Is build 42 living up to your expectations?Also Happy Christmas, zombros!
Have they fully released it yet or is it still unstable? I'm just waiting for the stable build to start playing (will probably wait for modders to update their mods too).
I'm so used to play with veteran I can't tell whether it's the combat changes or the stress that's fucking me up. My character is on constant "I can't take it anymore" and I can't kill shit
>>1544287Unstable, and very very rough around the edges.
>>1544381isn't that just the game?
>>1544398It's worse, if you can believe that.
>>1544283No but I have hope for the patches to come.
>>1544381>>1544404Damn. What the fuck have they been doing these past 2 years? Jerking off while shitposting in their devlog? Unbelievable.
>>1544431They've been resting from the muscle strain anon, please understand
>>1544433Yeah. From all that money dropping on them.
>>1544435sheeeit, makes me glad i bought this on sale for 5 dollars
>>1544436Money and success is a litmus test for a game developer's character and ethics. If they keep improving their game after gaining both, they're a decent dev with good morals. But if they get lazy and start putting out half-assed updates, you should regret ever giving them your money.
>>1544440If you can measure the time between builds on the geologic timescale you've got problems even if they were good devs.
>>1544283>Lets make a zombie game where you're not supposed to interact with the zombies at all!What the fuck else is there to do ingame but smash zombie skulls with various objects? There's no story, no long-term goals, what the fuck?
>>1544483The bowls, man, the bowls!
>inventory tetris still not updatedaieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>1544290Every character is like that now. Plus everyone gets crippling muscle strain after bashing a few zombies with a melee weapon.
>>1544436I paid 5 bucks for it on Desura and got 800 hours of gameplay in returnwoe is me
What's a good key seller? I'd like to have the game in my Steam library but I don't want this faggot to actually have my money.
B41 mod for B42 when?
>>1544485>still no KI5 cars updated for B42Literally unplayable.
>>1544485>Instead of adding all the shit people actually want from the most popular mods to the game let's just spend more than 2 years (totally not jerking off) on muh pointless reworked crafting system for NPC's that will never even get added to the game at this rate
>NPC's are added>But 90% of ingame mechanics don't work on them or else they'd be super underpowered due to muscle strain and shit>So every human encounter is like an end-game Elden Ring boss in terms of difficulty as they'll bumrush you with 90% damage resistance and unlimited stamina
>>1544573>NPC's are addedDubious claims.
>>1544574Hyperbole, anon, hyperbole.
>>1544440I'm glad the Palworld devs are still putting out good updates despite the initial explosion of popularity
>>1544574I mean hypothetically just before the heat death of the universe, when they're finally added.
according to Lemmy, the main reason why new moodles were added was because once NPCs are in, they will be able to affect your moodles in differentI'm guessing that's where the Angry, Happy, Scared and Concentrated will come into play
>>1544591>we had to make the moodles look like shit so NPCs can worksasuga?
>>1544591>AngryKek. Imagine an NPC dog shitting on your porch and making you seethe.
coffee machines are interactable now
Is there even a single game that has the kind of NPCs that zomboid would need?Trying to add NPCs to zomboid sounds like a waste of time.
>>1544670Adding hostile NPCs with the current stunlock shooting would be the worst fucking idea ever, even worse than wasting three years on animal eugenics and minecrafting
>>1544625game is saved
There is no feasible way to add NPCs without giving them plot armor vs zombies
>>1544711Read>>1544573
>NPCs get added>they are more to jank to fight than other people on MP>half the time they get stuck standing still until a zombie chomps on them>theres like 3 whole NPC personality types>they cant even loot items they are basically glorified animals
>>1544711Also what do we expect NPCs to do? Are they supposed to be like the player, trying to survive? Should they be moving around, fighting zombies and collecting supplies? Should they be holed up in prepper bunkers, presumably self sufficient, and interactable for trading (hopefully not in a gamebreaking way like picrel) or quests?How many of them should there be? Would they be active when the player isn't in the area? What do people want out of NPCs?
>>1544756you might want to read through thishttps://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/03/the-zuckerverse/
>>1544764>anti cheatoh yes the infamous PZ cheaters plaguing every server
>>1544283>>1544283Been playing unstable but the only new thing I've come across are just the basements, which are pretty awesome by themselves. Feel like not much has changed besides just the big things of NPCS/basements/animals
>>1544785>NPCSNon Phunctionig Combat System?
>>1544785>NPCSsuperb survivors updated?
>>1544785>NPCSNice Pigs, Chickens, and Squirrels?
>>1544785>Feel like not much has changed besides just the big things of NPCS/basements/animalsbecause it hasnt. most of the patch didnt really add much to the core gameplay and in some areas outright made it worse.
>>1544560>He wants cars with custom equipmentDisgusting.
>TV begins showing the same Fishing program every time that I log in
>>1544591>I'm guessing that's where the Angry, Happy, Scared and Concentrated will come into playThere was already an unused Anger moodle set in b41 there was no fucking reason to redo everything instead of adding 3 more sets in the existing art style.
>>15447852 more years, anon. The dev team is really struggling to make ends meet with all those millions they earned from the success of the game. Please, understand. Also, here's another useless devlog that no one asked for!
>>1544591>>1544953The Angry and Happy moodles were already being used back when we had NPCs, a decade ago.
>>1545000I'm a build 41let, but that just goes to show that lemmy's insane cope of "but we need it for the heckin NPCs!" is even more retarded.
so whens the build 42 /vm/ serb
Watching a streamer who plays zomboid rn and he said BASICALLY they will revamp melee combat and shooting/aiming. Melee will have parries and blocking and shooting will be like foxhole almost with peeking behind cover and all that.Now if they implement this, I will suck lemmys dick. Its literally what I have been bitching about in these threads.
>>1545047Melee has parrying and blocking, it's called pressing spacebar
>>1545047Ain't no fucking way they're going to do even half of those things. Screenshot this and I'll kneel if they do.
>>1545066pic of you kneeling and your cheeks spread when he does
It's honestly kinda crazy how badly they want you to base here. It's just TOO perfect: petrol pump, generator nearby, next to the river, has fence, the largest basement I've seen so far, and a large apartment on the second floor. Not to mention right next to the animals farms.You almost want to reject the place just to be contrarian. Everyone is probably basing here in Echocreek
>>1544577Nintendo is fucking bitch for patenting throwing.
>>1545100arent basements randomized
>Double Holster>Shoulder Holster>Ankle HolsterI wonder if there are more.
>>1545150Why reload, when you can just keep shooting?
My starting occupation was animal farmer and I've found a field of cows and sheep. How do I actually farm them?
WHERE TO FIND CIGARETTES IN ECHOCREEK??? I'M AT MY BREAKING POINT!!!
hotfix. .6 muscle strain as the new base line. My problem is the recovery period. Thoughts?
>>1545277It's in the right direction, and I expect there will be more patches to these values.
>still can't climb laddersfucks sake
>>1544625I have explored probably over a hundred buildings now, and still have yet to see a single coffee can.What even
>>1545329Um, sweaty, coffee is located at starbucks(tm) and other renowned stores.What? You mean to tell me you make your coffee at home or something like those weird right wingers on CNN who shoot babies and hate trans people?That gives me the ick!
>>1545142Agreed. Have Gamefreak actually make a good game instead.
>>1545332>British developers when you tell them every singular redneck trailer ought to have enough ammunition in them to clean the entire town of zombies instead of, at most, a single spoon (dangerous weapon)
>>1545345No loicense? Gunna ave ta put you down guvna.
What the fuck did they do to the loot tables? I went to the medical place in Muldraugh and there was a couple bandaids and some alcohol wipes and nothing else.
>>1545363are you playing on Apocalypse? that preset has loot at "Rare" now
>>1545367I mean yeah I'm referring to the vanilla default settings.Why the fuck is everything empty now?
>>1545368I don't have any fucking idea.
>>1545367Is that why I’ve found only a single pack of cigarettes in an in-game week?
>>1544525Anyone? If it's a choice between giving my money to the Chinese or Russians, and this faggot, I choose the former.
>need carpentry 4 to attach a sawblade to a wooden plankfucking retarded
>>1545399The skills in general make no sense and suck balls.Skills below 5 are almost entirely worthless, which means that lifetime professionals are about as clueless as literal unemployed retards.
>>1544525g2a nigga
>>1545397this one sponsors a lot of jewtubers, however i have no clue if it's a scam or nothttps://www.eneba.com/
>>1544283There's a lot to like about this update, but it needs work. Apart from bugs and jank (most of which will probably be fixed), the most glaring issues for me are how unaware and disconnected the devs are from the theme of their own game (90's gritty realism zombie horror) when they do things like update the moodles to shiny 2020 era style emotes, or decide to go through and arbitrarily change names of things to what would be politically correct in 2020. Luckily this can be rectified with mods more or less easily (moodles already are).The other big thing for me is their crafting system is kinda cool and neat, but 95% of it is fluff. They strove so hard for some kind of pseudo-realism that they forgot there needs to be an actual gameplay benefit to grinding through multiple tech trees. Especially weaponmaking with blacksmithing needs to be way more enticing in the high end to make the work worth it. If you can't churn out katanas and mastercrafted longswords after maxing out those skills and jumping through all those hoops, what's the fucking point?
>>1544511I turned off muscle strain after one run. Even on physically fit characters its ridiculous. I might add it back at like 10% impact or something if I was feeling masochistic.
Found this house hidden away a little north of Echo Creek with a well and some bird stuff. The living room has TWO (2) fireplaces.
>>1545436>politically correct in 2020kek, a while ago i found a flyer for a hardware store that said "everything for the working man (and woman!)" in the rural southin 1993lmao
>>1545445That kind of PC is at least correct for the period. I'm talking about things like Agoraphobic being called "fear of outdoors" or Illiterate being "can't read", because I guess its "ableist" to assume that the player is even literate themselves. Or everything having to be a "-person" (maybe that's also bigoted actually, not respectful of people identifying as non-people).Just noticed they patched some of those names though, maybe there's hope for these cunts yet.
>>1545442Actually, I guess that's more like west?
>>1545451>maybe there's hope for these cunts yet.Anon they're british, there never was.
Agoraphobic doesn't make any sense, it should only proc in large open fields and shit.Nobody freaks out while in a fucking city.
B42 is kind of too broken to enjoy right now. So many things are just bizarrely broken or tuned wrong. It's going to be months before it's even in a stable state and they've hardly changed anything front-facing except the lighting/visibility, which to be fair is the one great part.
Holy shit what the fuck did they do to the trait system? Now it's even more rigid and boring than before because you basically need to make a dysfunctional character to use any of the good traits.
why would anyone ever take deaf or illiterate? Those traits seem so pointless in the grand scheme of things that you could just remove them and replace them with something less penalizing
>>1545530>Because it's realisticMeanwhile river-water is still poisonous like bleach for no fucking reason
>>1545535>river-water is still poisonousone of the newspapers mentions that it's heavily polluted
>>1545537It's in 1993 America, not india.In any case 'polluted' doesn't mean it'll kill you in a single day you retard.
>>1545530Deaf isnt that bad. It just makes you play like how the NPCs did in the npc trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oULByHbq5TkYou spend most of the time crouch sprinting everywhere while occasionally 360 checking.>illiterateUntil they add more stuff to B42 so you can do the many years later map and zero to hero crafting I wouldnt use it. It should be good for mp in group to get extra points.
go take a sip out of the ohio river in real life and see what happens
>>1545442>>1545452It's North of Echocreek.
>>1545544>Water sources aside from your tap is comparable to bleach in toxicity goyim!>Rely only on us for your water! >Fluoride is extra, plus tip, plus tax!
>>1545535somehow, covering your open wounds with clothes and bandages soaking with zombie blood doesn't start zombifying youthe devs are extremely and arbitrarily selective about what they choose to make "realistic"
>>1545546you must have parasites in your brain from drinking all that tainted water if you're so against boiling itbruh it's not a fucking spring creek, it's ohio river
>>1545550The fucking rainwater ingame is just as toxic. The developers seriously haven't stepped outside for a decade and think the whole world will kill you if you interact with it.You know what happens when you drink shitty water that isn't literally full to the brim with bacteria and shit?You shit yourself for a few weeks then get accustomed to it.
>>1545550The water pollution in 90's america's rivers was not equivalent to drinking bleach, it probably still isn't outside of some very specific parts of very specific water sources.
>>1545552>bro stop being a little bitch and get dysentery bro it's not a big deal in a survival situation bro>so what if you shit yourself to death lol who cares
>>1545554Phew now if only there was fuckloads of canned food laying around to survive the disease until you get used to it!
>Unable to spawn in any of the new towns other than Echo Creek
>>1545556>it's ok to get dysentery because you can just get over it by spending your valuable resources and wasting time resting>what? You mean I could prevent it by boiling water? I'm not falling for your jewish tricks fuck off
>>1545561>Bro just don't adapt to your environment in the fucking zombie apocalypseOkay and your excuse for rainwater being as toxic as bleach is?...
Did they update the game? This occupation was named Repairer yesterday.
the reason the river is toxic is because its a alt universe where they imported millions of indians and they shat up the river upstreamits also why you got alot of brown zombies in kentucky
>>1545562>Bro just don't adapt to your environment in the fucking zombie apocalypseI think doing the bare fucking minimum to prevent getting a disease in a survival situation is the sensible choice>Okay and your excuse for rainwater being as toxic as bleach is?...you need to consider several factors as to why is this the caserain water in real life isn't considered potable either, you can still get dysentery from it albeit the chance is much much smaller than from a puddle or a pond for example, that's one thingfrom the lore perspective, the airborne infection could make the rainwater in the clouds tainted somehow, dunno if it's possible in real life but this is a videogame so videogame logic appliesand from the gameplay perspective, I would guess the reason why you need to boil any water, whether from a river or rain, is because it forces you to expend your limited resources for making fire, since one of the aspects of the game is managing your supplies, having to boil water constantly can eventually force you to go and gather more materials for fire which but the main problem is that there are no different levels for poisoning, you get the same effects from drinking tainted water as you would from drinking bleach or eating burnt food with weak stomach, if they ever introduce different disease like dysentery that would then force you to look for specific medications or natural remedies to cure it, it would not only make first aid somewhat matter but you it would also finally give you a reason to go explore specific locations like a hospital in order to survive
>>1545563yes >>1545277>>1545438>I turned off muscle strain after one runI quit after a few runs. I'm planning to go back to my file when I get home to see how the new .6 baseline feels. Can't truly complain about something without giving it a shot first.
>>1545572>ChatGPT responseJej, Lemmy doesn't send his best.
>>1545574do you disregard any argument you start losing by calling the other person ChatGPT? If what I wrote doesn't make sense to you than nothing will
>>1545575You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded. Get back to programming Lemmy.
>They added Welding even though we already had MetalworkingBut why?
