I decided to start a playthrough of Black 2. I've never actually played this game before but decided to give it a shot because I keep hearing how good it is. I used PKHeX to turn on Challenge Mode since apparently unlocking it normally is a pain. I will post my progress as I play!
oh boy
Challenge Mode is bugged and arguably easier than Normal Mode because the game assigns enemy Pokémon stats based on their Normal Mode levels, while still giving you increased exp as though they had the Challenge Mode levels. In other words, you fight the same Pokémon as on Normal Mode but get more exp for it. Some Gym Leaders get more shitmons on their teams but those aren't gonna kill you anyway so it's more exp
>>56085109this was debunked
I decided to pick Tepig but I don't particularly like any of the starters
>>56085118It has been explicitly bunked and is well-documented
>>56085136no it was debunked
>>56085143Ok
I got to the ranch. This is my team so far
damn this guy is a sperg kek
>>56085102>I used PKHeX to turn on Challenge Modeyou didn't beat the game
>>56085208well yeah, he just started
dunno why he bothered giving me a choice, but ok
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made it to the gym leader! Let's do this!
Managed to beat him on the first try! He used a lot of Potions and berries so it was kind of tedious lol
I didn't realize Riolu was in the ranch so I decided to back and catch one
>>56085102Damn another Black 2 playthrough already.Well good luck OP>>56085379That's BW2 you can always expect cool encounters.Use habitat mode btw
>>56085228OP is using BizHawk isn't he?
>>56085232>lv 14 by the first gymDid you grind for a couple of hours before attempting the gym?
>>56085408nta but it's very easy to get lv14 unless you want to train all your 6 mons right before the first gym. Not exactly the best idea
>>56085102Oh wow, and this is just after I beat it today
>>56085448You get to spectate now. Looks like we got another Lucario enjoyer
I beat Roxie!I just used Work Up to +4 and then swept her with Flame Charge lol
>>56085543You also got a planned team or still waiting to find something you actually want to use?
>>56085408Honestly being 2 or 3 levels above the gym isn't totally abnormal if you do a lot of optional stuff, I'd say it's mostly within level range, especially with Challenge Mode interacting weirdly with EXP scaling.
>>56085543Thats a few levels higher than I was when I got to her. I played in regular mode tho so maybe its just how challenge mode works
>>56085609Gen 5 EXP formula multiplies base EXP for the level difference.Challenge mode makes it so trainer battles have higher levelled mons, but not necessarily more threatening, effectively making it easier to keep up
>>56085618Oh, that explains why lower level pokemon started yielding less exp the more my pokemon leveled up. I thought I was going schizo before
>>56085109Bulbapedo says this also happens for easy mode, I wonder if it was actually intentional.
>>56085379>>56085543>2 fighting types Yikes
>>56085714>she doesn't monotypeYou even get achievements for it in BW2
>>56085391no it's yawnfag
>>56085556I'm just using what I likethis is my team so far I'm about to fight burgh
>>56085725Surely he isn't the only one who takes screenshots in this format, after all it's the standard for at least one somewhat well-known frontend.
beat him, nothing too crazy so far
>>56085781Already? I must be a slow player, took me a day after I started my journey to get to burgh. I wish I could play pokemon games in one sitting again...
>>56085781You're not going to have trouble with anything until Marlon, then you'll beat Marlon and not have trouble with anything after.
>>56085806There's Ghetsis
>>56085797Pokemon is better played slow imo.It took me 3 days to go from the intro to Burgh
>>56085806What? Marlon is the most piss easy gym leader in the game. Its Elesa and Drayden you have to look out for.
>>56085822I'm doing a run and Elesa got bodied by a random Lopunny I caught in the sewers because her team literally doesn't cause damage. Emboar is doing it just fine. Sadly I didn't keep a screenshot.
games easy whats there to say
>>56085844Maybe I'm mixing up BW1 Elesa with BW2 Elesa, in the sequel she doesn't have 2 emolgas, just the one
>>56085725I mean he was eerily silent during the actual B2W2 playthrough. Now I see why.
Current team. About to do 4th gym
that time I just mashed Heat Crash lol, it 1hko'd everything except Zebstrika
>>56085719Except it doesn't look like OP will beat the league with a Fighting-only team.
>>56086018Quick question OP, why are you still carrying Mareep, Growlithe, and Lucario? Mareep especially. It can't learn any HM moves, so it isn't an HM slave. I don't understand the thought process.
>>56086050Mareep is there to catch Pokemon with Static/Thunder Wave and Growlithe is there if I need Intimidate. Lucario is just because I have nothing else to use lol
>>56086065I don't think Intimidate is that necessary or convenient to have a dedicated slot JUST for Intimidate pivoting. I also think you'd have a better time landing a para if Mareep was stronger. As for Lucario's slot, bring back that bird so you can teach it fly for fast travel.
>>56086129>trying to give yawnfag actual advice you know damn well he'll never use
>>56086292...OP's not coming back, is he?
>>56086129I don't need to make Mareep stronger because I have stat reduction moves and I haven't found a need for HMs because the game barely has any.>>56086378I was taking a break, calm down lmao
beat claydidn't need to bother using emboar this time
>>56086378he needs to spend hours grinding to make the game look bad
>>56086629I spent hours grinding...to make my Pokemon 2 levels higher? You ok anon?
>>56086635>You ok anon?you cannot stop giving yourself away every time holy shit
>>56086642Get a grip anon. I have no clue what you're talking about.Also I found this Volcarona...I'll try to catch it but I probably won't bother using it
wow a pony
beat SkylaI actually forgot to equip the Lucky Egg until I got to the gym so I missed like 15 trainers worth of extra exp I could've gotten lolI'll probably take a break for the day and continue tomorrow. I caught Litwick so I'll probably train that next
>>56087013Who uses the fucking Lucky Egg? It's basically completely unnecessary and I don't even know why they give it to you during the main story. This isn't like forgetting to turn off EXP Share in Gen 6 or 7, you simply don't need to go out of your way to use it. Especially with how you're not training the rest of your team at all, basically.
>>56087043>challenge mode>still need to handicap yourself to make it hardlmao
These threads make the game look so small. There again, I play it slow myself
>>56087013>intentionally use lucky egg when you're only using half of your team>WHAT THE FUCK WHY IS EVERYTHING DYING IN 1 HIT? CLEARLY IT'S THE GAME'S FAULT AND NOT MINE
>>56088266who are you quoting?
