days.>just x/y/zI have no fucking clue what is going on during combat. I keep pressing the punch button over and over and the ants are doing like 14 damage a hit.
>>1490432Classic humiliation ritual. Kite ants away and raid the village.
>>1490461>humiliation ritual>the wiki claims they're easy and safe to fight>the correct answer is just to kite them and steal their juicey soldier bussiesIn retrospect, I'm not surprised the wiki was having a giggle.
>>1490432>I have no fucking clue what is going on during combat. I keep pressing the punch button over and over and the ants are doing like 14 damage a hit.Every time you Punch, you increase the Ants' green opening (vulnerability to attack), then you deal damage depending on your strength and Unarmed Combat skill, multiplied by the opening. (I don't think it scales linearly, but higher opening = more damage.) This is why you do 0 damage on your first Punch but then gradually start doing more damage, until the Ants use a move that reduces their green opening which reduces your multiplier.It also works the opposite way around: when an enemy hits you, one or more colors of openings increase. You need to use 'restoration moves' like Quick Dodge (for green opening) or Sidestep (for blue opening) to reduce your openings to keep the enemy's damage from getting out of hand. Make sure you have enough UA skill, then alternate between punching and using appropriate-color restorations.But if you just want the loot, kiting away the ants is easier in that specific case. You want to practice combat using the ants as you need it for other animals, though. (Ants are good for practice as they deal little damage and are very slow, trivial to run away from if you're losing.)
>>1490694Oh, I should add that the amount of opening you receive also depends on your UA (unless you switch to a Melee maneuver), so if you're at 1 Unarmed Combat skill the ants will build up your opening super fast even if you try to restore it. (Likewise, the more UA you have the bigger the openings you'll get on the enemy.)
>>1490694That's fine. I already uninstalled. Not out of rage. Met some nice enough people. Topped off my claim. Whatever happens, happens. Just got bored of waiting for everything.
>>1490697How much str is enough to deal with ants?>>1490704Farewell, zoomie.
Just use a bow to kill boars, foxes and badgers from a dugout to get all the meta combat moves.
>>1490138I don't want to use 20 bots and turn what should be a comfy survival base building game into an eternal rts match
>>1490712Any stats is safe, as you can just walk away and spam restorations before going in again. For killing them faster than they can spawn, a bit above 10 UA works if you're fast and are willing to take some damage, and it gets easier the more UA you have.Note that ants penetrate armor, so there's no point to wearing armor (the bone stuff, and later leather/metal armor) when fighting them.
Tempted to play but will probably end up alone behind a palisade for the whole world again. I guess there are achievements this time now. Is the default client good enough for casual soloing? I don't plan to go into pvp combat or fighting for high q resources for the most part, maybe just a bit of casual scavenging of ruins later on.
>>1490863>Is the default client good enough for casual soloing?No, use Ender for casual solo
>>1490797Use Ender's Client and turn on animal notifications and animal range. YOu will hear a sound when an aggressive animal shows up on the map. Next world is in 6 months.
Can you still craft toolbelts in this world?
>>1491065yeah, start out with a reedbelt and upgrade to snakeskin/leather+nugget
Will we play together in w17?
How is 3D H&H? I only played 2D.
>>1491761It's almost the same game it was over a decade ago but with 3d graphics and more content. It's just years of small updates and tweaks. Not much has changed. Still in alpha.
>>1491761It has cliffs and the graphics remind me of Salem. Thank God we can make the terrain flat with a client. It is still H&H but with a Salem little touch.
ill just wait until bitcraft comes out. google it its pretty much like this but a lot more intuitive and better interface and no pvp. i think theres an alpha in a week or so too
There are so many lakes and rivers now. Is it still possible to settle in an area that is 4+ grids away from water?
>>1492657I guess. Check the world map. https://map.hearthworld.com
>>1492657Palisades are basically indestructible if claimed. You get spotted either way no matter where you settle. The "don't build near rivers" advice is very outdated.
>>1491761haven and hearth is really not in a good place, jorb has been listening almost exclusively to pvp botters, making the world smaller and doing everything they gaslight him to do and only recently banned them when he found out they have been exploiting for years.Changes are on the whole a mixed bag some things being expanded and are much more interesting, inventory management and cooking is something I would say is a straight improvement over 2d while other things like wounds or metal have become giant turds.
>>1492915>making the world smallerwhatnothe last few worlds including this one have been the largest so far outside of the one time they were forced to expand the world because some griefer was hopping out of bounds and causing corrupt chunks
I hit the motherload. Six full piles of lead ore, took me two hours of non stop mining.
>>1493061Damn. Is mine layer 2 unlocked yet?
>>1493098I had some slag mixed in by accident, it was more like 4 piles. All from layer one, it was like a 40 node area, mined with full skills minus Deep Artifice and Mine Song. All that plus a fuckload of Rock Salt.
>>1493163Craft Diver's Weight and go diving for sponges :^)
Is this world another iteration of "big villiages hunting hermits"?
>>1493756How it should be. Build a palisade and they can't harm you.
>>1493756There has never been an iteration of H&H where I haven't ran like a madman behind my pali the moment I see a stranger.
>>1486748Can this game be played in a group/co-op?>>1485301
>>1493920You'd have to be very insane to play it alone
>>1493920You could also play Salem which is the colonial witch hunt version.
Salem has:>PvE that isn't about cheesing and stat-checking>an actual PvE endgame>offline base defence>way more options to dress your character>agriculture with tiered crops and fertilizers>a less tiresome Quality system that only applies to food>your character slowly going insane and experiencing psychotic episodes>instead of waiting on curios you accumulate inspiration points that you can spend immediately>a lot more skills to unlock>less pointless systems and food items>a city where you can meet other players, punish criminals, sell items and get quests>a server that never wipesIt has far less players than Haven but still an active discord channel. Right now it has around 150 daily users. It's not completely abandoned by the one dev working on it either.They are both very very similar games for obvious reasons but the PvE experience in Salem is much better imo.
>>1494143Salem does not have:Pushout
>>1494143>150 daily users>one dev working onwtf? what happened?
>>1494188Salem switched hands a few times and had long breaks without new content. HnH will also be at ~100 daily players within a few months.HnH tracker (keep in mind they just released their game on Steam)https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/track/Salem trackerhttp://login.salemthegame.com/portal/state
>>1494165Yep, you get stuck on trees a lot.
>>1486748Yo do we have a Village? IGN: Breadthief69
>>1494143>instead of waiting on curios you accumulate inspiration points that you can spend immediately>mfw i still remember pre-curio system
>>1494524I started playing H&H in the last pre-curio world 4. Fucking Bucket factories deforesting entire regions.
Can I safely leave my claim bond in my study while exploring? Seems like the only risk is if someone takes it after you die, which costs presence to replace.
>>1494563Only the claim owner can transfer the claim bond by clicking it on another character. If it gets stolen, you can get a new one at your claim pole. There is no reason to steal it anymore.You should have your bond on an alt so it won't take up space in the study window.
>>1489757This is why I am going to play Anvil Empires. I played Salem when it was new and it was just one dipshit called the chief trolling everyone with his characters that had impossible stats after a patch that made making said characters no longer possible, but didn't actually delete the ones already around.
>>1493756That's all the game is, that's why most of the core playerbase only cares about new worlds, it's an influx of new players and new targets, they don't care if their actions tank the player count, all they play the game for is to see people rage about getting killed. The player count is already trending downwards, I'm not even sure how this problem can be solved, maybe the game is just a lost cause, which is a shame because I think it does so many things well, not many sandbox MMOs get the feeling of progression done as well as it does.
>>1495240Haven is a game of chores. Players quit once the upkeep grind becomes all that's left. Players would still quit even on a PvE server. There's really not much PvE content to begin with.
Are airlocks worth it for a small hermitage? Or can I just rely on visitor gates? Doubt I will pvp this world and if I see dangerous animals outside I just stay inside. Will just be casual.
>>1495663they are useful for fighting animals as well, wolf packs in particular are difficult to fight even on horseback
>>1495663It's not even optional. You can't go through a visitor gate during combat.If you want to die really quickly have only visitor gates and your hearthfire outside. Someone will park alts near your base to check when you are online. If you leave they can keep you in combat forever.Build an airlock with a normal gate entrance+exit and a cabin to break combat.
If the Milestone icon appears on the map, how can we hide our home and have easy access to the water while carrying a boat?
>>1495720>>1495725Got it. With normal gates outside, can I just leave the visitor gate open for convenience?
>>1496172It should look like this. You can build it much small and add a cabin to it that you can enter to drop aggro. You can have visitor gates on all sides and leave them all open if you want. Also have vgates around your minehole.Normal gates should never lead directly into your base. If you lose your slave key, players can enter without visitor buff and commit crimes.
Any reason to get into this at all since there's MANY new options in full loot PvP MMOs now?>Mortal Online 2>Albion Online>Ashes of Creation (soon)>Ark Survival Island Hopping>Rust (when they implement island hopping)>AnvilEmp>more I am not even listing
>>1496230Very few players get to participate in actual PvP fights. The other 99% avoid conflict because PvP can result in permadeath. Most players don't even understand how the combat works. Haven is not really a PvP game.
I HAVE USED RUSTROOT 100 TIMES AND STILL CANT FIND ORE
>>1496293i recognize that cave system
>>1496267Plus if you're not botting your stats are not going to be competitive.
Is it sufficient to survive a pvp encounter by raising CON and max HP or should I still wear armor? I read that Murder no longer allows you to hit KO’d players, so I just need to survive the killing blow and select auto-hearth to retreat. Of course, I’ll still be fully robbed but it’s better than losing a main.
>>1496293Are you looking for ore for a lvl2 mine or what? Rustroot works for level lower than you're standing on.
post boats>>1496419i know those are the spots i prospected on lvl1 because i overlayed a transparent image of lvl1 onto my surface's map
>>1496403you need some combat skills to reduce openings as well. For the most part yes you can survive as long as you keep your con up. I have had alts survive a gank just by making sure to keep their con up with the rest of their stats in the 120's
>forager credo + bunny slippers>custom client >restorations that reduce red opening>Oak Stance>a million Waterskins and high energy food like Butter PorridgeDid I miss anything? Simply being able to run in a straight line while chugging water will get you out of most situations.
