>All plates are giant corpses>All giants were 1 type>All known plates in arceus are held by pokemon controlled by Giratina or Arceus>The only never before seen plate is the Blank Plate (normal type) held by the Normal Type "Giant Pokemon" Regigigas.>Regigigas reacts TO THE PLATES in Arceus Legends, meaning he senses its the corpses of his fallen brother>The "King" of the "legendary giants" group.>Name translates in Latin to "King of Giants">Only pokemon in the game to specifically have an ability in Slow StartThe Flame/Earth plate in game prove that the cosmic egg and giants story is the basis for the in-game lore. The use of Giant(S) plural means the other stories where there was only 1 giant aren't what got implemented into the final lore along with reinforcement that the plates are definitively made from those shards of the cosmic egg, just like the giants.
How could he possibly attack Arceus at birth, when the start of the universe is turn 1?
>>56634120The point of the argument is that the universe specifically didn't start at turn 1 though.
>>56634120the writer wanted to pull off a titanomachia kind of thing, with the current, newer god ascending to the top of the pantheon by beating the previous ones, but this doesn't really fit with the "arceus creator of everything" theme
Regigigas also reacted to an ice cream cone
There's a document saying the giants are not Pokemon.Boom.Done.
>>56634208>implying regigigas didn't get bullied and cursed into being weakened enough to be a pokemon>UB's are also not pokemon but can still get pokeball'd and all the other shit>fucking arceus can get pokeball'd and treated like a pokemonYour argument has holes in it.
>>56634208i don't understand why this is the final straw for "regigigas isn't a giant" fagsdialga and palkia were created before the concept of pokemon came into play as well since dialga is supposed to represent pokemon and palkia humansit's entirely plausible that arceus hated regi so much he just got the nerf bat and rammed him until he was puny enough and then cursed him with slow start
>>56634120Regigigas got cursed with Slow Start after Arceus won the rematch, so he would never be able to spawn camp ever again
>>56634294Pretty sure those fags are actually trolling and probably legitimately retarded, more evidence clearly points to this shit being regi's being the titans.
>>56634208Pokémon did not exist in the beginning. Humans and Pokémon were one.
>>56634120Are you sure turns existed back then? Time wasn't a thing
>>56634120Universe didn't actually start with Arceus.
>>56634390Thank you for confirming you are actually retarded and unable to read shit, please fuck off back to the shithole you came from.
>>56634120How do we know turns existed back then?
>>56634208Thats not the one that ended up being the basis for the lore.Specifically the one that mentions multiple giants being the product of the cosmic egg shell is the only one that actually got put into the final lore of the game and is the actual missing lore that connects the Flame/Earth plate. All the others have no basis in what we see in the final game. Regigigas is shown multiple times to be connected to the plates in the latest game along with the regis entire theme being around giants. >BUH-BUH-BUH ARCEUS BECAME A WOMAN IN THIS ORIGIN AND-Nothing in the game reflects that. But the game directly reflects one specific origin story, and that origin story in tandem with how Regigigas is in Arceus Legends (which them expanding on these original myths from gen 4) shows that he is one of those giants, defeated, cursed, and holding his own plate as the normal type giant.
>>56634294>dialga is supposed to represent pokemon and palkia humansNot disagreeing with you but I don't remember this being mentionned, is it from PLA?
>>56634442>Arceus Legends shows (fanfiction, headcanon, schizo babble)
>>56634445it's version 1 of the creation myth draft, the one which says the eggshells become the giants and the one that has quite a few elements currently in the game if we go by the PLA plates>The children of god who resembled the great father, IA, would be called “Pokémon”. The children of god who resembled the great mother, EA, were called “humans”.
>>56634208that document is scrapped. In the final version titans are pokemon
Gigas-DENIERS will give Regi the respect he is due in time.Gigas completely DOMINATED Arceus in the Before Times and probably hatefucked Giratina into existence, taking Arceus’ seed long before any filthy humans could. Gigas TAINTED Arceus so that never again should she have a “first,” and Arceus resents him for it, but is unable to kill him because she is an impotent woman and Gigas is just that much of a chad.
>>56634515>He didn't play the game>He didn't realize that only the plates can rouse Regigigas from his sleep in the game>He didn't realize only Regigigas and Arceus have abilities in a game where there are no abilities>He didn't realize that Regigigas is the only Plate holder not controlled by Giratina or Arceus>He didn't realize the lost forbidden Blank Plate, part of a normal type giant, was being held by Regigigas, the Normal Type "Giant Pokemon" in Japanese. Come back when you play the games, then you can talk about the lore.
Footnotes on that myth specifically state they're NOT pokémon, The Regis are pokémon.They're the embodiments of the Types given form, their defeat saw their essence infuse Arceus' world with the powers for Pokémon and allowed Her to absorb the power of every type (It's shards became this Plate/The Power of defeated giants infuses this Plate). That L: A added the Blank Plate, a Plate imbued with the power of Normal Typing and the Legend Plate (an ACTUAL contender for a shard of Arceus' shell, considering It is the only pokémon to possess it), which allows Arceus to change type in response to the threat in front of it seems to back that up more than "hurr big ting do ting bekuze hoenbabs rool".
