>>56657617Atlantis for Gen 10 instead of Greece.
>>56657617I mean, their movie is just straight up modern day Atlantis. The Japanese subtitle is even Guardian Gods of the Water Capital
Now I'm curious about metagross
>>56657704Metagross may be based off the other Atlantis origin book.
>>56657704Hermocrates possibly following from the logic in the creation myth
>>56657617>Poochyena’s name is Wangheh
>>56657786i think thats supposed to be warg which are wolves in LOTR
>>56657786I meanVaporeon - ShowersUmbreon - Blacky
>>56657617I can't believe they predicted the Seal of Orichalcos arc in Yu-Gi-Oh
OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCKMetagross = Antikythera Mechanism
>>56657836No, anon. That's Wang. Wan is the Japanese version of bark. Also>using Google translate like a retard
>>56657617Atlantis chad won in the end. Timefags and imaginationtrannies btfo forever
>>56658030Holy shit.
>>56658030>being make to predict the moon's orbit among other thingsExplains the psychic typing.
>>56658056Isn't time Dialga? And vision/imaginary one of the lake trio?
>>56657630Lemuria if its Indonesia or SEA
>>56658030STEEPEST FLOOR
>>56658030Berry fucking nice.
>>56658123Yes, time is Dialga and Uxie is the vision/imagination one. That's not even speculative, those are outright defined several times consistently in the docs and referenced in the games.
>>56658030Based I love him even more now
>>56658030>>56658120>The Antikythera mechanism is the oldest known example of an analogue computer>Metagross has 4 brains, able to make calculations comparable to a supercomputerIT ALL COMES TOGETHER
>The Poke versions of Greece/Italy/Libya were using Metagross to make calculations and were guarded by the Eons in Ancient Times Pure kino
>>56658030fuq
>interesting lore and worldbuilding>that they just decided to... not include, because haha I don't really know!i hate this fucking company so much, theyve always been like this
>>56658228When that origin story first leaked, there were some comments about the arms of the Beldum line basically being mechanical versions of the Latis.I'm thinking the Metagross line ended up being a guardian deity for the people of the Mediterranean being able to predict storms and help them organise their customs and events.Some may have travelled to Japan, where they were enshrined in their own creation myth as avatars of Kyogre. Actually, thus also reminds me of the 9th movie how May and Max were descendants of sea people from not!Atlantis and how Kyogre was revered there alongside Manaphy.
Have you guys forgotten Sootopolis?
>>56658247This. When GF releases these games and includes vague texts like "defeated giants infuse this plate," I think they think it sounds much more interesting than it actually does, because they actually fully understand what all of these little easter eggs, inspirations and hints mean. In other words, they have a bias because they already know whats going on. Meanwhile we just read it and it means nothing to us. Holy fuck, you put all this work into making cohesive lore and designs, just fucking put it in the game.
>the beldum line, regis and latis are all lined up in the dex
>>56658319Remember: Same retard who put a bunch of game mechanics in the game and didn't explain any of them in spite of how necessary they are to game optimization and being able to beat their shitty post-game battle towersOf course the lore would suffer the same
>>56658394the same generation that had one use move tutors hidden in gamecube games that only let you get ONE MOVE PER SAVE FILE, and ONLY LETTING YOU TRADE AFTER YOU BEAT THE GAME
>>56657630gen 9 is atlantis, idiot
>>56658394These are the same people that made unown implied to be the aftermath of some sort of Hiroshima like disaster.
>>56658259>Hoenn is WE WUZ SEA KANGS
>>56657637The 9th movie was more Atlantis inspired.
>>566584845th movie is more closer to modern interpretations of the Atlantis myth of being technologically advanced that started popping up across the late 80s-00s.
>>56657617I have the suspicion that gamefreak themselves made the leak because to create more hype for their next gen or Legends ZA because they fear Palworld.
>>56658504Out of curiosity, do we have official numbers for how long it takes to produce a Pokemon movie? I'm curious if Disney's Atlantis was out when Poekmon Heroes would have started production.
>>56657617Funny how all deepest lore is centered around gen 3/4
>>56658247>>56658319I disagree. I like the mystery. Antikythera and Metagross have always been around, it is our fault for not making the connection. We are to blame for not solving the mystery.Again I remind you all that the Hoenn E4 is based on Shangri-La another "lost civilization" like Atlantis. Wake up!
>>56657836Warg (Vargr) is just the norse word for wolf
>>56658566> it is our fault for not making the connection. We are to blame for not solving the mystery.Pretty sure Bulbapedo solved it over a decade ago.
>>56658566>Hoenn E4 is based on Shangri-LaHow do you figure?
