Ashfags Edition>Livestream link (Fridays @ 9:55 AM UTC):https://mov3.co/tvtokyo>Latest episode:https://nyaa.si/view/1884160Next episode:>October 18th: PM2023 069 - I'm a Pokémon and You're Me?!https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pocketmonster2023/episodes/Future episodes:>October 25th: PM2023 070 - Kanuchan's Hammer Wasn't Built in a Day>Upcoming episodes previews:https://x.com/anipoke_PR/status/1837075984060928062https://x.com/anipoke_PR/status/1839612195124179148>Previous episodes:https://pastebin.com/N5fves0y>OS-JN filler guide:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nr3LMRBx-tJZtSwAbc4s4YTEgg6MVFnc>Web series, specials, and audio dramas subs and links:https://pastebin.com/gkJSXkbL>Movies:https://pastebin.com/nHcuH7yN>Music, manga, and more:https://pastebin.com/gXfZtrrJPrevious: >>56604672
>>56622180>Ash is NEVER coming backHas Ashfag roped yet?
>>56622203On the contrary he's coping and claiming that the leaks are fake. It's funny since the leaks admitted that Ash coming back was at least initially considered (if later dropped). Maybe what he had issue with was the confirmation that the declining ratings were partly blamed on Ash being kept around, which shattered his long-time narrative about the ratings.
>in the same meeting they literally stated that he's an international icon>Told Miyahara that the drama has nothing to do with them nor Ash as a character >Told him that the new anime has to walk a thin thread where his legacy won't be disrespected>People know more about Sarah and Veronica than Rica>Ash as a character is above Rica so muh VA tradition really means nothing when most of the world know thanks to the english dubI get not liking Ash, coping because Liko and Roy are literal nobodies or baiting Famon but you faggots are reaching too hard
>>56622445>People know more about Sarah and Veronica than Rica>Ash as a character is above Rica so muh VA tradition really means nothing when most of the world know thanks to the english dubNeither of those were in the meeting. The only thing that was in the meeting was that they wanted to give Ash's retirement justice while avoiding the wrath of international fans.
https://x.com/anipoke_PR/status/1845992990604660901Seems like the photo at the end of the opening will change every week.
>>56622445They were concerned about dropping Ash but everything is okay now, there is no reason to bring him back as plan b
I mean, everyone knows Ash will return either for a special episode, cameo or OVA. This is kodomo 101 where past main characters return in some way
>Ash: The Last is still a possibilityWho wants to see Ash saving the world for the 22nd time?
>>56622445Famon mindbroke people to be just as annoying as him. In some ways I say they are worse since Famon's shit isn't put up with and everyone calls him out, but the retards mindbroken by him constantly get away with their shitstirring just because they can excuse because of Famon's retardation. Annoying as fuck.
The way i see it, the only way for Liko and Roy to surpass Ash in every sense of the word is if they have children in the epilogue. The one thing everyone wanted for Ash. Even more than winning the League, beating Takuto or marrying X Pokegirl.
>>56623012I love how Penny is barely putting any effort into her pose, she’s just in her default pose except she’s giving a peace sign. It’s very in character for her.
>>56623389>I love it when [animators being lazy fuck]
incestfreak Liko makes my peepee hard
>>56623012Good. Ann is not cute.
>>56623012SOVL BEYOND SOVL
>>56623417I’m aware that’s the actual reason, I just think it’s a funny observation.
>>56623419>incestfreakLiko would never
>>56623228The producers were afraid that Ashfags like Famon were gonna burn the studio down but sure we are exaggeratin.
>>56623012>no Arven
>>56623447>BUZZWORD BEYOND BUZZORD
>>56622445>>56623228>Post a section of the meeting about Arson in the OP>Muh Fagmon out of nowhereWeakest projection. All it takes is now is to post the arson page and it's about "baiting Famon"? Lmao you spineless retards can't even project your own mindbroken tantrums right.
>>56624142Not to mention the sudden English Dub shilling which was nowhere in the leaks at all so there's also that too
>>56622180It makes me wonder how much of 4kids getting fired was initiated by TPC itself rather than TPCi. That clearly was a reference to the petition the 4kids cast passed around (after someone started it for them iirc).
>>56624283>Comparing a literal crime to a simple petitionCan anyone explain like the logic here at all?
>>56623012>Seems like the photo at the end of the opening will change every week.Kino
>>56622445they literally said he wasn't popular anymore lol
>>56624438They specifically mention a petition, which happened when 4kids got fired. They also mention insane Serena fans sending hate at them.It says something they mention those two in the same breath as the KyoAni arson.
>>56622180>This is actually legitI don't want to hear another word from those moronic manchildren ever again. Imagine being so unhinged that the hands that helps feeding you te episodes trusted you to commit a fucking felony.
>>56622180Those were definitely happening during the masters eight production, it's legit the only timeframe where even nips were sick of how shitty the episodes were.But fucking kek, which one of you fuckers harassed their asses in broken English?
I hope someone in the cast catches a Bakufun
>>56623073Why are they crying? Did he deaded? I'm probably gonna watch this at some point so I don't know if I actually want an answer..
I hope the idea that this series is connected to the Ashime was dropped because I like Horizons feeling like it has the potential of being a side story to SV.
>>56623073He will appear as a figure from the Crystal Pool
On one hand messed up shit.On the other hand by burying that SI alongside the shippingfaggotry they gave way to introduce characters that got skipped in the previous Gens. So thanks for that I guess
>>56622445>SarahHoly fuck no wonder alya sounded like a boy when speaking her native language in the dub
>>56623672>Liko would never
>>56625651>Discussing non-Pokemon fotm slop in the halls after the warningsMy Gs..