>>56634515Nothing that anon said was headcanon or fanfiction. You don't get to have an opinion on games you clearly didn't play.
>>56634582Didn’t read. Stop playing semantics, Gigas is one of the eggshell giants, there’s literally so much supporting proof that you have to specifically blind yourself and flail your arms like a sperg to ignore it.>But-End of discussion, The Regi-reign will continue.
>>56634109That means the other giants have other names that end in gigas as well
>Regigigas is trying to recreate all the original regis because he wants to kick Arceus' ass once more
>>56634582nobody is saying any of the other regis are the giants. They are literally specifically said in lore to have been CREATED by regigigas. It's that regigigas is the last of the surviving giants that jumped arceus, and the regis were likely created with the same namesake and designs as the giants were
>>56634553>He didn't realize that only the plates can rouse Regigigas from his sleep in the gameThe other regis can also rouse Regigigas from his sleep, it's just that they didn't feature in PLA so they used the plates instead.>He didn't realize only Regigigas and Arceus have abilities in a game where there are no abilitiesCherrim still has its ability.>He didn't realize that Regigigas is the only Plate holder not controlled by Giratina or ArceusAll Pokemon are controlled by Arceus. And other plates are held by non-noble Pokemon anyway.>He didn't realize the lost forbidden Blank Plate, part of a normal type giant, was being held by Regigigas, the Normal Type "Giant Pokemon" in Japanese.The blank plate was being guarded by Regigigas, just like the other plates were guarded by other Pokemon. And "Giant" just means something that is large. It's not an exclusive species name like you seem to think it is.Your shitty headcanon will never be real.
>>56634680Anon that faggot is trolling, he's just gonna continue shitting all over the board with his gay headcanon and flailing about in how retarded he is.
>>56634294>i don't understand why this is the final straw for "regigigas isn't a giant" fagsIts something. Which is more than any Regigigasfag has presented so far.
>>56634663It’s a relatively happy ending for Gigas because yes, Gigas is effectively a prisoner in an existence he didn’t desire and ultimately lost the fight for, but his shift from reacting to the plates to reacting to his children shows that he is learning why Arceus loved her children and creating others so. Gigas is like an estranged brother.
>>56634582>footnote on that mythNope, you can't read. the only statement of giants not being pokemon is on a different origin myth. You are foolishly believing that an unused, unrelated concept is canon.When we have the actual game to confirm which parts actually were incorporated into the actual canon. You're a fool and a Regi-denier. And even if that footnote from concept ideas was true (isn't) then Palkia are not a pokemon, because those footnotes explicitly say that Arceus, Palkia, and humans are different from Dialga and pokemon
I don't know why Regibros want him to be one of the eggshell Giants, they just straight up lost to Arceus when he was a baby Regigigas being one of the Giants isn't the win you think it is, his circle is smaller
>>56634109When did Pokemon lore get so retarded
>>56634708Who are you? I don’t care for your agreeance.
>>56634708this but 100% unironically
>>56634708You are full of shit, you literally haven't read fuck all about anything in the thread and just wanted to shit on that side of the argument. Your bad faith bullshit post deserves to be shat on.
>>56634749you're so cool for not caring, the less you care the cooler you are, at an exchange rate of 1 not care = 1 cool
>>56634803A-anon-chan...I-I love you.
>>56634740It’s a win because it puts Gigas’ full might on the level of the fucking creator deity, dumbass. Gigas is also clearly still alive and well, just severely weakened after repeated attempts to get him docile by Arceus. It is a MASSIVE win because it shows that Gigas fought Arceus’ fullest power and not only lived to tell the tale, he had to be cursed, whipped, punished, and then given his own house to sleep in because Arceus was shitting themselves so hard over what Gigas could do to existence.
>>56634703No I'm not, there's elements of Greek mythology in how they established the pokémon pantheon, each Legendary Pokémon a minor God, all in service to the Alpha, Zrceus battle with formless Titans mirroring Zeus' battles with the Titans to establish teh Olymipan Pantheon, the lore about the power of defeated giants infusing the Plates a reference to Prometheus sharing fire stolen from Mt. Olympus with humans and all baked into a creation myth trying to autistically explain the origins of the pokémon world, from how time and space started to how pokémon gained their Typings.
>>56634740Waking up and throwing hands with god is based.
>giants aren’t pokemon Well scooby dooby doo. They predate Dialga who is what made "pokemon" a category. The concept of "a pokemon" didn’t exist when the giants were born
>>56634740He fought God for forcing him to exist, but for that moment, he truly lived. Can any other pokemon say the same?
>>56634109How does his ability being Slow Start matter?
>>56634738No, you're autistically shoving your hoennnig desperation for your shitty trio to be anything but a minor set of shitters.And you're ignoring Regidraco is made of crystalised Dragon energy, proving a giant being oif pure elemental energy IS Possible and regidad decided to make an homage to the Titans of lore with dragoson.
>>56634856>It’s a win because it puts Gigas’ full might on the level of the fucking creator deity, dumbass.He lost, stupid. He's clearly not on the same level.
