Let’s discuss the scrapped mons in the teraleak. Honestly I oddly really like this guy. Wished we had more weird mons (that aren’t ugly).
>>56612281How do we know of was scrapped and not reworked into another Pokemon like Kyogre?
the off the wall dark and edgy designs are crazy, its fun to think there was a moment in time when someone at pokemon was considering something really different i like this guy, with his ribcage and strange anatomy and mysterious scary lack of face
As a massive Sableye fan, this shit gives me life. So cool to see the design process and a scrapped evo from gen 5.Im happy with the mega we got, but Gigalith Sableye was peak.
>>56612363Its possible that the concept for this design was creepy sea creature. It seems all of this were hired to get cooler designs into the mix. Perhaps they were already looking for sea and land creatures for RS, so it doesn't look like repurposed more like they had another take on the dex slot later on.
>>56612381Call it a Ultra Beast and boom: canon.
>>56613411call it a pokemon and boom; canon
>>56612281I now realize this one's meant to be Purepasu, the sightseeing pokemon. It has somewhere to grab like if it was some kind of boat or tray.
>>56612281This thing is ugly as fuck OPWhy would anyone want shit creepypasta mons, Pokemon are supposed to be cute or cool
>>56612281This one looks like a Digimon>>56612381And this one looks like a boss from Shadow of the Colossus. The same applies to that weird gecko monolith creature that has been posted in other threads
>>56614748>This one looks like a Digimonthis one really looks like a digimon the thing on the face covering the eyes, the chonky legs, loads of claws
>>56612281My nigga Boyatto
A lot of the scrapped gen III mons were cool ngl
>>56614845I do wonder if these edgy ones were really meant to be Pokemon or were actually experimental designs for unknown franchises. It's not rare for new games to develop through others after all
>>56615025no clue, but this one has actual unown runes on it which makes me think they were pitches for a mature pokemon spinoff with totally original monsters but still in the pokemon franchise they made a whole new company to make pokemon coloseum, which had a darker tone than the main games and an older protag. theres a universe where coloseum had a totally different cast of crazy edgy monsters, instead of making two games and being melted into a 3ds camera software dev team
>>56614858I get snow darmanitan vibes from it.
>>56614896Ninfu is just straight-up Q-Bee from Darkstalkers.
>>56614858Smellox polar variant
>>56612381it makes me think of a spinoff meant to be released in the 2000's to appeal to the edgier borderline audience, the aesthetic reminds me a lot of atlus games back then, a mix of death note and pokemon
>>56615025I think it's very obvious what these all are.They're concept art, concepts specifically designed to be unrestrained from Pokemon conventions, much like all the weird myth concepts that have become the main talking point. It's "Create whatever you want, and if we like the ideas we'll convert it into something that would fit pokemon".Basically its a way to avoid sticking too close to certain norms or conventions, or getting that weird fakemon / AI generated vibe where something feels like its trying too hard "look like a pokemon", you take a concept that is made without restraint, and then refine that into something that fits within the universe.
>>56616453This, concept art with the intent to look edgier and cooler so pokemon stopped being the baby franchise that gen2 made it look like.
>>56616453I also think "kaijuu" was probably a key concept during the early planning stages of gen 3, which is why they were doing concept art of kaijuu-like monsters. It eventually got boiled down into the Groudon/Kyogre stuff.
>We almost got canon MissingnoIt's not fucking fair.
>>56615290Speaking of Darkstalkers, Uezari would’ve made a neat Red Riding Hood mon if it’s cloak was red.
>>56614896>EidoggoLiterally my mom's fucking dog, there's no way his was the name they fucking picked lmfao. It predates doggo meme. Gamefreak was cookin.
>>56614896>spheal wasa bowling ball for a scrapped bowling pin penguini want to say we wuz robbed but this would've just been another shitmon pair like volbeat/illumise or the pikaclones
>>56612514>literally just sableye again but slightly different colours>peak
>>56616745Doggu is just how it sounds when a nip says dog, then Ei is just A. It's name is just "A Dog".
>>56616844Yea, it's hilarious that there was so little creativity in my mom's dog that they just called it "dog"
>>56616844I think it's also supposed to be "Aidog" as in "love dog." It looks like a St. Bernard, which are avalanche rescue dogs. The bib looks like it has a red cross and the saddle is probably meant to carry people out of disaster areas.