>>56625196Not gonna spoil it but is a woman moment
>>56623073He'll get May'd. 2 second appearance in an unanimated still frame with no voice line or any particular emphasis put on him in particular.
>>56625968YIPPPEEEEEEE
>>56625968Funny
>>56625968Goddamn it was in front of us the whole time
>>56623012Arvenbros, the hour is near.
>>56625696Liko would first finish up her adventure before it goes in to the finishline.
>>56623012>Seems like the photo at the end of the opening will change every week.Changing photos based on the previous weeks of Episodes or for the upcoming ones?
>>56626585We'll find out in 80 hours, but I'm guessing it the former.
>>56626683Shucks. But thx
SerenaCHADs wonThe most influential fandom
>Chase and Elaine with the Paldean starters were the placeholders for the next protagonistsOK, weird choice.
Liko should get a Roaring Moon
>>56626897>Getting another memed PokémonBased
Anyone else excited about this?
>>56626972I have no idea what this means.
>>56627048Pluto TV is a free ad-supported televison app that lets you watch a bunch of shit like it was regular broadcast TV
Dot should get Fluttermane to go with Iono's Mismagius that she never used in the anime.
>>56626972like you wouldn't believe, been waiting for a place to watch strawberry shortcake
>>56627099Hm. Well if the Ash anime was even somewhat interesting it might have been nice to finally have somewhere to watch the old anime, but I think stra->>56627132fucker took my joke
>>56623012The space above roy looks like could fit two more characters
>>56627204Xavier's big enough for two.
>>56627271Based
>>56627129I think them getting a Paradox Mon is gonna be endgame material at the very least
>>56625968Now I know why Ash never evolved Quilava, took years for him to evolve Cyndaquil too. But Dawn? I'm worried for that girl.
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>>56628292LMAO IT'S TRUE
>>56625143Liko needs to stay far far away from the hisuian form of it, Arceus knows what a kid with a ghost type will end up as.
The Friede stabbing his own crew in the back for a long-lost brother seems extremely both out of character and unfitting with what is present in the current Likonime. Understandable as to why it's a dropped idea
>>56628405Liko with a Hisuian Typhlosion would actually be pretty cool, even if it wouldn't make much sense lore wise.
>>56628681This Paldea, the region of Paradox and timetraveling. I think sense is the last thing when they could hop into the past at any point or the idea that the Terapagos she was carrying around is ALSO the Terapagos from the DLC.
>>56628665>Getting helped out by Lucca when having no plan on what to do with your life>Making a blimp together with your childhood friend with the boat of a freeloader.>Work together to make some money>The woman who helped through phases asks you to look after her daughterYeah, definitely too far-fetched by now to make some coherent sense.
Between Google translate and Openl Io, what should I use to translate leaks when I am not jap-savy?
Dumping the slides of the pdf files from the anime leak folder.First file is 220502アニポケMTG_TPC様資料, located under the 220502アニポケMTG_TPC folder. It was last modified in May 2022
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>>56629074Use Openly, it's more context sensitive than Google's raw translation
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>>56628695True. I was thinking more the fact that Typhlosion became ghost type due to the energy radiating from Mt Coronet, but your idea is good as well.
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>>56628665No one suspects a thing, not even the audience, the perfect twist.
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>>56629171Last slide. Translationfags go nuts if you're lurking.
>>56629091>Main factor they pay attention to is TV
>>56629098That blue dip is depressing
The section about the early Verne/Horizons part floating have definitely changed in contrast to the final version.>Roy meets Arven instead of Nemona>Roy gets more progression while Liko is more heavyloaded into the story about Terapagos
I want to know their reactions to the dismal reception of Best Wishes.
The only other document in the 220502アニポケMTG_TPC folder is touching the Satopika ending.Also from May 2022
>>56629417Anime-wise, BW had good reception. The lack of previous gens is where the gen suffered
>>56629417>>56629447BW was on the same level
sango sex
Is Typhlosion gonna get Porygon'd?
Minor thing, in the docs mollie is listed as being from unova, and the current end credits has a silhouette of her when she was younger. Assuming her backstory doesn't happen after interacting with the shitty kitakami nurse joy (shitty because she clearly doesn't give a shit about her job) and the unova part is still canon, I can see that being evidence towards blueberry academy/unova soonish.
>>56629710Would be a cool tie of her originally being one of the nurses that worked in the DLC locations
Ash x Dawn
>>56629710They listed the original regions of each Volteccers? Could you post all of them and from what doc?
>>56622370> A game development studio has no information on the game they are making.> But entire files on the conversation between people about the anime despite not being related to anime productions.> Has entire fanfic on human x pokemon breeding.Guys its real, Trust me!
>>56629980>An anime studio says Ash is retired>70 episodes later and Ash still hasn't appeared>no promotional material for Ash anywhereGuys Ash is coming back, Trust me!
>>56623012That's cute, I like it.
>>56630034>Game Studio says Ash retired for ratings.> Current rating are even lower than Precure and past Ashnime series.Guys they totally gonna keep Liko and Roy, trust me
>>56630166Anime studio still said he's retired. Ok goodbye
I think it's a good thing they've cut down the amount of hero Pokemon, would be pretty bloated to retract every single region before Paldea.
>>56630166>Gen 8 ashanime season was so shit it killed the hype for the next series
>>56629697Probably not. It's not like he has many appearances anyway.
