How would you buff your favorite shitmon?For me it's Bulk Up + Strength Sap
bulk up+strength sap
Bulk Up + Strength Sap
Power Gem
Huge Power
>>56116541This would be low-usage in OU considering today's powercreep. UUBL if realistically optimistic.
>>56116291pain split is good
>>56116291give it tentacles, alternatively, give trevenant Jungle Healing
>>56116291I'm honestly not sure what it'd take to save him. I'm not sure any one buff would be enough. That said, my go-to addition would be Geomancy. Or like 40 extra base attack.
>>56116601Nasty Plot & Earth Power would be nice
Unironically Dragon Dance
>>56116291d dance
>>56116648This thing is already good.
>slow, defensive wall>solid stat distribution with 70/102/102 bulk and 80 in both attack stats, or was when sinnoh was new at least>access to reliable healing>bug/flyingHonestly at a loss, I love its design and use it in playthroughs often when available but that typing is unsalvagable for anything, let alone what is suppose to be a wall. Boots and access to toxic are nice and all but I wish they could have just let it be bug or give it some OP ability.Retyping reboot when?
>>56116670Should have been Bug/PsychicGive it a Mega, you can fix the typing, stat spread and ability at one fell swoop
Trick room on entry. Only lasts two turns in doubles.
>>56116665Anon, he's PU
>>56116641I've often thought he's got as much claim to Tail Glow as Manaphy. His back orbs surely resemble "firefly lights" as much as Manaphy's head dangles.>>56116692Based Keckleon enjoyer.
Grass/Fire mega with drought.It's Sunny Day: the pokemon. It should have both of these.
>>56116729This but Sunflora
>>56116601>CoverageHyper Voice(for Unburden Throat Spray strats), Earth Power, Air Slash, Volt Switch, and Electro Ball>Set upBelly Drum and Nasty Plot
>>56116687You see, that easily could fix just about every issue but that's implying GF giving another non shillmon or kantomon a mega. I feel like realisticallt L:A was the best bet it had to get anything and it didn't, it's more frustrating since they have clearly shown they're willing to go back and alter pokemon but only in the most minute and pointless ways.
>>56116540>Not bulk up + strength sap
>>56116721Well, I wouldn't comment on how he smells, but I'm pretty sure I've seen him a few times at Master Ball tier. Though maybe that was his SINNOOOOOOOOOOH counterpart.
>>56116595>No undiesWhat a whore
She should have a poison type giga drain, she's literally a pile of digestive juices
>>56116791I forgot her picture
>>56116721For a non shillmon kantomon it had a pretty good run, look at shit like parasect or seaking for something truly sad.
>>56116765Small indie company. Please understand.
>>56116741It's actually crazy they gave the Mega Lightningrod but zero Electric coverage. Not even Shock Wave. Just the same Thunder Punch he's had since Emerald.Clanging Scales would be a nice way to activate Throat Spray and give it some more competent Dragon coverage, though the flavor is a bit off.>>56116758Never say never, Sinnoh is far and away the second most shilled generation, and we're about to do another Mega-themed game. Maybe there'll be a bee themed quest where you have to collect honey for some patisserie and Vesipquen will be the perfect boss.
>>56116291I don't think anything can save Metagross by this point, like, I could update its movepool and swap its ability for something that helps it kill stuff or live longer but that won't suddenly make all the powercreep go away. Something like Levitate/Gear Shift/EQ would be funny at least, or No Guard and stuff like Stone Edge.
>>56116894Metagross was actually a decent pokemon in VGC Regulation F after finally receiving good STABs for the first time since gen 5. If you want to bring the classic "Agiligross" set to modern standards, the answer is to give him shift gear. Clear body is a wonderful ability to have on setup sweepers. But let's be real here, for as long as mega metagross exists, he can't have that move. Even without shift gear, mega metagross will be once again borderline uber tier next gen with its aurora veil crushing psychic fangs and an even more consistent heavy slam - both being further boosted by tough claws.
let it have shadow tagalternatively, contrary for overheat shenanigans if the smogshitters start losing it
>>56117321Chandelure is good though. Not being competitively viable/used is different from being bad. Chandelure hits hard, has a good ability, okay speed tier and not completely made of paper. If I were to buff it, I would just give it Levitate
>>56117335fuck i'm blind, thought the OP said pokemon not shitmonin that case give this fucker sniper & focus energy for crabhammer crit build. give it some more special defense as well. either that or replace crabhammer's high crit rate with a 30% defense drop or something, so it can get the sheer force boost
>>56117383honestly, that set wouldn't even be good. focus energy + sniper results in a crabhammer with effectively 225BP, while a +2 sheer force liquidation is effectively 221BP already, on top of perfect accuracy and higher power before setup.what kingler really needs is more shit that actually works with sheer force.
