ITT Pokémon that look like that should be a lot better than they actually are
>>56545291I knew him first from the anime and he was a major jobber there so I wasn't too surprised he wasn't good
>>56545293nah that one is right.looks like shit and thats reflected in battle.
>>56545398Imagine getting KO'd by fucking sprinklers
>>56545291that's kind of the point of Onix though. it's the first boss monster, so it had to be visually imposing but not too strong that you couldn't take it down with your starter. of course that doesn't really apply to subsequent games, but it made sense in the context of RBG.
>>56545433It still has 570 BST and is a better dragon dancer than the original. Blame Game Freak for giving electric shit physical stabs.
>>56545442And a bucket of water, the opposite was starmie where in the anime it was the biggest loser but in the games it's a ruthless killing machine
>Only gets 2 out of 6 Hammer moves>Has the stats for Huge Power or having a Thick Club Equivalent, gets nothing>looks like a wallbreaker, is actually a utilitymon but rather than a Sceptile situation where it still could pull offensive pressure it's absolutely forced to be utilityNo drama, it actually feels unfinished.
>>56545433i will never understand why it's electric/rock
>>56545478>but muh first boss!meanwhile the second boss busts out the best Water type in the game
>>56546322Misty's Starmie isn't exactly set up to use its strong points to the max.
>>56546325For the level it is at it does. Be thankful she sticks to X Defend
>>56546316When I read that Gen 9 was going to have a Fairy type with a hammer, I thought Huge Power was 100% guaranteed(as the ability is based on mochi mashing). What a massive disappointment.
>>56545487>is a better dragon dancer than the original.it's not, it has the same attack stat but with worse bulk and worse stab. physical electric is a death sentence
>>56546316>>56546355If this ugly shitmon got Huge Power, it would effectively have the attacking stats of Zacian-Crowned in addition to having the same STAB combination. It would literally just be Zacian-Crowned but mid, banned from OU but doing fuckall in Ubers. Anyone who thinks that Stinkatranny should have Huge Power is an idiot.
>>56545433> LETS TURN TYRANITAR INTO A FUCKING ROBOT AND SAY IT'S A NEW POKEMON !!!!paradox mons were a lazy mistake...
>>56546416I care more about it making sense and being fun to use than competitive niche. It should have all the hammer moves and huge power. Maybe reduce its attack or something. But how it plays in smogon meta or vgc should be a secondary consideration .
>>56546546This. If only unova didnt exist.
Onix 2.0 60 HP (+30)Attack 35 (-10)85 Speed (+15)Defense 140 (-20).Special Defense 35 (-10) Abilty: Speed TunnelerSpeed raises vt 1 stage whenever a ground move is used by the pokemon.
>>56546316>>56546416>>56546554I think giving it an exclusive item that increased Atk by 1.5x without drawback would be better. You reach 409 Atk with Adamant, which is only a bit more than base 150 Atk after Jolly.
>>56546576Unfortunately, it would probably still exist regardless. Both are based on MechaGodzilla, they're not going to miss the opportunity to reference this iconic kaiju in a series all about that shit. Hell, Gigantamax was probably an Ultraman reference, but given your brain problems you probably think it was a reference to that other Pokestar Studios film.
>>56546335and Onix is strong for the level you face it at too. 165 defense is nothing to scoff at when you only have NFE shitmons who's strongest move is probably tackle. also being the first boss, it has to make a visual impression, so naturally it looks more intimidating than it really is. plus you have way more tools available at the 2nd gym. your evolved starter, more counter-typed Pokemon available, more resources etc
>>56546608Gigantamax was just Turner inserting his inflation fetish in pokemon.
>>56545440Don't be afraid to come out of the closet anon.
>>56546316>>56546355>>56546416>>56546554>>56546600Elite Redux Tinkaton looks pretty cool. has an ability choice that's like a first turn Huge Power, Super Slamer 30% on all its hammer moves, and Long Reach buffed to give an extra 20% boost to Gigaton Hammer. Could make a crazy scarfer, but even with all of this everything is broken in that game lmao.
>>56545478>it's the first boss monsterthis, that's why one of the final bosses has two of them
>>56545433>let's turn tyranitar into a robot and call it a new pokemon!paradox mons were a mistake>>56546546somebody beat me to it
>>56546743Baffling Long Reach doesn’t work this way, would’ve been a fun ability to use….
>>56546743Elite Redux in general looks fun, and even stuff like the AI battle options makes it seem fun to mess with casually. It just looks like one of those "crank the game mechanics to absolute crackhead levels", like Godmode Achieved for TBOI or something. If I ever start posting here that's probably gonna be what I start with.either that or the first cringekino romhack with 5 downloads i find on freerom.ass or something for shits and giggles
>>56546860i thought i was in the /vp/ plays whatever thread. holy shit i need to fucking sleep
>>56545291Onix as strong as it should be.
