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Do you guys win anything or earn anything out of spending years and years seething powerlessly over hoyo games?Genshin isn't going to die because you told their players to die or because you shat on it.Honkai isn't going to die because you told their players to die or because you shat on it.ZZZ isn't going to die because you told their players to die or because you shat on it.Why not do something actually productive with your life instead or tackle things where you can actually make a difference instead of crying in anger at big corpos and shitting yourself in pure seething hatred at the thought of others enjoying something you don't approve of?
>>1655090This but snowbreak and wuwa.
Why is Hoyo doing DEI now?I thought chinese hated that shit...
>>1655090why the fuck do you care about what people talk in fucking 4chan about gacha games? anon tomorrow every gacha could die and your live will be the fucking same. its not that deep anon, people like to shit on things
>>1655087This shit will stutter even worse than wuwa once the open beta start.
>>1655087>https://poal.me/q161ibhttps://poal.me/q161ib>https://poal.me/q161ibhttps://poal.me/q161ib
>>1655090Genshin's been going downhill since sumeru tho. It's in the FGO stage of trying to maintain players. That's why they are suddenly gave a free 5* and added qol like the weapon pity and coinflip losing pity
>>1655124Don't care about whatever qol they shit out if the story is still unskippable i'm not coming back.
this has to be some of the stinkiest writing I've ever seen, at this point 3.0 is just a humiliation ritual TB
If this shit isn't on purpose then I don't know
>>1655139>4chanpags will spend their meager pesos on this and try to make me play itLol
>>1655139>>1655141guess who likes that style of writing lol
>>1655139Is this what women and faggots like?
>>1655139and people here call you wuwajet for praising wuwa for not adopting that shitty writing style that only a couple of weirdos who can be counted on one hand like and the bastard spends all 4 story quests and 3 plotlines saying nonsense just to intentionally shit on the MC, at this point it's worse than wanderer and i'm not kidding, it's like Awu multiplied X10 because it's 10.5 hours of this putrid shit.I'm going to say it even though it hurts some faggots fanboys here, Wuthering Waves 2.0 has a better plot and storyteling than this underdeveloped garbage for shippers and fujos.
>>1655153Not a high bar to begin with.
>>1655153>t's 10.5 hours of this putrid shit.
>>1655153lol you played HSR 3.0?
>>1655163i finished it in approximately 10 hours, because something i forgot to mention was that puzzles take a long time, but i'm so exhausted and i don't feel like playing anymore HSR.
>>1655139>>1655141Not defending Hoyo but dude looks like he's ripping off Gilgamesh from Fate. I'd kinda expect him to be an asshole to everyone, let alone TB.
>>1655170to be fair gilgamesh was well written since he is a shonen antagonist and it is your enemy who you want to kill in fate (the plot in HSR 3.0 is very different) midei was so poorly written that it felt forced, although i didn't hate it as much as >>1655153 i must admit it felt strange, so i put on my headphones, played music and started pressing the space bar while ignoring the whole story.
>>1655139Me on the middle
>>1655170True. I don't have knowledge on Fate outside stay night and hollow ataraxia, but in that one he did more than just saying mean words. Maybe FGO is like that, I wouldn't know.
>hates HSR>hates genshin>hates zzz>plays it every day and stays updated on it just to hate on it properly???????
>>1655194You know, your post reminds me of the Cyberpunk 2077 threads on /v/. It always goes either>you didn't play it so how do you know it's bad lolor>if you didn't like it why did you complete the game???
>>1655153Wuthering waves doesn't even have a plot. All you jeets have is "omg rover ur my special marry me I was groomed from birth to be your onahole" because even the antagonists (MALE AND FEMALE) act this way.Then you spend literally every waking hour crying about how everyone would rather play hoyoshit instead of your perfect game with the best story, combat and gacha ever made.
>>1655194Yeah that always confuse me. It seems people who hate the game actually hate play it and keep themselves up to date more than the actual players
>>1655198its just so simpleif you hate it then why do you play it and continue playing it for years and years? are you that much of a miserable bitch? is hatred the only emotion you have left in your sad life?
>>1655194You never heard of hatewatching? It's like when you keep watching a show that used to be semi decent but turned to garbage, just cause you've already sunk so much time into it and want see how it ends, or just cause you get an enjoyment out of mocking or criticizing it.Same shit here.
>>1655198>>1655199>>1655201>>1655203chinapag came to defend hoyoslop 3.0 any normal human being would feel offended by 10hrs of unstoppable yapping and on top of that the stinking taste of fujo
>>1655194Know thy enemies...or sunk cost, call it.
>1655199>hoyotroon metlyLove to see it, kek
>>1655153>makes the whole story>presents his points of criticism only of version 3.0 (he do not talk about the rest)>the hoyocucks come to criticize him and tell him that he is not a player and a haterbruh just uninstall that shit, as long as hoyocommunity doesn't change that game it will continue like this, don't torture yourself anymore
>>1655206Yet you still play it.
People were really happy that Hoyo have 3 games now and they have constant update cycles. Then it just turned into an infinite loop of meltdowns, whenever it slowly dies down, another of their games takes the spotlight to create some shit to mald about. Sasuga...
>>1655227All according to plan.
>>1655223hear me out chinaslop i'd rather stand in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square than ever play some shit from hoyo.
>>1655223What else should i play?>w*w*Ew, no thanks.
>>1655203It's funny because you feel personally attacked by that anon's statement.
>>1655235>What else should i play?Horizon Walker. You are just at the right time, because next will make every previous limited event story permanently available one by one.
>>1655234You would piss your pants from fear. Let's not pretend you are a superhero. >>1655235I play wuwa and ZZZ
>>1655241PC client status?
>>1655245Not yet, I heard there's some kind of cloud browser version?
>>1655241WOWOWOW this isn't chinese approved anon. Retract your statement right now!
>>1655160The pot calling the kettle black. Have you heard that Endfield is just copying mihomo's weapon gacha system and actually it might even be worse, they're introducing a 3-tier character rarity system with 4 5 and 6*. Like most recent gachas ditched that already except for 1999.
>>1655262Maybe read the reply chain next time before outing yourself as a moron. You can read can you?
>>1655262Not trying to defend Endfield, but rarities doesn't matter. Everything is about the implementation.For example, on paper Horizon Walker should be absolute dogshit too. You need 2,65M gold coin to reach an EX pity without a ticket that takes off that extra 650K (because just by pulling you don't get them, you need to pay extra for them).All this while you need the same gold coins to level up weapons and character skills. And characters gonup to EX++++++ so you need 6 dupes, but for SS characters, you need 6x3, for S you need even more. But in the end, you don't actually need them that much, because they just boost a random stat like HP a little and that's it old gacha game style.But reality is that, they shower you with so much shit, you can easily take out the limited character, the weapon for her AND have leftover gold on hand under the 2 week long banner. I got all the banner characters so far.S rank characters needs 70K to take out from the gacha and that's a lot? You can purchase an S Rank Ticket daily for 20K.Doesn't matter how bad something sounds on paper if the implementation is fine. And that's something waiting to be seen if Arknights wants to jew out or not.
>>1655262>having 3* is a bad thingYou wot
>>1655141群擅自期待、擅自破防的崩铁玩家,难道不知道3.0整个版本就是原神的小螺号(人称野猪神父)的杰作?你们以为被散兵和整个须弥男同版本恶心了,然后跑到崩铁就能解脱了吗?野猪神父告诉你们:你们逃不掉的
>>1655291Honestly, don't know why more gacha doesn't do this for variety. Like Genshin I can underatand, since their NPCs are shit. But for example Wuwa has so many high quality NPCs, you already have the model and rigged to move too, would it really be so hard to make default moveset for each weapon type and just let them be 3stars like that? Pretty sure the reason why is because retards would find fault in that as well and would be angry that devs make their liked character only a 3star because "they deserve better" and overlook the fact that you can only get 3star weapons, which you cap out to Rank 5 once but then you don't really need more even for collectors reasons.
>>1655201>>1655194I believe the problem is that videogames stopped being a thing you play for fun and more of something you use to push your narratives, ideologies and politics.Which is why all /v/ offshoot boards aren't for videogames anymore but for the wonderful citizens of the peoples republic of china, /pol/ and other miscellaneous misfits to defecate to their hearts content.
>>1655139Nice homo game you SEA dog. >>1655142I pity the fool who shills for hoyoslop when they're just numbers to the devs and rather stingy too despite making fuckloads of money.
>>1655302Nigga, we barely get 4* and you suggest adding 3*, kek
>>1655302Lazyness even fgo barely adds low rarity even though that anni where they added a whole bunch created a lot of hype
>>1655309That's because 4* in Wuwa actually takes time and effort, pretty sure why they only add them so far when there was only one new 5* limited. But that's why I said that just use a default moveset for the 3stars, same moves, then they have some basic ult that has a different color according to element. I don't think that's as much work as making a 4star.
>>1655291>having 3* is a bad thingYes? Aside from the grind for upgrade mats taking forever to max and the hundreds of hours spent farming for artifacts hoping for good rng crit stats so your characters don't hit like a wet noodle, the base attack of 3* characters is so weak they're literally garbage by the time you're done upgrading and farming artifacts for them, the game has already powercreeped them into the trash.
>>1655139Wasn't Mydei talking to Phainon the white haired guy? The context being Phainon told MC about Mydei's ability to be immortal so Mydei told him to shut up. I think you don't even play the game?
>>1655317You can have good low rarity characters make them copium f2p buffers or give them good cons for damage
>>1655321Did you mistake this for a discussion thread and not a den of impotent seething pags pretending to be chinese?
>>1655322Anon you're talking about 3* characters. Whatever a 3* can do a 4* can do it better, 4 stars can also be f2p buffers/dps by giving them good cons for dmg. You get way more bang for your buck with 4* compared to 3* since they have higher base attack stats.
>>1655199Everything makes perfect sense once you consider the players in real life. What kind of people are they? What are they looking for in a gacha?
>>1655206The irony of saying "chinapag" like Wuwa didn't start with a literal chinawank region
>>1655327Forgive me saar i was absent during tencent shill meeting.
>>1655324But 4*s are harder to get leave alone c6. My mortefi is still c2. I don't even have lumi and youhu because I never pulls their banners
>>1655330Who are you kidding, comrade? We're all Chinesepags here. We even get banned for saying chin* and wuwaj**t in this thread. Now get on with the agenda.
Hello there, 10hrs story for a gacha update is retarded, hsr story telling is amateur at best, these things have nothing to do with (you) or not (you) is just bad writing, it read like a fanfic more than a story driven game. if you are not a persona writter never do that shit.
>>1655139lol what are these designs? isn't this a space fantasy game? hoyo might be the most creatively bankrupt company when it comes to character designs, it's no surprise the only game to have actual variety is zzz because they hired waterkuma (though i suspect he is no longer the art director for zzz after seeing the new characters)
>>1655332I don't think you have to argue with that anon. He already decided for himself that 3star can only be useless and weak but there is a reason they are called 3stars, they are the cope of the cope, but even I know someone who have absolutely no Mortefi. So he would be pretty happy to have a shittier 3star version any day.>>1655335I would never shit on a patch being too long. If they can, they can make me a patch with 15 hours of main story too for all I care. The problem is that the presentation and content is shit, not the length. Wuwa 2.0 had a 7~ hours long story too, yet somehow I never really felt like I want to skip ahead. If the presentation and content is good, then no one would complain that the story is long.
>>1655335>10hrs story for a gacha update is retardedStill no one complained about AK's writing though
>>1655291not surprising you esls have difficulty reading but that poster meant the game has three different * rarities instead of just 4* and 5*
>>1655339Retardbro if the tiers are 4* 5* and 6* in a normal gacha this would be 3* 4* and 5*
>>1655294wtf, isn't it written by Fanchuan and Roast Chicken?source nao, if it really Fat Xiao then HSR is doomed 105.99%
>>1655342>Roast ChickenBro, if you want to doompost properly at least learn about the game you want to doompost. This is just embarrassing.
>>1655262>Have you heard that Endfield is just copying mihomo's weapon gacha system and actually it might even be worse, they're introducing a 3-tier character rarity system with 4 5 and 6*>they're introducing a 3-tier character rarity system with 4 5 and 6*>introducing>ArknightsBro this is just sad at this point PLEASE play Arknights before you spew shit like this
Why do all Chink devs, even smaller ones, keep chasing the open world mixed toilet money sink and not just go for something comfy and quick with decent stories and all female cast like Uma or BA?
