>everyone hyped for basements>they finally get added>barely used or talked aboutNot much reason to live in a basement. In fact, nothing but downsides
>>1571973stop making the zombies hot i should not want to have sex with them please stop...
>>1571973Wouldn't a zombie GF be cold and smell awful?
>can make chum with sand>Cannot make chum with soilWhat the fuck? The sand doesn't attract fish, it's what you grind INTO the sand. Soil should work just fine too.
>>1571988that's a good thing
>>1571973>everyone hyped for basementswhy
>>1572038Basements are entirely pointless because of the new interior-lighting system.Any room that doesn't have a window is pitch black during the day.Even with cats eyes trait.
>>1571973>Not much reason to live in a basement. In fact, nothing but downsidesSo why do you live in your mom's?
>>1572038In theory, it's great, surviving the apocalypse as a basement dweller.In practice, it's dogshit both due to the game grid system not allowing nuance, so basements are all dark (no basement windows), and also because Lemmy is a faggot who "don't want to turn the game into Minecraft" and allowing the players to dig to create an underground system, so you're stuck in a deadend below the ground.
>>1572073>and allowing the players to digand not* allowing the players to digSorry for the typo, sleep deprivation is a bitch.
>>1572073That's okay to me. Digging in a basement is lame.
>>1572038I love living underground. Also it's not just basements but tall buildings. Problem is, it's better off living in tall building than underground, as basements that i care about, aka, bunkers, is one-exit only mostly, which make it in death trap. In same time, tall buildings can park hellicopter on top, as well as have several ropes and escape roads. Also, you can break stairs, which not really help in bunkers.
>>1571999You shouldnt even make chum until sand becomes replenishable. You need it to make clay cement.
>>1571973>>everyone hyped for basements>>they finally get added>>barely used or talked about>Not much reason to live in a basement. In fact, nothing but downsidesbecause as neat as they are, they dont really change up the game all that much. its just another base location that goes down instead of up and being in a base blows.
>Burning six million zomboids with only one firebomb? Seems a little unlikely>Zomboid cages filled with eagles and bears? Come on...>The pedal powered zomboid head smashing machine? That'd require over 10 skill, easy
Serious question but why the fuck is Lemmy so buttmad over people using fire, when zombie pop counts are so stupidly high that it's the only way to clear the fuckers?A single town has more zombies than there is bullets on the map.
March Ridge looks like the fucking holocaust and the zombies are STILL coming. What the hell?
>>1572170I just hate how almost every basement I find is lazily bolted on to the outside of the house.
>>1572215the holohoax never happened
>March Ridge bunker is completely devoid of lootTotal Lemmy Death when?
>OMG BASEMENTS WOW!!!!>basements added>no reason to enter them, pointless additionpeople to stop gassing the devs up for shit that doesn't make the game better.
>>1572277>NOOO BUILDING HIGHER THAN 5 FLOORS IS... LE BAD!Kys, it's less about basements and more about having ability to build tall.
>>1572280what does a 5 story building add to the gameplay loop that 2 stories doesnt.
>>1572286more chance to randomly instantly die because of shitty mantling or momentum mechanics
They need to add an option to cut a hole in the floor of basement houses so you can have walled off escape ropes that let you climb up the second floor.
theres already a workshop mod to expand basements and dig, retards.also one that makes generators power up basements connected to the house they're powering
>>1572312If you destroy a basement wall with a sledge and walk "out" you get teleported up stairs/outside.
>>1572297And random pitfalls. I remember going into one house in I think Brandenburg where you just fell down from the second floor for no apparent reason, floor literally missing in one spot.
>>1572334>needing hundred mods to fix the game
>>1572456>nooo you can't use mods to make game more suit your preferences
>>1572286It allows me to make a large tower, and put all the garden gnomes I collected on top.
I have 4x boosted XP values for my custom sandbox and even after killing literal thousands of zombies I'm only up to level 8. Because XP is exponential wouldn't that mean legitimately getting to level 10 would basically require clearing the entire fucking map?What bullshit is this? And this is as a lumberjack that gets boosted axe XP anyways.
>>1572073>yeah let's try to pivot away from anything that resembles one of the most succesful game of all timehe really said this to himself huh
>>1572516Zomboid for some reason has embraced the MMO-tier skillgrind despite having permadeath. Its really stupid especially as more and more skills get added which futher increases how many repetive tasks you need to perform. Why are animal butchering and cooking even seperate skills? Who is going to be like "Oh hell yeah i just got to level 6 butchering, now i can get 5% more meat from the chickens i butcher" Cooking is already a bad skill to invest in, why seperate it futher?
>>1572523Exactly. The problem is that a core part of the game is a kind of "realism". That's fine, that's part of the appeal, however at any time that would interfere with a fun or interesting game mechanic, or would lead to some god awful design decision like balancing Fitness and Strength around either afk'ing watching your character do burpees or playing for 10000 hours, then you need to throw the "realism" out the window.Is it perfectly realistic to dig Minecraft style labyrinths under your houses? Probably not, and it can still be balanced to make it harder (and thus more "realistic"), but to not allow it at all would be a monumental waste of potential.
>basementsDon't forget ladders aren't a thing in vanilla, only modded. So all basements are a walkway and none are a cozy cellar type.
>>1572707Ladders will never be a thing because Lemmy hates the idea of player being able to escape zombies by climbing and living on a roof/basement. Just look at the changes to sheet ropes and farming being impossible on non-ground level while animals get arbitrarily stressed out.
Is this a fucking joke? They're supposed to have come back to work on Monday, the week has ended and they have released 0 hotfixes? What the fuck? Please someone rope Lemmy, this cunt is holding the entire game hostage, 1 month of an entirely broken unplayable build and nothing has been done to fix any of it yet.
>>1572852megafix is coming at the end of the month :)
>>1572852You have no else to play? Nothing else going on in your sad life?
>>15728522 more years, trust the plan
>>1572765I mean, it's not like a horde can follow you to the ladder, stranding you up there or anything...Then again I've never broken anything jumping from a single level so I guess that's a moot point.
>>1573173Well, the solution there is just multiple ladders.
Should I have the calories system on or off?
>>1572852>Please someone rope LemmyMany have tried, but no one yet has had the level 8 lynching skill required to tie a noose
I hopped back on Zomboid after a hiatus of about 6 months to try the update and I think I genuinely dislike it. The new lighting and basements are cool, but my fucking lord are the zombie and loot spawns fucked. I had to do so much modding and change so many settings around to make the game even somewhat enjoyable it was absolutely silly. I went from having a neat modlist of 10-15 mods to having 20-30 just to get shit to work right and restore missing features, like being able to reuse cloth bandages. The whole update's purpose seems to be to just shit on the player with goofy amounts of zombie spawns, terrible loot (that has a 50% chance of going missing!), a brand new strain system thats layered (quite badly) ontop of fatigue and exercise strain, badly implemented crafting systems and barebones farming/animal husbandry. I don't want to fucking play Stardew Valley or partake in pottery classes. I want to play a zombie survival game. Get this shit the fuck out of here. Its so absurdly jarring and just way out there in comparison to what we had before. Whoever decided these changes were a good idea needs to be fucking fired. It feels like the game is forcing me out of urban environments of any sort with the awful zombie spawns and into the fucking woods so I can play caveman.
The most fun things to do in Project Zombocom?>walk around>shove zombies, die, etc.>ignore skills>wait for nothing to happen>close the game
>>1572882>just play something else for 5 years, the devs shouldnt have to work
>>1573346Yes, unironically. Isn't just about anything more fun than staring at a bad game and wishing that it was good?
>>1572635cooking and butchering are separate skills if you want realismrealistically, I want the realism to fuck off as its getting hellish.
>>1573354nice ultra liberalist mindset
>>1573354I bet you took the vax too like a good little goyim.
>>1573278>like being able to reuse cloth bandages. Wait, the bandage disappear now?Holy shit, I fucking called it, Lemmy literally added a "Survivor eat the bottle" autism like 7DTD
>>1573384>>1573390Are you okay anon? I think your mental illness is clouding your ability to read.
>>1573226Oh, because without the nutrition system hunger makes zero fucking sense.>Aww fuck I haven't eaten in 8 hours...Might as well fucking die now
>>1573438People say this game sacrifices fun for realism, but for that to be true it would have to have realism in the first place. I think it sacrifices fun for nothing.
>Build 42 took 3 years>Need to get to build 48 for polishing of game mechanics>18 fucking years until this game is complete, or about 30 total years
>>1573443
>>1573421The only one mentally ill here is you tranny.
>he's literally just making shit up at this point
>Grind metalworking/blacksmithing for ingame weeks>Need to get countless rare and valuable items to do this>Risk life and limb, and have to use up valuable ammo and weapons >All to make an axe>Or just forage on some roads and forests and mass produce crude axes which work just as well, the only downside is they're a little more fragile>But who cares you can make like 10 a day
>>1573441It sacrifices fun for lemmy's warped idea of realism would probably be the most accurate statement.
>>1573460Foraging has always been a powerful skill.
>>1573495It's one of the few skills that is fun to use and feels genuinely balanced.And the stuff respawns every day as well so ultimately you're GOING to forage.But no, lets add fucking pottery skill.
>Zombies are still hyper-situational depending on where you areThe game can go on for fucking months and years, you're telling me zombies seriously don't move about the map much if at all?Why is there about 3000 military zombies in the secret base but even after a year they haven't dispersed into the general public?
>>1573514>Why is there about 3000 military zombies in the secret base but even after a year they haven't dispersed into the general public?1. There aren't 3000 millitary zombies in the secret military bunker, There's about 50 military zombies and 2950 random zombies. 2. The doors of the secret military bunker are closed.
>>1573520In B41 there's literal hundreds of army dudes outside in the woods, no locked doors or anything
>Game has arbitrary weight definitions that make little sense>85+ weight makes you into a fatass overnight, which can be lost the very next day>My character has high fitness and strength, literal Ogryn of a character but apparently 5kg of extra weight is too much, even though they probably have over 10kg more MUSCLES than the usual person.Lemmy can't code for shit, get a real autist like Toady to work on the game.
>>1573514Just walked up to bridge/military checkpoint in Brandenburg and thought of the same thing>surrounding area COMPLETELY devoid of any zombies at all>as soon as you get into the checkpoint its like someone used a zombie brush to just place down hundreds of them inside it
>>1573520I hate this gamey shit, there no way there would be 3k people in it realistically. It's should be 500 at most.
>Every dirt path becomes completely and utterly overgrown in a month, even if you drive cars over it regularlyYou expect me to believe that every hillbilly and bumpkin spends their whole day pulling grass, weeds and shrubs from their driveway (which can be hundreds of meters long???) instead of doing more important shit?Hey Lemmy, plants don't impede cars after a month of growth you retard.
>>1573407Not him, but the bandages don't always disappear; it's likely some sort of bug since it seems to only happen when taking off a clean bandage(?) I've had it happen to me multiple times where I've changed bandages (for roleplay I guess) and the bandage I just replaced vanishes from my inventory.
>Find "Large Smooth Stone"Okay what the fuck do I do with it?>Right click it>Nothing>Open crafting and enter "Large Smooth Stone" for 'required items'>Nothing>Google it>It's only purpose is a fucking stone shelf that still requires concrete for some stupid fucking reason, for a primitive shelfI haven't even found a single bag of concrete, so I'm locked out of a fucking shelf and I've found a worthless giant rock.Why can't I smash it into multiple regular rocks? Or better yet why shouldn't such a rare item be smashable into flint?
>>1573498The funny part is, part of the original goals for this update (Back in like 2021) was to improve the balance between skills. Either way, in my opinion; Build 42 is really highlighting the flaws of the compressed damage numbers and the random chance durability system.A crude axe does .5 to 1.5 damageA steel head hatchet does .7 to 1.5 damageA two handed axe/fireaxe does .8 to 2 damageThe actual numerical difference between the three weapons are negligible. So even if the stone axe is a bit worse, it's still leagues better because you can mass produce them to the point than any "increased durability" from the steel axes is entirely lost.
>>1573498>stuff respawn every dayTell me it's just the nature stuff like berries and stone and such, and i cannot farm things like ammo daying in same location.
>>1573590Either way it's certainly shouldn't respawn daily, weekly basis would be already improvement, in same time, there should be base increase in chance to find loot.
>>157358490% of your kills with weapons is going to be from crits. So damage values can be a little misleading.>>1573590EVERYTHING re-appears daily. But ammo is so rare that you likely won't be able to sustain shooting with foraged ammo.You stumble across a bullet or two here and there a week.
>>1573354don't be fooled, anons ITT are enjoying their anger
>>1573584Actually, to put these into more readable human numbers. A strength 5 character with 0 skill will deal about 30 HP loss to a zombie per swing with a weapon that hits for 1 damage.So a crude stone axe (with 0 skill and 5 strength) does between 15-16 and 47 damage per hit.A hatchet does between 21 and 47 damage per hit.A fireaxe/axe does between 24 and 83 damage per hit.Additionally, during this testing I've found weapon sharpness does two things. First, each time your edge loses 1 point of durability, you lose about 2% crit rate going down to the minimum of 10% depending on your skill and the weapon. Second, it doesn't seem to directly reduce damage; I can only speculate but it seems reduced edge durability instead gives you a malus to your damage rolls instead of directly giving you -x% damage.
>>1573618>90% of your kills with weapons is going to be from critsEh, I feel that's truer in the early game than the later game. In the early game your damage is so low per hit that you need crits to down zombies and kill them with stomps or ground attacks. But by skill level 3 you can deal like 80 damage per swing with a decent weapon like a baseball bat so you can kill zombies really fast even without crits. Though, on the flip side that same bat has like a 50/50 crit rate by that point. I guess it depends more on if you use default settings or not, since "tough" zombies can spawn with upwards of 350 HP; so they can survive even high level crits.
>>1573584>So even if the stone axe is a bit worse, it's still leagues better because you can mass produce themExcept nobody wants to spend all day foraging to craft 5 axes that break within an hour only to repeat the process the next day and the day after.
>>1573631You can easily craft 10 axes a day, which is more than enough to handle any location a regular axe can handle.The alternative is grinding to level 8 blacksmithing which takes way the fuck longer. So go ahead, make steel axes, caveman chads will be wrecking shit in the meantime with their unga bunga axes.
>>1573632Or you can just collect crowbars like normal and demolish 6 gorillion hordes before one breaks.
>>1573634>He's unironically 'team crowbar'Lol lmao.
>>1573268Kek, good one anon. The game is so dead right now, not releasing any hotfix this week when it would have taken 2 days to fix half the bugs and they can just steal the code from mods if they're that lazy is the epitome of incompetence. Lemmy genuinely wants to kill the game and the studio, this unhinged faggot will burn everything to the ground before letting anyone else take the reins, like the jewish writers of GoT at the time.
>>1573634Just wait until you learn that axes arbitrarily do more damage than any other weapon category, because they're the only weapon skill that doesn't get a completely arbitrary -10% damage.
>>1573634Anon, the large stone axe is identical to the wood axe in stats and can be built out of complete garbage. Yeah sure it has 1/3rd the durability of a crowbar but it's a way better weapon and can chop through doors, trees and zombies alike.
>>1573638you niggers truly live in a different realityZomboid players have been dealing with this treatment for 13 years, they don't care if the game's broken, mods already fixed it
>>1573642This level of incompetence and spite is new. They never before left us with nothing for 3 years only to release barely 2 months of work, a build entirely unplayable with how broken it is, and lemmy making schizoid rants against the playerbase twice per week for months on end. Lemmy is trooning out more and more each day, and he's genuinely stopping the game from being fixed out of spite against the players.
>>1573646Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity or incompetence
>>1573649That's a jewish quote to pretend that "oops sorry goyim, if your (((government))) is taking decisions against your interest 100% of the time it's pure cohencidence". And if someone was so stupid or incompetent that they'd be indistinguishable from malice, then they'd deserve to be shot just as much.And let's not kid ourselves, lemmy the fag could just retire with his millions and let anyone else take charge, the fact he doesn't is proof he's an egomaniac cunt bent on destroying the studio.
>>1573651forcing the playerbase to wait for a hotfix is not going to destroy the studio kekyou waited for 3 years like a good little bitch until B42, and you'll be waiting even more after it's done, no reason to seethe the whole timejust stop paying attention to the game until an update comes out, that's the only way to stay sane as a fan of this gameyes, Lemmy is unhinged and petty, TIS is extremely slow and incompetent, we know all that already and there's nothing we can do about it, so take it easy anon
>>1573661Kill yourself lemmy.
>>1573662enjoy the wait goyim
>>1573649Paradox of poor shooter. Let's say target is shaped as criminal behind hostage. Shooter that is awful still gonna hit criminal some times given his shots mostly random. However if he land all his hits in hostage, it's clearly not because he is poor shooter, but because that's his goal.You can't excuse malice with incompetence. Because incompetents still can make good decision by chance, but malicios ones, will always go for worst decisions.
>>1573278I think when B42 is done its gonna be enjoyable, but going forward the game is going to require a lot more tweaking of sandbox settings and QoL mods to be fun. Its really too unstable to play a long game now I think, but when they've done a few more patches and introduced their new occupation system, I'll probably play again. That's probably gonna be 6 months at least though.
>>1573640Crafted axes fall apart after less than 10 zombie kills. Crowbars go through literally thousands of zombies. Congratulations, in your effort to "save time" by killing zombies in 2 swings instead of 3, you ended up spending 10 hours foraging for supplies to craft the axes instead of just grabbing a crowbar and taking care of business.
>>1573651>>>/pol/
>>1573691I get that the game is moving in a direction where they probably want to push you towards crafting even in the early game, but if you're playing on sensible loot settings indeed pretty much nothing could convince me to spend hours upon hours to craft shitty weapons that break after a few kills when I could just go find a claw hammer or a crowbar.If crafting was more fun and rewarding, I could see myself grinding blacksmithing on a long run if it meant I could make a decent alternative to machetes or other long blades, but that's about it.
>>1573700What a jew you have to be to do that
>>1573703The funny thing about blacksmithing weapons is even at the highest levels, they still fall apart like normal ones. Katanas are such a fucking meme.
>>1573703Tack onto this the fact that late game zombies spawn with weapons embedded in them in such frequency (crowbars, hatchets, pipes, etc.) that you don't even need to worry about scavenging for weapons. In my long playthroughs I always end up with multiple crates of spare weapons purely from looting zombies.
>>1573703I don't entirely disagree. The pinnacle weapon of smithing, the longsword, is identical to the machete in damage with less durability and requiring two hands. So you have to grind a 7 levels of smithing and build all this infrastructure to get worse weapons than random machetes found in the world.
Do people actually main crowbars? Lmao I thought that was a meme.
>>1573719You get into level 4+ of long blunt and it's one-shotting most of the time and doesn't break. What's not to like? Also handy to have if you run the mod that lets you use a crowbar for actually crowbarring shit as well
>>1573649>Pay no attention to evil deeds, they are merely done by the stupid>So like...That totally justifies evil! Because you can't possibly hate stupidity right?>Said by evil people>This is the argument made by so called 'genius' IQ jews>Not even reaching a children's level of reasoningGod damn what an insufferable people
>>1573691>Crafted axes fall apart after less than 10 zombie killsThe shitty crude one does, yeah. The 'large' stone axe has 375 average durability compared to the crowbar's abnormally huge 1200, but does way more damage and is also a useful tool because it's sharp.
>>1573707I'm just gonna get a mod that lets me sharpen and maintain a katana (or most any weapon) endlessly. Fucking absurd to think that or any other weapon would be destroyed by durability loss as fast as they are, I'm fucking sick of their durability system in general.
>>1573756Zomboid "Katana" are not actual high quality ones but mall-ninja ones that'll cut a zombie to pieces while absolutely fucking over the blade's integrity.
>>1573750How can you play the game without that mod (Common Sense if someone is wondering), just the prying mechanic and attaching a flashlight to your belt are things that once you try it once you'll start down the path of "why aren't these features vanilla and why is Lemmy such an obstinate faggot?".
>>1573758It's not realistic for crowbars to pry open doors, that's not what crowbars are for.And tying a flashlight to your belt would just make it dangle, not light up the area ahead of you.
>>1573757All katanas are the same weebshit. There's a reason weebs never partake in medieval weapon discussions, because their garbage get BTFO by European steel all the time.
>>1573758I think flashlights should never be mountable. Having to switch between a light source and a weapon makes going into dark places extra exciting. You're robbing yourself of quality gameplay experience by disabling that.
>Americans get told by their government that the water that literally falls from the sky is lethal to drinkDo Americans really? Holy shit what a cucked nation.
>>1573719I use them alot, but i do not play without common-sense mod, so they not weapon but utility.
>>1573757>>1573756Katana in fact is one of best weapons against zombies. They are near useless against proper armor but perfect to cut unarmored peasants, and zombies close to second category.
>>1573859Cutting zombies doesn't kill them. You could hack away and do damage that'd kill a man ten times over and a zombie wouldn't give a shit.Something as simple as a ball-peen hammer to the noggin would be more practical and useful.
>>1573828Fuck off lemmy, there no quality in it. I will use headlight and will crash zeds with pickaxes as my ancestors intended.
>>1573862The average 1993 American wouldn't know how to use a headlight.
>>1573859Neither would a long sword. Any "proper" armor (IE chain, lamellar, gambeson, or plate) basically cannot be cut through and proper plate makes it hard to hurt someone even with something like a pollaxe or hammer.Despite that swords are still ideal for zombies because even hits to completely non-lethal areas like the arms or chest still deal huge structural damage which makes them less threatening.
