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PhoenixXI:
https://phoenix-xi.com/home
ZenithXI:
https://www.zenithxi.com/

CatsEyeXI made the Ancestry Moogle work recently, and it's currently free to do a race swap.

>>2182839
>Ancestry Moogle

Based. Fuck my taru i'm changing to hume

>>2182851
i think it's free until the 20th or the 22nd

>>2182839
>>2182855
I am convinced that if someone was autistic enough to pump some more hours into the CatsEyeXI Wiki they would be the most popular server.
Over 70% of the playerbase would benefit from ATLEAST one half decent detailed "So heres the character progression route" player guide. I've finished nation rotz cop toau to 14 and RoV, got some jobs to 75 and now it's like what the fuck do I do in game besides try get Lord of Onzozo time of death? Daily quests? Fighting those huge domain bosses got old after the 5th one? There's no clear cut "character route" whereas with Horizon it's at least laid out for you simply. (Nations RoTZ CoP, Exping/Meriting, Weeklies, World bosses & dynamis) Am I just not cut out for CustomXI?
>join a linkshell
Yes when I have no clue what to do I'm not gonna try find a shell to be their burden

>>2182868
domain invasion for oboro weapons, you can get a craft to 100 and get a free relic weapon if you're ACE, rank 10+75 for a dring/mythos token, or oclub
Dailies are good, goblin dailies and ventures, try to make it to venture bosses so you can get the stuff to make salvage armor, etc. Server is extremely custom.

>>2182839
This isn't special to CE, the code for this has been available to anyone who wants it for 7 months

>>2182868
You have prestige levels, check that entry out
Artifact and relic augments, abjuration augments, salvage gear and salvage gear augments, and obviously you're not going to make full sets of these you're going to find the pieces you need for TP and WS sets and make those
get level 75 and rank 10 and probably do the mythos token because getting the tokens to make a mythic weapon here is retarded
obviously merits

>>2182884
How come Horizon doesn't have it?

>>2182887
Sloth, laziness, incompetence? Take your pick.

https://github.com/LandSandBoat/server/blob/base/scripts/globals/ancestry_moogle.lua

>>2182823
>because it's going to die soon
it's got fucking 3 days left in it dude

>>2182868
if you want to learn how to do shit play a support class. There's never enough bards, corsairs, summoners, or geared black mages.

>>2182868
The CatsEyeXI wiki being part of retails wiki was a huge mistake. Ancestry moogle for example, the page on the retail wiki exists but there is no "This is in CatsEyeXI Too!" symbol/notification and the same goes with a bunch of other shit, you are left just shooting in the dark, custom content/server stuff needs aggressive documentation, fucking boomers need to pay someone a few hundo just to bring it up to scratch. If the CE wiki was anywhere near the HXI wiki (which we also discovered is dog shit, Evil Weapons anyone? Lol) I'd play there all the time.

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>>2182926
someone on the HXI wiki team is having a laugh

>>2182926
Nobody who uses the wiki to play retail gives a shit about CEXI, and CEXI is supposed to be its own little sub-wiki.
I'm sure there are some rules that state not to add CEXI shit to the main wiki because I've never seen anything like that.
The CEXI landing page has its own little sub header, and nothing is in a logical place. Pretty much all of the CW shit is under the Crystal Warrior page except for the CW rewards which are just armor sets and get their own segment for no reason. If someone could go in and organize the header, add things like "Marceo's Guttable Fish" in the HELMF section, add "Allied Incursion(CW only) next to the Crystal Warrior entry, give allied incursion its own page and remove it from the CW page, do something about the fact that there is no digging documentation whatsoever and digging has its own skill level/tiers like crafting does, and the digging loot tables are slightly different from retail, and if you want to know what you can dig in a zone you have to search through the server's github page, and Oboro should have his own page, and all this other shit that gets bunched into as many bundled up pages as possible.

>>2182887
Well it's not era so that's probably the rationale.

>>2182922
Playing a caster is painful with trusts

>>2182823
Xi pservers are just a waiting room for monster and memories ea anyways

>>2183055
neither is Horizon. Aerec just picks and chooses what he wants.

>>2183059
I'm hyped for this, i hope they add half-elves as a player race.

>>2183059
They need implement proper controller support for this game I can't WAIT for this shit

>>2183059

They will screw that game up.

See pantheon rise of the fallen.

FFXI is all we have and all we ever will.

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after playing for 120 hours i had my first interaction with another player when some guy randomly gave me some gil in a wholesome gamer moment

>>2183117
Pantheon is fine.

>>2183128
gil sellers deliver now? I thought you had to meet them in bastok markets

>>2183128
>chain 1
>1560 exp
i haven't played retail since toau, what the fuck...

>>2183167
this guy doesn't even have RoV KIs yet, and is probably not using an echad ring, that number goes way way up. If you have a friend who can do exp pages for you you can just park your ass in the boyahda tree or escha zitah and have them AoE dragons and puks while you have RoVs active and go from 1-99 in about 4 hours.

>>2183129

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxp3IYoHahI&t=2s

>>2183171
idk if you missed the memo but it's in early access. M&M looks like Everquest's spiritual successor, but Pantheon has great ambience and potential.

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>>2183186

>Game announced January 13, 2014
>2026, still in early access with very little to show
>"It has potential"

>>2183117
Closed beta player here (and played EVERY playtest)

The game is miles ahead of pantheon content/groupwise and even if it maintains what could only be considered a "niche" playerbase, it will still soar much higher than Panth, panth feels like everything still requires more fleshing out whereas M&M (the available zones) already have shit loads in there with more coming

>>2183218
>literal clone of a 20+ year old game
>includes same devs
>"trust me bro it's great"

>>2183229

Why don't you let me know when it actually RELEASES instead of jerking off vaporware MMOs.

>>2183231
We're playing ffxi still. I don't think anyone minds a game being a clone of something old lol
I just want to be a wizard and blow mobs in some trio for a couple of hours on a cozy Saturday morning

>>2182823
OP is a faggot edition

>>2183167
Retail is fucked. Honestly the game would probably be ten times smoother if they removed levels and just make every monster and player the same "level" across the game world. It would least make being a new player getting randomly ass raped by level 90 monsters plopped into a zone filled with level 30 monsters less confusing

>>2183055
nigga

horizon's ENTIRE fucking server isn't era

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>>2183252

Wait you mean that people back in the day didnt farm eco warrior and Highwind every single week?

Next you're going to tell me utsusemi: ichi wasn't a 1 minute CD without yonin, and that yonin didnt actually exist back in the day until late WoTG era.