>>56116291I dunno about favorite, but it was on my mind lately.>BeedrillWithout a mega, this is a significantly worse Ariados. BDSP’s Beedrill is a travesty.
Masquerain is not my favorite because it ruins Surskit, which is my favorite. But I would also make it Water/Bug
>>56116291>base Special Attack is increased from 40 to 70 (Paldean form's SpA increased from 30 to 60)New Ability: Stampede>If a Pokemon with this ability scored a knock out with a move that would normally require them to recharge, the recharge turn is bypassedThis basically Gen 1 Tauros which, considering modern Pokemon's powercreep, wouldn't even be that good, but it's something.
>>56116291>>56116307>>56116509>How would you buff your favorite shitmon?>that's easy, just give her Bulk Up!Bulk Up solves everything
>>56117905worse than sheer force, especially with the spatk buff
>>56117905buddy, you could just flat-out give tauros "doesn't need to recharge ever" and it would still be a total shitmon.
>>56117905>If a Pokemon with this ability scored a knock out with a move that would normally require them to recharge, the recharge turn is bypassedThis really should just be how recharge moves always work. They're completely unusable as they currently are and I'm not convinced they would be unbalanced at all if the punishment for not oneshotting is a completely free turn for the opponent. The Gen 1 mechanic for this feels so nice and intuitive.
>>56116509>shitmon>UU in gen 9
>>56116291I really don't know how I would want to update it to be honest, I just want to have fun with my Dewgong again. A stat buff to to put it more in line with modern pokemon power creep would be nice
>>56116670Give quiver dance
>>56116670Vespiquen is kinda defined by her three Order moves, Attack Order, Defend Order and Heal Order. Make these three work with Stockpile mechanics.Then subsequentially change Stockpile mechanics to only decrement Stockpile count by 1 upon usage of the purge moves, at cost of reducing Spit Up/Attack Order's base power to 75 damage per stack. Gives both Vespiquen and Stockpile mons an interesting gameplan with room for variety, for example you can opt to run a regular attack or recovery over purge moves to have immediate power or/and not use up the stacks. Vespiquen has both Roost and Bug Buzz/Air Slash to do that with.
>>56116670>defend order is now amnesia+iron defenseDoes that help?Really could give her defend order swords dance on top and she'd still just be ok.
Shore up sandaconda, please>>56116601Literally just needs belly drum, 85 base attack and that move pool isn’t so bad when it’s at +6 and outspeeding everything
Dusclops>>>>>>>>
Idunno, how about we give the axe head dragon GLAIVE rush. Baxcalibur doesn't nees two prfs.Bring back CB Haxorus
>>56118209Bulk Up and Strength Sap
It's unsalvageable with a x4 weakness to Bug and terrible stats. Pick and choose any combination of these changes to make it better.>Change to Dark/Poison (some cuttlefish are poisonous)>Topsy-Turvy gets +1 priority>Prankster for Topsy-Turvy/Destiny Bond/Taunt/Trick/Screens>Access to Parting Shot>Access to Power Trip as a stab to make use of Close Combat boosts>Access to Psycho Boost for a real psychic stab>Access to Close Combat for a defensive alternative to SuperpowerIt's never getting Overheat/Leaf Storm/Draco Meteor, so that's not even worth considering. And Hyperspace Fury is locked onto Hoopa-U.
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>>56119254>>56119259I have repeatedly failed to post this picture of malamar. rip me I guess
>>56119254Someone else besides Deoxys got Psycho Boost?
>>56119275No, but it's not locked to the original mon like Dark Void or Hyperspace Fury
>>56116291Change to Ground/Steel Type. Give it King's Shield, Spikes, and the Solid Rock ability.
>>56116291Snow Warning + Fake Out + Lovely Kiss. Now it’s literally the fastest veil user and can support in doubles.
>>56119574forgot pic, anyway all three buffs fit thematically
>>56119275Lugia
>>56119575Give it sleep powder but it freezes the target. Watch chaos ensue on Smogon forums.