>>56630177>>56630188Not to mention he's actively lying about the ratings. They are going up slightly higher than Journeys and is more often in the top 10. But nnooooo, we can't have Pokemon go on a road of recovery, it would break the narrative that his SI wasn't at fault
>>56630198It's the matter of possibility. Them going through Hisui because of idk, Terapagos fucking up with timetraveling isn't out of the question
>>56630177Anime studio and publisher also said That Goku was retired yet he is coming back for Dragonball Daima.
Has Rhydon died yet?
>>56624641>They also mention insane Serena fans sending hate at them.Nope. It was from people who hate Serena considering the “affection” part was a mistranslation, which would have been the most damning evidence against them.
Holy shit they're bringing Goh back. Based
>>56630188> Pokémon 2023 fails due to the lack of compelling character and interesting premise." I-its totally Ashnime fault, T-trust me"
>>56630283Goku never went away though. Bye bye Ash
>>56630316This but unironically
>>56630316>Can't defend Gen 8 without shitting on Gen 9Insecure loser projecting again. More news at 11
>>56630316> Pokemon 2023 cancels bringing Ash back because he's unpopular and uninteresting" A-ash is coming back, Trust me!"
>>56630220>Not to mention he's actively lying about the ratingsHave you even cheeked the rating? Because I did and this guy can do it again so don't try to lie. In fact, Pokémon anime fails when the executive bet important decision on new anime exclusive OC. BW failed when the anime forced a racist newbie as the main rival, XY&Z failed because of Alain pandering, Journey failed because of Goh , Pokémon movie died because of Coco.
>>56630373> Can't defeat Gen 9 without insulting Gen 8.Fixed it for you.
>>56630389In fact, Pokemon anime more popular without your self insert. Heck, Liko much more competent
>>56630323He freaking died and still came back.
>>56630389>Gets a chart shown based on TV ratings that Horizons lands more often in the top 10 than Journeys>Calls it fanfic without looking twiceI know you're desperate but damn your deflection is garbage.
>>56630402>Pokemon anime more popularThe current TV rating and YouTube views shows opposite results. Even Livestreamers has dropped Pokémon 2023.
>>56630395Project harder. That won't magically make it true
>>56630406They tried to kill Goku several times, they even built up his replacement, and STILL they couldn't get rid of Goku for more than a couple episodes. He's too iconic.Meanwhile it's been almost 100 episodes and yeah I don't think Liko's going anywhere anytime soon>>56630421This is your new anipoke protagonist, say something nice to her!
>>56630395Parroting is admission of defeat
>>56630421>Ignores mov3 suddenly or that the ONE streamer actually got a jobCope
>>56630408>>Gets a chart shown based on TV ratings thatShowed Pokémon 2023 to have lowest rating out of all past Pokeani series. Heck none of Pokémon 2023 episode near the highest rated Pokemon 2019 episode.
>LikoRoyfags and Ashfags are fightingneither of you have any room to criticize anything. It's the same fucking show it's been for years. The same witless, unfunny dreck it's been since it became an obligation rather than a vehicle for expression. There is no trace of soul or passion because it is a tool rather than a piece of art. Any occasional entertainment is incidental at best, and it never comes from Liko, Roy, or Ash. Ashfags are the most mentally deficient people online because they've emotionally anchored themselves to a character with the depth of a cereal box mascot. LikoRoyfags have a shorter rap sheet but are especially embarrassing in these threads because it's long been clear that they're enjoying it out of spite for retards like Famon and Luis rather than for any perceivable quality. We should all at least be able to agree that this shit is straight ass and that we're all only here for traditions sake and because Pokémon is our culture
>>56630430>They tried to kill Goku several times, they even built up his replacement, and STILL they couldn't get rid of Goku for more than a couple episodes. He's too iconicJust like Ash.>Meanwhile it's been almost 100 episodesYet nether Liko and Roy managed to become nearly as compelling as Ash in the very first episode.
>>56630444Pm2023 has been top10 twice as much as JN. At this point it's obvious, Liko is here to stay.
>>56630462>Pm2023 has been top10 twice as much as JNRatings shows opposite results. Heck, Pokémon 2023 barely can make it to 11th place.
>>56630461No because Goku always came back quickly and everyone wanted him back.Liko and Roy pretty much already won.
Does anyone have actual links to these ratings or is every single person here speaking out of their ass?
>>56630484>everyone wanted him back.No different than Ash
>>56630488Yeah. PM2023 is mogging JN hard, it's been in the top 10 twice as much as JN and we're only like halfway through the gen.It's pretty much over, he's retired forever. Liko is here to stay, maybe even for next gen
>>56630491Who?Anyways I'm interested to see if Liko actually catches some of the 6 heroes or if they stay as these sorta friends
>>56630488https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2024-09-14/japanese-animation-tv-ranking-september-2-8/.215462Here, cheek yourself.
>>56630501>Chart clearly showing JN did better than Horizon in Rating.> "H-Horizon mogged JN on ratings b-because I said so".Now you gonna rant without any actual arguments.
>>56630552>Ash gone for 100 episodes>anime team said he's retiredNow you gonna say "actually the anime won't last 5 episodes without him"Liko won!