You might also tell me that hagun used to be the best samurai weapon in the game, and that paladins didn't get enlight until the same time frame as yonin.

I dont believe you.

I'm going to be honest
I don't really care about extremely minor changes
>Inb4 hagun makes or breaks the game le actually
I don't think you guys care either like nobody ever brings up pld refresh when they didn't have that until today which is probably more impactful than most of the shit you fags scream about

>>2183283
Like I wish they went a step further if anything like changing drk to actually make it casting elemental spells not be a waste of time.
Making Sam actually able to tank
Maybe give war cleave weapon skills so we can use anything else but blm for aoe strats
Mostly changes to the boring ass one note melee desu

>>2183283
i'm generally okay with paladin buffs because it's hard to get motherfuckers to tank as is so any little incentive helps.

>>2183167
I think the most exp I got on retail during a campaign with an exp ring was like 24000 off of a wamoura in Mt Zhayolm that was like 18 levels above me.

Like either go actual era+ or stick to era. What's the point of moving things over by 1 for no reason like is making warrior the braindead abuse +tp weapon instead of Sam really that different lol

>>2183283
>minor
you are an idiot

>>2183371
The meta was the exact same
The good jobs are still good and the bad jobs are still bad.
Every job has the same role
The only change is smn being op but that's every pserver curse from broken eminty systems
It's the same game but you're too stupid

>>2183390
>The meta was the exact same
it's not but ok

>>2183390
retard

> it was different except no it wasn't
*Yawn*

> I think I'm not retarded but I actually am
*Yawn*

>>2183392

>Make changes to encourage people to use different subjobs as melee
Result: Everyone still goes /nin or /sam

>Make Hagun useless
Result: People never use Hagun and its basically worthless

>Increase Utsu CD time
Result: Huge nerf to NIN mains so they tried to band aid fix it with yonn, which brought it near to what it was but nerfed nin mains damage (LOLOLOL) whilst people still use /nin almost exclusively because shadow is a stupid broken mechanic that should have never existed in the first place.

Yeah nice changes you fuckin retard

Best food for exping on paladin, soemthing less than 10k/stack? Do I just keep eating the Rice Dumpling?

>>2183415
Tacos or anything with fish in them. I thought fish kabobs were good tank food but it's been years.

>>2183412
The utsu CD time only hurts nin melee which nin shouldn't even do and makes slightly more openings for non nin to actually be damaged which I would assume your fine with bitching about /nin afterall
Why do you guys pretend nin tanking was hurt by the CD nerf when they won out at the end. You should be /rdm and wheeling. Also the mb buffs and slight gear adjustments overall made nin a tad stronger job than era.
Who cares about hagun, war and Sam fill the same role as melee dd and they just moved that niche to war. It's the same shit, I feel like you guys are fucking actually retarded to think this is a big deal.
Melee are still one note tp feeders relegated to a small part of the game.
The game is still dominated by magic jobs
Brd and rdm are still the best jobs
The only actual meta difference from now and 20 years ago is smn spamming because of eminty issues

>>2183415
rice dumplings are really good.
Ikra gunkan ideally, but that's endgame food.
Dorado sushi

>>2183415
Defense is a good stat until the mid 50s when stats start to across the board inflate which than you can't keep up with monster attack.
You can rice dumplings if you want but also abusing that fact and getting defense food while you still can is valid

>>2183412
retard

Oh wait I forgot you guys are retarded and think nin is a melee job and not a caster with the gimmick of no mp but uses consumables as magic
It would make sense then if you think nin had a major nerf like it's still isn't the better tank of the two in xp even with the recast nerf or melee acc debuff with yonin anyways

>>2183455
Ninja is a solo job, the rest of you are just the help

>inb4 I'm too poor to wheel
Why the fuck are trying to main the consumables job than. Genuinely do you fags hear yourself. Just be a worthless melee nin to 37 and switch off for /sub

the ninjutsu acc bonus Lord Aerec-P put into the game made nin/rdm essentially unresistable

and that massively out of era ninjutsu skill adding to damage doesnt help

niggas HATE fake era servers

>>2183468
Nin is easily a top 5 job on horizon, like any nm in the game is completely destroyed by 2-3 of them kiting. You could main rdm brd nin smn blm and you are eating good.
Saying it was nerfed massively because melee nin have like a minor acc debuff when they activate yonin is so incorrect lol

>>2183465
just craft, all of those tools are cheap to make. People think they need the fucking juden house for everything.

>>2183468
>cmon guys fuck wings i got a better idea for a server
>yeah guy com with me it'll be alright guy

Horizon useful Job tier list in terms of actually being invited to content lowman and alliance, or soloing or whatever
S+: Smn rdm brd
S:Nin blm
A: whm drg thf
b: pld rng bst mnk
Merit cuck shed: war Sam drk
>Noooooooooo actually my ls melee burns dyna and it only takes us 20 mins longer with 5 more people than the lowman blm burn
>Actually erm isn't thf s++ since you always need one in anything with more than 4 people
Seethe

>>2183512
you got an opinion tier list for people who don't play on Aerec's cuckshed server?

>>2183512
DRK has more utility than you think, it doesnt really belong in the cuck shed

>>2183512
no one cares about a tier list for a fun box server.

>>2183734
i care. let me know when there's a list for phoenix so i know what to level first.

>>2183737
SsSsS tier:
RDM, BRD

BLM tier:
BLM

The only DD you'll ever need tier:
SAM

Tank Tier:
NIN >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLD

Shit Tier:
everything else

>>2183742
yeah yeah nin is better than paladin until you fight things that need a paladin.

>>2183742
maybe it's time to do bard and accept my cuck status once and for all...

>>2183759
pulling bard >>>>>>>>>>>>> stand there like a faggot bard

>>2183761
pulling is way more fun than standing there. i'm not sure how anyone plays bards just standing there unless they're doing wfh or something.

>>2183433

>You should be wheeling in parties and throwing gil away for no reason

Lol kys, no reason for their to be a melee debuff just to be able to play the job like it normally was.

Also wasn't the ENTIRE reason for this change to try to open up jobs to use different subjobs? You are literally telling nin mains to only do one way of playing once they hit 37, that is paradoxical to the change that was implemented in the first place you fucking troglodyte retard.

>Hagun nerf no big deal

Arbitrary change for no real reason other than to screw Sam players lol ok retard, why not nerf Joyeuse / K club / Apoc whilst we are at it?

>Still dominated by magic jobs

And why did Aerec in his infinite wisdom NOT nerf SMN but instead buff them?