>1573863
>One of the largest pieces of lore is the photo of a zombie with an arm barely hanging on with sinews, or the arm completely missing>Zombies cannot have physical damage like missing limbs, destroyed jaws, missing eyes, etcWHY?
>20 clay for basic pottery>lord knows how many more for the stuff I need before I can start smelting itemsI give up.Fuck this and everyone involved in the crafting """update""". I'm done.
>>1573873I think I can find one, maybe two clay per day by walking along forest paths and roads.That's still way too fucking long to make a POT.
>>1573873the bare minimum for a full furnace set up is about 8 for a primitive forge and furnace. But you need to at least go into the second tier if you want anything useful, which I believe needs proper cement.
>Official lore is that military created some resurrection substance that accidentally got mixed into a burger chain's special sauce which made zombiesEugh...
Why is the helicopter often regarded as being the 'end game' event that characters will certainly die to, when you can beat it by just walking into the woods for a few hours?...>Oh shit oh fuck my base! My precious base!Get the fuck away from your base if you want zombies to stay away during the helicopter then, retards.
>>1573884>Why is the helicopter often regarded as being the 'end game' event that characters will certainly die tobecause it's pretty much the only random event in the entire game that brings zombies from a big area to your locationyou can also just stay in your safehouse the whole time, if the helicopter doesn't see you then it doesn't follow you around and fucks off after a while, noobs don't know this so they just run out into the streets while bringing every zombie around straight to them
>>1573903When the helicopter flies around randomly I think it can still lead zombies around. Potentially to your base. It's safer to just waddle around in the streets for a few hours, ignoring zombies and leading the helicopter someplace you don't mind zombies being in.The range of the helicopter isn't even that high really, it's like a shotgun blast. Big whoop.
>>1573903This, all you have to do is get some books,food and water, go to the first floor of any building and wait there a couple days to be absolutely sure. Zeds almost never climb up stairs by themselves.
>>1573867Modelling AND animated zombie damage would waste precious dev time :^)
>>1573824Well, yeah, you realize iron was and is extremely scarce on that shitty little island? Why else do you think they got so fucking autistic about their swords?>>1573828Fuck off, lol.>>1573861You're right, but here we're getting into "realism vs fun" territory. Long blades are cool and fun and make a nice sound when you hit zombies and that's really all that matters.
>2025>Zomboid hit registration worse than the already dogshit Build 41Holy shit, Build 43 will have Xcom 2 levels of inaccuracy, won't it?
>>1573578Was it bandage or bandaid? The latter can't be recovered.
>>1573879So Finnegan has nothing to do with it? How gay
>>1573760The average joe in the 90s would not understand that crowbars can't open door and would open them anyway.
>>1573865>Any "proper" armor (IE chain, lamellar, gambeson, or plate) basically cannot be cut throughIt still hurts like a bitch to get hit, even if you wear armor, but it won't cut through you.(not that it applies to zombies)
Been looking at this game for years. Almost bought it since that new update came out but, seeing everyone's reactions, is it still worth it?
>>1573991Not for the new update, not right now. It needs to much tweaking and QoL mods loaded up, half of which will probably break once Lemmy starts releasing patches. Don't get me wrong, its a fun game and the map rework alone is legit great, but come back when B42 is nearing stable.
>>1573991maybe in 5 years, definitely not right now
>>1573973Cloth and actual bandages in my case. Can't say for the other guy.>>1573980Certainly a lot better than getting a hole put in you. But honestly, a lot of people really discount structural damage when talking about killing zombies. It doesn't matter that they don't bleed out or feel pain; if you cut the tendons and ligaments in an arm or destroy half the muscle, the zombie can't use that arm.
>>1573993>>1573996: (Back to 7 Days to Die, I guess.
>>1574000going from 7DTD to Zomboid is like getting constipated after a severe diarrhea
>>1574001For as pants on head retarded as the Fun Pimps are at least their game actually works
>>1573991If you like realism+zombie apocalypse simulator then it's worth it with mods and in sandbox mode.
>no throwing skill>no toilet need>electronics dont need to be taken apart because the wires randomly burnt>no random diseases from being near farm animals for extended periods of time which completely debilitate the player character>corpse smell doesent cause the player character to become locked in an animation for 10 seconds and vomit all over themselves during combat>no panic attacks where the character becomes completely uncontrollable and runs around randomly>no suicidal depression because you sat inside your base crafting for 3 days>no failed crafting eating all your resources>no random injuries from failed crafting>no lighting strikes setting your base on fire or instantly killing your character during a storm>no termites or wood decay causing walls and roofs to collapse everywhere over timeHELLO REALISM????!
>>1574016>>no suicidal depression because you sat inside your base crafting for 3 daysZoomer or gen-alpha. Call it.
>>1574020cabin fever would be dumb in a game like thisyou'd have to pack your bags and go camping every 2 weeks if it was like in The Long Dark where it causes you to be unable to fast forward time when inside a building unless you spend the night outside
>>1574001I have been playing 7 Days to Die since 2014. I have done everything, made everything, killed everything. Unlike Morrowind, it's not so fun ten years on. I need something new. I'll gladly take the Diarrhea over this, as you say, constipation.
>>1574016>no random chance of dying from a brain aneurysm every tick>no random mood swing because of the weather causing your character to get depressed because it's raining or just because they don't feel like it today>no sexual need causing your character to become increasingly frustrated from not having touched another human being, causing you to lose control and fuck a corpse, moaning loudly>no losing control of your character and have them do reckless shit because they're bored>no leg strains from walking more than 5 minutes without having level 10 in Hiking
>>1574028No. Zomboid is the Constipation, 7 days is the diarrhea
>>1571988just like human women
>>1574030Ah.Ten years of endless shitting vs. potentially ten years of no shitting.Hard to decide.
>>1574026I am decided against buying TLD exactly because cabin fever. It's made no sense to me.
>>1574046it's not hard to deal with it, the game's great if you like survival vydia, plus it's beautiful
>Download Feather-like Streaker v1.2 off the workshop>Have to run around like this
for me its B42 Detailed Player Model - Female [Redux]
>>1574016b-b-based, Lemmy hire this man right now
>>1573911>Zeds almost never climb up stairs by themselves.Random zombies now have pinpoint hearing meaning if you so much as take one step they will beeline from 50 tiles away straight to your location, which is upstairs.
>no shit throwing skillI thought we were supposed to be ooga boogas
>>1573636What is the alternative? If I don't find baseball bat, everything else is just inferior or unreliable because it breaks too fast.Im doing a cdda run with brawler trait. Basically used long handles and small axes until I found the crowbar
>>1574419You just use what you can until then, I alway find tons of iron pipes which last a good awhile, a weapon is a weaponsometimes I have to defeat 30 zombies or so with a frying pan.
>>1574148Default zombies becoming random hearing and random health on top of already having respawning is such a giant fucking middle finger to the players. Especially when you realize just how much noise fighting a single zombie makes.
>>1574459Its retarded for new players for sure, Survivor at least should not come with all that shit enabled. Apocalypse fine, but it should be stressed that Survivor is recommended for new players.
>>1574454Exactly. And when I find the crowbar. why should I ever not have it on my first hotkey?
>>1574549Idk I use the common sense mod that lets you crowbar open specific things that you obviously could open IRL but it seems to severly damage crowbars so sometimes I have to switch out to make sure I can open locked doors I really need to get into.but your right eventually you end up with like 4-5 crowbars and a car then the game is a joke
>can't just punch zombies
>>1574563The average person in the 90s wouldn't know how to punch.
>>1574567Thanks god John Punch showed up in 2014 to teach the human species as a whole how to close our hands and swing it toward something we don't like.
>>1574563>all characters cant even punch>all windows break in like 3 seconds from 1 zombie>all doors burst down in 10 seconds>rain doesnt mask noise>all characters dont know how to point and shoot weapons
>>1574563Realistically it shouldn't do anything because zombies don't care about pain. The only optimal move is to push and shove.
>>1574459>>1574148There are some very weird behavior now with zombies that seem to be pinpoit hearing, but they just stop shortly before a corner or a stair. So they wait for you in the turn just to grab when you pass by
>>1574563>not mentioning you can somehow stomp a head in
https://steamdb.info/app/108600/history/https://steamdb.info/app/380870/history/
so are you able to craft sledgehammers now?
>>1574694If they dropped MP right now with B42 still in fucking shambles that would be the death knell for zomboid.
>>1574746Doesn't matter. It's still unstable.
>>1574709yeah sure you just have to be welding 10, blacksmithing 12, knapping 15 and maintenance 19
>rural kentucky>no bicycles>no farm equipment like tractors or combine harvesters
>>1574821>no jars of beef jerky in every homeyeah fuck this lazy game
>>1574878>jars>not vacuum sealed bagsseriously?
>>1573991You need to mod the game, and be prepared to sit down in advanced mode to unfuck the standard settings.
Can you claim safe houses in b42 single player or is that still a multiplayer feature
>>1575103what would be the point of claiming one in single player? the whole point is to stop people from stealing your shit in MP when your out or log off
>>1575107Maybe Lemmy can think of something that would add some realism. Like a new moodle called 'Homesick' where if you spend too much time away you grow weak and depressed. Maybe it can also reduce your strength or something
>>1575118yeah and cause muscle strain toolemmy HIRE THIS MAN
>>1575118Ownership skill, until you reach level 10, your character is constantly stressed out, can't sleep, and is unable to eat
>>1575118I think the game needs a hygiene mechanicSo everyday you wake up, need to brush your teeth and wash your face (do not mistake this for the current "wash yourself" mechanic, this is completely different. Think like the hunger/caloric mechanic)And also sleeping with the same clothes you went outside imediately makes you all the way to -100 hygiene. Btw reaching just -10 hygiene makes your sickness level skyrocket. As well as making your actions slower.At -50 hygiene your character starts making disgusting noises (this works like coughs and sneezes)At -70 hygiene you get 80% speed and strenght reductionI think this is pretty balanced and fair(positite hygiene gives no advantages btw)
>>1573686Genuinely, I don't think so. I don't like the direction the game is currently headed in, where there is a heavy focus on crafting and animal husbandry instead of urban survival and scavenging. In order to get the game to somewhat work like B41 in terms of loot drops I have to crank the loot pretty high, turn off scavenged buildings and hope and pray I get something decent instead of a thousand metal punches or nail files or whatever else they added now.
>>1575164Imagine coming up with a hygiene mechanic and not knowing about hygiene. Brushing your teeth? You might as well add full on dental care. Cavities, gum disease, etc. Washing your face? Skin care and the whole nine yards. Sunscreen, humidity, etc. Sleeping with clothes you went outside with is fine as long as you didn't trudge through dirt and grime therefore it would have to depend on a dirtiness factor applied to clothes. You could even argue that going full wild man, no bathing, plastered in dirt and dust could adapt you back full circle where negative hygiene protects you against the forces of nature. A non-hygienic person isn't something who takes care of themselves daily, but someone aware of how the body works and what it requires to be maintained until the end. Washing your hands before you eat because it could lead to diseases, not standing knee deep in mud because that could lead to disease, and definitely not eating rotten meat.
>>1575178>Being this stinky
>>1574914Yeah, everyone in the south still uses mason jars for canned food stuffs like jellies and jam, as well as homemade alcohol or pre-made meals like stews or beans&rice. They are edible a year later after storage, provide you do store them properly.
>>1575164theres a mod that handles it really well same with using the bathroom
>go inside a warehouse>its nothing but handles, seeds and iron/steel bars
>>1575230Thats another big pet peeve of mine. There isn't shit for loot. Sure in B41 there were assloads of paint, gravel bags and other shit but it all had a purpose. Now its all filled with junk, 70% of which is unusable, and whats left you genuinely don't want.
>>1574709No, you can't. The bucket mauls and similar crafting recipes don't give you the ability to destroy like a sledgehammer, they're just useless weapons.
>>1574709an average professional blacksmith in the 90's wouldnt have the knowledge to forge a slightly bigger than average hammer
>>1575256Actually, I stand corrected; you can forge a sledge hammer head in the advanced forge. This requires you to have an advanced kiln, a hand operated press and a simple furnace at minimum.The hand operated press requires 4 planks and 4 nails, then inside of it you need to use a wooden anvil mold (which requires 2 carpentry, a hack saw and hammer, 4 planks and 1 nail) and 8 clay to create an unfired ceramic anvil mold. You take the anvil mold to the advanced kiln, which requires 20 clay and a masonry trowel to build. Using a log and a fire source you can then fire the mold. To which you then take that to your simple furnace (mason's trowel, 40 stone blocks and 1 bucket of concrete) and use a set of metal tongs (crafting this requires at minimum a primitive forge and needs a hammer, crude wooden tongs, a chisel suitable for metal work, this includes a knapped stone chisel, a heading tool, a unit of coal coke or charcoal and an iron/steel bar half in addition to metal working level 4) 10 units of charcoal and only charcoal, and specifically 16 steel/iron bar halves. From there you can now build your advanced forge. This requires another bucket of cement, 30 stone blocks, a wooden bucket (4 planks, 4 nails, 1 unit of wire, 2 small iron bands, small hammer, hacksaw, hammer, small handle and 2 carpentry), a log and a large bellows; which in order to craft the bellows requires 1 level in carpentry, 2 planks, 2 nails, 2 medium handles and specifically crude medium tanned leather.Once you have your advanced forge built, you can finally forge a sledgehammer head if you have metalworking level 8; using your metal tongs, a metal working punch and metal working chisel, 1 unit of coal coke or charcoal and a pierced iron block; which requires you to forge chunks together after smelting tools down into iron chunks (4 chunks, 1 coke/charcoal, tongs and then a second recipe requiring tongs, 1 coke/charcoal and your punch to pierce it).
>>1574419>What is the alternative? Large Stone Axe. Can be built out of complete trash, but has identical stats to the 1 hit KO'ing wood axe.
>>1575291>Large Stone AxeLeveling up knapping is such a fucking chore
>>1575290After this is done, you simply need a long handle (plank, tree branch or wooden rod along with carving level 3, though if you have the bare minimum you'll need to repair the handle to give the sledgehammer good durability.) a knife and a hammer to assemble the sledgehammer with a recipe requiring maintenance level 1.
>>1575292Just find some flint blocks and make shit out of them. And of course read the magazine.You'll want foraging skills anyways so it works hand in hand.Unless you want to grind fucking Metalworking like anon explained above >>1575290
>>1575298>>1575290Yeah I don't want a job. I will pick a crowbar and smash zombie heads in.
Getting really sick and tired of talmudic logic being used by gamedevs, pisses me off.>Creates environment that festers with criticism because you're incompetent>Y'all can't behave! COMMENTS LOCKED>People bitch about censorship because censorship is always morally wrong>We NEEDED to censor everything because YOU fans are toxic>You fans who fund our lifestyle>You fans who have every right to criticize our work>YOU are the problem, not us who instigated the problems
>>1575299Anon, it isn't a job! You just need to forage for 28 pieces of clay 1 piece at a time, get your hands on 70 stones and then chisel them all together, get yourself like 20 pieces of charcoal, 20 something metal bar halves and watch a bunch of green bars fill up to finally make your sledgehammer. I'm sure it'll only take 50 hours, tops.
>>1575298btw the large stone axe has the slow wood axe animation right?useless for anyone who didn't pick lumberjack
>>1575308>He didn't pick LumberchadCome on now...
>>1575310Most of the time I do.
Zomboid's loot system is fucking dogshit and Lemmy needs to hire somebody who understands the most basic of user experiences and fun.Good example? The fishing items available, they're atrocious.You have a fucking stick with fishing line attached and a fishing rod. Those are your only options.Excuse me? Has this retard never gone fishing before?How it SHOULD be>Multiple tiers of fishing equipment>Handline/Crafted Handline is most readily available, can only be 'cast' a short distance though>Crafted fishing rod (stick with line) is slightly better but still cannot cast far>Fishing Rod/Retrofitted Pole has an actual reel and can be cast decently far>Premium Fishing Rod can be cast the most far>Higher tier fishing equipment reduces line-strain and break-chances, allowing for larger fish to be caught>Higher tier fishing equipment can only be found in fishing shops, camping shops and angler homes>But regular fishing rod is much more common and you shouldn't have issues finding it, handline and other shit is only for unga bunga charactersWow, fishing rebalanced and it took 5 minutes of thought.
Build 42.03 Changelog>burning zombies now cause a harmful gas effect similar to running a generator indoors, increasing in size and effect as more zombies burn>car wheels can now be jammed by zombie viscera and need to be manually cleaned up to be operable again>all animals globally now have a hunger and thirst meters that need to be satisfied in order to stay alive, farm animals will start dying out after about three days in without player intervention>reduced meat amount of all fish to align with butchering ratios of farm animals>all animal produce is now tainted and needs to be boiled in order to be safe for consuption>planting now requires knee pads which will degrade over time, trying to plant without knee protection causes physical injuries and decreases plant health>removed large stone axes from the crafting menu as they proved too difficult go balance>campfires now require 3 logs and 9 large stones to align with the visual design>player character now becomes increasingly bored after eating same food more than once>added buttoning profession and skill>added a "claustrophobia" moodle for when inside basements which causes constant fear and stress>renamed claustrophobic trait to "tiny room fearing">added a "acrophobia" moodle for when at higher than ground floor level which causes constant fear and stress>added spent casings and broken down guns which now sometimes spawn in place of weapons and ammo>stores and warehouses now have a chance to spawn completely looted, increasing in likelyhood the longer the player has survived>all batteries will now slowly discharge on their own>eating without a table or a fork or spoon now makes the player character incredibly unhappy>increased the size of bull balls by 16%
>>1575322Build 42.04 Changelog>Bull balls continue to grow in size unless cow is in pen >Once attained maximum size (500%) bull becomes aggressive and must be milked>Cannot be churned into butter>High protein content
>>1575315DamnFor once Im glad none of people at TIS ever went fishing.Or else we would end up with some abomination like this >>1575290 but for fishing.
>>1575322>>renamed claustrophobic trait to "tiny room fearing"my fucking sides
>>1575327this is how you died
>>1575336My suggestion isn't remotely complicated, it just gives the player more options for multiple playstyles while having common usable loot, while also rewarding players to actually bother hunting down the fancy shit in fishing shops.Right now one of the biggest issues with the loot tables is that nothing 'important' spawns in any particular location. Why go to a fishing shop when you can find an end-tier fishing rod/line pretty quickly by looking in houses?
Imagine arguing about balance. You know the whole point of modding and all the settings is to do it yourself? Devs can't please everyone, much less your own slob ass. You want it? You add it to the perfect sandbox game that this is. If it was some kind of game like Dying Light 2, you would never be able to mod it like this.
>>1575315This is the main reason I really like SCUM, not to mention it's just a better game overall with way better graphics.but they legit do the realism autism right
>>1575358A game is supposed to have a well thought out and implemented level of balance for it's mechanics. You're not supposed to offshore those decisions to the players.Weird god damned jewish mindset "Oy vey just let the customer make their own fun, we'll just sell them more slop!"
>>1575363Zomboid is one of the dumbest fucking games because it is full of 'realism' when it hurts player experiences but magically all the realism is replaced with gamified bullshit when it would benefit the player.>Oops sorry but zombie bites are 100% lethal even though you're resistant to the diseaseOkay fine so can I at least just collect water that falls from the fucking sky?>Yes but it'll be toxic to drink, sorryThat doesn't sound very realistic to me, countless people live off of rain water>Oh and axes become blunt within a day's useUhhh guys, realism? Can we use ladders to escape zombies at at least?>No, ladders are not allowed, it'd be overpoweredIT WOULD BE REALISITC. WHICH IS YOUR INTENTION IF I RECALL!>Oh right, realism! So if you want to build a sledgehammer you're going to need about fifty steps to follow and IRL weeks of grinding
>>1575364It's practically impossible to have "well thought out and implemented level of balance for it's mechanics" when the game is all about having fun the way you want it which it does well. You can make it as easy or as difficult as you want, not just health go up or down, but complete with behaviors and more specific settings. The entire point of a game like this is to "offshore those decisions to the players." If you want blue archive skins in your game, man who am I to judge. It's a zombie game, unrealistic and good survival roleplaying chum.
>>1575375Custom sandbox is an afterthought, not the intended method of playing the game Lemmy. Pay attention to your own game you niggardly hack.Even games with sandboxes are intended to be built around a specific set of variables or the whole package would be nonsensical. You should head back to preddit.
>>1575377Dilate.
>>1575383Projecting? I thought you commie faggots realized that tactic didn't work. I guess not.
>>1575373post realism that doesn't hurt the player experience?
>>1575399>Rainwater is safe to drink>Most running water sources are also clean enough to not kill you (makes you queasy/not feel good though)>Well water also is safe and unlimited>Zombies lose limb control when hit by powerful weapons because no ligaments no movement>Zombies rotting become weaker over time because they weigh less and have less muscles>Player doesn't need to eat eight fucking chickens a day to maintain weight because they're a human and not a BEAR>Most weapons have 10x their current durability>Shrubs, saplings, grass, etc no longer slow vehicles with 400 fucking horsepower to a crawl>Vehicles 10x more durable than they currently are>LADDERS>Zombies can no longer wallhack you >Default character can aim a gun beyond 3 feet>Default character has numerous skill points you can put into areas of your choosing>Characters should be allowed traits without being a drooling retard who cannot read while also being afraid of the outdoors and blood>Claustrophobic shouldn't proc in fucking BEDROOMS or huge kitchens>Character should very quickly become desensitized to their fears after repeated exposure>Cars shouldn't spawn all fucked up and out of fuel with no keys unless it's a crash or something>Buildings shouldn't have a fork, a plastic bag and a hammer as their total loot>Guns and fucking ammo ALL OVER THE PLACE
>ANY fluid transferred to the amphora becomes clean water>even gasolinelollmao even
>>1575429Look, 1993 Knox County people wouldn't know that gasoline in amphora isn't drinkable.