>>56545478retarded cope that has been debunked a vigintillion times God why can't this website ever fucking evolve or improve
>>56546872I want to live in this parallel universe
Honestly it should be as strong as gyarados>based off a kaiju>massive movepool>expect it to be at least 9'0>4'07" >shitty stats>shitty typing
>>56545293I can't stop huffing the Tropium, bros...
Bump
>>56546872Onix/Steelix like Scyther/Scizor
>>56545291Onix >80/115/140/30/40/105 (510) >Sturdy/Rock Head/Solid Rock Steelix >1050/125/160/30/70/30 >Heatproof*/Rock Head/Solid Rock New Moves >Reconstruct (Normal) >The user consumes or absorbs materials around them to restore its health. Can absorb Stealth* entry hazards matching the user’s type for further healing. >Distribution: All Regis, Onix, Steelix, Aggron, Klinklang, Magnezone, Golem, Rhyperior, Gigalith, Vanilluxe, and some similar Pokémon *Stealth Hazards are Stealth Rock and a newly introduced Stealth Frost (Ice) and Stealth Shards (Steel) - these moves cannot be stacked with each other.
>>56547464*forgot to say also Heatproof would be buffed to block Burn since it doesn’t buff its other limited users too much and unlike most resistance/immunity abilities it doesn’t do too much.
>>56545291He is absolutely fine, beats lvl55 Snorlax in GSC Nintendo Cup and doesn't afraid of anything. Just use Screech bro. Nothing can be that bad if they beat the best pokemon in the game, right?
>>56545433That ground texture makes him look like he would come up to your ankle. He reminds me of those late 90s/early 2000s robot pets.
>>56547464>steelix has more hp than 4 blisseybased retard
>>56546775but i btfo you two fakers though since i'm the real mistakefag
>>56546622There's no reason why it couldn't have had higher attack. It could have used (65% accuracy) Rock Throw and Bide as its moves.
>>56546554Huge Power is reserved for rabbits.
>>56546764They could have at least given the poor dude a primeape. Gen I E4 was like that though, they were short on type diversity so they're closer to themes.>LorelaiSo close to mono ice, but Slowbro is there for some reason. It doesn't even have ice moves until gen 3. Vaporeon at least has Aurora Beam. 4 non-lengend ice types on the region so they were short, but still. >BrunoBruno has two Onix when he could have Primeape and Poliwrath, they could have actually given the guy a team of fighting types and didn't. Legitimately baffling decision.>Agatha"Only one line" syndrome so they had to branch into a kind of Halloween theme with a bat and a snake. You could lean into the mono-poison/fear thing with Beedrill or just the fear theme with whatever Hypno is. If Kogas guys get to use Hypno she can too, she's in a rough spot.>LanceStuck with a single line again, flying ace really. Charizard would have been a perfect fit here instead of a second Dragonair, but then it wouldn't be as special.On topic, this guy. This guy should rule.
>>56547663will the real mistakefag please stand up?
>>56548113Give it Earth Eater and it would probably be pretty decent.
>>56547187based imported cheese enjoyer
>>56545442quad weaknesses are a helluva drug
>>56546622>165 defense is nothing to scoff at when you only have NFE shitmons who's strongest move is probably tackleUnless you haven't leveled up your Bulbasaur at all, all three starters have a decent special move to sweep the gym with. Even 1/2 effective Embers will trash Geodude and Onix's pathetic special defence.
>>56548126i'm here honey
>>56548200That's the point of them.
>>56547517anon that’s the point. why else do you think they made all future paradox monlets?
>>56547178at least he gets to be the gen 1 speedrunning champion
>>56547178Its special attack can be assumed to be 60% higher due to Sheer Force. It holds a niche despite its modest stats on paper.
>>56547178He's a route 2 (figuratively) shitmon. It's niche is evolving twice before the second gym.
>>56545291It feels like gamefreak just hates Aggron>No Rock moves via level up for ages>Takes absurdly long to evolve>Has really shitty stat distribution>Awful typing>Isn't a pseudo, something that could have possibly saved it from it's awful mediocrity>Got a Mega that solved some of it's issues>Said Mega gets deleted>Can't abuse Tera, a mechanic that would heavily help it due to not being in gen 9>Never gets the proper tools it needs to improve>>56547178Nidoking is incredibly good despite it's stats due to the sheer versatility it has, then it got Sheer Force in gen 5 and became a god slayer with how hard it hits.
>>56545291I'd be fine if it was just pure Rock and Steelix was just pure Steel...
Luxray deserved better
>>56546318>Kiryu is constructed around the skeleton of the original Godzilla, who was killed by the Oxygen Destroyer in 1954.The Rock type represents the "organic" remnant of a Tyranitar, while the Electric type represents the entire robotic structure.
>>56546872whoever made this doesn't understatnd
>>56546316Give it one small buff:Gigaton Hammer does double damage to steel types.