Scrapped Blaziken is a lot better than the abortion we ended up with
>>56617142>I think it's also supposed to be "Aidog"no it's not, エ is "e", not "a" which would be ア
>>56617196Damn. I gave them too much credit.
>>56617236I mean you're right in that it's clearly a st. bernard
>>56612281That squid betamon is kino. Shame it got scrapped.
>>56614858how the fuck does this thing survive? like does it feet-teeth just chew up the ground and nutrients from it? would it not be in constant pain?
>>56612281yhea the art is pretty cool, they really look like monsters, not poket but monstersany idea about the name of the creator?
>>56617310There are plenty of pokemon that literally eat rocks already. Also real life snails have their mouth on their "foot".
>>56616844Nigga that's almost all of Gen jp names>Fire>Thunder>Pidgeon>Lizard>Arrow>Sand>Ghost>Sleep>Crab
>>56617281I agree. Would have been on my team instantly.
>>56617236Both of you are right really. It's ei but still pronounced with the same a sound you'd use for "aid" and "a dog." But Pokemon is full with puns like these really so it doesn't matter too much. They wouldn't use ア for the "aid" sound, "Aid" would be エイド which is indeed エイドッゴ just kinda conjoining the end and beginning of the two words (which Pokemon does VERY often anyway)The only confusion is trying to be too rigid in Japanese transliteration. Both are correct interpretations. Like グラス can be "Glass" or "Grass" but the context would give you a clue as to what the fuck is being said. In this case, there is no context, but that's usually what GameFreak strives for with names - purposefully ambiguous double meanings.
>>56612281No Metagross?
>>56616661Was that glitch ever acknowledged before Gen 3?
>>56612281Do we know if there's any of these for gen 4 and 5? From what I read these are only from gen 3.
>>56617964Yes, on the English website, they spelt its name as MissingNO.One of the TCG artists also drew it much later.
>>56617142>It looks like a St. Bernard, which are avalanche rescue dogs. The bib looks like it has a red cross and the saddle is probably meant to carry people out of disaster areas.Yeah, I think the inspirations for "aid-dog" are pretty clear.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvN3dmMIDiM
Since we're trying to understand the meaning behind these Betamon names, would Monorabi's be called like this because he's just an one-eared rabbit?
>>56618170oui
>>56612281desu i would love to know which artist came up with the edgy designs 'cause i absolutely love them and i wish i could see more of their artwork
>>56618249I mean, what would be the inspiration behind it? I don't remember any relevant one-eared rabbit in folklore or history
>>56614896What the fuck Huntail's original design was a great idea.
>>56618384coming up with a hundred good ideas is hard
>>56618563I guess so. It's funny how earlier Pokemon seemed more random and truly "monster-like" in comparison to new generations
>>56618563True
Where is beta Farfignugletron?
>>56614896Kujatta is quite literally my mom's peacock.Why is Pokémon so awful at making birds? Toucannon and Flamigo are literally JUST birds.
>>56618840>Kujatta is quite literally my mom's peacock.Its also what the developer notes says
>>56618881Toucannon and Flamigo should both join Kujatta in non-existance.
>>56618922Agreed toucannon could have been better if they integrated beak blast and fucking cannon in its name into its design.
>>56618983Toucannon looks much better in motion when you can see how its beak gradually heats up.
Really makes me wanna take the best of what we got and shove it into Pokemon Essentials nglMaybe I'll finally make that game...
>>56614896the shitty bagpipe was reborm into a shitty engine in paldea383 and 384 were probably scrapped for zangoose and seviperall of the scrapped but one were absolute dogshit, the squid was the only good one, maybe the protoscraggy too, still better than the gen 5 version
>>56614896beta togedemaru a shitanyway clamperl and huntail x gorebyss' rumours have a validation now, clearly brought back in gen 9 too, seems like even the scrapped mons can come back in a new redesign and concept even 15+ years lateruezari was merged with beta-castform to become the current castform, the magic ball pearl was a cute ideaF for Tochin, cute snake derp dragonAlso thank god pic related has never brought to canon life
>>56618832farting houndoom is not beta.
>>56619834>the shitty bagpipe was reborm into a shitty engine in paldeaAre you actually fucking stupid? Revavroom and the instruments look absolutely nothing alike beyond being objectmons made of metal. If anything they were probably the original concept for Exploud.