>BRD and RDM still best

Whats your point retard? talk to Aerec, he had 4 years to do something about that but hasn't done shit

>Enmity issues

YES exactly, so why nerf nin mains damage for wanting to play their job as a melee?

You are brainless.

>>2183773

Howto bard:

Song > alt tab and jork > song > alt tab and watch youtube > song > alt tab and take a quick poop > song > rinse repeat.

Also if you aren't a naked galka whilst doing this you are barding wrong.

>>2183816
Im not reading all that bro. Just cast spells on the caster job
It's so much better I seen relic almost bis nins go about on par with only medicare geared no relic actual melee

>>2183128
I dis this last year
put 69,420 gil into a bunch of New Years Pouches and hand them out to new players

>>2183167
you get 200 exp per Even Match kill in today's Retail
If you fight very tough enemies (which is easy if you're using Trusts) then you'll get easily 500-600 BASE exp
with echad ring (150% bonus) you get 1250-1500 and then you get the chain bonus which I don't know how much that is.
Compare that to retail's 100 exp per kill, exp spread out to everyone in the party (~0.35 in a party of 6) and exp rings that only go up to 100% extra, and you can barely reach 300 when fighting very tough enemies
This doesn't even mention Rhapsodies which give 30% extra exp each, and there's 5 of them so 150% extra. And 30 repeatable quests which give free 100-300 exp for literally just killing 10 things. And chain bonus which can potentially give you 300% extra exp during yearly Chain Events. and RoV books which gives you even more exp just for killing 10 things in an area
Retail's levelling experience is a little busted now

>>2183989
Retail leveling experience is master levels. square could add a moogle that auto levels you to 99 if you talked to it and it would have the same value.

>>2183989
and gain experience, and some chode with scissormeXerxes doing the cricket AoE move on 50 dragons and some puks too and getting like 6 levels a pull

>>2183995
well sure, but it's still like a 30 hour grind for newfags who just started the game and have no idea what to do. I'd much prefer the levelling be quick rather than instant, otherwise you'd get retards popping into level 99 content with only stone and poison as BLM, or as a completely naked WAR who doesn't even know that Provoke exists. The small amount of time you spent levelling is important for at least learning how the game works. Now if they just made it so you if you get to level 99 on one job and then you can skip to 99 on every other job, I think that would be ok.

>>2182823
I never played and XI and want to give it a try. Should I play on Catseye or Horizon?

>>2183128
which server?

>>2184021
Wait for Phoenix. Horizon is no longer being updated. Catseye is a fun box. You should wait for a server that is going to emulate the real thing and be updated on a regular basis.

>>2184021
get the free trial for retail first, and if you feel like you want to interact with people more then join a private server

>>2184049
I played the free trial last year and had a lot of fun, but I didn't have enough time to get past level 10. I started in Bastok.
Now I want to play again, but I don't want to give any money to SQE. Catseye looks good because of the Trusts and faster EXP (perfect for playing with a friend), but Horizon looks more like the "real" authentic experience.

>>2184062
if you want the "real" authentic experience, then you should wait for Phoenix. Otherwise if you just wanna go at (relatively) your own pace, or with a friend, then you can play Catseye. Hell, if you really feel like busting your balls then play as a Crystal Warrior in Catseye and be forced to craft all of your gear yourself

>>2184073
So if I choose Catseye I can explore all the story (cutscenes, dialogues, etc.) and all the other stuff with my bro? And we can enjoy all the stuff just two of us with this npc trust dudes?

>>2184062
horizon is as fake as catseye is.

>>2183820
you can make macro to increase the amount of time you have away from your computer

>>2183816
ninjutsu cost like 3k for a stack of 99, it's not even that bad. Hell you could just level up your alchemy and make infinite for cheap on the go

>>2184085
no. If you want to play the story then you have to get retail
also pretty much this >>2184089 pservers are all just varying levels of faggotry

>>2184025
phoenix

I want a circa 2003 Zilart only server complete with the pre-ranger distance buff, multihit tp return, no exp rings, and 1.0 exp rates and crafting skill up rates.

>>2184157
dragoon hands typed this post

>>2184085
>>2184101
catseye has all the story for the base game, first expac, second expac (youtube promathia boss fight if you wanna see some real epic) then smatterings of the rest as and where needed, it's definitely "enough" don't be doubted

t. guy who did the same thing with his bros

>>2184045
Horizon is more of a funbox than Catseye. Every no name rando has a relic.

>>2184172
You have to work for it on Horizon, it's just that the server has been sitting on 1 year and 7 months worth of content for 3 years so people are way too overgeared.

>>2184178
lmao. Have you even played on Horizon? The server generates dynamis currency like candy at rates much higher than era.

>>2184193
And people have had multiple years to farm Dynamis and have multiple alts to farm on.

>>2184197
Right so you don't have to "work for it". It is a fucking easy mode baby server where shit is handed to you at much higher rates.

>>2184021
Do retail for the story. Horizon for the community. Catseye if you want to have fun. Don't wait on servers not released.

>>2184316
Don’t listen to anon. Retail then wait for Phoenix. Horizon is a joke and actually a waste of your time.

>>2184377
All games are a waste of your time. At least if he plays on Horizon, he can build relationships that'll carry over to Phoenix. Most retail players stay away from private servers.

>>2183874

I dont care about your trash end game clown, your server is trash period.

>>2183874
we're on medical thank you

>>2184380

>Relationships
lol, like what? waiting 5 hours for a dune party?

Aint no one new going to horizon unless they have a group of friends at this point.

>>2184427
I've made so many friends* on Horizon!
*people to schizopost about on 4chan

>>2184422
Wasn't even talking about endgame, you gigantic retarded nigger. Most relationships are formed when you're leveling, something retail doesn't have since you just play solo with trusts.

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>>2184456

>"Wasn't talking about endgame"

>"It's so much better I seen relic almost bis nins go about on par with only medicare geared no relic actual melee"

Are you dumb, stupid, retarded, or just have down syndrome?

Imagine a ffxi server where you cannot use sneak/invis spells or items to cheese through every zone

Wings was great
Horizon is fucking gay.

>>2184709
I re-rolled on Eden because it feels like there's no where else to play and I couldn't remember my old login details.

>>2184711
I want to live in a timeline where Gweivyth died from ass aids and development continued on Wings, they finished WoTG missions, and Horizon was never a thing.

>>2184477
Wasn't me but idk you're still coping regardless
Only a retard actually melee nins

>>2184700
Imagine a FFXI server where you can only play the game in first person mode

>>2184942
It would make the game shit instantly

>>2184709
>arrow burns
No

>>2185022

You know that was a thing in Eden too right?