>>56628292Liko belongs to Xavier
>>56630528>Sazae-san still #1This show needs to die. Fuck knows how japansimpsons remains eternal
>>56630501Literally the only mogging on this chart is SM beating XYZ's brains out. PM23 isn't doing better than PM19 because the production quality is the same, the visuals are the same, the tone is still super babyish, there isn't mass appeal, and the comedy is still weak. It's so funny that this debate is taking place between the two weakest reps on the entire chart. You people are in the dumpster fighting over which side has less dirty diapers
>>56630458>Ashfags are the most mentally deficient people online because they've emotionally anchored themselves to a character with the depth of a cereal box mascot.This is factually true, their track records shows them deliberately raiding and disrupting the Paldean Winds and threads until they died off not even 100 posts in. Leak discussions about the TV ratings immediately evolved into reposting the same arguments which can be copypasted into the archives from years ago effectively going in a circle.>LikoRoyfags have a shorter rap sheet but are especially embarrassing in these threads because it's long been clear that they're enjoying it out of spite for retards like Famon and Luis rather than for any perceivable quality. This is factually untrue because if that was the case where discussion material was only kept up in light of provoking someone then the discussion of the Liko anime would have been banned a long time ago like the Solar Beam threads who are made to bait a schizo and are now classified as troll posts (Look up 4bans, you'll find solar beam threads being banned for being troll posts). LikoRoyfags provide a semi-lore to their own jokeposts like Licute and Xavier while largely staying on topic while adapting and learning quicker from slip-ups and mistakes early into one year (Plus the spike in discussions around the Likonime was increasing in the archive per month before the leaks) while Ashfags have the toxic attitude of dragging each other down based on what generation they grew up with instead of accepting the discrepancies. Your short-sighted deduction based on a single thread alone shows that you are mainly here to stir shit up rather than contributing anything of value yourself. Learn to tell apart when someone is posting in honest engagement of the discussion as opposed to creating a false long-term narrative based on a singular case instance.
>>56630641All I'm hearing is "please let my favorite character on your successful show, Liko and Roy are so hype and I want him in on it!"Well, too bad! He's retired and this is Liko and Roy's anime now. Liko and Roy won!
To be completely honest, I don't want Liko or Roy to stay after PM2023. I'd rather they start a tradition of introducing new protagonists from this point onward.
>>56630650>LikoRoyfags provide a semi-lore to their own jokeposts like Licute and XavierI don't know why you think memes about Liko being cute or Liko being hypnotized and raped by a pedophile somehow put you above Ashfags but your reply definitely moved you one notch down, closer to Ashfags than you were before.
>>56630684We all do. It's more interesting when we can see new protagonists who actually grow
>>56630679That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying the entire argument is embarrassing to watch from the outside as both shows and sets of protagonists are not worth bragging over
>>56630684They will go rotational obviously, it's just the idea throws the schizoid into a meltx that Pokemon can go on just fine is what creates the jokes of Liko and Roy overstaying their welcome. Oakfag has a point, don't read too much into one schizo having a meltdown and ONE retard having his fun with the meltdown of the schizo
>>56630708Nobody really cares about the ratings other than the Ashfag.
>>56630690Licute was memed from a mojacookie panel where anons made various edits playing along where it evolved into a empire (Liempire), various forms of infranty soldiers, gifs of helicopters and a megatron for said Licute army, with CuteSpinel being the main bad guy, the name "cute" from "Licute" is a nickname for the iteration of the meme. And nobody ever mentioned that Xavier never hypnotized Liko, that was Spinel who hypnotized and that was actually a scene in the anime so discussing it and his course of actions and methods is normal unlike what you are implying. Your immediate dismissal without the proper foundation is considered invalid, now be so kind to assist completing the pokedex.
>>56630650>>56630795>Oakfag immediately killing false narratives
>pm2023 so popular even the biggest Ash fans can't drop the animehype train keeps rolling
>>56624959No one tell this nigga about Kyoani.
>still fighting over protagsCan't you autists just enjoy Pokemon in general instead of whose series is better?
>>56630918The more accurate version is >One schizo and one retard edging each other onIt's less about Pokemon by now, just them doing it at the expense of everyone else. Let's just hide, ignore and move on. Thoughts about the original six heroes for example?
>>56630951>Thoughts about the original six heroes for example?They are sexy. Especially Lapras.
I believe the leaks and all, but that thing about Lapras is a little... mmm.
>>56630513>Anyways I'm interested to see if Liko actually catches some of the 6 heroes or if they stay as these sorta friendsNot him but that's a valid question. Let's say they reach Rakua, the six heroes probably wanted to figure wtf happened to Lucius and they won't get to reunite with him in the end. Where would that leave them? I think some like Lapras and Arboliva are gonna back to their pirate crew and Paldea respectively, the former probably getting the stick out of the butt or changing things up to become a guidance. Entei is gonna go roaming as usual or lurk in that one spot where he can be found in SV after getting the snack item from the DLC but ultimately, I think the six heroes doing what they did to help Lucius reach Rakua (Lapras traversing the sea, Entei the lands and so forth), they will expand their capabilities to the world around them as one of the potential outcomes.I think if there one Pokemon that would stick with any of the kids, it would be Galarian Moltres or Kleavor. The latter in particular would probably stick out in the modern era and feel that way too so going with someone who has knowledge about his previous partner seems like a appropriate response for it to do so.
>>56630975>originalI misread. Blastoise is too fat, so Zeraora takes the spot for sexiest hero.
>>56630975>>56630985What did I missed out on Lapras?
i'm making my own pokemon series.
>>56630989Finally, a good post again.The six heroes splitting up to do their own thing seems about right if they can't be returned to Lucius in a time-traveling like fashion. Kleavor seems to be the only eligible candidate to stick with Liko & co anyway
>>56625696My... My dick... She's doing things to it...
By the time Ash went to Hoenn, I was a teen and lost interest in the series, though I was still obsessed with the franchise and played the games regularly. I would occasionally check Bulbapedia to see how the anime was doing and what the little dope was catching.I started watching the 2020 series because they said he'd be travelling to old regions, disappointed they didn't really do much with that, and of course I wanted to see his send off, even if it technically wasn't the same rambunctious little shit I grew up with.I am enjoying Liko's series. Though I had mixed feelings on some episodes. Things are picking up now that they're back on the ship.