>>1496686>"Speed buffs from "Forager" credo and "Bunny Slippers" have been inverted. Rather than making you run faster, they now make animals chased run slower."
>>1496712>one patch later>Reverted the recent changes to the speed buffs provided by the "Forager" credo and "Bunny Slippers", due to public outcry. It could perhaps be argued that "Bunny Slippers" are particularly egregious in this regard, as they enforce a meta where "Bunny Slippers" are the only footwear possible to use in PvP. Feel free to suggest changes. Reverting for now, but open to arguments.
>>1496722Where? The ringofbrodgar is slow as fuck.
>>1496293Terrible luck, it took me two rustroots to find tin. The start of mining is still a miserable experience and needs to be fixed. Also prospecting should be the level you're on, prospecting is fucking ass.
>>1496403Unless the person chasing you has murderous rage (blood droplet icon next to him), you cannot die to a player unless you are wounded below 40% of your maxHP. If they do have it, you can die if they have a B12 and can 10%-offset guess your maxHP.
>>1496788Can't they activate when you are down to continue attacking you?
>>1496855no, when you are down you can no longer be attacked
Yo how do I play with other Anons???
>>1496855How about for wolves and bears? Does more hp and armor lower the chance they kill you when hitting you KO’d so they get bored and leave? I think they still hit you when downed but each time they attack they have a chance to stop.
>>1497031Bears can give you one last slap to your max HP when you are downed but you can survive that even on a fresh character if you have no mayor wounds. A pack of wolves will pretty much always kill you. Entering a Wolf Lair unprepared is guaranteed death. Armor always help. It's random but with wolves you aggro all of them and it's enough if just one wants you dead. Stay inside during a full moon.
>>1497047How can you tell if it’s a full moon?
>>1497302It shows moon phases when it's night on the UI?
>>1497302Wolves right outside your base.
they should've stuck with 2d. the game looks like kajko i kokosz
>>1497047If anything the wolf lair is pretty forgiving as it's only up to 4 wolves instead of the dozen wolf groups that rape you outside
>>1496944You find a group that wants to play the game and start together. One guy spawns first and rushes the carpentry beacons.You need carpentry and discovery of boards, wood blocks, stone and clay. When you build the beacon you lit it up and give it a password, the players spawning need to give that password to a thing in the fence when they create their character. It's one beacon per person spawned
>>1497619I miss the old hearth fire password system. Beacon is gay and dumb.
>>1497634it's the same but with the extra chore of getting resources first
>>1497594For the same reason as why people don't make 2d isometric games anymore, it is much easier to make a 3d model than 8+ consistent drawings of the same object.
>>1497725It is a pain in the ass to grind mats and wait for the leaderfag to be online.
>>1494205>HnH will also be at ~100 daily players within a few months.Seems like you missed that by a factor of 50 as there are 5k+ daily users and 1500+ players online at all times.
>>14977861500+ is just few hundred more than the previous high of new world. Might stabilize to 300.
http://brodgar.io/tracker/After six month the game is pretty much over. Barely any human player are left at that point. Luckily that's when W17 starts.
>>1497634>I miss the old hearth fire password system.I can't find the image of the koreans shitting out 9000 alts to block a cave so this will have to do
>>1497902that was literally done in response to the same exploiting faggots who constantly used bugs to bypass walls
>>1497902you deserve it
>>1497902Korea #1 Get fucked wide eye
>>1497782can someone leader fag and get us a beacon/village? I am tired of being a poor fieldfag
>>1498247villages require regional resources to make, it won't happen without loads of dudes on it already which means you need to group up with beacons in the first place
>>1498261>>1498247Korea #1 Get fucked wide eyesthis our game
>>1498247I have a village, but I have horrible experiences calling random people from here.But if you want to do that you indeed need to get the people over to your place first, claim a cave, and live like a ghetto until you hit metal for the village claim
>>1498922>horrible experiences calling random people from here:(
>>1499060most of the time when you do that you end up getting one or two random big faction niggers to grief the whole thing
>>1499066>>1499060>>1498922Korea #1You will submit to Korea
>>1499270try to pass through my chink army
>>1486748Going to build a wilderness beacon next time on if you guys want to play together. Anyone interested?
>>1499377Build twenty and post the codes here.
>>1499461wildy beacons burn out in 15 minutesthere's literally no way to get a group going on a board as slow as /vm/
>>1499607My recommendation is to host a steam group and invite people through the steam group chat, fuck discord
>>1499611>>1499607>>1499461>>1499309https://steamcommunity.com/groups/vegetable4ch
>>1493756hey that's what I've been doing all world so far :^)
>>1499617I've leveled a field. got a base building. Had help from a single eastern european guy. Join the group if you want to play with us :)
Hey anons, did you know that Misa is a Brazilian pedophile? In case any of you were thinking about playing with or trading with Whatever Bay. Keep that in mind instead of associating with a known nonce.
>>1499632Do you have any proof? I don't want to play with a pedophile
>>1499635https://imgur.com/a/evidence-misa-theservant-pedophilia-vd1Avb9Evidence from d*scord and the forums both in here
>>1499657Okay play with /v/ instead lolhttps://steamcommunity.com/groups/vegetable4ch
>>1499632>>1499635>>1499657I can't tell where you came from, but it's horridly obvious that you just tried to fake a conversation with yourself.
>>1499720I'll admit to you that I'm the resident factionnigger in this thread (I was posting here back in the siege around the end of last year/start of this year) and thus privy to goings on in the game sure but I'm an /int/nigger first and play other games with /vm/ and fuck you nigger I didn't fake it I just wanted to let anons know not to play with pedos
>making sure the ground is 100% even when you can just "flatten terrain" in the settingsNot my problem.
>>1498922IDK< join the steam group and talk to me, at this point I'd travel over kill myself
what are the odds of getting stabbed by jeets in this game? Just checked the forums and they seem like shitters
>>1500667There are exactly 0 players from India.Put down a claim. It takes 8 hours to become active. Factions have countless bots to monitor the area around their location. You will notice when you try to settle in the wrong spot.Rush Yeomanry, build a Palisade and nobody can touch you.There's no real downside to killing players right now. Losing a fresh character means nothing. Use bot clients and have alts for everything instead of one main.
>>1500699>bot clientsis it safe?
>>1500979as the only real value to this game is a dick sucking and posturing circle most clients are safe. with anything however there is always a chance that the client maker is simply playing the long game and waiting to have enough people using it before stealing account information like what happened with a client a few years ago.
>>1499657>https://imgur.com/a/evidence-misa-theservant-pedophilia-vd1Avb9this misa guy sounds pretty based
>>1501436You are a pedo and probably also a huemonkey
>>1500979Just don't use any Shubla malware clients and you'll be fine
>>1501142>>1501647https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/cltrack/it looks like ard and nurgling are popular and safe but both clients are abandoned, wtf?
>>1501675welcome to Haven lolThey both have unofficial forks which maintain them, you can get them from the steam workshop as well
I want to commit crimes and steal from other players but everyone has a palisade that makes them unraidable and auto-teleports the moment I'm on screen.Are criminals really limited to clueless newbies that have nothing of value to begin with?
>>1501675Nurgling isn't abandoned, it just got a re-write.
>>1501716While that's the number 1 victim I assure you we also take out players with a bit more. All I'm hearing here is skill issue
>>1501810How to get into someones palisade? The whole siegecraft thing is impossible to pull off for 99,9999% of the playerbase.
>>1501822If some hermit gets a proper pali up they're basically safe since it's never worth a siege. Look at the claim safety thread and target retards who failed I guess.
>>1501982"Sandbox" MMO with indestructible sandcastles. Dumb .
>>1501822>>1502323A two men village can wipe out all their neighbor with minimal material investment even behind palisades. There's no system in place to prevent you to do that besides an initial time and material investment.
>>1502333fake and gay
>>1502333One more reason why Salem is just better designed. It had six different tiers of walls. In HnH every noob gets the highest tier, an Iron Wall for free.
>>1502323I mean they're not indestructible, just not worth the effort unless it's a sizable settlementt. partook in 2 sieges last world of which one succeeded and the other failed
>>1502640Was the target offline for 1 day?
>>1502680The siege that failed fought back and employed really active annoying tactics, the siege that succeeded tried a little to fight back but could not summon reinforcements from abroad so were not there constantly
>>1502766A hermit like me has no chance then?
>>1502853in sieging or being siegedeither way you're fine as long as you don't manage to urge 80% of the factions in the game to hate you for some retarded reasoneven at that point odds are they'll just gank you 24/7 instead of trying to siege
Are Nidbanes fun to use? Does anyone have experience with them?
>>1502859yeah basically this siege is essentially non real for all non major powers and against insignificant holdings
What's a faction? A village?
It's already too late to start, right?
>>1502920a Faction is a group of meta players with a PVP focus and a private client. Account sharing is common. Bot usage is common.A village is a function in the game which factions and non factions both possess and have varying levels of organization from near-factions to barely organized coalitions of solo players>>1503004You were *probably* never going to be relevant anyways so have fun or don't
>>1502887they don't do anything the majority of the time as griefers just gang bang them and they are only for griefing hermits who try to fight back against griefers
>>1503048what an awful mechanism
>>1503048actually they're pretty cool they give us free experience :^)
Sailed past a guy with the chudjak on his sail while I was fishing, I love this game
im so fucked up
>>1503442>I told you about 4chan bro
I give up. Nurling crashes every 5 minutes. Ard bots are not as good as Nurgling's bots. I did search for other options and the troonsnail was saying some clients get your location and send it to the creator. I don't know how H&H players can be so "toxic" against new players and let troons feel secure there. H&H is a strange community.
>>1504337You have to wait for the client devs to cope with loftar's nonsensical client changes every update to make the ancient barely functioning public clients workable againOr learn Java and make your own clientJust don't touch anything made by shubla unless you want malwareIt's a strange game so the community it grows will also be
almost done playing factorio, if anyone wants to start some sort of hermit commune lmk the times in which you can light a beacon (or want me to, i have no char yet but can go learn carp).