>>2184911

How did you end up living long enough to breathe being this stupid? just curious.

>>2185022
You know this was a thing in retail too, right?
>t ranger who did 1-75 in 2003/4 on a mostly worms, bees, and bats static

>>2185017
imagine a game where the devs don't give a shit about what the players think

>>2184715
Don't you love Gweivyth destroying Wings because he refused to step down?

Sounds familiar with a new server that has been sitting with no substantial new content in two years.

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>>2185276
I was banned for making my linkshell named Niggas in Paris on horizon, lol
I long for a place to play in which I am not targeted for the language I use.

>>2185278
Aerec is just Gweivyth 2.0

>>2185289
This didn’t happen. The game stops you from using this word in a linkshell name. Nice LARP tho.

When will Retail servers shut down?

>>2185297
proof??

>>2185297
I know man, I went with "Noggaz in Baris" and didn't last past the second /yell in Bastok - but believe what you want I'm playing retail ALONE

Why everyone here only talk about private servers? why you guys are so poor..

>>2185308
Schizos need a place to post their fanfics.

>>2185308
Imagine thinking we avoid retail because of the monthly cost, not that is a cesspool of bots and people multiboxing an alliance.

>>2185317
Every server have it's issues, there is no perfect ffxi server.

>>2185320
At least private server staff have active GM teams that attempt to fight against bots instead of letting them run the entire server. I don't even want SE to make an official classic FFXI because they will do nothing about the gil sellers and hackers.

>>2185296

There has not been a single post more truthful on 4chan in its entirety in the past 10 years.

>>2185327
Those are my paying customers! - SE, probably

>>2185276
They would make the game that they want. Thankfully that hasn’t happened yet for the retarded game you want.
Hopefully it never does.

>>2184711
Back then, it was a thing. People did a run through Castle Zvahl at level 50 cap as an unofficial community event, without sneak or invisible.

>>2185317
retail is crazy because you have people that pay for like 17 mules just to get the login stuff for easy mythic weapons when they're available
And then these people will tell you how shit old FFXI was and how much better it is getting shit just for logging on

>>2185687
perhaps we should appreciate the multiboxers who singlehandedly pay that one last guy's salary on SE's team

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>>2185308
Because no retail era server.
Image if there was official SE era servers they'd make some bank immediately.
SQNNY stock needs to fall some more lol

>>2183248
It wasn't like that in the past. That's a modern retai lthing that came with the 99 cap. SE just randomly changed it to give people more exp camps, and old content and newfags were absolutely not part of the equation at all (they never are nor will be, it's just their dedicated balding boomer 12accounters who they design things for and let bot and rmt 24/7).

In the golden era, every zone had mobs that went up progressively and slowly across the zone, with usually subtle or obvious demarcations when there was going to be a jump in monster strength. It's just one reason everyone says ret*il is soulless slop.

>>2183269
>>2183329
>>2183390
I hate horizon faggots so much. All these random changes and promised balance, just to keep dev pet jobs broken/brokener and only nerf things they don't like. Total niggerec death

>>2183415
I don't think pld gets any 3hr cheap def food. Just use the cheapest def food (crayfish)

>>2183737
Isn't Phoenix staying hard era? Should be obvious in that case.

>>2184157
based zenith GAWD

>>2184700
Based actually. I imagine the meta is someone is or subs thf and is a dedicated flee saccer who has to eat a death and flee back in again but this time to zone

>>2184709
>>2184711
>rangedburnslop
at least horizon while being utter dumpster tier, managed to not be a worthless Indianjeet shitriver with
that trash

>>2185918
You dont like everyone going nin/rdm and dpsing more than a blm while tanking for free?

>>2185982
dogshit server

>>2185982
these fags are just so gay, so much preaching and promising, did absolutely nothing about magic and utsu spam, so lame

Have you guys messed around with XIM at all? Seems pretty fun from what I've played.
https://aamace.itch.io/xim

>>2186029
It is pretty neat

>>2186029
yeah the minotaur is raping me they take 0 damage, binding and sleeping isn't feasible since they absorby basically 0 mp, if I'm supposed to find a singular hyper specific skillchain/mb to use here I'm probbaly just gonna drop it here, way too niche for this

>>2186042
What I did was ping pong back and forth between the 2 of them, I used sleep to mitigate damage while dealing damage to each one at a time. I don't have a hard number for when they start reducing the damage they take but it felt like if one was 20% lower than the other, then they'd barely take any damage. Swapping between the 2 every 20% made it not so bad. They have fairly small health pools that way

>>2186054
Wth kind of mechanic is this was this in the original game? Lol. Kinda not interested in that kinda mystery mechanics when there's no real lore-hits behind it at all.

>>2186060
I don't think that mechanic is in the ENM fight, I just went "fuck it, if it's not taking any damage then I might as well damage the other one then" and it worked out.

>>2186065
well, guess I'll keep it in mind if I rev it back up but I did get kinda tired of the BLU spell spam

>>2186029
its cool, but
>scale UI
>mouse is now desynced from game window
>can't mouse over skills to see what they do anymore
I hate this.

Phoenix Server reaching 1k members lets goooo!

>>2186235
Where are we going?

>>2185982
>Arrow burn bad
>Ele wheel good
Just as BAD

>>2185885
Catseye would be a really good server if they
Got rid of trusts
Got rid of free relics for getting 100 crafting
Got rid of free dring/oclub/mythos token
Did a full server wipe
Got rid of login points rewards and echad ring

>>2186321
And keep Rhapsodies but get rid of KIs and sparks

>>2185941
Retail had arrow burns too you shitlord. Horizon is just a custom server. It's like Nasomi but somehow even gayer

>>2185924
other than PUP having A in H2H instead of C, yeah, it's "era accurate"
Although the STR to Attack conversion, DEX/AGI to Accuracy/Evasion conversion, and the single-handed/two-handed damage limit kept changing throughout the years in retail so who knows if they're gonna keep it actually era accurate, or just to the best of their abilities accurate. The least-annoyingly-accurate.