>>1545576I just wanted to have a discussion but you already resorted to ad hominem, sad!
>>1545578>Faggot who 'lost' his laptop is upset over chad hominems>>1545577The more skills they add, the funnier characters become. Apparently nobody in Zomboid has even the most minor of diverse skills by default.
So Echocreek became babbys first town huh
>>1545577So working towards something other than what you specialized your character during creation would be more tedious. It's insane how doing the most basic shit requires 3+ levels in a crafting skill
>>1545582I doubt itThere's diddly dick to loot compared to Riverside or Rosewood
is aiming with veteran just completely fucked or is something wrong with my game? Somehow his aim is 10 times worse than that of a police officer
>>1545572> the airborne infection could make the rainwater in the clouds tainted somehowthe airborne infection that the player is immune to? lmao
>>1545587Zoom your camera in as far as possible, apparently.
>No green bar when resting
>>1545591no that's not it, the aiming itself is completely fine but something is completely fucked with veteran, I just tried it again with a new character and the shooting works fine now so the update must have fixed it, too bad my old save with veteran literally cannot hit anythingI'm guessing they fucked up his trait so he was somehow at max panic? That's what it feels like at least
>>1545598>I'm guessing they fucked up his trait so he was somehow at max panic? That's what it feels like at leastThat could be why a lot of people were complaining about the trait being absolute shit.
>>1545600the aim debuff from panic seems massive, start a game as a police officer and immediately you'll be hitting around 1 in 3 shots, but once you attract a big horde and your character goes in max panic, he can hit only around 1 in 10 shots so fighting a massive horde with guns becomes almost impossible without beta blockersI don't actually mind the new shooting system, it feels pretty similar to AdvancedTrajectory, it just needs buffs at low aiming levels and to fix the constant gun jams
The stone is so strong it shadows every other melee weapon in the game
>>1545530Technically illiterate isn't that bad anymore. Its hella RNG to get any book you want or need, and you don't have to use the generator book anymore (though Electrical 3 is its own grind).
>>1545612IndieSTONE heh get it?
So how does the new aiming system actually work? Is it player skill based? Or purely a visual change from before?
>>1545640It's somewhat different from beforeaiming at a zombie with the crosshair is essentially like the outline from before except you can actually pick what you want to shoot at, the more the circle closes in the more accurate your shot will be, I'm not sure if aiming the tiny dot in the middle at zombie heads does anything but I feel like you get more headshots if you aim precisely with itat 0 aiming, it's base 50% chance that goes up by 4% every level, each level of aiming also seems to allow you to shoot from further awaypanic has a much bigger effect on hit chance now, you might be fine shooting 3 or 4 zombies coming at you but when the shooting attracts a big horde and your character starts panicking, you won't hit shitright now the biggest bugs are shotguns being unable to multihit and all guns jamming way too often no matter the condition
>>1545634levelling up your skills without books on default apocalypse settings is CBT-tier torture
>>1545640https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3388063082Idk if reliable but seems detailed.
>>1545451They changed those back, actually.
>>1545644this looks really unreliable and crap
>>1545689it feels a thousand times better than the previous system
>>1545277A few people on steam forums are malding about it saying the developers caved to "crybabies"Did anyone here actually like muscle strain as it was tuned on release?
>>1545703getting muscle strain after only 6 hits at 0 weapon skill definitely felt a bit too muchall it serves is to just slow down the early game
>>1545706Muscle strain should onset on the next day, they have an exhaustion system that they could have tuned up while swinging a weapon and have the muscle strain set up after the adrenaline falls off if they wanted to go for a realistic approach.
Can I use mushrooms to heal my brain?
>>1545716Funny because the game already did something similar with exercising. You don't instantly feel the pain of doing it, it shows up hours later and the strength and duration depends on how much exercise you did (and how often you're doing it).They could have just re-used that system.
>>1545720They should. It would make more sense.
>>1545645Yeah, I wouldn't know, I always play on sandbox settings with everything tweaked the way I like it. I think with Fast Learner and one pip (75%) in a skill its not bad, I only increase the base multipliers on Fitness, Strength and Electrical because those skills are just too retarded in the way you're supposed to grind for them.
speaking of fitness and strength the devs should make it that you gain exp in them from combat since you apparently get more fucked up from it now than actual workout
>>1545777you get fitness and strength from fighting>knife weapons 1 fit + 1 str per hit>blade/axe weapons 1 fit + 2 str per hit>blunt weapons 1 fit + 3 str per hit, pushing is considered blunt attack but deals zero damage, stomp acts like blunt weapon attack
>>1545780I meant more than 1 exp when the requirement for leveling up is in the tens if not hundreds of thousands
>>1545784lol, not happening, I was expecting whole remake of regularity/exercise system when they showed muscle strain in blogs but you see I expected too much apparently, they want you to grind all the time in this game now
what would be an acceptable rate of fitness and strength gains per day? I don't think the devs intend for players to max out their stats after working out every day for 2 months
>>1545788yeah just like the class and trait overhaul>+1
>>1545579>Apparently nobody in Zomboid has even the most minor of diverse skills by default.According to zomboid devs it's impossible to be able to do all of the following as one person, put air in your tires, read a book, boil water without burning it, fire a gun and hit a target smaller than your mother, count to 5, get out of bed without tripping and breaking your leg, unplug your refrigerator, apply a bandaid without making the wound gangrenous, walk more than 5 feet without having a heart attack, hold a fishing rod the right way up, pick up trash off the ground, or stay up late without literally falling asleep standing up. Did I miss anything?
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but you can light your cigarettes with stovetops now, just be next to it when its turned on and it will let you smoke it
>>1545923Use a claw hammer without splintering your boards in six different places?
>>1544283Honestly? Not really. The big thing I was looking forwards to (crafting and the weapons update) isn't even IN this fucking unstable build. I'm also for some reason, one of the select few people who get worse frames than the previous update, going from ~60 to sub 30 when zoomed out. Even in zones without zombies.Animal husbandry doesn't really interest me much, don't care much about the farming stuff. All that's there now is what's effectively a graphics update for the player facing side.Muscle strain is, in my opinion, probably the worst mechanic added to the game by a longshot. It doesn't change the usual strat of kiting a big congaline of zombies and beating them to death. It just makes it take way longer for no reason. You need to take more breaks and you need to take them for much longer. It's fucking awful.The half dozen extra skills also honestly isn't great. Just more grind for you to do to do basic shit like make a shiv.
>>1546010I have some hope that the reason for the skills being fucked up is that the crafting part of the update is still half baked.
>>1545603>and to fix the constant gun jamsI had three jams in a row with a shotgun earlier, what was Lemmy thinking?
>>1545640>>1545694Don't forget to zoom in, it somehow makes shooting better.
>>1546010>the weapons updateWhat is this?
Were aiming and long blade books in B41? As rare as books are now, these are really nice to find.
>>1546066It explicitly is. They said as much in the roadmap for the build 42 unstable, and if you try to craft some items that requires a sharp edge, you'll notice a ton of things you can't even make but literally have to in order to acquire it in game, like a purpose smithed spearhead or how you can "Assemble a mace" but can't actually craft the mace head. If you look back at April's Thursdoid ("D'ya like them GrappleZ") You can see a ton of obviously crafted weapons that you can't make right now.>>1546072Where they fully break down weapons into multiple parts, and you'll be able to whittle your own baseball bats and shit. It's half in the game with how hammers and axes have three separate durability bars for sharpness, head condition and handle condition.
>>1546101Not unless you had mods. Only books were utility skills like carpentry and stuff like that.
this pleases me
>>1546153Female pubic hair and happy trail when?
Okay I found a massive chicken farm compound. Will the chickens all die if I don't start feeding them right away or will they just chill until I'm ready to start animal farming?
>>1546181no food = die
>>1545644Multihit is stupid. Buckshot doesn't spread enough for it to be practical, even at maximum useful range. And even if it did, the spread is vertical too, so more pellets would be hitting the ground and sailing over than actually hitting targets.Shotguns are basically just better pistols that are harder to carry. They should be ridiculously common (and so should their ammo), manual ones should rarely malfunction, and each shot should hit like half a mag of 9mm.
we're so back
you can build ramps in debug mode apparently
>>1546194Makes sense because of the previews we got of the huge tower, it had a parking garage with multiple floors.
Is weight gain broken?
>>1546201Do you have the trait that makes it easier to lose weight?
>>1546202>Obese and skinny weights are tied to the metabolism traitsSo much for realism.
>>1546204Metabolism traits add a tendency to gain or lose weight. They said they would add a way to spawn as obese or underweight as an option
>>1546201I think so, I removed all weight traits on new character and I starve no matter how much I eat.>>1546181Check the troughs inside the hutches, they may already have some food. I had to remove the water to put food into some.Cleaning up their shite is a drag
>>1546108So, I fucked around in debug after this post. All the player smithed weapons are in the game files and are totally useable if you spawn them in, and it seems if you debug in a crafting station like a forge, they have placeholder recipes for a lot of them too. You need stupidly high skill to smith the better options, but they're also extremely good. The player crafted swords are basically infinite katanas, since you can also smelt down random metal junk you find into useable iron
>>1546202No. I managed to reach 84kg fairly easily by just eating whatever food was available but now I'm losing weight even though I'm actively trying to gain it. Granted I'm fighting a lot more now but I'm also eating a ton of food.
a tale of 2 devs:>lone dude on twitter in 2021 begins remaking Ragnarok online from scratch in Unity, without getting paid a dime, as a passion project>late 2024 he opens an online server where people can play as classes 1-1, it can run on browser and has certain superior functionalities compared to the original>The Indie Stone, after hitting a successful sales campaign and being one of the most sold games, spend the same 3 years coming up with an update that is comparable to an array of messy, poorly implemented mods>Devs break the ability to boil water in the game a crucial part of the survival loop in the game>conservative estimate from the player base is that it might take weeks until water is boilable again
>>1546213What do I feed them anyways?
Deaf is kind of op. The real downside is having no sound gets boring.
>>1546220>>lone dude on twitter in 2021 begins remaking Ragnarok online from scratch in Unity, without getting paid a dime, as a passion projectnigger it's just a client made in unityrobrowser was much more advanced and cool
>>1546222From what I've seen, Grass Cuttings, Hay and Animal Feed Bags have already been inside some of the ones I've found, so I stick with that.I'm about 2 months in game atm when I found them so I reckon I don't need to manage them too often. Whatever grass I trim inside their area I'm sticking into their trough, then 1 feed bag per hutch if I have enough.Check hutch info too cause I had to clean them.
>>1546218Calories in, calories out.
>putting nails in a bat requires carpentry 1Cool update guys
>>1546246Nowhere near as bad as the shivs requiring high levels of maintenance AND a rare recipe book; only to get something that's objectively worse than a regular knife in every way.
>>1546257>- Fixed Make_Stone_Knife requiring Maintenance 5 instead of 1.How does this bug even make it in?
>Spawn house has a basement>I spawned without the key
>>1546236One more question. How do I "claim"/actually FARM animals that I just find already penned?
>>1546267Probably copy pasting some values for the higher tier items.
>>1546276Don't think you need to. I didn't do it. When I right clicked the area it shows 'Check Zone Ranch Chicken XXX'. Pretty sure the animals will stay inside the area 'cause it's already zoned. I've just been maintaining whatever I found.If you picked up a few to bring home you'd need to set a zone I reckon
>leave steak in oven>oven literally explodes in less than a few hours and burns down the houseCool
>>1545739>75%No, it's +75%oh and the base is 25% so the end result of getting a single level is actually 4x exp multiplier. It's irritating the devs don''t change the wording.>>1545703Reddit did. I felt gaslit reading the posts that said it went away after a "short" time.
>Naked fag has been stealing car keys>>1546281Why would you leave an oven on for hours?
>>1546291It wasn't even hours. I put a steak in the oven, killed a zombie upstairs, carried the body down the stairs. It took maybe an hour at mostBut now my new house has no oven.
Why hasn't anyone ported GTA:SA vehicles to Zomboid yet? The games are set a year apart and the art style would fit perfectly.
>>1546305i really wanted the sanchez for PZdirtbikes would fit the setting perfectly
>>1546289>I felt gaslit reading the posts that said it went away after a "short" time.I felt the same but about people saying it was happening after fighting only a few zombies. But now I realized that on Survivor there's a 0.5 multiplier so that might be why I didn't see it.
>>1546317It also scales down with both weapon skill and strength. Which one scales more is completely unknown to me, since I've heard one person say weapon skill gives the most benefit, and strength does nothing, when another person says strength does the most while weapon skill doesn't do much.Either way, both contribute and the recent hotfix reduced it 40% of the original values.
>>154632360%, I think
>>1546323https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RTZPDhi1Bk
>>1546328Yeah, I meant it reduced it by 40% to a final value of 60% of the original. Sorry if it wasn't clear.>>1546336Yeah, that's where I heard "Strength is by far the most important for reducing muscle strain"; but other people have been saying weapon skill is more important. But that might be bad hearsay from the fact more damage = less swings = less fatigue
>>1546337>Strength is by far the most important for reducing muscle strain"; but other people have been saying weapon skill is more importanti thought it was both a factor of str and weapon skill
>>1546336Holy fucking copeWhy did he fall off
>>1546343It is, I'm testing it right now as we speak.Using a claw hammer, a character with 0 strength and zero skill suffers around 1.2 muscle strain per swing; you don't suffer negative effects until about 25 strain.Bumping strength to 5 gives about .8 strain and at 10 you suffer about .4 while still at 0 skill.However, where it gets interesting is 5 skill and 0 strength. You suffer about ~.75 strain instead of the .8 from strength and at 10 skill it's .3 instead of .4.If we do 5 skill and 5 strength, you get .5 strain per swing. 10 skill, 5 strength is .2 and 10/10 is .1 strain per swing. So it seems there's some order of operations thing going on here; so weapon skill is less beneficial for people with average to high strength; but technically weapon skill gives more reduction to strain than strength does.
>can't use rope for log buildings, only rags>can't use rags for tying a spear, nor rope3 years.
>>1546355For funsies, the M9 you start with inflicts about 1.1 strain per shot at 0 strength and .6 at 5 strength. Max aiming skill reduces it to about .21 for 0 strength and .1 for 5 strength.
did they change the way you refill torches? I have a full propane tank but it's not giving me the context option to refill
>insert battery into flashlight defaults to the lowest charge batterywhat the fuck were these british niggers thinking
>>1546359Muscle strain removal for guns when?Less strawberry jam in our guns when?
>>1546360That was a mod.
>>1544433kek
>>1546383No it fucking wasn't
>>1544577New big update tomorrow, I'll deal with the muscle strain simulator for a few days before playing the slave simulator again.
>>1546383Don't try to gaslight me fucker I know how to use yahoo search.