I will hermit hard to understand the mechanisms this time. Next world, if someone with experience takes the lead, I would join a hermit community.
>>1504608I'm too autistic to play with others. A couple years back I played with one other anon and just the pressure of 'having to' continue playing and doing my best to not negatively affect my fellow anon's gameplay made the game less fun. (He didn't make any demands like that, but I don't want to let people down.) Playing with others can be fun but I really dislike committing to things. I play games to unwind, not to be forced into more (implicit) obligations.
Just suffered an unprovoked attack while hunting as a hermit. Now I literally got wounds for literal days and can't do anything outside till my HHP recovers. Nidbane? No I'm just in a lot of pain and don't even have metal nuggets yet. Wish these PVPers would fight each other instead of bullying casual players who just want to chill.At least I didn't get killed or robbed (probably not carrying anything of value), but Jesus Christ I have hardly any HHP left. Week 3 and everything is not fine for the little guys as usual.
>>1505927Playing with /jp/ has always been the best, a shame you can't really replicate it these days because the janitors get upset at netoge threads because of one autistic loon.Really should see if they chilled out over it, haven't seen or tried to make one for at least 5 years now.
>>1505944Just run in a straight line and chug water. Get Bunny Slippers and the Forager credo. Use speed boosts.Turn on sound notification for players and travel to your hearthfire when you hear it.How did he even get close to you?
>>1505944lol rekt
>>1505952>>1505982He had a horse and saw me first. So yeah, indoors for a few days now. Too much HHP damage to risk anything.
Is it worth wearing wood armor and greaves to reduce the chance of being outright killed by overgeared PVP gank squads when exploring? Does it help at all vs. just increasing CON and keeping HHP close to max? Being robbed/wounded is one thing, but losing a main character really hurts and we would probably quit if we lost one to random players at this point.
>>1506104Also thinking of bringing a shield now just for the def manuever, but not sure if it helps.
>>1506035you use hotkeyed anti horse magic?>>1506104use 2 shields and stance you are proficient in (get oak stance and UA combat), other earlygame armor breaks quickly and is kinda shit. max hhp is most important to not dying. hope you have red reduction moves or else none of this matters.
>>1506143>red reduction movesYeah we’re boned. Gotta hope we earn those cards before the next encounter. Thanks anyway.
>>1506143I did not know that existed till now. Probably would have bought me a few minutes to run but I was full on stuff and didn’t have much water anyway. Guess I’ll keep upping my CON, heal HHP wounds and hope for the best. Will probably avoid that area too for a good while.
>>1505944Main land? I got a vortex on day 2 to an empty continent. I can let my char walk naked over the whole map and tab out to shitpost on 4chan without any danger except animals. It gets boring but it is still better than getting ganked.
>>1506208Was quiet in the area till yesterday. Hoping the nearby hermits didn’t get killed either. We have walls up but these guys might be only a bit less dangerous than a wolf pack (for now). Now those animals… they really scare me. But at least they don’t aggro at near max render visibility.
>>1506208Tere are already factions in the empty continent.
>>1506508We're in your walls
>>1506650You aren't, I just checked (also I'm not on the empty continent)
Will H&H change now that it is on Steam?
>>1506783What changes are you expecting?
why wont my cows get pregnantdo they not have sex if you feed them grass
>>1507115Like ground grass? No swill? Are you retarded?
If I put a hat on a claim post, can I retrieve it and replace it with a better hat later on?
>game is made for nolifes>playerbase uses nolife as an insult??
>>1506815Forbidden bots, less grind. No one is actually grinding that shit system.
>>1507425Former is not going to happen and stated as such by devs on the forumLatter is unlikely for the most part.
>>1507425>forbidden botsNever going to happen but they try their best to make the game bot-unfriendly. Bots aren't even a big deal with how time-gated everything is. They are used for repetitive actions. Alt-spam is a much bigger issue.>less grindThere is no endgame that you need to get to. The grind is in your head. Those mega villages always end up with mountains of resources they never use. Some players are preparing for a nuclear-winter that isn't going to happen.>shit systemYes, Quality is a terrible system. They did a better job in Salem where Quality only affects food and absolutely nothing else.
>>1507324Yes, you can also put hats on animals.
can a hermit grief villages or big factions?
>>1507638Destroy their Quest Givers. Pave the ground with swastikas. Build a lean-to at their gate.
>>1507638Last world I constantly camped rivers and thingwalls of big factions and managed to stay relatively good in terms of overall Q simply because crafters and traders would have higher than market quality tools and materials on them at almost all times.This alongside with constant road bashing was enough to piss off two different factions enough that they'd placed scout alts all around my base at some point.
how do i make people not climb up my mine hole to remove visitor debuff and break everything i own
>>1508206visitor gate the minehole
>>1508206This. It gets harder with a cave as you have to either wall off the whole cliff with the cave or terraform so you can wall it in. If you’re lucky, you might have a cave that is on a tiny cliff.
Curious re: Cave Angler, when it spawns does it damage the player’s boat or only the player? Does it flee after taking enough ranged damage?
>>1508347it will only damage your boat if it tries to swim into it, the cave anglers attacks have some range to them and it won't be moving so it shouldnt damage your boat. Yes
I'm skipping W16. They added nothing new. Are you just going through the same routine every World until the upkeep grind makes you quit?
>>1508141>road bashingDoes Vandalism allow trails destruction?
what should i put in my new basement lads
>>1509612Build a village claim and claim cave layers with banners.
>>1509612fishing nets (lol)
Is it worth walling up a mine hole at L1 > L2 or would a claim suffice? No idea yet if there is a lot of ore under.
>>1511463wall every hole no matter what
Why so dead?
>>1511998https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/track/small playerbase
Im doing fine, just finished adding a basement to my own house.
>>1515502uwu I know this claim :3
>>1509612pure soul bro
>>1486748is it true?
>>1516775nah, slavs were only scary in legacy but that's just because everyone who killed people pretended to be russian
>>1516775>>1516775I think the only big russian village is Norsca. There's dedicated griefer groups that are not explicitly from a particular nation ten times worse than Norsca.
>>1516779isn't the majority of wb players russian?
>>1516884Polish led town
>>1516857>Norsca>Nordic-ScandinavianMan those Russians and their naming schemes.
If a candle disappears from someone I kin'd, does that mean they removed me from their kin list or did they die?
>>1519938>does that mean they removed me from their kin listyes
>lmao sprucecaps don't know this what retards XD>uhn that is wrong because ringofbrodgar is outdated>nah I ain't gonna to tell you>lmao sprucecaps don't know this what retards XD>hermits are dumb kys just join a group>bro don't join a newbie village because it is easy target>no bro I can't trust you to join my group>oh fuck I hate drama and getting betrayed>hermits are dumb kys just join a groupThe most insufferable faggot player base I have ever seen in a game.
>>1519938Could be either one
>>1499728The entire Misa drama is fabricated by a troon who plays the game using 100 bots and is the server's biggest paypig whale. They are seething about a Brazilian kissing a 14 year old favelado girl. This Brazilian is not living in WB or part of the leadership.Imagine caring about any of this gay drama and not just using WB market to get the shit you need. Not everyone can be fucked with getting all their shit using a bot army.
>>1520238t. pedo
>>1520269t. footsoldier of a polish tranny
>>1520238>this Brazillian is not living within WBBlatantly false statement, in their public discord he's there with the militia role and current world resident role among other things. (not to mention they all defend him on the forums still...)>it's not noncery for a 23 year old to kiss a 14 year old! and it's a thirdie shithole so who le cares????Fuck off nonce and neck yourself, Noncery is noncery and a state of savagry does not justify it. If you don't think that's noncery you are a nonce and should -ack yourself.>>1520285t. nonce defender(please go commit running out of stamina in water irl)
>This is the tranny leader of the enemies of WBImagine believing this is about anything other than a troon ego trip
>>1520368So maybe go and kill the "nonce" you british retard? You are just picking a random fight with the only faction that has open recruiting and not exclusive to the catgirl discord roleplaying inner circle of ACTUAL TRANNY FAGGOTS (known for being child molesters)
>>1520374You literally defended his behavior, YOU are a nonce>b-but forum shitposting!lol>there's no other public villages!False, the rest of them however know to stay outside of group PVP/worldpolitics.
>>1520384Noone know this pedo or has any relations with him. I work with WB because I need the market for my profession. I don't agree with some 20 year old touching a 14 year old girl but also not about to have a meltdown involving people who have nothing to do with it. I'd put him in an extra decade in jail for bragging about, too, it but in the hellhole Brazil I'd bet justice is a faint distant concept.>You literally defended his behaviorand this is how every discussion with the tranny snailsisters ends up, completely making up lies on the spot. How am I supposed to believe you troons if you're always making up lies? You pretend to crusade for some 14 year old girl in Brazil but snail is always posting about how brazilians are subhuman? What a bunch of literal cocksuckers you are. Good luck with your homosexual siege, should be fun to spend 120 hours looking at our palisades.
>autistic discord drama
holy meltieif you believe the siege is only being led by snail you are literally retarded, he's just a dramawhore who enjoys taking the spotlightyour shitbox is being pounded by 4 different factions, each with some sort of valid enough reason to spend a literal week of staying up and defending shitty objectives that can be smashed in 5 minutes just to bash your outer wallssiege is not real, stop shitting yourself
it seems the troon's underling has started backpedaling and his homosexual rage has subsided. all is peaceful again on the world of haven
>>1520396WB not only doesn't disavow him, they continue to allow him to flourish within the community. I'm sorry for retards like you who have to try and justify this to spin it not being so bad but you literally can't seem to agree as a group to eject him. If you never took loudmouths like him, bobdole, and robben in no one would bother fucking with you beyond the usual hunting hermits in populated locations.
I just completed gem hunter credo and had delicious dinner. kys tranny worshipper i don't care about this at all, siege your unemployed life away.
>>1520238>and not just using WB market to get the shit you need.There's no (public) market though?
>>1520461WB is the public market. It takes a lot of work and manpower to build a market and it needs to be protected heavily because wealthy troons are always raiding any markets that are not their exclusive trooncord marketsThe entire WB faction revolves around the market, and noone else is willing to take the risks. Since we need protection, we require PVPers, and like any other sandbox games, PVPers are cancer loudmouths that survive on drama and ego and create enemies.