>>1655353Promillia did that we'll see how that works out for them. Everyone else is going mixed toilet for the genshin audience
>>1655353They all want to hit it big Genshin-style. Tencent is also willing to fund them.
>>1655351On the contrary, you should do that. They have 6 tier rarity, not 3.
>>1655353It'll be either bright chungus genshit clone or low quality grimdark arknots clone, no inbetweens. Those fucks are beyond helpingalso you said the word
>>1655351>spew shit like thisIt's a 3D game with actual models and animations, not some jpeg collector so dont act like you dont get what that post was about.Why waste time designing, developing and balancing low rarity characters that no one gives a shit about and they'd just be useless in like 6 months anyway, I'd rather they spend that time making the higher rarity characters more fun to play.
>>1655353They all saw how much money genshit made during its first 2 years and assumed they still have time to grab some of that money. t's funny to think about how genshit started the open world gacha trend, but they also indirectly killed it with how poorly they handled their later regions.
had sex yesterday lolhow about you guys? still talking about your porn games?
>>1655353That's what stella sora is doing, and unlike AP they are actually going to release the game soon.
>>1655402>Suddenly Azur Promilia Rent free
>>1655353BA made me fall asleep because genuinely nothing happens. Considering everything is alts now too, they don't seem to want to do anything with it either.
>>1655402what even happened to AP? they dropped a trailer and disappeared
>>1655139know your audience
>>1655372>dont act like you dont get what that post was about.Retarded post that said Endfield of all games is INTRODUCING 3-tier rarity system as if they're trying to outdo Mihoyo even though their first game have more tiers? That one?>Why waste time designing, developing and balancing low rarity characters that no one gives a shit about and they'd just be useless in like 6 months anyway, I'd rather they spend that time making the higher rarity characters more fun to play.Those are mutually exclusive. Stop pretending like devs could come up with fun kits if only they were given more time. They could develop a kit for 2 months and it's the most fun thing ever, but develop another for 2 years and it's the most boring shit ever.
>>1655436Ah, the same old pre 2010 /a/ harem vs shonen argument, but in gacha
>>1655440>as if they're trying to outdo Mihoyo even though their first game have more tiers? That one?Okay so you probably haven't played other hoyo gacha right? In their older game they had a 9-tier system with characters going from C rank all the way up to SSS. You could grind a C rank to SSS but it took forever like literal months and by the time you got there they were totally useless so no point, unless you were super into that character.That post was about how mihomo got rid of that multi-rank system for a reason and streamlined it to just a 2-tier system with 4* and 5* characters.
>>1655452False correlation. Arknights Endfield is copying Arknights, not Mihoyo. Other companies are indeed trying to replicate Genshin's success, but not everything have to revolve around Mihoyo.
>SB has filtered the JP VA scene so hard that they might need to scrap their current JP voice cast entirely
>>1655454>not everything have to revolve around Mihoyo.If that leak is legit they're probably going to copy that garbage 50/50 weapon system from Genshit.
>>1655456Genshin did NOT invent weapon banner.
>>1655455We hope you'll enjoy mecha break (it has males).
Kek. Gflfags are still seething
>i said it first! I won!Now say that without crying
>>1655455Not sure how exactly this is a "filter".The more gacha games that come out will force already booked VAs to have even more work which then puts delays on all future work. Assumely big spenders or people who already cut deals with them get preferential treatment. Especially now since we are going for complete story voice overs.
>>1655489>Nice tit. But dykeNice try gflfags. I just interested on JP gacha that dwell on dmm. Not the chinks gacha especially snowkek and girlsfagger
>>1655507Kek
>>1655507kek
>>1655431It was delayed due to many internal conflicts between employees since they didn't know whether to go the ML route or keep going the mixed toilet route.
Endfield's gacha weapon will be 25/75it's even lower than Genshinonly 25% to have the rate up
[SAD NEWS] THErta flopped
>>1655517they just need more banners. they should launch a patch with 16 banners next time so hsr can hit #1
>>1655519And better powercreep. Something like Miyabi would be awesome.
Infinity Nikki has dropped out of the top 100.
>>1655515Arknotfags will defend this.
>>1655262>3-tier character rarity system with 4 5 and 6*So pretty much just like OG AK?
Nintendo just announced the Switch 2 and will probably make games again so rejoice Hoyofags they'll have someone to copy again
>>1655537Did they even announce any good games for it? I haven't touched my switch in almost a year.
>>1655538They only announced the console. I guess they'll bring up games in the Direct.
>>1655455that's not "filtered" retard
Current state of PS store
>>1655559Fucking ZZZ lmao
>>1655568relax, astra yao will save zzz
>Snowpeak having to give a free selector every 2 patches to keep their playerbase
Apparently /akg/ is mad about something to do with Enfield but I don't play arknights anymore so I can't parse it.
Current state of Gacha revenue
[SAD NEWS] Wuwa players are suspected of stealing collab goodshttps://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=43037240
>>1655574>2 - Zenless Zero >3 - Honkai Star Rail>4 - Genshin Impact>Look down ten spaces>No wuwa>Look down ten more spaces>26 - Wuthering Waveswiwabwos.....
>>1655574>december 2024Ok?
>>1655574shame kuro never has a single original thought in their heads or they could have made a better or improved PGR to compete with ZZZ instead of making worse genshin
>relaunch the game in less than 1 year with the most broken DPS>barely made more than wormdaykinda grim
>>1655572This desperate huh
>>1655592It's just CNY / Half ani news, I think he mistook the drama thread with the normal news one.
>>1655592Snowbreak has had a free selector so far in 2.0, 2.3 and 2.5. Probably way more but I can't keep track of how many times that game kills itself.Not even my DMM games give this many selectors which really says a lot about the state of the game.
>december 2024Retardbro...
>>1655597>2.0 = Anniversary>2.3 = The big drama + censorship compensation >2.5 = Half Anniversary + Chinese NYJust to keep that in mind. Now where's the real and juicy dramas?
>>1655597>>1655592the other smaller games I played only ever put out paid selectors and it was only once or twice a year meanwhile this game is giving them out every 2 patches lmao
>schizo has to make up snowbreak dramaSad!
>Shit on other games for 24 hrs>Not a peep>Shit on snowbreak or wuwa>ACTUALLY YOU'RE WRONG OUR GAME IS DOING GREAT AND YOU'RE A SCHIZOAre you guys noticing? Because I am
>>1655603I'm not even sure why they need to make it up, just give it a bit and something will happen.
>>1655602Very generous! Should i forgive their fuckups?
>>1655604hoyokeks get uppity all the time tho?
>>1655606What was I thinking? Seriously.
Is this hoyokeks in the room with us right now?
>Is this hoyokeks
saaar
>>1655609anyone that shits on my games or disagrees with me is a hoyokek
wuwa will eventually go the way of snowbreak and die the minute something better is out since these two games have nothing else to live for other than shitposting and seething at other games doing better than them
WuWa could have been a true ML game but they decided to ruined everything making Changli shipbait with Brant, and yes you read correctly I say shipbait because is what is, Mihoyo doesn't make shipait characters they go full shipping or or full cucking mode
>>1655617This post sums up the entire problem with gacha communities.
>>1655619this THREAD sums up the entire problem with gacha communities
Anyone want to take turns pissing on Snowbreak's grave?
They might call janny on us again...
Hoyobros the wuwashitters are attacking us on reddit. What should we do?!
>>1655626lol
>>1655626Hoyokeks had their opportunity to demand more from the company at Genshin's first anni but blew it and they showed Mihoyo they could get away with laziness and shitting on their players.
>>1655626Hoyo is too busy writing stories for their self-inserts please understand
>>1655625Worse, they'll call you a hoyocuck. Way worse than being called a C-word.
>>1655634Projecting much?
lil bro doesn't know what getting free shit is like and got confused
>miHoYo's company structure in detailhttps://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=43034935
>>1655626poor hoyobros wuwa has distorted his sense of reality, patch 3.0 was as normal as penacony's 2.0 and what happens actually with hoyobros on twitter, reddit and facebook is that they play both games and so people now have an altered perception because HSR 3.0 did not change as they expected (i guess they expected an evolution similar to wuwa).
>>1655662I will never understand what kind of game needs more than 1000 employees to work, when only 600 is enough because only 20% of the human capital is directed towards development.
>>1655677If I had a studio it wouldn't have more than 10 people. I'm developing my game alone.
>>1655678i guess you're a Chinesepag hanging around her, and you didn't understand shit, what a waste of time.
>>1655679What? I was just adding to your point that modern studios are hyper inflated, you lil retard.
>>1655442>shonen>but the MC doesn't do shit.
>>1655442what? wasn't HSR's MC the TB? at least during the time i played HSR remember that TB is the main MC and his performance in belobog was incredible, the guy with white hair i have no idea who he is.. is the new MC?.
>>1655574>Fake ass numbers with a 5x multiplier
>>1655691TB is still the MC, while the white haired guy is the equivalent of leading character of the new arc (think of Mirio from MHA)
>>1655687So far the MC is instrumental in the Nikador fight, and just like previous arcs it will probably end up in a team scenario where the MC teams up with others to defeat the final boss, nakama power style.
>>1655604I already said it but snowbreak has the most defensive fanbase even more than wuwafags. The only difference is that Wuwa is actually making money while snowbreak is dead in a ditch after picking a fight with every gacha community under the sun.
>kuro game's company structure in detailhttps://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=43042399
>>1655730>Universal anti-addictionOdd for a gacha but alright. Some of the in game messages make sense now anyway.
They don't even try anymore wtf is this shit
>>1655733is this from them losing money or having too many actives games at once?
>>1655733their roots
>>1655733damn the difference is wild, no wonder these 2 empty shells don't even generate anything in me, neither hate nor love just indifference while the story of a 4* like shushang I still remember
>>1655733Why would they when retards keep throwing their money at them?>>1655751Is this the toilet thing people here keep saying over and over?
>>1655767how new?
Hello my Chinese friends!Are we ready to shit ourselves in anger when the hoyo trio are topping the revenue charts for January 2025 again?
>>1655769???
>>1655771People will shitpost about hoyo but I'm noticing how LaDs never shows up in these despite being first in the meme multiplier charts.
>>1655741It's from them realizing retards will slurp the slop anyway.
>>1655773Pretty sure that's because AppMagic, like any other site that works with things like this, don't add imaginary chinese android numbers they don't know about. While Love and Deepspace is at the top because they hardly have any global revenue, everything is just china and so the number gets hyper inflated for them while Hoyo has a more balanced global-china breakdown so more known numbers that AppMagic knows about exists. But in the end, not like it matters, Lads does that on their single platform, Hoyo does those on one of the 3 they have, so that's only 1/3-1/2 of the total.
>>1655733>map is reused fontaine assets but shittier>models for playable characters are rough and unfinished>character designs are either upcycled from past designs or stolen from other games like fgo>story is hi3 slopfest and black title screens instead of cgs>advertising and marketing budget tuned to 10000%>speedrunning genshit's decline in 2 yearslole
>>1655783And still sells more in a month than your favorite game did in a year
>>1655786
>>1655773because mihoyo in reality it is notable in terms of revenue from official media and industry insiders, the meme table where LADS is placed at the top is only spread by r/gachagaming and no one but small CC drama farmers (to grow) itself would take that shit seriously.
>>1655786My favorite game is DnF.
>>1655771Could it be concluded from appmagic that normalfag used to play genshin impact/hsr but now not so much? or at least their investment in mihoyo games seems to have been the most serious turning point, for example monopoly grows too much and royal match also some roblox kids could have abandoned hoyogames.
>Nilou: Wanderer, why don't you put him on the grassland over there.>Chenxing: there's no way I can leave you on the ground, Adjutant... even if it's grassland.
>>1655796>>Nilou: Wanderer, why don't you put him on the grassland over there.Did that actually happen?
>>1655799Yes, and it was after they claimed they are going back to their roots.
>>1655800Damn it's worse than I thought
>>1655800Their roots are "fanservice" and yuribait.
>gfltranny mindbroken by shay spending yet another day seething about snowbreaklolwith how much that game lives in your head rend free you would think it raped your cat or something
>>1655802The even bigger red flag was how they inserted the most hated character, the Wanderer, into that event and made it about him.
How much money has he made Mihoyo lose?
Is there a reason you /vg/ tourists keep making a new thread almost as soon as the old one reaches bump limit? This is a slow ass board, it will literally be like a whole week until the last thread archives. Make a new fucking thread when this one gets to page 9 or something, moron.