>>56634908Its not an actual ability, but a curse by Arceus for his transgression. This is proven in Legends Arceus when only Arceus and Regigigas actually have abilities (Multitype and Slow Start) while no other pokemon does. Likewise his task of towing the continents together was probably a punishment put on him by Arceus as well, but that part is just speculation.
>>56634943Actually, not only did he lose but his whole squad did too lmaoMultiple full power Regigigas lost to Arceus who was a babyIt's the biggest L imaginable if you buy into this theory
>>56634120Turns didn't exist before Arceus created Dialga, the god of time (god of turns.)
>>56634960>This is proven in Legends Arceus when only Arceus and Regigigas actually have abilities (Multitype and Slow Start) while no other pokemon does.BEHOLD THE LOST POKEGOD CONNECTED ENOUGH TO ARCEUS TO RETAIN ITS ABILITY!!!!!
>>56635004>d-doesn't count!
>>56634925You’re desperate attempt to shit on the Regis aside, how did Gigas gain knowledge of how to make Type Energy beings?It can’t have been from Arceus, who would not desire to risk their return, nor would they desire a memorial to those who attacked her. That argument loops into logical support.
So are there Regis (Or Proto-Regis/Giants I guess) of every type after all?
>>56634943>>56634967>He lost so hard he had to have his power be limited and given a temple to crash inIf we’re pivoting to this argument, then at least you admit Gigas is a titan.
>>56635045There were.They’re all ded
>>56635080I'm operating under the assumption that your theory is correct and he is one of the eggshell giants, which I don't actually believe btwBut yeah, he lost nigga. Cope. Your boy and his homies got turbo fucked.
>>56634167Wasn't there also the Gigantomachia where the stronger Giants tried to overthrow the Gods, but were stopped by their superior wits?
>>56635031He didn't, the Titans of elements existed in the chaos, keeping the power of their energies to themselves. Arceus egg formed and hatched and they immediately set upon it, recognising it as a threat. Arceus cast down the giants, shattering their bodies infusing the world with their energy allowing all pokémon to recieve their energies with some of it coalescing in Plates (items which boost the power of Types and allow the Alpha to imbue Herself with the power of that Type) which were eventually tasked to Legendary Pokémon and the emissaries by Arceus, first as a trial for the Ancient hero, then as a key to Her Champion meeting Her. Even the Legend plate, a Plate only given out by Arceus could be a shard of Her egg, a piece of detritus left over from the initial battle where She subdued the forces of Chaos to being Creation, imbued with the powers of all Types which allow her to change form at will depending on Her needs.Or yeah, it's le funni jigsaw man-thing, but you lot do you.
>>56635045yea those niggas are dead tho
>>56634442Perhaps Arceus' human-mix children aren't Dialga or Palkia but more notable humansAlso UBs technically aren't pokèmon either, that doesn't mean that we can't catch them anyway
>the dead regis from pokemon clover are the original giants who were killed by Arceus Cloverbros we won
WHERE THE FUCK DOES IT SAY THEY WERE THE COSMIC EGG EGGSHELLS.WHERE THE FUCK DOES IT SAY ARCEUS EVOLVED WHILE FIGHTNG THE REGIS.SHOW ME SOME FUCKING PROOF.
>>56634168Who wouldnt?
>>56635200UB are pokemon, just from lightyears away in the universe, the game literally tells you the distance from Earth. English translation of "Worlds" and "dimensions" doesn't change what is real. All UB live in our universe and are pokemon that just thrived in their respective corners of existence. You just need a wormhole to reach them. But that is why there are multiple planets that basically only have 1 pokemon, they are the only ones to actually evolve, adapt, and survive on those planets. Except Guzzlord, he seems to planet hop.
>>56635200There was a Sugi interview in the SM guidebook, I think. He outright says they are just pokémon. You may be mixing them up with legendaries, as officially UB's aren't classed as Legendaries, despite having legend-tier stats.
>>56635295I thought Guzzy was supposed to live in a far-future Alola, was that not the implication of the ruins of its world, no?
anyone have the text dump that explains this?i saw it posted here but didn't save the image
>>56634208but it was a time long ago when the difference between humans and pokemon were unclear
>>56635004Cherrim's form change has nothing to do with an ability
>>56635295>All UB live in our universe and are pokemon that just thrived in their respective corners of existenceThey live in other universes, look up bubble universe.Them being spatially distant is also coherent with Palkia being the 空間 deity, which entails both our notion of space and other dimensions. Cynthia herself describes it as such in the mistri stage.
>>56635400Incorrect, Flower Gift originally didn't change the form but from gen V on it does.
>>56635004PLA Arceus doesn't have multiype, the plates's effect is changing Arceus's form(and subsequently, the type. Which is why they had to make a normal plate.
>>56635433ah my bad, i was remembering the gen 4 description
>>56634208Then why does it go inside a ball?
>>56634120Time wasn't a thing when Arceus came to be. It only started to run after she created Dialga, which was after the battle against the Giants was over.