>>56630593It just shows that most people including Japanese prefer wholesome show with humour and compelling character like the original series and Fireren.
>>56630641>Literally the only mogging on this chart is SM beating XYZ's brains out. PM23 isn't doing better than PM19 because the production quality is the same, the visuals are the same, the tone is still super babyish, there isn't mass appeal, and the comedy is still weakAnd the fact that Ash & TRio aren't even in the show to carry it like other past series. Pokémon 2023 didn't do a single thing to make the series appealing, they just assumed that everybody will automatically become hype for Liko's journey to find her magical destiny.Just like they assume that everybody will avoid a global pandemic for Pokémon Movie Coco to watch the "wonderful" (superficial) father and son relationship between a Tarzan ripoff and an ugly monkey.Current executive has the bad habits of overestimate their new OC and bet everything on them. So when their OC fails to deliver their expectations, the entire show ends up crashing down on them.
Did the leaks have anything on Conway? I've not seen anything Conway-related at all, and his design kind of reminds me of Paul's beta design. Makes me wonder if Conway is a bit like what Paul would have been before they swapped him over to being an edgey foil to Ash.>>56631168Stop posting please.
>>56631043>The six heroes splitting up to do their own thing seems about right if they can't be returned to Lucius in a time-traveling like fashion.I think them accepting that they won't get to reach their partner again and not messing around with the place they traveled for is the best progression for the six heroes.>Kleavor seems to be the only eligible candidate to stick with Liko & co anywaySomewhat split on that but that's a interesting option to go with. Kinda dissapointed that the games never did anything with the time machine in the game itself beyond the main story, like a DLC-scenario of the same one appearing from another timeline to introduce the older Pokemon. Paldea has the biggest freebie out of all regions narrative-wise to do whatever they want. The anime seems to head towards timetraveling too so I have some hopes for them to capitalize on the concept.That being said, the topic of Hisuimons getting brought into the present through timetraveling chaos is what was a point of interest for Ann's Oshawott for it to become a hisuian Samurott, which creates a parallel with Liko's Sprigatito eventually becoming her Meowscarada.>>56631220Still skimming through the 2nd leak containing the DP era of files, only Paul, dawn and extremely low quality versions of DP previews so far.
>>56631236>That being said, the topic of Hisuimons getting brought into the present through timetraveling chaos is what was a point of interest for Ann's Oshawott for it to become a hisuian Samurott, which creates a parallel with Liko's Sprigatito eventually becoming her Meowscarada.That would coincide with the secondary type of both final stages being dark. Like all woman are dark vapid whores on the inside.
>Sprigatito vs Oshawott at the debut>Floragato vs Dewott one year later>Meowscarada vs Samurott at the last mileIt just works.
>>56630315>episode opens with Roy battling Rayquaza>he's struggling >suddenly, Rayquaza is hit by ice beam>It's Goh's Suicune>just as quickly, Goh's Regieleki flies in and disorients Rayquaza with its speed>and then Goh's Eternatus body slams Rayquaza into nothing>Goh catches Rayquaza>Roy wells up with tears and disappointment, but tries to be the bigger man>"Goh that was cool.. we should have a battle some day!">"That's okay Roy, I'm not a battler so i doubt I'd be able to beat you. Let's go Rayquaza">they fly away
>>56631426Honestly, I'd do the same if I were in Goh's shoes. Once you're at the top of the world it would just be cruel to become a battler. Gotta leave the kids something to feel like they're good at, even if you gotta give them free(and technically illegal) recharges on their dynamaxes in the middle of a tournament battle.
>>56631260>That would coincide with the secondary type of both final stages being dark. Like all woman are dark vapid whores on the inside.Anon, I...
>>56631460Ash vs Leon was so shit for so many reasons but Eternatus recharging Pikachu was basically Goh throwing a steel ladder into the arena for Ash to hit Leon with, which does amuse me
>>56631260>Two dark-typed starters throwing claws at each other to the death while Liko and Anne are joyfully screaming out commands.Yep, this is Pokemon
>>56631480>>56631506Liko vs Ann will become a 3vs3 by next year.
>>56629098I'm honestly shocked how many watched BW - I guess we were still in the "yeah it's not good but I guess I'll still watch it" until you got tired of BW disappointing you again and again. Holy shit Trip sucks so bad, I'm having anti-nostalgia goggles remembering him(On top of botching plasma/N, I will never forgive them for not giving the many Rivals real closure despite making them the new plots in the vaccum left behind. Georgia & Burgundy deserved better)
>>56631426BasedGoh > Roy
>>56631524BW wasn't bad. It was fairly good up until the earthquake fucked them and shot whatever plans they had for plasma in the foot.People here really undersell BW for whatever reason.
If Shuckle consumes drugs, does it creates juice with the effects of those drugs or does it filter the particles?
>>56631569Goh wrecks literally every anipoke trainer if we're being real here. Even Tobias can't compare to him anymore.Lucius might be the only one who would stand even the smallest chance against Goh.
>>56630684They aren't unable to because they're tied down to their plot for the most part.
>>56631569Would Goh 'catch' Liko or would he leave Roy with some hope? He never really left much behind for Ash...
>Hisuian Typhlosion ending up in Liko's possession, right after the leaks got dropped.That would imply two things:They KNOW what they are doingThey don't care about the leaksAnd they will fucking roll with it
>>56631629Anon, no?!?? Liko is 10!