>>56616453>>56616493this is it exactly
>>56614896I think this thing is kind of intriguing, if I'm seeing it correctly it's like a book bird? not that exciting but it's an interesting idea that could've been cool after a couple revisions. probably would have been a 1 stage shitmon though.
>>56616724>red riding hooduezari was obviously recycled and combined with beta castform to create the canon castform we have now, forecast pokemon as in it does predict like a fortune teller, all his forms have a helmet like sphere that keeps uezari's inspiration
>>56620208Are you?The sound based ogre was passed to Exploud line but the messy pipe concept with weird eyes and mouth positions was recycled into that engine shitmon.
>>56620476Also Castform being able to learn Future Sight as eggmove since his debut games.
>>56612281Necrozma whale
>>56620374It's a humming bird based pun, in many languages the humming birds are called colibri/kolibri etc, "book" in Latin is "liber" singular and "libri" plural and in modern Italian it's "libro".It's that kind of basic clichè idea for a fakemon, deviantart probably has plenty of those from the when fakemons were a popular trend.
>>56614896>ponkuDid they make F.L.U.D.D a pokemon?
>>56616661>>56615127Does the inscription mean anything? Some words sounds like japanese, but I can't identify certain letters
>>56621217Pretty sure it just translated to a signature in Romaji, something along the lines of "Design by (artist name)" I forget who
>>56620374>>56620724its color palette is just like hawlucha too
>>56621771okutani jun
>>56616661wait is missingno part of the concept art as a reference or did people just assume it was based on missingno
>>56622195its one autist spamming his stupid theory
>>56622106Yeah that's it, I didn't want to go looking for it again, my bad
>>56622267other than pokemon and xenoblade, he was the art director for an 2003 xbox game called magatama
>>56612514Oh it's his eye magnified by the crystal. I thought he was holding up a TM in a case. Neat that this probably led to Mega Sableye.
>>56621890Not that far from Flapple too.
>>56614896>trapinch was originally completely unrelated to vibrava and Flygon>vibrava had a prevo that looked more relatedWell that explains why Trapinch looks absolutely nothing like the rest of the line while Vibrava and Flygon have similar traits.
Beta huntail was rad, still like the final design but damn, they took out a lot of the charm
>>56617762This design makes a lot more sense with Sapphire's Dex entry of Metagross eating other mons. Metagross in its current form always seemed like it would eat rocks or iron or something.
>>56612514The magnified eye peering through the crystal/diamond is pretty kino
for me it's fatfuck simisearwe wuz robbed
>>56616453Yep, it’s essentially what Amano does for Final Fantasy. He doesn’t conform his art style in a way that it can be used 1:1 as game/promo assets but the art and concepts he puts out are so singularly unique that it gets the creative juices flowing for everyone else to the extent that it’s very valuable to have him around.
>>56614896Are you shitting me, i remember many of those
>>56614845This shit looks like it was drawn by Wayne Douglas Barlowe
>>56614896>Tentaquil strikes againSometimes I just wonder if that post was a straight up troll leak.
>>56612514The name makes more sense if the gimmick was he was using a Cristal for his eye
>>56614858>>56617310The first thing I though of was the Sea Strider from Expedition.
>>56622803The tail on the 2nd beta looks like Gorebyss.
Is anyone else seeing this, or am I just crazy?
Also I think these guys are a duo. Both names are types of tea.
>>56614896>ShiomaguneSo their obsession with magnet hairs started in Gen 3, huh
>>56627608>>56627822I like these. These are solid theories, especially the beta Sableye's connection to the Mega. That's so fucking cool.>>56614896I think Kujatta was heavily inspired by Tezuka's Phoenix/Hi no Tori, and Lotad may have been related to the Hoppip line.
>>56614896What does a mantis shrimp have to do with a mummy cyclops?