>>2186029
it's rad, but the controls suck even more ass than default xi

>>2186060
I think it's either the golem fights in Pso'Xja, or some other Odyssey fight or some shit that it's based on, but it is in fact a mechanic in retail

>>2186350
>inb4
OKAY GUYS you can have ONE MOG WARDROBE
OKAY GUYS you can have TWENTY-ONE AH SLOTS but NO MORE and only until the economy stabilizes(they don't ever revert it)
OKAY GUYS we're going to implement these QUEER HAIR STYLES but ONLY ONE PER EACH MODEL so you can let everyone know how ENORMOUSLY GAY YOU ARE
OKAY GUYS we are implementing SCHOLAR AND DANCER, but ONLY SCHOLAR AND DANCER, NO OTHER WOTG. I MEAN IT GUYS, no ERS groups no kaustra/embrava, no dancer getting dual wield at 20 and using it on other jobs NO i said no

I started CatseyeXI now (after played the trial of retail) and somehow there is no intro and I just start somewhere in the city.

Are the starting quests gone?

>>2186470
Are you ACE, CW or WeW? You can just crack on with nation missions at the gate-guards typically. I think you get your city ring at level 1 though which is convenient.

>>2186473
CatsEyeXI Accelerated

>>2186490
Yeah I think your first port of call is A Matter Of Trust(s) quests & Nation missions etc, I can't even remember the "starting quests" in the nations on retail - hit the gate guard with red hair (if you are sandy) by the sparks vendors etc and do the 5 small quests that give you meat jerky and emperor band too

>>2186493
based anon. I will try it later.

>>2186500
you would hand in the thing they gave you for the starting npc and he would give you the chocobo beret/shirt, i think CEXI blocked sparks for new players because RMT were abusing it so you'd have to get to rank 5 i think? kinda gay, but w/e, go outside get level 5, come back in, talk to the trusts npc, go to the second npc, go outside, summon it, go back to the second npc, etc etc
idk how new players start there without getting the starter trusts

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Using /heal for auto reg... I have so much to learn.

>>2186533
Are you cyrus?

Is it possible to find challenges in current retail?

>>2186548
wat?

>>2186553
yeah, retail is a lot more difficult than private servers are. Private server has kiddie pool mechanics and old content people have done 100 times.

>>2186570
Its only more difficult because you need to pay for 17 extra accounts.

>>2186579
no it's more difficult because retail has a lot more mechanics and most of the fights are gear checks.

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Soloing my way to 30 on my HC character, War/monk is surprisingly strong solo, killing EMs at 21 no problem.

>>2186586
Just pay the Chinese to 18 box the content for you like everyone else does

>>2186236
buburimu peninsula

>>2186579
it's 5 more accounts, retard

Do people do group content on catseye or is it just solo and treat the multiplayer part of the game like a glorified chat room?
What's a good job that get invited on that server?

>>2186407
Phoenix isn't an Aerec server so none of that will happen

>>2186658
Watch out for the pedo on staff!

>>2186652
Pretty much anyone can group with anyone on catseye so if you see someone doing something you need just ask for an inv honestly, the level sync isn't too cucked and people are always doing venture exp/prestiging etc or just hit {party} {can I have it?} in the ACE Linkshell and you are rolling

>>2186664
They banned them thankfully, the staff member that was is removed.

>>2186350
I doubt square could do a full 100% era accurate version of the game knowing how companies keep old code and how often 11 changed with very little documentation of said changes
Retail and 2004 ffxi are two completely different games from meta, to every formula

>>2186694
Every pserver that says it's 100% accurate is just lying to you and guessing going off of their gut feeling and actual fucking wiki changelogs who are written by other people going off of gut feeling and hazy memories from 15-20 years ago

>>2186695
retail is a private server?

>>2186722
Interesting! so it's ok if everyone else does it...

>>2186751
The way people make excuses for human scum is pathetic.

>deleted
naruhodo...

>>2186635

It is so annoying that people don't realize how good this place is, those crawlers are juicy AF no cap.

So the jannies delete a message about a pedo on Zenith yet keep one saying the same thing about Phoenix staff?

>>2186800
They only delete lies, not the truth.

>>2186811
Well that's blatantly false considering what they deleted. I've seen proof of the Zenith one on the extinct drama subreddit, I've yet to see a single ounce of proof for the Phoenix one.

>>2186816
proof??

Bro IDC about your drama, stop same fagging
>He's a pedo
Nigga I see borderline cp hentai every time I open /v/ stop moral fagging here

>>2186630
Sounds like Asura

>>2186652
CWs tend to group up often to do stuff, whereas ACE only group up if they really have to. All the ACE are antisocial and bad at the game.

Phoenixsisters? Our smear campaign??

>>2185229
>>2185075
I want to know how this is supposed to be a justification for burn parties. It is 100% objective that sitting in a corner doing nothing while 4 other people burn a mon with the same attack was not the intended way to play the game, nor is it fun unless you’re one of those degenerates who thinks the game is only the endgame and your character should be level 75 by default.

>>2186920
Why would burn parties not be allowed? Square designed the game after eq and people burned with wizards in that game
It's not like they didn't know people wouldn't stack damage

>>2186923
A manaburn party and a burn party are two different things. When I say burn parties I am referring to the type that skips the entire leveling process, not actually puts an effort and strategy to kill mobs and form chains.
Astral flow burns for example, were no different to abyssea afk parties

>>2186920

People will always choose the path of least resistance, i was never making any claims about it being good lol, im just saying wings wasn't the only server that allowed it to occur.

>>2186923
People didn't just burn with wizards they swarm kited all sorts of things. PL damage shield and pbaoe damage claiming massive groups of mobs, and then there were bards who were just like "yeah this whole zone belongs to me now"

>>2187008
Leveling is boring once you done it once, maybe twice. It's also not really something that takes any actual thought even if you didn't burn, it just tends to be slower or the same speed if every player is actually awake. I been in blm mb I pull, pld vokes, I start chain, melee close and we blow it up relatively fast before in the 30s-60. It's really really easy to do, but it only takes one retard that doesn't understand 1 thing and it becomes miserable
Let the boys burn, who cares. Staring at digital beetles bats and birds for more hours add nothing
If you want to make xp more interesting change mobs and camps to let us fight more things first

>>2186327
That's different. The private servers terribly fail to emulate proper stats, and are especially fucked up on worms, so all these servers took advantage of that. And the ranged formula was broken to the point it still made sense to ranged even in merit parties on shit like DRK and WAR lol.

>>2187280
Wings put too much Macc on holy bolts and so we were able to shred bees and everything else in the 30s on any class that could use them.
I remember on wings doing thief from 24-75 in bolt burn parties in Attohwa Chasm, and people did the same thing on Eden in Wadi.
I did 1-75 pre- level sync in a static with 3 other rangers, a bard, and a whm and we did it in 6 weeks.

>>2186661
there are pedos IN THIS VERY THREAD
He could be you, he could be me, he could even be

I play retail because I am Japanese

>>2187388
He is here. And his bootlickers.