>>56087043>Who uses the fucking Lucky Egg?I used it, because Professor Juniper gives it to you at the Celestial Tower. You don't go out of your way to find it, you just head for the tower up the route and she gives it to you when you interact with her.>>56087013You should probably get an Excadrill. Its fast, bulky, and pretty much tears into everything even better than Emboar
Bumping for you, Yawnfag. It's been 12 hours, surely you've gotten every medal by now.
>>56088355>You don't go out of your way to find it, you just head for the tower up the route and she gives it to you when you interact with her.that's going out of your way to find it
>>56088565I guess we have different definitions of "going out of your way" because I thought that there was a lot more rigamarole into getting inside Relic Castle's basement through the Relic Passage than it was walking to the Celestial Tower
>>56087043>Who uses the fucking Lucky Egg?me>>56088355>You should probably get an ExcadrillOk, I'll try it. This is my team now, I just got out of Reversal Mountain.
lmao wtf
>>56089326This is the weidest route of this game, I feel like it's only there in the main story because Abudant Shrine got Vulpix and Bronzor. All Pokémon in this route appear in other routes.
fag isn't even going to finish the game lol
>>56089936i would drop it too if it was this easy
>>56089941playing like a retard ≠ the game being easy
>>56090002Cry is free
finally made it to the next gym
>>56089941That reminds me of the guy who steamrolled most of Emerald with just his starter but actually struggled with the E4, which says to me that even playing that way can be hard if you don't use items in battle.
>>56090039>Excadrill is 17 levels higher, despite being overlevelled alreadyYou actually just spent the past 3 hours grinding lmao
are you making a .gif of this one, too?
>>56090039Why the fuck are you grinding so much? I bet this retard is THE yawnfag.
>>56090052It is.
>>56090052>>56085228>>56085725
>>56090046>>56090052>grindingnope, there's just a massive gap between the 6th and 7th gym with a lot of trainersalso I wasted some time trying to catch a lapras
>>56085408This bro warned us and we didn't listen. This retard is yawnfag who always grinds 10 hours before every gym and then complain he's 10 lvs above the gym leaders.
>>56090062>nope, there's just a massive gap between the 6th and 7th gym with a lot of trainersBullshit
>>56090077>lentimas town>reversal mountain>undella town>route 13>route 14>undella bay>lacunosa town>route 12>village bridge>route 11>route 9This was ALL between gym 6 and 7. The entire game before this has only had like 2 routes at most between each gym. The pacing is weird.
>>56090090Show your in-game timer yawnie downie.
>>56085408BW and BW2 have the opposite problem of RBY and GSC - your Pokemon are always horribly overleveled for Gyms and the E4. This is why Gen 5 is considered to be the turning point at which the games became too easy (that and dungeon puzzles being non-existent and fucking Pokemon Centers in them)
>>56090151>BW and BW2 have the opposite problem of RBY and GSC - your Pokemon are always horribly overleveled for Gyms and the E4you're making shit up
>>56090155It's just the truth. RBY and GSC made sure Gyms/E4 were actual video game boss battles with higher levels than you. Gen 5 was when GF caved to the pressure of parents complaining to them that Pokemon was "too hard". >>56089326This kind of shit is preposterous as well. Tajiri would never have let this fly in Gens 1 and 2.
>>56090174nah, BW and BW2 are easily harder than any of the games before them. some dumbass playing the game like an idiot doesn't disprove this
Why do you all feel the need to defend/hate certain gens so strongly?
this legendary is sitting here but I don't really feel like spending time catching it
>>56090186what else are you going to do in this board? it's either this or coom
>>56090178>BW>anything harder than cynthialamo
>>56090186Because there is a difference in quality between them. The reason that current Pokemon is so fucking dogshit in 2024 is because the slippery slope led us here. New entries in a series are supposed to take everything good from previous entries and improve them further. Pokemon for some reason stopped improving after only 2 entries in their series, and the downgrade has just gotten worse and worse over the decades. It's only through vocal opposition that Game Freak actually listens, which is why we are strong on this - PLA was a step in the right direction but still not quite enough. Hopefully LZA can refine it and give us our first amazing Pokemon game in over 15 years. I'm not counting on it though.
>>56090204Fair enough, I should have assumed being a literal retard was the answer but it never hurts to ask.>>56090213You have autism. Not even joking or insulting. You always use the same phrases in all your posts, don't understand opinions, obsess over a series you apparently haven't liked in 20 years. It's fucked up.
damn and now hugh is already telling me to fight the 8th gym lol
d-did she say....
>>56090225>I have noticed a decline in quality in this product I used to love? I wonder why this is? Maybe the same old tired progression, lack of innovation, stagnant gameplay routine? >durrr i dnt like what ur saying so it must be coz ur autistic You clearly don't understand what autism is. Autistic people stick to their passion religiously, regardless of changes in quality, e.g. Joe Merrick. Having standards is not autism. It's having standards.
last gymI found a cave south of the town to sweep through first
>>56090039>level 60Chill bruh, you can whack the champion just fine at level 55. No need to grind that hard.>>56090062>nope, there's just a massive gap between the 6th and 7th gym with a lot of trainersI fought every trainer on the road between 6 and 7, and my pokemon hovered between 45-48 when I got to Drayden. I know you're not using that many pokemon, but the exp yields peter out the higher your level is relative to wild or npc trainer pokemon. The fuck did you do?
>>56090338>I fought every trainer on the road between 6 and 7, and my pokemon hovered between 45-48 when I got to Draydenyes because you wasted exp on 6+ pokemon at once and probably didn't use the lucky egg out of pity for the game lmao
>>56090341The lucky egg you get from Professor Juniper? I did use it. I also didn't have a full team of 6 until I got to the gym's doors.
>>56090335wish they put the effort they used to create the Pokestar Studio's backgrounds into the gym leader's backgrounds. major eyesore
Reminder that if you want to seethe about Pokemon's difficulty, you're obligated to post your Hall of Fame time. Anyone with a time of over 10 hours will not be taken seriously.
>>56090231>>56090335>13 level jumpYup
this shitposting doesn't even make sense with the narrative he tries to peddle regarding challenge mode. the gen 5 exp. system will adjust your levels to match the opponents you fight. but he claims that since the stats in challenge mode are the same as in normal mode, the nominally higher levels would make you technically overleveled. so he should be around the same level as whatever gym leaders he's fighting, except the retard is still grinding to be even more overleveled.