>>1655814the ideal world is the thread series getting deleted entirely
https://tiebac.baidu.com/p/9420435224?pn=1[Sad News] Soul Tide is dying. Looks like they can't even afford to pay their artist anymore. The devs refusing to admit male orientation was their end...
>>1655814Retardbro, it gets made when the image limit is reached
>>1655816A lot of gachas are always failing. Only a few actually make it.
>>1655818And 90% of the images are retarded reaction images.
>>1655800That event was close enough to that announcement I'd believe they just nearly had it completed and threw it out the door.I say this because a sequel event was heavily hinted at where'd he'd effectively be the MC again and if they do change it so his role is minor or nonexistent the meltdown would be utterly cataclysmic, especially in China. A very good laugh to look forward to.
>>1655800I remember that being a thing after 4.8 and before 5.0 released, so supposedly their going back to roots started in natlan
>>1655820No it's google translate chin* posts that I can't understand
>>1655802>>1655810The funniest part is that in this event, the Wanderer ship (you) with Nilou, but the moments Nilou spends with you are only because the Wanderer asked her to (for example, she gives you a lap pillow only because the Wanderer asked her).This event is clearly written in a way like, "Look, the Wanderer isn’t a threat to (You) for ships." It was probably the writer’s way of trying to make SI players to like the Wanderer a bit more. However, the execution had the opposite effect. Instead of make more Nilou x Traveler fanart, it ended up creating more Wanderer x Nilou fanart
>>1655826Wanderer never struck as a wingman to me but then again I stopped around the Dehya patch. But I think the real problem is that Nilou didn't do those things out of her own volition.
>>1655828>Wanderer never struck as a wingman to meBecause they had the genius idea of making him an overt dickhead lmao
>>1655830I just hate him because he seems like an arrogant faggot to me, in the otherwise capitano has always seemed like a cool dude.
>>1655826Nilou is just too retarded for proper (you) pandering, the girl only cares about dancingImo the only ones that hoyo made it work are ayaka and citlali, every other has been a hit or miss, like shenhe also being kinda retarded for (you) pandering
>>1655846>Anon here compared wuwa to a harem anime while hoyo games are shounen>Just like every shounen anime, for the love of them they can't make a working romance in the storyYou know what, it actually checks out.
>>1655837>>1655830Because he is written in a way to her teenage girl bait. They love the toxic dude shit.
>>1655837>>1655830It's as this >>1655850 anon says. There is no problem with dickhead characters. The problem is when it's written by a woman because they will make it for woman. And all woman wants is abusive pieces of shit males who is also hot. A male writer would at least give some nuance to why he is such a piece of shit, so even if you don't agree with him, you would understand him.In a way, characters clearly written by woman for woman like Scara are way too one dimensional.
>>1655846I think Shenhe was pretty good if they wanted a more subtle romantic appeal. They're just shit writers though and can't decide what they want is the problem.
>>1655854Yoimiya was also good until for some reason Hoyo decided that she would cuck (you) with Childe, kek
>>1655852Pretty much. If you have ever seen a womans romance novel, he is the asshole that the woman falls for somewhere in the middle of the book because "he is different, or exciting". Generally accompanied by "he is misunderstood" or given some sad backstory to make him the way he is. Which then the woman gets over and settles back with her actual love interest.
>endfield edition>no discussion about endfield
>>1655879Go beg hypergryph to release endfield
>>1655879kys syuen poster, we have the better sister now
>>1655879>>1655889stupid irrelevant game after the first anniversary it collapsed because it was stupid to censor and eva collab was shit ever, at least enfield has quality and doesn't sell $60 pngs
>>1655879>closed betaWell. I only got in on Mechabreak CBT so there's that.
>>1655901I also got in. Where on 4chan can I talk about MB?
>>1655572>being generous is le bad>being stingy and having predatory gacha is le good because it can be used for revenue shitpost
>>1655903Dunno, /v/ maybe lol or /m/
[SAD NEWS]Nerumero, the big JP streamer that had that Genshin drama some weeks ago, it's being targeted again by Hoyoplayers.Seems that Hoyoplayers are reproaching him not playing the hot and new latest 3.0 HSR patch but instead Neru just preferring to play Wuwa.There's a war in the comments of his latest streams from Hoyoplayers attacking him and his fans defending him.Why are Hoyoplayers being so aggresive over the game someone prefers to stream?>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVbDcrfavB0
>>1655899this sound like a drunk sea retard or chink kek
>>1655910Because there is tons of chinks on the jp community being retarded hoyodrones, many communities hate chinks because they act like a rape gang over stuff that they dont like, for some reason the ccp doesnt control how these retards behave on other countries.That faggot could lose his channel over cn tactics like mass report, bot farms, dox, etc. i could see a retard linking him to a taiwan drama to get more people to ruin his life.
>>1655899Based. You got the retard shill.
>the hoyonigger is upset
>r/gachagaming - ESL and made up revenue numbers central
>>1655915>taiwan dramaunless she streams on a ch*nk platform, why would anyone care? i'm assuming she streams on youtube or twitch, they dont' give a fuck, there are large subscriber, dedicated to anti-ccp channels on youtube, the algo promotes them
>>1655925>she
>>1655904they're grasping staws at this point. my only complaint it's pre 1.8 chars, which are essentially useless by now
>>1655925is a know cn strat, if you hate some cc from outside cn you use the retard cn nationalism to get ppl to shit on the cc.
>>1655927Old support are still usable. I'm planning to get some Mauxir shards to help getting her to M3 faster. You can also get a shard of someone already at M5 so you can convert it to other character's shard.
Is ananta the biggest game to come out in 2025
>>1655960Wouldn't that be Endfield? I mean, open vs semi-open world, but what gameplay I saw of Ananta and combat doesn't really feed me with confidence that the game will be good too quality wise. The combat especially seemed on NTE level and that already looked pretty meh.
>(BREAKING NEWS)There are fights in the main HSR subreddit about the notable deficiencies of patch 3.0 and people there use wuwa as a scapegoat which generates community fights, the funniest thing is that those who criticize wuwa are filled with negative votes, it's cinema absolute
Ok when is the soonest a new gachaslop is coming outI don't care what it is I just want to coonsume
>>1655990please dont tell me you honestly thought endfield combat is better
>>1655960I like Azur Promilia, but I can't deny Ananta will be the second coming of Genshin(if the leaks are true).
>>1656016At least it is objectively better than poowa.
>>1656009how did wuwa manage to sow conflict in every hoyo's communities, even NGA sides with it now
>eceleb drama>leddit screencapGet a better material.
HSR is so peak... Tens of millions of revenue went into this btw
>>1656009>Some praised wuwa for having their character ....picking up a glass of wine on screen. Just how fucking bad is the animation in GI/HSR for this to be wuwa's winning point?
>>1656021we are talking about anatan/endfield>>1656020tech wise it should be fine since netease proved themselves with marvel, operation wise it's kinda worrisome since they might go full f2p like where winds meet and receive profit loss then introduce some jewish stuffs later on
>>1655733>>1656026I unironically heard this argument in another game before. It's fucking Pokemon on where they barely do animations when people are speaking with each other.In real fucking time we see Hoyoverse becoming the Gamefreak of China and that's fucking hilarious.
>>1656026>>1656029you guys thought cn people were joking when they said mhy is no longer game company but marketingcai haoyu has always been the heart of mhy and the moment he left cn it went to shit cause dawei doesnt care about making good game
>>1656026Just see it yourself >>1655733
>>1656026In reality it is normal, 3.0 is as normal as any 2.X HSR update.The problem is that the perception of reality has been altered and the main criminal is called Wuthering Waves, HSR players who are not crazy fans from hoyo expected a great update with a lot of quality like Wuthering Waves 2.0 and they got the same from Penacony. You can see how some CC make comparisons on YouTube, such as Gachasmack, but so that it is not so controversial for the hoyofans who hate Wuwa, he decided to buy Metaphor: ReFantazio and will do a 1 to 1 comparison video of Metaphor:ReFantazio vs HSR 3.0 to show you how bad the update is.
>>1655100I think that's the western branch.I also have quite a few annoyances with the western translation of HSR 3.0 because I actually speak Greek and it's annoying to hear JP characters say things likediadictyon and the text saying "World Wound Web"
>>1656034without wuwa HSR 3.0 would be a great successdeath to solon and tencent
>>1656034>Metaphor:ReFantazio vs HSR 3.0 to show you how bad the update is.if he really does it, i guess the hoyoplayers won't say that Metaphor is a worse game because it doesn't make millions, right? right?
>>1656038lol
Was it a fluke?
>thread starts shitting on hsr because of wuwa>revenue fag suddenly appearshmm... interesting...
>>1656033Was about to say I don't see it, now I can't stop noticing how awkward it is.
>>1656038>metaphor does not earn millions>it's a worse game than HSR that makes millionsyes, i have seen the future
>>1656016Did you ever see how dogshit NTE combat looks? It's not hard to jump that.
>>1656043It's literally the only thing they can brag about since the company has the ability to literally deliver shit in their plates and get away with it kek
>>1656026>Someone praised wuwa because of glass of wineThat was me and I said it here. But that was more relating to how Genshin needed years to solve such a simple thing that characters shake hands on screen. That's the point Hoyo is at, which is the ridiculous thing, as a company who owns their own forked Unity. So yes, because Hoyo as the only big name on the market never pushed the presentation side, any small detail Wuwa does is an insta win, simply because they did it. In HSR, they would have put up a black screen with a white text saying you picked up the glass of wine and drank it.
>>1656051Have you seen the Endfield one? Generic arena combat is still better than Endfield combat.
May as well throw this into the mix. At least you can laugh at this one, the other comparisons are just sad.
>>1656059That was actually Traveler's humiliation ritual
>people living in the hoyosphere finally realizing that hoyo does the bare minimum outside of marketing despite making hundreds of millions>all it took was the slightest bit of actual competition to highlight thisyou love to see it
>>1656062If only ToF counted as competition Dawei would've cried a lot earlier and we could've avoided this future
>>1656063hotta only needed 1-2 years to shit out ToFthats already more impressive than you might think
NGA is saying Endfield has better modeling than MHY's latest game.Thought?https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=43046291
>>1656065I never understand how someone can say that ZZZ model is good. It's not bad, but it's not good either. It's just mid.Endfield model is obviously godly. It's even better than WuWa. It's funny though, because I don't know that Unity can be that good.
>>1656065I still think zzz animation expression is better and I think that's the biggest selling point. Ppl like the overall quirky expressiveness in the game. Also zzz is more combat focused while Endfield is more base building the combat is a bit lack lusterZZZ and WuWa are my top 2 favorite gacha game and will be interesting to see where Endfield goes
Do ppl here actually hate ZZZ? I thought the game is fine? Shorter concise story without a lot of yapping, devs listening to feedback and making more changes than GI or HSR. Enjoyable combat, great cutscenes. Idk, game feels fine.
>>1656074I would say that it definitely feels irrelevant compared to the other 2 games, but I guess that's better since I have seen that the community is way less aggressive than the other two
>>1656074I think it's because it's a hoyo game. There are ppl here that are not able to move on from hoyo and are now eternally shackled by the hoyo demon living rent free.You would think they would be like me and move in from genshin after I quit but no, they keep up to date more than fans of the actual game. At that point, are you playing a game or is the game playing you?
>>1656074People here hate ZZZ because it's by Hoyo. But at the same time people here don't really shit on ZZZ because it's less relevant than HSR and Genshin.
>>1656074>Dev listening to feedbackWhy did they ignored TV mode and combat complaints in the CBT?And why do they need to censored their character design?You can enjoy your slop game, but know that the hate is justified.
https://youtu.be/7NscjjJ79K0?t=1269anyone hates how every mobs need a break bar now?
>>1656083How are you going to sell niche character otherwise?
>>1656080And they removed it after so that point is mootEvery big CN game has censorship when you look under them.>The hate is justified Justified from who? You? Ok sure. You can keep seething while piping a vein as I enjoy the game. Not only do I have fun but also a clown going on a meltdown to entertain me.
>>1656080So what game do you play that 100% always listen and is so great? Please enlighten me.I need it to have beautiful cutscenes, great combat, high quality presentation, and fully voiced story.
>>1656089You know that game
>>1656091But they launched 1.0 with a horrible story when people complained about it. Using >>1656080 logic that if they improve it after does not count as they didn't "listen to CBT" (2.0 has been great in WuWa) that means wuwa is also "slop"Also wuwa blurs the character if you look under it so using that logic it's also "slop" again. Please show me a game that does not do that
>>1656091>hurt all the 1.x patch receptionFuck this fag
ZZZ=WuWa>GFL2>HSR This is my rating. Thoughts?