>>1546389>>1546392I'm retarded and was thinking of lighters instead of welding torches.Welding torches are bugged.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3388082481
>>1546394Welding torch recipe is bugged.*
>>1545461i doim not agoraphobic or anything though i just dont like cities
>>1546425Do you reach a level of permanent unending panic which makes you a snivelling mess unable to swing a bat at zombies?
I wanted to be an animal farmer this run but this is just overwhelming. Should I just purge half of the chickens? Feeding and watering every enclosure would take a full day.
>>1546436just find a location with one big enclosure and use a trailer to bring aminals
>generators on the ground floor don't power basementsthree FUCKIN years
>>1545612This plus the fact you can right click and take stones from the ground makes it the best. Thanks for the tip.
>>1544433lmfaoI'm playing unstable beta right now and mehSound is really advancedThat's about it.Really underwhelming. I got a corpse clipped between a wall inside a house and I can't drag it inside or outside.They should have just hired the best modders in the community and let them finish teh game for them
>>1546464they did, that's why half the shit in this update is just fixes people have modded in. that's why you need a corkscrew to open wine bottles now.
>>1546455sorry i had to deal with these escorts and drugs that kept coming to my house for the past 3 years
>>1546190this
>>1546466>that's why you need a corkscrew to open wine bottles nowMeanwhile they'll refuse to add quality of life items like swiss army knives and other multi-purpose stuff in reality.
>>1546474I've seen a multi too that looks like a swiss army knife and a bottle opener that goes on your keyring
>>1546357What CAN you use then?
>>1546359>recoil inflicts muscle strainJust british things
>>1546494
>>1546545Classic.
with heightened zombie sense does shit like stealth matter more?inconspicuous, crouching etc?
>>1546279Just a quick 3-year ctrl c ctrl v
>level 9 fitness>climb a fence and swing a crowbar twice>full body muscle strainExcellent update.
>>1546578Intoxication needs a buff. I drank an entire litre of whisky and not only managed to remain standing, but to push over and stomp several zombies without injury.
>>1546571According to >>1546336 the only change is being behind fences works to conceal you completelyThat said, very very minor change compared to the noise shit
Any quick theorycrafts on how to survive during winter and the years after? I feel like maintaining food will be a problem by yourself.
>>1546580Like YOU could climb a fence and swing a crowbar twice without feeling like shit.
>>1546599i'm not level 9 fitness irli'm likelv1
>>1546580the devs used themselves as the models for how fitness should be with Lemmy being fitness 10
>>1546494>Just british thingsWe do not claim this man as our own.
>>1546601Yeah? And? Why are you complaining your ingame character is weak like (you)?Sorry anon, just saying the retarded stuff the subpreddit was saying recently. They seriously thought that 'gamers are weak, why are they complaining their characters are weak when they have maxxed stats?' was a good argument.
>>1546359>>1546494Shouldnt holding out a gun cause more strain on your muscles than recoil? t. never fired a gun
>>1546612some rural fuckass man from the 90s ain't a gamer
>>1546619Most weapons aren't so heavy or unwieldy for that to be a realistic outcome unless you're hungry skeleton levels of atrophy. If you're firing some insanely large and impractical cartridge like .700 nitro express, pic rel, I still couldn't see an argument for muscle strain but like bruising your shoulder instead. I've fired hundreds of rounds of 5.56 when we had to get rid of ammo and the only thing that hurt was my hands from loading the magazines, not shooting it or holding the weapon.
>>1546619>Shouldnt holding out a gun cause more strain on your muscles than recoil? t. never fired a gunGuns are, would you believe this, designed with ergonomics and usage in mind.There's some really beefy heavy guns out there, but most are surprisingly light because you're expected to shoot them.Something like a rifle chambered in 5.56, or any 9mm handgun can be used by girlymen with ease.You might get a little bruised if you're using a lightweight shotgun and firing high powered slugs all day or something though.
>>1546391Just turn it off. Even the most autistic "muh realism" fag should see that its just an unfun mechanic through and through. We already had fitness capping your combat effectiveness, no need for more.
>>1546585Get in car, run over some animals, butcher, eat.
>>1546627>>1546190I wish TIS had even one guy like this on their team to fact check them before they apply their retarded bong sensibilities to the game.
>>1546670People don't like being told their idea is fucking retarded and they should drop it completely because it has no basis in reality.
>>1546583Retenaru hasn't done a big stealth deep dive yet. From my personal experience with conspicuous, zombies are much slower to notice you in general; nevermind hiding behind a fence to become completely invisible.>>1546619Only if you're exceptionally weak and frail. The entire benefit of modern guns is that they can be used even by the frail and infirm. Only really holding up a handgun would cause significant strain over time; since that's ultimately a roughly 2lbs weight being held away from your body. But strength is absolutely a factor there. Recoil will never cause strain. Anybody who's actually shot a gun will have stories about spending a whole day at some range just firing off 500 USD worth of ammo non-stop.
>>1546571No, if anything I'd say this whole thing makes the stealth/combat balance worse. Since if you build big into stealth, then invariably get caught by one of the random super zombies; they'll bring all their buddies with you to investigate when they shamble over to investigate. This leaves you either:A) Over extended and surrounded, and will probably be eatenB) Forced to fight, and unless you also have high weapon skill and strength you'll generate significant strain and make a lot of noise to which other zombies will find youC) Be forced to flee and potentially run into another group at worse, or have to abandon the loot altogether.
This restaurant on the edge of Brandenburg is nice.>fireplace>big pond in the back>storage lot across the street for generator(s)>gas station a block down>fire station too
>>1546692So, I'm doing a run as a burglar with inconspicuous right now, and this has been exactly my experience. I'm not even halfway through day 1, and my character is 2/3rds of the way to stealth 3 and light footed 3, so clearly I've been sneaking by a lot of zombies; but one of the eagle eyed zombies (or at least one with better eyesight than all the others) spots me and makes their way over, inviting all his friends over and putting me into the loop of having to fight (and suffer strain and exertion) or run and abandon the loot.
>>1546717That's why you don't use the vanilla random sight and hearing settings; it basically makes everyone have insane sight and hearing.
>>1546721Yeah, I was fucking around to see if the whole "This update was to make stealth feel more balanced was true!"Turns out, it was a massive lie. Even with the annoyance of muscle strain, just killing everything is still objectively better by all metrics.
>rocks are a great weapon>not everything gives maintenance>rocks don't give maintenance.Well that's a bummer. Are spears better? The amount of weapons seems lower and I can't repair without maint 1
>>1546766>Are spears better?Spears are OP, fag
>>1546769Seems like they nerfed spears, the critical stab doesn't always kill zombies it seems like.
How do I take a fucking generator with me?
>>1546788Simply Take Generator.
>>1546788With a car. Press v near one to open the vehicle menu and put it on the front or back seat
next hotfix will fix the gun jamming issues
>>1546436>Feeding and watering every enclosure would take a full day.Bro thats like all the fun in this game?
With the new crafting, is there any way to reliably get a long blade weapon early on?
does slow metabolism actually work?
(whenever multiplayer drops) would anyone here be interested in a build 42 serb?
>>1546986Your best option is the scrap metal chopper, all the other long blades require you to get into the blacksmithing buildings and will probably take a long time to get there. I'm not sure if you have the recipe unlocked immediately with Welder, but a character with the Welder starting profession will at least have the levels to craft it immediately
>devs release hotfix after 3 days>intentionally removed the ability to use a stone as a tool for knapping, they want you to make a tool our of deer antlers
>>1547020>early on>lvl 4 welding>weldermask + blow torch + file + wrench + nuts and bolts + hand drill + sheet metal snips + Iron rodUnless you make your entire character centered around building this one item and you get lucky with the loot, this isn't "early on".
>>1547047That's unfortunately the absolute best bet. Unless you want to get 6 levels in smithing and build three separate pre-requisite buildings to be able to make the scrap swords. The only thing else is fishing up a machete or katana in a loot table.
>lemmy sat down and decided that the player would make a bone hatched by hunting a deer, building a leather drying rack, and processing the leather>he's autistically obsessed with forcing the player to specifically do that so allowing a rope to be used would ruin it>lemmy probably developed another autistic obsession with crafting a spear with zipties>so you can't use the widely available rags and ropes to craft a spear either, but then you just wouldn't look for zipties>stone blade can't be used as a spearhead because people would then just use that instead of sharpening bonesI'm now realizing that the reason why the crafting in Zomboid is so terrible is because the devs have autistic obsessions and they want the player to do highly specific actions.
>>1547063I'm coping that's because they're not done with the crafting yet and they'll at least improve it a little bit in the future. Especially since a lot of stuff literally does not get upgraded even after you go through the rigmarole of crafting it. Like the bone clubs, where you apparently need a recipe to wrap some leather around a bone.
Why can't you just make the quicklime cement like medieval people did?Because it would ruin the very specific thing devs want you to do. Devs want you to get a sack of sand, then forage clay, then mix the sand and clay;This needs to specifically be done with a bucket of water, no, it can't be any other container and you can't use a hole in the ground to do that.This doesn't make cement in real life btw, sand + clay = regular earth.In real life just mixing quicklime with earth on the ground is enough to cement stone structures that lasted for over a century. But if you could do that you wouldn't go through the specific ritual of getting a bucket, a shovel, collecting the sand and foraging the clay, It's "too easy", lemmy probably thinks. People would be making bulks of cement by piling up limestone, just like in real life.Just like the pickle jars, the vinegar needs to vanquish when you open them. Your character just drinks up all the vinegar so you can't continuously store stuff in vinegar, that would be too easy, like in real life. Zomboid is a simulation game, it's meant to be hard.
>>1547060how are the scrap swords in comparison to machetes?
>>1547063>>1547067My cope is once its done there will be some Common Sense style mod that actually balances the crafting sensibly.
>>1547075I had a pickling mod for b41, rhe one that gave the jar lids back if you opened a jar (like wtf devs? I pickled some stuff and you just wash the jar lid and use it again), thankfully they fixed the lids in b42 but vinegar is pretty rare and simply unviable to get easily. Same as bread (ultra duper super rare tier).
>>1547085It's the only hope really. I think it's pretty clear the devs 'vision' is retarded.
>>1547021>deer antler is somehow better than a rock for shaping other rocksNuclear holocaust of the anglo-saxi can't come fast enough
>>1547135Please don't hold all of us responsible for this one retard.
>>1547063They hired a guy to redo the whole crafting system but it wasn't done in time. I think what's in the unstable is simply unfinished.
>>1547158They hired him 3 years ago to do it. The only reason it isn't done is because they decided to add a bunch of dumb shit nobody asked for. Like a complete map rework or muscle fatigue mechanics.
>>1547163The new map is the best part of the update.
>>1547163I know they did, I have no idea how it isn't done yet.
If you don't like the OP image being a zombie girl, you're a newfag
>>1547063Crafting in general feels like the devs got tunnel vision and assumed everyone would want to live like peasants Why can't I get fabrics from existing clothing and sheets? Why can I only put barbed wire on plungers and brooms but not baseball bats?
>no /vg/ threadso what did b42 add
>>1547237It's totally half baked
>>1547245That's being generous honestly. Three years and this is all they have to show for it, even if by their own admission crafting is effectively not implemented other than the UI. Doesn't bode well.
>>1547249If anything it's been de-implemented. Stuff that was there is missing or broken, and a bunch of new stuff doesn't work, or has onerous requirements.I don't know how it's possible for it to be this broken unless they basically weren't working on it for most of the time, or they scrapped and rewrote it a bunch of times.But at least that could mean the design decisions showcased in the current build probably don't mean anything.
>>1547256>But at least that could mean the design decisions showcased in the current build probably don't mean anything.That has a separate problem though like you implied, what the fuck have they been working on then?
>>1546784>the critical stabSpears did not have a critical as far as I know, unless if you mean the stunlock animation that could get you killed if it happened at a retarded moment.
>>1547085I absolutely loved the CG's Recipe mod for B41.
>>1546582Yeah needs a blackout modeI am playing now with smoker trait and can't find any fucking smokes anywhere in 1993 KY there's also a radio script where someone talks about cell phones, no one had a fucking cell phoneI want my Guns of 93I want my auto cookThis game needs mods just to be basic level of enjoyable. It's so jenk and not in a fun way like STALKER. I do like the slowed down more thoughtful combat and movement now though. Crafting looks like a disaster.
>>1546670The fact that they don't have some KY hillbilly like Jacob Couch on speed dial to at least ask questions is fucking bullshit
>>1547272>I am playing now with smoker trait and can't find any fucking smokesI've had some bad luck with that, until I found some tobacco and rolling paper, ended up creating a measly eight cigarettes.
>>1547276Wow that is fucked. As someone who was alive in the early 90s in a state adjacent to KY, everyone fucking smoked. Everywhere. You'd find half smoked cigs in ash trays in every restaurant if you were such a junkie that you got MASSIVE CRIPPLING ANXIETY/PTSD from just 10 hours of no nicitine like you do in this game.
>>1547272Check all vehicles you come across on the roads, that's where I've been finding cigs
>>1547256>or they scrapped and rewrote it a bunch of times.This is absolutely what happened. Because at some point they decided they wanted a workbench system, and then they wanted to overhaul how liquids are handled, and then they wanted to add raw materials so you can start in the wilderness and still get metal gear, and so on and so forth
>>1547262The animation lock is the spear scoring a critical.
>>1547256Most of the crafting isnt done yet and not ingame because of it. I hope they knock it out with they wanted to make first next year along with mp.
>>1547259Everything else in the update. Like all the random fliers and the map rework, or the stealth "overhaul".
>Find farm with like 50 animals on it>Food problem completely trivializedThey didnt think through the repercussions of this many animals being on the map
>>1547240B42 features:>water is no longer boilable unless you use specifically the pot item and put it in and out of the fire>rain barrels can no longer be connected to sinks through plumbing>stone axe and knife now require maintenance skill to make>log walls can no longer be made using rope, only rags
>>1545100Echo Creek is too small of a town to want to permanently base in though. My favorite new base is definitely the community center in Brandenburg. Its too big for one person but it would be perfect if you play with friends on a server together. It even has an indoor pool that you can still fish in. Ekron also has a really nice police station+school across the street, with a pond for water less than 30 seconds away.
>>1546436>Devs add animal farming>Except they start you off with so many animals it makes more sense to just butcher them all and have enough food for longer than most runs even last
>>1547334Most of those are known bugs not features. Find actual things to complain about like the pitch black rooms.
>>1547344I think the animal farming is more or less exclusively for the people who try to make runs last multiple in game years. While the existing amounts are for everyone else who just needs enough food to last them a month or so.
>>1547163Which is also mystifying because as said earlier, there already WAS a muscle fatigue mechanic in the game that worked better and was more realistic than the new one
>>1547350Yeah but theres already so much food in this game just from scavenging even on the lowest settings and doing minimal foraging or farming. It feels like all the stuff they added is just for roleplay more than actual things people will engage in naturally.