>>56090371It wasn't him who said that, it was me before I realised it was Yawnfag or anything. He replied to me with the "debunked" shitposts because it would conflict with the overlevelling point he would attempt to force later.
>>56090375he says it in other threadsalso that "debunked" shitpost was me sorry
>>56090369>lucky egg + curved exp giving underleveled pokemon massive amounts of exp + challenge mode boosting the levels on the dozens of npc trainers the game spams at youyup>>56090371>still can’t prove he’s grinding>uxie avatarfag once again proves himself to be a low iq shitposter
>>56090371>he's overlevelling on purpose to spite ME Holy fuck bro, not everyone considers BW or BW2 to be le gratest evar xD, so what? It's amazing that you think someone is just playing through an entire game ironically and for the sole purpose of genwarring just to upset YOU. Or maybe just accept that it's an honest review of a mediocre game?
>>56090378>uxie avatarfagnigga
>>56090378Using a single Pokémon to blast through absolutely everything is a known way to cheese Pokémon games and you simply refrain from doing so if you want to have a more enjoyable experience with them. Every little kid plays that way, but adults spread their exp thinner to make it more interesting and rewarding.You are still clearly grinding excessively despite that though.
>>56090365isn't taking the time to explore the game's optional content what the developers intended by putting it there? seems weird to gatekeep based on the things that make the game supposedly great.
>>56090378>>56090384>"I've been found out"
>>56090386>emboar>gothitelle>scolipede>excadrill>lapras>single pokemonIs this why BW2fags think the game is hard? Their IQ is so low they can’t count? KEKIf OP was ACTUALLY using a single pokemon he would have a lv75+ Emboar by now
>>56090384Now he's pulling out the Wojaks, what a gay
>>56090388You're right, I should pet every Pokemon in Amie and max my EXP Pass Power as fast as I can in my next XY playthrough, good advice.
>>56090404Between your last two party screenshots only your lead gained any levels and the rest was mostly stagnant, showing that you are soloing. It's not a whole-game starter solo but you are essentially doing the same thing and grinding to compensate for those levels you are missing from a true solo.
>mentions the curved exp giving more levels to underleveled pokemon>but not it giving less levels to underleveled pokemon>when his pokemon have been consistently overleveled the entire gamecurious
>>56090418>yourI’m not OP, sagefag.>y-you’re soloing which is why you have multiple high level pokemon and your other pokemon are still gaining levelsfunny cope.
>>56090432sagefag doesn't exist retardthe reason you keep getting the same responses is because you keep making the same posts
>>56090432Who is "sagefag"? What are some other aspects of this person so I can properly roleplay them?
yeah post that infographic yawnie, teach this man the ways of the sagefag
>>56090371>>56090375For the record, I don't know who is who since all my autism is dedicated to Pokemon and not keeping track of anonymous identities. I don't understand how this thread went to shitpostville that quickly. I didn't have any problems at all in my thread, and while I questioned OPs decisions I thought he was playing earnestly.I also don't really get the fixation on having difficult pokemon games or the thought that more difficulty means better pokemon games. I played through everything from Red to BW2 recently and the biggest thing they all had in common was how it allowed you to define your difficulty. You could choose to use items in battle or not and you could anticipate and prepare for stronger opponents however you liked. That freedom is why pokemon games are so accessible, and why self made challenges like Nuzlockes took off so much. I don't think pokemon games ever need to be hard, because you can choose to make it hard for yourself. I think that mindset is best reflected in the medal system where one of the challenge medals you earn is by beating the pokemon league with only one pokemon. The challenge is there, you just have to seek it out.
>>56090456yawnfag is obsessed with difficulty because people gave newer games shit for being overly casualized
yawn bull teaching them a lesson.
>>56090456I agree entirely, Pokémon games are very customisable by nature and anyone can "beat" them with the tools provided, but the way someone does so may not be fulfilling for someone else. Every 6 year old must be able to beat them, so every game is easily cheeseable, but saying the games are "easy" by exploting that as hard as possible is disingenuous and doesn't really mean anything. If you avoid trainers, expand your team quickly, and avoid using items, the games can be perfectly challenging and very interesting. The ability to ignore this and mash A with one Pokémon for the whole game doesn't take that way.That said, some games like XY are still way too easy and you can't make them hard in any natural way. there are still inherent differences in the difficulty of the games, between the level curve, Pokémon availability, enemy trainer sets, etc.
>>56090414those things aren't lauded as positives for XY. taking the time to explore all the nooks and crannies of the game's map is considered a major selling point of the 1-5 games however, so it seems counter-intuitive to believe that if you're not speedrunning the game then you're playing it incorrectly.
>>56090456So we agree he's making the game easier by going out of his way to use the Lucky Egg, I think that's a pretty agreeable statement. I don't think Gen 5 is difficult, I don't think it would ever be with EXP scaling making sure you're never underleveled, but it's also far from the easiest even if you go out of your way to use everything available to you. That's definitely XY, the skill floor is in the fucking basement and the skill ceiling is barely around average.>>56090484The fuck are you on about? Amie is fucking iconic and has way more effort put into it than anything else in the game, and Pass Powers were a huge part of the game when online still worked. They're definitely high points. Not like the EXP All, which is arguably detrimental for the campaign, and which I didn't mention.
>>56085102When are you going to post your in-game time yawnie dawnie?
>>56090445Somebody saged yawnie dawnie's thread and he thinks "sage" is a namefag who tried to attack him. Now everyone who disagrees with him is "sagefag" for yawnie dawnie.
Man, people really are mad, huh? I took a short break and the thread turned into a clusterfuck lmaoanyway another free legendary I'm too lazy to catch lol
>I took a short break
I'm not really buying that someone who grinds for hours straight is "too lazy" to catch a legendary in 5 minutes
>>56090529>grindswhat grinding?
>>56090497worded it poorly. using amie and pass powers (for XP) in XY's campaign would be discouraged as most people believe it makes the game too easy and are negative aspects when used that way. compared to this, people claim that the more complex maps and things to do within them of older games are direct positives that set these games apart from the newer games in terms of quality.
>>56090533Yes.