>>56630593The reason I'm guessing is Sazae San, being episodic, is relatable to the nips's daily life.
>>56630315Source?
>>56631629>Hisuian Typhlosion ending up in Liko's possessionIs there a big difference between the two aside from the typing and if so, does it affect the breeding compability?
>>56631575For what it's worth I find BW okay - the rivals are some of my favorites in the whole series individually and as a group, the Don tournaments were all good conceptually and as a true "who will win" compared to >Ash, and I like the personalities of the pokemon themselves, even if they bloated Ash's team too much, and Iris the "Dragonmaster" is a complete embarassment of a team. My main issue with selling BW is that no matter how much you enjoy it, it just finds a way to disappoint you in ways that irritate the viewer compared to obvious middle fingers like Tobias or Burasto Burn.(I like Iris, but I'm still seething about her shitty annoying Dragonite she got instead of Hydreigon, or not evolving Axew to at least a middle evo which isn't even "ugly" like Prinplup)
>>56631671Made it up :D
>>56631601Yeah, strategy is obviously huge but even the best strategy will fall apart against >Eternatus (Goh said he'd get it back from Leon, and Leon doesn't seem like the type of person to gatekeep)>Regieleki (The fastest Pokémon in existence)>Suicune (defeated by net-sama but still incredibly powerful)>Cinderace (a Pokémon that has fought SEVEN legendaries)and of course>DewgongGoh isn't even a very good battler but he's scrappy sometimes. He'd mog Ash for sure but he might be a bigger threat than Lucia's, especially if he gets his super-sized Golurk under control and evolves The Lord into Gyattados
>>56631671The leaked slides posted earlier today.
>>56631518>Liko vs Ann will become a 3vs3 by next year.I liked the battle so them continuing it in a evolving manner is appropriate.
>>56631629>They KNOW what they are doingTo be fair, a lot of the early mythos are stuff that most of them are likely unaware of. It's a bunch of fluff that worldbuilders shit out to help themselves figure out what the lore is like, it's not something other people would really give a shit about.It's like, a graphics designer isn't reading through the game's code.
>>56631724Those were dropped ideas, anon.
>>56631739Anon, type in typhlosion in google search and click news. That leaked dstory is gonna hover over the head of both variants forever.
>>56631739>He thinks people will forget the considered lore of Typhlosion fucking a girl and being a father to a human babyNah man, it will always come up.
>>56631751>>56631768Yeah I know that, but if anyone gets a typhlosion in the nearish future then it's obviously something that was planned months ago and way before the leaks happened.If we see a typhlosion get paired up with a little girl in a year+ from now though, then yeah they know what they're doing lol
>>56631776>Leaks happened, next october shows Dot or Liko getting a Typhlosion>It grins at the camera in the last frame
>>56622180>this nigga seriously believed their would be riots from switching up the protagonist in their tv show mainly consumed by babies
>>56631776>>56631784PLS make h!plosion for liko real. PLWEEEASE
>>56631740No, these slides were newer and regarding upcoming arcs. Goh will return next year for a while. It's real.
>>56631790Never underestimate obsessed self inserters. An anime studio was already burnt down once because of a crazy neet.
>>56631790Ashonr was consumed by babies, the current anime is a lot more mature and has a more serious tone and subtext that make it good for all ages. It's doing crazy well with adults.
>>56631629Is that a possibility? I wouldn't mind that. Hisuian Typhlosion is cool, regardless of the leaks.
>>56631801Care to post them?
>>56631839They already do Kleavor, it's not out of the question to do another Hisuimon
>>56631718You could have the best strategy in the world and a team of fairly powerful pokemon, but it wouldn't matter in the face of a """strategy""" such as picrelated
>Liko's face when seeing that ghost typhlosion
>>56631840I'm sure someone has them saved but it is real.
>>56631941Are you fucking kidding me?
>>56631941>Doesn't post the sauce when pressedFAGGOT
>>56631955>>56631958Chill. It'll be out when it's out.
>>56632044From "leaked slides earlier today" to "It will be out when it's out? Faggot, there is only one rule: post the sauce or gtfo
>>56628695>the region of Paradox and timetraveling. I think sense is the last thing when they could hop into the past at any point or the idea that the Terapagos she was carrying around is ALSO the Terapagos from the DLC.Two bloodlusting little shits are too much for the Pokemon world to handle, Liko can't possibly contain the mayhem of the two
>>56632119I don't see why you're getting so riled up lol. The info is easy to find. I shouldn't have to spoonfeed you.
>>56632197Not him but you're bullshitting about the Goh stuff anyway.
>>56632205He's coming back.
>>56625696>this is a real frame from the series, just without lights in her eyesJesus christ something is wrong with Liko's head
>>56631911Liko, yamero.
>>56631629I will fucking kneel if that becomes a thing
>>56631236>topic of Hisuimons getting brought into the present through timetraveling chaos is what was a point of interest for Ann's Oshawott for it to become a hisuian Samurott, which creates a parallel with Liko's Sprigatito eventually becoming her Meowscarada.I would be OK with that
>>56628405Liko needs that Pokemon, it's a fucking goldmine
>>56632236Need a source buddy
>>56628099My heroes.
>>56631801>Goh will return next year for a while>for a whileIf it's real & it happens, I think Goh should stay for the rest of the Horizons Series at least, so that it is easier to gauge whether he can hold the next Series on his own.
Why do people here want Goh back so badly?
>>56633234Some Gohfag started lying about the Teraleak and because they lost their general to the flooding of the threads, they decided to come crawling back in here lmao.Until that one fag starts posting the leak that says he's back, it's just comedy to me.