>>1546709Is there a mod to spawn in any of the new towns yet?
>>1547284You're right I finally found some in a car.
>>1547349Maintenance being used as a redundant crafting skill isn't a bug, removing plumbing to add the new water system, without adding the water system, also not a bug. Log walls recipe being rag only is not a bug.Almost everything bad with the update was an intentional decision taken by game director and it's being put on beta with those because he deemed acceptable. He thinks it's okay to release the beta for the new version with ridiculously impractical recipes and broken systems that were previously working because "we'll figure that out later".
>>1547353>It feels like all the stuff they added is just for roleplayYou mean like the entire crafting system overhaul?
If you want better shoot disable "Pan Camera While Aiming" when you use guns. I guess the panning messes with how the vector aim works.
>>1547358>>1547353yes. this update was solely for mp fags. funny thing is, most pub servers will want loot spawn on anyways. nobody wants to log into a server go to a house and find out that its all already been picked clean so they have to go innawoods clan FagFucker with their ramshack cottage and garbage bags strewn on the floor so they can ask kindly for a bronze club. they want to loot shit and kill zombies for the loot.
>>1547272>thoughtful combat>you kill 5 zombie>no no more>now sit in timeout
>>1547396Yeah you're right it needs to strike a balance I guess.why am i solving captcha to make every post fuck this gay ass site
>>1547394The entire philosophy of the update just seems like they lost sight of their own game.
>>1547415Muscle strain won't ever result in "Thoughtful combat" because there's nothing to be thoughtful about. Since all it functionally is, is combat adding to a "cooldown" timer of enforced non-combat time.>>1547418Not surprising given that 6 years or so have passed between build 40 and 42.
>>1547356I think they fucked up the development of the big ticket features at some point and had to restart, but delaying it for a year wasn't an option.I can't explain it another way.
>>1547500October 2023:>the vast infrastructure overhaul of the crafting systems has been merged and opened up to the rest of the gang, we’ve had a crack team of coders working solidly on implementing the various new post-apocalyptic profession tech trees, workstations and recipes that will provide for a vast amount of options for crafting and building in B42.In January 2024:>We’re waiting on a big commit to fill in some of the gaps in the crafting system process itselfMarch 2024:>Sadly not too much from the new crafting in motion this time. Please be assured, though, that there’s a lot of work going on there, but some aspects aren’t ready for show, and others are waiting for a core code update to hook things into and as such aren’t filmable.May 2024:>At this point the main element of the Build 42 update that’s been holding stuff back has been the substantial crafting overhaul that’s been underway.October 2024:>For the past half a year or so we have had six people working on our new vision for crafting. As regular readers will know, delays with it have been a primary reason that things have been held back. During B42 development we didn’t build in enough safeguards should key members of the team become unavailable due to illnessI think something went wrong with this. The engine update (basements, lighting and animation upgrades) was merged in January. The big thing left was crafting, and something went wrong, and they had to throw more people at it.
>unstable always give me 75-40 fps on average even on the lowest settingsis it just bloat from the new uptade or do i need a new pc
>>1547522>delay the entire update by a year instead of just releasing crafting seperatelybravo lemmy
>>1547584>delays the update by a year>crafting is still broken>releases it with broken crafting, not even just the old working crafting
>A lot of useless crafting skills>Still no Spear/Long Blade skills
>>1547680huh? spear and long blade have been in the game big pimp
>>1547685Experience multipliers.
>>1545031My bet is mid-late 2026. I'm being generous here.
How the fuck am I supposed to level maintenance? Why the fuck do I even need maintenance to tie a rock to a stick?
I'm playing Unstable Beta like all of you.Just tried to take a nap. Set an alarm on my digital watch. It did not go off.So I missed my nap and slept all day instead.They are breaking shit that was already in the game.Hit detection in melee is also really bad. I shove, stomp and miss a lot. Zombie gets that perfect swipe from the ground though.
>>1547686I found a long blade skill book in b42
>>1547691Added DEPTH, INTERACTIVITY, and PROGRESSION chud. Whats that? Wanna nail a wood box together and stick a trash bag in it? Grind for 12 hours.
>>1547720The devteam never go outside their apartment so from their perspective no human has any survival skills.
>>1547720>Why the fuck do I even need maintenance to tie a rock to a stick?THIS IS HOW YOU TEDIOUS
>>1547747Really? Sweet.
>>1547720There are two or three traits, and two occupations that give +1 Maintenance in B42
Serious question but who the fuck actually plays on default XP settings? You can up that shit to 4x and it still feels glacially slow.I'm not convinced anyone authentically got to 10 in their desired stats.
>>1547775Cool, I can blow one of my two possible positive traits on one of those!
>>1547778>Serious question but who the fuck actually plays on default XP settings? You can up that shit to 4x and it still feels glacially slow.The "default" experience gain is set to 0.25% before any modifiers, it's quite shitty.
>>1547798so 4x is actually 1x
>>1547799Yes.
>>1547798That less-so means 1 = 0.25 and more-so means 0.25 = 1. If that makes sense.
How the fuck do I make a campfire? It says now you have to make it with 3 stones in the build menu but there's no recipe or anything.
>>1547807The first experience modifier wouldn't be 0.75 if that was the case.
>>1547813A single skill point upping it to 0.75 is 'really' upping it from 1 to 3.
>>1547814Nope.
>>1547809nvm fixed it
>>1547816Oh, sorry. Upping it from 1 to 4. Is that better?
>>1547824Do you see the Actual Experience Gain? That's what me and the other anon were talking about when you started to argue about some other shit.
>>1547829The 'actual' experience gain is just ratios. 25% being the default just means 25% is regular experience gain.
>Bed, camera and red lamps
>Spawn in Westpoint so that I can head to the Louisville checkpoint to find army zombies>Check the police department>Barely any zombies>Five survivor zombies show up>Two of them have chest rigs>One has a water skin bagI guess I don't have to go to Louisville then.
The new crafting mechanics feel like they belong to a different game.They feel more "You wash ashore a deserted island, survive the zombies!" style game rather than one where you're in a 1993 American county.Why the fuck would anybody be crafting wooden cudgels and stone spears when there's more than enough random shit laying around to make much more effective weapons with minimal skill?They're zombies, not fucking vampires. Any pole-like object with a heavy thing on the end will smash heads from a safe distance.For all their talk about realism the game sucks dick when it comes to common sense anti-zombie tactics.
>>1547945I like the new crafting system because I like to start in the middle of the woods with nothing and survive on foraging, fishing, trapping, farming etc. The problem is that the way they made it it requires you to have a shit ton of stuff you can only get in towns so it completely defeats the purpose of having the whole system in the first place.
>>1547953>I like the new patch because I like to not play ZomboidGod, shills get worse by the year, we've reached "It's bad on purpose!"
>>1547721if you go to sleep at max tiredness, you'll sleep through your alarm
>>1547945>The new crafting mechanics feel like they belong to a different game.I'm not sure if the current crafting in B42 is basically all placeholder and alpha stage, because they've said before that their vision for mid to endgame is basically to have the player reinvent and make post-apocalyptic medieval-ish type technology. That makes a certain kind of sense, but the problem with this is that the timescale for the vast majority of game sessions in PZ don't last beyond a month or a few months. So essentially the whole crafting system as they envision it is intended for a miniscule subset of the player base to roleplay blacksmiths and farmers and make pottery on their year 7 servers. What they need to do is let go of the "muh realism" (not that many of their recipes or ideas are even realistic) autism and vastly simplify the earlier levels of a lot of these new and reworked skills. You need to be able to make simple tools and weapons and crafting benches out of practically anything. You can up the complexity for the later part of these skill/tech trees. And even then, it needs to be rewarding enough to make you want to grind these skills up no matter if its "realistic" or not. If I'm grinding up to 8+ welding/metalworking or whatever, I want to make cool looking sword type weapons that are functionally superior to machetes/katanas, because if they're not then I might as well just play the game killing zombies and find more machetes and katanas.
>>1547985>because they've said before that their vision for mid to endgame is basically to have the player reinvent and make post-apocalyptic medieval-ish type technologyThat doesn't make any sense because their repeatedly stated intent is for the player to die in the first few weeks of the game.I don't think anything new happens after about 50 days ingame, which causes katanas and shit to appear on zombies.
>>1547893Damn, that's the dream start.
>>1547987I remember reading one of their dev blogs about long term road maps and they did explicitly say that. Again, you're right though, the vast majority of runs will end in the first few weeks. Its a fun idea to have the option of playing Sims and having these ultra intricate crafting trees, but the question is how much dev time is it reasonable to spend on that vs if they had put all their focus into the map rework, adding z-axis, NPC's, maybe animals for hunting (that's pretty good addition even in the early-mid game). We'd probably already be playing B42 stable in MP and just waiting for the NPC's.
It's so fucking weird to get a patch for a zombie stomping game which removes a lot of fun in regards to stomping zombies.
Starting out feels pretty fucking RNG when you can be surrounded by more zombies than you can clear before your arms are hurty-wurty :(Like obviously there's RNG involved for how well your start goes but it often just feels impossible because you CAN'T clear an area before coming up against more zombies than you're allowed to curbstomp, and there's no real way to be stealthy when they're absolutely everywhere.
why are you all so bad at the game?
>>1548019Why is the game so poorly constructed?
>>1548023I just can't fathom how anyone could be struggling in the early game without sprintersnigga they're fucking shamblers, just walk away bro they literally can't catch you even if you're at max exhaustion
>>1547945>The new crafting mechanics feel like they belong to a different game.I swear they started going on about it shortly after they announced they hired a former worker on minecraft.
>>1548024>Nigger just like...Don't interact with the zombies lmao>Just walk away!If I wanted to play 'walk around slowly' simulator why the fuck do I need zombies? It's a zombie game, the purpose should be to interact with zombies, not ignore them.
>>1548025the minecraft guy was hired long after b42 started development and his main contribution was making procedurally generated forests and foraging zonesyou can read about what their intentions with the minecraft-tier crafting here:https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/02/holy-cow/
>>1547562You're just one of the unlucky people to not get the benefits of the optimization they did, I have the same problem.
new hotfix
>>1547720The only way to get maintenance at a reasonable rate is to find something like glue or a whetstone and use that to repair the weapon in your hand. Even with a +125% starting multiplier for being a repairman or something you'll only get ~20 xp per action. You can get it by killing zombies with tools specifically, it seems. The various hammers and a tire iron are the ones I've found that work, I think the wrenches also work to level the skill. Leveling maintenance naturally is going to be miserable.
>>1548028>>Nigger just like...Don't interact with the zombies lmaoconsidering how annoying the made the combat, the best way to play the game now is to stealth crouch everywhere and lure large hordes away into forests
>>1548037Yeah because that's fun gameplay, fucking hobbling around like a goblin to lure zombies into the woods.
>>1548024The only reason why zombies are even remotely a threat is because they're just walking bags of HP, even if the game tracks where your character's hit actually lands to determine if the zombie's "armored" or not.
>>1548039The game feels like shit once you realize that regular hits are worthless and it's only crits that matter because they're nearly 1 hit KO's.And crits 99% come from weapon type and skill, which makes a lot of stuff sort of shit.It's why spears were OP as hell, they had a huge crit chance plus would 1 hit KO on crits.
>>1548034The whole new aiming system is retarded. The game applies a penalty to your accuracy and widens the cone if you aim at an interactable object. So if you take aim at a window, you lose some accuracy from the "Baseline" when not aiming, and zombies have a massive penalty; even if they're not moving at all.No idea how anyone thought the whole system was a good idea when it's still coupled with muscle strain, in addition to all the usual problems with guns like the limited ammo and "Being loud" thing.
>>1548042At higher levels, regular hits do actually matter. Since you go from 30% of the weapon's actual damage to around 100% or more. The real dogshit thing is how only axe, long blade and long blunt weapons get an additional bit of bonus damage at levels 3 and 7, so they're closer to 200% damage by level 10.
>>1548043I'll gladly take the new aiming over the old highlight system that made every gun other than a shotgun feel like shit to use
>>1548045Axechads rejoice, the only weapon class that gets bonus stats from a profession-exclusive perk too.
>>1548046I do suppose they can fix this in the long run, unlike the old highlight system which will never feel good.
>>1548047It's been like that since the beginning, axes were definitely just the objective best weapon class overall. Long blades might overtake them in the long run thanks to being able to smith your own now.
>>1548049>>1548045Sorry, need to correct myself. It's long blunt, spears and axes that get the bonuses, and you get an additional reduction in stamina usage at level 8+.
>>1548054Does anybody actually get to level 8 without exploits or just monotonous grinding?I've cleared an entire city before and not reached that level.
>>1548056If you start with a level in a specific weapon skill, it's not too bad to reach level 8. Weapon skill EXP is tied directly to damage (sadly I don't know how much per point of damage) so as you level up you trend towards more XP over time, and smashing downed zombies with your weapon also nets you more XP.
>Build 42>Zombies still fucking respawn out of the aetherDevs plz, keep respawns off by default but improve how they move about the map.
>>1548065>Zombies still fucking respawn out of the aetherThis wouldnt even be an issue if they respawned in middle of a forest away from the player and naturally wandered into cities and towns but its really noticable when zombies literally pop into existance inside already cleared houses/streets for no reason
>every library now has the shelves filled with meme books like the encyclopedia of STDs instead of skill books>if you're lucky there's a single shelf with 3-4 skill books and nothing elsenot like this...
Cant wait for this game to fall into same pitfalls CDDA has
>First Aid skill still doesn't do literally anything3 years and they couldn't just make the skill heal your wounds faster?>Slow healer still just deals more damage to your character>Fast healer still just deals less damage to your character
>>1548075What's even the point of first aid, to bandage your hands if you're dumb enough to break a window with your bare hands? It's not like you can do jack shit when you get scratched or bitten.Did they add wound infection mechanics or does it still not matter if you use dirty or clean bandages?
>>1548079there's a sandbox setting to make infections damage your health but it feels like it doesn't do anything
>>1548075>guns now have a chance to misfire, causing burns on your hands and breaking your gloves>only way to fix that is to wait for 3 weeks for your hands to heal naturally so you can use them again or craft ointment which requires 7 first aid skill>there is no ointment you can naturally find, only stuff you can craft yourself>also applying splint requires 4 skill, sutures are 9 skillyou rike?
>>1548079First aid does a few things as of current. It makes you bandage faster (irrelevant), it keeps clean bandages clean longer (irrelevant), makes fractures heal faster and impact you less (only decent thing it does) and gives you a little tooltip if a particular injury is "severe" (Completely useless)Wound infection now has a world modifier if it'll deal damage to your character, but that's it. It defaults to off. >>1548081The medical skill levels are a little fucked up honestly. The way it presents it to a character through the skill books is having you jump around all over the place with levels of care. You don't technically learn anatomy until level 7-8.