>>56090481Yeah, you get it. The older games are only really harder because there's less resources to rely on due more to hardware limitations than deliberate scarcity, but even then since the first game you always had items to use at your leisure.>That said, some games like XY are still way too easy and you can't make them hard in any natural way.That game is actually next on my list to play. I haven't played it in a decade so I can't comment on it with confidence, but I remember hearing stuff about the Exp. All being way overtuned or something. I might use it and see what thats about.
>>56090566Other problems with XY include enemy trainers having too few Pokémon and the game giving you free megas, including the dumbass Mega Lucario. It honestly would require an extensive rework of the whole game to salvage the difficulty
>>56090574>It honestly would require an extensive rework of the whole game to salvage the difficultyYep. Just like BW2.
>>56090581You can just play BW2 normally like anyone else and it would be fine
>>56090581hush, the adults are talking
>>56090583>You can just play BW2 normally like anyone else and it would be fineOP is playing it normally and he's breaking the game.
>>56090574the game gives you way too many other giftmons too
>>56090574Free Terrakion and how many Pokemons does the Elite 4 have again? Ooooooooooooooooh
>>56090589why are you talking about yourself in the third person
>>56090497> So we agree he's making the game easier by going out of his way to use the Lucky Egg, I think that's a pretty agreeable statement.Shit, was that not obvious? Level 60 Excadrill before Drayden is fucking bonkers, even speedrunners using solo Excadrill are usually levels 47-50 at that point. I think its a waste of time going that high desu
>>56090589None of us break the game when we play as we see fit.>>56090594>Free TerrakionYou have to catch it, are Articuno and Moltres "free" in Gen 1 too? They are similarly just sitting right in your path. Might as well call any box legendary "free" by the same metric.A difference is also that not using legendaries is a more common understanding among players, since they are dishonourable, while Lucario is a "normal" Pokémon.
>>56090602>None of us break the game when we play as we see fit.OP is breaking the game when he plays as he sees fit, meanwhile you're screeching at him to not use the Lucky Egg because it reveals how easy the game is KEK
okay we've had our fun now stop feeding the troll
>>56090574>Mega LucarioI'm snatching its megastone and putting it on the lucario I raised immediately, lol
>>56090606It's ok if you play how you want but you are cheating yourself out of enjoyment from the game. It has no bearing on our experience.
>>56090609No
>>56090621Yep, just like you playing XY how you want has no bearing on me arbitrarily handicapping myself to pretend XY is hard as a coping mechanism.
>>56090632By your logic, games like Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze are easy since you can just die a bunch of times and then let Funky beat the level for you. Possibilities like that are in the game to allow kids to progress, since they are a primary audience, but a self-respecting adult would not play that way. The fact that you can reach a game's credits without putting much effort into it provided you abuse these possiblities is meaningless. Not doing something because it is unfun is not "arbitrarily handicapping", it is just choosing to have fun with a game. Grinding for hours is not fun, mashing A with a single Pokémon for the whole game is not fun. You yourself do not have fun with the game, you're trying to make good on the time investment by using it to troll but I also think you genuinely believe these things and fail to understand.
>>56090606If OP wants to grind to level 60 for his Excadrill, he's as free as he wants to be even if I find the method strange compared to how I play. We can't really stop the guy from playing how he wants to play, but I want to make clear that Pokemon games were never that hard to break if you really wanted to break them.
>>56090652using an item that's incredibly easy to find that there's no downside to using != going out of your way to die a bunch of times>>56090656>grindyou keep using this word, I don't think you know what it means.
>>56090660>using an item that's incredibly easy to find that there's no downside to using != going out of your way to die a bunch of timesYou could simply not use the item. For example, I generally do not use the Master Ball to catch legendaries because I think it cheapens the experience of catching them. That is not an "arbitrary handicap".Besides, the item is not the root of the problem here. You were already grinding and overlevelling long before you got it, and if it were not in the game nothing would change for you. I also would use the item to get lower level Pokémon up to speed, such as if I recently caught something and wanted to use it.I do not think you would have to go out of your way to die in a game such as DKCTF for the record. I think you would die more than enough times naturally, since you have to play even Pokémon in the most cowardly and babyish way possible.
>>56090656playing like a 10-year-old is fineplaying like a 10-year-old, insisting that anyone who doesn't is a retard, and shitting on the game for being easy and unengaging is not
>>56090671>j-just handicap yourself broI can do the same thing in XY
>>56090676OP hasn't even complained a single time about the game being easy lmaoYou just started having a meltdown and started shitposting because you realized OP was trivializing your precious childhood le ebin golden era peak of the series masterpiece.
>>56090677I do not think you can, actually. It's hard to think of any way to play XY organically while being challenged by it without dragging it to the point of absurdity.In any case, you are entirely avoiding the substance of my posts.
>>56090660Alright, I'll just tell you what I think grinding meansGrinding: encountering and defeating enemies for an extended period of time in order to obtain EXP, money, items, or other rewardsAnything wrong with this definition? I didn't want to be overly verbose.
>>56090684>I do not think you can, actually.Yeah, just like Gen 5.
>>56090688It is easily possible to play Gen 5 in a way that avoids overlevelling, and results in a satisfactorily challenging experience. It requires not maximally abusing every single tool available, that much is true. But the presence of a button does not mean it *should* be clicked. For example, why not just play Easy Mode? That would be even more effective to demonstrate your point. Anyone who plays above Easy Mode is arbitrarily handicapping themselves.
>>56090695>It is easily possible to play Gen 5 in a way that avoids overlevellingYeah, just like XY.
>>56090533The grinding you've been doing for hours.
>>56090697It is not, but if you want to make a thread where you pretend to get owned by every Gym Leader in XY and rave about how difficult the game is and how it's demanding your all, I'm all for it.
>>56090704>It is notIt is.> but if you want to make a thread where you pretend to get owned by every Gym Leader in XY and rave about how difficult the game is and how it's demanding your all,That's what you do with BW2 all the time as a coping mechanism, KEK
>>56090679>OP hasn't even complained a single time about the game being easy lmaoTrue, but he has denied grinding levels which I find pretty deceitful and distasteful. He didn't need to lie.
I don't follow. What BW2 giving you too much Exp has anything to do with XY?
>>56090706why not just play Easy Mode? Anyone who plays above Easy Mode is arbitrarily handicapping themselves.
>>56090709Borts deflect to better gens as always.
>>56090708You haven't actually proved he's grinding levels. You just keep claiming he is because you're in denial over how poorly designed your ebin golden era masterpiece peak of the series masuda's magnum opus game is.