I love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe
Even though there's nothing in this leak to support it (and arguably the Spheal/bowling ball stuff goes against it), I still hold onto the idea that Snorunt and Spheal were reworked from Wolfman and Kotora from the GS beta.Also, has anyone been able to find a sprite for Torkoal's lost pre-evolution? The dex entry from a later build has it replacing Nosepass in the index list in the final, but a draft of Nosepass appeared much earlier with all these sprites. My guess is that when they added Torkoal (probably reworked from the box turtle), they came up with the prevo afterwards, so they were more willing to drop it entirely to re-add Nosepass in order to balance the typings of available mons. On that same note, the fact that Chimecho appears in the early drafts yet is the very last mon in index order in the final game (and is only found in one area with no trainers using it) means it was cut for something else but added back in at the last minute. Maybe they dropped a two-stage line but then needed a single mon to get back to a self-imposed limit of 200(+2) for the regional dex.
>>56612281Does anyone have a comp of all rhe BWmons, the pic going around is missing some
>>56627608>>56627608I think this dude was part of this as well, similar head to sabeleye
>>566228031st one is kino
>>56629018banette
>>5662where are u lookin at the spritesheet?
>>56629073Both
>beta stats>+45 to defense>-45 to attackWE WERE ROBBED
>>56627608Some of it feels like a stretch. Why isn’t Wobbuffet there either? Beta Wobbuffet resembles Shuppet; the name Kagebozu also was passed from beta Wobb to beta Banette, and then finally to Shuppet in the finished title. Wobbuffet also stole shadow tag from beta Banette.
>>56612281My theory is that this is early Wailord.>>56612381This is the basis for the regis / regirock.>>56615127This is Deoxys, a take on the alien monolith concept.>>56614845This is Kyogre, the water beast.>>56616311This is meant to be god of the sky (lightning theme) and eventually was replaced by Rayquaza. Then pic related was meant to be Groudon.
>>56618840>>56618922>>56618983Toucannon's beak is colored like a heat scale, and can gradually change color as it heats up. Its tail is also designed to resemble a cannon's fuse. They did put thought into it being more than just a toucan.
>>56629255Is this the Wobbufett you're talking about? Because I don't think Twins and Girafarig fit into this. Do you know what build this is from by any chance? I don't think I've ever seen this Wobbufett, and can't find any more info
>>56629577Oh and by "fit into this", I mean the original picture about beta Sableye. Of course Twins & Girafarig are related to Wobbufett
nice
>>56629407>Then pic related was meant to be GroudonLooks like another take at cactus monster
>>56612363I think it's more a proof of concept. It's got a lot of gen 3 design traits like the eyes, patterns, spikes and lower mouth. Color scheme is similar to Linoone.I've seen a few suggwest this was a concept for a cocoon evolution like Cascoon.
>>56614896nobinyobi sexo
>>56614896I've noticed a lot of designs like shedninja and huntail are direct proof that they started babyfying stuff since gen 3.I feel like they weren't so afraid of sharp teeth in gen 2 and before.
>>56614896>#326 AreiHas anyone pointed this out yet?I want to impregnate Arei
Where can I find the leaks?
>>56628683That "leak" with the RS beta of a Torkoal prevo was a fake since it's allegedly dated Sept 2002 (ergo, the penultimate build) and there is no pallete data for the Torkoal prevo's box/mini sprite
>>56622106can we get his portfolio? would love to compare
>>56616311This one is definitely the coolest. Did it have any internal file names associated with it? Would love to see fan artists turning it into an actual Pokemon.
You trannies gonna post the link or not?
>>56614896the middle huntail's fake fish looks like gorebyss
>>56616842Correct.
>>56622195i honestly think the idea got recycled for treecko.big are geckos.and treecko's final form has a huge thick tail
>>56622195Its a theory hedging on the sillouette being similar and how mysterious it looks
>>56612281Its filename is Esper Rocket in Japanese, therefore this was likely a psychic+flying/steel type. Might actually be a Deoxys or Jirachi concept.Though I feel they likely decided they wanted 2 mythicals - one "cute" in the vein of Mew and Celebi with a more experimental cool design.
>>56633503Sounds more like the twins
>>56633520Lati duo were one of the first gen 3 mon made by 2000 as per Sugimori's own words during a RS interview that Dr. Lava translated, plus the design for them was definitely finalised by May 2001 considering M05 news was on the Project Pikachu website by then. The filedate on that pic is July 2002
>>56616311Gives me Hounds of Tindalos vibes, what with the angular build and a body that looks like it just jumped dimensions.
>>56624970My nigga
>>56624970REALEST NIGGA IN THIS THREAD HOLY SHIT, IF I COULD GIVE YOU HEAD I WOULD
>>56617762Now the iron crab thing makes sense.