Build 42 kind of reminds me of Bannerlord's release in some ways. Everyone was so hyped for what potential systems were going to be in place and all the improvements that were made and instead we got majority of the features cut out (or just non-functional), arguably worse gameplay and fewer mods to fix overarching issues. Its got one foot in the door for being an upgrade and the rest of its body being an outright downgrade.
>>1573443>"polishing" as a major build feature
>>1575451Oh dear god, oh fuck. Bannerlord's release was KINO tier slop.>Harpoons/throwing spears are more valuable than gold>Executing nobles means you'll slowly run into a world with no armies because breeding isn't a thing>Basically none of the traits/perks work>Throwing weapons insanely overtuned so armies wipe each other out with javelins/axes within seconds>Caravans produce infinite money and are dirt cheap to operate
>>1573443it'll get faster from heremore sales means more cash which means more employees
>>1575461With B41's massive influx of money they basically didn't hire anybody. Instead they spend 3 years poaching modders to make fishing minigames.
>>1575461The "big influx of money" and the "more people" was 3 years ago, anon.3 years. It wasn't last week. B42 is the result of Lemmy having limitless resources for a studio of his size. He has people make an update package for him, then prohibits that package from being updated into the official game, and then idles the team for 2 more years so he can release 3 years of bugs in one day.The fluid system, the farm animals, that was developed 2 years ago if you look at the blogs. All Lemmy is doing is intentionally stopping the game from being developed so he can artificially manufacture the "big update".
Serious question but why the fuck doesn't Lemmy release each 'chunk' of a build once it's developed? Who the hell would complain about the fishing minigame being added in between B41 and B42? Instead the retard drops everything in a buggy fucked up mess, and then takes a two month long holiday.
>>1575456Most of those problems still remain. You can kind of bandaid it with mods that add almost all the missing content from Warband, but it still doesn't feel right. Its extra janky, very ugly and a slog to play after you get over the hump of being poor. Theres no room for RP or player driven storytelling because its all so gamified. It feels like a really bad port of a mobile game.Zomboid feels the same way for the most part. They took a totally wrong turn during development and just fucked everything up with B42. I would have genuinely been fine with nothing changing from B41 other than basements, the lighting and multi-story buildings. Now they ruined the combat, ruined the loot distribution and it feels like they are shitting on players for no reason. It genuinely feels like they took a torch to their own product for no other reason than spite and stupidity.
>>1575483Probably because>do small unfinished update>people complain, file bug reports>near endless bug reports for things that aren't finalized>have to filter through which are real bugs to fix and which aren't>repeat for every small unfinished update
>>1575508That's cope Lemmy, fuck off back to your censored forum.You can release properly finished mechanics one after another.
Lemmy must be absolutely unhinged and detached from reality if he seriously thinks his game has a sensible set of mechanics>Need loot to survive>Loot surrounded by zombies>Therefore zombies must be killed to get loot to surviveShould we either:>Make zombie fighting fun and balanced>Make zombie popcount so fucking high that it's a chore and feels like shitHmmm well if I had the mindset of a liberal faggot who hates humanity...>Make zombie popcount so fucking high that it's a chore and feels like shit
>>1575536>Therefore zombies must be killed to get loot to surviveThis is false though. You can be a pacifist.
>>1575537>Bro just walk around for ingame days to lure zombies around with yelling and horns>That sounds fun right?No, not at all.The fact the game is centered around zombie-killing also means that ultimately the builds that are most important all universally feature traits that help killing zombies. Fitness, strength, weapon skills.Lemmy shoots himself in the foot and then complains to you about how his blood is staining his own carpet.How about you just don't shoot yourself you faggot?
>>1575537NTA but I find pressing Q and slowly walking into the forest with a congo line of zombies behind me isn't really that fun or a sound strategy unless you live out of town and will never go to that forest again lol.
>>1575537But he's right. Even if you lead all the zombies away into a random forest; those zombies are still there and block off that avenue of approach. If you make too much noise or some metaevent happens they'll just path right back into your way again. To say nothing of stealth being entirely non-functional.
>Player character doesn't know how to make a molotovIt's a fucking corked/capped bottle with a flaming rag wrapped around it and thrown like a stick grenade.It's not that hard.
>>1575591you don't stick the rag inside? how was I supposed to know that? is the rag wet with something? it's so much more complicated!
>>1575601I know this is bait, but putting the rag inside means you're probably going to set yourself on fire when you throw it. Lmao.
>>1575456And the fixes were poorly thought out as well, and the perk system is still fucking terrible to this day, with many perks being neutered with Governor perks which make them completely useless to the player and any clan members who isn't a governor (which is most of them since having the wrong culture governor quickly causes rebellion, companions/wives are limited and your own family all belong to the same culture)
>>1575472What niggles me the most is that the "big update" has no fucking reason to exist. The only two things in this update that maybe should've been released together are animals and crafting, but literally everything else could've been released separately (and earlier!) and be totally fine. But no. That won't drum up hype for a shitty, half-baked update.
>>1575632The thing is, a big update when done well, is a huge source of hype, as they found out with B41.B42 is neither, and it's just pissing off everyone, but Lemmy being the massive retard that he is, instead of trying to fix the mess he created and take a step back, have been a passive aggressive faggot who went on vacation out of spite.
>>1575632>>1575637Basically Lemmy was hoping his pajeet-code Build 42 would do the same thing B41 did and have universal praise.Instead even the most normalfag predditors are taking the piss out of it and only literal shills and bots are defending it.You've officially fucked up when 95 IQ smoothbrains are upset.
>>1575451>Everyone was so hyped for what potential systemssure i guess on reddit but even here we called it bull balls because from the onset we realized it was a stupid pointless update and that was before it released broken and unfinished. it was always a shit update made shittier by the fact it released broken.
>Take a stroll through shrubs and shit IRL>Maybe some scratches if you're retarded>Maybe at worst a few small holes in shitty clothes>Denim or anything tough all but immune to shrubs>Take a stroll through shrubs in zomboid>Pissed off trees lacerate your throat and you die despite having a military jacket protecting your neck
So what's the reason for why fuckhuge box vans can only carry about 150 in the back? You can fit about 500kg of people in the back of those things in real life, or more.
>>1575655There are many different kinds of shrubs so this is too vague.
>>1575670Basic bitch shrubs you'd find in the woods.Ones that the character does not identify as harmful in any way.Walking through trees also murderizes you.
Let me get this straight, some autists managed to create a pre-infection scenario that slowly turns into a zombie apocalypse.And they did this using the remnants of NPC code left in the game and some other autist NPC mods. For free.Meanwhile Lemmy can't even fucking figure out the easiest part, the zombies themselves?
>>1575537This anon came from the future In the 2035 release, project zombooid build 62, stealth gameplay finally works as intendedWe should finally stop picking conspicuous as free trait points
>>1575655They should remove wilderness damage until they add elevation in the woods. Going through deep forest is a great way to die.
>>1575715steep*
>>1575715Only if you're bad at directions, go in any direction that isn't a mountain or large river and you'll escape a forest.
>>1575660Please refer to the chart, anon>Feature would help the playerNerfed because balance>Feature would hurt the playerImplemented because realism
>>1575322>>all animals globally now have a hunger and thirst meters that need to be satisfied in order to stay aliveWait, they currently don't?
>>1575404>Rainwater is safe to drinkBullshit, it's should give you chance to get ill if you don't boil it>Most running water sources are also clean enough to not kill you (makes you queasy/not feel good though)Good>Well water also is safe and unlimitedStill have chance of not feeling good if not boiled.>Zombies lose limb control when hit by powerful weapons because no ligaments no movementGood>Zombies rotting become weaker over time because they weigh less and have less musclesAs option in sandbox>Player doesn't need to eat eight fucking chickens a day to maintain weight because they're a human and not a BEARThey need to fix colories. But if player run around and fight all day long he gonna need alot of them still.>Most weapons have 10x their current durabilityx10 too strong, x5 - make sense>Shrubs, saplings, grass, etc no longer slow vehicles with 400 fucking horsepower to a crawlGood>Vehicles 10x more durable than they currently areGood>LADDERSGood>Zombies can no longer wallhack you Perfect>Default character can aim a gun beyond 3 feetGood>Default character has numerous skill points you can put into areas of your choosingGood, available in sandbox right now>Characters should be allowed traits without being a drooling retard who cannot read while also being afraid of the outdoors and bloodGood, available in sandbox right now>Claustrophobic shouldn't proc in fucking BEDROOMS or huge kitchensGoood>Character should very quickly become desensitized to their fears after repeated exposureAvailable with mod right now, good, it's should be either after few months or certain number of zeds killed as in mod, or combined.>Cars shouldn't spawn all fucked up and out of fuel with no keys unless it's a crash or somethingGood, fixable with sandbox>Buildings shouldn't have a fork, a plastic bag and a hammer as their total lootGood, fixable with sandbox>Guns and fucking ammo ALL OVER THE PLACEGood, fixable with sandbox
>>1575747>Bait this obviousBack to preddit please.
>>1575762Nigger
>>1575765DOUBLENIGGER
Reminder that this is the best you can do if you've worked as a Carpenter for several years according to PZOnly a fat deaf illiterate retard with asthma can afford to make a better chair.
>>1575767Let me guess. You NEED more?
>>1575767Well you're not just a carpenter. You're a carpenter in a zombie apocalypse where civilization is in tatters, your only learning resources are books, whatever is on the television and tapes, and you somehow magically get better at carpentry by tearing down other works of carpentry. How could you expect such a carpenter to do any kind of real carpentry?
>>1575776This. It's simply realistic.
Hey guys, having a blast in Build 42 because the new mechanics are awesome. I love them all so much because they add so much to the game.Muscle strain is fun and balanced, and I think TIS made the game more challenging, engaging and fun.
>>1575818>filenameGo back.
>>1575818It'd be pretty cool if they actually added stealth mechanics someday
>>1575828No, I don't think I will.
>>1575839
>>1575818>look up the original reddit post>all top rated posts are roasting the retard or criticizing the systemhuh, didn't expect that from reddit
>>1575851Why does this gif make me feel weird?
>It's realistic that there's no loot because it was already looted when the zombie apocalypse started happening!Okay so where's the loot? Why isn't it on the zombies? The looters would've died and turned into zombies. So where's the special house that has infinite supplies? Where's the countless looter zombies covered in loot?>U-Uhm...Look that' would be unbalanced, right? And You wanted realism, stop being a fucking opulent fatass and quit trying to have your cake and eat it too.
>>1575894>>It's realistic that there's no loot because it was already looted when the zombie apocalypse started happening!Given only 3 days have passed and all happen real quick in epicenter like Maldro, it's not realistic.>>U-Uhm...Look that' would be unbalanced, right? And Balance important but, but realism go first, if something unrealistic harm player, there must be something unrealistic that benefit him as compensation.
>>1575897It's realistic that everything is pre-looted despite there being no broken windows or open doors.It's realistic that no loot is found on zombies or in massive numbers in houses by looters.It's realistic that rain-water is as dangerous as bleach. THESE ARE ALL CONFIRMED FACTS.
>>1575852Muscle strain is an example of peak "extensive playtesting" because even the shills say the best thing about muscle strain is you can ignore it at high strength and weapon skill. Or that it's only as bad because of the fucked up default settings.
>>1575912Even at 9 strength and level 8 axe, you get orange muscle strain (which is a big enough debuff to turn 1 hit KO's into 2 hit KO's or worse) within a couple zombie kills. Gay.
>>1575914Depends on the weapon, orange muscle strain doesn't technically do anything on it's own. But causes pain equal to half it's intensity on each limb. Muscle strain is invisible from 0-5, and orange from 5 to 20. Once muscle strain hits red, you begin suffering additional penalties to swing speed and damage; but the pain inflicted will cause significant damage penalties (33% at 6 pain) long before you ever actually hit the point of muscle strain actually doing anything itself. It's even worse if take breaks in between zombie kills, because the pain you suffer per swing is less than the minimum pain the game wants to inflict on you.
>>1575912>>1575914jesus thats retarded and now traits are gay as fuck to work withwhy did they make smoker and thirsty give barely any points?I just cheat now and give my character free points, wish you could do the same with weapon skill shit is just way too fucking grindy and gay
>>1575451>>1575456Still is too. I was one of those people who thought, well 1-2 years after release surely the game will be on par with Warband. It still isn't even close. None of the major content mods have been remade in Bannerlord, and for good reason (they kept breaking mods for so long).
>>1575917You can change the skill multipliers for every skill. Athletics and Strength at the very least are pretty standard to go 3-5x at least.
It's really easy to tell that Zomboid is one of those hyper-censored communities because every piece of content made about it is some shit-tier normie meme or inside-joke.Seriously there's no fucking discussion on how the game actually plays on any of the communities aside from fucking 4chan the fish basket weaving discussion forum of all places.Same shit with War Thunder. Nobody talks about how the game actually plays, they just post memes and trash.Because anybody who actually cared about the game was banned years ago for breaking some arbitrary rule like "Do not disagree with the unpaid moderation staff"
>>1575944That's kind of the case with any game subreddit though. You get shadowbanned very easily on Reddit as a whole nowadays.
>>1575947It's not just the subreddit though, the forum is completely dead with a handful of people asking to be un-banned.The steam discussions have censored/removed threads and is equally dead.If you looked at the community you'd assume there's only about fifty people tops playing this game.
>>1575949is this your first day on the modern internet?the official forums are a relic of the past, now everyone is on the shitcord
>>1575951>42 thousand online>41997 have server muted>Each user posts roughly 0.001 times a dayD*scord was a fucking mistake.
>>1575899>It's realistic that everything is pre-looted despite there being no broken windows or open doors.No it's not, you retard>It's realistic that no loot is found on zombies or in massive numbers in houses by looters.50-50>It's realistic that rain-water is as dangerous as bleach.No, but you have chance to get sick if you don't boil it tho>THESE ARE ALL CONFIRMED FACTS.Meds.
>>1575965Shut the fuck up Chud. Lemmy knows a little more about zombie apocalypses than you do.Buildings being pre looted makes perfect fucking sense, THERE ARE ZOMBIES RUNNING ABOUT!WHY WOULD THERE NOT BE LOOTING?
>>1575970>loot setting - abundantYeah, it's gaming time.
has everyone forgotten it's a zombie survival game, not a zombie hunting game?
>>1576000>The survival part can be done without interacting with zombiesSo what's the point of the zombies?
>>1576000I am surviving, alright?
>>1576000And killing zombies is an important aspect of surviving them, since living zombies are going to try to kill you.The combat nerf is even stupider when you consider that stealth isn't even properly implemented (and even then, it's not a stealth game, so it'll never be a main thing), that zombie pathing and behaviors are a mess and their distribution a joke.Lemmy is such a fucking retard he basically forced the most boring meta possible because "muh hardcore game".
>>1576029Honestly, even if the stealth system worked as intended. What would be the point of sneaking around all the zombies? Like yeah, you snuck past them and got all the loot; but then what? There's still a few hundred zombies surrounding you, now you gotta sneak back and completely vacate that area forever; or else they'll just eventually make their way to wherever you're holed up.
>>1576035Lemmy in general have a contradictory mindset when it comes to the game>the game must be more grindy than a korean MMO for muh long lasting MP civilization>the game must kill you quickly and punish you for doing literally anything and you can't kill zombies for muh hardcore experienceIt's very telling the retard have no fucking idea what he wants to do with his game
>entire thread is just some anon copypasting shit from reddit or the seething retards replying to each one of his "posts"
>>1576063The level of cope on Reddit is hilariousEven when they're critical of the update, they're so chickenshit about it, they're almost fellating Lemmy after saying "huh actually it's not that good".
>>1576066Not reading his wall of text, what does it say?
>>1576066Lemmy must be paying the people at Indie Stone beaucoup bucks. Seriously if my boss was dragging my reputation through the mud by going online and crying to our community I'd jump ship immediately unless he's giving me enough money to buy a house outright.
>>1576066I'm happy for you or sorry that happened
reminder that a game's community is only as good as the game itself
someone here said tainted water kills plants now, is that true?
>>1576107Tainted water (including river, lake and rainwater) gives plants the 'cursed' tag which kills them all before they mature.Zombies that can cause the 'corpse sickness' debuff also kills plants nearby. Farm animals of any variety including rats and other wildlife also kill plants.Lastly plants that do not get compost will have a 75% chance of dying at farming level 0, and a 33% chance of dying at farming level 10.
>>1576066lmao is that a youtube comment? I'm a legit schizo and even to me this is like "dude how mentally ill are you"
>>1576063Rule 2 - Be Lovely: Be lovely, follow the reddiquette guidelines. Criticism and discussion thereof are welcome but abusive comments are not. Do not engage in personal attacks, even in retribution. Instead of lashing back, report them and move on.>We, the moderators, reserve the right to determine what is or is not "lovely" behavior in the r/ProjectZomboid community.What a fucking tyrannical sounding rule lmao. >We get to decide if you broke a rule or not, for any reason>You fucking goyimTalmudic logic strikes again.
Am i being a schizo or are items just randomly dissapearing in B42? I cant find any of my lighters or matches that i stored in my base
>>1576117Up to 56 days, buildings are looted by nonexistent NPC's, ultimately 50% of buildings/loot is looted from the world.
So who let this unhinged faggot keep control of the company all this time?
>>1576114There's a reason Reddit get the spotlight whenever a shitty dev start acting up: They're user created, so everything is at the whim of the mods, who will delete any valid criticism as "trolling" or "abusive comment", really highlighting just how fucking despotic that place is.Very rarely tho, you'll have the opposite, with a mod so discouraged by the devs bullshit they'll openly criticize them.
>>1576120I don't understand why shitty websites like reddit proclaim 'toxicity' for everything while ignoring the festering toxic positivity in their closets.It's just the usual leftist projection strategy I suppose. >YOU guys are the toxicity Okay can I criticize something?>NO. YOU WILL BE BANNEDYeah okay and I'm the toxic one huh?
>>1576119>Call me a con artist if u want i'll take ur fucjing money and jump out a fucking window
>>1576119>"I'm totally gonna quit this time!" x 10He's too much of a pussy to do it because he knows it'll be a good thing for the game
>>1576126It's basically control freaks hiding under "it's for your own good" so people can't criticize them for censoring arguments>I didn't censor you, you were just being toxic :)Mind you this isn't something new, forums had the same kind of faggots moderating them, but people have noticeably become dulled by social medias/corporations into accepting this sort of shit.
>>1576119This is why once you get to this size of game, you have a fucking community manager. Lemmy needs a CM and probably a personal tard wrangler that just stands besides him and bashes him in the head when he reaches for his phone to read or post on social media. If even a portion of this energy went into development we'd probably have B43 already.
>>1576108>Tainted water (including river, lake and rainwater) gives plants the 'cursed' tag which kills them all before they mature.>rainwaterIs this only for watering your plants from water collectors or does actual rain kill your crops? Either way that's retarded
>make a base in what is basically a 4 tile hallway>as im carrying stuff from one end of the hallway back to my base 5 zombies have spawned inbetween me and my base and started breaking shit
>>1576108>Tainted water (including river, lake and rainwater) gives plants the 'cursed' tag which kills them all before they mature.>Lastly plants that do not get compost will have a 75% chance of dying at farming level 0, and a 33% chance of dying at farming level 10.This is absolute bullshit, and unrealistic as fuck.
>>1576108>Tainted water (including river, lake and rainwater) gives plants the 'cursed' tag which kills them all before they mature.how the fuck hasnt literally all plantlife died at this point?
>>1573873>>1574535>>1575828
>>1575944the discord mod section is unironically not censored but those are also the guys keeping the game alive so I imagine even lemmy isnt dumb enough to piss on the golden goose
>>1576183>>1576177>>1576165I think that guy is fucking with you, but there is a "Cursed" tag for crops in the game that they're supposed to get when you plant them out of season which makes them more likely to die. Apparently farming is even less functional than I thought, because there's a fix on the workshop right now that fixes two major bugs:Not getting any XP for harvesting your own crops, because the game fails to save the ID of the player who planted the crop and plants always having the cursed tag regardless of when you plant them.
has anyone made this weapon yet?I remember being dissapointed in Conan Exiles that it wasn't a weapon but a ritual dagger.has to be a cow or steer right? can't use sheep
>>1576236It's mediocre. It's basically a nightstick that's slightly less durable, it does have 5% more crit rate; but being short blunt holds it back a lot.