Got to (presumably) the final showdown with Colress
>>56090709I don't fucking know where XY came from, anon. I came into this thread to see another guy play BW2 after my own playthrough thread concluded and there ended up being really dumb arguments. I just hope he beats the game.
>>56090721If that techno music with the 5-4-3-2-1 in the background is playing, its the last one.
>>56090717So why are you not playing on Easy Mode? Are you really that dumb that you're arbitrarily handicapping yourself to make the game look harder? Do you know how much time you're wasting here?
>>56090151>fucking Pokemon Centers in themi've never fucking understood this argument. rest points in dungeons are nothing new to RPG games. all it does is save you time,>b-b-but it removes the danger from the dungeonunderleveled wild shitmons you're just going to run from anyways aren't going to make you whiteout, and if they are then you have bigger problems. same applies for shitmon route trainers with one, maybe two pokemon
>>56090679why are you talking about yourself in the third person
>>56090709>What BW2 giving you too much Exp has anything to do with XY?You're grinding though, you have a lv 63 mon on your team, that's post E4 levels. proof: this is the team I used to beat B2 when I was a teen and I did grind and defeat all the trainers.
>>56090734>all it does is save you time,Just like all the features in XY you complain about, sagefag.
It's quite possible that Yawnfag did not "grind" but really did just pkhex his levels, which is why he's going for this angle where we are supposed to "prove" he grinded. The way he goes into weird Ace Attorney murderer speech patterns on this point is really funny.
>>56090717>You haven't actually proved he's grinding levels.We don't have recordings of what he's doing, but I am comparing my experience to his, and for the most part my pokemon's levels always compared somewhat evenly to the gyms and E4 levels. You don't get to level 60 before Drayden on accident is all I'm saying. Also, I never said BW2 was the series peak, and I can't say that until I've played every game.
>>56090738>MisdreavusWhat the fuck you can catch one in this game??? I never saw it. Shame that you missed the dusk stone though, its a hidden item somewhere in the game
>>56090717>You haven't actually proved he's grinding levels. >>56090738 Arcanine was my highest lv mon
>>56090738>>56090754god misdreavus is so sexy
>>56090749>but I am comparing my experience to his, and for the most part my pokemon's levels always compared somewhat evenly to the gyms and E4 levels.because you didn't use lucky egg, and/or because you trained 6+ pokemon evenly for literally no reason and/or because you aren't playing on challenge mode and/or because you skipped a bunch of trainers.
>>56090759>and/or because you trained 6+ pokemon evenly for literally no reasonIt is fun to do so. Do you have more fun doing otherwise?
>>56090759Isn't OP also training 6 Pokemon fairly evenly?
>>56090766Nope. >>56090533
>>56090759Stop lying yawnie downie, here's my White 2 challenge (hard) mode run and my highest lv mon is 65 after the league and I traded most of my team so I could use fossilmons (so I even had boosted EXP)
It's pretty well known that Pokefags are stupid but this "grinding" shit it really dumb. Everyone complaining about it are probably adhd zoomers who always tried to skip trainers and walked through the grass the easiest way to avoid encounters and never finished the Pokedex and now cry that its grinding to fight every trainer
>>56090776
>>56090779You know what, when I do my XY playthrough, I'm going to catch a living Pokedex. Guess I'll need the EXP All after all.
>>56090779The ability to avoid trainers is an intentional design element to allow you to choose your own difficulty. "Finishing the Pokedex" does not inherently cause you to overlevel without catch exp, and potentially has the entirely opposite problem when you need to evolve dozens of mons to register their evolutions. We ignore the Pokedex anyway because it is not what we play for.
Begone Ghetsis!
>>56090779>this "grinding" shit it really dumbYou were literally proven wrong yawnie downie.
>>56090791>lv 72This faggot grinded all day kek
>>56090788>We ignore the Pokedex anyway because it is not what we play forBased onlineGOD we grind the online ladder right?
>>56090800I just want to have fun raising Pokémon I like and having a nice RPG adventure
>>56090791With how the EXP works on gen 5 I'm sure you were grinding nonstop today. Yawnie are you a NEET?
>>56090759I did use Lucky Egg actually, it was for this little guy I caught in the Celestial tower a few days back, and I wanted him around the same level range as my team. I fought the trainers I could fight on every route that didn't hide them behind HMs save for Surf, I only had 6 pokemon when I got to Drayden, and I was on normal mode since I didn't use PkHex to unlock Challenge mode. That was my honest experience. If Challenge Mode is really just a level adjustment upwards, then his pokemon should more or less reflect the levels of the gym leaders if he isn't deliberately grinding above the Gym leader's levels.
>>56090786Good, living shiny Pokedex is the ultimate goal of the games.>>56090805Damn you raising Pokemon without using Pokedex at all? How does that work?
wtf I found this tree I can walk through by pure accident KEK
>>56090791>72Goddamn. You must really hate Ghetsis. I get it.
>>56090809Well the game is perfectly playable without ever clicking the Pokedex button and in Gen 1 you can probably glitch that but what I mean is I'm not catching things on purpose to fill out the Pokedex. I might in Kanto games for the rewards sometimes
>>56090808He is definitely grinding levels here we have an anon whose party has lvs below what Yawntard showed as their hall of fame entry>>56090780>>56090738
>>56090816That tracks with the levels I got to the league with. I think mine are lower actually, I can get screenshots too
>>56090812>by pure accident>implying you don't already have the wiki page for glitches in the game bookmarked so you can post it as a gotcha anytime it's convenient
>>56090819Which kind of paranoia is that?
>>56090818Yeah I definitely grinded on arcanine (as a growlithe) around the midgame to get flare blitz so I expect my team to actually be on the upper level of a normal playthrough
>>56090815I mean yeah you can call Poker playable while throwing the cards up in the air and kicking the table. Shame that people forgot the soul of Pokemon this soon.
>>56090819if OP was doing that he would've also posted the surf tree in pokestar studios and the broken grass tile in the ranchsagefag, you are way too much of a paranoid schizo over your game having flaws
>>56090819Nope, it really was an accident. I was just looking around for items and I just accidentally walked into it lmao
>>56090828This was never the soul and less than 5% of players ever played for the Pokedex, it was a neat marketing gimmick though
>>56090828Catching mons don't give you experience in earlier games though, I almost always try to complete the regional dex during my playthroughs and I'm never above the champion's ace level on some games I'm 10-15 lv below (FRLG mostly).