>>56658543M05 was announced in May 2001. They usually take a little over. A year to make. M08 is the only exception where the script was being written since late 2002 according to Yuyama's blog.The Latis were definitely already designed by early 2001 so it seems these two were created with Atlantis in mind instead of cribbing Disney.
>>56658543They made a movie every year. I doubt that it took them more than a year if they made them yearly but I think that they collected some ideas for future movies already some time before.The 4th one is obviously based on Princess Mononoke.Maybe the 5th one was inspired by Nadia instead of Disney's Atlantis.The 9th one has even more Nadia influences with the magic stones and the water city people being darker skinned.
>>56658030>>56658238Holy shit
>>56658545>gen 3/4That was the last time Gamefreak actually put some work into their games.
>>56658624Adding on to this. The final artwork for Kecleon, Brendan, Walmer and Azurill was already around since March 7th 2001 so they were already drawn up by Feb 2001. This means most of those Sugimori draft pics we saw date to before way before Feb 2001 and the Lati pics from OP also come before Feb 2001 or definitely May 2001.
>>56658647Gen V had work put into its characters
>>56658626What caused them to drop ashnime movies? Was it really the heatran one?
>>56658624>M08 is the only exception where the script was being written since late 2002 according to Yuyama's blog.Was the Pokemon Lucario already planned back then?It explains why they had Mew as the originator of all Pokemon and the tree of life in that movie but then later had Arceus being the origin of everything.They didn't plany Arceus in 2002 but I think they already had plans for Arceus in 2005 when the 8th movie came out.
>>56658672They had been declining in sales for years (like the rest of the anime) but Covid is what finished it.
>>56658674Arceus didn't appear in the first myth, but was featured heavily in the others.
>>56658672>heatran one?You mean Volcanion?I liked the 19th movie. It was better than all the other gen V and gen VI movies and I like the princess in it.
Also I just realized>Beldum fuse together to make Metang>4 Metang make a Metagross>Eon Pokemon travel in small packs>if one goes with the logic that the Beldum line are mechanised Eons or mineral versions of themSo basically, even their social behavior mirror each other, plus this may mean ancient people merged the powers of Beldum/Eon Pokemon for their own ends... >>56658674I think they only had a idea of a aura Pokemon. Munchlax seems to be made before September 2003 if FRLG debug info is any indication.
>>56658672they did one every year until 2020, and they stopped because they sold less tickets every successive year until they stopped being profitable
>>56657763Hermocrates was never written down so I don't think GF connected it with anything. Plus the names don't match like Latias/Latios do with their books. ヘルモクラテス (Herumokurates)メタグロス (Metaguros)
>>56657617Latinas Latinos
>>56658719Yes, I always confuse their names.
>>56657617Japanese fans are already well aware of this. It's very obvious: >ラティオス (Latios)>ティマイオス (how Timaeus is spelt in Japanese)And Latias in both languages sounds similar to Critias. They probably should have localized Latios as "Lateus" instead to make it less obtuse.
>>56658770Same with the Greek computer. Several wikis listed the connection for almost 20 years now. People are just realizing how they link now.
>>56658738One Piece used to also make one movie every year. Now they are making them only all few years. I think it was the wiser decision. Detective Conan is still making movies every year.
Now the is the Groundon/Darkrai/Cresselia connection.
>>56658806Detco still has a massive hold on the Asian and Arabian box office to this day so that's probably why.>>56658674Yuyama is a anime writer, he can't have known about the creation myth from 2004 when thinking up a plotline during 2002. He comes up with a storyline and GF hand him character designs to use alongside any next gen Pokemon they'd like the movie to feature. I think Sugimori did comment on Lucario and M08, I'll see if I can find it.Also, Yuyama's April 2005 entry already mentions the word Manaphy/Manafee, so if the Birthlee in the creation graph is Manaphy, then maybe it was used as a codename or the actual myth was written way before 1st August 2005.
>>56658792It is more because the four weren't linked until the leaks, I saw more people trying to link the latis with Lugia.
>>56657617Great now I have an excuse to play this song for the latishttps://youtu.be/SsoY3W8-2zQ?si=0S9aFuXQFC87KGig
>>56658601The character's in Hilton's Lost Horizon are the E4 characters in Hoenn.>SidneyBased on Barnard a fraudster. Dark/Evil type.>PhoebeBased on Lo-Tsen, a beautiful Manchu girl. Ghost type because she's secretly old and withers and dies when she leaves Shangri-La.>GlaciaBased on Miss Brinklow a stern and stubborn missionary. Ice-type.>DrakeBased on Conway a British consul veteran. Dragon-type, all his Pokémon relate to flight.Evergrand City is isolated and hard to reach, known as a paradise and filled with flowers just like Shangri-La.