>シオマグネ
>>56620140>clamperl and huntail x gorebyss' rumoursWhat rumors?
>>56614896i want magnet crab. every crab pokemon is dogshit now.
>>56631988It just looks like they were still trying to work on this design to me
>>56614896needle bag makuhita baby is cute. snake scrafty ruined regular scrafty. want ubausagi >>56620140that thing is objectively better than grumpig
>>56622803>huntail and gorebys were one pokemon wild
>>56629089oh wow its worthless.
>>56616311it's a hound of tindalos, that's why it's transluscent and vanishes towards its edges
>>56635151>>56635410Why didn’t they recycle it as a Krabby regional?
>>56636529They probably forgot
>>56629407actually picrel was cacturne
>>56614896Does someone have more info on Kodomin (leftmost, third row)? It's so cool but I have no idea what it's supposed to be.
>>56637138I thunder oni I think
>>56615025Honestly most of them seem like they became pokemon. They just became less SMT and more pokemon proper.I've seen Cacturne, Metagross, Aggron, Manectric, and because of it being a completely rock monster with no real face climbing around on unown glyphs I wouldn't be surprised if >>56615127 is a very very early Regirock.
>>56616311being we have evidence over and over of them going back to previous gens and refining concepts and designs that got cut, I wonder if this inspired Xerneas
>>56638036Honestly the weird Skeletal energy shit going on has me thinking more about Eternatus than Xerneas
>>56638066That too, but the blue colour scheme layer over a layer of lights really reminds me of Xerneas' horns
what's the green thing in this one>>56637553
>>56638109it looks like the creature thats wearing the skull, its just a blank placeholder
>>56627822TCRF indicates Oolong here became Rayquaza, judging by the naming of its Sugimori art. If so, and taking these as a duo, it really seems to me they were merged together to make Fug
>>56612281it's crazy how close we came to pokémon games actually having a change for once
>>56614896seems like this guy was re-worked into FLUDD in sunshine. Pretty cool
>>56638179literally a digimon
>>56638187i think its a coincidence, i dont think the sunshine team was taking notes from gamefreak
>>56614896Lotad looks like that fake shadow bug mon that people said was from space world years and years ago
>>56638202literally a spectrobe
>>56612281I swear I sketch of this design was posted years ago and was eventually "discredited" anyone remember that?
>>56638221
>>56612281Love that we got official art of these, wonder why they bothered, were they mons they planned to use in the anime like kecleon?
>>56638303Probably mons far enough in development to warrant art but cut late into development
>>56638179this could have been early groudon
Does anyone know if Kekleon has differ forms (colors) in the beta, his eReader dex enteries all have different palettes, including purple
>>56638303There are a few based on literal toys, which makes me think of low hanging fruit merchandise.
>>56631988get in line
>>56614896they all have names now? cool!wholesome hugging with Arei
>>56614845Was likely revived into Gigalith, feels like some cave-dwelling creature
>>56638588>likelypea brain
>>56638622i know, what a fucking retarded idiot
So is this fuckin thing real or not?
>>56635151This is just Klawf. Similar shapes and colorations.Klawf even has the magnetic fuzz; it just lost the awkward magnets.
>>56638303The way pokemon used to be designed would be that they'd get sketched, roughed into sprites, then Sugimori (or someone directly with him) would pick the best ones and make proper artwork of them to refine the design, then the sprite would be changed to match the new artwork. These were probably the ones considered good enough for that Sugimori artwork step, but then got cut afterwards anyway
>>56638901Speaking of Sugimori's artwork, in which part of ther leak are the Betamon like this one? >>56638303
>>56639304https://tcrf.net/Development:Pokémon_Ruby_and_Sapphire/Pokémon_Data#Artwork
>Would've been the first Ghost/Fairy that isn't based on a pre-existing monRobbery
>>56639340Thank you very much! Shame that we didn't get anything like this with the scrapped GS mons
Pippa would ironically be enough be completely kino if they kept it and kept moving it into future generations where you could easily change natures/ivs and all that shit since I'm sure half the reason it wasn't in Gen 3 was because that was when the ability, nature, and EV system finally came to be.Also maybe made it evolve into its own mons that represent strengths in certain stats (HP, Atk, etc.) and give the evolutions moves based off of those
>>56614896It's painful that we missed out on the the squid, grass rabbit, peacock, and the bookmark bird.