>>1656095Where's genshin?
>>1655336>isn't this a space fantasy game?its a fantasy game, they can't do space, they can't do sci-fi, at best the writer will copy paste some pseudo-science article into the game
>>1656096I dont play genshin. I started gacha in 2023 so I was too behind and decided to wait for wuwa.Might drop HSR for Endfield if it's good
>>1656095ZZZ needs to be lower and I'd rather play HSR than GFL2, the slowness of the menus geniuenly throws me off and makes me avoid the game
>>1656095For me at least among the ones I've played ZZZ>HSR=Wuwa>Snowbreak>>>>>>>Genshin.
So apparently the "deserter" in HSR 3.0 was just hoyo's diss towards wuwa's jiyan
Genshin players was mocked by the public for stealing the plate from Pizza Hut collab. HSR writers then put this into the its plot, allow the players to steal a plate when passing by.
>>1656104Aren't your real identity linked to social accounts in china why would someone post that online. I remember needing to give an id for billibilli so i gave up
>>1656106if you have money you can buy bilibili accounts in bulk
>>1656104>Devs liste...oh wait.
>>1656086>they removed it after so that point is mootFirst, they don't need to do that, but they do. They know their target audience, and they still do it.Second, I'm actually talking about character design, zero reading comprehension, bro. It's funny that you think that I'm talking about their recent shenanigan.I don't know any other player more pathetic than your kind. They're shitting on your food and you still eat it. Worse, you white knighting them in mongolian basket weaving forum.You can keep playing your slop game and I will continue to shit on it.
It is a good thing Tencent owns 51% of Kuro. This mean Wuwa's purpose is making money and they will please their players as hard as they could. HYV's main purpose isn't making money, but just a way for Cai Haoyu to flex his own superiority.
>>1656101where did the jiyan is a deserter thing come from?
>>1656115
>>1656115Because gesulin killed himself and he ordered a retract. They call him a coward for that
脉脉 is an app for officially certificated employees to hang out.MHY staff complained here about recent large-scale layoffs
>>1656119MHY staff complained that the income of project A was 2.5 times higher than project B, but was ignored because the CEO preferred project B.A might be genshin
>>1656120
>>1656112Yes I will keep playing the game and enjoy it while you rage and seethe from you uncontrollable diarrhea. Keep shitting, maybe if you shit hard enough you will finally get noticed ;) Currently absolutely loving the 1.4 update and the fall guys event in 1.5 is something I'm looking forward for.
>>1656112You sound mad bro.
>>1656092To be fair, there's a big difference between ignoring player opinion, then forced to fix it vs listening to it, but you don't have enough time to fix it. TV mode and combat complaints have been there from the very first CBT. ZZZ dev ignore it because they're arrogant and now forced to fix everything, lmao.
Genshin is getting controller support for android. Didn't iphones get this years ago lmao
>>1656125Maybe but they are actively listening and acknowledge their mistakes.Right now I am happy with the state of the game after they removed it and looking forward for what else they can improve.That's why it's in my top favorite game
>>1656122>>1656124I'm not the one who defend their beloved slop game in mongolian basket weaving forum, lmao.I hope it won't go EoS quickly, so that you'll waste your time with this mediocre game.
ZZZ only needs to relaunch itself to revive the hypeYou lost anti mihoyo schizo
>>1656125>forced to fix everything The only real thing that needed fixing was the tv and they did that.Maybe they could have done it earlier but the fact the listened and not doubled down for it is enough to be praised for.It's better that they learned from their mistakes instead of ignoring it
>>1656131So how does this prove that you don't sound mad?
>>1656134Couldn't you not use characters in the overworld that would have been a death sentence in a gacha game
>>1656131>I like the game and idc if you shit on it as I enjoy it (feel free if you want to)>NooOOoooOo you must hate on the game or you are a shill, stop liking it as I will shit on it for the rest of my life!!!!Can you calm down. Take your shit in peace. You shouting about how hard you are shitting isn't going to make a difference you know?
>>1656136Don't care, last (You).
[SAD NEWS] Wuwa player was compensated with Genshin bag due to shortage of collab goods
>>1656140And they fixed that. A lot of mistakes were made but as I can see them making improvements every update, I am happy.
>>1656142Yet you cared enough to reply. I accept your concession.
>>1656145Almost spit out my coke
>>1656129>actively listening and acknowledge their mistakes.Are you geniuenly retarded? The only reason they did so was because ZZZ was burning a hole in their pocket, that has always been mihoyos approach. If the game actually starts making more money, which isn't likely because the interest in the game died again 2 weeks into Miyabis banner, the devs will stop "actively listening" and the game is going to stagnate in the same way HI3, GI and HSR did
ZZZ is the only good mihoyo game.
>good>mihoyo gameoxymoron
PGR is the only good kuro game
>>1656129You should hope that they're flopping then. Your game will be stagnant if it succeed.
>>1656141The fact that you typed that much words shows that you're the one seething about this. I hope your game doesn't flop.>>1656145He's not me, lol.
>>1656120sounds like:>Hermen Hulst prioritizing Concord>Hermen Hulst ignores projects like Kill Zone.man it's so much fun to see how history repeats itself every time.
>>1656176that is pretty good, keep going slug
>>1656170If Genshin is project A that means either HSR or ZZZ are project B, so the Concord comparison is off.
>>1656180HSR would be B pretty sure, its the only one getting any real attention what with the 3.0 marketing push, even ZZZ barely got anything despite the "relaunch"
>>1656181I heard they doubled ZZZ staff to help with relaunch or am I mistaken?
>>1656176how much of that went into the game?
>>1656181It's all chinese mixed toilet at the end of the day. If you play any of those you're wasting your time.
Anon. Is that true that arknots endfield have a worse gacha rage (weapon and character) than genshin?
>>1656193yes
>>1656194>pity does not carry overHoly shit
>>1656194Holy kek. That's brutal
>[BREAKING NEWS]Rank 1 hoyoshill abandoning ship and evade 3.0 story topic. Pack it in bois we headed for greener pastures
>>1656199>dogshit story>10-12 hour yapfestOnly people defending it are paid or sunk cost.
>>1656194Surely this won't make it into the live version right?
>>1656193>CharacterBoth Genshin/Arknights have their own + and -.>WeaponI think it's worst than Genshin, even though the currency can be obtain from pulling character.
>>1656194Knowing Arknights devs I'm not too worried.
>>1656128Wuwa has it everywhere, so it's time to catch up instead of taking exclusivity money.
Endfield really looks like the genshin killer at least in terms of quality
>>1656218>Endfield really looks like the genshin killer at least in terms of qualityThats... a fucking low bar. But for combat wise Wuwa already shits on both Genshin and Endfield or any other gacha arpg coming out soon, I only see that Arad Dfo as Wuwa's competitor but that game's going to take forever to come out.Endfield's factorio gameplay also seems very very limited and casualized if youve played Factorio you know what I mean.The only game I can think of that could actually kill Genshin this year is Mugen. Those devs are greedy as fuck but they know how to make seriously fun games.
>>1656218Until Snezhnaya releases with its Tsaritsa and outsell Endfield's entire run. At this point only Genshin can kill Genshin.
>>1656194>weapons gachaeasy skip
>>1656159HI3's pre-pink jesus story blows Wuwas story out of the water by miles even though both are shounen, they used to be able to write stories with good villains and good protagonists.But then again Wuwa's story has never been good even in 2.0, the idea was okay but the execution was still fucking shit.
>>1656218It has no community overlap to begin with but if they can attract bitter genshin players then they're set for life.
>>1656230floplan cant even outsell floptaine with double banners
>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-16/ftc-nears-settlement-over-loot-boxes-in-popular-video-game The US Federal Trade Commission is preparing to settle with the company behind the popular video game Genshin Impact over concerns that the money-making mechanics of the game were deceptive, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Some players who paid for the chance to win digital items in the game could be reimbursed as part of the deal, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing a confidential matter. Details of the agreement, which could be announced as soon as this week, weren’t immediately available.
>>1656176>Machine translation of full speechWell, actually, my understanding is that this is a 'happy trouble,' a happy trouble. So, when it comes to Snowbreak, at the beginning of the year, I had a lot of confidence in them. I thought, on their original platform, adding a 100% year-end bonus should be able to motivate them. But to my surprise, after my involvement, their revenue exploded by more than ten times. It's truly an incredible thing. Although, to be exact, the increase is 17.4 times. As you can see in the big chart, and overseas, it's 8.8 times. I can't discuss the exact data here, but in terms of cost, it’s truly remarkable. As Mr. Zou just mentioned, it’s like the 'second leg' of Seasun.From my perspective, this is Seasun’s second game to surpass a billion in revenue. Can we give them a round of applause? Yes, not revenue, but profits income that crossed the one-billion mark within a year. I think, in terms of our attitude toward players, our dedication, passion, and love, we have moved many players. That’s what has allowed Snowbreak to achieve what it has today, and I really believe it wasn’t easy to get here. I hope the Chengdu team can continue to rise with this opportunity, and in the gacha games, my vision for them is for Seasun to one day stand alongside certain gacha games giants in Shanghai, competing head-to-head. That is my vision for them.
>>1656194>Plays AK since launch>pull 6* rate up waifu>got 10 set of 5* rate up faggot before I can get herI hate Mr. Nothing and I will never forget this humiliation
>>1656194>>Character banner>Guarantee only once per banner>Doesn't even fucking carry over>>Weapon banner>Entire weapon system looks like aids>Same shit as character banner to bootBro they might be fucking dead already
>>1656232>HI3's pre-pink jesus story blows Wuwas story out of the waterYou are full of shit. Even to this day they can't decide which version of Sakura Samsara is canon, or wtf happened in the Xuanyuan arc, or Cocolia's teleportation tech from Chapter 3 that was never reused again, and all that was when the story was at its peak. Even in later Chapters like when turned into HoT her premise for abandoning Kiana and joining Kevin didn't even last a single chapter, or how they kept giving Mei new abilities out of nowhere.HI3 is full of inconsistencies like that. Wuwa may overuse retarded terms but it'll never reach that level.
>>1656251>Make it shit in the beta>Make it slightly better on release>Give plenty of free rolls and selector>First deceptive company?
>>1656261Is this (My) new wife?
>>1656022wuwa is the second snowbreak lmao
We love elves here in Gacha Drama thread
>>1656261>cuts to black screen and white text
>>1656267>they can't decide which version of Sakura Samsara is canonwasn't part of captain verse? i mean no-canon
what bothers me about hoyoplayers is that they are very hypocritical, when Wuthering Waves did these things, it was garbage (blackscreen, va problems, expressions fails etc.), that's because everyone complained about 1.0 but when HSR lowers their production values instead of raising it and does the same as Wuthering Waves 1.0, although they are criticized player are still kind, games are not judged with the same standards today.
>>1656302No. Kallen fleeing to Japan and Yae Sakura being corrupted by 12th Divine Key are events that happened. But the game version differs in some aspects, mainly the way the events are presented.
>>1656309hoyoplayers have spokenthey love white text on black screen every game should follow that trend
>>1656309I don't think I've ever seen Mihoyofags making fun of Wuwa's black screen or expressions. Not even in 1.0. Most of them were saying "too many chinese", "muh mangosteen", "barren open world", "grey and ugly"
>>1656155I will be the judge if that happens. As of now it has not it's it's just "could" and "might" So yes will praise them for listening. Weather it's wuwa doing it or not
>>1656164Then why did you reply? I accept your concession
>>1656316ZZZ hasn't uncensored anything as far as I know
>>1656318It's the same in all major chinese gacha where they blur out your character if you look under them.
>>1656322Yeah but I'm talking about the designs
>>1656323They girls have big tits out, I'm content with the design.Burnice has been my favorite.
>>1656325I mean that's ok, but it doesn't change the fact that they censored a lot of the girls.People told them to reverse it and Mihoyo ignored it as they always do.
>>1656326You are free to think what you want. So far I am happy at the direction they are making.People here seething at me like the other guy because they are angry that I enjoy it can continue to do so because as long as they are making qol changes I will praise them for it, just like in WuWa.
>>1656162ZZZ making 20 mil a month is "flopping"? So what's snowbreak with 200k? DOA?The sweet spot for these gacha games is 10-30 mil. It's enough to make a good profit and continue to invest in the game but also not enough for them to ignore you
>>1656327Get on with the agenda. You must quit ZZZ, condemn Mihoyo, and post about how great other games are. Otherwise you're a cuck cameraman worm hoyoshill.