>>56658851Worldly pleasures/mortal links maybe? People have discovered Chimeran (the weird design that got replaced by Giratina) was meant to be a seperate legendary from Dialga/Palkia/Arceus, so Gordon maybe have been Chimeran.
>>56658877DRAW MONSTA CARDO
>>56658866>and Arabian box officeI wonder how anime affects the arabian social structure. Saudi Arabia apparently watches lots of anime. I wonder if they censored or didn't show the episode with the island doctor who pretended to be a girl and then killed people as a revenge for his father.
>>56658877Which Pokemon would fit these themes?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0_up7G34akhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLB6FbhKS6AGiratina?
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>>56657637>>56658484>He ain't suspecting that they could have made several Atlantis-like movies because it's a super common myth.
>>56658897Detco was dubbed in Syria which is much more liberal than Saudi Arabia. The only real censorship was renaming some BO members to avoid alcohol references, aging the teens to uni students so they wouldn't have to erase any romances and the digital inked eps had clothing changed to cover shoulders but they rarely did this.Anime is very popular in MENA. People don't take note because otaku types aren't exactly something that's acceptable to happen like in Latam, so you rarely see 30-40 yros talking about stuff like that openly. As for the Arab version of Pokemon, it's rumored the licensor for western toy companies started that phony moral panic about satanism to kill Pokemania over there, and the dub switched hands and stopped halfway through AG. May's actress said on Tiktok that the masters for the Johto/AG eps were rewritten to make space for other dubs.
>>56658939no
>>56658897That episode aired as is even with extra lines to explain the name pun
>>56658770The only JP pokemon autist I follow made tons of theories and I only ever remember him saying they were named after some river in Italy, because of the movie.
>>56658929The answer Is TyranitarIf you ever played the lati@s duo you feared the prophet of pursuit 2 get in only one walks out
>>56658030Would this have been well known in 2001 Japan?
>>56658146No one outside of crystal hippes even acknowledge Lemuria and the lands of Muu.Or As it's known now.Zealandia.
>>56659105If you read up on books definitely, and I imagine GF have to have some well read designers to be able to make Pokemon to begin with.
>>56658247Sometimes Masuda's methods are beyond comprehension.
>>56659105Gen 3 had some fairly obscure references.
>GF has a fire deep as fuck lore they created for their games>Never reveals it>A leak had to happen for us to learn about it, appreciate how crazy interesting it is and be baffled by GF's stupidity to keep this secret while giving us braindead gamesBros... I can't...
>>56659149Its other Legends are based off Sumerian, Jewish and Arabian folklore. Actually, this makes me think that similar to Unova coincidentally having tons of Chinese influences, that Hoenn is just Kyushu+Mediterranean. It certainly explains Rustboro, Sootopolis, the evil teams and the random desert.
>>56658674When was Mew first mentioned to be the originator of all life in the games?
>>56658647I think the franchise as a whole would have been best off if it capped with Gen 4 and called it a day. Maybe released Gen 5 as a final swan-song that brought everything together with a bit of extra meat to round out the setting and connect everything up. The later generations seem to have lacked that same energy.
>>56659246Its Silver entry. Tying back to the schizo lore>Dialga and Palkia were mates >Pokemon were created in the image of Dialga while humanity was created in the image of Palkia>Therefore, Mew is the first Pokemon Dialga created>Bipedal and pink>Dialga created the first Pokemon in the image of his beloved
>>56657617That explains the toga
>>56659258Gen 4 was Masuda's "Ultimate" vision for the series.
>>56658792Metagross and the mechanism is a super tenuous connection without the greater Atlantis and Greek myth reference and its grouping with the Lati@s twins.
>>56659317So they started Greek and went Southern Japanese after a few iterations.
>>56658259>Rayquaza is a missile>Lati@s are fighter jets>between its color and goggles, Flygon has a fighter pilot motif >Beldum travel in swarms, apparently Metang collide with jets in midair>Bagon yearns to fly, and finally M-Salamence takes design cues from the Hoenn dragon legends implying it changed its body AGAIN being inspired by them>Blaziken was designed to resemble a jet too, it still has the burning exhaust leg motif>a crazy number of meteors fall on Hoenn>the Regi = bombing theory>Abandoned Ship/Sea Mauville’s geographical placementWARkemon bros…
>>56658349I love the regi
>>56659299Mew looks like a fetus
>>56659365Seems like Greek->North African/Arabian->Kyushu = Hoenn
>>56659445Just like the babies that all died before Palkia birthed the Lake trio.