>>1576236Its slightly better than nightstick in terms of performance while having less durabilityhavent touched animals yet so i dont know which ones give jawbones
So, I found the twitter of one of TIS devsThat one bug with the infinite spawning chickens that is happening in b42?Known bug from shitty code since 2022https://x.com/rj_pz/status/1504744784522616835
>>1576236I know that bulls and cows give the jawbone after you smash the head.In terms of performance, yeah it's ok, but like everything else, it just breaks too fucking fast to be reliable.Make it if you are using low blunt, because what the fuck else would you do with it? but don't expect it to last
>>1576209>Not getting any XP for harvesting your own crops, because the game fails to save the ID of the player who planted the crop and plants always having the cursed tag regardless of when you plant them.I think the same bug applies to discarding foraged stuff. You obligatory need to pick up what you find to get the full forage xp. in b41 discarding also gave you the xp
>>1576020post modlist so I can judge you
>>1576239>>1576244>>1576248cool cool
>>1576066post the link, so I can copy that wall of text to chat gpt and ask it for a summary in 3 lines
>>1576114>IT'S DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS>>>/pol/
>>1576254I don't remember but it was basically a bit tweaked modlist from PVE PZ server. It turn out decent for last (and only) my run in b41, but gonna change it anyway for B42 when it hit stable.
I wish you could slap your own custom preset settings onto the difficulty menu instead of having to load them through the "sandbox" option. I managed to cobble together a working preset and modlist that makes the game more manageable in terms of loot and zombie spawns. It doesn't fix everything mind you, but it did manage to put some joy back into the game for me.The amount of fiddling I have to do with mods and setting tweaks to get the game even semi-serviceable at this point is genuinely disheartening, especially just to get it back to B41 levels of playability.
>>1576316if its not jews then explain THIS
>>1576329You can save a sandbox preset though (at the bottom of the screen when you're in the sandbox menu).
has anyone figured out how to produce charcoal for crafting?
calling it now>"oops we accidentally released wrong patch teehee">"here's the REAL unstable B42">"see you next month :)"
>>1576236Almost all the bone weapons suck dick because they have tiny durability.And why go through the trouble of collecting bones from rare animals, processing them and all that, when finding a flint nodule and a stick makes you a fucking wood-axe?
This game is never ever getting better lol
>Browsing the workshop>Find two mods that fix the long blade books and specifically carving 2 book>Long blade was configured to work off reloading skill>Carving 2 and only Carving 2 was for carpentryHow the fuck does this happen? How the fuck does the official, multi million dollar company with 12 employees fuck up something modders have been doing for over 6 fucking years?
>>1576808>How the fuck does this happen?TIS doesn't have playtesters, nor do they play their own game.Notice how the zomboid community discovered basically every bug in a day or two? Probably only needing a few ingame hours to find?With proper testing methodologies that'd translate to about 5 minutes of testing.They didn't even bother checking the items they put in the game, ingame, to see if they worked.
>>1576808>How the fuck does this happen?Literally copy paste lines of code to create the book, change the name but forgot to change the effects. TIS devs are some of the most lazy pieces of shit I have ever heard aboutSee >>1576246
>go to sleep ingame>game crashes >start up game again>half the lights in my base are broken and there are like 10 zombies inside despite the entrance being closed and nothing being brokendid i get attacked by the ghost of lemmy?
>>1576877How dare you survive longer than 6 hours
>>1576877This is how you died
>"burning" charcoal is actually just crafting logs into charcoal on a charcoal burning pile>dont even need anything to light it, you just craft it by hand>drums are completely unusable for charcoal now and you cant seem to be able to remove the logs inside them
Zombie speeds are kinda a retarded stat because no matter how slow they are, they become fast shamblers once they're in the 'grabbing' distance.It'd be neat if the retarded slow zombies stayed slow instead of gaining crackhead energy up close.
>Eating burnt food IRL>Throwing up>Shitting bricks>Feeling unwell>Eating burnt food in zomboid>Irreversible and fatal fever of unknown originI thought this game was 'realistic'?
>eat peanuts>hunger sated>other people eat peanuts>irreversible and fatal reaction of unknown originI thought this legume was 'realistic'?
>>1576907>
>>1576963Please understand, Lemmy once ate a stale pizza and shat his guts out for a week, obviously food poisoning is deadly
>>1576968>Every character is deathly allergic to every food but only when burntWhat did anon mean by this?
>>1577059allergic to charcoal.. this is how you died...
>>1577136is that even possible
>>1577165Not for the Jedi.
>>1577165Lemmy once ate a 2kg piece of charcoal which he mistook for a burger and felt really bad afterwards. After that he figured that if that much charcoal hurt a superbeing such as himself, a slightly burnt tomato would kill the usual person.
>>1577165no
You gotta admit, Lemmy has enormous balls letting the game sit in the state it is right now.
>>1577188Well...You know...If he didn't cut em off a while back.
>>1577188>enormous balls
>>1576246>know about a bug for thirty three months>ship it anywaysWhat the actual fuck is happening at TIS? Could Lemmy please just follow up on his threats and sell the studio?
Huh, they added the house from Evil Dead in the game. Neat I guess?
>>1577236Where is that?
>>1577287Follow the road west from Fallas LakeTake the dirt road to the north and take the first left. Go over the bridge and you're at the Evil Dead cabin.
So what will be Lemmy next meltdown and excuses?
>>1577515I think it already happened>>1576066
>>1577233I can only assume they literally did not work for a good portion of those 3 years. That's the only excuse for literally nothing functioning at all.
>>1577555Some anon mentioned a bug that was reported 2 years ago on their blog posts is still active in B42, which would imply they literally haven't touched shit in 2 years.
>>1577564Yeah the chicken bug that the guy I was responding to was baffled about. The twitter post in question was from 2022. It's the only explanation when you look at how some of the new skill books, long blade and carving 2, are keyed to completely different skill.
Have they released another patch yet?
>>1577659Nope. At this point I'm not expecting anything until the 23rd or the 30th. Whenever they make their next Thursdoid.
>Go to tool store>Full of fucking empty propane tanks and WOODEN HANDLESWhat the fuck did they do to the loot tables?
>>1577937In fairness, the propane tanks being empty is just an entirely separate bug that drains consumables super fast. Either way, the answer is the loot tables are completely fucking fucked. Go into a book store and you'll find like 6 shelves with nothing but novels and recreational books, and then 1 shelf with all of 3 skill books.
>>1577941Yeah but how does that explain the store being full of retarded handles?
>>1576066This guy's a bitch.
>>1577944What, you think tool stores in 1993 stocked actual tools?
Why does it feel like way too many skills rely on other skills to function?Something as simple as animal farming feels retarded because you need to RNG stumble across an animal trailer, hope it's not broken, and find a working car, hoping THAT is not broken either. Plus only strong cars can tow stuff now because they fucked with the torque values.So animal husbandry relies on MECHANICS to work properly? What backwards bullshit is this? And if you don't grind mechanics quick enough, every animal on the map starves to death about a month into the game.
Tormrar.
I don't understand, they added glassblowing and pottery.Why isn't the game blowing up again?
>>1577945The hilarious thing is him being delusional enough to say that: "we're well within our rights to call it 1.0 after a decade and sell each update to you as content."As if he'd have a company anymore if he even tried that.
>>1577960Companies get away with much worse.Maybe they should do it if it would motivate them to stop fucking around.
>>1577957It's funni that almost nobody will see the new stuff because it takes tens of hours to grind and the game is designed to kill you long before you have a chance to do anything with it.That's actually a problem with all the skills. The simplest of carpentry projects are locked behind a level that not even a professional carpenter will have at the start of the game.
>>1577960he doesn't do it because people would refuse to buy itsame thing happened to conan exiles they pulled their bullshit garbage map and battlepass + cash shop cosmetics and no one bought anything so they finally axed battlepasses recently because modders do a better job making cosmetics over the actual companysame with zomboid, mods are better than the content they're pushing
>>1577964The problem is that zomboid is unfinished. B41 is not worthy of being called a full game and B42 definitely isn't either. Rimworld and the like can do expansions because the base game is actually good.
>>1577957Jesus I didn't realize it was that dire. Multiplayer will be the real test. I fully expect that this game will not last until b43.
>>1578023I don't know if 25-30k active players is dire. Though frankly I'm not sure how B41 has such a massive following. More than a bunch of better games.Yeah, mods and multiplayer, whatever. But I the core gameplay loop still gets stale really quickly. At least it did for me.
>>1577957They removed multiplayer with this update. Half the reason B41 brought in so many new and returning players was because multiplayer was re-added (again) with it
>>1578174B41 didn't have multiplayer for about a fucking year after release.The wait was so bad that some dude managed to mod-in multiplayer using B40's code which was unstable but worked.Then Lemmy permabanned him for 'hacking' and 'stealing' the game and censored any mentions of the multiplayer mod.
>>1578178So what's he gonna do about the NPCs and Day One mods then? Or is he gonna pretend they don't exist because that's literally the only thing I see people talking about when it comes to build 42.
>>1578179He'll probably let them slide if only because he knows it'd kick the hornet's nest a bit too much if he banned them.But I assure you, he absolutely wants them banned lmao.I got permabanned from the workshop for making a mod that allows all clothing to be repaired/patched.
>>1578180I'm leaning towards that, given how (rightfully) flat the reception was for this. Not a single soul is actually talking about build 42; they're just gushing about the NPC mod.
>>1578159>I don't know if 25-30k active players is direDire in the sense that we're already back to baseline concurrent players even though B42 unstable less than a month ago. The real tell will be when they release MP/stable.
>>1578202It makes sense, given how all the landmark features and claims are unimplemented or don't function and all the same jank and problems persist from the last build. It's a backwards tumble all the way down. Multiplayer will probably "fix" it because I don't think they'll release multiplayer until they've managed to fix all the bugs. At least, unless Lemmy is actually that desperate.
>>1578205I would say I'm not surprised, but I actually am a little bit surprised that the numbers fell off again so fast. I figured the l*mmy dickriders would keep them up a little longer.
>>1578218Well, even the brown nosers can only stomach the game for so long. Especially when all the mods haven't been updated. Playing Vanilla zomboid when half of it doesn't work just sounds awful.
>>1578180You forgot what he did to the last guy who dared make NPCs for the game: Hired him and then have him work on anything BUT NPCs.
>>1578180>I got permabanned from the workshop for making a mod that allows all clothing to be repaired/patched.Is that yours?https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2142622992&searchtext=repair+all+clothes
>>1578282That's not my mod, no. I made a better version that allowed for more clothes to be repaired/upgraded (Boots, head accessories, etc)I got permabanned because apparently you're not allowed to one-up anybody else's mod if they're friends with the devs.
>>1578344post the ban message or face being called pure larp
>>1578349>Implying the retarded commie devs would write "Made a superior version of an existing mod" as the ban message lmao
>>1578350huhcan you upload the mod somewhere
>>1578353I can't upload it to the workshop, but I could upload it anywhere else.This happened over a year ago though, I don't have the files on-hand anymore.All it was, was simple editing of vanilla game files though. It just gave 'cloth', 'denim', 'leather' tags to items lacking them.Which is totally permaban-worthy because some niglet had a similar mod already.
They banned a dude (who dicksucks TIS weekly) for daring to make a single video with criticism lmao.
>>1578355>evidence magically dissapearBipим?(We believe it?)
>Start of the game has been the exact same since the first release of the game 15 years ago or whatever.>You randomly spawn in a random house with nobody else but zombies.>Devs (Probably just Lemmy) has said that it's LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to have the game start any other way.>It would be impossible to simulate that many NPCs, each having routines and doing activities.>There will never be a zomboid where you start pre-infection and watch society collapse>Some guy makes a mod that does that with 42 being out for like two weeks.
>>1578366>Somebody with nothing to gain>Or the retards who've spent 10+ years making bull ballsI wonder which one is more likely to be trustworthy.
>>1578367it's incredibly scuffed but it's still better than i expected desu
>>1578369>4chan doomposters>or lemmy the hackhow about i trust neither until i'm given a full hand of PROOFS
>>1578367That's what I don't get, 15 fucking years and we have self-replicating chicken nanoswarms and zombies still fucking phase through your attacks for no reasonBut some autist modder creates a progessively infected zomboid world mod in his free time? What the hell?>>1578372>This nigger seriously asking for sources on the alaskan hermit crab collecting image board of all placesBack to preddit, triplenigger.
>>1578367>It would be impossible to simulate that many NPCs, each having routines and doing activities.>Some guy makes a mod that does that with 42 being out for like two weeks.He didn't tho. It's random spawns of NPC, with no real activities, with enemy NPC always knowing player location, enemy NPC event outright teleport on top of player just like Cyberpank cops.
>>1578373>trust me bro, please trust me, if you don't your are... are... reddit!
>>1578375>Do you have proofs of this comrade?You banned me you nigger, you deleted the proof lmao>Oh tovarish you are of no proofs? Oh you never went to gulag then! Is of simple logics!You burnt the photos! You executed my alibi! >Then is of never happenCommies get the rope.
>>1578377why the fuck would anyone take your word for it? might as well have never posted your larp
>>1578377>You banned me you nigger, you deleted the proof lmaoLmao, you just show youself as someone who never modded in his life. I switched my comp not so far ago, and i still have all my mods i making for CK2, on my new comp, thanks to flash-drive. If you actually made mod and was using it, as i see no reason to make mod that you yourself not interesting it, it's still would be on you, unless you are literally pull "they stealed my laptop" card.
>>1578378>Gaslighting this hardYeah sorry bro but I don't keep year-old grievances with a shit-tier zombie game around on my hard drive. Too busy with other shit.>>1578379I mod multiple games, but when I was banned from zomboid I pulled all the mods and just play exclusively vanilla now.You predditors need to gaslight better.
>>1578380>I don't keep year-old grievances with a shit-tier zombie game around on my hard drive. Too busy with other shit.yet here you are, shitposting, and talking about something you don't have a grievance for, about a game you don't like
>>1578380>I pulled all the modsOh, you are just melty-scum them, now i feel sad for wasting my time on you.
>Can find shit to make ropes with in the woods>But cannot find shit to make twine with in the woods>But rope is just a bunch of twine braided togetherYou can make twine from hemp dogbane you faggots.
>>1578373>noooo only redditors don't believe shit on a taiwanese basket weaving purgatoryfuck off schizo, tired of your gay constant doomposting daydream larp in this thread
>>1578382>>1578383>Something bad happened to you?>But that obviously upset you?>So now you state your lack of approval and discontent >Heh, then that makes you the problem here chudJudaic thinking at work, truly the work of geniuses.
>>1578385>nigger continues the eternal gaslightingIt's the one fucking tactic leftists have and they still think it works.
>>1576066What Atomic Duck video did he comment this on?
>>1578432https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfHygs1W_yIThis one.Also kek what's with the TIS dickriders ITT?
>>1578373This happens everywhere, you see it a lot with minecraft and their devs too. Modders making the most basic quality of life changes and minecraft devs lose their fucking minds because they get called out for being lazy. Lemmy's just the same, but really why put in the effort when people will accept bare minimum? That's the world we live in now and it's actually fucking encouraged to behave this way too, especially when you've got orbiters who will kiss the ground you walk on no matter what you say or do. You literally can't win other than watching modders put official game devs to shame
>>1578607You can't repair footwear ingame. You know? The thing an entire profession of being a COBBLER is about?God it's so retarded.You can build a fucking advanced medieval furnace out of complete garbage but not repair a pair of army boots.
>>1578610PLEASE don't give Lemmy ideas.
>>1578637>Sorry you don't have at least level 8 in the cobbler skill>So your shoes break in a day and you cannot repair them
>>1578610Army Boots are made from super secret army technology. No one knows how they work.
>>1578642Now that I think about it, it makes sense. Lemmy is a retarded faggot who's probably never owned a nice pair of leather boots in his life.The things are basically indestructible when maintained and all you need to do is re-sole them every once in a while.
>>1578644Re-sole? Nice try chud but no regular person could be able teo do that, maybe with a cobbler profession.
>>1578714>You need to be level 2 cobbler to change shoes with shoes from looted zombies>Grind from 0-2 cobbler consists entirely of just cleaning shoes (you cannot wear them, just clean)>You a towel and 0,5 units of water for each regular shoe/sneaker. 1,0 for boots or bigger rarer shoes.>Level 6 cobbler enables running in boots, otherwise your character will fall and lose weapon/hat/glasses
>>1578767>You a towel and 0,5 units of water for each regular shoe/sneaker. 1,0 for boots or bigger rarer shoes.>Lemmy finds this to be too easy and not challenging enough>Now shoes can only be cleaned if you read a series of 3 magazines that are very rare, and shoes can only be cleaned with shoe polish >Shoe polish is as rare as sledgehammers but can be crafted with level 7 Cobbler using 1/1000 chance foraging ingredients or 150 day length crops
>>1578767>the towel disintegrates after ten uses
What changes do you expect next update?For me, I think>Fixed fish calories fixed to be the same as chicken>Fixed a bug where butter could be made with 10x less milk than it was supposed to>Fixed a bug where crude stone axes had double the durability they were supposed to>Crude stone axes, hammers and blades can only be crafted with recipe now. The recipe comes with a new 8 point trait or rare magazine loot from park ranger spawns>Fixed a bug where push knockdown power was doubled, causing zombies to fall down too easily>Fixed a bug where stones could be equiped and used as weapon
>>1578786>Fixed bug where non-blacksmithed weapons would give maintenance XP
>>1578386Oh, it's you. No surprise there.
>>1578786>Fixed a bug where push knockdown power was doubled, causing zombies to fall down too easilyGood news! Zombies getting knocked over from a push is a function of critical hits. So unless they do a complete rework of the system, all pushes have a minimum of 10% each shove to knock a zombie over.
>>1578786>Sneaking speed halved until level 2>Fixed a bug where unplugging refrigerator ignores electrical skill check
>>1579025>Leaving the oven on can now cause it to randomly burst into flamesoh wait that's already the case
>>1578786>fixed a bug where you could pick up walkie talkies without 10 level in Electricity and Metalworking,a propane torch, a screwdriver, a handsaw, a hammer, a loaded handgun, 3 bananas, 7 priests, a truck while the moon isn't full on a rainy day of July 12th 1793
>>1578786>studio still not sold>Lemmy still in "charge" of the development>fuck you players>long dark of b43
>>1579190I keep hearing about long dark, what the fuck happened
>>1579205The long dark is similarly run by a player hating egomainiac. Though l*mmy has him beat by a long shot in the schizo rant department.
>>1579205after b42 unstable realease, before christmas break, Lemmy said the playerbase should be ready for "the long dark of b43 development" which translates to he's ready to take multiple years without communiting with the players AGAIN until the next patch. Maybe our great grandchildren can play B48.
>>1579278translation: Lemmy wants to take a 6 year break from developement and mask it as "we're totally working on it guys"
Playing with sprinters bad sight and norms - poor hearing. I guess stealth works sort of now.
>>1579321Kek, sounds more like he's planning on abandoning the game and running away with the money but pretending the game is still in development
>>1579427I think it's over either way unless they have a No Man's Sky-like turnaround. The current team doesn't seem to have any vision for the game or the ability to deliver.
>>1576066Wait, that was 6 months ago? I thought this was a rant about the reaction to B42 but this is just about the reaction to the *delays*.I'd hate to be the one to have to tell him about the reception of B42 unstable.
>>1576259Can't you feed gpt images?
>>1579549Not in the free version, I don't think so
>>1575429Just tested this out of curiosity, it seems that the transfer liquid option works fine but if you use the "fill" option the game fails to detect the liquid inside the amphora and defaults to it being clean water.
How do you even fuck up B42's release this badly? They had three fucking years.Nothing works ingame, and even during the day you cannot enter a lot of buildings because it's pitch black inside.
>>1579706They simply didn't work on the update for most of that time. B42 released with bugs they identified over 2 years ago.
>>1579596Classic zomboid quality programming13 fucking years of development.Same fucking bug ridden code as in the begginingLiterally hire 2 fucking competent devs and a project managerHow fucking hard is that
>Still no hotfix since DecemberLemmy fucking hates his audience doesn't he?
>>1579706>even during the day you cannot enter a lot of buildings because it's pitch black inside.What i dont understand is why they made the default option pitch black when there are like 3 options to make the game even darker. While it hasnt happened to me i feel like there is potential for really frustrating moments where you literally get stuck in some room and cant find a way out because you have no flashlight or the one you had ran out of battery. Imagine you are in some massive underground complex exploring and suddenly the power everywhere or just your flashlight goes out and you are just left there completely blind trying to find your way out.
>>1579797All Lemmy had to do was make the default setting along the lines of>Hard to see but can be navigated without cats eyes>Cats eyes makes it a lot easier to see to the point you can fight indoors with easeThen have for custom sandbox>Brighter: brightness indoors is like having cats eyes without needing cats eyes, cats eyes now makes indoors almost as bright as outside>Darker: brightness indoors is pitch black without cats eyes, with cats eyes you can navigate however
>>1579797At least underground it would make sense. Right now an above-ground room with the curtains drawn is pitch black. I'm have hope that they'll fix this though. But I'm not sure how much they understand that pitch darkness isn't actually a very common thing in any room with windows or small openings, even without artificial lights.
>>1579812Even underground it shouldn't be pitch black. If only for gameplay reasons. It is a game and ultimately has to be playable without bullshit.
>>1579812And also nobody builds basements without windows.
>>1579824>Adds basements to the game after creating all the house assets>The basements are crudely retrofitted to existing houses and make no sense>Also means the basements have no windows because they were added after the factGod damn Lemmy can't do anything right.
>>1579827That's not even the problemThe problem is that the light reflection system still fucking fucking suckYou can have a small room with a lampshade. the light from that lampshade should propagate through the whole room, because its so small. but nope, it was in a way that the light barely illuminates the bed next to it
>>1579858Obviously Zomboid needs raytracing, and require a 4090ti to run.
>>1579859It doesn't need real reflective effects. just emulated ones. They just needed to make it a little darker than it was before, not make it all pitch black if you are not directly pointing a flashlight
>>1579863Stop being poor, if you can't run raytracing you should just get a console.