>>1656332>and post about how great other games areNah. he just needs to stop playing Hoyoshit.
>>1656335No. Mihoyo games have their merits. They are good.
>>1656337No they aren't.
>>1656251It's the same system with their og but that game isn't ded...yet
>>1656335I play ZZZ, GFL2 and WuWa.I judge game base on their own merits and perks I do not care who is behind the game. Right now, zzz and WuWa has shown that they are actively listening and making qol changes along with updates that are praised by the player base GFL2...I'm not sure if there is anything that needs changing but I mostly auto that game.If this hurts your feeling then I am sorry, you need to grow up.
>>1656249kek I got 5 fucking Lee before 1 Ling at 320 rolls.
>>1656331Well, I think it depends of the company revenue contextPeople say ZZZ is flopping because it's definitely the weakest among hoyo's big three, also, going to 15-20 mill just in a few months is worrisome for a new hoyo game I guess
>>1656338Yes they are, pre-Genshin nobody took gacha games seriously. they were usually low quality jpeg collectors with barely any gameplay. So Genshin's merit is helping to modernize the gacha industry and bringing gacha to the mainstream. Star Rail was the first high budget 3D turn-based game with a 3D world and gameplay that's not just selecting 1-1/1-2/1-3 stages unlike its many predecessors. ZZZ is the least inventive but also the richest in terms of worldbuilding and environmental design. Hate Mihoyo all you want but we need to acknowledge their merits. There's a reason every CN company rushed to make their own version of high budget 3D gacha.
>>1656345>had to spark Eyjaberry last year while I somehow got max pot Swire Alter with those rolls>wasted 230 rolls for Pepe so far this year but I got 5 Narantuya instead + dupe Eyjaberry to add the salt + dupe Ch'en SniperArknights gacha can be painful
>>1656341GFL2 is almost worse in every thing compared to these 2 the only thing that they are better is that GFL2 doesnt have males
>>1656354What needs changing tho? So far I don't really have much negatives about it but like I said, I mostly auto that game and use the skip tickets so I may not be the most informed
>>1656354I thought about playing GFL2 but then I saw the lovingly rendered feet and remembered I was trying to masturbate less so I decided against it
>>1656325Looks like some zoomer shit.
>>1656350>pre-Genshin nobody took gacha games seriouslyThat was a good thing.
>>1656325
>>1656367That was not a good thing. In fact this thread wouldn't exist if not for the gacha boom.
>>1656350The mainstream audience, or normalfags as we call them, always results in stagnation in the long term. Just look at Hoyo now. They speedran their Blizzard arc and are at the point where everyone hates them.
>>1656370Everything will eventually result in stagnation. But with mainstream comes money, and with money comes innovation from competitors. Without Genshin there wouldn't be Wuwa, GFL2, Snowbreak. Or maybe they would still exist, but in a wildly different form for example 2D .jpeg like FGO. Right now we just need to wait for another mid-sized/indie company to make another breakthrough for the rest of the industry to follow.
mhy would have never become big without normal audienceand now they are dying after losing them
>>1656368Astra has huge tits. You have a problem? I might pull for her
>>1656372Eh, maybe not WuWa but GFL2 and Snowbreak could have been made. Honkai clones like PGR already existed before Genshin.
azur promilia will release anyday now
>>1656379Manjuu anniversary in two days we are getting news for sure right?
>>16563771.0 Snowbreak would maybe copy Honkai/PGR/FGO monetization/pity system/currency instead of Genshin's.
>>1656377Yeah but what about Azure Promilia, or Ananta. One might even argue that Endfield might not be as ambitious if it wasn't for Genshin
>>1656375>I might pull for hersame but on my wiener
>>1656356If you cant find something that a game could do better there is something wrong with you or the game, even the best games ever have problems.
>>1656369Which is also a good thing,
>>1656386Debating on Evelyn too
>>1656390I don't because I just auto farm it. I don't even read the story. So yes, I can't really think of much as I don't play it that much.
>>1656383We don't need 50 empty world genshin clones.
Genshin invented zelda-likes
>>1656394I will judge once it happens. Right now you have no proof
>>1656396>Right now you have no proofNatlan
>>1656394We need Genshin clones so eventually the trend dies down and new one arises.
>>1656397Natlan isn't empty. On the contrary, it's too small for a region that was supposed to be about travel abilities.
>>1656397How is this proof of anything? Is Natlan worse than HSR 3.0? I seriously doubt it, to me it just looks like anything nu-Mihoyo touches turns to shit regardless if it's open world or not.That fag is right and you're wrong.
>>1656397I was talking about Ananta and Azure Promilia
>>1656402Empty world is an inferior format that corpo suits have tricked the cattle to love in order to cut corners with level design.
>>1656322Show me you can do this in ZZZ.
>>1656404>Azure PromiliaNo news having dead game.
let's be real even if AP got released tomorrow they simply cant afford to do 6 weeks patch cycle with their current capability
>>1656331If you honestly think a monthly 10-30 million is the border sweet spot, then you already got dragged into Hoyo's retarded mindset of "uhm ackshually the game costs us 200 million a year - CEO" when it's only true to them spending ridiculous amounts of money. An arena battler like PGR could easily live off 100-200K a month, what would make you think an open world like Genshin/Wuwa needs more than 2-3 million? More so in Genshin's case that hardly add new maps in Natlan and Natlan itself is small as fuck. 10 million is already the point where they get so much money, they don't really have to care about you, just make sure to maintain player spending.
>>1656405You're making another mantra-like assertion instead of engaging with the argument.How is "empty open world" considered "corner cutting" but this >>1655733 isn't?I'd really like to hear an actual argument this time instead of more normative statements, or I'm calling you a chat GPT bot and not replying again.
>>1656410i think that mihoyo's problem, unlike other videogame companies, is that it wanted to industrialize but with Tencent's production standards.If you want to be like Tencent you need a lot of assets that do not decrease too quickly, the problem with ZZZ/GI/HSR is not that it does not generate money, the problem with ZZZ7HSR/GI and that it does not have wuwa, is that games needs to generate money for an industrialized company that has a Tokamak project for example, that reduces the money invested in research and development, that puts more pressure in ZZZ/GI/HSR/hoyo than in wuwa/PGR/KURO
>>1656406Cowqi
>>1656406I can literally see her ass.
>>1656415I wish they didn't make this character yuribait.
>>1656416kek
does the supposed coomer game zzz have any pantyshoteven worm game like hsr has some
>>1656406Also, show me that WuWa ass has this much physics where they can jiggle. Looking at ass is fine but I found zzz's to be better as there is actually movement in them instead of just being static like wuwa
>>1656418>>1656416>MHY makes character I like>Yurishit or KekshitEvery fucking time.
>>1656416>>1656418>2 girls talking is yuribaitI swear you guys need to stop seeing ghost every where and maybe you can actually enjoy something in life.This is like saying zani and pheobe is yuribait in WuWa.
>>1656408Not that I care. If the game is good I'll play it.
>>1656413Hoyo's sole problem and self harming fault is that they already said what their plans are. Which isn't to make their active games good or better. But that those are stepping stones for the next steps and the ultimate goal is a SAO-like experience whenever it becomes a possibility. Their flaw is overambition and they try to put down a groundwork for a media empire, which they could have done with how lucky they got with Genshin... but they fumbled it and made sure it wouldn't happen. Because of what I said above. They focus too much on the future and not the now, so their game suffer from them trying to future proof themselves for their ambitions, instead of making the good games that builds up their brand image AND makes money.>>1656420Your Lumi? She is jiggling all over the place, thighs and ass. Personally, I find that ZZZ example bad because that's too much jiggle. An ass isn't breasts, it should be firm with a slight jiggle, not puddy soft.
>>1656415>>1656420Damn, Astra Yao eats that ass?!
>>1656422Do you have proof of this? So is WuWa Yuri bait because zani and pheobe? Is GFL2 Yuri bait because the girls interact and protect each other?How do you enjoy games if all you do is seethe over the tiniest thing on what is potential your head cannon?I play games to be enjoyed, not to get angry and stressed out about
>>1656423First mihoyo game?
>>1656423This. These people still pretend that the kiss scene didn't pop up just after their "yuribait".
>>1656423>just ignore company's history with homobaits bro>what about wuwaMost subtle hoyofag
>>1656426In your head cannon maybe. If you want to imagine Yuri bait you are free to do so.Just don't blame me when you get mad over your head cannon while we have fun
>>1656427>>1656423I would love to agree with you, but we are talking about Hoyoverse, not Kuro or MICA. You know, the company that has repeatedly done this with intent.
>>1656430r/hoyogaming isnt sending its best
>reddit spacing in all xis posts>defends hoyoslop>a-actually! it isn't yuri because I say so!>even fucking hoyo loves to do that shitLmao
>>1656430I do not care about a company's previous projects. Paper games the maker of lads is making a rpg game that looks pretty cool. I am going to play that if it's good.Unlike you, I look at games on a individual basis and if it's fun, I'll play. I won't seethe and get angry over what else they made because why would I? That's not fun.I brought up wuwa because it is another game I play where people shitpost pheobe and zani as yuri.Maybe if you stop being so traibalistic and understand we can enjoy multiple games you can be happier in life
>>1656434Must be a newfag tourist.
>>1656423>yuribait in WuWaIt can't be yuribait when I have a threesome with them. While Wise willingly sits in a cuck chair. That's the difference.
>>1656432Like I said I judge a game on a individual basis. Maybe zzz would end up like it but as of now it's not. If I no longer enjoy it, I will quit. If I enjoy the current state, i will play. I know, hard concept right? >>1656434General when someone results to throwing insults it means they have no more reasonable arguments to be made
>>1656437So you guys just see cuckshit everywhere? The girls in zzz are literally for you. Evelyn literally talks about pushing you down in one of her line. Yeah I want my wives to get along with each other when I have a threesome with them. You got a problem?
>>1656439>Evelyn literally talks about pushing you down in one of her line.Proof?
>>1656439Is ZZZ your first hoyoslop or what?Hoyo loves to pull that shipbait shit every now and then, and they already did with ZZZ and will do it again
>>1656441Like the other anon said this is classic mihomo. >few lines being for (you)>other lines are shipbait/yuribait It is the whole problem with their writing. They have a history of doing this, so acting surprised when people point it out calling it what it is just seems silly.
>>1656441Like I said, if I am happy with the game I will play it, if the game is no longer fun, I will quit. So far I have not seen evidence of any cuckshit or yurishit. Saying Evelyn and Astra is Yuri is like saying pheobe and zani is yuri. Yes, I have played through 2.0 wuwa and I know they are not Yuri. They are just friendly to each other, just like in zzz.I will make the decision to quit the game myself if it's no longer fun. People seething and begging me to quit won't work because I can make a decision myself on what is true or not
>>1656443Can you show me proof that Asta and Evelyn are Yuri officially? So far the only evidence I see is them being friendly to each other. It can't be yuribait when I have a threesome with them.The fact you are out looking for the tiniest if scrap for Yuri tells me more about you
why are we comparing Zani and Pheobe to Astra and Evelyn, their interactions are compltely different. Zani and Pheobe barely interact.
>>1656439>Honkai Impact 3rd was yuribait>Genshin was shipbait>HSR was shipbait>Somehow I should believe some cuck that ZZZ is actually not that, despite multiple things pointing to it being the caseHow is the aftertaste of Lighter's dick whenever you kiss Burnice?
Is this the ZZZ meltdown thread?
>>1656450CVCKchair broke xhim
>>1656448That is true, since Evelyn is Astra's bodyguard so they will interact more.However I fail to see how this is Yuri. I want my harem to play nice to each other. Is there a problem with this?I'm more surprised that a Yuri hater like you act just like those yuri on twitter.They go around connecting the most vaguest dots to confirm their headcannonCurious isn't it?
>>1656415>>1656420damn i'm jealous of astra yao all that gelatinous ass for her and she doesn't share with the MC
>>1656445>They are just friendly to each otherThey hardly knew each other and talked like 10 lines maybe. Do you really want to compare that to some dyke bodyguarding who is a "found family" behind doors?
>zzz is so trash its player would rather defending it in /vmg/ instead of playing itgrim
>>1656449Lighter barely interacted with burnice. Infact, he barely played a role in the SiC chapter.The fact that the first thing you think of is lighters dick is funny isn't it?For a homo hater you sure love thinking about it
The ZZZ developers already said Evelyn and Astra were "family" so I guess you have that going for you. Still won't stop that cancerous community from shipping them, par for the course with Mihoyo.