>>1548075First aid was always a meme as long as they have zombies doing 1 hit KO's.>Thank god I had first aid, my character lived 7 hours with the infection instead of 6>Said nobody ever
>>1548086It's why I turn off zombie infection honestly. I think it makes the game more interesting when you have to actually engage with the medical system instead of drinking bleach after getting injured once.
>>1548037>>1548038Or just disable combat muscle strain in sandbox. Whatever the game is lacking at least it has really good options for customizing the difficulty,
>>1548075Don't give them ideas. They'll make it to where you need 5 First Aid just to bandage yourself with a rag.
>>1548019tedious =/= difficult>>1548034Thank god. Jamming is absolutely retarded. It should only be on weapon condition. Yeah heard the point blank was bugged before.Anybody dissuaded from 2 handed weapons? Since dark is very dark you'll need a light in the other hand if you want to see well. Been using short blunt.
>>1548088Same, although first aid is still irrelevant. Not even in MP with friends would it really be that impactful to have a dedicated medic.If there were more medical actions, like in Rimworld, then there might be a point. It could be cool for some really long running game to have to consider being able to do surgeries, but its the same problem as with crafting rework, its useless and invisible to almost everyone playing the game.
>>1548100Not sure if its a Common Sense thing but you can put a flashlight on your belt slot.
>>1548100there are military flashlights you can attach to a chest rig to free your other hand, I think you might also be able to attach lanterns to something? I'm not sure but it would make sense
>>1548104Just launched the game, playing pure vanilla. Couldn't do it but nice to know there's a mod.>>1548105I saw no option for the lantern. I hold it in my off hand. I heard of the L light but it seems rare (and needs webbing?)
>>1548110>I saw no option for the lantern. I hold it in my off hand.I don't really understand why they would add a craftable lantern and a flashlight if both work the same way, you'd think the lantern could at least be hung from a backpack or belt but provide less illumination in front of you but if that's not the case then I really don't know what is the purpose of them
Why is every balance patch full of smug hateful undertones?>Ha, fuck you players we're going to fill the map with a gorillion zombies!>Fine, we'll just burn them with molotovs>Next patch>Molotovs now need hyper rare magazine to craftEugh.
>>1548116Same reason why 7 days to die became shit. Devs have an extremely specific "Vision" for the game and try to force all the players to follow it to the detriment of the game's core systems. Of course, with these long running indie games they have enough dick riders nobody will call them out on their bullshit.
>>1548116it's probably to prevent griefing tards on serbs with firespread enabled from spawning in and immediately throwing molotovs at every important locationbut I guess you could just put metallic stuff into microwaves or turn every oven you find on and then leavehonestly who the fuck knows what goes through lemmy's head when this stuff gets changed
>>1548121>Make game with 'realistic' fire which IRL burns entire cities without firefighting>Gets made at their own design choices>WTF players why are you using the tools we gave you and wanted to give you!?Lemmy is a fucking sociopath.
>>1548122>Make game with 'realistic' firezomboid fire is not realistic lmaowhat even happened with the supposed fire rework they kept showing off in thursdoids few years back? Must be another memoryholed feature
Weren't you supposed to be able to properly plumb a sink (i.e not having to have the rain collector be directly above it necessarily) in this update?
>>1548123'member slowly sliding doors open to peek inside? I 'member.
>>1548124No, plumbing was removed in this update
>>1548124nobody knows, you can't use the old method anymore so either it's currently bugged or it was removed so a different system could be implemented for it (except they forgot to actually make that system first before removing the old one lmao)
no wonder it took three years, absolutely fucking the hitreg on downed zombies to this extent must have taken a serious amount of manpower!
>>1548123It's realistic enough. In real life most cities would burn to slag without firefighting.
>>1548132it took these retards 3 years to make half of the update and everything in it is still broken as shitthen they were pressured into releasing it early by the community because fucktard lemmy talked too much on Reddit and confirmed 2024 release date in a random comment 6 months ago despite constantly whining in thursdoids about how setting deadlines is bad and makes everything worse
>>15480343.5 tiles is a mile away, how is that point blank?
>>1548141consider it from the gameplay perspectiveif 0 aiming character can only hit point blank shots, leveling up aiming if the point blank range was 1 tile would means you'd have to go and kill 20 zombies midway through their bite animation with the pistol just to level up and not suck complete ass with it
>>1548132Hitreg on downed zombies has been fucked since they added animations.
>>1548151Thought it was just me being bad, multiple times I've had this thing where I'm going to bash a crawler and it somehow doesn't do shit, meanwhile the fucker is chomping on my feet.
>>1548047Having to level maint to keep them sharpened is a real fucking drag now though
>>1548181Can you still make stone axes?
>Want to replace broken handle>Need maint 1 and carving 1 to make the handleMaint 1 slow but faster once you realize sharpening gives expCarving? Can't make planks into in spears. Have to rely on sticks I found and brooms. Then I'm suppose to use the spear to break it then carve that into stakes?Would prefer if they just make recipes give shit condition.
>>1547953i would understand your pov if there were some dangers to living in the forest, but there arent any. no predators, no ticks, no diseases, no natural disasters no nothing.and for that reason i will call you retarded.
>>1548236>Need to find magazine in order to learn how to sharpen sticksPLEASE don't give them any more shitty ideas. The fact we need to find a magazine to craft literally anything in this game is torment
I think I'm done playing until crafting comes back.
>>1548080yes but will it kill you? cold deals damage to the player, all the way to one but doesnt kill you. at least last i checked maybe they changed that too.
>Hotfixes allows players to remove half the "features" on the b42 patch notesthis actually funny. "features" so shit you gotta turn them off at sandbox, which leaves the bloated crafting recipes and basements as the only added during this patch cycle. 3 years for this.
>>1548287We get it dude. The game sucks and the devs are idiots. Whatever.
>>1548291you have no business here if you don't like the complain kino
What do I pair with ZomboWin
>gas station + grocery store + car shop +house + basement >one single building>very low zombie density around>short drive away from the military surplus storeWhy did they give the new town the most convenient place on the map?
>>1548287All I wanted was improved lighting, basements, and the map expansion. So this is fine.
>>1548386Same. I just wish they kept the old crafting system until the new one is done.
>>1548379Don't forget>right next to dozens of sheep and hundreds of chickens
>>1548379what building is this?
>>1548406Echo Creek gas station.
>>1547422Thoughtful combat = staring at a large horde and realizing muscle strain won't let you win so you default to using the vehicle beyblade method
>>1548414to be fair melee combat is fucking scary if zombies are real
Muscle strain isn't real if you alternate arms and legs with decent strength.
>>1548416Blunt damage to the skull is way deadlier than what games and media have told you. So no, not really. That old hammer you have in your toolbox? One-shot machine.
>>1548416People over estimate zombies honestly. Even ignoring the regular wear and tear they'd put on themselves by shambling around; if you whack a zombie, you're still going to break an arm, or knock all it's teeth out or something. They'd wear down faster than a human would because they make no effort to protect themselves.
>>1548422>>1548423are you fucking stupid?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6bKFjxPbC4
>>1548425Zombies =/= nu-zombies
>>1548425>movie clip
>>1548437NTA but where the fuck even are zombies from if not movies?
>hotfix 2 doesn't include fixing the water boiling>about to hit 1 week with a major game mechanic required to play the game for long periods being broken>hotfix 2 doesn't reintroduce stones as knapping tools meaning they probably intent to keep it that way, where you can only knap using deer antlers and wood mallets among other weird items
>>1548444I doubt they intend to keep it that way. The crafting update isn't out yet.
basements and the new lighting are awesome, I hope they add the rest of the crafting in soon, I don't really see the point in starting a long term playthrough with what we have now
>>1545780This has to changeIf you swing a crowbar at zombies hundreds of times a day you're going to get big arms in a month or twoAlso has anyone gotten a metal baseball bat yet? Apparently they're crowbars but even better
>>1548447Honestly, I hate to say it but Cataclysm has it way better. Because you can use just about any old thing that would logically work; since that game just tags items with tool qualities. So a random rock is hammering 1, a crude hammer/stone hammer is hammering 2 and a proper steel hammer is hammering 3. I hope they go that way instead of requiring specific tools for specific tasks.
>>1548441The zombies in this game are based on George Romero's movies, not the nu-shit of modernity.
>>1548447Why did they remove stone as a tool then?3 years have gone by and the devs have trouble taking short steps forward.I just tested and the Soda Pop hasn't been fixed.You have an array of items in the game that completely eliminate hunger and the need to sleep for multiple days.Water can't be boiled if you do not have a very specific water container.So the game is 100% broken and they haven't fixed it in 2 hotfix updates. Lemmy said that he was disappointed by the reception meaning he actually thought people would be mindblown by a Zomboid patch that breaks water boiling among a dozen other things.
>>1548469what the fuck is that pc clipping?
Pots and buckets are the only containers that can boil water atm. But be warned that buckets take many in-game hours to purify.
>>1548470It's the new and improved graphics of B42 which allows for sprites to be in front of you so you can finally sit in a couth that is facing north.
>>1548379Because there's not much else around Echo Creek. Besides, I guess you haven't seen the house north of town? 3 story rustic wood house with its own well right outside the door, chicken coops, fields, storage shed.
>>154842528 days later style zombies are something else entirely. The same reason sprinters are something only hypermasochists with 3000 hours in PZ play with.I think what people underestimate is the stress they'd put on their bodies by the type of repetitive actions you'd do to kill zombies. Hitting something relatively hard with a blunt object over and over is bound to result in tennis elbow or some shit before long, and then you'd have to resort to running away all the time, until your knees got fucked, and then it'd officially be over.
>>1548453That is actual chad tier game design logic though, simple yet allows for so much complexity, so I doubt we'll see it in PZ.
>>1548478The problem there is people make a living out of hitting thing much harder than people for hours on end every day. Just like people make a living out of running really fast for really long periods of time. I'm sure a lot of people would fuck themselves up, but nowhere near to extent you imagine. Of course, the problem of wear and tear also applies to zombies as well.
>>1548453>I hate to say ityou're right though
>crowbar now gives less maintenance xpretarded change
>>1548034Was hoping they'd fix stuff like not being able to clean bandages, water boiling, or cooking.I want to see what's in tomorrow's coldfix.
>>1548489you can clean bandages but only with a water container in your inventory
>>1548491Yeah, and it's probably because it doesn't recognize any water sources as fulfilling the "WaterSource" crafting tag.
>>1548491>>1548492more annoyingly, in order to clean more than a single bandage you have to go into the crafting menu in order to do so; adding a hell of a lot more clicks for no reason.
>>1548493Same for dismantling digital watches.
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>>1548469>Lemmy said that he was disappointed by the receptionwhere? everywhere i read, steam forums, reddit, and youtubers have praised this update.is he reading 4chan? thats the only area i see that has negative feedback and even here, you still see defenders of zomboid.
>>1547778This. I crank that shit up. Someone on Youtube showed how much work it is to level up enough to hotwire cars. You had to collect over a 100 watches or something. Fuck that.I'm never taking smoker trait again, this is so dumb.>>1547843hahahah these fucking faggots who make this game hahahahahaha>>1547978Really? This must be new. Holy shit. The alarm didn't even go off though so idk?>>1547945I agree, it's fucking tedious and dumb. I want shit like fuel stabilizer for gasoline, gas won't last for years like they have it in this game, they nit pick shit that doesn't matter and ignore big stuff that does.>>1547956It really doesn't feel like the same game but I'll change my mind and like it more once modders can rescue it. I NEED AUTO COOKING>>1548024I agree that's why I turn on helicopter events to max.
>>1548503>Steam forums have praised the updateAre you kidding? The reception there has been lukewarm at best.
am I the only one playing without exp multiplier?the only change I made is to make electric and water go out in 6-12 monthsI like being able to use electrical stuff
>>1548517I didn't touch exp multiplier. I never live long enough for skills to matter anyway.
>>1548517I normally don't. I think the EXP rates for skills are about fine as is, the only thing I do tweak is like Strength and Fitness and give those a higher rate.
>>1548471lmao are you shitting me, the amount of liquid now affects the time to sterilize?
>>1548480Most of those people do more or less fuck themselves up before they hit the age of 40.
>>1548493I also still want to know how I can add things to stews or soups without right-clicking the pot every time in my inventory. Even the old crafting UI was faster than this.
>>1548539Yeah, but they don't hit the wall immediately. 10-20 years of zombie killing isn't all that bad, and in reality a dedicated zombie killer would probably spend a lot of time more or less on stand by doing far lighter tasks.
>>1548536That actually makes sense though.It doesn't make sense for it to take an hour to boil any sized pot of water though.
>>1548517I tweak Fitness and Strength, thinking about tweaking Electrical too because the way you level it is just too annoying. There ought to be some VHS tapes for Electrical like there is for Mechanics, so you can at least boost it up 3 without having to spend ages dismantling every TV set and digital watch in existence.
>>1548546In B42, sometimes a pot doesn't boil no matter how long I leave it in the oven.Also, the graphics for the range show a flame when you turn the oven on, but it doesn't look like placing something on top of the stove actually heats it.
>>1548549This AI generated website says it's impossible to boil water in an oven because boiling water "requires steam", which an oven cannot provide.https://shiftychevre.com/can-you-boil-water-in-an-oven/
screwdrivers and rocks are absolutely insane in this build
>>1548546This is precisely the kind of thing where you have to consider if its reasonable from a gameplay perspective rather than how realistic it is. You can have variable times depending on quantity, but it should generally be pretty fast regardless of quantity because otherwise its mostly just an annoyance.Really the main problem with the "endgame" of this game is that striving for realism is the opposite of what motivates you to engage in that kind of gameplay. Why should I grind skills, build my base, come up with solutions for this or that survival need if I can't achieve something closer to automation? For instance it doesn't matter that its not realistic, but being able to purify rain water via plumbing a sink is a nice automation goal in your endgame base building. You invest into carpentry and other skills and scout a suitable location such that you now get to have a steady source of clean water. The game needs more things like this that you can strive for, that simplify your game, instead of coming up with more ways of assfucking you by having you sit around waiting for hours.
>>1548555Rocks are probably the best disposable short blunt weapon in the game right now. Since you can just find them fucking everywhere and they barely fatigue you, while still dealing decent damage.
>>1548558The biggest "realism" offenders with the new update aren't actually realistic at all. Some of these mechanics aren't bad ideas and could enhance immersion, but the way they're implemented is neither fun nor realistic.
Speaking of maintenance. The edge sharpness of weapons and separate handle/head durability system is really highlighting how fucked this game's durability system is. When weapons become completely blunt after only a couple attacks, it really fucking sucks. Never mind dedicated impact tools like a hammer snapping after only a few swings, or the head becoming completely useless after bashing in a dozen zombie's heads in.