>>56635329There is no text dump that is specifically linked to that image. There are various drafts of the creation myth that references many Pokemon in that image, but there's still some inconsistencies (the text mentions Snorlax instead of Gyarados). And none of the creation myths mention any of the Pokemon on the outer ring (including Ho-Oh, Lugia and Regigigas).
>>56634888My level 1 Aron with shell bell would have beat God.
>>56634109>in Arceus LegendsAny canon sources?
>>56635385It said pokémon could shapeshift humans. And ditto are sex pests.
>>56635441Using the Plate changes Its Type via Multitype anon. that's why the Legend Plate allows it to use ANY type.
>>56635295UBs are from different universes. Guzzlord specifically is from a bad end Alola and the wormholes also spit out versions of the evil team leaders from universes where they won. Cyrus even uses a different Dialga/Palkia to the one we can capture in the games.
>>56635004read my lips: NOT AN ABILITYLegends Arceus takes place before pokemon developed abilities. Abomasnow doesn't cause a snowstorm nor does Zoroark take the form of other pokemon.Game is meant to be pre-Fire Red / Leaf Green.
>>56634109The lore was scrapped so its not canonPokemon lore in general is shit they gave up around gen 6 with multiple timelines or whatever
>>56635907Certain Lore is confirmed in the game. That Lore is actually true.
>>56635566do you have translation of any of the drafts?
>>56635897>read my lips: NOT AN ABILITYretconned in gen 5>Legends Arceus takes place [FANFICTION]tell me in the games where it's stated that abilities were "developed"pokemon in PLA don't have abilities because they simplified the battle system, it's not meant to be diegetic>>56635441>PLA Arceus doesn't have multitype, it just has multitypecongrats for winning the "retard of the day" award
>>56635927Not any of the Regigigas fighting stuff there is not much lore on them. In general Pokemon lore is not very good and like I said around gen 6-7 they totally jumped the shark with multiple timelines aliens and other shit
>>56635972Good thing this game takes place before Gen 5 so that is true.
>>56634109>Irrefutable Proofkys regitard lmao
>>56634740>I don't know why Regibros want him to be one of the eggshell Giants, they just straight up lost to Arceus when he was a babyregitroons are mentally illthey spam the same unfunny memes for years, YEARS
It appears Regigigas’ superiority has led to some controversy.
>>56636124>Good thing this game takes place before Gen 5?
>>56634740It puts the regis above nearly all pokemon, only losing the creation, lake and possibly the weather trios.
>>56636124It takes place before Gen 6 and it has the Fairy type. it by definition takes place before gen 4 and yet it has the physical/special split. It takes place before gen 1 even, and yet the Special stats are separated.boy you didn't think that one through did you
>>56635972Its not an ability by name or action. The game literally has 2 different pokemon with different base stats for Cherrim depending on the time of day. Cherrim Sunshine is swapped out from Cherrim Overcast when there is sun by the game's mechanics, not by the pokemon's abilities.Whereas the innate ability of Arceus to change type with plates or more specifically anything with the legend plate is one of the pokemon's specific encoded abilities and likewise Regigigas is coded to have the slow start ability. Cherrim is just functioning as it always it in Gen IV
>>56636204>Gen 1 Game's timeline start with Leaf-green/Fire Red. R/B/Y and G/S/C aren't canon to the main timeline.
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>>56636189HG/SS confirm with the Sinjoh ruins that Cyndaquil came from Hisui. The same is likely for Rowlet and Oshawott.
>>56636273This nigga didn't even play the game, Laventon brought the starters from outside of Hisui.Dumbass.
>>56635953https://tcrf.net/Development:Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl/Documents
>>56636269>Giant's bed>Where all the regis are at>There is literally a den with a dynamaxed Regigigas
>>56634553Man PLA has cool lore but I just can't be arsed to catch 15 of every pokemon and watch all of them do their [[basic move]] 35 times.The progression system in PLA sucks ass.
>>56635883>Cyrus even uses a different Dialga/Palkia to the one we can capture in the gamesExplain.
>>56636800Multiversal shenanigans
>>56635329Who the FUCK is Gordon?
>>56635646>God used Wil-o-Wisp!
>>56636211ThisCherrim's form change is more like Shedinja having 1 HP.Wonder Guard does not make a pokemon have 1 HP, and Flower Gift does not cause form changes, these are inherent qualities to the pokemon.
>>56634442Legends supports the Giratina version of the myth too though.
>>56634551>>56634663You know the point of the story is that Arceus killed the giant(s)? Regigigas got his ass kicked
>>56634738No the footnote is on the egg shell giants myth. There's a version that doesn't have the footnote and a version that does
>>56634888Yeah, the alter ego that Arceus created that Arceus was unable to defeat
>>56636247cool, now explain the other two
>>56637169>They’ve pivoted from “Gigas isn’t a giant” to “W-Well he still l-lost!”Kek, believe we’re done here Regibros.
To all Gigas deniers I have a couple questions.>What is implication?>What is environmental story telling?>What is a "High Context" culture aka japanese culture?Please and thank you.