>>56631672>Is there a big difference between the two aside from the typing and if so, does it affect the breeding compability?Ghostplosion has a unique move and is more versatile than Fireplosion's stats of copycating Charizard's.And the breeding potential stays the same.
>>56633234Because Goh is inherently better at catching mons for viewers to know more about Pokemon creatures he owns, which the current Horizons Series is sorely lacking.
>>56633367Liko is very adorable.
>>56633249The leak is real anon, you're the only one bent out of shape about this and you're the only one who apparently hasn't seen it. It's been posted multiple times. The rest of us already know thar Goh is coming back. I'm sorry, but.. it's real.
>>56633249I don't get it. Even in their short lives 12 posts was someone already finished going through the leaks. Are they seriously gonna trust everything here out of blind faith? Retards
>>56633378Post it instead of talking it exists if it's actually real.
>>56633378The leak is real, but they make no mention of Goh coming back as far as I can tell. If it was real, anons here would have been all over it and pointed it out.
>>56633419Exactly, the only thing out of the leak was the dumped concept of returning characters from the old anime which was already posted in /padt/ about 4 threads ago but that's also from a progression chart which claimed that the anime was only gonna be three chapters long, which by now is clearly not the case.
>>56633419>>56633452So basically that fucker is lying about the outdated concept?
>>56633400You want me to spoonfeed you and I keep telling you I won't. I don't need to. You can find it easily. Goh, whether you like it or not, is returning.
>>56633452So yeah, I have no idea why the Goh anon is so insistent on the leaks claiming he's coming back. If anything, what the leaks said from what I remember is that there was a possibility that Ash (and I think Goh and Koharu, but I'm not sure) could come back, but it was just a possibility and it's obviously been scrapped.
>>56633471>makes bold claim>refuses to give evidenceHave you ever heard of the burden of proof?>>56633462The leaks are of old drafts for the series. Some of the information may have still been used but others have clearly been changed since then (one notable example is the absence of Dot in the original drafts). We don't even know if the "Friede will betray the RVT" is still happening or not, or the timeskip.
Actually, someone please go through the slides already and see if Goh is mentioned in any of them, and if so, in what context. Just so that either way we can already shut up about it.
>>56633498>one notable example is the absence of Dot in the original draftsYeah the one where Quaxly was first only tossed between Liko and Roy. Would've been weird to do it in reality if they went through with the first concept if the first half of the original script are Roy-city with Liko coming second.
>>56633498I am unburdened, and I don't need to send anything to you. All that being said, when Goh returns for real, I'm not going to be spiteful to you. I hold nothing against you.
>>56633529I wonder if the "Roy was the original protagonist and not Liko" thing is part of the reason why, during the initial episodes, it actually seemed like it was Roy that was getting all the development and action while Liko was in the background. I remember people complaining about that when Horizons was new.
>>56633539I dare you to eat shit if Goh never returns.I still remember that one anon who insisted that Goh would not leave after Journeys and how I dared him to eat shit if he was wrong. He never did. I never forgot that.
>>56633565He is returning, but I would never eat shit nor would I want you to. Read the leaks soon though.
>>56633565That anon is acting exactly like those Gohwhales. Nobody cares about him or Ash anymore
>>56633514The first pdf about Verne/Horizons has two slides discussing the involvement of older characters.First one is discussing a timeframe of a few months after Journeys, which was scrapped because no explicit date related to any of the Journey events were mentioned in the anime. It also just discusses the reappearance of older characters, with the bottom right having a disclaimer that the characters in this slide are only for illustrations purposes. No Goh mentioned anywhere.
>>56633606What irks me is how he is insisting that Goh is coming back and is basing it on the leaks, but refuses to point out where in the leaks it happened. If he wasn't talking out of his ass, it would have been as simple as him bringing up the slide in question and encircling the relevant part, yet he can't even do that.Ashfags get a bad rep for being unable to move on from Ash, but he is acting like the Goh equivalent of them.
>>56633635Lmao it wasn't in those slides anon it was in the other set.
>>56633635Wasn't there a leak that claimed that an early concept for Horizons had Ash and Goh returning as recurring characters (but not as main characters)? Is that what you're referring to, or was that leak inaccurate?
>>56633650I have no vested interest in any of this, I'm just repeating what I read from the Japanese slides. He'll be back at some point in this series. It's already in motion.
>>56633677>I have no vested interest in any of thisI very much doubt it given that you are specifically singling out Goh and no one else.
>>56633691Again I really hope I'm not upsetting you, I am getting the sense that you're agitated. I'm just finding it interesting that they're deciding to bring Goh back of all characters. Not meaning to cause a rumble.
>>56633716Then why do you refuse, REFUSE, to give evidence to your claim then? You know that until you quit this song-and-dance and actually show your evidence, people will doubt you right? If anything, you're only making things worse for yourself by giving more ammunition to the skeptics.>Not meaning to cause a rumble.I am not buying it. Your hyper focus on Goh specifically, when the leaks didn't even single him out, is suspicious.
>>56633677You can't read nip
>>56633672I saw about those leaks and they don't have source too, just Gohschizos making shit up as always
Okay, so I just went through the slides posted earlier in the thread and only one, ONE, out of them mentioned Goh (>>56629135). Even then, it was in the context of how to retire him, as in how he and Koharu's last episode would go. Nothing about him coming back.It seems that our friend here is talking out of his ass if these new slides are what he was talking about and what he used as his basis for his claim that Goh is returning.