>>2187390
Imagine the Japanese government breaking into your apartment, skipping over your lolicon porn and dragging you to the local gulag because you have an unauthorized copy of FFXI on your computer and then you get put in a cell with some guy with Yakuza tattoos

>>2187400
Nice try, Kipling.

>>2187403
intellectual property theft is a civil issue, the police won't take you in for civil issues. You'd either get cease and desist first and/or a court summons and have to deal with it in the legal system. If you refuse to pay or show up to court then the cops will drag you in
Would be funny though, and it does happen to particularly naughty japanese people who seed terabytes of files without 7 layers of proxies

>>2187400
0 players

>>2187423
the perfect server

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Hey guys come play Zenith with me and my age gap boyfriend

Meds time.

>>2187379
Yeah after seeing the shout spam for arrow burns on both servers, I just kinda lost interest.

>>2187505
who the fuck is this kek

I know this is a dumb question, but: does anyone stream this game who isn't a huge fag? Like, just not a tranny or giga-sperg at a minimum?

>>2187561
Probably. Just go into twitch and check them out. I've seen some decent guys make vids on youtube that seemed like they'd be alright to watch, though I never sought out streams besides watching one jap play on Horizon for a bit.

>>2187561
I'm the biggest sperg pls sub to me uwu

>>2187561
bro there's like 4 FFXI streamers on twitch at any time of the day just go and look

Phoenix server just got more and more people! The numbers won't stop growing. I'm getting excited that this could be the one. Some of the newest people even happen to have coding experience. Great job guys i'm pretty happy about this. Even conversations about some folks maining PUP is happening now. Go Phoenix!

>>2187593
Shut the fuck up Discord faggot.

>>2187600
mad?

>>2186029
I'm at the Shadow Lord and this game is hard as FUCK.

>>2186800
>>2186816
The bias is real. We ran a test and got the expected results lol

XIM players what's the deal with mining? What do I do with the ore/rocks/crystals I got from it?

Also I got stuck on the snoll, is that just a DPS check, or am I missing something there?

>>2187787
use the fire crystals to craft accessories and upgrade them

>>2187836
Oh cool, thanks bro.

>>2187838
yeah no problem. the snoll is also a dps race, yeah.

>>2187839
Yeah I tried to synthesize from the menu and it didn't work, didn't think to use the fire crystal from the inventory, though when you mentioned it it felt obvious.

someone forked XIM and added multiplayer

ffxi.jaku.tv

>>2187544
Connie conehead in a wig

>>2187561
Streamers and trannies/turbo artists have this massive attention seeking overlap, I'd just prefer we not have streamers on my server.

>>2187403
>anon says they play retail because he is Japanese
>another anon replies to it making up a story in his head that doesn't apply to the person they're replying to
Kek. Mentally challenged.

>>2187593
Shut the fuck up Winter.

>>2187540
Rangers were always retardedly strong, I remember bibiki parties with 1.5k slug shots at 60 and even higher on wings/Eden/horizon because of attack scaling from double mins, chaos roll, and kohlrouladen

>>2187928
Shut the fuck up Kipling

What XIM proved to me is the XI has the best RPG systems and combat mechanics of any RPG. When you play this game in slow-mo it feels like classic ATB just with so much more mechanical depth than those old games ever provided. You can even pause it and play it like a pseudo turn-based game, or you can play it in full speed and it feels like an action game, hell it feels better than XVI as an action game, and unlike that game it feels distinctly Final Fantasy. You could use this for a traditional RPG, an action RPG, and dungeon crawler, a roguelike, you can even do a Survivor game since those are popular ATM.

I want to see more projects like this, they could take all the Final Fantasy stuff out and spin it off into an indie game that can't be C&D'd and I wish that they do, there's a lot of potential here.

>>2187973
FF12's systems were pretty similar iirc, and gambits were kind of like trust magic and automaton parameters.

>>2187544
Her name is Setsuko. She groomed a 16 year old named Snow on Eden as a 43 year old woman.

Who did what to who?
Huh? Who? Huh? Huh?

>>2188021
Her name is Setsuko. She groomed a 16 year old named Snow on Eden as a 43 year old woman.

>>2188029
who? who? did huh?
who? huh, who?
what? who? huh?

>>2188029
She groomed a 40 year old man LARPing as a 16 year old on Eden?

>>2187984
Obviously I've played XII before, I just think XI's systems are better and more robust and would love to see it applied to more games. There's so much here and XIM is really good at teaching you how everything works. If you can clear the first tower in XIM you've got to have a pretty good understanding of how XI's core mechanics work.

I like it a lot, and yeah I agree, I hate trusts and if you replaced trusts with gambit controlled party members you could do a full party RPG using this system and it could be great. With gambits when the the AI does well you have the satisfaction of having set that up yourself, you had to understand the systems well enough to make it act like that, and if the AI is doing something you don't like you can change it. Additionally you could have the ability to switch which character you're currently directly controlling and let the gambits take over the others like we had in XII and the VII remakes.

Anyway I thoroughly enjoyed XIM, but alright, enough gushing.

>>2188083
I had skills, and money, and wasn't a lazy bastard, I'd make a game like ff12 but heavily focused on the programming your party members part

Is it true that nobody play on retail except multiboxers and bots and cheaters? is playing on retail a waste of time?

>>2188115
maybe 66% normal people 33% multiboxers/cheaters. Probably closer to 50/50 on Asura/Bahamut/Odin

>>2188117
Ok, thanks anon.

>>2188117
I'd agree if by normal people you're including dualboxers, but if by normal people you mean strictly people playing a single character at a time it'd be much lower. There are a ton of people who have a pocket healer they pull out on occasion, but there are relatively few people who roll out a full party/alliance of characters which they control with send macros.

If you're looking at total population it'd be like 10% mains 90% alts, and the break down would be like 30% people who only play a single character at a time, 65% dual boxers, 5% multibox armies with 6~18 characters they play simultaneously.

>>2188115
the only people not botting and cheating are the nips.

Horizon needs to nerf subjob BST into the fucking ground. Subjob charm should be macc=0
Who in their gay fucking mind thought this would be a good idea? Antisocial fucking faggots everywhere with their fucking charm pets running around soloing.

>>2188218
I'm surprised there are still people who haven't given up on Horizon yet.

>>2188228
I wanted to try it, it's definitely a massive downgrade from the Wings server.

>>2188229
Well I mean Horizon had a ton of potential when it opened but the server (still) has a ton of issues and its become abundantly clear, as months turned into years, without any of them being resolved, that the staff lacks the desire/ability to address any of them.