You know it's really impressive that OP and the retard defending him rarely post within seconds of each-other, you think it would be a lot more common with how busy the thread is and how much that retard is trying to own everyone else.
>>56090829>names other glitches he just pulled from the wiki to try to refute that he's checking the wiki for glitches
>>56090833Sad times indeed...
>>56090829>>56090831>31 seconds apartJesus fucking Christ, I haven't seen this level of samefag in ages
>>56090844yawnkek same days from xer phone and desktop all the time
>>56090831Why won't you show your in-game timer lil bro?
>>56090748my crackhead schizo theory is that he's not actually playing the game right now and posting screenshots in real time, his images are from over several days of playing. that's why he wasn't trying to shit up the other Black 2 playthrough.
>>56090854That's very plausible, he does clean all the filenames too. I would like to see his bottom screen.
>>56090854>>56090856I literally decided to use Excadrill because someone in this thread suggested I use Excadrill. Why are you so upset over me just playing the game?Anyway, I'm headed to Victory Road!
>>56090861You're saying that like you didn't suggest it to yourself. The same post where that happened you literally defend yourself using the Lucky Egg.
>>56090833i feel like they added the habitat list as a sort of singleplayer "dex completion" equivalent. like you can't catch everything in the regional dex, and certainly not the natdex, but if you can at least find everything available in the wild, that's good enough.
>PST yep, it's yawnfag and he's samefagging on his phone. why disable 4chanx but not at least change your timezone
>>56090861> Earthquake 16/16Where did you get the PP Ups for that lil bro?
>>56090864OH SHIT >>56088355 THE PLOT THICKENSi was joking but i'm starting to actually believe it
>>56090861Why don't you show your in-game timer anon?
>>56090869I found them randomly in the game. I also have 6 rare candies. Should I use them before I fight the E4?
>sagefag is so insecure that he'll invent a bunch of schizo theories before simply conceding that his game made for toddlers is a game made for toddlers>he unironically thinks one poster on the board lives in PST time zoneseek help, sagefag.
>>56090878>Should I use them before I fight the E4?You're already grossly overleveled but you already know that since you won't show your in-game timer.
>>56090878You missed at least 1 PP Up, you should go back for it
>>56090861What's the point of grinding for hours yawnfag? I bet you're using x2 or x3 speed as well.
>>56090864>>56090873Nah nah wait wait hold on, I told him to get Excadrill. I saw that he was going for a mostly solo run so I figured that he should use Excadrill since Emboar is pretty slow and frail
>>56090887I found another one here just now lol
>>56090878I don't think you can buy elixirs or ethers, so if you're mostly relying on 1 or 2 pokemon for the E4 you should use them. Also jesus you're fast
>yawnfag starts falseflagging with mutt's lawGentlemen...
>>56090904Why aren't you showing your in-game timer?
>>56090881lol he's something else alright
How was dinner yawnie?
I’m retarded but is Yawnfag just not lashing out and using his usual terms ITT to try and throw people off the scent? Every other thread he usually tells “sagefag!” But how did everyone pick out his bait thread immediately?
>>56091012He started spamming "sagefag" as soon as people called him out for grinding for hours.
>>56091012There is no Yawnfag, sagefag can’t handle any criticism of gen5 and is sperging out against a random anon for highlighting the flaws of their perfect game
Made it through Victory Road, took me forever because I didn't want to miss anything. Going to take a break before fighting the E4
>>56091146Damn, you're just gonna leave Emboar to rot like that?
>>56091146You should use your rare candies to evolve Zweilous
>>56091146>lv 76You might as well just grind to lv 100 you already overleved almost 30 levels on that mon
>>56090242Mad cause true. KYS autismo
you missed A LOT of medals, are you even looking for hidden grottos?
Had this thread on watch because I thought it was a honest playthrough at the start, nevermind. Yeah I'm sure you had fun grinding to LV.76 before postgame I guess, really showed us.
sagefag could very easily prove OP is grinding by doing his own playthrough with the same Pokemon at the same points in the game and showing the level disparity between his playthrough and OP’s. But he won’t do it because it will reveal how poorly balanced his favorite game is.
>>56092135why wont OP show her ingame time?
>>56092142why won’t sagefag prove OP is grinding?
>>56092149we need to see her time
>>56092150we need to see your playthrough with the level difference
>>56092155So no time?
>>56092229So no playthrough?
These are my levels after beating Elesa on normal mode, I have also fought every single available trainer including Routes after the town.Mandibuzz starts at Lv.25 btw, which means I'm only training 4 mons. And I am using EXP share for Gothita.OP is absolutely grinding like a fag.
>>56092237Accept your concession yawnie
>>56092255>normal mode where the levels are all reduced>training 5 pokemon when OP was only training like 2 at that point in the game>still high lv20sif anything all you’re doing is proving OP didn’t grind.
>>560922614 Pokemon, Mandibuzz was caught at LV.25.Also no, the fag got a Lv.37 Emboar and would absolutely destroy the gym compared to me having to cope with Growth Servine to ever hope to deal decent damage to that Zebstrika, at +3 even.
>>56092265Well yes, that’s what happens when you waste exp on 3 other Pokemon for basically no benefit.This gif already proves you can get even more overleveled than OP did with zero grinding, but OP ended up 3 levels lower because he spent some exp on Whirlipede and Gothita.
>>56091333>no actual response, just resorts to insults I accept your concession
>>56092314Where’s the insult? You yourself admitted to being an autist innit
>>56092255Are you only using 4 for the whole game or just for now?
>>56092329Gothita was caught recently, it was mostly 3.I plan to make a team of 6 and boxing the starter, while avoiding to catch stuff I won't use as far as possible unless I really need some backup. In this case Growlithe is also going to get boxed eventually, while Mandibuzz is there temporarily for Fly but I thought it would have been dishonest to not show it since I made it fight at least once or twice. Almost wanted Sandile too because Elesa is pretty annoying when my strongest mon is weak to Elec, but I managed with Servine.In future it won't be a very fair comparison anymore in terms of EXP, but for now I think the playthrough is regular enough.
>>56092339I want to trial gothitelle myself Sounds like a Kino play thru
>>56092350It's a basic re-run to use some mons I skipped on before, BW2 has some fun encounter tables. Not a challenge run or anything since I'm still relying on useful mons like Servine and Growlithe despite me wanting to box them once I fill the entire team. Like them both but they were present on my first playthrough, and Arcanine especially is a mon I got in the hall of fame in multiple games.
