Smogon tier changes for July
>>56106363Wasn't Serperior hyped up lately? I only have a passing knowledge of compfagging.
>fanfic garbage
>>56106363>Moltres in OU>Rhyperior in UUwhy?
Moltresbros we so won
>>56106390>sub 1200 ELO shitter and sub great ball rank compains about competitiveWhy are Zoom Zooms like this?
>>56106363seeing Deo-D this low is unbelievably weird, no way this isn't current gen blindness in some wayanyway, it's gen9, so it's by definition irrelevant
>Deoxys-Defense in NU>Breloom in NU>Raikou in PUI'm pretty sure I shouldn't be surprised but I am anyways
Something doesn't feel right seeing legendaries and mythicals in PU besides garbage like Phione
>>56106414>Breloom in NUBecause Sleep moves are now banned
This is the garbage of the garbage, the trash of the trash, the unusable Sub Zero Use.>The unofficial metagame of Subzero Used (SU), a tier below ZU, here are our shifts for this month using the same criteria as last month:>Drops from ZU --> SU>Abomasnow, Arboliva, Articuno, Basculin, Braviary, Carbink, Clawitzer, Combusken, Cramorant, Cryogonal, Dipplin, Dodrio, Eelektross, Exeggutor-Alola, Farigiraf, Floatzel, Gurdurr, Hitmonchan, Honchkrow, Houndoom, Komala, Lanturn, Lurantis, Magmortar, Magneton, Malamar, Medicham, Morpeko, Muk, Orthworm, Palossand, Passimian, Perrserker, Persian-Alola, Piloswine, Poliwrath, Porygon2, Quaxwell, Raichu-Alola, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rotom, Sableye, Samurott, Shaymin, Smeargle, Sneasel, Sneasel-Hisui, Spiritomb, Toedscruel, Toxicroak, Venomoth, Vikavolt, Weezing, Whiscash>SUBL is also being freed, including the following:>Bellossom, Crabominable, Lilligant, Oricorio-Pa'u, Pyroar, Raichu, Rotom-Frost, Tauros, Tauros-Paldea-Combat, Ursaring, Veluza, Wyrdeer, Zangoose
>>56106768>RhydonHonestly, who's surprised by this?
>Raikou in PUNot even scald can fill the hole that hidden power ice left on most mono electric types
>>56106754>Remove sleep from the funny spore man>He immediately goes to the shitterHaha.... it's just like if Breloom always sucked and was carried because Smogon allowed him to abuse a broken move....
>>56106797CB Breloom was good in gen 5
>>56106797>>Break Michael Phelps arms and legs >>He immediately sinkswhoaa....
What does solid suggester do in UU?
>>56106401Flame Body to counter Zamazenta, Kingambit, and Great Tusk.
>>56106805Stealth Rock + Dragon Tail or Swords Dance for wallbreaking by the look of his Smogon pages for SV, pretty boring. I don't see any Rock Polish Weakness Policy shenanigans there.
The pool of pokemon is so large that you could probably take a team of RU and NU pokes and make it work in UU.
>>56106877>Stealth Rock + Dragon TailWhy is this effective again? Every fucking pokemon in UU is a boots pivot
>>56106412Deo-D is shit man its just a worse version of something else for every set it can run
>>56106902You're supposed to do that with Knock Off support. Also, it's UU so somebody has to tank Lokix I suppose.
Sneed
>>56106363>Make up a bunch of retarded rules>Separate Pokemon into tiers based on said rules>Adjust said tiers and focus them only on some 4 popular pokemon>"It helps to create decentralized environment, guys!">Majority of the playerbase uses the same copy-pasted teamsWow, yeah, that's clearly a fair, rational and DECENTRALIZED environment.
>>56106412Deoxys defence was comically shit even in the gen it came out in, let alone now with the obscene power creep. It just doesn’t do anything except set spikes and get set up on, it’s not even good in fucking random battles.
>>56106812so it’s only OU because volcarona got banned?
>>56106373Serperior gained a broken ability to abuse (Contrary) but it has worse coverage options than its competitor En*morus which can run a mixed set. Serperior is mostly forced into abusing Glare and Substitute alongside Leaf Storm (boosts SpAtk by +2 each time due to Contrary reversing stat changes) and either Tera Blast or Dragon Pulse. It does, however, have slightly better defensive stats.
>>56107854Enamorus did nothing wrong.
>>56106363>moltres cucked out of walling UUthis is bullshit
>>56106363Ribombee has finally fallen
>>56106988I mean, it is significantly more ""decentralized"" than any official slop format, but I guess that isn't saying much. Randbats is the only truly ""decentralized"" format.
>>56106996holy kek
>>56106363Do you think he will ever fall to UU?
>>56109153As long as Chien Pao stays banned, most likely not
>>56109153>>he nicemy thought exactly when it's a boy during a random encounter
>Iron Treads still OUWhy is OU like this?
>>56106996Not him, but I experienced Deo-D getting banned twice and Deo-S even getting banned three times. It's crazy to even imagine a meta where either form is legal.
>>56109153He's just not needed in OU. Not even banning Darkrai would save him.
What happened for my nigga Moltres to rise like this?
>>56109588Volcarona being banned meant OU no longer had a bulky Flame Body mon to keep the physical attackers in check, and other Flame Body-havers currently in OU much prefer using Flash Fire instead.
>>56109588Moltres barges into an OU tier of a random generation every couple of years. I've come to accept that Moltres is always viable.