>>1579865retarded faggot
>>1579865>get brand new card, top of the line>can't even 144fps 1080p modern games>cpu bottlenecked when it's at 60% usagei fucking kneel lmao
>>1579873Use framegen and DLSS. I get over 100 frames.
>>1579797Even literal blind mods allow you to see things close to your character to simulate touching around. But your character in B42 can't even tell if it's touching a wall, a fridge or nothing.>>1579788He's actively sabotaging the game, that's the only explanation.>>1579749It's obvious they didn't use the "playtests" to fix a single bug, 9 out of 10 bugs in this build are found within an hour of playing the game normally.>>1579706Didn't do anything because Lemmy is an insane spiteful faggot hiring shills everywhere, including on this board where you get banned by the jannies for "racism".
>>1579892>It's obvious they didn't use the "playtests" to fix a single bug, 9 out of 10 bugs in this build are found within an hour of playing the game normally.It's even worse than that, they haven't touched shit, some of those bugs they were aware of 2 years ago
>>1579997True, but what you describe could theoretically just be incompetence. But the entire "playtest" thing is undeniable proof of lying, lemmy straight up lies to everyone and all thursdoids are worthless as a result. Not a single bug was fixed, even though most of them could be fixed in a single day by 1 person. Everything we hear from this cunt is a lie, he lies like... well I can't say it otherwise the JIDF shills and jannies will ban me :D
>>1580002He lies like a kike? You're allowed to say it.
>Rarer loot is more realistic!>And more-common loot would make the game boringNo, having to conga-line 1000 zombies for a fucking handgun and some chips is boring, you tools.
>>1580003In theory, but last time I said it a janny banned me for 3 days. JIDFjannies really want /pol/ to be a containment board and expressing any non-r*ddit opinion elsewhere gets you a ban easily.
>>1580007All the more reason to ignore the inbred retards.
>>1580005Thank God they rebalanced it by adding in mandatory three hour breaks after ten zombies!
Why are there hundreds of Zombies at the Gun Range / Gun Supply in the middle of nowhere near Echo Creek? World Building is terrible in this game. Not a single zombie on the way there, but then suddenly there are hundreds. (With only 2 cars parked there). I killed like 50 zombies (have sit down every couple of zombies to rest) before driving back home.
cant wait for multiplayer to come back so we can have comfy threads again
>>1580013because their idea of balancing locations with great loot is to flood them with zombies
>>1580013Because B42's zombie placement is just>Is it a location players might enjoy and have fun?>Yes?>Then throw infinity zombies there and remove half the loot anyways lmao
>>1580017It wouldn't even be that bad if they balanced the game around killing hundreds of zombies. But moronically they've decided to make it so you can kill between 6 and 2 dozen, dependent on skill level, before having twiddle your thumbs waiting for strain, pain and exertion to disappear
>>1580020Yeah the issue is the game has huge hordes like a twin-stick shooter.But each zombie individually can 1 hit KO and you can optimistically kill about ten to twenty at a time tops. And that's with good skills and equipment.
>>1580020>>1580022that's not really what the apocalypse preset is about thoughif you want to play as John Rambo and rip and tear through every horde with ease then just alter the sandbox settings to your liking
>>1580023(You)
>>1580024do you want the play the game in a way that is fun to you or not?
>>1580023>Yes the default settings aren't fun>The one thing a video game is supposed to be>So really it's a (you) problem if you're unhappy with the gameOr how about you just make the default setting fun, and let the dick-stomping-lovers change the settings to be more unfair?
>>1580017Pretty muchI don't see why the military base should have a bazillion (non-military) zombies on top of being in buttfuckistan and requiring a flashlight given the obligatory Day of the Dead reference
>>1580026as long as you ignore the existence of sandbox, builder and survivor presets, you will never have fun in this gamelemmy's vision for Apocalypse appears to be to make combat as annoying as possible for the player so they're forced to rely more on stealth and lures, which doesn't work at all because lures are shit and stealth is broken, so it leaves you with an inherently broken playstyle that is just frustrating to play with
>>1580016And to remove the loot in the first place by reducing the quantity and diluting the loot pool with shit items, especially in libraries where 90% of shelves will have 0 skillbooks. And to have literally HALF of the buildings on the map become looted by invisible NPCs with no way to ever recover this loot, it's not moved anywhere, just deleted.I love the theory behind the changes, but the execution is absolute shit and full of lemmy spite against us. If we have a bazillion zeds, then the loot should be plentiful, if we're supposed to live innawoods, then crafting should be intuitive, simple and rewarding. I don't have an issue with hundreds of zeds surrounding gun stores, but we should get mountains of ammo as a reward for clearing those out. Not like guns are op anyway, they still cause muscle strain and degrade, you wouldn't be invincible in Louisville even if you had unlimited ammo.
>>1580025The problem is the game doesn't have room to play like it claims it intends to play as.Combat still sucks on Survivor difficulty because 1hkos and muscle strain are still turned on. To say nothing of the seemingly increased exertion drain for attacks, the targeting also got made buggier and jankier.On apocalypse, stealth is impossible because even after all these years and "Extensive playtesting" visual stealth doesn't exist, zombies will instantly spot you the moment you enter their range regardless of your sneaking skill, traits or light/fog levels. Even low fence blocking is broken at steep angles or on corners. Combat is naturally "Discouraged" because muscle strain is at maximum and it has things like multi-hit turned off. Fucking off and homesteading doesn't work, because zombies can (and will) damage all your buildings and at least 75% of the mechanics related to just fucking off into the woods are either not implemented yet or don't function. To say nothing of there being practically zero threat at all because zombie hordes don't naturally migrate.Sandbox is frankly a setting that exists solely to deflect their bad game design decisions by saying "Well, you can change that/turn it off!". At that point, why am I even bothering with the game if I'm changing 90% of the settings so the game is less tedious and miserable?
>>1580023That's great lemmytard-kun, you just forgot to add the alternative playstyles to combat ("but it's unstable, so don't complain about not having a functional game for the next 5 years"). Stealth does not work at all, none of the announced changes in your lying blogposts are implemented, crafting sucks ass and is full of softlocks.
>>1580029The default is apocalypse, not builder/survivor/sandbox you faggot.Pay attention in class next time nigger.
if project zomboid is so bad then surely someone in the 13 years of its development has made an alternative to it
>>1580031>zombies will instantly spot you the moment you enter their range regardless of your sneaking skillThis one appears to be the most retarded thing if Retanaru is right, and a huge performance issue: why do zeds check 10 000 times per second in front of them? That's what makes traits like conspicuous totally pointless, because zeds do a coin toss to spot you 10k times per second and landing a single time on heads means you're spotted, influencing the coin toss to even be 90/10 instead of 50/50 changes nothing.Just massively reduce the amounts of checks done and that will already vastly improve the game's performance.
>>1580034>"you can't criticize pedos because you haven't built an orphanage yourself"
>>1580034The gaming industry is creatively bankrupt and 99% of gamers are glorified niggercattle. >Bro if it's so bad, how come nobody else has made a niche genre game within a niche topic huh?Because if anybody asked for funding for such a thing, they'd only get it if it was a looter-shooter microtransaction ridden first-party game for consoles.
>>1580030>then crafting should be intuitive, simple and rewarding.Honestly, I don't get how they fucked this one up. Cataclysm:DDA (and Bright Nights by extension) have longer, and more complex recipe lists and requirements for a lot of it's stuff. But it's a million times more intuitive because the tools needed are based on a "Quality" system where tools need a certain quality attached to be suitable for a task. Which means if you need to hammer a nail, your character can use a rock, a hatchet, a proper hammer or even a big chunk of metal you pulled off a random wreck in town. Some recipes require specific items, but you can absolutely have a forge up and running, churning out metal weapons in that game within the first week (like an hour or two) of play if you focus your character around that and within the first month easily if you start from completely nothing.
>Everyone and their grandma says to aim for the head when firing guns>Except this isn't fucking true because standing zombies don't have hit-zones, and as long as the reticule is colored it'll auto aim for you>B42's aiming system is just B41's with a fresh coat of paintKek
>>1580041I vaguely remember that shortly after the new build came out, Lemmy went on Reddit and made some enormous essay about how the new firing system works and said something along the lines of the headshot thing.Though, a lot of that is probably because people realize only shotguns are the only useable firearm (still) and they very uniquely do not aim for you, you have to align the in game model up with a zombie's model in order to count as aiming for them.
I just don't understand why everyone has a meltdown anytime you mention sandbox modelemmy's balancing of Apocalypse is all over the place and doesn't work because most of the game systems are broken and the inherent playstyle it forces you is not fun to play, pretty much everyone is aware of this so why do you still force yourself to play it and get mad at the dumb shit it changes? It would be one thing if Apocalypse was the only playstyle available and you were forced to play it, but that's not the case heremaybe Apocalypse will be fun to play one day when everything in the game works but that's not happening for a while I think
>>1580048Because the 'game' is Apocalypse mode you retard.If Halo CE on normal difficulty was ball-crushingly bothersome and you had to alter .ini files to make it fun, Halo CE would be a shitty video game.Because Zomboid is a shitty video game.
>>1580048i hate the local thread schizo who makes shit up in his head but>I just don't understand why everyone has a meltdown anytime you mention sandbox modedefault settings should be good90% of people will never touch mods or tweak around settingsit is very important to give a solid regular "this is how the developers wanted you to play it" and maybe an extra "this is if you wanted the dev choice but easier/harder" mode because that is what everyone will judge your game fori simply refuse to waste my time fine tweaking shit that i have no idea on how much it requires tweaking or not without trial and error for 300 hours
>>1580053>the local thread schizoWho?
>>1580048Sandbox mode doesn't fix core design issues. Like skill requirements, crafting recipes, how most of those recipes are completely useless dogwater and the dull, uninteresting combat system.
>>1580053>default settings should be goodbuy they aren't, I too would like to live in a reality where the game is good, but it's not>90% of people will never touch mods or tweak around settingsI care about my own experience, not pablo.gonzales.2005's experience>it is very important to give a solid regular "this is how the developers wanted you to play it" and maybe an extra "this is if you wanted the dev choice but easier/harder" mode because that is what everyone will judge your game forI'll play it however I fucking want, the developers gave me the tools to alter my experience to my specific liking and I intend to use it if they are too incompetent to make their own vision for the game fun to play>i simply refuse to waste my time fine tweaking shit that i have no idea on how much it requires tweaking or not without trial and error for 300 hoursoh shut the fuck up, it takes less than 10 minutes to go through all the in game settings, just the bare minimum of upping the XP rate to 5x, disabling infection, giving zombies senses between poor and normal, upping the car and loot spawn rates and removing muscle strain is enough to make Apocalypse 10x more enjoyable
>>1580061Right so if those changes are so trivial and are universally preferred why aren't they the default?
>>1580061too badi will play the game on apocalypsei will call the game shit because of thisand that is the end of itliterally no different than>broo if you install these mods it becomes good it's just three install mod clicks brodo not care
>>1580067>Bro the game is good, promise!>Just subscribe to this 400+ modpack and it's super good>Oh yeah and alter all these settings for the mods, then it's good!>Also only play like this, then it's good>But watch out because if you do this one thing, the game sucks ass, but otherwise it's great!God it's bethesdrones all over again.
>>1580063because lemmy thinks Runescape-tier skill grinding with buggy permadeath is a fun game concept>>1580067do you seriously play zomboid without mods?
>>1580070You should exclusively play zomboid without mods. Mods are for trannies, and trannies are cringe.Play zomboid without mods so you can better learn to hate the developers with more passion.
>>1580070>do you seriously play zomboid without mods?no i'm not THAT mentally illi'm just pointing out that the game should be half-playable without mods, mods should be modifications rather than core necessitiescurrently not playing at all because half of the mods i want are not updated
IT'S UPhttps://youtu.be/L-DIPhtJjTA?si=7e-413AGMBN5jnVf
>>1580086How do you possibly fuck up an isometric melee game's hit detection so badly? There isn't even combo moves or weird movement. Everything moves really slowly and everything only has one method of attack.It should've been refined to perfection in Build 41.
>>1580086anyone who wants to punch a hole in lemmys ego should post this in reddit without being a sperg about it
>>1580105I want to punch a hole in Lemmy
>>1580100It's not a bug, it's a feature. Seriously, it has to be intentional sabotage, there is no other explanation for the hundreds of bugs, some game-breaking, and not a single one being fixed, it's been an entire month and we still have 0 hotfixes or even bug acknowledgement. Only sabotage can explain things like discarding items in foraging mode not giving xp when it wasn't touched upon at all, or ridiculously specific attacks against the players like tearing clothes taking 10 times longer or keys having weight. >>1580105You'd get banned instantly. One youtuber got banned for daring to mention the AI thing, even though he was dickriding TIS the entire video, just mentioning their issues earns you a permaban with those fags.
>>1580112why would it be sabotage anon, they were doing a code rewrite for the past 3 years, that's why literally everything is broken, they're just incompetent
>>1580112>You'd get banned instantly.nice larp nigger the stealth video didn't get the poster banned so why would this
>>1580113Because modders have already fixed most of the bugs, with most being just one line of code. Fucking hell, even skill books are bugged because they point to the wrong place, you literally just replace "aiming" with "long_blade" and that's it, bug fixed.Actual developers who are all alone easily put out 1 patch every day to fix those small bugs on games like Elin or Stardew Valley. And here we are with an entire month of 0 real hotfixes. There has barely been any code rewrite, and the bugs have generally nothing to do with it. Lemmy just hates us and is trying to destroy the game on purpose, it's ridiculously retarded to pretend that the entire studio suddenly became a bunch of 30 IQ niggers overnight and are just "incompetent" who can't do 1% of what they used to do. >>1580115>"larp"I got banned for calling a shill a shill over there, but sure. Kill yourself pajeet shill, and tell your tranny boss lemmy to sell the game to chinks, they'll do a better job.
>>1580115How the hell is he live action roleplaying lmao?Do you just use zoomie lingo or something?You could say he's exaggerating or making hyperbole. Not larping though.
of course it's the fucking schizo that replies to me
>>1580123>Take your medsWow holy shit that anon wasn't lying, you really are a pajeet shill sent here to divide and conquer.Everybody else here is in agreement but (you)Why would that be?
>>1580121>it's ridiculously retarded to pretend that the entire studio suddenly became a bunch of 30 IQ niggers overnight and are just "incompetent" who can't do 1% of what they used to do.bruh they were always like this, I guess you haven't been here when B41 MP was about to come and they backpedalled literally days before the supposed release to delay it for the next 6 months?
>>1580122They're jeet shills hired by lemmy, they barely speak English and use shitty AIs and pre-recorded lines. Normies will call it schizo, but it's a fact that jeet shills cost absolutely nothing, anyone can hire them to shit up any place on the internet.And on r*ddit it's extremely effective because of the updoot system. If you get 10 shills to downvoot someone, real users will be overwhelmingly likely to continue because of the trend without thinking.>>1580129Multiplayer code is always a messy affair, ConcernedApe made all of Stardew himself but hired a company to do the networking code as it was way beyond his skills. But bugs that I personally could fix in 10 seconds, that is inexcusable. TIS has always had issues, but what we have seen in the last couple years cannot be incompetent, it has to be malice or the devs would be too dumb to even breathe.
>>1580131lemmy also eats babies btw
>>1580131Is that why a bunch of them tried to gaslight some anon ITT who allegedly got banned for making a mod that was similar to an existing one?
>he still hasn't uploaded his mod that got him banned from the workshopkeep backpedaling you lying faggot
>>1580137Most likely. It really costs nothing to hire shills, and TIS made dozens of millions of dollars in sales, they are filthy rich. Their shills are really bad though since they're so cheap, one was such picrel that he kept saying that I had to "source" the very fact that they got millions in sales.As another anon pointed out, it's also quite revealing how censored the r*ddit is because no one is talking about the game's design or balance, only shitty normie memes and inside jokes. All discussion about the state of the game is forbidden. Censorship + shills to get the ball rolling is all you need to push any agenda on r*ddit.
>>1580140>All discussion about the state of the game is forbidden. Censorship + shills to get the ball rolling is all you need to push any agenda on r*ddit.so it's just a regular fanboy echo chamber subredditreddit was never a beacon of free speech anon
>>1580139Silence jeet. Go find a street to shit on.
>>1580143Fanboying has its limits, go to any youtube comment section and it doesn't look anything like r*dit bar some lost shills. All fanboys have a breaking point, and they'll still talk about the game like experienced players, if you want those kinds of annoying but real players, go to the Klei forums for example.But those newbie-larping/never discussing about the game/normie memes spammer accounts aren't real people, they're shills.
I'm just waiting until you start talking about Mossad's involvement in the development, these schizo outbreaks are quite humorous
>D&C jeet-fags ITT right nowHoly shit schizo anon was right.
>>1580155>schizo anon was right.As always
Why is this thread even on /vm/? B42 has no multiplayer (and will not probably for multiple years) and there's nobody running a B41 server?
>>1580158and where else is this thread supposed to go?>can't have generals on /v/>need to bump the thread every 10 minutes on /vg/>game isn't a strategy, RPG a retro game or on mobile so /vrpg/, /vst/, /vr/ and /vmg/ are no-gounless you're willing to go on a 24/7 bump duty on /vg/, we're staying here
>>1580048because sandbox still doesnt change core settings like shitty stealth combat lack of interesting world events and no mid late game
>>1580160>>need to bump the thread every 10 minutes on /vg/No? /vg/ page 10 falloff got tweaked 3 years ago to allow literal snail tier shit to survive on it.The melty blood general on /vg/ has 361 posts over 14 days.This thread has 544 posts over 5 days.
>>1580158>Why is the multiplayer game on /vm/I wonder why.
>>1580168Take your meds.
>>1580169>He said the line againLike clockwork, they really do operate like bots.
>>1580158i really wish they'd stop doing the dumb disable multiplayer shiti know the servers here don't last long because everyone gets into little autistic drama fueled fits but there's always a fun experience to be had fucking around with anons
>>1580174The disabled MP only happened so far with B41, didn't it?The reason of course being to.*Checks notes*Stop hackers? They tried making it exclusively server-side, spent like 2-3 years. Then ended up on a client-based system that allows for hackers anyways.Fucking retards...
>>1580174>i know the servers here don't last long because everyone gets into little autistic drama fueled fitsthat and most people get bored after a few weeks unless the janny bends over backwards and does custom events to keep the autistic troupe from getting bored to death
>>1580175the fuck was the excuse this time even, "unstable"?
>>1580177look at the the current state of the game anon, do you really think playing MP would be a good idea right now?
>>1580177I am guessing sync issues with the fluid transfer system and the fixed zombies-inside-buildings issue causing cuntloads of lag for MP servers.Seriously in B41 multiplayer you could do a 360 and despawn hundreds of zombies because they get auto-culled to stop it from crashing.
>>1580180>fluid transfer systemThat alone forbids TIS and its defenders from ever calling anyone autistic, that shit is the most useless and autistic "feature" I've ever seen, no one ever asked for it and it's utterly pointless. "Reeee you can add water to bleach to make it last longer!", great that's 3 years well spent, not like you could have just multiplied bleach's durability by 10 in 5 seconds and called it a day... And to think lemmy masturbated to this for years on every blog post, when it has 0 practical uses.
>>1580179it would be very funny and cause a lot of people to laugh at the incompetence and bugged systems, so yes, it would be great.
>>1580185aren't we doing that right now?
>>1580183Just what I wanted to do when cleaning shit ingame, using 10x the mouseclicks and having to navigate more menus.
>fluid transfer systemstupidest part is you cant even mix water and gasolinewhat's the point of a huge system like that if you cant do basic shit like ruining someone's fuel
wow cant believe we waited 3 years for a shitty half baked update>the update is not even out, its opt-in because its unstable!!! dont be spoiled!!oh so that means we will go 4+ years with no update so fluid mixing can be added?>nooooo b42 is out right now!!! you can play it!!!oh so we did wait 3 years for a shitty half baked update>NOOO ITS OPT-IN
>>1580183Conceptually, it opens the door to SS13 style chemistry. Where you can mix x parts of one fluid and y parts of another fluid to get z units of a completely different, useful fluid. Which has some value; but I don't trust Indie Stone to actually go anywhere with it, much less implement it in a satisfying manner.
>>1580194odds are it's going to be completely un-utilized outside of roleplaying servers letting you play a bartender or some shit
>>1580194Nice for a game that has autistic chemistry, but what the fuck would be the point in Zomboid? How would anyone use that to their advantage in a regular playthrough, in a way that even remotely justifies propping this shit up as one of the most important features of the build as the blogposts did?Nothing we need is complex, bleach to clean, alcohol to be happy, milk for butter, water to drink, gasoline for cars... The game was never intended so you'd become Walter White.>>1580197This, I do not give a single shit about being able to make some milk-water-soda-beer cocktail.
>>1580197Exactly what I'm thinking.
>>1580197yeah, modders have already given it a purposehttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3405131820&searchtext=
>>1580198>but what the fuck would be the point in ZomboidAt the absolute bare minimum, it allows for infinitely granularity of "crafting" ingredients. Using the alcohol example still, instead of a Screwdriver needing specifically a quarter liter of vodka and a half liter of orange juice. You can make it with 1 liter vodka and 2 liters of OJ at once, or .1 liters vodka and .2 liters OJ and the code doesn't need to additionally account for every possible combination of volume you could potentially have one hand and also needs less clicks for bulk crafting of such liquids.