>>56092276any pokemon game becomes trivial if you do a solo run, we all know that. Only in the first 5 gens, if you train a team of six, you can fight all optional trainers and not be overleveled.
>>56092426Don't reply to Yawnfag. And that includes OP since it's also him.
yawnfag got filtered by the e4 despite being 20 levels overleveled lol. i guess bw2 is hard after all!
>>56092546>>56092431T. Sagefag Just give it up. There is no Yawnfag boogeyman
What the fuck even is Yawnfag as endgame? He just wants people to appreciate SwSh?Such a weird autistic mission because there’s no pay offLet’s say he convinces people BW2 are bad.. who fucking cares!?
>>56092547>accusing others of what you are doingTaking hints from propaganda tactics now? At least play it safe and don't reply to multiple posts at once.
>Sagefag>didn't sagehi yawnfag
is sagefag the guy that sages his own bald clown croc threads and gets super pissed if you bump them?
>>56092587Not even a real person, it's whoever calls out yawnfag
>>56092149Other anons already posted their party post league. OP is almost 20 levels above that.
>>56092155Here buddy:>>56090808>>56090780>>56090738
>>56092426>any pokemon game becomes trivial if you do a solo runExcept OP didn’t do a solo run.>>56092639>>56092641>one guy didn’t use challenge mode>another guy didn’t use lucky egg>both trained 6 pokemon evenly while OP practically has 2 party slots worth of exp he dumped into his other 4 pokemon instead>OP also has Zweilous, which is extreme late game, meaning OP spent the majority of the game dumping exp into only 3 PokemonAgain, all you’re doing is proving OP didn’t grind.Do a fresh playthrough, with the SAME conditions OP used, sagefag. You can easily prove he’s grinding but you’re too scared to do it because it will permanently reveal BW2 is a poorly designed easy as piss game. I know OP didn’t grind because I already did a challenge mode playthrough and ended up even more overleveled than OP did. https://arch.b4k.co/vp/thread/47583232
>>56093003I'm the dude who went through challenge mode W2. I did use the lucky egg and I did grind a bit, my pokémon weren't equally leveled and I know OP grind A LOT my Eevee was just lv 44, misdreavus was lv 42 and those two were traded mons.>you’re too scared to do it because it will permanently reveal BW2 is a poorly designed easy as piss game.All pokémon games are piss easy, but OP grinded for hours. lv 70 before the league is ridiculous.>Again, all you’re doing is proving OP didn’t grind.Stop samefagging yawntard, we know it's you. Post your in-game timer retard (you) won't.
>>56092327No? You need to spend more time on your reading comprehension. If anything, you are the autistic one for the seething rage you fly into whenever anyone slightly criticises Gen 5. You are the reason that Unovaborts have a bad reputation.
>>56090155>This kind of shit is preposterous as well. Tajiri would never have let this fly in Gens 1 and 2.Yeah, there totally weren't roadblocks in gen 1 and 2. Fucking retard.
>>56090738>2012soul
>>56093019> went through challenge mode W2How long did you have challenge mode off?>I did use the lucky eggAll the time? Or did you arbitrarily stop using it because you had pity for the game?> and I know OP grind A LOT my Eevee was just lv 44, misdreavus was lv 42 and those two were traded mons.And what did you waste exp on before you traded them?>lv 70 before the league is ridiculous.I had a lv67 Eelektross by the 8th gym, so evidently not. I eagerly await for you to start your playthrough to prove OP grinded, sagefag.
>>56093025Roadblocks in Gens 1 and 2 >relevant to the story >often HM related, which actually makes sense in terms of both progression and narrative >the only ones that are a little transparent are the ones before the 1st badge, outside of this the rest all make perfect narrative/video game sense Roadblocks in Gen 5 >almost always based on whether or not you have the previous Gym badge >if you don't have the Gym badge, it's always some inane bullshit like "I'm cleaning this tube right now, come back later" or "today we're standing here for no reason, someday we will leave for no reason!"
>>56093050hi yawnfag
>>56093033Thanks it's my original B2 playthrough I think I had 17 or 18 and preparing for uni exams around that time.
>>56093050>How long did you have challenge mode off?Can you even turn it off after you start your run?>All the time? Or did you arbitrarily stop using it because you had pity for the game?All the time after getting it, yes. Pity for the game? How does that work? > And what did you waste exp on before you traded them?Nothing I got them from the start I traded them from my black copy so I could start my run >I had a lv67 Eelektross by the 8th gym, so evidently not. I eagerly await for you to start your playthrough to prove OP grinded, sagefag.There's a big difference between lv 67 and lv 76 anon, moreso with gen V's exp system. >I eagerly await for you to start your playthrough to prove OP grinded, sagefag.Who is this "sagefag"? Just to be clear, what are the "conditions" for the run? Sure I'll play through B2 challenge mode again after I finish my pearl run.
>>56093003>Except OP didn’t do a solo run.I didn't say that. OP said that training 3 extra mons is a waste of time, which means that anything that isn't a solo run is a waste of time.
>>56093102> All the time after getting it, So you didn’t actually have it on the entire playthrough.> Nothing I got them from the start So you spent basically the entire game splitting exp between 6 Pokemon while OP used 3 Pokemon the majority of his run and you’re wondering how he got to lv70+?I’m still waiting for you to start that playthrough, sagefag.
>>56093003>>56093050Shit man, nobody has recordings of anyone's playthroughs, but thats 3 anons personal experiences with the game against your own. Now we can sit here and yap about whether OP did or didn't grind, but you have no evidence contrary to what I and 2 other people posted, which is the game played through on official Nintendo hardware while OP is using an Emulator. I don't know what to tell you other than to think what's more believable, OP lying about not grinding in Challenge Mode or 3 people who played BW2 in a span of about 13 years somehow collaborating to falseflag this specific thread.
>>56093139>So you didn’t actually have it on the entire playthrough.How do you even use it before obtaining it anon. Did you hack a lucky egg in? >So you spent basically the entire game splitting exp between 6 Pokemon while OP used 3 Pokemon the majority of his run and you’re wondering how he got to lv70+?Funny how even with the exp boost from being traded my party had way lower levels than OP. >while OP used 3 Pokemon the majority of his run and you’re wondering how he got to lv70+?Yes, when my top lv was in 60s and all of OPs party is in 60s and one is lv 76.> I’m still waiting for you to start that playthrough, sagefagWho is this mythical sagefag, is he your boyfriend? Also, you didn't list out your autistic "conditions". Please do, I don't want to do a run just for you to be a little bitch and say "you didn't comply with this random bullshit rule I just came up with".