>>56636826It's a universe where he won, there are several universes going on where the evil leaders never gained power, ones where Champions stopped their plots, ones where the chosen kid did but earlier or in a different way to how we did and ones where they lost to the legendary and got neutalised. The fact the Hoenn Leaders' texts imply they won and the world started to decay around them (Groudon drying out the world/Kyogre drowning everything) shows they're just AU events, like meeting the legends outside their canon regions are AU, despite being included in almost every rehash/DLC or remake since moving to DS.
>>56636211>Cherrim Sunshine is swapped out from Cherrim Overcast when there is sun by the game's mechanics, not by the pokemon's abilities.except that hasn't been true for over a decade>b-but that's gen 5 and this is a gen 4 game>>56636204>Whereas the innate ability of Arceus to change type with plates or more specifically anything with the legend plate is one of the pokemon's specific encoded abilitiesfrom Bulbapedia:>Multitype changes the form and type of a Pokémon with this Ability depending on the Plate attached.>When a Pokémon transforms into Arceus, it becomes the same form and type as the target Arceus. If the transformed Pokémon is holding a Plate that is different from the target's held Plate, it then immediately changes to the form and type corresponding to that Plate; if it is not holding a Plate, it immediately changes to Normal Arceus (unless it transformed into Normal Arceus).it's important to note that this, unlike Flower Gift, was already dependent on Multitype in gen 4
the giratina version of the myth is the best one
Regardless of what is stated or not, nothing is more badass than the idea of Gigas beating the shit out of a woman just because she isn’t toeing the line. It’s even better if you imagine that Giygas hatefucked Arceus and had her pop out Giratina before banishing her to the planet of humans so the rest of the myth can take place.For that alone, I kneel to TITAN gigas.
>>56637289there's a difference between believing the egg shell giants were the regis, and believing they're chads who defeated arceus, and whatever other headcanons people have, like this guy>>56637426
>>56637329Personally, I'm going off the "Arceus was beset by multiple titans on emerging from Her Egg" myth (the ones with footnotes stating they are NOT pokémon) and once you look at it that way, it's an explanation for how the pokémon world was infused with elemental energy (the Tittans were embodiments of the Types, withholding their powers from the universe, the most powerful forces in the Chaos). That humanity's creation myths have several stories of gods being robbed of their treasures to be shared with the world and the further lore on Plates seemingly to support that viewpoint as well as Arceus' mastery over all Types, I disbelieve the regis have anything to do with anything, because they're but lower-order servants in the Pantheon. Bit strange for it to be a Creation-level deity that got perma-nerfed, when they already added a pokémon to get perma-nerfed as a Creation-level deity and shoved gigas away in a corner of the world, away from the centre of Creation.
>regigigas is literally an antinatalistpathetic
STOP CONFLATING THE DIFFERENT DRAFTS OF THE CREATION MYTH HOLY SHIT, THE VERSION THAT HAS ARCEUS FUCKING A HUMAN IS THE VERSION THAT DOESNT HAVE THE EGG IN IT AT ALL
>>56637466They are chads, they fist fought pokegod just for being a whore.
>>56634109Γίγας=Gigas literally is the Greek word for giant.
>>56637615no they literally did it because they were afraid of being born
>>56637632Exactly. They bitch slapped that whore because she made a decision to shatter total bliss and harmony for an entire reality. Because she’s a woman and doesn’t know any better.
>>56637541These niggers are fucking retards, what else do you expect? Anywho, I like the one where it's implied regiCHAD received eternal punishment, as it seems the closest to what we actually got given Legends lore and also makes the most sense.
>>56636964Garchomp, probably.
I don't believe that this story should be taken so literally. It's the parallel with the Titanomachy and later with the Gigantomachy, where Zeus and the Olympian gods defeated the older gods, the Titans, and their children the Giants, and prevailed. I don't think that Arceus literally fought with Regigigas, but rather that Regigigas is a remnant of the giants that Arceus defeated, in today's Pokémon world. However, it's clear that the reference to Regigigas points to the Giants that were defeated by Arceus.
>>56638057How is gaburias related to gordon? They start with a g? Kek
>>56638097Or maybe not a remnant but a descent of the defeated giants.
>>56638129* descendant
>There is one Hisuian verse that tells of a powerful light creating a deep shadow. I imagine that this deep shadow is Giratina.
>>56638184>Gigas despised Arceus so much he raped her and spawned a mixed baby to rampage eternally, forever tainting her with baggageBased.
>>56634856See: >>56635329. The circle puts him on the same level as Lugia and Ho-oh. Unless they're also on the level of Arceus, Regigas isn't one of them. He might have some kind of connection, like Gigas somehow coming into existence because of the plates, but that's about it.
>>56638488>regifags just spouting random ass NTR nonsense not anywhere in the leaks
>>56634167Before Arceus created Dialga there was no time. Things could happen out of order and simultaneously.
>>56634442>ARCEUS BECAME A WOMAN IN THIS ORIGINhot
>>56636964>Who the FUCK is Gordon?Garchomp - both it and Groudon are Ground
>>56634553>>He didn't realize only Regigigas and Arceus have abilities in a game where there are no abilitiesCherrim has one too.
>>56638184There is an Anti-Arceus Pokemon that will be revealed in gen 10.