>>56546316We all know why tinkaton is the way it is. Everything about screams nerfed and they compromised by giving it a powerful signature move, it still ended up being popular dispite not having a good attack stat or huge power. I feel like what we got was for the best this thing would have been what ursaluna ended up being but quite a bit better due to its typing if it had either of those.I maybe wouldn't have been so harsh with the attack stat 110 attack wouldn't have made it too crazy then if that ended up being to good I would have nerfed it to 100-105 in the next game. 120-130/50-60 with huge power is probably what it originally had.
>>56549084Why isn’t it steel type then?
>>56546546Scarlet paradoxes are based tho, you can't tell me punk jigglypuff, stone age magneton and dinosaur suicune are bad.
>>56547777>Lopunny>Cinderace>Wigglytuff>Audino>Spinda>Minun>PlusleAll don't have Huge Power, but Mega-Mawile do which isn't a rabbit.>But the pigtails are like rabbit earsTinkaton also has pigtails like rabbit ears too.
>>56546355Ironically, they knowledge it in Pokécafe..
>>56547178>shitty typingthe fuck are you talking about, poison only has gotten better with fairy, and ground is always good for stab EQ. The real atrocity is Gamefreak refuses to put him in any games during the main game.
>>56548358You keep thinking Aggron should be a defensive mon. Stop this shit, it's built for offense and absolutely fucks wherever it lands. The actual hated one is Aerodactyl who is somehow still missing Head Smash. Poor thing is the Scizor story that never was
You don't want to come to terms with it but he really is just shit. Only having 90 Sp. Attack ruins it while its typing is shit for a wall. I bet there is some serious regret not letting it be just Flying type with nothing else attached or Dragon/Water
>>56550655>NPC says what?
>>56545478You can mash a on ember and still dogwalk Brock. None of his pokemon even have a rock type move
>>56550655Used to be better than Ho-Oh. Now the actual King of Gen II is the best Johto legendary as God intended
>>56546546Well, Violet's future ones are.>What if old Pokemon, but robot?Scarlet's past Paradox mons are still rehashes of old Pokemon, but most of them at least make an effort to look substantially different.
>>56550655is there even any point in the movies/show where lugia uses psychic powers? as far as i know it was really only made to be flying/psychic because the director knew that psychic was a powerful type at the timeoh if only he saw what it became now
>>56548126ha ha, I guess there's a mistakefag in all of usfuck itlet's ALL stand up
>>56550655I like how it's a wall yet they give Ho-Oh an instant Burn button. Because fuck you
>>56550655>defensive psychic typenever had a chance
Basically all the Fossil mons.
>>56550821>gen 3 gave Rock Head as its ability>can't learn Brave Bird or Head Smash cause GF is a pussyIt hurts. Fucking Hisuian Arcanine got Head Smash.
>>56550837thats the power of regional replacements that only exist out of suite for the original pokemon.
>>56550853*spite*
>>56550821yup
>>56545433True
>>56550821Game Freak somehow manages to be both too incapable and too shitty for this at the same time.
>>56545291This barely counts, but I think it’s a good example of Game Freak’s laziness.>336 BST>24 of which are still wasted in Attack>hasn’t been reworked to reflect Gen 4 changesI think everyone understands that Unown is a shitmon just by looking at it, but I don’t think many people stop to think about just how bad it is. Its stats are bad enough without having 7% tied up in Attack for the sole reason that Hidden Power used to be split between Attack and Special Attack. I swear they wish that they never created this mon.
Uppies?
>>56552578The stats in attack made sense before the phys/spec split so Unown could use every type of Hidden Power. and Unown having such a low BST makes sense, a single letter is next to worthless and only becomes capable of communicating anything when combined with more letters The real problem is that they never bothered to create a swarming form or mechanic for Unown despite Zygrade and Wishiwashi having them. As is Unown is flat-out incomplete. It really seems like they either hate Unown or regret its existence.
>>56553758I'm surprised they even bothered to include it in Legends.
>>56553758Rip ball caps
>>56545291I used to have a picture of Joltik choking out Onix but I have no idea what happened to it, it was funny as hell, Joltik was smol and everything.
forever stuck being a one-ability meme mon
>>56550655Should've been Dark/Flying. And in an alternate universe, Ho-Oh would have been Light/Flying.
>>56550760>Aeroblast badnon-gamer
>>56553870It's a testament to the longstanding trend of invalidating signature moves, as the biggest victim of it.
>>56553758>The stats in attack made sense before the phys/spec split so Unown could use every type of Hidden PowerThat’s pointed out in my post. My greater point is that I find it fucking ridiculous that they haven’t reworked Unown’s attacking stats in the 18 years since DPP. At least dump those extra 24 points into Special Attack if you can’t be bothered to do more with the mon. 96 Base Special Attack with a single attacking type isn’t going to make waves, you know?>a swarming form or mechanicThese would be neat, but I’d settle for much less.
>>56554004They haven't reworked any offensive stats post-split. Its physical attack is still used for Foul Play, confusion damage, and Struggle :^)
Huntail and Gorebyss were disappointing but Rampardos was the flop of the 2000's, what a waste of a Pokemon design with those awful stats.
>>56554147>rom hacks could have unfucked its stats>not a single one botheredwtf