Holy schizo thread
>>56093164The sad thing is that even when playing on speedup emulator yawntard needed to grind for hours
>>56093179He's actually referring to you as the schizo, borty.
>>56093179The sadder thing is the same anons seething over this guys threads yet again. You're too much of a retard to ignore someone not liking a video game.
>>56093184>bortyFirstly, it's unovabortion, only ADHD zoomtards use "bort", also, gen V isn't even my favourite gen but you're clearly lying anon. I already admitted that like all other pokémon games they are piss easy, Idk why you think I'm "defending" anything. I'm just calling you out for being a faggot.Also, please list your "conditions" for the run so I can start with it.
>>56093200>Idk why you think I'm "defending" anythingProbably the 60 posts you made here.
>>56093189>The sadder thing is the same anons seething over this guys threads yet again.The only one seething is yawnie because he got called out. He even invented some mythical enemy in his head.>You're too much of a retard to ignore someone not liking a video game.What are you talking about? People are just calling OP for being a faggot
>>56093205>Probably the 60 posts you made here.How is calling (You) out with receipts no less, defending anything? Again, list your "rules" for the run anon.
>>56093231I bet not even brown kids need to grind for a more than a decade old children's game thoughever. What does that say about you?
>>56093246Why would some guy grinding in a pokemon game say anything about me?
>>56092941Unovabros get in here
>>56093151> but thats 3 anons personal experiences with the game All three of which wasted exp training 6 Pokemon evenly, didn’t use lucky egg, and/or didn’t use challenge mode. Meanwhile I’ve done two separate playthroughs where I got overleveled (one with Krookodile/Eelektross, and the other with Lucario) and OP himself also got overleveled. Your ad populum argument doesn’t work, sagefag. Now hurry up and start that playthrough to prove OP grinded.
>>56093282>wasted expOh no, not the wasted infinite amounts of exp. Autists lmao
>>56093282>Now hurry up and start that playthrough to prove OP grinded.List the terms for the run:>challenge mode>use lucky egg as soon as you can get itwhat other rules? OP clearly has a full party in the 60s and one excadrill lv 76 before the league
>>56093301>what other rules?use the same Pokemon OP used at the same points in the game.
>>56093307ok, anything else?
>>56093301>>56093307 this and also fight every trainer in the game
>>56093301>>56093307>>56093321>>56093322Why are you all pretending you're going to do this?
>>56093336I don't mind playing through BW2 again, it's been more than a decade since I last played them. I've gone through LG and I'm currently playing through pearl.
>>56093322>challenge mode>use same team as OP (boring but ok)>fight every trainer>start using lucky egg as soon as possible
>>56093282So what you're saying is that overleveling and trivializing the games only happens when you deliberately do so, correct? I'm not trying to say you can't do it, you obviously can, but overleveling in a pokemon game especially to your extent doesn't happen by accident, atleast the ones I've played. You make your own difficulty in a singleplayer pokemon campaign, thats why when you *want* to take the easy way then its easy. You don't stumble into fucking level 70 before the league just off of trainers and a lucky egg. Especially not when the rest of your team is hovering at the level 58-60s range >>56091146. I'd believe you didnt grind if all your other pokemon were like level 20 or something, but theres absolutely no way that you got enough exp for 3 other pokemon to be pushing 60 and an Excadrill at 76 off of NPC trainers alone and swapping the lucky egg like a hot potato.Just stop the bullshitting, ok? I don't get why you'd keep lying about not grinding. Not when I've played the game myself 2 days ago and played it myself.
>Yawnfag has replayed BW2 at least 3 times in the past few years alone
>>56093420>Y-YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO HANDICAP YOURSELF!! Y-YOU GRINDED!!it’s interesting how arguments like this conveniently stop existing when you play gen 6+ and instead you just cry about how easy the game is
>>56093640You didn't use the EXP Pass Powers, you gimped yourself in this play-through.
>>56093640But you can not only gimp yourself way less in the later games, it's harder if not impossible to gimp yourself in them. Catching 6 Pokemon and not using EXP related held items is fairly easy, using tons of friendship lowering items to rotating your entire team in BDSP is a fucking pain in the ass. At least in Gen 6 the only thing it has making it easier than Gen 1-4 is the catching EXP and the overall easy design of the trainers (the fucking final boss' ace Pokemon has an ability that does nothing).
>>56093640>>Y-YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO-Never said that. My problem was with the dishonesty. You can play however you like, but whats with the>I didn't grind bs? Why lie about that?
>>56086018>>56089289>>56090062>Those nicknames>Female avatarYawnTROON
>>56093667>But you can not only gimp yourself way less in the later gamesYes I can. I’m 100% certain if I play USUM and autistically train more Pokemon than I actually need like your retarded BW2 fanfic rules the game will still be drastically harder than BW2. If you actually believed in your own shitposts you wouldn’t be whining about the games being easier.
>>56093685You still haven’t proved he’s grinding, sagefag. Waiting for you to start that playthrough.
>>56093689Let me put it this way, I trained 8 Pokemon in USUM and the only hard fight was Ultra Necrozma because I happened to bring neither of the Dark types I was training. Still harder than B2W2 by that metric though. B2W2 was still harder than every other post-DS title, which isn't saying much because they're all designed way worse.
>>56093703>B2W2 was still harder than every other post-DS titleNope. You just grinded.
>>56093697And you haven't proved you didn't grind. It's 3 playthroughs on native hardware against an emulation that used PkHex.
>>56093757I mean, if you want me to I can do a run similar to OP's for Y, but only use one Pokemon AND create a living Pokedex if you want proof of how easy it is without fighting wild Pokemon for more EXP (grinding).
>>56093768>muh ad populum false equivalency playthroughs Still waiting for you to start, sagefag.>>56093776Maybe you should start by proving OP grindes first, sagefag.
>>56093783You know what, you're right. Emulating DS is way easier than going through the rigamarole of taking screenshots on my 3DS. I'll work on it if that other guy who says he was going to do it falls through. Otherwise, yeah I'll do the Y play-through I suggested eventually.