>>1548566That said I'm not sure if water boiling taking forever is even intentional, because sometimes it doesn't boil at all. It just seems to be broken.
>>1548549>the range show a flame when you turn the oven on, but it doesn't look like placing something on top of the stove actually heats it.Yeah, but it does allow you to light cigarettes.
>>1548555Screwdrivers were always strong weapons.Do rocks give short blunt xp?
shooting feels really good nowthis was with a bite on my right forearm
>>1548567I like the idea of what they're doing though, separating durability of different components. That said I can't wait for it to be done so that modders can actually balance the values to not be retarded.
>>1548597I love the concept, but it's really highlighting how much of a stopgap the old system was.
>B41>you can use ropes for log buildings>B42>you cannot use ropes for log buildings, only rags>B41>you can saw logs into planks on the ground without having to move the log to your inventory, leaving the planks on the ground also>B42>you loot the log and saw it in your inventory and the planks are placed in your inventory, damaging you from the over encumbrance >B41>clean rags in the sink>B42>you must first move the water into a bottle to clean the rags with the bottled waterThis is what a patch 3 years in the making looks like.
Just a reminder that we won't need a new thread until like a week or two after bump limit because this board is very slow. So don't make one and if someone does don't move to it
>>1548503This is why they were underwhelmed by the response. It was almost a non-event in the charts. They thought that holding back an update for 3 years would blow everybody's minds once they released it with no multiplayer and an intentionally broken plumbing system. They thought people would be going nuts over the privilege of spending hours collecting clay clumps to make 300 bricks and then traveling throughout the map in search of the specific concrete item in order to make a brick house.
>>1548542auto cook mod when this shit is out of unstable betaauto train car shit was good too, auto tailoringgame needs massive mods to make basic QOL shit bearable
>>1548656Honestly, they probably would have had another build 41 explosion if they had multiplayer in on release. But announcing that like over half of the actual content of the update (and not just the back end engine stuff like the stealth, increased height limit and basements) just won't be in the initial release killed all the hype.People are already apologetic of all the shit in the update without the multiplayer.
>>1548658I don't care about multiplayer, but the reason I'm not playing is because crafting is fucked, and skills are useless, and loot doesn't make sense, and I'd rather experience B42 after they fix all that because right now it's a bummer.
Really though, how did this take three years?
>>1548670It will take even longer because this is the unstable version
>>1548670By changing focus halfway through. Remember this was going to be just crafting and animals at first. Then they decided they wanted an engine overhaul to add basements, increase the height limit and improve optimization. Then they wanted redo the map to pretty things up, then they wanted to add new towns, then they wanted to add a bunch of junk items, rewrite the existing skill books to have titles now, change how aiming and shooting works...The scope for the update began creeping more and more with each subsequent thursdoid to the point all the manpower put onto the update got super diluted.
>>1548517Personally have been doing vanilla apocalypse, no tweaks, may take a while til I get anywhere interesting when it comes to crafting.
>>1548670Because they had to restart the crafting rewrite sometime early this year and it caused a delay of several months.
>>1548681Should only have been animals. And next update NPCs
shit fucking devs holy SHITI was looking for guides and shit on the new crafting stuff. turns out stuff that should be in the right-click menu of items are hidden in the new garbage craft menuSo this mod should fix this thing for this garbage gamehttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3390169945
>>1548702I'm glad we're getting all this new stuff before NPCs, because I know it will take them 3 years to do NPCs and nothing else.
Annnd welding torch is bugged
>>1548709You mean the refill recipe?
>>1548719Yes.
>>1547604I hope his mental health has improved since then.
>>1548707And the npcs will simply be the known npc mod that is already working on b41 lmao>>1548720Another thing that modders fixed for these gargabe shit face zomboid devshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3388082481
>>1548724Didn't they hire the guy who did the NPC mod onto their team?
>>1548756yes, he made the fishing minigame
>>1548724>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3388082481I really don't get this shit. Cooking soups and stews require right clicking pots and going through context menus in inventory repeatedly (makes no sense), but simply refilling a fucking torch is a crafting recipe instead of a simple right click context action. What the fuck.
>dude you can just fix it with mods>you need a mod to balance all the item weight in the game since devs quintupled the weight of nails, quadrupled the weight of rags, and shrunk the backpacks>you need a mod to boil water>you need a mod to sterilize the bandage in the water>you need a mod to clean the bandage in the sink>you need a mod to collect clay from the soil>you need a mod to make concrete with the quicklime>you need a mod so the UI tells you what the occupations and traits actually do>you need a log to link the rain barrel to the sink>you need a mod to use ropes for log buildings>you need a mod to use rags for spears>you need a mod to use rags or ropes for the bone axe>you need a mod to fix the soda pop from breaking the game>you need a mod to refill an empty welding torch>you need a mod to knap with a regular rock instead of needing a fucking deer antler and lvl 1 carving>you need a mod to remove maintenance requirements for crafting>you need a mod to saw logs on the ground instead of having to pick them up>you need a mod for the aim outline so you can see which zombie you're shooting at
People joke about "mods will fix it" or "mods will make it playable", those are always jokes. Skyrim is playable without mods, in Zomboid you literally need to finish the development of each build on the behest of the devs. The game builds are straight up experimental and you can't survive in the long run without modding boilable water.
>>1548138>constantly whining in thursdoids about how setting deadlines is bad and makes everything worseAh yes, the Chris Roberts school of deadlines. Would love to say I hope it works out for lemmy like it did on Freelancer but I doubt there's any corpo interested in the zomboid IP.
>water and power go out>can't boil water>shit myself to deathWow I'm sure glad they spent 3 years working on that crafting update for long term survival!
are you enjoying your free DLC sized update?
>>1548771>The game builds are straight up experimentalyes anon, it's literally an unstable. B42 isn't actually out yet.
Didn't one guy make Stardew Valley in this same amount of time and it's a 100% complete and enjoyable game? Didn't he make that in like 3 years? I feel like that's the case. One guy.I just looked, 4.5 years, one guy, one complete and very well liked game.
This thread and the reaction to b42 is providing me with way more entertainment than b42.
>>1548793Amazing how he always deflects to the same excuse anytime he's met with criticism. I regret ever giving him money
>>1548793is he crying because people a few months ago called his comparison between project zomboid and rimworld retardedi'm not reading all of that
may as well post the rimworld rant
>>1548803Same. I have other things to play so I'm just waitchadding. But it's funny to watch all the malding on steam forums every time they change anything.
>>1548793Why does always fall back to the>Shut up and be grateful we didn't start selling our game as DLCas if he is the only company ever in the history of gaming to release free updates to their game? It's like emotional blackmail or something idk but it's ridiculous.
>>1548814I think he should take a permanent break from social media and hire a CM or something. I don't think he has the fortitude for PR.That's not a criticism. I'd probably have has a mental breakdown already if I were in his position.
>>1548793Holy fucking shit is this for real? He's a literal caricature of a redditor, what in the fuck.
>>1548797You need a wide array of mods to make build 41 bearable. Notice that some of the most popular build 41 mods were stolen by the devs and turned into build 42 features, like throwing corpses out of windows and collecting from texture tiles. So yes, the community is basically developing the game.>attaching flashlight to toolbeltB41 mod, B42 feature>collecting wood and stones from tilesB41 mod, B42 feature>marking which book has been readB41 mod, B42 feature>fuel slide indicatorB41 mod, B42 feature>basementsB41 mod, B42 feature>working masksB41 mod, B42 feature>refillable lightersB41 mod, B42 feature>scrap weaponsB41 mod, B42 featureBut wait, it gets even funnier>plumbing with actual pipesB41 mod, B42 feature that hasn't been implemented>installing windowsB41 mod, B42 feature that hasn't been implementedWe're basically sitting here waiting 3 years for them to implement built 41 mods into the game.
>>1548812lmao Rimworld blows PZ out of the water not just in dev time but pretty much any aspect (actually stable and playable without mods even a long time ago, but also way more mature and stable modding scene)
>>1548826>Notice that some of the most popular build 41 mods were stolen by the devs and turned into build 42 features, like throwing corpses out of windows and collecting from texture tiles. So yes, the community is basically developing the game.To be fair, that's not a bad thing though. However if those QoL additions and the map rework are the main highlights, rather than the crafting system they spent so much time developing, that's rather funny.
>>1548828Yeah it's ridiculous. A weekly then turned biweekly update blog is critically slowing down your development? What the fuck is that cope?
>>1548831I mean, Indie Stone said recently they didn't have a contingency plan for their more important devs calling out sick. Project management is absolutely not their strong suit.
>butcher a roadkill>game spazzes the fuck out
>>1548830It is a bad thing when it takes them three years to release these copied features in a half broken preview beta (who tf knows when stable will release, probably q4 2025) and the official implementation isn't even as good as the mods.
>>1548813>>1548803my niggas
>>1548793Remember when 7d2d released their "1.0" update and got a bunch of shit for it? Doesn't that disprove Lemmy's point?
>>1548812I wish he would spend all that energy into the game, instead of replying. It's almost YandereDev level
>>1548843>You have entered the shadow dimension
>>1548793>Zomboid will take 30 years
>>1548474Anon failed to mention the gas station/diner/car shop is right next to a river, so fishing and infinite water are taken care ofNot that fishing really matters given the amount of livestock for you to breed and butcherPlus you have a shooting range to the west that's packed full with loot, a huge orphanage complex north of town and Brandenburg is not far away which also places you near a mini-mall and a military checkpoint that's also packed with lootEcho Creek is probably the best vanilla spawn in the game right now
>biggest problem with the game was how shallow the skills were; electrical was just to turn on generators, metalworking was too convoluted>Lemmy: we must add glassmaking as an individual skill, exclusively for the crafting of windows and bottles, the better you are at glass making the stronger your bottles will be>Pottery must be a different skill from Masonry, just because you can cut and place stone bricks doesn't mean you know how to make clay bricks>working on wood with a chisel isn't the same as "woodworking". It should be a separate skill about making wood handles which you can't even fully utilize with just carving
>>1548793why are we cursed to have this retard as the lead dev
Map makers deserve a raise. Crafting devs need a replacement.
>>1548914>yeah blow glass that's what we need in our zombie game, glass blowing!
>>1548919>those old twitter commentskek
>>1548793He should have been a writer instead of a game dev.
>5 years after B41 beta>can't make gunpowder and a reloading press for sustainable rounds because mixing poop with fertilizer and burned twigs is too convoluted and escapes the theme of zombie apocalypse survival>glass blowing and pottery update is released
>>1548986At the very least, black powder is awful for any self loading gun because it's too dirty and will quickly corrode the action and barrel. Plus it has trouble cycling, but you still absolutely could make a blockpowder firearm, especially since we have a whole new smithing system.
>>1548995>>dude it would corrode the gun!>it's a fucking video game>it can be made without sulfur, not corroding the gun
did you know you can make infinite ammonia with water + air?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HoWz5KxfkThis is what crafting recipes should have been in-game. Once you're an expert metalworker you can find a book or magazine that teaches you to make a Haber–Bosch pressure reactor so you can shit out infinite gunpowder and bullets.Instead, in-game recipes are random simple items.Putting stuff in a jar is a recipe you need to learn. Your character has to learn how open the jar and put the stuff inside. You play as someone that is literally at a Down's syndrome tier of intelligence.The cook recipes aren't "Make Vinegar by the Barrels" which is actually relevant to survival, it's "make breaded onion rings".
>>1544440This. I've seen it happen too many times.
>>1549028The more I think about this game the more it pisses me off.>The breaded onion ring recipe required baking soda>it is literally optional in real lifeThey can't even make breaded onion rings recipe in Zomboid without it being convoluted and bloated.You cannot make baking soda in game. Meaning all recipes that require it are limited per world generation. They don't think these things through, ever.Nobody is going to be looting baking soda just to make 2 or so cooking recipes, the onion can be cooked as salad or stir-fry, this is so stupid.
>spend time acquiring materials, tools, and skills to craft a weapon>still can't make anything because you don't have the recipeIt has to be contempt, there's no other fucking way
>>1548495I did definitely not have to do that for watches that I found on corpses.
special zombie variants and roaming hordes would save the game
>>1546227Literally the exact opposite is true.RoBrowser was just a client for the emulated rag server.The twitter Ragnarok has it's own server made from scratch.https://x.com/RoDoddler/status/1871197499257766013>This was made between B41 and B42 of project zomboid>it does not use an emulator>all sprites, effects, skills, attributes, were manually placed and coded
>>1549043The worst part is, it's probably significantly worse for all of your nutrition needs than just cooking it in a salad or something.
>>1548986God I hope Br*tain sinks into the ocean like fucking atlantis
>>1548793HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Downed zombies are a nightmare to aim at and hit.Shotguns require precise zombie positioning in order to multi-hit.Pistols only work point-blank.Don't bother with rifles until at least shooting 6.Don't bother leveling the skill without the new skill books found in military places and gun stores.After shooting 8 attachments become much more important than further levels in the skill.Rifles are rarer but military stores often have cartons of ammo; one carton has a total of 12x50=600 rounds in them, more than enough to clear densely populated areas -if- you can level up shooting to 6.Panic and pain make guns completely useless.Reticle is misleading and so are the bullet traces.Shotgun nerfs and the new aiming/reloading skill books make the veteran and police officer mandatory for any gun focused character.tl;dr new aiming system needs a lot of work
>>1548670Feature creep bloat and terrible management.
How do you craft spears now? I keep finding branches but they're just shittier bats that can't be crafted into spears anymore.
>>1549097you need to carve a long stick from a sapling dont ask me where to get saplings I surely don't know
>Spearfishing removedFucking why?Also I love how getting a single scratch on your leg by a chicken prevents you from running. Has Lemmy ever actually been attacked by a chicken? They basically can't get through jeans and even if they did you could still run around.
>>1549099Why can't I just sharpen a branch like I used to?
>>1549100Humans can't bite through leather either.
I find it really funny the stated goal of the crafting update is to make it so you can go from absolutely nothing in a world with zero civilization to steel tools, but you need to read a magazine for any basic primitive tool, like fire hardening a spear.
>>1549101because lemmy is a fucking FAGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
>>1549116You don't just need a magazine.You need a shovel to collect sand and specifically a wheat sack, it can't be any other container other than a wheat sack. You also need to spawn in a location with sand because some large areas in the map have no sand. You'll also need a bucket. It can't be another container, it has to be a bucket. Also advisable to grab a metal tong, a saw, nails, and different types of hammers.
>>1549062fucking why though
>>1549160The original was developed starting in 1999, meant to run on windows 98 and 2000, it's filled with impairing problems, movement and visual bugs that the playerbase just got used to it. It's hard to mod or alter since it was made in its own engine and on top of that you have to run it through an emulator.