>>56637426Arceus won even as a baby, retard. Arceus is the undisputed strongest being in pokemon, it can do whatever it wantsand the regijobbers werent those giants anyway, they are unimportant randos that came later
Starting to think that the Regitroons are likely just incels, hence them always seething about that (non canon) myth where Arceus turned into a woman and had sexThat would explain all their mentally ill spam
>>56637421>>56638184>pokesatan againIn all Pokemon media priar to PLA Giratina was portrayed as a friendly giant that helps Pokemon and humans and gets rid of problems like Cyrus despite the 666 connection, the renegade name and the Platinum pokedex entry.
>All this seetheIt’s funny to watch you all squirm and bicker.
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>>56638658Keep in mind there's a ground, sea, sky thing going on with rayquaza's pseudos so the other two might not be ground type.
>>56638746>Arceus turned into a woman and had sexWhat?
>>56638777Millions of years of conflict and imprisonment will do that to you.
>>56638777PLA explains this though, Giratina changed his mind and mellowed out. I think the leaked myth about Giratina being the essential destroyer needed to create life, but going too far in his assigned purpose is pretty kino. It makes both his violence and banishment understandable
>>56638777Most Pokémon aren't bad. Even Darkrai is presented as being ultimately good. Mythniggers need the rope
>>56638531>The circle puts him on the same level as Lugia and Ho-oh. Unless they're also on the level of Arceus, Regigas isn't one of themthis, Memegigas is just a some big golem thats physically strongBeing on the level of Lugia or so makes sense for it. All of the Earths legendaries are far below the power level of the cosmics/gods, much less Arceus
>>56638746Regis are antinatalism. Gigas is supposed to be the complete opposite of Arceus, one wants life and birth while the other wants to become inert nothingness. Boiling it down to being an Incel is stupid.
>>56638842One of the stories said that Arceus got injured fighting the giants and became a human. A man cared for her and had children that would become Palkia and Dialga. The man dies fighting the giants and becomes the lake spirits
>>56638845Doesn't the pokedex entry mention that Giratina appears on old cemeteries?It's a reference to Turnback Cave but I interpreted it as Giratina being some kind of grim reaper bringing souls to the afterlife or some demon trying to steal souls before Platinum came out.
So does Arceus even remember Regigigas at this point or has she taken too many miles of human dick and gotten concussed by her head slamming the headboard too many times and forgot him.
>>56638989>A man cared for her and had children that would become Palkia and DialgaWhere the hell did that men come from?How did humans already exist before time and space existed?Why did he have monster children?
>>56638952"Bro, I am literally an inert entity, why the fuck did you make me sentient and alive?">Proceeds to beat God with his 17 brothers
>>56638993Yes. With the new myth, I think it could legit be his own grave, since he straight up died and was mourned by his brothers
>>56639047Turnback Cave being a portal to the underworld, the afterlife makes more sense than the whole distortion world thing.
>>56638952>Gigas is supposed to be the complete opposite of Arceusliteral mentally ill regitroon fanficits a meme legendary with a shitty abilityits not important at all and never was
>>56639047>mourned by his brothersPalkia and Dialga or giants or what?
>>56639015>because>because>because Arceus willed the man to make Her pregnant
>>56639107Palkia and Dialga, they're explicitly his brothers in this story
>>56639139Rayquaza, Groudon and Kyogre were born from Giratina?
>>56639015In some versions people and pokemon were in the egg with Arceus >>56639084They were one entity, an egg that was neither living nor dead. The hatching of the egg split them into two beings with opposing motives. They even use a similar color scheme.
>>56639202>The titan, as a part of me, cannot be killed by me
>>56639202no, its just Arceus, a single absolute God. Its shell became 17 or 18 "giant" things that were all killed, the endRegigigas has nothing to do with any of that and didnt even exist back then
>>56639139You all really need to make sure you actually specify WHICH origin myth version you're talking about. pmyth01 pmyth01.1pmyth02pmyth03pmyth04pmyth05.1pmyth05.2 pmyth05.2(Aus)pmyth05.3
>>56639190In this version yeah. There's other origins for them, like being born from Dialga and Palkia, or being born from the nose of the egg shell giant
>>56639190NTA but given that there are versions of the story where Ea and Ia only really take on their current form AFTER all this shit and people have fucked up enough to upset them/Ausu I'd say yeah. And the Giratina we see is literally a ghost/shell of the original being of Giratina.
Personally, I'm on the side of>Regigigas is a Giant, who fought Arceus at the dawn of creation with their 17 minimum siblings. >Giants got their shit pushed in, and turned into the Plates.>There may be survivors and remnants out there, but none have retained their full powers.>Regigigas may be one of them, cursed with Slow Start.>Perhaps there are other candidates who got adapted in, like Eternatus who exists as just the shattered arm bones of a full Giant.
Regigigas's true form will be called Regigod
>>56639267Regigigas is just a legendary "giant" pokemon that creates "legendary giants", holds the forbidden giant plate corresponding to the normal type, and for some reason in the story of Arceus Legends, senses and responds to the plates.Completely unrelated dude when it comes to the whole giants and plates lore.