>>1580194That's not how it works ingame though, nothing 'mixes' it merely stacks on top of each other.A 1L bottle with 500ml of water and 500ml of vodka isn't 1L of 'vodka-water mix' but simply a bottle containing both, and is drunk at the same time to make an illusion of mixing.A little nitpicky but it doesn't allow for reactions or mixtures of any scientific kind.
>>1580205Gotta refer you to>This, I do not give a single shit about being able to make some milk-water-soda-beer cocktail.It's all fucking alcohol, you drink it to satiate thirst or make your character happier, what the fuck do cocktails add to the game? Why is larping as a bartender the single most important feature developed in the last 2 years according to lemmy?Granularity for smelting things for forging maybe? But it all seems way too complicated for the hypotheticals we can make, not to mention this shit broke every right-click in the game and boiling water is completely broken right now.>>1580209Even more useless
>>1580183https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/07/liquid-zedball/
>>1580209I'm aware, I'm only saying it opens the door to such things as >>1580200 pointed out. Within 2 weeks a random modder did exactly what I described (albeit exclusively with alcohol), and for some reason Indie Stone didn't do such a thing despite working on it for THREE YEARS.>>1580210I only used alcohol as a basic example, but such a thing can be extended to anything that begins it's life as a fluid. Whether that be limewater for tanning leathers, molten alloys for smithing or even homemade pain killers, Indie Stone is just too incompetent to fully realize that potential. They talk about it in a thursdoid like >>1580211 brought up. But did literally nothing with it.
>>1580211>mixing paints to create different coloursyou know this is an actually reasonable reasonlet me guess, it does not work in game
>>1580216they showed mixing hair dyes in the 'doids but I haven't tried it in game
>>1580211All of that is so "niche" in all the wrong ways. It reeks of midwits trying to larp as autists.>>1580215Makes sense in theory, but again it doesn't sound convincing to my ears at all. I don't believe that it will have any real use in game that justifies anywhere near the importance given to it. And expecting good granularity for forging from the same studio that after 3 years released a build where the basic stone knife requires 5 in maintenance to be crafted... Yeah this is going to go down in history as one of the most retarded decisions in all of video games.>>1580216>>1580218And now every store you visit that previously had hair dyes has 10x reduced loot and it's a 50/50 on whether the building had its loot deleted by lemmy's new "mechanic"... I know I'm being a cynical chud, but fuck it all sounds so pointless and wasteful
>griefer pisses in your gas tank>car no longer starts because it doesn't recognize pissgas as fuel>have to grind level 8 mechanics to flush the fuel lines to make the car work again
>>1580220>I don't believe that it will have any real use in game that justifies anywhere near the importance given to itAs much as I like it in theory, the problem is it's just that. It's a mechanic with a lot of potential attached and nothing more. Modders will definitely make good on it, but I agree in that I sincerely doubt Indie Stone will do anything fun with it. Maybe in a few months time we'll have some magic alchemy mod at least.
>>1580226>Maybe in a few months time we'll have some magic alchemy mod at least.That's the issue with Zomboid, it's not that the game suffers from scope creep in the sense of too many features, it's that they want a limited number of way too complex and unwieldy features that cannot work unless the game is built from the ground-up for it.They want to pretend they can get alchemy like potion games or NPCs like Rimworld, but those games were always designed for it. Zomboid was never meant for more than a single-player survival game against zeds, and everything tackled on top sucks in some way as a result.
lemmy please, my faith is wavering and im becoming more obsessed with nikkerelease the hotfix
leaked hotfix patchhttps://pastebin.com/NKrPtHTL
>>1580290>Lowered the amount of zombies in the Forest by 5big if true
>>1580290Where did it come from? And any thoughts on when the fags will finally for the first time give us a hotfix, something they should have done day 1 or 2 of release, actually something that should have been done a year ago at least... Fuck those fags are lazy
>>1580293The official discord news discussion.
>>1580294Thanks, sad that it's a place only for gay commies who are committed to sucking lemmy off 23 hours per day.
>>1580290Okay, I'll believe it for now. But when the fuck is the ETA on this patch?
>>1580302>- Halved the neck strain from the sewing crafting timed action; it's wasn't excessive, and is reduced by Tailoring skill level, but a lot of people are grinding Tailoring xp apparently.Actually, this line makes it really believable. Given they're stupid enough to keep fucking neck strain from tailoring in and don't understand why people want to grind tailoring.
>Been burning zombies at the gun-range/gunstore for two days nowHow fucking many of these cunts are there? Holy shit I burn what feels like 500 of them and another 500 pour out of the building.
>>1580048Because I shouldn't have to balance 90% of the game.
>>1580311A quick google has people reporting around 1,000 zombies at least in the area.
>>1580314so you'd rather eat lemmy's garbage and complain about it?
>>1580316Sorry, that number is way off. Someone is reporting fucking over six thousand zombies in the gun range; in a town with a population of 500.
>>1580290- Fixed "Walk To" resetting the game speed to x1.Good change, I dont have to spam f4 when fast walking.- Fixed chopping trees not reducing sharpness.fug, I thought that was intentional- Fixed Crafting Panel Search bar ignoring selected category.How long has foraging been ingame? did they just ignore it for 4 years never checking to see if it worked?- Added recipe for making twine using dogbane.now make it so crafting a fishhook so its not cancerous to make a makeshift fishing pole- Rebalanced several cudgel weapons.if they still use the sledgehammer animations they will remain shit- Adjusted the sheetSlingBag capacity from 12 to 10 from feedback.STOP LEMMY
>>1580318He cries as he eat from garbage bin, while there is table with fresh ingridients right next to him, only requied to be cooked.
>>1580323Don't worry, Lemmy has fun surprises for us>- Butter now require 5L of milk instead of 0.5L.>- Some adjustment nerfs to the Ratchet Wrench and Tire Iron durability values.
>>1580330Also, this enormous list of nerfs to stones as weapons>- Both Stone2 and FlintNodule have a greater chance of being damaged when used for an attack.>-Both Stone2 and FlintNodule will should now drain approximately twice as much endurance as previously, and produce approximately twice as much muscle strain in the code.>- Both Stone2 and FlintNodule will do 2 damage to a door per strike versus 1 point of damage previously. They shouldn't be the worst possible weapon to use to beat down a door, and arguably might need a higher value.>-The FlintNodule and Stone2 weapons are no loner Short Blunt; they aren't a skill-associated weapon anymore, and no weapon skills provide any benefit when using them.
>>1580334Lemmy is such an insane spiteful faggot. I wish he'd get his head bashed in with a "non-skill-associated weapon".
>>1580343anon, a rock is not supposed to be the best weapon in the entire game
>>1580318>>1580324You're assuming I still played after the first few hours.
>>1580343>- Reduced the DoorDamage of the Kettle Maul weapons from 40 to 30.>- Increased the DoorDamage of the Bucket Maul from 40 to 50. It's an absolutely ludicrous weapon to use for anything other than pvp bloodsport, but apparently people have started crafting them to bash down security doors, and given how heavy and hard to use they are, giving them a boost for that purpose seems reasonable and nice reward for player ingenuity.There's also these two completely baffling changes. Two nearly identical weapons, but one is significantly better at door smashing than the other. Also:>Design PVP bloodsport weapon>Remove multiplayer in the update you introduce the weapon
>>1580348This is a helldivers problem all over again. Don't nerf the rocks, buff all the other weapons so that a random stone off the floor is better than 90% of the items available.
>>1580354that doesn't sound very balanced
>>1580290>- Doubled maintenance xp gain.I'll believe it when I see it.
>>1580290>Some tweaks to bookstore loot after discussion with Baph.Now, with even less loot.
>>1580362I mean to say make it so that rocks are NOT better than a majority of weapons in the game. Because that's a big issue I'm not seeing addressed. Things like spears, and smithed swords are still completely dogshit weapons for the effort required to craft them.Did you know that both the crude and proper swords have less durability than regular machetes? With the best quality two handed sword only giving the same damage as the machete?
>>1580369No fun allowed. Why even add blacksmithing in the first place if its shit.
>>1580373Well, if the patch notes are to be believed, they just added one of the best weapons in the game to smithing with the mace; and smithing still lets you craft axes if you jump through all the hoops required for it. Which are the best weapon category in the game.
>>1580041I remember retardnaru mentioning the real reason you have to aim for the head is that, due to the way the aiming, it uses the melee reticle which is below your mouse, and if you aim at zombies too close to you below the upper body, your character won't be facing their direction and the auto-aim won't trigger.
>>1580290>can't die to treesEnd of an era...
>>1580171Maybe take a look at your own bot-like tendencies; namely, repeating the same shit over and over again>le shills>le jews>le liberals>larpingIt's annoying, so I'll troll in response. Sorry if that makes you feel persecuted.
Whoever said there was only 1000 zombies at the big gun store, you're a lying nigger.It's been three fucking days of shooting, burning and hacking and there's another crowd of 500 who have appeared out of nowhere.
>>1580439I corrected myself after. Sorry anon.
>- Added functions to InventoryItem.java to randomize an item's condition, headCondition, Sharpness, and all general conditions, to consistencize loot spawning in ItemPickerJava.java.>consistencize>devs are native English speakersthis is just one of you cunts baiting, isn't it
>>1580086The amount of cocksucking in the comments is crazyAlso>the devs will fix itJust like they fixed bugs in B42 that they were already aware of a couple years ago. Oh wait...
>>1580452Hell, half of what he covers in the video is a bug that already existed in build 41.>>1580446It's really tough, there are some weird typos; but a lot of the shit is genuinely believable and lines up with how indie stone would change the game. If it's a hoax, it's genuinely really well done.
>>1580446What's this from?
>>1580456their discord server apparently>>1580446Nah, the snide bitch remark about neck strain when tailoring is enough on its own to prove it. They're just gay commie trannies phonefagging what they did, it's made to be informative, not refined or really read out loud, so they don't care.
>>1580452>The amount of cocksucking in the comments is crazywatI mean you really have to dumpsterdive into replies to replies in the comments to find anyone defending this shit, for the majority it's shit like:>"Build 42- The Just Don't Fight the Zomboids Update" >"42 is at this point not even half baked, it's more like dough.">""It's realism because your character panicked and missed, go play sandbox." - Reddit">"Hard to stay positive about PZ when this is the kind of stuff that pops out after three years of active development time." (yes i count this one, sue me)>"Saying "nothing is bug get good" in project zomboid is hilarious"B42 really did wake up a lot of retards even with all the "it's unstable!!" defense squad circlejerking.
>>1580467>Nah, the snide bitch remark about neck strain when tailoring is enough on its own to prove itYeah I noticed that shit too>Apparently people were grinding tailoringYeah you fucking retarded triplenigger. Because it's a skill that doesn't actually fucking do anything until level 8, and it takes days of ingame grinding to get even close to that level.YOU MADE A PROBLEMWHY ARE YOU UPSET AT PEOPLE NOTICING IT?
>>1580472They're plain retarded.>players watch life and living the first week for free xp>"reee this is not good gameplay, so we're introducing VHS you can loot to incentivize not staying in front of the TV">"reee we are nerfing life and living so you can't gain any xp past level 3">we're back to square one but with less xp Lemmy needs to be shot.>>1580469Yeah, the overwhelming majority of B42 supporters at this point are pajeet shills, as proven already in this very thread. They are mostly focused on r*ddit though, so on 4chan and jewtube where you mostly have real people commenting, B42 gets rightfully mocked.
>>1580472Well, tailoring also offers a (scaling) bonus to defense if you reinforce clothes with it too. Giving more reason to grind it in the game where getting hit once will kill you instantly.
>>1580290>CTRL F for "(edited)">7 matches
>>1580137>gaslightYou ain't being subtle, buddy.
>>1580290>>1580540ok yeah just confirmed it it's from some streamers discord
>>1580187Lemmy is gonna somehow managed to make the game more complex than CDDA but in a bad way>B44>have to press B + 5 + Alt + µ to pinch my urethra so my character can walk normally when I repeatedly pressing X + P (left foot) and N + 7 + @ (right foot)> I pressed too fast, now I need to go through 20 different menus to find the push left hand and push right hand (on different menus) to get back up
>>1580183I really wanna know how the fuck this took 3 years to make>container literally just hold a table that holds a liquid tag/object and a fucking float value>and a bunch of methods to pull in and out of that tableEven if you're the most braindead retard imagineable, you'd figure it out in a few months at best.t.vidya developer
>>1580225I'm surprised there's no ability to pour sugar in gas tanks or plug the exhaust pipes.
>>1580072>Play zomboid without mods so you can better learn to hate the developers with more passion.Most based poster here. You think you hate lemmy enough, but you don't.
>>1580582did that same discord give any idea for an ETA for the update?
>>1580602>I really wanna know how the fuck this took 3 years to makeBecause it didn't. They took 2 years and probably 6 months off.
>>1580625That's still 6 months too much for something they should have already been capable of doing in 14 years of development.
>>1580183the fluid transfer system would work well if they added brewing and distillation
>>1580602Simple, Lemmy took the whole team (except the map maker) to gay orgies for 3 years with the money the sales brought and only came back 2 months ago. Not going to name names, but I know of a literal free porn-game that has more depth, communication and regular (and polished) updates than this shit, and that's with a good part of the update code being done by randos working for free out of passion and a real desire to help out. That's what things look like when you don't have an insane fag deliberately sabotaging everything and refusing small patches, instead wanting to take 50 years to release a hotfix because "but we'll add the iranian-shoe-making and spanish-chicken-cooking skills so we decided to delay the update".>>1580628My issue has never been that it doesn't work, it's that the entire system is useless for this game. I don't want to do chemistry, larp as a bartender or do the retarded jewtuber thing of "I have added le poison into le milk of my le friend, I am so original, pls like the video haha being evil is so le funny, look how I ki... unalived my gay tranny friend! remember to hit the bell!"
>>1580086>can break windows with your mind from 30 feet away and also damage your weapon while psychically attacking carsHow the fuck does shit like this even happen
>>1580582That guy was streaming a run with +16k kills on the highest population.
>>1580640Since guns in B41 were literally reskinned long-range melee weapons, I'd wager it's a remnant of that or some sort of overflow that causes melee weapons to act like guns did, aka not have their maximum range correctly applied and instead having that of a gun. So while you're swinging a bat, the game pretty much believes you're shooting a gun, and that's what breaks the window.
>>1580651This game is so fucking doomed it's not even funny.
>>1580617none, but they all seem to be wildy guessing "soon" because they're allowing streamers to run around with the internal builds/greenlit posting the patchnotes>>1580645he's running 16x pop
>>1580290>- Fixed values for losing and gaining weight for Fast and Slow Metabolism traits.
>>1580334RIP b42 CDDA strat2024-2025
>>1580334>-The FlintNodule and Stone2 weapons are no loner Short Blunt; they aren't a skill-associated weapon anymore, and no weapon skills provide any benefit when using them.lol>>1578786>Fixed a bug where stones could be equiped and used as weapon
>>1580657I'm guessing either tomorrow or next Thursday at the latest then. Leaning more towards tomorrow.>>1580632>it's that the entire system is useless for this game.I disagree. A big problem zomboid has right now is there's honestly a massive dearth of actual "survival" mechanics beyond hitting zombies with a hammer or something. There hasn't been any real crafting in the vanilla game up until now as an example. The game can benefit (keyword: can) from the mechanic if Indie Stone or modders actually do something with it.
>>1580663All they've described in blog posts up to this point has been pointless pseudo-autistic bullshit. I don't mind autistic shit like the entirety of Oxygen Not Included because the game was clearly designed for it, but in PZ it doesn't work. It's not necessarily a horrible thing for the game, but it's as stupid and pointless as muh glassblowing skill, and the small part of it that isn't stupid could have been done much simpler in a week by any competent dev.
>>1580290>ctrl-f calories/weight>nothing about fixing the countless broken calorie values (like needing to eat 6 chickens a day to maintain weight), or walking consuming more calories than runningSomeone shoot lemmy in minecraft
>>1580683Weird they go as far fixing he slow/fast trait calories needed. but not fix the base mechanic going to negative 2200 ?Fucking stupid
>>1580663eh, as cool as the thought of making SS13-tier acid gas grenades is, odds are the best sort of chemical crafting you'd even get is like noise popper fireworks to pad "stealth" playstylesMedical chemistry?Irrelevant until medical reworkGrenades and booms?Irrelevant until throwing rework (or rather, the implementation of an actual system)etc etc etc, "could be cool if it had systems that supported it" ad infinitum
>>1580689I was thinking more along the lines of cooking (making broth, gravies, and maybe batter?) or glue making actually, for things that are immediately useful. But those fall into the category of "Could be cool if it had system that supported it".
>>1580697Is current soup/bouillon even a liquid?
>>1580703Good question, I haven't even touched soup since the update. In either case, what I'm thinking of would require some method of adding powdered and solid ingredients to a "liquid" somehow. And being able to render those solid ingredients down to a liquid.
>>1580029yeah the update talking about how everyone wanted stealth to be better so they worked on it must have been a fat lie, honestly it's like it doesn't work at all now
>>1580683>- Bumped nutrition values on animal meat when butchering.Maybe?
>>1580790"bumped" already means they're still fags. Butchering a 900kg bull gives you 2kg of meat, I wouldn't care if the nutrition was multiplied by even 10, it would still be shit compared to what we should logically get. And knowing them, it's gonna be some +30% nutrition and never buffed again thing.
https://youtu.be/osdCs40CPuY?si=wHQ1Y934Lk53YS2Nis this video still relevant after the release of b42?
>>1580767>honestly it's like it doesn't work at all nowit doesn't, like at all. Your stealth skill and traits have no impact on your visibility. The moment you enter a vision cone, regardless of range and conditions you instantly get spotted and a zombie paths towards you. All bad conditions do is reduce zombie sight range by like 2 or 3 tiles down from ~15.
>>1580689>ss13 tierNever ever, SS13 is sci-fi, but there some nasty stuff it's possible to craft even with current tech that i hope be eventually added if not by devs, then by mods.
>>1580827>All bad conditions do is reduce zombie sight range by like 2 or 3 tiles down from ~15.So much for that MASSIVE stealth "rework"
>>1578786>Fixed a bug where butter could be made with 10x less milk than it was supposed to>>1580290- Butter now require 5L of milk instead of 0.5L.Anon has the foresight
Can't wait for B42 to be done so modders can start their work in earnest actually balancing the game. B43 is either never coming or will be the final nail in the coffin trying to push the "realistic" Sims Runescape playstyle no one actually wants.
>- Halved the neck strain from the sewing crafting timed action; it's wasn't excessive, and is reduced by Tailoring skill level, but a lot of people are grinding Tailoring xp apparently.LOLLMAO>You weren't supposed to grind a skill that takes 5 years to do anything useful
>>1581030>design the entire game around runescape grinding>"apparently players are grinding, what the heck kind strangers, what could push the playerbase to do le heckerino grinding?"I hate fags so much it's insane
>>1580290>a lot of people are grinding Tailoring xp apparently.If it's a real thing, it basically confirms those faggots don't even play their own game.Why the fuck would people not fucking grind tailoring, considering how it literally does nothing until it's maxxed out?
>>1581030>>1581033I feel like having taken home-ec back in school gives me at least 5 cooking and 5 tailoring. Some of my younger friends are amazed at me being able to make salisbury steak or spaghetti sauce, or that I can patch my jeans with needle and thread.Probably have level 5 metal working and carpentry due to shop class.
>>1581053the smartest man in kentucky
>>1581053Sorry, the average person in 1993 wouldn't even know which end of the needle is the pointy one.
>>1581053Sir, sir, I cannot let you spread such misinformation around, if you truly did possess those skills, you'd be too blind to see the screen, too illiterate to write and too preoccupied with dying of asthma to have the energy to type!
>>1581053How does it feel to live as an obese, weak, deaf, illiterate, unfit, agoraphobic retard who hates the sight of blood, sleep 3 hours per night, smoke like a chimney despite having asthma?Because that's what you need to have according to the game to be able to do anything.
>>1581065lmao
smoker was always a bizarre trait to me>can't ever kick the addiction, even when you live in a post-apocalyptic world where you face life and death situations on a daily basis and struggle for food and shelter>no fitness implications>no health implications
>>1581099>no fucking cigs literally anywhere
>>1581052That's the best point this >>1580817 guy made in his video, how a lot of the existing content is deceptive. Like they add entire skills like Electrical and First Aid and now all the new ones and as a new player you might get the idea this actually is Runescape and its a cool thing that there's such skill variety. Then you realize that unlike Runescape, many skills are like alpha stage conceptual, with a few recipes or no thought behind how they should fit into the game at large.>b-but the new skills akshually have 1000 recipes so it really is like RunescapeWell, no, because Runescape skills are all part of a cohesive whole (can only speak to 2006-scape I know nothing of nu-scape) and usually have a point to learning them. In PZ even if some of the new skills ends up getting a lot of recipes, almost all of them are useless for the way the vast majority play the game (which is going looting and exploring). If this was some Early Access game 1-2 years in the making and they were still figuring out what the game should be and pivoting in some new direction, fine, but this game has been in development and cultivated a player base for more than 10 years.
>>1571973I think I found a spy fellers.
>>1581100This too, and in the fucking 90's Kentucky. There'd be cartons upon cartons all over the place.
>>1581100The average joe in the 90s would forcefully jam any cigarettes he owns up his ass in an emergency
>>1581116What, a red spy is in the base?!>>1581052Absolutely. This is probably why smithing is such a fucking chore too.