>>1549169>that the playerbase just got used to it.yeah I tried the private ro in the general just around the corner and can't play it
A PSA for everyone, the can reinforced weapons are straight upgrades over the baseline weapons. They do a bit more damage and have noticeably more durability than their normal counterpart. They are a bit heavier, and nail weapons do more damage still, but nail weapons remove durability from the weapon, can weapons also give maintenance XP when attacking. Adding a circular saw to a weapon makes it use axe skill, so it can be a useful axe in a pinch.I believe you can get both recipes from the brawler trait at character creation.
>>1549028>Your character has to learn how open the jar and put the stuff insidePlease be a fucking joke
>sleep a few hours during the day because tired>wake up with neck painThree years.
>>1549269Fuck naps just sip some cola.
>>1548914It'd make infinitely more sense for them to channel all the work put into these new crafts into more useful applications for Electrical and Metalworking (and we don't really need Welding to be separate from Metalworking no matter if its more "realistic" that way). Having generators be operable with 3 Electrical is a great change (and almost required given how rare the generator book has become), however there is literally nothing else useful to do with that skill (except hotwiring, which just needs 1 Electrical).
Are zombies way the fuck tougher? I have very minor wounds on one of my arms yet stomping them in the head does more damage than a level 3 skill axe to the head.Or did they just turbo-nerf damage when wounded?
>>1549314Limb damage basically cripples you, even just a scratch. Been that way for a long time.
>>1549323Well that fucking sucks to hear. I could understand a laceration causing that, but a fucking scratch? Fucking Lemmy proving he's never had any real-life experience again.
>>1549314Default setting zombies have random health values now.
>>1549028>>1549240https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhSEXdQHwBE
>>1549330Top jej
>>1549314Default setting zombies can be "tough" which gives them between 240-300+ish HP, compared to a normal zombie's HP range of 150-80ish. Most weapons will deal around 20-30 depending on skill level, and even stomp attacks can only deal up to the high 100 mark.
>>1549435Also, if the zombie has a leather jacket, that's functionally an impenetrable piece of armor. It'll absorb about 75% of your damage if your character hits a body part covered by the coat. On a standing zombie, hit location is entirely random.
>>1549436Is this the realism the devs strive for?
>>1549511There are so many dumb quirks with combat and medical that this game ends up being less realistic than Call of Duty,
>Zombies swarm and obliterate the bodies of people they kill>But 99% of zombies are so intact as to overpower humansExplain this Lemmy you fucking hack. Do the zombies regenerate like fucking salamanders?
>>1549531Tactical guided laser nuke of blazing truth.
>>1549531it's videogame and movie logic, I know it pains your autistic brain that the game doesn't simulate reality on a molecular level but you need to get over it
>>1549569Sorry chud but Zomboid is a REALISTIC experience, this is how you died.Try again without the racism.
boy I sure can't wait to grind glassmaking to level 10, I'm sure the reward will be worth it
New official zomboid art dropped
>>1549590Can you do one for Build 43 with "NPC's"?
>>1549590Pretty sure that's just fan art. The real build 42 art is this
>>1549595best i could do
This might be how you died but this is how i survived
>Niggaz be like "This game is fire yo!">20 minutes of walking around without hitting any zombies
>>1549615what game are you talking about? start of any given run for me:>turn on tv to catch the cook show>rummage through kitchen drawers for any kind of weapon>cook show segment ends>go out and immediately start fighting zombies
>Level 2 maintenance>Can't make crude whetstone>Recipe not learnedWHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN RECIPE NOT LEARNED A WHETSTONE IS JUST A FUCKING ROCKI swear to fucking god, please don't tell me I need to find a fucking crafting magazine to learn this. Please for the love of FUCK tell me I'm doing something wrong and that I don't need to go mailbox hunting for hours to find the recipe for this retarded bullshit
>>1549624Yes, you do anon. Now get to hunting.
>>1549627Nope. Fuck this shit. Does anyone know a mod that removes the stupid fucking crafting magazines? These are the most retarded things I have ever experienced in any fucking game in the planet. I'm gonna have an aneurism if I keep playing this game and learning that *INSERT BASIC THING HERE* needs a fucking crafting magazine.
>>1549605
Full resolution of the new map without the fold marks.https://files.catbox.moe/h0j5np.pngYes I took this from reddit. Yes it's good and should be modded into the in-game map because it's many magnitudes more useful.
>>1549644>reddit makes better maps than the devs themselves
>>1549666do you really think they don't have the clean map before applying the fold effect/filter
>>1549669yes
>>1549669They lost the original image in a burglary or a fire or whatever
>>1549674
>>1549644Why isn't this the in-game map?The default one tells you basically nothing and the map project gives you way the fuck too much infoGive us a happy medium, like in Thief 2
>>1549681Having well drawn maps is unrealistic.
>lvl 4 foraging with cat eyes>locked at minimum radius with a mere -2.75% penaltyThank you for the 3 years of work
>>1549719also, no negative moodles on my screen.
>zombies only care about human brains (that's why they don't attack animals)>zombie bites almost never hit above the neckexplain??
>>1549733I'd rather if you shit on the game for stuff that is caused by developer retardation instead of bringing up classic zombies tropes and acting outraged that it's not realistic
>>1549629Just switch on debug mode. There's an option somewhere to know all recipes, might be character edit or cheats tab
>>1549605>>1549636kek
>>1549735Just installed cheat menu and spawned in the item I needed. Hoped it would restore a bit of condition too, but nope. Just a tiny smidge of sharpness.Fucking useless game. Not playing it anymore until more mods come out to fix all the retardation added this last patch.
>>1549756Sharpness is locked to the condition of the blade itself. So you get completely fucked if the blade loses any condition, since it's a weapon feedback loop. AS lower sharpness means higher chance to lose durability (and more muscle strain)
>>1549763I don't get why there's no way to repair condition on a metal head. Even the most fucked up, bent out of shape axe head can still be molded back into shape with a hammer and then sharpened to give it most of it's edge back. I feel like it would be cooler that way too since you'd only need one of each tool, and you'd grow more attached to them the longer you had them and kept them maintained.Idk why they're allergic to any sort of tool permanence in this game.
>>1549756I feel you. I ended up installing bandits just to keep myself interested. Spent 2 rl days trying to craft shit and just got bored with it. Still can't believe you can't climb ladders in this game. Setup in Muldraugh police station and can't use the ladders to access roof. Forgot basements are still fucked so all my food in the basement rotted cause I can't get power to itI'm glad I only got into this game last year. Can't imagine what it's like for the anons waiting half decades for updates
>>1549767Same reason why they nerfed desensitized in this update. They're terrified of people actually fighting against the zombies.
>>1545100Its a great starter base, but its way too far from anything important, unless you just want to raise animals, then yeah. Its fine I guess. Still no way to get appliances and groceries without driving far as fuck though.
>>1549781What's more, you can't reliably get generator knowledge in Echo Creek. Generator books being rare as hell, and there not being enough electronics to dismantle for 3 Electrical. Also most likely no Electrical skill books.So even if you want to base there you'll need to go on a quest somewhere else first.
lvl 5 foraging, cat eyes, crouching, 5pm, no extra radius relative to lvl 0
>>1549719Cat Eyes don't work with the new lighting system yet. Not sure if that affects foraging.
>make scutch board>"sweet I'll be able to make twine now">realize it requires drying first>look up drying rack recipe>it requires twineSo you need twine if you want to make twine. Amazing.
>catch big ass fish>it is too big to fit into anything besides the back of a pickup/storage van>I cant cut it into fillets because I need a table to cut fish
>>1549911>Cat Eyes don't work with the new lighting system yet.???
>>1549929Most people are probably saying it doesn't work because either the power is out, or it's a new moon so there's zero ambient light for it to amplify. Plus being useless indoors, where it's honestly probably more important.
I think this is the only zomboid general in 4chan, so i'll ask:Is this game worth it?I find very divisive opinions.1. Some say it's the best zombie survival game that exists and can provide endless hours of fun.2. Some say once you set your base area, the game is monotonous/pointless and you don't NEED to go explore or fight zombies anymore, also that the fights are dull.
>>1549980Not worth it, anyone enjoying it is only due to sunk cost fallacy.
>>1549980It's worth buying a key for $5 from G2A that the developer won't see a penny for.
>>1549980The devs are fucking lazy retards who pout and throw tantrums, entitled faggots, and the game is more tedious and boring than ever. If you want to play it, either buy a key so the faggots dont get any money or pirate it.
>>1549980I bought this game like 13 years ago, whenever it came out originally, and have played it on and off ever since, and I still feel kind of burned on the purchase. This may be influenced by the ongoing disasters of mismanagement plaguing the project right from the start, so you might have a better time starting now.
>>1549980just pirate it and try it outnot like buying gives you anything right now considering the unstable has multiplayer disabled because ????
>>1549980Alright for about 5-30 hours until you start seeing the cracks in the game.
>>1550017This is probably the most damning thing about zomboid. The more you understand of the game, the less fun it becomes.
>I made the large drying rack>you cannot use small plants on the large plant drying rack>yes, every single drying rack is for different things>making the small drying rack to make the thing I want requires a hand drill which is a rare find>they specifically require long sticks to make, which only sometimes drop from cutting very large treesI give from build 42. Time to wait another 2 months before the game is barely playable and the lead dev starts to talk about the big B43 update which will flesh out all systems and take years to make which is what B42 was supposed to do.
>>1550035>Rainwater is as toxic as bleach>Except when it goes through rusty pipes then it gets completely purified>Oh wait oops no, now you can't even plumb anymore
>>1549926Big rocks in the wild works as workbench lol
Found a weird bugI Can't place the water dispenserI can only put into some storage and take it out to my inventoryTried getting naked thinking it would be something related to weight limit, but nope
>>1549980I've played a little over 1100 hours and I still wish I could refund it. These lazy fucking devs somehow found a way to make the scam citizen devs seem hardworking.
Another character killed by a downed zombie lunging because of the dogshit targetting on downed zombies.I shouldn't have to be THIS careful near fences.
>Tyres deflate to 0 when you change themHoly shit so now it's proven that Lemmy has never changed a fucking tire as well?What's the point of bragging about the game's realism if it's all bullshit?
>>1550136Always turn zombie-lunging off, it doesn't even make sense for the Romero style zombies anyways. If a crippled Zombie can magically lunge 6 feet, shouldn't standing zombies manage just as much of a lunge?
So what exactly are the 'essential' improvements to default settings?>Infection mortality turned to 'never' so they still exist but aren't 100% lethal>Loot rarity turned to normal>Car rarity turned to normal>Zombies activate house alarms>XP multiplier 4-5x>Book reading 10x fasterWhat else?
>>1550157Personally my minimal essential experience is:>no zombification>zombies activate house alarms (can be annoying as hell but makes sense and creates interesting situations)>XP multiplier increased for at the very least Fitness and Strength, and lately I'm leaning to Electrical too because its such a retarded grind and there is literally no value to Electrical beyond hotwiring and operating a genny>2 hour days (makes for a more chill game, you have time to do most things you need in a day rather than feeling like you have to speedrun constantly)>no respawn/migration (I want to be able to clear areas, and there's still some migration via meta events)>not a vanilla setting, but Common Sense mod for various must have QoL (using crowbars as you'd expect, simplifying various context actions, putting flashlights on belt slot, etc)>since B42: turn off or reduce muscle strain drastically (new default is kinda okay if you're a combat focused build, but if you're not its still too much), reenable disassembling xp (disabled by default for everything except Electrical), set TV show/VHS learning cap to max (default set to 3 now)
>>1550157Respawn off (migration is annoying enough) and zombies trigger house alarms for me.
>>1550157>Infection mortality turned to 'never' so they still exist but aren't 100% lethalwhy?in b41 there is this mod called they know, set to bite only and take a serum if you get bit, if it's too easy then you can set the serum to only delay not cure but it's already pretty rare
>>1550184Oh right, forgot about respawn. Yeah turn that garbage off.>>1550185Talking vanilla, no mods.
>>1550186then bite only
>>1550187Still can 1 hit KO, which is faggy and RNG.Infection mortality 'never' can still kill you and weaken you. It just won't 1 hit KO you from max health.
>>1550157zombie follow sound distance 1000 and sleep events on for a crappy horde system
Does the blood level on your weapon actually affect it? I'm not sure if I gain any benefit from autistically washing my knives.
>>1550212b42 idk but b41 I'm pretty sure it does if you have that fear of blood perk
>playing abiotic factor>get to the zombie levelliterally just make that the whole game
>>1550213>Fear of bloodI hope its just that, god it would be extremely annoying if I had to wash my weapons. Like, at least add a 'wash all weapons' option instead of letting you pick them out 1 by 1.
>>1550216
>>1550061how did you pick it up?
>>1550213>Fear of bloodAbsolute game-breaking trait, makes characters unable to kill any serious amount of zombies without freaking out and uses huge amounts of time and water to counter.Way too many traits ingame are 'spend more time doing useless shit' to the detriment of balance and gameplay.
>>1550229I swear that wasn't an option the last time I tried!!!It was implemented because I complained about it!
>>1550262Should have mentioned that's in B42.
>>1550254A lot of games with traits like this have that same problem, since they're so easy to code. I realized just how bad "Need more food and drink" traits are in games like these, since after a certain point food and water is trivial to come by.
>>1550329Zomboid is sort of retarded because it separates hunger from calories.You can stuff yourself 24/7 with vegetables and waste away like an anorexic somehow, which makes no sense.Which means the 'you get hungrier more often' trait is actually a BONUS because it allows you to survive off of lower calorie foods.
>>1550330It's also making losing weight really annoying. Especially since apparently beating zombies to death doesn't burn that many calories; despite gassing my character out instantly.
Some many amazing rural mansions to set up camp in the new map. I definitely can't complain about the new areas added to the game. Muldraugh is so much better now too.
>>1550061You need to unequip it. Can't place it while it's in your hand.
>>1549980It's definitely got issues. I get bored of single player easy but multiplayer is some of the best fun. I was admin on like a top 10 server for ages but had to step away cause I was sinking too much time into the game. Even with alot of players being cry baby cunts, it was huge fun. Reinstalled to check out B42 but who knows how long til multiplayer is ready.I used to be one of the people waiting for npcs like most people, but I'm pretty sure they'd break the game and be unbalanced as fuck.
>>1550359That was itI hate this game so much
Don't know if this is a bug but the military store in Louisville had 34 (thirty-four) boxes of 5.56 ammo when I looted it. Military checkpoint on the way to LV had 2 m16 and 5 mags for me, plus a few boxes of ammo.I'm fucking set anons.
>>1550488I must have killed 700 zombos and I still haven't seen the inside of the fucking Echo creek gun mall. Is the zombie pop in there as bad as endgame locs like the louiseville mall?