I miss comfy 4chan villages.
>>1520460I can't wait for you to lose everything :^)
>>1520470Brodgar existed largely without a PVPer class and what happened when Robben and Roscu decided that it needed one? You got sieged by every single major faction in the game. Twice. Unifying people who literally have more than a decade of meta grudges against each other.>oh no I've been sieged 109 times it was NEVER my fault!
>>1520489Still haven't lost anything in any of your sieges? >>1520493>Uhm if my tranny leader does a roleplay siege on you demanding feet pics that means you're the bad guy!!We literally won every siege? you spend an entire week getting into one of our outer walls and then it's just two more to get to my valuables! It's also funny how you keep dodging the fact that your leader is a literal tranny who speaks exclusively in Nyaa catboy language. Get back to your paypig troon leader, faggot, he needs you to pick some wheat.
>>1520489You are an obvious hermit lying about being a member of one of the weakest factions for ???????? reasons on /vm/.>>1520503You are screaming about "polish trannies" while living in a town ran by polish trannies. (but you not knowing this also means that you are probably pretending to be a member of it?)Does nobody in this thread actually play the game?
>>1520503>You're all snail!lol, lmao evenI'm glad his forum shitposts continue to rattle retards like you, keep giving him the attention he cravesMy highlight of last world was KOing a WBer who tried fleeing when we had gotten relatively deep before the palicancer set in, I got so much free silver and silk from that. Even if you survive the siege, low tier villagers will be demoralized, ask if it's better to join some less controversial public village or play as a hermit. Either leadership will change or WB will die by a thousand cuts, because you best believe if you've managed to unite EVERY MAJOR HISTORICAL FACTION into doing anything together instead of killing each other TWO WORLDS IN A ROW it will only continue...>>1520567this game sucks I'd rather shitpost to my fellow channoids than actually play :^)
>>1520574Wow so we can dodge your siege by... moving somewhere else? That's intimidating. Seems like you care about the gay politics much more than I do, I just care about the market. I didn't even realize I was talking to an actual poorfag whose highlight was getting their hands on some silk and silver.Day 3 of your siege and the village is completely unfazed btw, most villagers aren't even aware and are just asking how to complete their farmer credos.>>1520567Our leaders are polish but our tranny is dutch
>>1520585Have you considered not being in a hermit village which larps like a pvp faction
Is there anything useful I can do with low q seeds / swill or should I just dump it? Seems like it lowers animal q and low q produce is meh as well.
>>1520585>but our tranny is dutchThere's like 7 different ones now, which one is the dutch? Because I specifically know of the three poles and the one bong. The three other ones are mystery meat nationality.>>1520610Just dump them into Seedcrisp Flatbread and Linseed Loaf.
>>1520601We're a proud hermit village, nice projection.>>1520616I guess our trannies are not as vocal so it doesn't even come up that much.
>>1520634yet you have retards like robben, bobdole, and misa and instead of going no we don't want you bringing the entire outside world against us you embrace them
>>1520634>I guess our trannies are not as vocal so it doesn't even come up that much.Last world I'd wake up to Nini running around the village with a trans flag cape and jest talking about his "plump feminine thighs" and astolfo basically every single day. I doubt much has changed this world.
>forgot about my silkmoths>again
>Misa's not here>Ok he's here but it's not a big deal>Ok he's bad but le snail worse>uhhhh yeah you can siege us all you want no life!!!Is there anyone more disingenuous in this thread than the WB shill?Berth and Troll won't save you this time...
>>1521348OwO did i saw you cwowd stop picking cway, slavebwoy?Get back towo the cway pits! *fwowns*
>>1521387>surely doubling down on the snale accusations will work!!!
stop posting
WB thingpeace status: mogged without so much as a naked alt to contest
So when are the PVP sweat factions gonna attack each other instead of beating up sprucecaps and hermits?
>>1524034This game is gay. Any other true PvP game has features to allow guilds to fight each other (castle siege time, iron mine time, a zone with specific resource etc). You grind your ass in this game to wander around doing nothing, ADHD teleporting to different locations every 10 seconds. TTK is inexistent. Being a permadeath game is not an excuse because everyone thrown their alts to pvp, there is no limitation for multi-accounts and bots.
>>1524034>So when are the PVP sweat factions gonna attack each otherWhere does this assumption that pvp factions don't pvp eachother?
>>1524034There has been aggression between WB, the biggest village in the game, and several small gank squads since week two. Mostly fueled by discord drama you can see by scrolling this thread up.
what are you retarded niggers talking about in the thread
>>1524034beating up sprucecaps and hermits is far more enjoyable than actually fighting competent players
>>1524046>because everyone thrown their alts to pvpThe only one faction I can think of that does this right now are koreans, and they get steamrolled despite having vast numbers every time due to this.Maybe towards the end of the world where factions have an array of accounts from people who quit, they might be using them as pvp alts, but right now doing so is objectively one of the most retarded things you could do unless you're able to consistently keep feeding multiple characters to relevant stats.Which, especially for this world, is even more of a nightmare due to how the new FEP-to-Hunger system works.
>wandering folks with B12 killing sprucecaps, breaking drying walls and killing questgivers around peaceful hermit areas>barely a month inThis isn’t anywhere close to any large villages or important localized resources. Faction battles come and go, but Haven? Haven never changes.
>>1525180why did jorbtard release h&h on steam if they know that would happen?
>>1525180that is kind of the only thing to do anymore, if the world resets every six months there is no point to stock piling resources for quality grinding or autistic world griefing projects
Is it possible to raise and breed animals inside log house cellars? I don’t see any requirement for them to have sunlight, unlike crops.
>>1525180
>>1526276yeah, but there's a weird cap on how many animals can be crammed into a size of a box
The server will be dead in about two months. That's normal. Hardcore players have beaten the game by now and there's nothing left to do.
>>1526276yes, the only potential issue is that they just starve instead of eating grass if you ever miss a feeding cycle which is a much worse hit on their quality
Does druidic rite also allow 100% chance to successfully plant trees directly (without treeplanter pot) and prevent stunted growth? This would still have quality lowered, but I’m thinking it would be helpful for reforesting areas to ensure a stable source of base quality trees.
>>1526570not 100% no, it is definitely around 90% success rate I would say
>>1526519Good riddance. I make random alts just to walk around chopchiping quest givers. Fuck this game.
Can you empty the contents of a compost bin?
>>1526725Try picking the contents with a wheelbarrow. If that doesn't work, no you can't.
For anyone who isn't keeping with drama ill bring you the great(lol) news>WB walls breached>Core(robben mobben whomstever they are) officially announced that they are giving up the fight and WB is technically disbanded with only wb militia left in siege to "fight for the sake of fight">Market was never finished and there's no intentions to build it or its alternative anymore So i hope every hermit/small village is happy with the only decent market being gone(other public markets even if they do appear won't stand for long considering wb isn't there to take the hits)Don't forget to bring hats and tokens to snail charter as thx
>>1527088maybe you hermits should stop playing with the core we all outsiders hateyou get what you fucking deserve, lead coin fiat cuck
>>1527088>tokens to snail charter as thxhow many troons are playing with him?
>>1527111Zero, actually
>>1527088Walls are not breached yet but will probably be in the next 12 hours or so. There might be no WB market this world, ie. all of the market features in the game will probably be inaccessible to anyone who is not part of snail's troon circle.
>>1527149What fucking cope, other people will for sure build public markets, even last world Whatever Bay was not the only village which had one, there were plenty. Not to mention traveling Merchants which have become the norm and are arguably superior to markets as they can fulfill specific orders and often bring extra goodies like good curios to build lasting mercantile relationships.
Was Balls Bay part of Whatever Bay? Or are they a completely different set of faggot retards with sharp implements?
>>1527168>Was Balls Bay part of Whatever Bay?Helped defend Whatever Bay last world from the siege successfully, reversed sides into being the main aggressor and leading force of the siege this world due to Whatever Bay refusing to kick the pedophile and other lowlives out of it despite promising to do so in exchange for help, followed with bragging about how they defended against the siege and "didn't cave into the pressure of a public mob".
>>1527179So they’re all a bunch of faggots then. Let us peasants farm in peace and die to a bear attack like God intended, ffs.
>>1527158Hey retard, I don't think you understand what cope means. Also comparing other markets to WB is laughable and you might be completely ignorant of the scale of things. Noone else is going to script a search feature into their market so good luck clicking your life away to find anything worth it. Noone else will allow outsiders to open up stands, so if you're not part of a big village there is zero chance you will be able to offer anything to sell. But please go ahead and tell me more about the sex offender you're obsessed with.pic related was a pretty funny play from your boss though>snail is totally not our leader!!
>>1527158>le travelling merchants and lasting mercantile relationshipsYou are such a fucking dope, your people talk like such faggots
>>1527201>Noone else is going to script a search feature into their market so good luck clicking your life away to find anything worth it.There are multiple markets that have used it, and the source code is publicly available in: https://github.com/certainly-not-a-cat/fair_reportAlso yes, WB had just a few hours ago admitted that they have full abandoned the village. The public had only been informed of this two hours before the siege engines were at the walls. Despite this the "core" leaders were telling people everything was fine and they were still buying things in the trade channels and urging people that there's no reason to actively panic before this announcement, with Robben himself making quirky comments about how the "siege was taking too long to start".The person here screaming about snail is 100% one of the core members, or one of the raider group members falseflagging for an "epic troll", as anyone else would be fuming considering the events that have unfolded.
>>1527228>updated 5 years ago for w11>that horrid layoutYeah buddy I'm sure you're gonna be the one coding this mess up to shape and running the required bots. Seems like you're coping pretty hard there.