>>1581115You know, I actually think pivoting away from autistic zombie survival and into zombiescape MMO might actually be a good thing for the game. With all that entails, quests, etc. Sadly because lemmy does nothing but huff his own farts we'll be trapped in this spiral forever until they officially abandon development 60 years from now.
>>1581193Abso-fucking-lutely not. This game already has enormous issues with focus; making it a hundred times worse with having to completely retool the game to fill a different niche entirely would make them even worse.
I just want to be able to make a baseball bat (equivalent) using a log and a carving knife.
>>1581206That would be too op.But you can make long handles and reinforce it with tin cans, best I can do.
>>1581206okay but it has to be a flint knife and you need cured leather straps for the handle
>>1581052Having to build skills by grinding in a game like this is retarded anyway. The skills should be useful enough and levelling tuned so that you progress naturally by using the skills for their intended purpose.This might mean making skills affect quality or success chance rather than outright gating recipes behind a level check.
>>1581199Can it really get that much worse, it's already a broken husk that gets more broken and unfocused with each update. The only true hope for this game's future is that lemmy actually follows through on his hollow threat of selling out to the chinks. If lemmy remains in control this game is never going to progress.
>>1581210Funnily enough, can reinforced long handles are only just barely worse than a baseball bat..6-1 damage, 30% crit rate, 225 average hits vs.7-1.1 damage, 40% crit rate, 300 average hits
>>1581235I know, been using it in a CDDA run and it's pretty solid weapon
>>1581115People tolerate grinding in other games because you usually get something out of it, like non-useless items or money. You can watch more numbers go up than just the thing you're grinding, so it doesn't feel like a total waste of time and it contributes to your overall progression.In PZ, skill grinding has absolutely no side benefits. And it doesn't help that you're always one bite away from losing it all, which makes it feel even more pointless.I wonder if people at TIS have played other games and given serious thought to what makes them tick and keeps people coming back.
>>1580632>do the retarded jewtuber thing of "I have added le poison into le milk of my le friend, I am so original, pls like the video haha being evil is so le funnyGod that is the reason for why they added fluid transfer, it's just streamer/youtube bait crap.
Why the fuck do I need a hammer and to learn carpentry to move a fucking couch?
>>1581306because you don't pick up the whole couch, you disassemble part of it to pack it up.
>>1581308Fucking brits man.
>>1581306Be lucky that he didn't introduced a furniture-moving license yet.
Gunstore-clearing anon here.Still fucking clearing it, another 500 burnt zombies and yet another 500 are pouring out of the building.So I guess that confirms zombies now can spawn out of the field of the player's view? Because I am telling you these zombies weren't fucking there.
>>1581368I would believe it tbqh. This update is so anti-player enjoyment its kind of absurd.
>>1581368I just turn off respawning zombies, but got the Wandering zombie mod.now zombies will try to travel to empty cells in the world, and even form hordes, but don't just respawn to fill the void.
>>1581375Respawn is turned off, zombies appear to have a predefined local-area limit. So each time I burn 500, it subtracts 500 from the local-area zombie-pool and spawns another 500 into the map nearby.
>>1581380Yeah, the gunstore has around 6,000 zombies apparently.
>>1581368>So I guess that confirms zombies now can spawn out of the field of the player's view? Because I am telling you these zombies weren't fucking there.It's a bit more complicated than that, but in short, there's a difference betwen a cell population and the playable area population, as long as there are zombies in the cell, the game will keep spawning them wherever it have the space and opportunity to do so.Most likely they just cranked the population in those area to like 5000, but since the game probably have a soft cap of 500, it'll keep shitting out zombies.
>>1581368start a new game on debug mode and teleport yourself to the gunstore
>>1581403I think I've finally cleared the fucking place. Has more loot than I could possibly ever use, or ANYBODY could ever use. God damn.Yet to access this place would use more bullets than within it, lmao.
>>1581368gunstore has a spawn spot on the roof
>>1581415Show us your haul when you've got it all gathered up.
>>1581420Its more than my step-van can possibly hold, but sure I'll show as much as I can
>>1581423>step-vanHelp me step van I'm stuck under all this loot
>>1581433Well here's the contents of my van. There's also an M16, some rifles, some handguns and some shotguns below all that crap. Plus some of that stuff I brought with me to the raid.Not worth it at all though, what's the point of getting all this ammo when you have to clear about 6000 zombies, and if you can clear 6000 zombies without ammo, you don't need this ammo.
>IRL fishing hooks>Found in literal boxes of tens to hundreds>Ingame>Found individuallyNo fucking fisherman does this, not a single fucking one. Lemmy go outside and do a fucking hobby that isn't jerking off to axe wounds you creep.Same shit as paperclips, no office worker keeps a single fucking paperclip in their desk, they always have a pack of a hundred laying around.
>>1581439That's honestly barely any ammo, unless you've got a ridiculous aiming level. How many weapons did you go through killing all those zombies?
>>1581442There are packs of those things, i think hooks too now.
>>1581447I went through a fireaxe, two hatchets and half a dozen stone axes, plus about 100 5.56 rounds, 100 9mm rounds, and 120 .308 rounds.Vast majority of kills was due to firebombs though, must've been thousands burnt to ash.But the ammo in the van is just a tiny portion of what's in the building, there's probably about 300-400 weight in ammo there, and guns and other survival shit.>>1581450There 'are' packs but they are so rare that they might as well not even exist. I turned loot rarity to 'normal' and have found a single paperclip box and despite raiding MULTIPLE fishing stores haven't found a single hook box.
>>1581439Only 4 boxes of shotgun shells? What the fuck
>>1581455There's way more inside the building, I just grabbed a diversity of objects to stuff into my truck.I'd also prefer 5.56 and 9mm over shotgun shells with high aiming anyways.
>>1580034>released in 2004>working faction system, NPCs, followers, infection system, detailed environments>actually fun to play with multiple play styles viable>no crafting bullshit no green bars just pure action
>>1581388Sounds like more artificial gamey bullshit. There is no reason why zombies would congregate in that area except to be an obstacle to a big pile of loot. Which is also completely at odds with the rest of the loot distribution having nearly every building nonsensically empty (did you know that in 1993, only one out of 10 households owned a cooking pot?).
>>1581467You haven't seen the random shack in the woods surrounded by 1000 zombies for no reason lmao.
>>1581467If you mean the spawn mechanic: It's optimization, the engine wouldn't handle having 5000 zombies active at the same time.If you mean putting a bagillion zombies in random places, for sure. Made much worse because Lemmy, that stupid faggot, nerfed combat as well without adding anything of value to replace it.
>>1581460>There's way more inside the building, I just grabbed a diversity of objects to stuff into my truck.Ah, fair enough.>I'd also prefer 5.56 and 9mm over shotgun shells with high aiming anyways.Yea I suppose so since the change to how shotguns multi-hit.
>>1581474>the engine wouldn't handle having 5000 zombies active at the same timeIt did in B40, where you could easily make hordes 5x larger than they are now.
Zomboid needs the map-guys to pre-place fucktons of 'default' loot around the map to incentivize exploration.The huge gunstore should have an M60 in the back room or something that's always there.A specific fishing shop should have an imported super high quality fishing rod only found there, and so on.
>>1581486It's the cost of going from 2D to 3D. And also being coded like ass.
>>1581490>Making the artstyle and ingame assets not match the map assets made the game run worse and look worseWow, they can't stop losing can they?>>1581489That kindof exists already in the form of antique stoves. Super useful item and is pre-placed in the world and sometimes found in warehouses.But yeah a lot more pre-placed stuff would stop the game feeling like a retard-lottery.
>When you realize the default character being a talentless knowledgeless retard is an overt jab at predominantly right-wing rural AmericansLemmy is obsessed.
>>1581447>>1581455Oh not a single fishing rod in the entire building by the way. Multiple fishing tackleboxes but not a single lure or rod.Fucking faggot ass game.
>>1581508Meds
>>1581516there is one in that photo
>>1581544I brought that one along with me just in case. None were in building.>>1581540DO NOT REDEEM THE CARD!
>NPC's added to game>initial release has them all get mauled and killed in the first week>Hotfix>-NPC reaction times now instant>-NPC health, infection resistances and melee speed increased>-NPC's no longer need water>-NPC's can see you though walls now as players were exploiting LOS checks
>>1580817His point about the numerous skills being a mile wide and an inch deep is still spot on, unfortunately. It's funny that people think NPCs will magically solve everything, when half of the content we already have is just window dressing with nothing behind it.I don't really understand what he means about adding animals being a business decision to draw in tons of players. For me animals was one of the less interesting promised features, and I doubt there were tons of people itching to play PZ with animals. But he's right that it's one more thing to suck up development time when we already have dozens of half-baked features.
>>1581584>>NPC's added to gamehe's hallucinating a scenario that will never happenget him some water asap
>>1581593Animals is just needless busywork that shows how fucked the loot system is and how skills interact with one another>I want chickens>IRL>Just any fucking cardboard box, planks of wood crudely nailed together or just a fucking undercover area>Ingame needs a chicken coop that needs a master carpenter to build>IRL>Fucking eat anything, large open paddock with bugs and shit and they'll survive and thrive>Ingame>Starves to death without constant babysitting
>>1572191But the wiki says it's possible!>>1581491Yeah, agreed. I haven't played in over a year; me and some friends hosted a public server and it was alot of fun but we lost steam after 4 months or so. I started playing B42 about 3 weeks ago and I really had alot of fun, but the emptiness was just killing me and that week later mod looks like a buggy mess. I reached out to some of the old zomboid friends, and we decided to host a new server in preperation for B42 multiplayer. We planned it out for over 2 weeks to try and get some solid interest before the actual launch.Launched on 1/11, and it's actually been a blast. We have gotten alot of interest, some randoms even joined and set up the discord all nice for us. 4 days in and we are already rank 100. All the mods and settings were (and still are being) voted on by the community. Obviously there will be some kinks in the road but I think it's worth it to get a solid community for when B42 comes out. Be cool to be in a full server where everyones input matters.It's a Light Roleplay/PvP Server, map, vehicle, music, and QOL mods PvP is turned on in LV and is optional around the rest of the map. Would be cool if some of you all joined up and helped contribute, will be nice to kill some of you. No profanity filter or anything like that, but keep the discord tame. I'm playing as a Nigerian and the doctor in our group actually ISNT Jewish, and hate's Jews because "They never want to pay their full doctor bill.">https://discord.gg/nEZsXPCCza>Dead Man's DrinkIP: 51.161.119.64Port: 28055My Social Security Number: 323-441-0031
>trannycord
>>1581593>I don't really understand what he means about adding animals being a business decision to draw in tons of players.Probably because the big thing is the devs glaze animals as if they're a huge milestone forwards for NPCs, so a lot of people delude themselves into believing that with chickens implemented, more advanced NPCs are "just around the corner!"
>>1581595I have a cousin who lives in Vermont and got a dozen chickens for his house. They eat bugs in his (large) yard. They live in a 'chicken coup' that's just a frame with clear plastic walls. Also chickens are incredibly dumb. Thanks to the clear plastic walls I watched as they struggled figuring out how to leave the coop and then after a few hours struggled figuring out how to re-enter it by walking along the ramp in.
>>1581595Having owned chicken, my only real concern were predators, which taught me to burrow the grid of the coop. (and not let the duty of closing the coop door to an idiot)Feeding them has never been an issue beside maybe in winter.Lemmy is a faggot.
>>1581683No predators in Zomboid because Lemmy can't code for shitSo that isn't an issue ingame.
>>1581193In a way I agree, some kind of Zombiescape would be great if someone out there was capable of pulling it off. That someone is NOT Lemmy and his team, lmao.
>>1581281>I wonder if people at TIS have played other games and given serious thought to what makes them tick and keeps people coming back.No, and that's a big problem for the game. Everything that is good about PZ is so coincidentally or through the addition of generous sandbox settings and a whole lot of patience from its player base. These people just cannot into game design, at all.
>>1581703Sandbox settings has a toggle for an invisible fox predator actually. But it seems really gay because it requires a ton of chicken management since they always get got unless they're in a coop that's specifically closed up at night.
>>1581707>Invisible NPC's looting buildings>Invisible foxes eating chickensWhat's next, invisible zombies biting you in the dark?
>>1581467>>1581460>>1581451Which gun store is this? I heard tell of one with extremely high zombie pop, but in all my playthroughs the only one I ever really hit up is the one west of Riverside (that used to only require a screwdriver to disassemble doors, but now I guess needs a blowtorch or something) and that one was pretty much same as always on my last playthrough.
>>1581715The echo creek gunstore.
>>1581715"Guns Unlimited" the one just outside of Echo Creek.Has more zombies than an entire town, condensed into a single building.
>>1581466>moooom, moooom, i just want to mindlessly kill zombiesLet's be honest, zomboid is just not for you.
>>1581721It's made even funnier when you remember the real life Echo Creek has a population of 500 people. When the gun store can hold 6,000 zombies in it's cell.
>>1581722You're going to explain what else there is to do in zomboid aside from killing zombies and watching green bars fill up. Right?
>>1581723the gun store owners had a last stand and attracted every zombie in the vicinity to the store with gunfire, that's why the giant horde is therewhat, you expect to just park in front and loot the biggest milsurp store on the map without seeing a single zombie? You have to earn that loot
>>1581727This would be far more believable if there were hundreds of dead zombies outside, signs of a last stand, empty guns everywhere.
>>1581730There wouldn't even be any zombies. Because between the owner, the employees and the people going to the range there'd be like a half dozen to a dozen people with guns and a ridiculous amount of ammo.
>>1580316>2x the population of Echo Creek went to the gun store>but everyone's still at their homes anyways ebin
>>1581759Lol no the popcount of guns unlimited is closer to 3-6 thousand.
>>1581762i believe you but how does one figure out this zombie popcount?
>>1581767Check kills before entering place.Check kills after clearing it.
>>1581030>it's wasn't excessive>adding a patch caused pain so intense you couldn't sleepThey DO play their game, right?
>>1581771>It wasn't excessive>It literally brought the neck region to maximum possible strain>Tailoring was more physically intensive than cutting down fucking trees or climbing multiple 8 foot fences
>>1581726Survival, cooking, farming (now actually fun), tending to animals, making your dragon horde grow, imporoving on your base, etc.
>>1581796God I wish they'd stop sending indian shills here, it'd be a nicer site.
>>1581797>indians live rent free in mexican headCмeшнo)
>>1581796Anon this is bait right? Because farming is worse than it's ever been, in fact it's not actually functional due to multiple bugs. Or is anon right and you're actually just some brownoid TIS hired?
>>1581800It's not. But i not talking about farming as how it currently is in unstable, as it is bugged mess. I talking as concept of making it realistic time-wise. I dropped my last game in Zomboid exactly because unrealistically fast growing crops. But make no mistake i am not defending lemmy, he is moron, but i despise faggots who trying to turn zombie apocalypse survival who somewhat trying to be realistic, into another run-gun-zombies game, like dozens others.
>>1581796>all the worst part of the game green bar go up>funmost retarded poster here
>>1581806>appleless niggernigger
>>1581803Niggerkun it's like 120 days to grow crops ingame, that's 120 IRL hours in a permadeath game.Holy shit this thread really is being raided by jeets.Go find a google play card to redeem you smelly turd.
>>1581812>can't survive 120 daysKYS, unironically, every nigger from here or reddit who can't survive even one month should kill themselves right now, due skill issues.
>in order to get leather you need a fleshing tool>which has a low chance to spawn inside crates in barns and is uncraftable>also if you want to make large bellows you cant use any other animal leather than cow(?) leather so if you want to be a blacksmith you NEED to find a cowmy quest for a sledgehammer continues getting more and more autistic
>>1581813120>One Month smoothbrainGod you shills are too overt. How about you praise something less divisive so you fit in?
>>1581813>missing the point this hard It's not about difficulty, it's about tedium Waiting 120 days for crops doesn't magically make the game harder, it means I have to sit around with my dick in my hand for longer to get anything out of farming, because let's be honest here, come winter you've done everything you've wanted to
>farmcucks babysit plants for 120 days for like 1-3 food items>meanwhile foragechads can eternally sustain themselves with zero prep or wait by simple walking forward in the woods and also get rare items and crafting materials
>>1581814the fact that you need to skin a cow and process the leather yourself to make the bellows instead of just skinning a leather couch or using a hairdryer is so idiotic
>>1581819Well, at one point in time...
>>1581816There no tedium, moron, if implemented correctly you don't have to babysit then, as neither you had to do in B41, rain will do most of the work as it do IRL. In B41 you needed to farm a single month to get enough food worth for entire year+, irl farmers would love crops grow that fast, but it's unrealistic dogshit.
>>1581823Zombies aren't realistic you retard, it's a video game. You can't have a game designed around players dying in the first few weeks if 99% of mechanics require MONTHS to grind out.>>1581819Or just cutting up leather jackets and stuff. You could get a pretty big slab of leather from those.But that'd allow players to use a skill without grinding for months, or finding super rare RNG items which is against Lemmy's wishes.
>>1581822>you cant use metal drums to store water anymore>the electric blower forge literally has no use
>>1581817When you need calories, fish. When you don't, forage. Farming is worthless, a 4 months run is one where you're either innawoods, your stomach filled with fishes and berries so farming is useless, or you're a nomad constantly looting different places for food thus you will have always left before crops reach even 10% growth.Farming was already stupid and worthless before, with the ubernerf it's plain retarded.
>>1581822Pictures like this look cool until you look at how it works ingame>All that armor causes massive discomfort which means either getting permanently sad, or constantly micromanaging your outfit>Welding mask completely fucks your vision, and can be rare to find>All those crafting gubbinz are also RNG dependent, good luck fag lmao>Pickaxe needed to break railway is one of the rarest weapons in the game so good luck, or grind to level 6 blacksmithing to unlock the shortcut to blacksmithing (wut???)>Most recipes don't allow for items outside of your inventory so you'll have to manually pick up all those tools and place them one by one instead of the game sorting that shit out for youDOGSHIT game.As dogshit as pajeet-anon ITT
>>1581817In B42 the player needs about the caloric intake of a large bear, so foraging doesn't work. Only butter and huge fish (20kg of fish a day lmao) is what can fuel your monster of a body.
Discomfort is one of the most retarded new "mechanics" they've added. Just grinded up your blacksmithing to 8 so you can make armor that takes a ton of resources to create, weights half your max limit and nerfs your running and combat speed? Sowwy your character isnt feeling comfy now and they are getting more depressed than an urbanoid arts major doing physical labor for first time in their lives.
>>1581836The meta has, and always will be>Whatever gives you the most armor and coverage without overheating you or making you uncomfortableWhich basically always results in leather gloves, elbow protectors, desert military clothes and maybe a throat protector.99% of attacks hit your hands and arms so nothing else really matters.Its fucking retarded how the meta is to not wear pants.
>grind to level 10>to make something that's much worse than shit tier lootHaven't seen this level of retardation since Kenshi weaponsmithing.What's the point of spending months becoming a master craftman if you're gonna make trash?
>>1581840>Haven't seen this level of retardation since Kenshi weaponsmithing.You can make mastercrafts in Kenshi though? Which are only beaten by a handful of one-of-a-kind weapons preplaced on the map?
Zomboid's crafting system is way too fucking restrictive and doesn't allow for 'ersatz' materials where it would make sense for fun gameplay.>Need long stickOkay what about a tree branch?>Nope, LONG STICKCan I tie two tree branches into a long stick?>NO, GIVE, LONG, STICKWhat about a LARGE tree branch? Can I cut and carve it into a long stick?>NOWhat about a long handle, does that work? >NOHow about a fucking metal pipe of equal length?>WHAT PART OF LONG STICK DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?Holy shit Lemmy don't shit yourself, fine I'll get a long stick.
>>1581847it's unfinished
>>1581849All the more reason to criticize it if it's unfinished after three fucking years you plebe. Low caste jeet.
>>1581844You can only go as far as Edge 1 (2 with a build crit) and those are nerfed versions of actual Edge 1 and 2.There's no point to it because by the time you can make them, you can probably afford to equip your entire squad with the real stuff and better.
>>1581850why are you sperging out at me, it's the truth
>>1581844from what i can remember you have a certain limit of quality on crafts and can only make masterworks with like a 10% random chance or something when crafting at max level which takes hours upon hours of grind and even then has same quality as shit you can simply loot or buy from a store.t.other
>>1581851>>1581854Understood, haven't played Kenshi in quite some time.Yeah that's bullshit you should be able to craft proper Edge 1-2-3 weapons, with max level crafting Meitou.
>>1581857locking the best gear behind hours of grinding instead of hiding it around the world would cheapen out on the experiencebesides, you can just mod craftable meitou weapons into the game
>>1581860It's already pre-placed in the world. Why not just allow max-level crafters to build it as well? That's not 'locking' gear behind levels lmao.
>>1581857I mean I'm fine with it being capped at Edge 2, 3 is the most expensive loot you can find and Meitou are meant to be unique, but having your crafted weapons be a nerfed version of the actual thing make the skill completely pointless.
>>1581862because it incentivizes exploration of the world instead of hiding in your base and cheesing every raid with a wall of crossbows while your crafthogs are grinding 24/7
>>1581813its about dying not because le game is too hard but because the game is too boring and i dont think green bar go up is a fun gameplay activity.
zomboid would be infinitely better if you could craft ammunition
>>1581827>You can't have a game designed around players dying in the first few weeksAnd it's good, because zomboid certainly shouldn't be designed for it. It's should be designed for those who good enough to live year+, those who die in first weeks, either should be git gut, or cope.