>>1656455Kek
>>1656460Bronya and Seele were also "family".
>>1656452>Thinks about cucks>>1656455>Thinks about Yuri>>1656458So does this mean snowbreak is now trash as ppl constantly defend it in the previous thread?I swear you guys constantly think about shit that you hate. A little strange.
>>1656459I am not the one gaining knot levels.
Is it really this easy to rile up ZZZ players? Grow a thicker skin, even HSR players aren't as butthurt as you, despite how they should be. Take criticism better, but what can people expect from furry fucks and shippers I guess, they are not known for that.
>>1656464Once again you go out of your way to find vague things so you can create head cannon that you hate.Tell me, how is this different than those homo and Yuri shippers with their headcannon?At least they are doing something they enjoy?You? Constantly creating scenario that you can seethe at and be angry about. Isn't that sad?
>>1656463yes sb is trash just like zzz
>>1656465But why do you sound mad? You are the one throwing insults, creating head cannon just because I said I enjoy it.Why are you do ez to rule up? Imagine getting mad and start thinking about homos and cuckshit just because I said I'm ok with the game
>>1656463>>1656466>>1656469Is this autism?
>>1656467What? SB is actually good you retard, stop comparing us to ZZZ.
>>1656471Not sure why they are trying to hard to defend the game.
>>1656471the redditor has been going for 3 hours
>>1656471>Reply to my comment>I give an answerIt's called common sense. But unfortunately your autism immediately cause you to bring up Yuri, homo and cuckshit.Literally stuff that you hate. How sad is it to live such a life?
>>1656465HSR fans are the worst shitters in gacha, these fuckers are the ones that are responsible for the powercreep meta that is growing in every gacha by rewarding it with big sales and also the retards that let the most obnoxious trannies a safe space in the biggest gacha developer.
>>1656473>>1656474I am simply replying to your answer. Is this illegal? Maybe if you don't want my reply you can stop asking
Is there actual cuckshit in zzz? I'm also playing it (started this month) and I don't recall seeing it.Though I'm at the cops chapter. So far in this thread it appear it's just he said or she said. Nothing really credible.
>>1656478only see it brought up with regards to Jane and Seth iirc
>>1656476As if powercreep is a problem that HSR created. Why doesn't Wuwa has powercreeps yet? ZZZ got powercreeps faster too because they wanted to sell Miyabi that much. Hotta with ToF run into its own problem because they were retarded too. This is clearly a dev problem, but HSR makes it seem even bigger because it's a four dudes in a row turn based gacha. There is a reason people don't touch those, they last a year or so at best before they start adding straight powercreeps or new character specific mechanics that makes your life easier because that's what turn based gachas did since forever. That the Hoyo audience is retarded and eats it up is no surprise to anyone, everyone knows they are wired to a single braincell.
>>1656476As an outsider, HSR always looked to me as an absolute faggy core game, since it has the most overdesigned chinese outfits that trannies love and zero female fanserviceSo it doesn't surprise me that it is full of troons
>>1656478Whether zzz goes the Yuri or cuck route in the future, I do not know. But right now, I have played through all the chapters and there isn't.This is why I said play it if it's enjoyable but quit if it is no longer good.That way you can enjoy for what it is now, but drop it if it turns ugly. We can't predict the future so might as well enjoy the moment.But ppl here is unable to accept that and now they are mad because I am not following their narrative.
>>1656478Hoyo will not show actual sex or kisses, hoyo wants every audience for their game so they will bait ships, yuri and fujo shit, that doesnt mean that these character are having sex or whatever, the real problem is that you game will have a cancer fanbase, the fact that hoyo got retards mad because there werent black characters in a region show you that the fanbase is cancer.
at least HSR doesnt have furshit and black culturethat burnice shilling video was so trash it killed the game
>>1656485>>1656481I played through Jane and Seth and I don't really see it. I feel like it's like what other people said, head cannon tier.Ok I guess I will still play it for now as I really want the idols. I think the "enjoy the moment" is a good mentality to have rather than worrying about everything that has not happened. I'm f2p anyways
>>1656489It was some shit from how her body language during one of the cutscenes with him make it appear she liked him.
>>1656482retard, powercreep always existed is natural that better characters appear in a gacha, the problem is that HSR put steroids in the issue. The thing is so bad that normie creators are talking about it, and you know what is worse is that hoyo is creating content that made these units vital.
>>1656484>HSR always looked to me as an absolute faggy core gameThousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency...
>>1656487>bait every group into thinking a character is for them>never confirm anything so these groups just fling shit and shitpost each other>repeat every charactersounds like so much fun!
>>1656487Ok but what game has sex scene? I know some has kiss scene but the game themselves are kinda dog shit. I didn't go into it expecting a hentai. Also what the community does is irrelevant to me as I don't interact with them online. The only thing I care is the game itself
>>1656494>Ok but what game has sex scene?LaDS, with these kinda games the most you get is textually implied sex. How in your face it is depends on the game.
>>1656490So like what that other anon said. Headcannon? How is this different than those twitter user that go feral over the tiniest thing? I swear you guys make fun of them then proceed to act like them
>>1656491>The company that was creating massive powercreeps even as early as Honkai Impact 3rd... does powercreepNo shit, what did I just told you. It's a dev problem. Powercreep is natural, but that doesn't mean you have to shit all over your old characters and make the new ones that much stronger. This is what Hoyo does.
>>1656496Ok yeah but I'm not playing otome game. I'm specifically talking about zzz. I saw people talking about how it has cuckshit in the game and as a new player I wanted to know the truth. So far what I am getting is ppl here are making up the cuckshit themselves and it's not even in game.
>>1656497>Headcanon>The mouse girl gives a body signal for Seth>A signal that normal IRL mouse do tooAnon... If you turn your head 180 and don't see things, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Do you really think the devs that implement beastfolk into the game, don't look into what said animals do for certain actions?
>>1656411>Whataboustism using the same bloated dialogue in every hoyo game
>>1656500So head cannon? Jane acts seductively to everyone, even us because that's just how she behave and talk. It's like those old spy movie where the female act seductively to the villain to let down their guard so she can betray them in the end.
>>1656501Whataboutism is literary an argumentyou:>genshin is shit because it's open worldme:>here's another Mihoyo game that is shit in all the same ways but isn't open worldConclusion: open world has nothing to do with anythingYou're a chat GPT bot
It's something subtle but Hoyo does yuribait all the time and ZZZ is no exception, that Jane Doe video where he is with a dwarf girl is really a demonstration of what his true skin is like, they want all audiences to feel heard, that in itself It doesn't seem badbut that makes the player base infected, HSR the game where "Genshin Could Never" was born arose from the sumeru disaster and now they do the same thing that sumeru in 3.0. i play ZZZ too but from now on I don't trust anything that is mihoyo, I play all their games as F2P to see how far they go and hopefully sell my account at a high price in exchange for my time.
>>1656505So you are a cuck, got it
>>1656503>Jane acts seductively to everyone, even us because that's just how she behave and talk.Of course, because she's a fucking prostitute, lmaoShe's literally for (Everyone) the whore, used goods even
>>1656505>Hoyo is a cuck yuribait company!>But I will still play it!!Is this what hate playing looks like?
>>1656506It's called shark mentality, I sold my HSR F2P account a few months ago for about $150the only hoyogame that managed to fool me with the sunk cost is Genshin Impact since Sumeru i have never trusted hoyo again..
>>1656507It's because she's the classic stereotypes of a female spy where she use her sex appeal to let the villain guard down.Have you not watch any spy films? You are acting like she has sex with them. The fact the you are so up to date on a game you hate is truely astonishing
>>1656508nigga hoyo is putting furries in their games is over kek, the next game will have trannies or a fucking futanari
>>1656510>He is willing to get cucked for 150 dollarsOk cuck
>>1656512Where did trannies come in? Why did you just think of it? Infact it wasn't even on my mind until you brought it up.Are you projecting?
>>1656513If they are going to cuck me at least i will get money from their games in exchange for my time to buy BMW or the Elden Ring DLC lol
>>1656505>i play ZZZ too but from now on I don't trust anything that is mihoyoI think that's their biggest problem going forward. A lot of their players will play what they're playing of theirs but they're less and less likely to touch anything new, and if something better comes out they drop what they do play of theirs. It's all because they keep undermining peoples faith and image of them. They don't do qol that other games can whip out within a few months, they don't do good animations, they just do the bare minimum and their fanbase eats itself alive thanks to them gathering conflicting fans.They're effectively the "good enough" company now.
>>1656503Holy fucking deflection, this is the last (you) I give you. How can someone be this fucking retarded...? No wonder people laugh at you.
>>1656517The only reason i still play hoyo games is because the accounts are sold at a good price but i wouldn't recommend even my worst enemy to spend a penny on hoyogames, the sunk cost is enormous.
>>1656511>here's your spy, bro>oh, don't mind Seth huge portrait in her promo, she's totally for (You)>she's dresses like a whore? it's because she is, dummy, but still for (You) btw
>>1656518>People laugh at meWho are these people? You? Wow, what a banger clap back. Wonder why the only place you seethe about is here? Because people like you with these cuck headcannon get laughed at by everyone else so you hide here instead!
>>1656515???? is a fucking example retard, if hoyo wants every fucking player they will caters to every group of people, if a told you in 2021 that hoyo will put furries in their game you will have the same reaction.
>>1656520Yes I like my girl in revealing dress, you got a problem? You can go to Saudi Arabia if you want modesty.Wow didn't even see Seth there as he is so faded. That just shows how unimportant he is. Glad you go out of you wait to find your head cannon cuck shit in a game you dislike.What do you call this behavior? This is twitter shipper tier level of shizo no?
>>1656524Actually I won't be ause other game had furries in them like Arknight.Ben is just a cool bear and the wolf dude is the only problem but there hasn't been any more furry.Pulchra might be the only furry that might be added but I am actually ok with her because she has a huge rack.
>>1656526
>ZZZ ZZZ ZZZ ZZZ ZZZ...you reddit fuck do know this is a drama thread, not the fucking ZZZ general, do you?
>>1656527>accept furries in your gamethat why you cant have a normal conversation with hoyo players they will accept everything because a cn company have big numbers so sucking a dick and eat shit is ok
>dyke impact had so much yurishit the CCP had to censor their obscure literally who mobile kusoge>actual normies were put off by the amount of kaveh X ambatukam homowank>they even stepped so low to hire a fucking bbc loli artist for zzz>HRT is the most trending game among xitter troonsNot to mention countless of more subtle homoshipbaits and humiliation rituals that they've attempted. If you still can't see it, you are unironically delusional
So all I got from this thread>A guy likes zzz>Ppl did not like that because you are not allowed to like it>Starts saying it's cuck yuri or homo and going on a 1(maybe 2) v 10>Revealed that all of this was mostly fake or headcannonIs this where it's at? Am I following this correctly?
>>1656530So why do you reply? One mention if zzz cause this general to go on a meltdown
>>1656535no, you got that arknights is irrelevant trash and that's because no one cares
>>1656531Right...said the guy constantly imagining cuck scenarios so he can get mad about.that why you cant have a normal conversation with vmg players they will accept everything because all they think about is shit they hate and seethe from morning to dawn
>>1656538Yet you cared enough to reply
>>1656415>>1656420holyshit astra yao eats all that alone
>>1656535>>Ppl did not like that because you are not allowed to like itNah we're just making fun of Hoyokeks
>>1656541at least ZZZ is a topic of discussion not like the irrelevant shit enfield in CBT, that's a fact
am i crazy or this endfield beta made 0 buzz? i actively follow the game but im not seeing much discussion around it despite this probably being how the game is going to launch
>>1656546thats because gacha market is collapsing, no one wants to play mixed toilets anymore, there are no new users.
>>1656546>gacha is shit>combat is boring>the requirements are excessive
>>1656535Of course you are following it correctly. With that pacing, pretty sure you are the same fag whining here for hours now.
>>1656546Only people who already played Arknights are excited about it. It made absolutely no impression outside that circle.
>>1656545hoyoslop felt attacked by enfield
>>1656544By imagining cuck fantasy like this guy? >>1656542 Wow bravo! You showed em! They now fear us because we can think about a subject to get angry about every day! This has to be the dumbest thing I have seen. Yeah no the zzz anon won here unironically.>>1656545Endfield is going to be niche. Ppl on akg have said this since way before. It's a good thing as I don't want it to be mainstream
>>1656554>imaginingWith Mihoyo we don't need to imagine anything.
>>1656551Who? So are you able to point where I am wrong or is that post another headcannon of yours?