>>2187973
I was shocked just how much I enjoyed XIM because the core XI combat really is that good. XIM is like this weird amalgamation of XI, XIV, and Souls games but it feels so natural and good to play and the core is all FFXI. It's just the encounter design for later bosses that feels more XIV and the difficulty that reminds me of Souls games because some of the later bosses are very challenging in a good way and they never feel unfair, just that you've yet to figure out how to properly handle the mechanic with the insanely large BLU toolkit you're been given.

I've seen people call it a roguelike but it's more like Stranger of Paradise with FFXI as the base.

>>2188003
i want her to groom me, my body is ready

>>2188233
it's about the same quality-wise as CatseyeXI, and the populations are like when i play Horizon's about 1000 people and Catseye's about 600-700 people, though because CE has trusts and DB it's lower, but because of the content CE has there's always something to do whereas on Horizon it's either exp party or afk in jeuno.
On CE it's solo with trusts or ventures(exp party) or ventures(mana burn) or HELM/fishing ventures if you're a CW there's allied incursion(level cap exp party) or all of the above and there's people doing these even in the middle of the night, and you can go even if your gear is shit, they don't care.

>>2188290
of the 1000 people online on Horizon 150 of them are bot fishers, another 150 are /bst soloing exp and 600 of them are AFK in Jeuno or elsewhere.

>>2188003
Kipling still obsessed with Setsuko two (three?) years later after banning her for denying to sext with him is so pathetic.

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>>2188291

You forgot the other 200 gil printing to get to the fabled 999 million gil, synthing for 16 hours per day while watching netflix and eating cheetohs.

XIM bros, what's the deal with the memory receptacle? I'm feeling lost as to how to deal with this encounter. The boss itself takes no damage, when I try to kill the adds one-by-one Selh'teus dies before the last one is down, when I try to kill them at the same time I die since they seem immune to sleep. Not sure how I'm supposed to tackle this.

>>2188210
The Japanese players are not even using Windower, which means that are not using gear swap or any of the other important stuff.

>>2188393
Japs gear swap with macros, they refuse to use third party tools.

>>2188393
that's what i was told, the nips don't use any addons whatsoever, they're like the amish of ffxi

>>2188370
Nobody cares

>>2188393
>important stuff
Its because japanese players prefer not to cheat using automation. I respect them for that. I hate the NA playerbase that p

>>2188405
multiboxes got him...

>>2188370
It's basically just a DPS race, you need to kill the 3 adds before the memory receptacle. I pulled them back the stairs 1 by 1 using one of the ranged BLU spells and I more or less tanked it where I pulled it from and then kited it back towards the entrance while running out of AoEs and then doubled back to where I pulled him from, if you can't run out of an AoE then stun it but save that for emergencies. I think I went with the one on the right first, then the middle, then the one that summons the adds on the left last. IIRC the one on the right dispels so I liked doing that one first because I could rebuff after I killed it, remember that you can hit H to heal if you need MP back between kills.

>>2182823
>play retail for a few weeks
>all i see are multiboxers afking in cities, blatant bots running circles in zones and mercs advertising in shout
>amount of actual players I saw out in zones can be counted on one hand
>havent typed as much as a word in chat

>play horizon for a few weeks
>already made a dozen friends i play with on a regular basis and a cool helpful ls
And retail shills are trying to gaslight me into thinking that the former is the superior experience LMAO

>>2188485

Retail FFXI = 90% single player 10% multiplayer
Pserver "Classic" FFXI = 90% multiplayer 10% singleplayer

Why are there so many WHM shills in this thread? Are they cureburn fags?

>>2188485
>>play horizon
my condolences

>>2188233
Horizon had the ability before launch. Then the other staff members realized what it was like to run a live server alongside Aerec and bailed out. Aerec won't lift a finger to do the work himself, so here we are on year 4 of CoP.

At this point, who fucking cares if the rebase finishes and ToAU comes out on Horizon? The server economy and playerbase are already fucked from having no content to do for two years. It's never going to recover no matter how much they huff copium. But its okay okay, they'll fix the economy by making all the players dump their resources into this war effort slop.

>>2188501
Dont care, having fun.

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Just a friendly reminder of the day, Aerec said prior to horizon launch that ToAU will release 6 months post launch, it is now close to 4 years.

>>2188521
It is because he drove away everyone capable of doing the work for him. Now they are doing it on another server. At this point, Horizon is just the only "current" thing so people can't move on. Once something decent comes along that actually gets updates unlike Horizon, you will probably see the server get decimated.

>>2188485
It is what it is. Ffxi lost its soul with abyssea everyone knows that, and wotg was already the decline. What's really sad that if their was official classic era servers it would be a bigger mess than a pserver with no restrictions to multiboxxing rampant gil selling or gms
Horizon staff are fags but that's still miles better than no gms
>Inb4 bottng and gil selling happens on pservers
Well yeah policing will always be difficult but it would be 100x worse
>That's only asura
It's ever server, stop the cope

>>2188485
Only time I really tried retail I asked someone for help on something and he told me to use trusts and replied "can't lead a horse to water" and walked off to continue his pve video game with this annoying multiplayer component
I say something in catseye and horizon I get like 7 tells within a minute
Only golems play retail pretending they really achieved something finally getting a relic now that it's a freebie 20 years later

>>2188500
cureburns aren't real. You've never cured the schnitters.

>>2188554
Abyssea was peak FFXI and you only hate it because it broke your precious 75 cap.
Level 90/95 cap, end of WoTG, peak Magian Trials, VNM and VWNM, empyrean weapons, empyrean armor, +2 relic armor

>>2188640
>I only dislike it because it killed 80% of the games content and now lets you solo the entire last 8 years worth of game, ruining the progression of the entire storyline
Uh yeah than they released ilevels and killed all content a second time and are now desperately adding in shitty knockoff dyna 2 and limbus 3 or whatever it is

>>2188642
A lot of the 75 stuff was still relevant even at level 90, dring and all that didn't magically become worthless. They just added like 500 more things to do besides sniff fafnir's butthole

>>2188656
No they didn't and no it wasn't but you're drugged in on this so whatever you believe

>>2188664
yes they did and yes they did and you're just in denial because you didn't get to experience this game at its peak because you're sucking on the ToAU cock and cupping the CoP balls.

>>2188619
SCH won the cure efficiency war.

But curing doesn't matter it's like the last thing you care about a healer job having. Like cure 4 spamming is more than enough on pld the reason pld isn't a healer in era is mp issues and that's all it has, nothing to do with the cure
It's the additional tools like shellra refresh and barspells it brings that you care about

>>2188733
They won at regens too.