>>56639296Can you confirm the dates if possible? It looks like several different versions of the myth were actually written on the same day, including the original arceus egg draft, the humanfucking, and the giratina story
>>56639341You could always argue that them being golems implies that they were made in the image of the giants but not the giants themselves. Gigas is still in the pantheon image though.
>You can find a bunch of plates in the underground in DPP because the dead bodies of the regi clan are all buried deep under the region and have wasted away since
>>56639341Yet wasn't mentioned by placeholder name in the concept texts, the way Ia, Ea and Aus, or Dialga, Palkia and Arceus were.
>>56639401Giratina isn't mentioned either. Both of them likely came later in development
>>56639443they didnt have a name for giratina, but they did have a general idea pretty early on for a third member of the dialga and palkia trio
>>56639401Ia, Ea, and Aus are different from Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus. 4 of the stories say that Dialga and palkia came to earth "taking on the form of dragon pokemon." This means that the pokemon that embody them aren't the gods themselves, seeing how pokemon are just the descendants of Dialga only.Same way Arceus gives you a "fraction" of himself at the end of Arceus Legends and you obtain an Arceus. Its a fraction of Aus.
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>>56639495Is this why Masuda responded to that tweet telling us that Arceus isn't god/a god? Because Arceus is just a minor manifestation of Aus and he knew that the whole time?
>>56639495No they're not, they're the beings that gave rise to them. That Giratina seems tacked onto these three, that Arceus emerged from the egg and created Dia/Pal to establish space-time has remained since being released in Gen 4 proves the beings conceived as light and time, morphed to become space and time and the establishment of the universe, with the light repurposed for Arceus, the One Above All.
>>56634109WRONG. Regigigas is my husband and lives with me in my house
>>56639525yes this is confirmed in the leaked lore. Aus = God of creationArceus = his avatarIa = God of Space/LightPalkia = His AvatarEa = God of TimeDialga = Her AvatarHowever if we are being honest, all the male-female stuff seems to have been retconned into Latios and Latias, so the creation pokemon have no gender.
>>56639570i find it pretty interesting how dialga and palkia's design seem to have been conceived pretty early on, but whether they were time and space, time and light, light and darkness, etc. changed several times. their names seem to switched too. there's a heavy moon and sun motif in some versions too
>>56639366i'm going by file name, not date
>>56639599one of the origin stories conveys that palkia scorched the earth an unending sun and diagla froze it with an endless moon.
>>56639651Yeah that one has Sinnoh be split into east and west, with Dialga and Palkia being each side's guardian. One is a village, and the other is from the forest. They totally reused this for PLA
>>56639570Aus was retconned to Arceus the God and Arceus the Pokémon avatar in L: A. It may have been the going theory by time of DP's release per Game Freak, but L: A made it explicit.
It really does make a lot of sense why Regigigas shares the same typing and color scheme now. Traditionally, Man brings harmony while Woman brings chaos. The egg took the path of resistance by being born as Arceus, and was met in turn with resistance from the egg’s shards, the largest of which was Gigas.Man fought woman over the fate of existence, and woman won. Woman brought life, and with it chaos; yet beauty. Beauty that the man sees and now cultivates.It’s a great creation myth and aligns with the fundamental values of the franchise.
>>56639366Internal last modified timestamps according to libreoffice:pmyth01 - 04/11/2005, 23:15:00pmyth01.1 - 04/11/2005, 23:00:00pmyth02 - 04/11/2005, 23:01:00pmyth03 - 04/11/2005, 23:02:00pmyth04 - 04/11/2005, 23:03:00pmyth05.1 - 04/11/2005, 23:09:00pmyth05.2アウス - 06/26/2005, 23:47:00pmyth05.2 - 06/15/2005, 04:56:00pmyth05.3 - 07/29/2005, 00:03:00Note that the earlier ones also have extremely low editing times. I suspect that 01 through 05.1 were originally created earlier but some word-related mishap made them recreate the documents, so the timestamps are probably useless. These are probably actually older than that.
>>56639894Should also note that the stories with Reek and Dialga and Palkia being Arceus' claws and tears are from March 2005
>>56639894Also, I should add that I have no idea how libreoffice handles documents created in a different timezone, but I'm in EST so if those times are inconsistent with JST, that's why.
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>>56639894Most of the stuff that made it into the game is in pmyth05.2アウス, makes me wonder why they came back for 5.3 which changes a lot, most of which didn't make it in compared to 5.2アウス
Maybe the egg was our world and Aus was our God but then shennanigans happened and it turned into the Pokemon world?
>>56634442>is the actual missing lore that connects the Flame/Earth plate.Sky plate too"The being poured the remains of its power into stone and buried it deep."Though it's interesting because of the giants became the plates then why is Arceus the rightful bearer that can draw out their power and not any of the regis?
>>56640128Or maybe the world got nuked once.
>>56640128I think Pokemons world was just a fantasy/scifi version of our world at first. African Elephants and shit.