LMAOOOOOOO
>>1527201>Noone else is going to script a search feature into their market so good luck clicking your life away to find anything worth it.The developer of the market for WBs website last world was Irongete, a member of Balls Bay...
i already gave up lads, the constant grind of making curiosities and food and farming was too much for mei shed a tear while planting grass so my cattle could survive without me
>>1527201Tuz CF is never coming back and nothing will ever compare>>1527214uhh mad???>>1527263haha the nonce defending town used the nonce emote
>>1527158Last world every fucking market was sieged at least once, ive seen one completely destroyed nearby meThis time it'll be worse for public markets if anyone is even going to bother building one>But muh barter merchants! Muh direct contact!!!Yeah the thing that everybody wants to avoid via markets and currency
>>1527478yeah but getting all the molehill shit for free was real dope lol
>>1527326>play 24/7 for some weeks>burnout and drop itclassic hafen experience
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Does the occasional yellow fairy thing that passes by do anything? Can you catch it?
>>1528613one that comes out of your kiln/smelter? yes that is a curiosity, you probably aint catching it if you are not on a horse though
>>1528613You get a ton of them if you build smelters in a small room in your mine. They don't despawn until the area is loaded. On the surface they are almost impossible to catch.
>>1528690Theyre very easy to catch if you do enough mining to learn how to.
>>1528613They are quite rare, and they disappear once they touch a wall, i have some but i really dont focus on catching them.
Tried getting the “A Great Hall” experience event by entering Valhalla through the rainbow in the character creation area. Selected my main and entered, got the experience event dialogue and notification, but it didn’t trigger the Steam achievement. Also, when I checked my main after, he didn’t have the lore event unlocked. Is this experience event buggy or broken?
>>1528613You can craft Irrlantern with it. Its a lantern that just emits light and cannot be use to light stuff on fire. You cant turn it off but it does burn for a week straight.
Whatever Bay village claim just got smashed, by the way.
>the rotten core abandoned WB so hard that there were zero sorties, zero real attacks against the siege engines, and now there's zero vidolNever forget that hermits, Robben would rather hang out with his pedophile buddy in whatever village they moved to than to actually disavow or go through ANY effort to defend you. I almost feel sorry for the market builder anon-WB absolutely deserves this after all the shitflinging last world though.
>>1532012>I almost feel sorry for the market builder anonYou shouldn't, he was bragging about the market quality and features while uneducated about the fact that the people who even made both of those work were not even linked to Whatever Bay.Which seems to be a running concept for the village, being boastful about things they in fact had practically no link to.
Whats the current state of W16? Am I too late to join?
>>15322361 month and 11 days in1k players stillgoing kinda good all things considered
>>1532236Its fine, all the drama enhances the experience IMO. Do it quickly we are 20 in game days away from winter.
>>1532236Seems comfy enough if you don't settle near any of the PVP villages. My friend and I got KO'd once by a random solo raider but our base never got griefed after we got a palisade up.
How do I step up my curio game? I am at 100ish INT and struggle to break past 4k LP/H. I rely on bug collections, fossil, crowned frog and seer stones, but I feel that's kinda weak.
>>1532801get more intstudy mine curio shit, such as gems and gold cats
>>1532801Knock out hermits and take their curios its less work, game is far too casual with pvp ded for minmaxxing to matter
Is there a list of Trees needed for specific wood crafting like Oak and Yew? This does not include boughs/fruits/bark - the wiki covers that.
>>1532955what a son of bitch
>>1533064Spruce logs give you a shitty gilding and Maple leaves make an ok carpentry gilding. I don't think there's anything else.
>swirling vortex>end up in the middle of the ocean surrounded by dead players>dugout breaksSee you in W17, guys.
>>1534020>going into a vortex on a dugoutIm surprised you have lived this long.
>>1534020>dugout breaksHow? I only get into the *whiiiir* with dugouts because it is easier to repair.
>>1534056I ended up in Very Deep Ocean and it broke the dugout immediately.
>>1534020pics or it didn't happen
>>1534089>swirling vortex>very deep oceandoes not happen
Should I play one character? I don't want to maintain alts.
Anyone here buying Rage on disposable alts just to ensure scents from small-time raiders are usable for Nidbanes?
>>1535532It's possible to play with 1 main with the KO protection in place. but still recommended to have a key alt.
is true that in the new world, things will be faster?
I heard players struggle to get certain seeds from wild plants. Especially pumpkins. Do all wild plants produce the same domesticated plants or are there regional differences?
>>1536403RegionalPumpkins come from the >TRELLIS variantsjust gamble 500 WWW's instead
>>1536403Finally got pumpkins today from WWW. Guess someone in our province finally imported it into the area. Thank god for this catch-up mechanic. I am not voyaging between continents for goddamn pumpkin seeds but I'm thankful someone else did...
How do you find ore? I've been prospecting and checking the walls in caves for days, nothing. Is it just luck?
>>1537488Craft Rustroot Extract https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Rustroot_Extract.Then take a screenshot of the cave layer and put it on paint, guide yourself by the cave entrance and use the extract above cave walls, if you dont close the window that opens after you use it, the red indicator doesnt vanishes, it allows you to intersect one or more of them to easily locate ore below. Mark it on your map then go to your picture and mark the equivalent spot on the map. Should look like pic.Don't bother prospecting randomly, it wastes time, follow cave paths. If the ore is too deep a wall or you find stone too hard, don't bother coming back its faster to find another spot, ore density is abundant but it takes some time to get a feel for it.Yes you should invest big in INT and STR, the other stats are not nearly as useful besides for hardcrap crafting.Dont forget to upgrade your axe/pickaxe every time you can.
>>1537488FYI the red indicator trick, as you can see I didnt close the window so the indicators overlap, easily showing where's the ore.Took me a year to realize you could do that btw, so you're welcome.
Besides seeds, is there another thing that depends on the region? Is there more iron on the mainland than on the other continents?
>>1537592>>1537587I finally found lead. Thanks for the help.
Can you sling stones / shoot arrows over roundpole / dry stone fences? I know palides can't be shot over.
>>1539221noif you can't run through it you can't shoot through it
They should rotate the Stack Furnace model by 180°. Everytime I need to rotate them myself.
Will 30x30 be enough for a solo hermit?
>>1535450he probably meant deep within a large lake since your boat can break in said situation but from the vortex, it sounded like he rolled the worst outcome which can instabreak a fuill dugout
>>1539638that's the trick, a vortex cannot break a full durability dugoutpeople get too cocky and go "hmm surely 93% is good enough"
>>1539641Surely not getting one extra block to fix now this is worth gamba my chars life onOr maybe they only rely on the gob health percent instead of actually looking at the seaworthiness bar
If I drop an item on the ground will it be added to the global trash pool? Is fishing or digging better to recover items?
Just got attacked by an eagle while in my palisaded base in forest/grassland biome. I thought eagles only spawn in mountains? Are there any conditions where they can spawn elsewhere? The only thing different I can think of is that my friend let go of a bunch of bunny rabbits (babies) some time before it happened.
>>1540007Got attacked again while farming. What is going on with these eagles?
>>1540023probably someone fucking up while killing the eagles on the mountains so they run away to your farm and then aggro on you
Does the Knarr still have that damage taken limit per hour? I am tired of destroying milestones, I need a new grief idea.
>>1540242>destroying milestoneYou are a bad person and you should feel bad.
>>1540290But enough about Snail. I only grief big factions tho.
>>1539079Literally everything in the game is region dependent as far as frequency goes. If you cant find an specific ore, either trade with the one you have or try prospecting 8-10 map grids away. >>1539536A large base is 70% farmland and animal pens. Dont sweat with sizes if you are starting, you can eventually move away or expand, the cost of it is trivial once you get your industry going. Usually people aim for a 100x100 plot since you can found a solo village and easily sustain it even with a single character earning LP, and the base claim size is 101x101. There's nothing wrong with starting small, you save on LP.>>1539678If you drop on the dirt is added to a local pool, if you drop on the water is a global pool. Fishing and hunting for salvage that spawns on beech terrain is better. In fact that can be a major find for a solo hermit starting late, people throw away trash that can help you skip days of farming, like high quality bones or stones for higher tool Q.
>>1540242based griefer>>1540297nvm cringe you should grief hermits too they deserve it more
How long do KO scents last for? I just got rage and killed a man in deep water (he drowned) because he tried to steal two of my bears from my snekkja while I was legitimately in render range of it.
Do you need to build the Mound Bed before it snows?
>>1540507It can be after, but your already planted crops die if you do that.
>see a ruby dragonfly>pick it up with my survival 1 character>drop it
>>1540575this is not how the game works
Which credo should I get if I don't have alts?
>>1540478Cool story, bro. Did you try talking to him? Enjoy your nidbanes and ranger wannabes.>>1540715Forager is always a good start if you don't know what to focus on yet.
Do constructed items like walls and buildings decay underground in caves or deeper levels without a claim?
>set up for winter>Jorb delays it again>>1540715A lot of them, more than you can handle as a beginner. Rather pick one related to an activity you like to do a lot and cover your blind spots with trading.>>1541207Yes, but the decay rate on any cave level is slower. Not sure how much.
What is the best profession to craft good curios as a hermit?
>>1541469mining objectively opens up the biggest amount of avenues but requires heavy STR to mine and INT for mental weight
>>1541475Does fishing cover a miner strenght?
>>1541525for L1 (caves)? Sure.For L2? Eeeh, maybe if you eat a gorillion.
Was it always this easy to find quality 40-50 forageables? Which quality range is considered above average? The swamp near me has Q45 toads and I found a bunch of Q43 Dandelions.
How can I protect a cave entrance on a steep cliff? Seems like even if I build a palisade against the cliff, someone can jump up and then down the cliff to get in. Or sneak in-between the wall and palisade somehow.Should I wall it in from the cave side? Wiki says the tiles close to the entrance are unmineable, maybe I can build a straight wall and gate against the cave entrance walls?
>>1542311Flatten the cliff and build a palisade around it.>>1541797Forages and animal Q now randomizes around every in game week or so. From experience it seem to work within a range IE it doesnt go from 40Q one week to 10Q. You just got lucky.
Do mound beds work on anything? Just saw a swamp with mound beds.
>>1542614They are describe as giving off an "aura of summer". I think it works for forage so you can pick stuff on winter but I am not sure.
>The firebrand burned down.>The firebrand burned down.>The firebrand burned down.