>>1656557>Even writes the same wayKek
>>1656556Right because you people can imagine the cuck shit yourself. >>1656535I'm actually looking forward to play Endfield. Zzz and WuWa already scratch my combat itch so maybe Endfield not being combat related might be a good thing
>>1656558Yes I use English. So surprising. Don't tell me I am now not allowed to use "headcannon" when 50 other people used it in this thread
>where are the chinese with the drama news I'm only here for drama not for fights of who has the most cuckold game
Since we are talking about zzz is anyone else here play ZZZ and enjoy it? I'm looking for a second game with wuwa. Not shitposting please. Is the story short concise, the combat fun enough and over entertainment value of the game?
>>1656563For the love of God, if you are so proud of your English so much, at least learn to use it properly. You are the only one in this thread using "headcannon" for a reason, redditfag. If you want to samefag, do it, but if you don't hide your tracks well enough, don't be surprised when someone calls your bullshit.
>>1656566play pgr
>>1656566As someone who plays Wuwa and Zzz, I can tell you that it is fun, the combat is enjoyable, have skip button, the female character is sexy and it gives you a fantasy of skill.their only problem is that it's a hoyo game and you don't know when they're going to stab you.
>>1656566U can just ask that in /zzz/ the game is free. Try it yourself.Combat is fun enough in my opinion. Not super deep but your playing a gacha game. Go play PC games if you want deeper combat. Wuwa's combat is better but I feel the sound design in zzz's combat is better than WuWa, especially the parry.The story is the opposite of HSR where it's short (1-3 hours long) without a lot of yapping. The comics and the very fluid cg helps break it up into more digestible peices.Regarding entertainment value. Yes, I am having fun but it's subjective.
>>1656567You just used head cannon, are you me? Please stop using your shizo theory
>>1656567>calls others a redditfag>while using reddit mod YuanwuKek
>>1656568I played PGR and I cannot get use to the match 3 shit. Also that game is 5 years old at this point, I'm not going to try and catch up. Zzz is still new enough that I can still get in
>>1656566Give Horizon Walker a try. Simple, have autobattle, bare nipples and gives you enough currency to get all the characters with their weapons, very F2P friendly.
>>1656499>CuckshitHow the heck that it's a cuckshit, if there's no (you) in that game?
Hoyokeks are so funny. Must have linked this thread in /vg/.
>>1656579No wonder they are so active here to defend ZZZ.
>>1656571>>1656572I will use Yuanwu until he finally learns how to spell headcanon.
>>1656567Damn, you really got him. So this is ZZZ player. He's samefagging in this thread. Absolutely pathetic.
>>1656564I love my wife Carlotta!
>>1656579Proof? Or is it another made up head cannon
>>1656587>cannonlol
>>1656584You can stop same fagging your own post. Don't you have your cuck imagination to be seething about?
>>1656589So was anything that I said wrong? I'm still waiting and so far all I am getting are grammar Nazis and people telling me how often they think about cucksNot very convincing
>Be proud of his english>Says head cannon every time>It outs him for samefagging>"N-NO ARGUMENT, G-GRAMMAR NAZIS?!?"You can't make this shit up. At least he is entrrtaining I guess.
>>1656569>>1656570Ok thanks I saw Evelyn vids on /vg/ and I want it ever since. I'm going to download zzz and see how it is. So far outside of this thread it seems positive enough so I wanted to ask here to see if it's actually true or just shitposter who seethe eternally at zzz. I'm mostly going to play it casually for now
>>1656594But enough about yourself ;)
>>1656596Just enjoy the game for what it is. Keep in mind this is the DRAMA thread.You won't find much objective facts here. There is a reason they all congregate here instead of anywhere else because they get rejected every else. Play as a f2p on ZZZ so if you dislike it, you lose nothing.
>>1656505>MiyabiIt reminds me of people who started shitposting that Zhu Yuan and Miyabi are gonna be yuribait because they were classmates at the academy, and there was even a photo of both together during that time. In the end, both Miyabi and Zhu are both for (you) and even for (you) EX.
Why are you samefagging now?
>>1656600Is there anything else I should do? Like a new unit to pull for? I'm actually not that interested in miyabi but I heard it she was broken. Who works well with Evelyn
>>1656596Like i said, the only complaint is actually because it's a hoyogame but everything comes together since HSR received their sumeru patch and they are on the verge of mental breakdown after about a year ago they were shouting "genshin could never" because of sumeru,so trust has been lost, in my case i play ZZZ as F2P to avoid having problems with sunk costs due to a future sumeru patch
>>1656605Miyabi powercreeps so much that she is stronger than a max dupe Ellen. It would be dumb to pass up on her, because they wouldn't release another massive powercreeped character in the short future.
>>1656605Qingyi is coming up next and she is a great stunner. She will work with Asta + Evelyn. Idk if you can have enough pull for all 3 tho.That being said you will probably get a shit ton of pulls due to all the content and next patch should give like 130 pulls as a f2p. If you are not into engame, you can skip the wegine. All content that isn't endgame can be cleared casually
>>1656606Well that why I said f2p and casually. I'm just playing it for fun. For my own enjoyment. If the game turns out bad, that's ok as I had my fun and invested no money. I can leave for Enfield, Azure Promilia or Ananta. Something people in this thread don't seem to understand the concept of.
>what the hell is a sumeru patch?>why is HSR on the brink of collapse?
>>1656535>Kal'tsit also appeared on Enfield?WTF happened to her?
>>1656590This is a really heavy projection, lmao. You can just check the time, ZZZ shill bro.
>>1656612Just play for fun. You lose nothing. I played genshin, didn't like it, dipped out. Maybe that's the reason ppl here seethe about that game so much because they can't get over it.Going into a game with a casual mindset is always the best way to enjoy it.Currently I'm doing the same with wuwa, GFL2 and ZZZ. I'm having fun now and I'll stop when it gets bad. Just enjoy the moment
>>1656616>Projecting your projection on meI'm not interested. Maybe you can try and preach your teachings to other people that might be more receptive.
>>1656615That's perlica from cbt1 I believe. I don't think they have any relationship
>>1656613is the yumehomo patch (writing for homobait ships) with a lot of yapping and hours of quest that has release hoyo in both genshin impact 3.0 and HSR recently in 3.0.
>>1656596EspañolDamn all that juicy barbecue is of astra yao? how lucky she is!
>>1656608Do you know if the idols will be coming in zzz?Im willing to play to get them
>>1656623Huh? That's not perlica anon. Perlica have silver blonde on this hair, not the greenish bootleg Kal'tsit hair thing.
>>1656629They will be reworked first to fit Hoyo standards, just like all the other Waterkuma designs.
>>1656629The idols have been teased in game. They are called angel of delusion. One of them got a cameo too. But no idea when. I assume in 2.X patch
This thread really fell off.It started off strong with spicy Chinese MTL screenshots about all the hot gacha topics, but at this point it's just 24/7 mihoyo shitflinging general for third-world reddit rejects.This stuff isn't even worth reading anymore, bye.
>>1656632They have already been officially revealed. I will judge them if they change them after
>>1656636There goes all the 5.3 revenue, kek
>>1656640>20 millionThat's like nothing tho? Don't they make like 100 million a month?
>>1656636>>1656639Americans going hard against the chinese. Based.
>>1656639>>1656636Based Burgers
>>1656634Many defend the c___ks back in the first azur spatsmilia thread because they thought c___ks are the straightest men alive, only to find out that they're just a bunch of insecure faggots and think about cuck fantasies all the time.
>>1656629>wear socks on her handIs she retarded or something? I like retarded girls.
>>1656667Meh. Mlfaggot maybe schizophrenic. But they are right about LGBT trends in gachage
>>1656667>c___ksWhat does that mean anon?! Are you hiding something???
Just got joined to this cutie in HSR. Surely nothing will go wrong.
AK sponsored asmongold, the tranniel will not like that...
Will Endfield kill Wuwa?I'm already seeing comments on tw*tter and r*ddit claiming that
>>1656697>Downgraded to WuWa killer before it's even releasedGrim
>>1656697Nah
>[BREAKING NEWS]some streamers who gained access to the AK Enfield cnt seem to not have much feeling for the game's combat, the most appropriate comparison according to some is a combat system similar to Dragon Age, the game has dodge and parry but once in combat its as if they don't exist or unable to register
>>1656697Endfield looks like it will have more male characters than Wuwa and the combat is also basic compared to Wuwa.
>>1656719>Dragon Agefrom that i have seen, i guess the combat is similar to Dragon Age Inquisition, otherwise i couldn't give an opinion until i play it myself and see what the sensation is like.
>>1656507People are feeling cucked by a prostitute tier character?
>>1656726The average chinkcel demands that every playable character must suck their dick even if they never interact with their self-insert.
>>1656697It's not even vaguely a threat to Wuwa. Entirely different audiences, the graphics look worse and exploration doesn't look as big. I really don't even know what the devs are trying to do with it.
>>1656634>but at this point it's just 24/7 mihoyo shitflinging general for third-world reddit rejectsIt's almost a carbon copy of drama related tiebas.
>>1656727I mean, if she's a prostitute tier, you'd want her to suck your dick and not get attached.Why would you scream about getting "cucked" by a whore?
>>1656689surprised she had like 0 meaningful screen time for a character that comes in this patch, we spend most of the time with not-kevin
>>1656736Not really surprised, I expected it the moment I saw him pop up, either way I can agree with the general sentiment that 3.0's story is shit.
>>1656727>>1656734I'm seeing severe mental gymnastics here.
>>1656741If you got your dick sucked by a whore, would you feel cucked because she's fucking another guy later?Do you fall in love with every girl you touch?
>>1656742Gacha games????
>>1656742>he fell in love with a whore and she cheated on himHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>1656734Weren't pure gyarus a thing awhile back?So it's a thing.
>>1656744Yes, we're talking about a gachashit character>>1656746The point is that it seems some retards did, I want to understand why would you do that.
>>1656750Oh so you're a shitposter from vg, good to know.
>>1656751No? People just posted about it, and I'm trying to understand.She doesn't act like a prostitute, then?
>>1656750people here unironically think that. i would consider myself a moderate. As long as its not obvious cuck shit or yuri stuff, i dont really have an issue. If a game is fun, its fun. But these people then seethe at every single game while demanding "ML". Like what company will pander to these peopel if they even go after GFl2 or Azure Promillia which is 100% female. Even Snowbreak got cucked according to them
I see the Mihoyo defense force is still here.
>>1656753>As long as its not obvious cuck shit or yuri stuffI agree, the problem is though that someone mentally ill enough will ALWAYS find something to latch on to. Then you have gullible idiots that either don't play the source material, or just want to shitpost jump on it...and there you have "narratives" being pushed about characters or events in other games.
>>1656752>well let's assume she's a prostitute.Why would you go for someone who would cheat on you? just skip her and be happy
>the only and realwhoreglea
So....you guys hate 'X' game. Ok, understandable. A game is not for everyone after all. What I dont understand (at least base off this thread) is why do you keep yourself up to date on those games and actively look for yuri/cuck stuff (some of the things brought up seem to be out of context thing or just straight up does not exist?)If i do not like a something, i keep it away from me and look for things i enjoy. Why wake up everyday and think "yes, i want to be angry at X and look for things that i hate"I never understood this mentality
Hating Hoyoshit is morally correct.
>>1656758>why do you keep yourself up to date on those games and actively look for yuri/cuck stuffShitposters gotta shitpost
>>1656761ok, i see. I hope this is just people trolling but if there are people that actually spend their entire day seething at certain game as they actually actively look for them and then dream about cuck/yuri images then....that is a sad ass life. i am not gonna lie, you only got yourself to blame
>all this because someone dared to criticize ZZZI'm not surprised, but man this is why everyone hates Hoyokeks.
>>1656765Some of them are shitposter trying to bait people. But you are right that there are some that believes in it and actually look for them. At this point they can probably get a PhD in cuckoldry as they know so much about the topic which is ironic
>>1656765you can already see some of the people vague posting after you made that comment trying to get attention and (you). Its mostly shit posters. Maybe if they can actually get attention from real girls they wont beg for it on vmg
>>1656765>>1656767>>1656769You ok faggot? How long are you gonna keep going?
>>1656767>>1656769>>1656761ok i see. im kinda speechless but i guess you learn something new everyday i guess
hoyocuck stop
>>1656756Because she's hot, and you can fuck her and not deal with her mental problems later?What kind of question is that?
>>1656775so you are a cuckold
>>1656778Cuckoldry implies lasting relationships. I'm talking about pump and dump.