>elo shitters finally stopped forcing galarian weezing in UUNice, that's the equivalent of mega banette dropping
>>56109618It kinda is viable though,bold Moltres actually walls a lot of shit like Rilaboon or non head smash tusk,stops u turn spam and forces valiant to run shit tbolt and gambit and golden reddit to tera to deal with it
>>56109339ever since gen 8 gave mew spikes, deo-d is for all intents and purposes mew but bad. it's slower, weaker, and only marginally bulkier thanks to its awful lopsided stat distribution, to say nothing of the ridiculous movepool difference.deo-d will never be relevant again.
>>56106768>there needs to be a tier below fucking ZU Competitive Pokémon was a mistake
>>56110007We're going to reach a point where Gen 1 levels of meta layer absurdity become mandatory for current gen at the rate this clown world shit is going.
>>56109645Can't Gholdengo 2HKO physically defensive Moltres with some prior damage? I wouldn't want to take repeated, unresisted shadow balls all day.The make it rain and WoW switch-ins should be exceptional, but shadow ball would probably be spammed more after the team preview revealed boots Moltres.
>>56106363Raikousisters, our response?
>>56110007*raising the tier cut-off to 4,52% was a mistake
>>56106363What's Iron Crown doing up there? What set is being used? I tried it when it first came out but it felt lacking. Is it the Natdex wannabe AV set?
Gen 9 was a mistake.
>>56111495For me, was 3.4% updated every three months.
GF has an extra year to think about making sweeping rebalancing changes, because this shit is just untenable>but Smogon is..Veggie Sea is even fucking worse, my point still stands, in fact my point has even more validation.
>>56111670Fixing VGC is simple. Just dexcut the genies and Urshifu, and if that format is too much, add a banlist.
>>56106390Hey Verlisify
>>56109153that’s a woman (male)
>>56111808Xhe’s a shitmon
>>56111670The problem with VGC is that GameFreak keeps making Pokemon that bypass/mitigate>Protect>Intimidate>Fake Out>BurnsFlutter Mane is Ghost and a Special Attacker and also has STAB Dazzling Gleam to lessen the effect of Protect, and turns out it’s incredibly overpowered. Urshifu bypasses protect and intimidate and look how broken it is.Gen 9 needs to nerf the shit out of Unseen Fist + Wicked Blow/Rapid Strikes as well as make Special versions of Intimidate and Burn too.
>>56111968Flutter Mane hasn't been a top mon since Regulation G started and has consistently struggled to reach Top 8s.
>>56112019>Flutter Mane hasn't been a top mon since Regulation GIt's one of the most used mons in the format.
>>56112030When laddering sure, but it's tournament results (aka what actually matters) show a marked usage decrease from previous seasons and, once again, it consistently struggles to make appearances in top cut. It's not suddenly bad, but it hasn't been "broken" in months
>>56112019It’s like Number 7 in Usage in the format where Calyrex-S exists.
>>56106363Is Prankster banned? How else is Whimsicott so low?
>>56106988>Make up a bunch of retarded rulesSubjective, bans can be retarded but clauses are a necessary evil to prevent people abusing funbro and Sand Veil Fissures to climb.>Separate Pokemon into tiers based on said rulesNever mind, you're retarded.
>>56106797Retard
>>56106797Hi, Grim Darkwood. How's Thanatos doing?
>>56107888Being a Fairy type is enough wrong. Death to all Fairy types and those who use them.
>>56107807Ayup.
>>56106996Deoxys-D is only even acceptable now because Recover got nerfed to 8pp and Toxic was stolen from it. All the Deoxys forms took some hits in the move pool department.
>>56112451Dark types block Prankster and every team has at least one Dark type cause they're both good and offer a key resistance to Ghost
>>56110007Even if you lowered the usage rate cutoff to 3.5% like it was before Gen 8, you'd still need a tier below SZU to be on par with the power level of Gen 7 NU. That's how bad things have gotten.
>>56109645>tfw the SHITgambit using faggot wants to 50/50 me to death with his bullshit Sucker Punch mind games and I just switch in Moltres and watch him RQ after he gets burned by Flame Body
>>56112045Mega Flutter Mane is legal, that's why. Calyrex-S outclasses Flutter Mane in practically every regard, but it takes up a Restricted slot so they both cannibalize eachothers usage rates. That doesn't mean they aren't broken.
>>56112451Tailwind is dogshit in singles. You get one turn of doubled speed, so Prankster + Tailwind isn't great. Its stats are also mediocre for something so passive, and it doesn't have reliable healing. The most it can do is serve as a wincon with a Leftovers SubSeed set.
>>56106363I don't play gen 9 what changed to suddenly make regular moltres useable?
>>56112495>>56112706>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THE TRUTH ABOUT MY FUNGERINO THE WHOLESOME EARLY GRASS-TYPE WE NEED TO PRETEND ITS WORTH SHIT BECAUSE SMOGON AVOIDED TOUCHING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM FOR 20 YEARSHoennbabies, really?
>>56112949Moltres is the best user of Flame Body. Physical sweepers are out of control, and Smogon doesn't want to go on a banning spree or ban Tera, so the only viable answer is to run bulky Moltres.It helps that HDB exist to make Moltres incredibly hard to kill unless you knock off its boots, but that runs the risk of getting burned.
>>56106363We did it Iron Crown KINGS.what does he do?
>>56106797>60/80/60 bulk on a type with 6 weaknesses (way more fragile than Rampardos)>70 Speed (only 12 more speed than Rampardos)Frankly no one should be surprised by this. At least Virizion has a good speed tier and bulk. All Breloom had was Spore and Technician (which only works with incredibly low BP moves). It’s a shitmon without Spore.
>>56113019>SamuGOD used Razor Shell!
GODganacl mogs.
>>56113226Uh oh
>>56113237*switches in for free, sets up Iron Defense, and spams Body Press until victory*gggggggggggggez