>>1581893Except whenever players survive more than a few weeks the developers throw a bitchfit and nerf more shit.
>>1581836Discomfort is one of lemmy retardation indeed, it's mostly unrealistic as you are pretty comfortable in full-plate, despite holywood trying to say you are not. You wouldn't spend 24/7 in it, but it's at worst give you some minor inconviniences.
>>1581894Well, i never said that devs is not retarded, i just defend those rare cases when they not, in my view.
>Being tired makes you more tired makes you more tired>So therefore anything that makes you LESS tired is incredibly powerful>Wakeful basically gives your character more time to do shit regardless of if it's smashing zombies or lootingMust have.
>>1581796>survivalbit too broad, but so many things in general are broken or require tweaking sandbox rules this is very debatable>cookingcrafting UI worse than before, so false>farmingfarming even grindier than before, so false>tending to animalsvery buggy, not very rewarding>making your hoard growsure I guess, that's always a thing in these games>improving on your baseso many things broken currently this is debatable
>>1581915Don't respond to jeet-anon, he's just here to stir things up.
>Some forum nobody found out that protein stored within characters basically never goes down>So after a few days every character is at the maximum if 999/999 protein>This is good, right? More strength?>Strength bonuses due to protein stop working after 300/999 to simulate protein poisoning>So every character is basically stunted muscle-wise thanks to retarded stat values and bad programming
>>1581933>protein poisoningwhat having gay commie vegan devs does to a game
>>1581834>>1581817I survived for weeks on 30 boiled eggs a day.
>>1581984And you're going to stumble across 30 fucking eggs ad ay in the woods huh?30 regular chicken eggs is well over a human amount of calories by the way. Unless you weigh about 200+ kilograms of beefy muscle.
>>1581984For me it's potatoes+rabbit meat/fish stir-fry, twice per day, with butter if i run low on colories.
>>1582027>Get fishing rod and a cockroach or maggots that are all over the place>Catch 40kg fish that fucking bloatmaxxes your character for days lmao>Can even use the fillet to catch MORE fish
>No update yetAre they really going to just sit around waiting a whole month before they update this godforsaken game
>>1581933tfw when going from thinking you're just making this shit up now its so stupid to its real and there was a mod for it for a long time even https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2859304462
>>1581993>30 regular chicken eggs is well over a human amount of calories by the way. Unless you weigh about 200+ kilograms of beefy muscle.Huh? Its about 2400 calories, nothing crazy as far as just calories are concerned, especially if you're doing hard physical (and almost every day in PZ is pretty much like that). Its a comical amount to consider actually eating though, I get a little sick just thinking about it, lol.
>>1582037Sorry anon, I mistook 100g portions of eggs as a single egg. Yeah 2400 calories in eggs makes sense.>>1582035Lemmy can't code for shit and he hires jeets.
>>1581814You know most common sledge spawn is the construction van/pickup next to some traffic cones or a manhole. The sledge is placed on the road.
>>1582085Except for those times the (already very rare) construction manhole event doesn't spawn a sledgehammer. Which is pretty fucking often.
I hate this game and I don't want to play it
>>1581871Retards can't separate the idea of difficulty from tedium. They're one and the same to them.
how long are we gonna have to wait until the endgame looks like this?
>>1582131What's this? Is it a better game that I should play instead of this one?
>>1582133modded SimCity 3000 I thinkit's been sitting in my picture folder for years
>>1582131looks like one of those games from ads on instagram that is kinda tower defense, but worse
Why can't someone make a PZ-like that's actually good?
>>1582140I want it now!!!!
>>1582152Don't worry anon, just pledge to my kickstarter and I'll make sure to give you a zomboid clone that's buggier, takes longer in development and has cute anime girls
>modders are almost done releasing multiplayerhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3398130401&searchtext=multiplayer
>>1582248>almost doneThey added back the buttons.Someone made a mod to add the buttons a few days after B42 release but the mod was removed for being "non-functional" which would "confuse players" (which sounds like overbearing bullshit).
>>1582131Pictured is "future of all major human cities", but its missing the drones and roving gangs.
>>1582140zombies suck and the only people who play zombie sandbox survival games are autistic retardsand the only way to appease autistic retards is dumb shit like convoluted crafting and time wasting "RPG" systems
>>1582321Are you happy about the time wasting green bars systems?
>>1582759>Are you happy about the literal generic RPG channeling bar for every actionno
>>1582777Then why are you contradicting yourself? You are an autist, you are unhappy with the RPG systems, so why are you saying the only way to appease autists is with RPG systems.
>>1582856Careful you don't hurt its tiny ESL brain. They don't cope well with cognitive dissonance.
>>1582321Except I can imagine PZ being good with competent developers who know something about game design and a lead dev that doesn't have untreated mental illness.
>>1582941>untreated mental illnessI don't think any amount of treatment aside from a .45 caliber aspirin will fix l*mmy.
>>1582948He has a clear inability to accept criticism and has public meltdowns as a result. That is definitely fixable.
>>1582964It's the kind of thing that only gets fixed if you lose everything and are forced to restart or die, and lemmy is filthy rich.
>>1582978Being miserable is often a pretty good motivator to fix it, but some people can be miserable for years without doing anything about it.
>>1583001Not if you have endless ways to cope, and many years of gay buttsex, drugs and vegan restaurants await him before he does anything else with how rich he is.
>>1583006Maybe he'll sell the studio, start and fail some other projects, and then give up on life and sit around trolling Twitter all day.
>>1583018He'll never sell, like the jews who ruined Game of Thrones, he's way too egocentric about "this is mine" and he refuses to let anyone else get any credit. As for "trolling", he can only do so because of power, no one would ever care what the faggot say if he didn't have the power to ruin zomboid.
>>1583027I don't care if he sells it or not. It's not like he owns the idea of a zombie survival simulator. There are plenty of dwarf fortress clones, for example.
>>1581706The default infection behaviour is clear evidence of this. They insist that bites must be 100% fatal even though that completely eliminates any opportunity for infections to create a gameplay experience. The only logical thing to do when you see "bitten" is to close the game, or stash your stuff and kill yourself if you plan on spawning a new character in the same save file.It works as a plot device in a movie, but in PZ it's just a longer and more boring way to reach the game over screen.And reducing the infection chance in sandbox does not make this any better of a game mechanic, because it just delays quitting to when you see the sickness moodlet.
>>1583097THIS*clap*IS*clap*HOW*clap*YOU*clap*QUIT
I refuse to play Project Zomboid until:>Infections are made not retarded and boring>Skills feel rewarding to use and progression feels natural>Default difficulty settings are tuned and tested with an intended experience for each one. Sandbox should be necessary for advanced players only.>Combat is challenging but rewarding, and absolutely no hitbox issues>Loot and zombie population reflects some manner of sanity. Extremely common objects shouldn't be rare.>Stealth is either useful in some situations or it isn't. If 1/10 zombies can see you and start following you around until you walk really far away, then it's useless.
>>1583097This is why I've just turned off zombie infection in the sandbox settings.
>>1583149don't know how retards still don't just turn infections off when starting a new character lolif a nothinn personnel zombie doesnt get you, you slip up eventually or get too cocky.no point having gayfections on
How to fix loot 101Dismantle stuff into a generic scrap material. We have scrap electrics so just apply that to everything. Scrap metal, scrap wood, scrap cloth, scrap plastic, etc. Then have recipes use scrap as option number 2 instead of autisticly specific shit that needs to be hard defined like long stick.
>>1583175NTA but that's usually what I do as well, that said probably 3/4 of the time I die it's from doing something stupid and getting cornered so I'm gonna die anyway but that's on me. I don't find anything engaging about waiting to see if the anxiety moodle pops up after every scratch. Plus it's some good emergent story telling if you get pretty badly banged up but are able to escape and then have to lay low for a few days to heal up and not venture too far.
>>1583149>>Combat is challenging but rewarding, and absolutely no hitbox issuesSee you at the heat death of the universe.
>>1583149>>Infections are made not retarded and boringzombie infections or regular infections
>>1583503>See you at the heat death of the universe.Hopefully by then we'll have figured out another measure of time to mock the fact that Lemmy still haven't released B43
>>1583149>>1583374Anons you can keep infection on but turn infection morality to 'never'.It gives you a potentially lethal infection that generally takes away half of your health and weakens you for about a day. But you will survive unless you continue fighting or are already wounded.
>>1583546Gonna try this next time i play with sprinters, lost my last character to getting ambushed from behind while fighting and getting stunlocked until i got bit
>>1583558Stunlocking is bullshit for stronger strength characters. A normal person being grabbed by a trio of zombies and being stunlocked? Yeah sure makes sense.Fucking Beefcake9000McLargeHuge being stopped by anything short of half a dozen zombies when he wants to haul ass? Yeah no, not happening.
>Zombies horrifyingly devour you when you get grabbed>Yet 99% of zombies are shockingly intactMakes zero fucking sense Lemmy.
>No update todayJesus Christ. Lemmy really is coasting off having mods do all the bug fixing for him.
>>1583682It's either sabotage, or lemmy is the most incompetent and retarded gay commie of all time. The patch note is 600 lines long and he still won't release it because he can only masturbate to big numbers, if an update has less than 6 gorillions lines of code he just won't release it.
>>1583762I lean towards the latter, since if I recall one of his recent melties was him screeching about how the devs will never do a bunch of small updates.
>>1580290Even if this patch note is true i'm still not gonna believe it.They said they fixed this but it's not, lemmy is fucking retarded.
>>1583816the patch isn't out yet anon
>>1583824The doors patch is already out look at 42.0.1
Current base arsenal has been tallied up, I'm gunstore-clearer anon who posted above.M9: 16JS2000: 18M14: 2M16: 2M1911: 5M36 Revolver: 3Double Barrel shotgun: 3MSR788: 7MSR700: 3DE Pistol: 2Shotgun shells: 7259mm: 2600.308: 847.223: 886.45 Auto: 1550.44: 3005.56: 1300Shitloads more ammo in the gun store, and army surplus store though that I need to bring back...
>>1583842Based
>>1583374These discussions always come back around to this. Should you do this if you intend to play the game and have fun? Yes, absolutely. Is it good for the game that half the default settings on both Survivor and Apocalypse are so hostile to players most won't be able to even learn the game before they quit out of frustration? Obviously not.
>>1583945The default settings being hard isn't even a problem, games are allowed to be hard if they want to be. But hard should not be un-fun.The issue with Zomboid's mechanics is there's no way to work around them. You brute force them until they break or you ignore them completely.Infection cannot be 'beaten' it can only be ignored and avoided. Which is a shitty mechanic because the players don't actually do anything with infection aside from loading up a backup save or debug-removing the infection.
>Devs add so many zombies to areas you cannot possibly stealth past them>You could maybe shout/honk them away but they'll wander and bite your ass someday out of the blue>So you resort to building characters designed for combat>WTF players why are you killing the zombies? This is a STEALTH game! Avoid the zombies and their bites!>Okay fine I'll use fire then?>FIRE IS AN EXPLOIT AND NOT WHOLESOME CHUNGUS! WE WILL BE NERFING FIRE NEXT!
>>1583964I will continue to hold S and D while in a car to turn into a zombie killing beyblade
>>1583988Good luck going through like 4-6 cars to clear any particular location then. Your car is going to break before the horde does, because Lemmy thinks a 2-3 ton slab of metal with 400+ horsepower is going to be crippled by some rotted boys.
>>1583991As long as you dont ram the front of the vehicle into them you can keep going for a really long time and kill hundreds of zombies no problem
>>1583994Nope, hits to the side damage the front because Lemmy got pissed off at people using the beyblade strategy.
>you will gain 0 calories when you Drink All, but you will gain calories of 12.5% when you drink 1/4. >thirst could go below 0 So if you drink again and again, you would be able to live 2 - 3 days without drinking.it's impressive how literally everything is broken
So what does the E in LCE stand for?
>>1584035ALICEAll-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment
>>1584035>>1584054posted in wrong thread, its over
What the fuck am I supposed to do with 60 boxes of 5.56 ammo?
>>1584078find an M16 and have it break after 200 shots
>>1584089I have 2 M16's but I'm worried they'll break.
>>1584097the chance is based on your aiming level so if you want to get most out of them you should level it up first
>>1584101>Shooting guns more often somehow makes chamber pressures and barrel temperatures lowerYeah that makes sense. Lemmy you fucking retard hack can you program something properly for once?I sure do love having level 5+ aiming and still requiring shots to be taken at about 5 feet tops before the reticule turns orange.
You can tell B42 isn't designed for the new zombie spawns at all. In B41 because they were all spread out a lot more, you'd usually never find 500+ in the same location.B42? There's places with about 3000 in a small area. But only 500 can be around at any point in time. So you kill 500 and 500 more pour in from the edge of your screen, even though they weren't there before.It's fucking retarded.
>>1576066>"doing it right">releases buggy unfinished dogshit anywayspeople would probably be more accepting of buggy dogshit if it didn't take you three years of working on it when it's not even what people want.
gormless
Whoever decided spears no longer instakill on crits deserves to be shot and killed. Absolutely makes spears the most useless weapons in the game unless you have some mod that like quintuples their durability.
>>1583546thats actually interesting thanks for the tip, i'll give it a try.
What games is everyone playing instead of Project Zomboid?
>>1583560this always bothered me too and there should be a passive where if a zombie connects a grab but your already in a sprint animation it should make the zombie fly forward and falltry grabbing some massive muscle master while he's moving forward full momentum you're just going to fling forward like your grabbing hold of a moving train
>see that retardnaru is doing sprinters>decide to watch out of curiosity>he's ripping a rag and gets muscle strain from itfucking lmao, lemmy continues to find ways to surprise me with how much of a fucking nigger he is
Has lemmy or any of the other devs ever said what their development philosophy is? Like why the game is balanced the way it is?
>>1584191LOL really?to be fair though the character rips clothing like thick jackets and jeans with his barehands that shit would absolutely strain you if you've been smacking zombies around or if you're a low str character not use to consistently ripping thick clothing in half.
>>1584184We even made a whole sport about trying to do that. I'm guessing Lemmy hasn't ever seen an American football game in his life
>>1584180Obenseuer
>>1584191I don't believe it until I see it, only because I don't trust them to actually make the code work for all actions
>>1583762>It's either sabotage, or lemmy is the most incompetent and retarded gay commie of all time.After seeing a glimpse of the nightmare happening under the hood, I believe the latter to be the answer.
>>1584206Here he is almost done ripping a shirt, then 10 frames later
>>1584196Players are entitled pieces of trash who should be happy he's not selling the (broken) patches of an early access game as full priced DLC
>>1584219Yeah but why is the game simultaneously designed to kill you within the first 30 days, but also has skills that take hundreds of hours to be useful?Is that intentional or did they just not notice?
>>1584219If he thinks he's getting judged unfairly now imagine how big of a tantrum he'd throw releasing this slop and making people pay for the privilege.
>>1584214Could also be workout, but I'm not sure if it gives minor strain or not
>>1584214>playing the new patch causes physical painHey at least that's realistic
>>1584221That's an easy one. They're adding a bunch of skills but not finishing them. As someone said, most of the stuff in the game is a mile wide and an inch deep.
>>1584214Just went into debug. Just ripping a sweater alone won't cause muscle strain. If he did any exercise prior, that will cause muscle strain hours later, the amount varying based on how much he did.
>>1583950The thing is, the game actually lacks difficulty, so the dev resorted to short-sighted bullshit to fix it, which turns it un-fun rather than hard.>zombies are easy to fight? Well any damage received can be a (delayed) one-shot, and now your character can't move when doing X. Cool now any minor issue with the combat system is a major one, and there's no reason to not just quit when you get scratched.>loot is too easy to find? Crank the chance of it spawning to 0.00001%. Cool, now you can get completely fucked by RNG and have a necessary item not spawn at all.>cars are too easy to find? Have most of them be wrecks. Cool, now cars are purely reliant on RNG, grinding Mechanic skills and picking Burglar as an occupation, but it's still piss easy once you find one.>skills are too easy to grind? Nerf all sources of xp. Cool, now instead of grinding for 3 hours, I have to grind for 10 because there's no way around it either way.And the new one of course>zombies are easy to avoid by walking in the woods? Just spawn a fuckton of them in random places.They could have easily replaced many of those issues with gameplay mechanics (having zombie roam in the direction of players activities, having cars make a lot of noise, have set loot amount but requiring maybe breaking a container, have more use for low tier skills, etc...) but instead they resort to cheap boring fixes which just makes the problems way more noticeable.
>>1584239Interesting. I figured it was ripping the thing because it went away as soon as he was done.
>>1584169Please understand, it took 3 years to write down that rant, didn't have the time to work on the game.
>>1584101Sounds to me like we need another gun skill: Gun Handling. At 0 skill guns breaks down after 100 shots to be realistic, you need 100000 shots to reach 10 skill and then it only breaks down every 200 shots. You also need to perform gun maintenance which takes an hour in-game time at least daily or the gun will jam permanently.
>>1584242It's not impossible that some weird combination of actions he did caused the strain to build up by ripping clothes. But under normal circumstances clothes ripping doesn't cause any strain.
>>1584198I don't think you should be able to rip thicker clothing without a knife, which would actually be realistic and not something people would complain about since finding a knife is a somewhat mandatory thing.But instead we got the wanker's cramp situation and ripping anything, will give your character a crippling injury.
These fucking retards can't balance their game to begin with, and then they add a muscle strain mechanic for literally every action in the game that they're gonna have to go through and balance (or not and let players do it themselves) instead of actually adding content and finishing the fucking game.
>B43>breathing>get strong lung strain because my breathing skill isn't at 10>eating>get crippling jaw strain and I can't eat or drink anything for 3 weeks because my eating skill isn't at 10 and I haven't read the Efficient Eating magazine>idling>my entire body is strained and I'm unable to move and crying uncontrollably because my twiddling your thumbs isn't level 10 and I haven't read the 3 different magazines related to watching paint dry.
The game is being balanced around streamers playing the game in big groups like 3 times a year and gay discord RP groups, not around solo players.
>>1584295That'd be very funny because even said streamers usually have a large solo playtime as well.
>in order to craft a forge you need a WOODEN bucket>in order to craft a bucket you need small iron bands>small iron bands are completely uncraftable currently
>>1584334It's only been in development for 3 years, please understand!
>>1584339love how you can tell exactly where this is ingame despite the paint artstyle kek
>>1584339lmao
>>1584339I like the meme where it shows someone being mobbed down by a horde and then under it is the dead rising intro where frank is taking pictures from the helicopter
>>1584357I was thinking the exact same thing. I based there in my longest run, built a huge walled compound around the parking lot.
>>1584224>>1584206Tailoring actions cause muscle strain on your necklmao
>>1584428For how long do you have to do it to get it?
>>1584339md's massgenfac... home
>>1584438Maybe like 10 consecutive actions? don't remember exactly when it starts because I only do it when I have lots of material to grind. Since you will need to grind a billion xp to level up.I don't even start with tailoring 0 anymore. The only way to get to lv1 is with the shortening socks/jeans/dress recipe. Which is boring as fuck.
Do really all cars parked near a house have a key inside?. I found a shitload of keys this waybin
>>1584593Yeah, which is good. But I don't understand why nearly every car has been left in a driveway with an empty gas tank. Who does that? Or are we to assume that people went around and siphoned all the gas before trying to escape?(as well as packing up all of their cookware and shovels)
>13 years and they haven't added bicycles or scooters
>13 years and they haven't added skateboarding
>5 more years and it'll be considered an adult, but it'll still be unfinishedIs PZ the video game equivalent of retardation?
>>1584295One issue, everybody playing MP is using really really custom sandbox settings and usually with a laundry-list of mods to go alongside it.Balancing the game for MP when nobody plays vanilla MP is retarded.The majority of people using vanilla are SP players.
90% of this game's 'difficulty' is just bullshit programmed in to fuck up your fun.Why does the character lose ability to do anything for almost any action?>Oops sorry you're vaulting a fence? Take your sweet ass time nigger because you can't push or do anything while doing the animation>Oh you pushed and it phased through a zombie? Sorry but you can't animation cancel or anything, enjoy him biting your dick off while you push the air>Trying to turn around too quickly? Ooops better run the 'scoot' animation where you can't do anything! Shame if we made you scoot INTO the zombies The game treats humans as if they are incapable of doing more than one thing at a time.
Calories ingame feel fucking retarded, you're almost always losing 1kg a day despite munching on food for hours, or turbo-fattening at 2-3kg a day because you ate one packet of chips too many.
>>1585781ever since i first started playing i've thought the food intake was nuts
Part of me wants to believe lemmy is in this thread, pretending to be a hate poster, just to satisfy some sort of masochistic self hatred of his failure.
>>1585979His ego is far too big to allow for that.
uhhh bros, where's the monthly weekdoid????
>>1586087You mean annual weekdoid?
>>1586090Yes, its been 51 days since last development blogpost and 32 since B42 update. Did they just forget?
>>1585781No one at TIS understand how calories work>You calories go to negative 2200, making currently hard as fuck to make you recover from it because regular food will have +30 "hunger", making you satiated, but only 200calories, usually can't even poke a recovery from your negative calories.Eventually, if you manage to stack on butter/fish, you will excentially be in the other side, looking for berries to fix the hunger moodle, without having to eat another 9k calories fish
>>1586105I think a big issue is that everything relies on the carbs/fat multiplier to calories. Most food has no fat/carbs in it, despite the caloric content of most foods being from those two things.