>>1550532It's not as densely packed as LV mall but it's up there.
how the fuck do you multihit with the new shotguns?best I can do is 2 zombies
>>1550540Dualwield Double Barrels
>>1550532yeah its pretty bad. I got around back and as I was taking out the zomboids near the entrance I got swarmed and thought my character was fucked, I managed to bandage all my wounds and heal up though. I did find an m16 and a few mags in a tent outside the spot though.
>>1550540You probably can'tBut try either sawing the barrel or that one shotgun accessory to scatter shots that we used to ignore, since base shotgun used to hit 5 zombies normally.Didn't test it yet, but it really looks like it won't hit more than 3 zombies.Because Lemmy and his crew of retards hate anything closely related to anything fun in their game
>>1550555For some reason, I feel that the zombies can see you somehow even while you're outside. I've been quietly killing a trickle on the east entrance and using the building in front of the shooting range as cover. They still broke through the north and east entrances to flank me.
>>1550556The fucked part about their new aiming system is that it's not even realistic; because bullets will literally disappear after a certain number of tiles. So shotguns are only useable within like 7-8 tiles or something like that, and the shot disappears beyond that point. It's dumb as shit.
>>1549768>Forgot basements are still fucked so all my food in the basement rotted cause I can't get power to itReally, they implemented basements without a way to generator power for them?
>you need a mod to clean rags now at sinksWhat the fuck are they doing?
>>1550632Don't forget that they removed the option to destroy all nearby clothing in B41, did they readd that to B42?
>>1550634You have to open the crafting menu to do it
>>1550642The fact that we have to open that shitty menu to do so many things is also retarded.
>>1550644Dont let lemmy hear you he might have a mental breakdown and delay the next bugfix
>>1550646He always has breakdowns.
>>1550665Maybe one day he'll finally rope.
>>1550667I wonder if there is a company that could even improve this game, I don't trust TIS or anyone else to do it.
>get steam gift card for Christmas>see one of the most popular zombie survival games is on sale>try it, expecting thrilling zombie survival gameplay >instead find myself playing a game in which I have to read books, watch TV and learn how to do plumbing IN GAME despite it literally being the end of the worldRefund.
>>1550668You'll be stuck with B41 and like it.
>>1550707filtered
>>1550707Imagination skill issue.
>>1550707don't listen to the 2 retards, you did good
>>1550668The guys developing Abiotic Factor maybe because it has a lot of similar systems(and even has a zombie level), but I can't think anybody else.
>>1550556Sawing the shotgun allowed me to hit up to 4 zombies but it's still hard to do.The real advantage of shotguns in this build is that you can shoot while moving with nearly no penalty. The pellets will kill the zombie as long as you're pointing at its direction.
>It’s also worth mentioning that in 42, or at least certainly its unstable release, you will not be able to tunnel or break down the external walls of underground structures. This is something it would be healthy for the engine to be able to do (although we’d never have Minecraft-style insta-tunnels in vanilla, clearly) but is probably a can of worms best opened later down the line.meanwhile modders in a single week:
>>1550812Every update just proves how incompetent TIS are.
>>1550812>>1550813>using a mod made by a brony
>>1550884rather a brony than lemmy
>>1550884Still a better coder than shit for brains.
>>1550812Truly TiS is the Bethesda of the indie zombie game genre.
>>1550884Bronies are based and make the best mods
>>1550884Ponies still live rent free in your head lmao
>change zombie distribution to be more "realistic">cabin in bumfuck nowhere has more than muldraugh main roadniggers
>>1551004The density of zombies is way the fuck too high for a game with 1 hit KO's and fucked up combat.The average house in the game must've had a family of 30 or something.
Why can't I put lipstick and fishnet stockings on a sheep if this game is supposed to be realistic?
>>1550884I feel you, but at the same time some of the best modders are somehow the most degenerate trannies and bronies. I don't care as long as I get good quality mods.
>>1551011This is why another one of my standard sandbox settings is to lower the population. I really don't understand how people play with default or higher pops. It makes no fucking sense (on top of being insanely dull to have to clear so much everywhere you go) to have that many zombies in an area, like not even peak tourist season would explain why there's so many goddamn zombies everywhere.
>>1551016This reminds me how even when they implement NPC's, its probably not going to be very good at all. The latest thing I read from them was that they were prioritizing making sandbox NPC's before doing the story NPC's, which I think is the worst thing they could do given the game in question and their track record.Like look at something like Rimworld, designed from the ground up around NPC's and with a much more competent developer, and it still took many years and mods to make it feel immersive and alive. In PZ, outside of heavily scripted NPC's for a story segment, its going to be end up no better than the NPC mods that already exist. The expectation otherwise for an NPC in a world like PZ is so high, and there's absolutely no way these devs can implement that. If they by some miracle deliver B43 with NPC's by 2028, its going to take until 2030 at least for modders to fix it (by essentially creating a Rimworld tier game inside PZ).
NPC's are going to get special bonuses to prevent them from dying in the first week. Expect them to resist the disease (even if you cannot despite being immune lmao), and expect them to have bullshit aiming/damage stats.
>Build 42 is intended to allow a player to survive caveman mode with no technology at all>Except 90% of the recipes are locked behind brochures you only find in housesWhat the fuck was the point when you can't even ooga booga without going into town?
>>1551037The point is its aimed at players who do long runs, 6+ months or years, where they've already looted everything on the map, and now just want to autistically play Sims and make glassware. Which honestly is fair enough except less than 1% of the player base is into that kind of thing.
>>1551059No, they said repeatedly the intention was to make it so a player could spawn in a forest and survive there.Except knapping rocks requires a magazine only found in houses.
>>1551025its okay bro they said they were working on NPCS the entire time and they were basically complete they just have to put the systems together :)oh wait they HAVE to make animal NPCs first, oh wait they HAVE to release the NPCS in 3 stages, oh wait they HAVE to add glassblowing and 3d doors first, oh wait they HAVE to overhaul crafting first, oh wait they HAVE to add moss growing first, oh wait they HAVE to spend 4 years overhauling the engine again for attics
>>1551062I can believe the need for engine/map rework before doing anything else, but yeah, most everything else (especially crafting) is bullshit.
>>1551033>>1551025Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone wants NPCs. This game has terrible combat to begin with, and has been developed as a more or less solo game for the better part of like 13 years. Human NPCs are going to completely fuck up the game.
>>1551079There's fuck-all to do in the game. That's why.The game is designed around characters running around for about 14 ingame days then dying.Skills take way too long to grind and you're going to lose all that progress anyways.
>>1551081>14 ingame days then dying.People die after only two weeks? I guess you do tend to get complacent around that time, and default settings means you die instantly from more or less any injury you take from a zombie.
>>1551086my current b42 playthrough is at day 48 and I'm dying of boredom
don't you just love having to visit every bookstore and library in the state just to knap a fucking flint axe? What they fuck were they thinking?
>>1551102>I, Lemmy, do not know how bashing two stones together works so no one knows. I guess it has something to do with deer antlers?
>>1551094But you can always clean out the Mall, that's hours of content lol
>>1551079I think heavily scripted NPC's would add some life to it. It doesn't have to be many either, and most encounters/stories involving them should end with them dead or fucking off (which fits the theme of the game anyway). On the other hand persistent friendly NPC's that you could have in your base and that could go about their days Rimworld style is just too ambitious a task for these devs.
>>1551108I've had a lot more fun clearing out the military checkpoint at LV, it's absolutely packed with zombies now as it should be
>>1551079well if lemmy is to believed they will rework combat, but seeing how they reworked traits and combat this time around, its going to be shit
Gotta love how shortly after Helldivers 2 almost shot itself in the head with endless nerfs, Zomboid does the same fucking thing.Hey Lemmy you drunk retarded faggot I know you're reading this.Gamers like FUN in their games, and nerfs aren't fun you fucking cretin. Go home and cry yourself to sleep as you think of that simple premise.
>>1550884Imagine if I care what kind of retarded fetish someone else faps to when not fixing the game I play.Every chronically only faggot who cares enough to be part of some indie game community will have some kind of retarded fetich anyway.
>>1551158I wouldn't have believed it before reading his recent blogposts, but for him to get that fired up is indication he has this thread, reddit and twatter all open at all times. Probably scanning the comment sections on any PZ related YT video too.
>>1551108No you can'tBecause now you are muscle strained after 10 zombies (at best)Which will put you into a feedback loop of exhaustion.Let's remember lemmy don't want you killing too many zombies in his zombie killing game.But have you tried making a wood spoon?
>>1551201muscle strain is only an issue in the early game, once you get some levels in your weapon skills it's much more manageable
Can’t play build 42 because my arm muscles strain after moving my mouse for 10 minutes
>>1551204You still can't clear 30+ zombies without getting strained and excausted for that.The time of zombie clearing big places is over
>>1551210guns niggaor simply become forgepilled and make an infinite number of katanas
>>1551212Did you know that firing guns also strain?LMAO
>>1551238yeah, it's pretty dumbbut I don't think it causes the guns to do less damage though, hurting your right hand definitely doesn't at least, just your accuracy gets worse but you can still hit point blank shots with the pistol just fine
>they added a zombie heatmap to the isolated cabin with a well next to Muldraughcheeky cunts
>>1551210You can still zombie clear the big places without issue, with a decent weapon and decent skill. The problem is that it's boring as fuck because you have to call a timeout every 20-30 kills and wait 2-3 in game hours.
>>1551257Were you trying to have fun or something? Fuck you.t. Lemmy
Wait, you can't deconstruct prebuilt objects including doors in police stations anymore? What the fuck is their fucking problem.
>>1551257Kek, no fun allowed
>>1551238true bong moment, has any of the devs even fired a gun before?
>play as a girl>take her pants and gear off whenever I come back to my safehouse>have her walk around barefoot in panties and shirt>become aroused and have to take a break from playing every time
>>1551102"Man these fliers that don't mark the location of what they're advertising are fucking awesome, let's make sure the players can collect them all"
>>1551298actually, the fliers and brochures do get marked on your map if you're playing with the map undiscovered, you can press the map button in the lower right corner of the flier and the location will become visible on the map
>>1551300It doesn't get marked when you read the damn thing?I don't know whether to call myself retarded or the devs retarded. Probably both.
>>1550812engine devs be like>we need 3 years to develop our engine into a accepting negative numbers for vertical coordinates and add dynamic lighting>should we also allow walls and tiles to be altered in every coordinate? Naaaaah, it'll be fine>*game runs using the CPU cores*There needs to be a remake of Zomboid on Godot or any FOSS engine. This is unbearable.
>>1551308>tfw you don't pass the perception check
>>1551311I bet if they laid bare the source code, some hypertranny brony modder would remake the game in Unity or Godot and have B43 ready in 1-2 years.
My favorite part is the part where the only reason they are releasing NPCs in parts is so that modders wont improve whatever shitty basic human NPCs they shit out
So I just learned your character can learn recipes for leveling up, if they don't start with it. You learn the recipe for the crude whetstone at maintenance level 3... even though you only need maint level 1 to craft it,
>>1551311Its probably such a mess that we would have another yanderedev momentCode with 500 lines of if else if
>>1551346they love modders though (only if its tranny clothing mods and not actual important stuff that would fulfill the one thing everyone wants)
>>1551358I bet mods like Common Sense make them seethe the most. Weirdly enough the one mod they didn't pull from for B42.
>>1551312Speaking of this, when I click the map icon it used to center on the area it opens up but at some point it stopped doing that. Did a mod I install break it?
>>1551363Or fucking ladder climbing. They even littered nuMuldraugh with the fucking things.
>>1551059>Which honestly is fair enough except less than 1% of the player base is into that kind of thing.I hate that the crafting update only really benefits those people and that they've wasted years and likely thousands of hours of dev time toward a goal that realistically only they care about.
>>1551370I'm one of those people who really wanted he crafting update; and I fucking despise how they implemented it since it's so dogshit.
>>1551257The well isn't infinite anymore either.
>>1551374>not even the people who wanted it like itI just can't man, how are studios this fucking incompetent. This is AAA levels of enshittification.
>>1551374>cries for new feature for years>cries when it gets implemented because it’s not exactly how they imagined itPeople like you are what has ruined gaming
>>1551378>People like you are what has ruined gamingNot him but I'd have been happy if it'd simply been implemented in a basic, open ended way that mods could fix, since that's about all the hope I have left for this game, I'm unhappy because the retard implemented everything in the dumbest fucking ways possible.
>>1551377It's because, according to them, it took them three years to give us a half baked version of their final vision; but it requires you to dig through a crafting menu for every basic feature (like bulk washing bandages) and everything needs hyper specific tools to craft basic things. And if you don't have the recipe, you either need to grind a skill to level 3, 5 or god forbid 10 to learn the recipe or pray for a super rare crafting book to be able to craft something.Half the features that were supposed to be in build 42 aren't even implemented. Farming simply does not function, the new stealth system does not function, crafting isn't in yet, multiplayer is disabled. The only thing they managed to add is the engine overhaul (which destroyed my game's performance), basements and changing the map.
>>1551398>5 steps back>1 step forwardLemmy if you read this I hope your office gets firebombed by the religion of peace your country is so dutifully importing.
>>1551398But you can pet chickens now
>>1551410And die because one scratched your neck somehow
>>1551410I wouldn't be surprised if someone here says that animals are also broken, and milking a cow gives you a hard crash error or something like that. Or that sheep wool disappears after being sheared.
>>1551398>the new stealth system does not functionqrd?
>>1551398What's mostly annoying to me isn't even the missing recipes or unbalanced crafting (that can be more or less easily fixed), but that after all so many years this is the crafting UI that was supposed to be easier to use and polished. Parts of it (like the fluid transfer thing) look like they just started coding this shit the other week. Its actually somehow even less usable than the old crafting interface.
>>1551465I believe stealth technically "works", its just shit on default settings. There will always be some zombies with better perception, so unless you're stacking all the odds together and going full stealth build and looting at night or during bad weather, its just going to be wasted points compared to herding most of the zombies where you want to loot away a block, coming back, fighting what's left, and then looting.
>90s Kentucky>cigarettes, booze, guns and ammo are rare commoditiesWhat is this bullshit
>>1551468>>1551465not in my experience, I was just fucking around with a character with 10 stealth, 10 lightfooted and still got spotted pretty quick by zombies at night. Even from the sides/behind.
>They've finally added a QoL section to the workshop
1) I can't dry my soaked shoes in the oven this is bad.2) I should now be able to create a white russian this is good.
>>1551535conspicuous trait is still free points because it literally does not matter
where the fuck is this?
>>1551615Thats Muldraugh
im still playing on b41 should I move on?
>>1551533just edit the setting in sandbox.
>>1551642No. Build 42 sucks.
Is there going to be fancy new ui for crafting or is this it?
>>1551642Do you want to disable multiplayer and plumbing?
Shotguns is dogshit now, compared to how they once was.