Why is everyone so autistic about keeping the master key on an alt now that Palisades are basically indestructible without sieging. Is this a 2d Haven thing? I've been keeping mine in a random container with the visitor gates open so everyone can look at it.
>>1543166There's ways to remove the visitor buff by going down mineholes or you can mess up and leave a section open and not realize it. That advice makes so no matter what happens you always have a way back in.
>>1543166Also depends on how autistic you are on defenses. Leaving visitor gates open invites raiders to scout out, locate possible locations for valuables, and plan an attack later on. Also letting your HF be visible let's them record times of day when you are active to possibly ambush you outside. At this stage of the game, there are probably few who would bother with this on random hermit settlements, but as the faction wars die down and folks start going inactive, bullying hermits becomes the remaining players' past-time. Even if you're small, build up a fortress, keep it hidden / low-profile and leave no openings.
A really big village popped up near me over night. They checked my base multiple times already. How over is it for me?
>>1520453since when moralfaggotry became a virtue?
>>1543166it's not that dropping visitor debuff exploit doesn't exist, it's that it wasn't rediscovered yet since the last fix
>>1541469you don't specialize as a hermit, you run an army of alts
>>1544338esl thirdie detected
>>1544175Talk to them and befriend at least 1-2 villagers before it's too late. If you're too quiet you'll be seen as an unknown threat. Better find out now if you can co-exist. Visit them with an alt if you have to. Probably bring gifts if you can and act as a friendly neighbor. That might just be a autistic hermit migrating from somewhere else too.
Can you destroy cave entrances from the surface or underground? Does tossing enough soil on it collapse it? Or can you bash/ram it?
>>1544408You can't destroy cave entrances in any way, best next thing it walling it from the outside if possible, or the inside. In the inside case, there's an area around the cave entrance that cannot be mined out, you can build palisades and block that entrance but it doesn't prevent people from mining out a path from a near cave.>>1544382People are receptive to others on this game despite what veterans believe, them being pathological autists themselves. Even in most cases they will not fuck with people living nearby out of convenience of not being fucked back.Having said that, you can be unlucky and settle besides a mega sperg proto-tranny that has a need to exert control on the only thing in his life he has power. >>1544341I think a beginner should start with two characters at most, a miner and a crafter, it gets overwhelming beyond that.
How do you even raid an active base? It seems completely impossible to 99.999% of the playerbase.
>>1544972You can put a challenge on a realm's Thingwall, after a certain time it gets accepted and you are allowed to build battering hams. Also if you have 800STR+ you can handbash palisades with the demo hammer.
>>1544977>800STR+ you can handbash palisadesNot claimed or claimed? Also, living in a Realm is more risk to raids?
>>1544977only if they are unclaimed
>>1545006no difference, except maybe if it's AD realm, because they tend to pillage their own hermits
So Palisades on a claim are impossible to break and naked alts with no stats can defend with Archery Towers or break the Battering Ram if you don't look at it for 24/32 hours?How did they get into WB?
>>1545070Entire core plot ran away to live somewhere else already earlier in the world while still pretending to be in the village to leech off mats/donations.They just walked into the middle and made catapults/battering rams close to the idol and AFK'd next to it.They got party permissions from an insider fed up with the leadership running away and dooming the village, but that didn't really matter because fresh palisades are just like 3 extra minutes for fresh alts to plow through.TL;DR: No leadership (ran away), no allies (pissed off every faction in the entire game), no defence (nobody even bothered, there wasn't even a single fight).
>>1545070Nobody is using battering rams, they use catapults.The only way big noob villages could fight back hordes of experienced raiders was with SoS. They whined for SoS to be nerfed, now they whine they don't have anyone to kill with WB gone and there's no content.And even if they can't take your pali down, you can't do shit if all your members get ganked the moment they go outside. You can't develop.
>>1545291>Nobody is using battering rams, they use catapults.Reminder to stop reading past this point, it would have taken 41 hours of non-stop firing from two catapults to break the WB Village Claim.
>>1545300wow look at all these battering ramshttps://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=77183retard
>>1545319okay i looked, now what
>>1545323now get a clue
>>1545291>The only way big noob villages could fight back hordes of experienced raiders was with SoS.Ah yes, the big noob villages such as the British. And snail himself.
Do Aurochs/Mouflon still spawn during winter?
Jesus fucking Christ, every single feature in this game is hidden and confusing. Playing H&H offers the same user experience as searching for white people pictures on Google images. Why can't jorb and loftar update the ring properly? I never knew catapults were enough to break a palisade.
>>1545647Its a very esoteric game, I personally find that's part of the charm.
>>1545688The "charm" makes everyone who didn't start playing in 2010 vulnerable to getting killed and losing their base.
>>1545647I've found out you can memorize claim owners just a week ago
>>1545647I mean the game doesn't even give instructions on how to get out of a vehicle by default, I think expecting anything past that point is a fools errand.Although I'm not sure I quite grasp why a catapult that shoots rocks breaking down walls is an unexpected thing.
>>1545771how?
>>1545790CTRL + Right Click a claim.
>>1545809holy shit
>>154571195% of staying safe is settling on the right spot in the world, away from the center and big aggressive village. Even if you fucked up on your settlement spot you can just move away.
>>1545291>they whined no contenthey robben, destroying your reputation in this game forever was content enough for me
>>1545906>everyone who doesn't agree with me is a pedo/fascist/capitalistgo back
>>1545291>and there's no content.Objectively semi-true as a concept itself, most of the game content revolves around the first month and then it just sort of sizzles out on things to conquer or set milestones on, aside from endless PvP slugfests, quality grind and silly little community projects.It's nice to see them attempt to pace out things better recently though, and I think unironically slowing down the progression of metals this world and re-vamping hunger-to-fep was pretty good.>now they whine they don't have anyone to kill with WB goneThis is straight up delusional, where exactly are people saying this? Because PVP groups are fighting eachother in both small skirmishes and in large zerg vs zergs on the sub-daily. (can objectively be confirmed by the seething and screeching about KOs, crashing and arguments about uneven numbered fights in the pvp containment channels in the official discord)The gankers and mragers are consistently posting kills daily.
I don't understand the food changes. I don't really understand what to eat at all. Any help?
>>1546144same as always, just more balancedeat high quality and more complex recipes, that's allsmoked? goodpickled? goodcreamy cock? also good because jorb is a faggotcorrect spices now drastically increase total feps while also increasing hunger, keeping fep/hunger about same, but it's good because you get less satiation per fep
>>1546144>I don't understand the food changes.Everything is good to eat now.
>>1545937I'm literally chudjak incarnate wtf are you getting the idea that I hate any of what you listed but nonces
Just saw that bees stopped flying around my skep even though I have mound beds. Do skeps produce anything during Winter?
>>15443411 Farmer 1 Crafter / 1 Hunter 1 MinerIs that a good split?
It's too late into wipe to be doing that. Play one character and enjoy the game. You aren't competing with anyone but your own autism. Nobody cares what you are going to accomplish. The server will be abandoned in a few months anyway.One character that does everything. Alternatively have one alt without combat stats for crafting/farming.
>>1546983>oy vey make one character so I can kill you and study your skull shalom
>>1547006>*drinks water and clicks on a rabbit*what now?
DEV STREAM IN 1:30 HOURStwitch.tv/bruderbohne
did they disable rat dungeons alreadyI'm yet to see a single one
>>1546932Credos is what really impacts your industries on the long run, since advanced credos need several basic ones there's a lot of redundancy if you choose to make multiple characters.I would say the optimal setup is having a miner, crafter and a foraging alt.The miner is the only character you will actually develop a lot, he will double as a fighter. You will pursuit mining related credos and maybe hunting ones.Your crafter doubles as a farmer, you only give him FEPs enough to hit crafting caps and pursue crafting related credos like sewer, potter and cook.Finally the forager alt is pure PER/EXP with enough survival to hit foraging hardcap. You give him Forager credo and nothing more, so you can afford to lose him on a gank situation, as that will happen eventually.
>>1549765>forager alt is pure PER/EXPeh, most forageables lose worth really quicklyforaged food ingredients can just be potted/mounded and foraged curios just die out really quick due to being outdated and early-centered.it's nice to have a forager/animal killer combo though, because mining is completely AFK and you generally don't want your farmer/crafter to ever leave the place
Advice ITT is from people who have been optimizing their burnout speedrun for over a decade.
>>1549857Having a character you can alt tab to when your main is mining rock is a gameplay improvement actually. If you want speedrun just join a village.
>>1549765I see now, the Tailor credo requires Farmer. Thanks.>>1549883>alt tabI almost fucked up making both chars on the same account. I can still switch.
>>1549883imagine mining with mine supports only as a hermitimagine dying to your first troll
>>1486748Maybe I'll try it. Right now I'm playing Pantheon.
>>1552810buy an ad
Is it a crime to use a milestone on a player/village claim? Do I need Trespassing or Vandalism to do so?
To escape a troll, can you just enter a built house and wait for aggro to end? Reaching lower levels and don't want to lose a miner due to bullshit RNG.
>>1554329just quell the beast on it if you're that spookeddo not go into a housedo not fucking go up a ladder/down a minehole>Reaching lower levelsyou can spawn a troll on L1
>>1553161I did use and my crime toggle was off.
>>1553161not a crimebut you might need to enable criminal acts to step onto personal claim if you can't reach it from outside
>>1554329trolls, bears and I think mooses should be able to destroy housesusually people leave a non-visitor pali gate open when mining, so they can fuck off from a trollalso, don't even mine on a horse, because when a troll spans it has a grace period of about 20 seconds when it will not aggro you (it will beat its chest like an ape)but it will aggro a horse immediately, and when it's in a fight it will aggro everyone aroundif you get off horse quick enough it will beat the shit out of horse, switch target to you, get stuck on it's body, fail to pathfind, cavein you to death, clear cavein and executeif you're less lucky it will immediately target you, get stuck on a horse, fail to pathfind, drop a cavein, executeboth scenarios end in your likely executionif you don't have a horse around, you just run away at 4th speed and drinkif you have a horse leashed somewhere and it happens to aggro it, give it up, it will not execute a horse, you may be able to retrieve it later with a naked alt>>1554461>do not fucking go up a ladder/down a mineholewhy
>>1556120trolls can infact destroy houses and most buildings they can even bash through brick walls VERY fast
>>1556154>bash through brick wallsSo quell the beast and fucking off is the only real choice then. Thanks. Also why would anyone mine on a horse?