>>56640153gen 1 definitely treats it like "this was the real world with slightly more advanced tech and pokemon just started showing up a few years ago"
Schizo theory: Arceus recreated the world, and Giratina's distortion world is the broken remnants of the old world
>>56634960>This is proven in Legends Arceus when only Arceus and Regigigas actually have abilities (Multitype and Slow Start) while no other pokemon does.Cherrim
I said this before and it might not amount to much but besides the Greek titans and Jewish Golems, I think the Nephilim inspired the giant lore. They were giants who were the offspring of Human and Fallen Angels who abandoned God.God flooded earth to kill them.
>>56640176I'd argue that's more of an innate property of the pokemon like Ditto or Castform
>>56640176I think you'll find that such a topic has already been discussed to exhaustion on this thread
>>56639570Ia/Palkia is female and Ea/Dialga is male dumbass. Palkia is the mother of pokéhumans.
>>56640153>>56640166It definitely was our world with these new things called Pokémon in the early gens, but we've long since shifted past that by now into its own fantasy world.>Ah yes, Hokkaido and it's classical Roman Empire architecture. And of course, New York, home to a three-thousand year old empire who built giant castles deep in the mountains, in the desert, and under the sea. As well as it's well known over seas wars fought alongside the French king Louis XIV, as well as it's colonization of Hokkaido alongside the British. Speaking of the British, did you know that twenty-thousand years ago it was ruled by pokemon with a large head who road a horse in the midst of an Ice Age?
How do aliens and the rest of the universe tie into Arceus lore? Im not talking about after 5 either I mean Staryu, Clefairy and Deoxys. And planets that weren't earth. Would planets have other creator Pokemon?Also its weird how Deoxys comes out of a triangle and the following game would have a gigantic lore triangle full of trinities. It feels like its implying a connection but maybe its just thematic like Deoxys has a DNA theme and Aus made the DNA of the universe
>>56638845Kind of makes it a Homestuck Cherub.Which is hilarious because it is in fact a giant cosmic god flying snake with skeletal features.
>>56640273Presumably other planets grew life, it's just that Earth was God's special project, or just lucky since the Hall of Origin and the probable centre of the universe is, in space terms, practically overlapping.
>>56636964He is a free man.
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>>56640273>>56640299*overlapping with Earth, left unfinished sorry.
>>56638952Gigas still wants to make life.Gigas is just chaste, he CONSTRUCTS his children, where as the lewd hussy Arceus CONCEIVES AND BIRTHS them.
>>56640129Regis are all just cheap imitations of the original giants who were all >Regigigas tier. Regigigas can only draw the power out of his own plate, the Blank plate, because he is normal type. Reason Arceus can draw power from them is because he is the yolk that came from the egg. The egg proves him energy, so the giants energy is his food.
>>56640129Might Makes Right.He killed them so he gets their stuff by the natural law.
>>56639190They're all overly territorial destructive assholes, so like father like sons, really.
>>56640317>>56640273Also arceus is standing on a black triangle hereMaybe its just where the idea for the triangle diagram started idk I just thought it was interesting.
>>56639314If all the giants were made into plates, the Gigas is not a giant, because it was holding the blank plate.Gigas is the giant's first and only direct progeny. You find him in snow point temple in PLA holding the remains of papa.
>>56637541>STOP CONFLATING THE DIFFERENT DRAFTS OF THE CREATION MYTH HOLY SHIT, THE VERSION THAT HAS ARCEUS FUCKING A HUMAN IS THE VERSION THAT DOESNT HAVE THE EGG IN IT AT ALLThis is as confusing as real relgion lmao
>>56640392I can't wait until the inevitable religious schism.
>>56640327Regigigas has seen Pashusta's light.
Have we gotten any world building lore from the other generations yet?
>>56640273Pokemon is an infection and if you are not human you become pokemon
>>56637541>STOP CONFLATING THE DIFFERENT DRAFTS OF THE CREATION MYTHlol, lmao
>>56640317I wonder if Birthly and Smilay are Manaphy and Shaymin?
>>56640406We already have humanfucker vs summoned palkia/dialga and Giratina vs Regis as the giant. I like the discussion quite a bit.
>>56640406we already have people who disregard this new testament entirely ie jews
>>56640333>Regis for each type appear after several years>Gigas is summoned in SWSH when you gather several Regis>This was Gigas awakening them as time passedSurely one game the plan for Gigas Titanomachy will be revealed, right?
ARCEUS (IA-EA-AUS, ARCH-DEUS) IS NOT GODIT IS THE DEMIURGE
>>56638952>Boiling it down to being an Incel is stupid.It's you retards who keep making it sound that way
>>56634109The giants were the things that became the Weather Trio. It's already translated.
>>56640333>Regigigas can only draw the power out of his own plate, the Blank plate, because he is normal type.Except he can't draw any more power from it than any other pokemon of the appropriate typing.Which means he's not a rightful bearer either.
>>56634120Metaverse
>>56634120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgCcMv4xnwA
Makes a lot of sense now why Gigas naturally learns a lot of Fighting type moves on level up.
>>56634120We can argue that hatching out of the egg is itself the Turn 1 action, meaning Regigigas would have Turn 2 to start attacking.