>>2188733
>you never cast curaga as a healer
>sch can do it on outside parties
LOL

Horizon will get over the barrier soon. I believe in them

If rebase drops next week I'm posting feet pics.

>>2188761
Well they do seem to be making progress, but do I even want toau especially with half of the content disabled or not working like no shot they will get chocobo raising up and running.
Cop is comfy and coherent, pure. Toau is Muslims hanging out tacked on to a complete story with fucked balancing like not looking forward to every single party in existence low man and alliance begging for cor

>>2188761
i'd rather wait for a total reset personally so even if toau releases, i'm not sure i'd reinstall for it. i can't imagine how bad the economy currently is.

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>>2188724
>ack ack ack ack ack ack

>>2187915
This looks way different than just add multiplayer. Lv1 in Saruta wiht literally all spells including trusts? What is this? And 999 mp. Everything else seems to make sense for a lv1 char besides that lol. And actually the normal game map and not instanced slop? This seems like its based by a based classicGAWD and not a retail sissy holy shit.

>>2188770
WoTG was comfy and great, and Wings was superior
We've been waiting about the amount of time Wings was a server for them to release fucking ToAU, and ToAU is just going to be a massive rug pull.
Phoenix and Zenith are both going to release with ToAU before Horizon gets it, and then Horizon's going to be yesterday's news.
Mass exodus
Aerec crying into his bowl of wheaties

>>2188358
what are NPC spam crafts to do this

>>2188393
I would play retail only if I could speak jap properly. lua faggots are disgusting soulless husks.

>>2188676
kys endgame troon

>>2188859
Have you guys even looked at the roadmap? Like 75% of toau content is in the 3rd-5th update which are supposed to happen every 3 months but toau was supposed to release I think in full was the actual idea 6 months after horizon release lol
So best case scenario if they actually do hit their 3 months a update promise you are still looking at a full year until the actual stuff is out.
Horizon toau release is like the first 3rd of the missions, half of the assaults 3 hnm fights, zones for helm, minor job adjustments and the new jobs
Thats it

>>2188859
why was gweivyth such a faggot wing was the last pserver i played and it was actually a decent experience unlike nasomi and eden

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I JUST WANT TO PLAY SCH

Sch is cool
Blu is cool
Geo is a fag op job
Run is a fag op job
Dnc is a cool bad job
Pup is a unfunny meme job
Cor is an op the entire revolves around it super fag job
Just putting Blu and sch into the game and nothing else would make me happy

>>2188879
All of the players leaving Horizon are never coming back.

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>>2188843
Why did gunther schulz claim ownership of stratagems he didn’t do then proceeded to kill his entire order of strategists in a duel against the dark spirit pact nm?

>>2188891
Catseye is a populated server you can have both of these things and ToAU and it's on LSB.
BLU is also the most OP job on the server. it was given a bunch of unbridled learning spells

>>2188899
Catseye Scholar has all of the good shit SE added to make SCH one of the most useful support jobs in the game, and SCH with full gear is still a worse healer than white mage is.

>>2188927
>outheals whm with regens
Nothing personnel

>>2188928
>most of those regens tick on full HP
>WHM also gets regen 3
>WHM also gets regen merits and relic body
B-but SCH gets that with augments
>ok

>>2188934
Sch can aoe it. That is the only checkmate they need, even if they’re stuck with regen 2 and no augments lmao.

>>2188935
and whm can keep a tank alive long after you run oom.

>>2188937
>run oom
Thats happening to whm first since you hate SCH sub hahahahaha

>running oom
>Retail
What, you don't even run oom in cop with a ghorn brd which literally every endgame group has on horizon

>>2188941
You ever play WHM on catseye?
The good ones come in their full melee gear and kclub and spam mystic boon and never run oom.
The shit ones come /sch with their afk refresh gear

whm has multiple raises, shellra 5 and bar spells
This is why you invite whm incase multi die to aoe tp spam and to lower magic damage
>Sch can h-
Nobody cares about healing you dumb fuck we been over this 500 times. You need it sure, but you don't need a lot of it

>>2188957
>catseyegger
Its no fucking wonder you’re so out of touch with the game haha


>>2188959
>sch spell list and stratsgems doesn’t count

>>2188975
do you lack reading comprehension? or are you retarded? that's what I've been talking about this entire time.

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Why is this thread so low key Kiseki anyway. I’m team sch btw

>>2188957
>full melee gear kclub mystic boom spam
unfathomably based

>>2188978
I have not been talking about your shitty retailesque server with infinite refresh you are the one doing it

>free relic
Cringe

>>2188988
no, but you're replying to me while I'm clearly talking about it, or you're just retarded.

>>2188993
You never specified stop being a faggot

>>2188986
Square gave whm useable combat stats and made gear specifically for whm melee like that one mage hauberk.
It's doing a real disservice to never use any of it

>>2189006
>whm is totally meant to be a melee job guys
>you can totally melee whm any type of mob
I hate cureburn fags

>>2189013
Whm melee is a pretty good lowman job and it 100% was intentional to be possible or I guess square just oopies doopies put gear to support it in the game one day when they tripped

>retard thinks whm is a Japanese version of a priest and not the Japanese version a cleric
Classic

>>2189025
>pick job clearly meant to be a fucking mage with melee as a novelty
>i wanna go melee whm to every event

>>2189033
>lorefaggot confuses lore for game mechanics

This thread would be so much better without catseye players.

>>2189041
Idk how to even argue against whatever retarded shit you responded with, what lore? Do you think they gave white mages hammers on accident lol
No nigger it's because clerics melee with them and white mage is a cleric.
World of warcraft priests is the stave only heal bot

>>2189045
Show us on the doll where the catseye players touched you

>>2189048
They gave them hammers because white mages have used hammers since ff1. Did that make ff1 whm into a melee class? No. Now shut the fuck up prissy bitch.

>just a novelty
>Here whms entire sets dedicated to melee, a decent weapon stat, a relic that only works when you melee, your mythic ws that only works when you melee, an entire stance that works really well when your melee
>Don't actually use it tho, schs might seethe
It's not a catseye thing either. Whm/nin melee is a top 3, top 1 when really geared lowman job on horizon

>>2189060
>blm smn sch mythics only work when you melee with them
Shut up already.

>>2189058
Because ff1 is going off of western dnd which guess what retard
Clerics existed since the first edition with their no bladed weapon rule
Why do you think they have anti undead focus shit it's to mimic turn undead