>>1556154well the point of having an open non-visitor gate is to fuck off to another levelI don't understand why is it a bad idea though, will it bash the ladder?I think it will only bash shit if he tries to pathfind
>>1556507it'll just lob rocks at the ladder until you're deaggrodif it throws enough and at unlucky enough spots, you can permabrick your minehole until you destroy the rocks from the outside rather than from the ladder
>>1556538No offense but this sounds like made up bullshitIm not buying it without proof
>>1556557i'm not going to>mine out a troll>aggro it>have it intentionally throw rocks at my fucking minehole ladderjust to win an argument on a thread on /vm/ that gets one post per weektry it yourself you spooge and report back later
Any town going? I don't feel like having alts, that's not fun
>>1556538NTA but this makes sense. Obstacles at the bottom of a minehole ladder make it inaccessible from the top, and trolls do cause cave-ins. Cave-ins cause a ton of boulders to drop. I've had cave-ins damage walls and buildings nearby too so that's another issue.
3d really looks like ass even compared to old dick-shaped trees. And I never started from scratch by myself, so it's all kind of confusing.
Do village claims prevent decay or is it only player claims?
>>1557244Cave-in is a ranged attack and to use attacks they need a target
>>1557515of course they doyou can completely ditch personal claim if you want to, but it will backfire if you stop actively playing in the late game and your village is very big, village claims lose authority fasterfuckhuge personal claims stay active for months after you quit, willage claim can run out of juice in like 2 weeks
>>1558625They cave-in you offscreen, so that's not true.
>>1557379you really need a custom client that allows you to disable flavor objectsthey add a lot to the confusion
>>1517781Its a reference to warhammer, retard.
>>1558629>willagebegone snail
>>1559143nyo
Can you use flour as swill?
Is there any reason to use a bull to pull a wagon if I have horses?
Is there a best region to build a base? Some regions are lighter (ox pasture, red plain, root bosk...) and other regions are darker (deep tangle, lichen wold, pine barren...). I mean best to develop your character and find essential things like the Laurel tree which is used on many fishwrap recipes, for example.
>>1559376can't be rawhidedthat's about it>>1559577the biome you're on doesn't matter, but you do want to live somewhat close to near darker forests because>running on grassland as a newbie in pvp will get you smashed on the head>grassland animal spawns fucking SUCK
>>1559668But if I don't have MRage I can't get killed.
>>1559577grasslands are shit because nothing to huntof course a mix of biomes is always better, but woods > grasslandsthis is more for a permanent location though, not starting base. For starting base it's important to get a working claim as soon as possible and make your first leather for palisade, then you move
>>1559682
>someone visited my unprotected pile of shit>they didn't stole anything>instead they built a leanto and put cutlery on the tableI'm very confused.
>>1559951How can someone get killed without MRage?
>>1560398By slapping them with sharp objects, silly
>>1560371Congratulations. Now get your palisade up already.
>>1561371Or at least put up a claim ffs
>>1560398Even without Murderous Rage, they can deal a lot of HHP damage to you up to 100% HHP max afaik, but you have to be really unlucky and not spamming defenses/resisting. From combat guide:Leading Causes of Death1. Having HHP damage before a fight. Not needing to hit someone for 100% of their HP provides a lot of leeway in the steps above. Always heal your HHP as much as you can before going outside.2. Wearing constitution gildings. When you're KO'd, if your constitution gildings are removed, your HHP/MHP gets lowered, and you can easily die. Don't wear CON gear.3. Deep water. If you get KO'd in deep water, you cannot hearth back. Your character will wake up in the same place, and your enemy can attack you again, resulting in another Max Hit + Concussion. Don't get KO'd in a destructible boat in deep water or swim.4. Letting people know your HP. Knowing how much HP someone has makes the Chip step significantly easier. Don't share screenshots of your HP.
>>1561537even if you don't learn murder, it doesn't stop others from using mrage on you
>>1560398yes the attacker can just have MRage and kill you. If you are asking if its possible to kill someone without using rage, yes you can. Stacking high openings and using cleave, if the weapon is good enough, it can give you a wound bigger than your HP pool and kill you.
Do calves need to be in the same pen with a lactating cow to feed, or can I separate the bulls early on to prevent wrong breeding?
>>1564655they need to be within a range of a cow that gives milk, don't remember what the radius is but it is a little shorter than trough.
It's so over
Is there any defensive reason to build a village claim as a hermit if I’m not planning to build a charterstone? My main claim was established months ago so I’m not worried of another village declaiming my land, and there are no nearby big villages I am aware of in this shithole wilderness with no resources.
>>1566119if you don't build a village claim someone can build a small walled off claim next to yours and build a village idol over your property if it isn't big enough to prevent full coverage from the outside.
>>1566248Will a player claim take precedence over a village claim? Can I extend my player claim well beyond the walls to prevent this?
>>1566253>Will a player claim take precedence over a village claim?Yes, as long as your player claim is at least 10% older than the village claim.>Can I extend my player claim well beyond the walls to prevent this?Technically but also sort of not really, you cannot extend player claims over village claims that you do not have permissions to, but the village claim can shit his banner over yours.Unless you're asking about being boxed in or something, in which case it heavily depends on the autism of the aggressor.
>>1566259Thanks. I made my personal claim and palisade early in the world so declaiming should be a non-issue. I hesitate building a village idol because it attracts unnecessary attention in a game where attention generally means catapults, rams and/or armed fighters at your gates. I’m no wealthier than any of my (currently) untouched hermit neighbors who barely go outside. If they’re willing to actually siege my poorly built shithole, I’d probably have no reasonable way to fight back anyway and would just quit until next reset.
>>1566279>in a game where attention generally means catapults, ramsI need to empathize that this will literally never happen to you.The ram and catapult game in the current state of siege requires a ratio of 1440 (attacker) minutes to 5 (defender) nonstop ACTIVE minutes (not counting the peace breaking because nobody contests those). The only sieges that have happened this world were only functional because:>a) insiders>b) literally every faction uniting together>c) people bashing unsoaked wallsBut yeah, no real reason for a vclaim even if that wasn't your main fear, even if someone did attempt to claim over you they couldn't really do much aside from trying to grief you over a timespan of a year.
>>1566279every sprucecap has a village claim, nobody caresmain reason to build a vclaim is to protect your mine, since you can expand underground, and also being cheaper (don't have to spend lp on expansion, don't have to keep the bond in your study)
>>1566297>>1566344Thanks for the inputs. I already have alts for other claims so I’ll work on something else. Just learned recently that bronze armor and weapons are not enough to fight a bear even with some stats and a friend. Want to avoid cheesing and fight properly but boy does this game punish you for that.
>>1566361>Just learned recently that bronze armor and weapons are not enough to fight a bear even with some stats and a friend.No, bronze Q50~Q60 face to face with a bear should be enough, realistically the biggest threat is losing the AGI advantage and UA/MC equalization. Also not bursting it down ASAP when it reaches berserk hurts like hell.
>>1566372Tell me more. What kind of stats are we talking about? That rage is very much bullshit.
if you were a new player hermit, were would you build your base?
>>1566535south from "maze" probably
>>1566535somewhere between casual and maze or between felix and korea, good terrain variety at those spots
my 30 cows disappeared and only one of them left bonescan wolves go through visitor gates or something and maul my cows
>>1566361yes, this game encourages cheesing and cheats heavilyyou really shouldn't fight fairly when you can cheese>>1566372>bronze Q50~Q60 face to face with a bear should be enoughwithout cheese 1v1? lol, nofending for your life? maybehunting? hell noI don't consider losing 30% of your hhp in one fight "hunting"also bronze armor, especially at that q, has very little hp and if you are not careful, will break in the middle of the fight and a bear will fuck you in 2 hitsif you can't kill a bear in 3 hits, it's not hunting, it's fighting for your life. Hunt in a group or use cheese.>inb4 skill issueWe hunted bears with obsidian knives and tinker axes, but we used boat cheese. Something you can easily cheese is not worth taking wounds and breaking armor for.
>>1566535west of pawcio but I didn't know he was thereidk how bad is it living close to them, hear he's allied with orca so must be pretty bad
>>1567534Yeah, I figured since we could take a moose then a bear would be doable in a straight fight. Boy were we wrong… at least it ended in just wounds and armor damage. We already have bear equips for mining and can trade for better q if needed. It’s mostly for the fun and accomplishment of hunting stuff proper, which we’ve had success up to the moose. Guess the real man v bear fight will have to wait. Can’t even imagine what you would need to fight mammoths and trolls head on if it’s this bad with bears.
>>1566535Anywhere away from those names and not too close to any hermits or small villages. At this point, there isn’t much unexplored wilderness (or any). Just gotta find a place where you neighbors won’t kill or grief you.
>>1567709This is why >>1509612 is right. I hope he built under a lake.
>>1527201>Noone else is going to script a search feature into their market so good luck clicking your life away to find anything worth it.i know i'm late for this but,waow crazy literally by the creators of the market last world huh wowza insanehttps://brodgar.io/trade/reading this thread from start to finish was insane, the sheer ego of people who wouldn't even attempt to defend their 120+ player village is nuts
Is there no way to fix the ground under palisade? I didn't think to pave it beforehand, and now grass keeps spreading from under it.
>>1569055There is none. You can re-make a stone perimeter near the existent wall and then extend your palisade, then use a wrecking ball and destroy the old palisade line.
>>1569096NTA but I’ve done this to make some corrections on my initial build as well to add gates and properly connect some sections. I saw some things I could have done better and the wrecking ball helped a lot. I did extend and dry an extension around the walls I broke down beforehand, last thing you need is some joker handbashing an undried wall.
Do you need a Thing Challenge up on a province to even build rams/catapults? Also how long does the challenge last? Indefinitely or until it is destroyed? Am in an unowned province and no village/faction owns the realm. The wiki isn’t very clear on how thingpeace/challenge works.