90HP, 90 Def, 110 Sp.Atk, 90 Sp.Def, 100 Spd.
>every single Nido is shoehorned into the Timid Sheer Force Life Orb with Earth Power, Sludge Bomb and Boltbeam setI would buff Rivalry. Remove the penalty for facing the opposite gender, buff damage to 50% and add in a 50% reduction to incoming attacks too.Every single Rivalry Pokemon bar Haxorus is shit too so this wouldn't even break the game.
>>56119742>Beedrill got a mega, which are now coming back>Butterfree got a gigantamax form, which will literally never come back beside the future gen 8 remakesTragic.
>>56116291>GranbullFairy/Fighting Evolution>MasquerainEvolution>DelcattyEvolution OR stats buff (40+)>ChimechoEvolution >EelektrossStats buff (20+)New Abilities: Levitate/Swift Swim/(HA)Tough ClawsNew Moves: Leech Life, Strength Sap, Surf
>>56119952>>Granbull>Fairy/Fighting EvolutionBeen saying that for years
>>56116796Muk carving out a niche in gen 9 OU is the coolest thing to happen in years for gen 1 sihtmons
>>56119988what does it do
>>56119992Sticky Hold Knock off blockerIts set is Knock off, Poison Jab, Rest, and Sleep Talkits surprisingly usable but doesn't shake up the world
>>56116791>>56116796Should get Moonlight for lore, also having a recovery move that alolan muk wouldnt get
I think reintroducing Berserk Gene would be a cool development for lots of Own Tempo Pokemon (since BG boosts attack but adds confusion and OT makes mons resistant to confusion)Most OT pokemon are slow and bulky or special attackers so its not like it would make a lot of pokemon immediately overpowered but for the ones that it would work on it would add an interesting alternative way to use them
>>56120010Based Muk, there should be an item that lets you run both of your abilities
>>56120010>>56120072forgot to mention their item is also heavy duty bootsso you're more safe to switch in for knock off abusers
>>56120010why would you not just run no-item alola muk or something
>>56119574Alternatively, technician and shadow sneak. Now her triple axel and ice shard outdamage Weavile’s.
>>56120227>>56120209
>>56120381sticky hold doesn't prevent the knock off damage boost and muk is neutral while a-muk resists.252 Atk Meowscarada Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Muk: 123-145 (29.7 - 35%) -- 17.3% chance to 3HKO252 Atk Meowscarada Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Muk-Alola: 41-48 (9.9 - 11.5%) -- possible 9HKOyou're taking 3x the damage from knock off that a-muk would and you lose STAB on your own knock off, do boots really make up for that?
>>56119952>>Masquerain>EvolutionIt's already OP
>>56120393>do boots really make up for that?i would say so when traps are so prevalent
>>56120427i feel like having a specially bulky dark type would help with the whole gholdengo issue. call it a hunch.
>>56120495go try it out yourselfmind you it is a niche pick for defensive teams
>>56120504no way, i can't stand playing stall and i doubt muk is usable for BO or balance.
>>56120517whatever dude
>>56119952Do the rest
>>56116291Shell smash + Simple
Give it Giga Drain, higher defenses and a slight increase to the SpA so he can actually use his Analytic for once.Alternatively, an evolution so you can use Eviolite on it.
Give U-Turn and Flip TurnAt 50% hp or less, Emergency Exit now gives priority to switch moves
Iron fist + Plasma fists.+10 Spd.Basically what every fucking romhack already do.
>>56116721>fanfic metaOf course the dragon dance spammer doesn't play the game. Of fucking course.
>>56121117I think +dark type and a move that lays spikes would work
>>56121909nope still garbage
>>56121960>vgcgood joke, now talk about the real game
>>56118832>Vespiquen is kinda defined by her three Order moves>threeAnon...I...
>>56121117>SimpleNah, give it supreme overlord instead
>>56121162A Psychic-type Giga Drain offshoot would do wonders for him. The problem with a slow Analytic user, especially with middling bulk and shit typing, is that they get worn down or outright killed too fast.
>>56121892He's only relevant for a single regulation in Veggie Sea, then gets replaced by his Hisuian brother or Incelroar
>>56116573>Bulky>Great coverage and utility>Slack off>Fast enough>Can set up with Bulk UpI'm pretty sure that with Huge Power and without any investment, even Dondozo can't safely switch on it.Banned to uber