>>56633737I can see that this has escalated and IS pissing you off, so I'm sorry about that. I'm sticking to my guns on not spoonfeeding, but Goh will be back, as I said. I don't agree with you that I'm 'making things worse for myself'. I'm not bent out of shape over any of this, as I already know the facts and have read all I need to know. I could accuse you of being suspicious as well, as the confirmation of Goh's return seems to be specifically angering you, but again, I'm not your enemy and you're not mine. It's just a tv show. It'll come and go without being a huge problem. It'll be interesting to see. For now I'm done because you and I are both responsible for a bit of a traffic jam ITT. Have a good one bro
>>56633817Why you talk like a MCU character
>>56633635The second slide about the returning characters in the march pdf are in this outliner about the raw structure of the next three years. The original plan was at the end of the first year/chapter after all of the original six heroes were collected that Friede was supposed to betray them and the next year/chapter is spend with catching another set of Pokemon with various character appearances from the old anime. By now the deadline has been missed and no old character was returningAgain Goh is neither getting explicitly mentioned or singled out as a returning character. If that one retard wants to claim otherwise, he will have to post the raw image of the file that is supposedly claiming his return himself if he wants to convince anyone at this point. You get what you give.
>>56633833>makes claim>refuses to give evidence>leaves when people press him for evidenceWhat the fuck is his deal?>>56633817You still haven't explained why you care so much about Goh specifically.
>>56633176That'd be huge, I wanted a Go-only followup. His episodes were the only soulful part of that series
>>56633833Just ignore them. You can check the threads before Mezase and Horizons were announced and Gohfags said the exactly the same things with the same attitude. Idk why they do it and why they are still here
Seriously: what the fuck is this guy's deal?>>56633833Why do you think does he refuse to give proof? Why do you think does he keep deflecting? Why do you think he keeps denying he's a Gohfag?
It's such a shame that Goh's retirement coincidence with the announcement that Ash was being retired, because if it weren't for that, the meltdown from the Goh fans insisting he wasn't leaving, or that he was too special to be just used for one series, would have been glorious.
>>56633889Why are you so upset about him anon? You're the only reason he keeps it up. Just chill the fuck out. It's obviously a troll.
I love how Sugimori was like "fuck Goh and Koharu"
>>56633962People like him (people insisting on making claims without giving hard evidence), or obvious liars, just irk me a lot (this is in general and not specifically about here).>>56633962The problem is that even the Goh general is believing him.
>>56633964Brock and Misty always had priority.
>>56633907Why are you making scenarios in your head to get angry about?
>>56633992>Why the fuck did they printed down my face everywhere?
>>56633992Liko and Roy bullied Dot into going outside again D:
>>56633984Anon no offense but you seem really autistic. It shouldn't be that easy for Gohfags to get a rise out of you. If you're even checking their general to get mad at them there, you gotta face that you've got a weird hangup with Goh, a retired character. Next time someone brings up Goh, please just shut the fuck up and stop feeding trolls
>>56634006tbf they were pretty smug about him staying. Never understood why because Goh's character was hold by tape and paper clips at the end of the show and the staff was obviously done with him, which is why Project Mew was so rushed
>>56634075>they were pretty smug about him stayingPretty much. They were saying that there was no way he was going to be retired because "he's an OC!", "he's a co-protagonist!", or "he was designed by Sugimori!", the fact that Tracey and Max (OCs) and Dawn (co-protagonists) existed. They even claimed that Cinderace becoming a JFA mascot was a sign that he was sticking around. When those fake leaks circulated claiming he was staying for the SV anime came out (this was before Horizons was revealed) they believed them immediately. Then of course, everything blew up on their faces.>which is why Project Mew was so rushedInterviews confirm it wasn't even planned originally.
>>56634075>being mad about smug Gohfags almost two years laterDude. Why are you mad at them? You won.
>>56633992Cute
>>56634075Almost every pokegirl fan trough the same about their favorite character. You are butthurt about him being Ash last companion.
>>56634176>You are butthurt about him being Ash last companion.Misty and Brock
>>56633992This is adorable, I love Dot.>>56634126Seems like that period of time really haunted you.
Who is more autistic, a Goh fan or a Goh hater? I'm genuinely not sure.
>>56634224The Goh thread
If someone isn't providing shit for their claim, just call them a faggot and move on. If they keep it up for more than a few hours, filter the name of their fucktoy and go on with something else.And just to let you faggots know, the mods are slowly cracking down shittalking between certain groups. XY vs SM? Getting nuked on both sides. Just ignore each other or else you're just asking for it. That includes "upsetting you lmao" or other variants. Drag it out I dare you. Otherwise knock it off.
>>56634224You
>>56631426They'd never have him use his powerhouses. It'd be Grookey.
>>56623419>incestfreak LikoMakes Lucca sadistically gleeful
>>56633964He is the most based employee at GF. I like how calls the movie 24 writers out for focusing too much on the human characters.
>>56634224The fencesitter.
>>56633964In General I'm surprised by how involved Sugimori is at stuff unrelated to art direction. He's present in a lot of the decision-making. It seems like after Masuda moved on from the company he and Ohmori basically became "Masuda 1 and 2"
Any chance of DotLiko, if even implied?
>>56623012>Seems like the photo at the end of the opening will change every week.Holy soul. I love Horizons.
>>56633862Goh should be a Professor for Liko & Roy as a surprise time skip.
>>56635478The leaks outright said no shipping hints whatsoever
>>56634712Why do you hate Lucca?
>>56636243I dont
>>56636263>>56636263>>56636263
>>56633963Ash looks good, but there's something off about Pikachu.
>>56634126>he's a co-protagonist!Yes?