>>1569291>Do you need a Thing Challenge up on a province to even build rams/catapults?Yes, both building and operating requires "thingpeace" to be broken by a thing challenge.>Also how long does the challenge last?48 hours, the challenge goes poof after it is "won".>Am in an unowned province and no village/faction owns the realm.Thing challenges only require siegecraft to be able to be built, realm ownership is fought with "war flags".
>>1569331Thanks. Sounds like sieges are expensive and require active fighter defenses/shifts to cause any real damage. So in theory only rival or super wealthy villages would be worth sieging considering the effort and resources required. I suppose it is reasonable to assume that no one would bother sieging properly built small villages / hermitages unless you actively make enemies. The threat of being KO’d / killed in the open will always be there, but keeping to the safety guidelines should be sufficient most of the time (full hhp, run, spam defenses, hearth, etc).
>>1569405>So in theory only rival or super wealthy villages would be worth sieging"worth sieging" in this scenario is only if you're looking to smash the ego of a village or force them to re-locate.The 24 hours of the siege machine drying alone is enough for any competent small group to basically evacuate every single item worth anything, or to find a 5 minute window in the siege drying to smash the damned thing.
>>1567681>Can’t even imagine what you would need to fight mammoths and trolls head on if it’s this bad with bears.you need manpowerthey're not intended to be fought 1v1
Just posting that snail and sheep are faggots and they’d be in jail instantly if they weren’t hiding behind their scams, exploits, extortion and forum shitposts. Nothing they’ve done this world and in the past shows they have any good intentions other than finding literally any excuse to enact raids and drama.Good guys? Dozens of hermits and villages have suffered through your bullshit. No one cares about Misa and your gaslighting. YOU are the problem. No one sane believes your lies and your so-called great PVP content is all just bullying the weak with excessive stats and numbers. Come at me in a fair fight bro, and we’ll see who comes out crying. Or not, you’ll get a taste of your own meds soon. Hint - I’ve been in your walls for a while now.
>>1570813>just bullying the weakjorbs's fault for letting the combat system such a mess that sproons can not comprehend
>>1570813holy unmedicated schizo
>>1570813everybody knows thisall the strongest factions were allied through multiple worlds to hunt sprucecaps and it will stay this waynobody wants to lose fightsthe only resemblance of fair matchups is everyone vs koreans and everyone vs chinese and that's only because of language barrier, if not for that I bet snail, sheep, felix & co would ally with them too
>>1570813is this like copy pasted from the forums or something
>>1570813lol seethe and cope victim faggot
Can you poke animals with a spear through walls? Will they flee immediately if so?
>>1573751>Can you poke animals with a spear through walls?No.
>find a nearby village with multiple heathfires >start worrying if I'm going to get fucked soon>check on it again a week later>all gates open and bunch of random buildings damagedCrisis aborted, but also it's kind of sad people just get bored and leave.
>>1575962I doubt people open gates when they quit, most likely got recruited by another village and moved
>>1576125Maybe, but their snekkjas are still there.
>>1576125I've seen opened gates with runestone message saying to feel free to get everything. Not everyone is autistic enough to take h&h that serious.
>>1576191I'd say it's autistic enough to log in and open gates before you quit
>>1576347>players can only decide to stop playing if they are offlinekeep up, autist-kun
Does survival hardcap quality of killed animals? Keep seeing a bunch of animals at my survival cap when hunting This isn’t clear on in-game or in the wiki.
>>1577232yessurvival hardcaps an animal if you deal damage to ittool hardcaps an animal when butchering down to the bones
>>1577247idk what you mean by "to the bones"bones are also capped by tool
>survived the rush to palisade in month 1>remained low profile and safely progressed in all industries except steel, precious metals and end game group hunting>reached the point where improvements are very grindy even with tradeThis is probably the part where advanced hermits start quitting, huh?
>>1578584dunno I am still fishing without a claim, what were you trying to do?
Any idea why the devs won’t implement a “stolen” tag on items obtained via theft? Like in Kenshi? Could even add a per x exp requirement to see it. They are already trackable via scents anyway.Stolen items should be fenced at a discount anyway (there will be real buyers for them if cheap) and the current system just allows raiders to put scented items on markets to track the buyer’s bases.
>>1578675Build a farm, work the mines, raise animals, have fun? It was this or Marvel Rivals.
>>1578584>end game group huntinglike what, trolls?nobody hunts anything else in groups in endgame, only earlygame
>>1578693>minescouldn't find any ore, this is why I have no claim
>>1578712Trolls, Mammoths, Cachalots and some dungeons. Without cheesing of course. It’s just so tiresome that so much hunting content requires cheesing to be “effective” instead of just making it doable organically.
>>1578724Yeah finding ore early is tough, a lot of the easily reachable ones will be mined out already. Probably easier to just look for a decent location with other resources, not near any factions, and a bit aways from rivers/coasts. There are more markets now so you can trade hunted/farmed stuff for metal tools and weapons.
>>1578738Or hop through vortex until you find true untouched wilderness on one of the less developed continents. It's a bit lonely there though.
>>1578736nobody does it without cheesingjorbtar don't have a fainters idea how their game works, of course nobody would fight any of this shit as intended
>>1578750I am there. No ore.
Is there any way to tell if a market is selling a scented item like >>1578679 suggests, or is it all about trusting and hoping you won't be buying a high q pickaxe at the low low price of your base location and a possible ambush/raid by bored factions and pvp'ers?
>>1579742there is nonebut bored factions don't need to do that to locate hermits, there are plenty hermits aroundsieging is very expensive and time consuming, so your base location isn't very valuable to thempeople can sell scented items to track people when they're outside, the point isn't to locate your base, the point is to find you when you're away from your baseif you have a reason to suspect an item is scented (not only because seller tracks it himself, a lot of b12s and cutblades and sometime armors on markets are looted from koreans or chinks), make a pali away from your base, and leave it there for 3 rl days. Theft scents should fade in that time. Though if the item was listed for a long time, they would be gone before you even buy it.
I want to avoid getting killed, just KO'd. How many points on unarmed and melee do I need to invest? Bronze armor is sufficient to protect me from the highest damage output which I think is the B12? How much HHP should I aim for?
>>1580273All of the points are situational and dependent on the scenario more than anything, if you want to be immune to death no matter the case you can just run around with 60%+ maxHP (aka very few wounds at worst case scenario) while being at very low softHP (most of your health should be yellow rather than red).That way people will always just knock you on your ass trying to make openings or trying to chip you low in an attempt to prep you for a killing blow.Also consider lying about your max HP when someone asks, most people will believe you and overshoot and fuck up.In reality all of this is a lot more annoying to prep for than just learning on how to run and going away any time someone tries to chase you down, worlds low enough in population that you're not going to get random pvper allies helping to corner you.
>>1580077>people can sell scented items to track people when they're outside, the point isn't to locate your base, the point is to find you when you're away from your baseYeah, I'm not a fan of getting randomly trapped and killed for their amusement. I'll consider making a small palisaded outpost away to let suspicious items run down their scents. Still annoying the devs just didn't implement a simple "stolen" tag when they can clearly add theft scents on items and objects. Maybe even have that tag wear off if the theft scent does as well. These damn swedes, I swear.
>>1580280>lying about your max HP when someone asksno one with good intentions would ask this outside your friends IRL. not in haven.
>>1580438the troon asked
>>1580273if you don't plan to learn combat you don't need unarmed, melee is finepreferably you use shield up with a shield, but if you really want to, you can use parry or to arms (if you have shield up enabled but no shield equipped, you will be penalized)to be safe you need to enter equalization range, and that will require like 450 combat skill, maybe even 500 lol, cause getting 800 is really easythe way it works is that when you have more than a half the skill of your opponent, your skill is considered equal in all calculations. It doesn't affect damage, but they will open you slowerThe moment they break out of equalization, they will open you really fast. Considering they will always have double your agility and you can't do anything about it, they will open you at like 4 times normal speed (instead of double if you are in equalization range and only your agi sucks).If you don't go out with many wounds and have some decent armor, there is no way they will kill you unless they open you to like 80%. Make sure to time defensive moves so they don't follow up with a finisher immediately after using op knocks on you (a stupid unbalanced move that makes your openings go from 60% to 100%)Also if you know you will lose, and you see an enemy using combat meditation, better to not fight back, just spam defensive moves. Because if you charge their combat meditation with attacks, they can double op knock you and cleave in one second (which felix did to rassvet recently).bronze armor won't save you. Steel plate is really affordable though now that we have a free market. It might be not that easy to earn coins on free market if you don't have a stand though, so consider sheep's market as well, prices might be higher but also he will buy stuff like brimstone and pearls at higher price. At least you should have plate mail and plate greaves, anything above q160 has diminishing returns
>>1581050>400-500 skill>plate>affordableas a non-botting hermit with a life, don't join the arms race for stats/skills equalization. unless you actually enjoy grinding up weeks/months for stats you can lose in 1 bad encounter. hardly any of this will help enough and the nice shiny armor just gives them more loot when they gank you. the extra stats also make your skull more valuable as a trophy/curio. just run, drink, spam defenses and pray they don't guess your HP correctly. even just a shield and leather-bronze armor + a few other pieces should make their math harder for a killing blow. You probably want to use alts whenever you're exploring unknown or faction territory anyway.>getting involved with sheep for anythingI wouldn't trade that faggot a single blueberry. you're just increasing the danger to yourself and everyone else not faction aligned. some markets sell scented items too just to find you in the wild. dirty tricks and exploits are standard fare with the factions, make no mistake. don't touch faction markets and let them gather their own resources to harass hermits.
>>1581396>sell scented items too just to find you in the wildMakes sense, good advices here. I hope someone makes a new H&H thread.
>caring about scentsyou have always needed to keep your stuff at a bullshit base for a couple of days after trading even since the 2d version.
>>1581396The question was what you need to not get killed. This is the answer.The part with "guess your hp" is only relevant when trying to kill developed characters. When they cleave you for 800 damage effortlessly and you have like 150 armor and 250 hp, they don't need to guess your hp. And 250 hp is what average hermit has.
never heard of this game
>>1584019neither do I
>another week of waiting for wax to build second mine levelI really should've started it earlier.