>>56639576That poor squid likely got cut from three gens in a row.
>>56639574Pippa?
>>56639991that lottery pokemon
>>56638747It's sableye
>>56638588Bruh it's Aggron>>56612281
>>56640020>lottery PokémonCan I get a qrd on pippa and wtf it is or it's gimmick is? Haven't had time to comb through the docos yet
>>56641382people think, based on an unused pokedex entry leaked a while ago, that its gimmick was to evolve into a random pokemon
>>56641382supposedly it could evolve into any pokemon chosen at random
>>56628344arbrood
>>56640020wasn't it called evolotto?
>>56641436It was renamed that by March 2002. Its name back in 2001 was Pippa.
>>56641403>>56641414
>>56641436It's probably "Evolot". In Japanese, the word "lot" is spelt as its name is. The word "lotto" is spelt a little differently.
>>56641382It has no ears or mouth and reacts based on light.
>>56612281Everyone says this is rayquaza somehow and it's making me think I was genuinely created via Last Thursday-ism
>>56614896I want Pippa :(
Bump
>>56614896Oh man, I just realized Zuruzu is an early Scraggy/Scrafty.I also really like Togepyon. He looks based.>>56639596Poor squid indeed. Fingers crossed we get him in the next generation then.
>>56639596>>56647574the squid was likely repurposed into lileep/cradily. tentacles, "eye"-markings on a "pot", etc.
>>56627608What the fuck is the reddit mascot thing and the retarded yellow thing on top LMAO
>>56615127That's literally a monster from fear and hunger
>>56631970>sharp teeth are what makes something baby or notlolwut
They all look like they came straight up from a Final Fantasy Game.Why nobody is talking about that they look like Final Fantasy Enemies!?
>>56634140I can definitely see it.
>>56638284between this, beta hoppip, and final oddish, seems like someone at gf really liked grass types that were black blobs with light dot eyes with a plant on their head
>>56631988People make the Primarina comparison a lot, but I think it just got reworked into Milotic, which is also supposed to be mermaid-inspired.
>>56614845I wonder if this got refined into Deino.
>>56612281This is actually a scrapped fossilmon. It looks like a mix between anvil sharks (Stethacanthus) and a pliosaur.
>>56627514yeahlooks like they were trying to do a fish girafarig
>>56631988looks like a dog to me with it's legs being covered by a blanket
>>56618014>One of the TCG artists also drew it much later.Pic? Which artist? If it's Arita, I'll freak.
>>56616661Doesn't the japanese version of the glitch generate a different missingno image? Probably just a coincidence if true, because a japanese artist would make it look like their version, not an overseas version.
the only scrapped content that would interest me are rejected megas and the whole paradox mons working concepts. I also wonder if ultra beast had some rejected stuff too, to show is the likeness of some of them with some NPC came from something
>>56650711Same, I'm not sure why people keep thinking its a mermaid. It's got a bell collar and it's back sprite shows it has dog ears
>>56641382It can evolve into a pokemon at random, and some people think it's tied to the mechanic that influences how Wurmple's evolution works
>>56650187Her name was Nishida. Pikachu's designer.
>>56645379Can't be. Because the internal notes in March 2002 say they're unsure whether to even have a third major legend but they probably pushed ahead because the 3rd version fodder was practically there.Sounds like just a concept image that split off into multiple Pokemon like that magazine cover Cleffa and Hitmontop originate from.
>>56614896>Blaziken might have been a trio with Lati@s
>>56650024it's the fact that they even felt like they had to round up their teeth at all.It feels like they were actively going "nah this is too scary for children tone it down"
>>56638303thiz became whismur line
where is the image with the unova scrapped mons
>>56654674Looking for this also, also gen 4 if there is one of those
>Scrapped Military themeThat explains why learns Explosion by level up.
Wish I could have added her to my grass waifumon harem
>>56612281i too enjoy the horrific blimp creature
>>56650398i think it was just scrapped, the only edgymon that was recycled into an actual game was the cacturne one, everything else is just speculation clutching at straws might be fun for other people, but if yalls are gonna bend over backwards trying to seek patterns yous need to get better at it
>>56655173crazy that by this time, they had recoloured both jynx and bellosom but one of the staff was still trying to pitch this