>>1656758there is a reason the whole ML movement never really took off (it had the potential after snow break and genshin's sumeru region)Many people were sick of males and wanted more (you) pandering and you can see some of the new game are leaning more to that areaBut because these people do not give objective constructive criticism and seethe over non issues, nobody is willing to listen outside of echo chambers like this one.Many casua would actually like to have character that like the mc or have the mc take a more prominent role but these people make us all look like literal losers so nobody sides with us
>>1656779she will be among your agents forever.
>>1656781It's a video game.
you all are fags who play shitty games that like to see you schizo
>>1656780Holy shit you've been at it all day. Did people shitting on ZZZ mindbreak you THAT much?
>the guy fucking different bitches every day? hes a cuckoldthe fuck am I reading
>>1656782not to them, they actively look for made up scenario so they can get angry at it.Noticed how all they can talk is cuckoldry and lesbianism? Imagine spending all day talking about that! What does that make you? Aren't you the cuck now?
>>1656780>there is a reason the whole ML movement never really took offThen did hoyo decide to go almost full female roster and make pathetic attempts at (you) pandering in Natlan?
>>1656785I'm not really following what you are trying to say here. I was talking about why the whole ML movement kinda failed as no game is willing to go full ML.I guess ZZZ could be an example as they have some you pandering but didn't go full on, at least based on what I heard. Did you play the game? I didn't really play it so I'm not 100% sure myself
>>1656784>most of gachaplayers always played hoyogames>hoyo always changes in patch 3.0 of all their games>playerbase become crazy because sunk costit all started from there and they don't learn. at this point is a it's a ritual for masochists
>>1656788see that is a start. Genshin see the mistakes that it made and now it is trying to correct it. Instead of encouraging this, people here shit on it. Now what message does this send to genshin, other companies and other players?They see this whole ML movement (which they may agree with on paper) as too "extremist". Why pander to them if they are going to shit on it? Might as well just meet halfwayNobody wants people that shit on game because its "mixed toilet" and the shit on games like GFL2 or AP, then go around shitting on games that are trying to pander to them more and then talk about cuckolding.
>>1656784It has already been said here thousands of times, one of its writers (limengan) declared that he likes to see players tear their hair out until they go bald, i don't know what else gachaplayers need to learn about hoyo they will never change
>>1656796but I am talking about all gachas tho they are all shit. just because you hate hoyo doesnt change the fact you play a shit game.
SO to talk about something more interesting, what are the overarching implications for things in relation to >>1656636 and >>1656639 for gacha?
>>1656800No no no we cant! How does that feed into my daily dose of cuckoldry? I need to collect enough evidence so I can prove I am not a cuck! Please sir, do you have any pics or videos that prove these game has cucks in it so I can fill up my daily quota?
>>1656800What qualifies as a lootbox?
>>1656800I don't really think much will change.From >>1656639Points 1, 4, & 5 seems like a rating change will do.2 doesn't demand anything but a separate direct purchase of tickets.3 just requires them to reveal the full rates including soft pity.
For a drama thread you guys sure rather look for cuck headcanon. What does this say about you?>>1656800Probably nothing will happen. 20 million seems like a tiny sum as epic was forced to by like half a billion
I am juggling 3 games genshit zzz and gfl2 spent like 4k last year and I'm looking forward to ananta and endfield.
>>1656813based gacha slurper.I play HSR, WuWa, ZZZ and GFL2. If Endfield and Ananta turn out to be actually enjoyable, i might drop GFL2 and HSR.
>>1656792oh no so sad poor Mihoyo lol
>>1656815and this is exactly why we will never get ML. Actual things that matter like discussion how to show companies ML matter like encouraging to skip male banner, or exposing homos and fujos hypocrisy to win over the casuals.Nope what do we do? Look for non existent cuckolding and dissing entire player base. Wow, that will sure win everyone over! You are the equivalent of PETA. Great ideas on paper like saving the animals but in reality everyone hates you. Why is that? Because you focus on outrage instead of real problem solving
>>1656820make sure Da Wei doesn't cry on stage again
>>1656820>he believes that the ML was born after 2020>tell this idiot that FGO is the father of ML and that it has been around for a long time
>>1656820>encouraging to skip male bannerOh this is great idea anon. Encourage no male character are the great first step to achieve full ml supremacy.by getting rid "mixed toilet" in gachage
>>1656824FGO are the proto ml. Not true ML gachage
>>1656826see there is so many ways to do it. I was even thinking about of have a thread that shows femcel/homo glazing males and then hating on "gross incel female fanservice." Casual hate when you diss their favorite characters. This created division and people eventually want to cater to themselves and kick the other group out.But no, people here are more concerned about looking for cuckoldry...why? Why look for something you hate? How does this help us? It literally make us look like real cucks
>>1656828it's the one that started ML that's because it's called Master Love, you idiots want to change history, China or Korea started that shit.
>>1656830>But no, people here are more concerned about looking for cuckoldry...why?>whyIt's how people sneak in jabs at the player. Just look at Snowbreak with their drama. You can't tell me with a straight face trying to sneak in "01"s as a reference to once of the old male characters that hit on one of the girls in front of you is anything but unhinged behavior, especially since it loses them their job.
>>1656828I'm glad you revealed your true intentions. No wonder ZZZ censorship is no "big deal" to you.
>>1656706Good, better pick someone of their size.
>>1656833where did ZZZ even come from? Can you explain this?
>>1656836This very thread? Are you ok lil bro?
>>1656837by my comment had nothing do it with it. i was talking to you about FGO and you randomly brough up ZZZ. Are we only allowed to talk about 1 thing only here? What is this, 1 topic per thread?
>>1656838the OG ML is that FGO from JP, the abnormal ML the Chinese and Koreans phagocytized it, that is not ML, it is an imitation.the best game that imitates ML and its not from JP is called blue archive that's because it is so popular in JP
>>1656838Yeah and I'm bringing it up because it's clear you're a mixed toilet lover. In fact you remind me of the femcel that used to spam "femorroid" and constantly posted retarded charts.
>>1656831Well, FGO maybe inspiring the whole ML movement, but FGO itself are not ML game, because that franchise itself are catering for normie demography>>1656833Meh, Why should i care with that shit? Mihoyo abandon core demography (male otaku) long ago. So i don't care any news from that company
>>1656842FGO is an ML game and it always has been, only idiots who weren't there at the beginning would say that, a complete tourist who started playing these games because of Genshin Impact.
>>1656841right...I simply made a comment about how I believed FGO may be seen as "proto ml" and that set you off on a melt down. Where did ZZZ come from? Who is this femcel? What chart are you talking about? Take a good look into the mirror and asked yourself who is the shizo one here. I am open to constructive on topic discussion.
>>1656843Anon. FGO itself has a male character and FeMC (Gudako). So it's not a true ML game (that title belong to Kancolle). Sure it has (you) pandering but it negates by two thing (male character, and FeMC) so what gives?
>>1656843can someone tell me why people call fgo ml? doesn’t that game have married couples ? unless ml has a different meaning
>>1656845YOU are the shizo femcel, stop pretending. Get the fuck out of here. I can bring up ZZZ as much as I want you retard! Why dont you start posting charts!
>>1656852>unless ml has a different meaningthe definition changes to suit the individual, just like mixed toilet.I don't mind FGO as much because we are talking about actual myths and stories...so you can sort of tell who will and won't be for (you). Granted this isn't always the case and they flip flop(Circe, Tamamo)
>>1656853you need to seek help. This will be my last reply to you as I accept your concession. Maybe stop seething about ZZZ and imaginary femcels all day you would be happier. Just to let you know i don't really frequent these thread so I legit have no idea who you are referencing or if they are real to begin with.
>>1656852>doesn’t that game have married couples ?tthis is where you show that you are indeed a tourist.
>>1656852FGO has true stories behind it, ergo that doesn't stop it from being ML, you seriously have been completely washed by the Chinese and Koreans.
>>1656852ML comes from FGOML means Master love.Master as in the main character in Fate. You should know why they are called masters if you are not a tourist.
>>1656667This. I thought the people pushing for ML were the sane ones until they started to see netorare in literally every small non-MC interaction. Maybe they're really just repressing their netorare fetish.
>>1656871>>1656843Let's be real if FGO released today literally everyone would call it mixed toilet with homos in it.
>>1656852Before the ch_nks freaked the fuck out ML just meant you'd have the majority of the cast be clearly for (You) even if a lot weren't direct confessions, though after all the Chinese meltdowns they took it to a more extreme view. There were couples in FGO such as Caesar and Cleopatra who were historically an actual thing, but if you squinted in some cases even THEY would be for (You), though in the case of Caesar he pretty much directly tells you he'd even be just fine letting you fuck Cleopatra. I think Brynhildr in your pic also had some lines that suggested she felt conflicted over loving you as well as Glasses there.
>>1656875If FGO released today, the usual problem people would complain that characters shouldn't be for (you), cuckpost and demand censorship. Your point?
>>1656882They do this now anyways.
>>1656882The argument is about classification, retard. Would tieba schizos look at FGO and say "hey this is the savior of our ML movement" with countless homos in it? Be honest.
>>1656885People are giving Wuwa a pass and that game has males. It could have become accepted with time.
>>1656886Because Wuwa literally has official art like thisOfficial art for (You)
>>1656890What the fuck is that autist Baizhi doing....
>>1656886Wuwa's male ratio is nowhere near FGO where even counting FSN half the gacha viable cast (Emiya, Archer, Lancer, Berserker, Gil) were males. Those people would froth at the mouth if FGO is (hypothetically) announced in 2025. The entire ML thing is just full of shit. ML when it pleases a subset of people, but homoge genshit-like mixed toilet when a game is announced and it has males in the cover. Just look at Ananta with Alan in it.
>>1656852It is. But I think it's stupid to use ML as slogan for this movement, because this movement is simply movement from (male) customers/players to demand developer to catered only to its playerbase. These demands are different and they're:1. FanserviceIt's not safe horny design like ZZZ. But true sexy design when developer makes sexy character. So no spats/fabric/items that covers boobs, ass, navel, etc.2. HaremSimply, it's no male playable character other than MC.3. (You) panderingNow this is the closest term to ML. It's about shipping playable characters to player and/or power fantasy for player.4. No shippingOf course shipbaiting is included.5. LoyaltyIt's okay for developer to chase wider audience, as long as they don't do so in expense for their core playerbase.
>>1656894You forgot to type femorrhoid, bro.
>>1656895If we're using FGO as a standard for ML all these things are thrown out of the window. >>1656897Stop using inane buzzwords and actually argue the point. Is FGO with 10000 homos in it, ML or mixed toilet?
>>1656897KekHaven't seen femorrhoid schizo since the new updates of the big games dropped
you can notice the chinese trash on this forum when they use "mix bath"
>>1656893Thinking how many babies you're going to put in her
>>1656890WOMAN X WOMAN INTERACTION??? AM I THE CAMERA HERE??? NOOOOO I AM KEKED
>>1656898It's mixed toilet. Did you read this post>>1656895 ?You're just arguing semantic. FGO is proto Genshin and it's not acceptable for ML crowd. I agree though that it's ironic, considering they're using FGO term. That's why I prefer to use "spicy immortal" term.
>>1656906>You're just arguing semanticYes I am, because I also found it ironic that they're parading FGO as the pinnacle of ML when it's the most mixed toilet shit ever. Glad we've agreed.
kek this zzz redditor has been defending it for 11 hours straightreally show me how good his life is
>>1656895Yeah good luck looking for live service company that'd be willing to walk on a tightrope just to pleasure a small fraction of people.
>>1656927So true fellow femorrhoid.
>>1656918Can you move on? We're talking about FGO now. Get on with times old man instead of seething about the past
>>1656095For me it's WuWa/ZZZ>AK>GFL2. Wuwa and ZZZ has good combat and interesting story. AK was my first gacha so it will always be special. GFL2 is just ok I guess. Not great but not bad...for now
How did wuwon so hard
>>1656988Lol, who cares about wuwa?
>>1656894>Those people would froth at the mouth if FGO>He wasn't there in /fgog/ when shipbait females are released.
>>1656927You just posted one.
>>1657005cgdct is not niche THOUGH
HSR just sent a new message thru redemption code which our friends at NGA tried decrypting the real meaning behind it.
Perfect World is struggling. Can NTE revive the company?https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9424870776
ZAMN nice skybox arknots.
>>1657017A small irrelevant studio like Hotta won't be able to revive anything.
>>1657009So true, fellow femorrhoid.
>>1657021better than ZZZ