Fiore is based off Italy, isn't it? Probably links Manaphy further to Atlantis
>>56658030would be more obscure if the indiana jones 5th movie wan't know.
>>56657836>>56657786The joke is that it's a wolf but it acts like a big dog.
>>56659149Yeah, I remember people getting lost with it and believing the weather trio was based on Aztec deities, I think only Rayquaza has some inspiration but otherwise Fug is more a Chinese Long Or Japanese Ryu than a blocky feathered serpent.
ghost pokemon are a thing so i wonder if they were originally planning on making something about that after gen 4 because death is everywhere in the original mythos, even using body parts
>>56659770It's Behemoth, Ziz and Leviathan in essence but reinterpreted.
>>56659317>>56659365>>56659454Also some Jewish lore there too according to >>56659786
>>56657617>Latias was my anime crush as a kid>I now love philosophyAhhhh, the thinking man's mon...
>>56659786I doubt it. The designs have nothing in common. Behemoth is a giant ox monster, Ziz is a bird, and Leviathan is a fire snake underwater. Like there's no reference back to them made. The concept of elemental titans, of land, sea, and air, are pretty obvious for a monster game.
>>56659786Kyogre is the least changed from Leviathan/whale.Fug became Quetzalcoatl.
>>56658030>>56658120>>56658204>>56658215>>56658630NIGGAS THIS IS NOTHING NEW I SAW PEOPLE MADE THIS CONNECTION SINCE THE MID-2010s AT LATEST
>>56659878ok, post source then
>>56659317What was the official name of this betamon in the leaks?I wonder if that trainer is part of Cynthia and Volo's lost civilization?
>>56659913Elhawk.
>>56659851I can tell you played final fantasy and believe the leviathan is a serpent like creature in all the interpretations
>>56659913
>>56659317>>56659913I want to know who this character was so bad. Beta female protag? Important NPC?
>>56659965Brendan and May were already a thing by March '01 allegedly so likely a npc
>>56659950Meanwhile Alomomola
>>56659948>https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2041&version=NABREComes off as a snake to me. Still, the fire association is the most important detail missing.
>>56659786Unlikely, its just the trinity/archetype of land, sea and sky
Me, realizing that Khu made a double reference to Gen 3 + Gen 10 with this comment, and how much more significant that feels now with the Lati/Meta line having all of these Atlantis/Greek inspirations.And the Latiken's rider wearing a toga.And Metagross's face having an X, the Roman numeral for 10.And in Horizons, Laqua is fairly unrelated to Paldea and could be our Atlantis.Good lord, the anime was a trailer for Gen 10 all along.
>>56657617Does this master spreadsheet also exist for other gens?
>>56657617That's why Metagross is such a rare fucking Pokemon and why you can only barely breed it using a Ditto.Wait, that also means Steven deemed you worthy of weilding the power of a living God on par with Latias and Latios and thus why he gits you one Beldum. He knows you are responsible enough to use it.We sure Garchomp and other pseudos aren't actual deities or the descendants/living avatars of one?, even if the leaked diagram showed only a few that were accounted for, anything on the pseudo stat range now can be suspected of as actuallt related to Legendaries and Mythical Pokemon.>>56659878Post source retard.>>56659913It isn't, as far as I can remember, the Celesians or whatever are all blonde or really light haired on the yellow color spectrum. I think the only exception is Cogita because she might or not be involved with higher than thou forces and thus not be exactly human, PLA leaves it ambiguous.>>56659940>Name translated to spanish is literally just "The Hawk".I don't think it's that deep. It's just a hawk pokemon with a pun name.Also:>Ashnime movie showed a Greek inspired shapeshifting Godmon fall in love with a foreigner turned Hero. And it has to let said Hero go because it has other places to go and Goddess has duties in the land it protects. Effectively turning it into an untold PoV of a personal tragedy for Latias.Very old-mythos like. Fits the bill. Also idk if there is a Latios angle here. Someone more autistic than me might have found it if there's any.
>>56660117>Also idk if there is a Latios angle here. Protector God/spirit is immortalised in the Soul Dew/Sacrifices itself for the sins of man after being held up and tortured (the Thieves' greed/crucifiction)>They both live in a lush garden hidden from all>>56660117Only Tyranitar and Dragonite were named. Jury's out on Garchomp being one of those placeholders, Salamence is oddly missing but its Pokedex info would conflict since its very existence is Darwinian evolution at play instead of natural power.
Huhuhu.
So, with Gen 3 calling towards Greek culture so much... can we talk about how their remakes are literally named Alpha and Omega? The beginning and end of the Greek alphabet.
>>56659383>the Regi = bombing theoryqrd
>>56657617Gen 10 will include Rakua
>>56660419I love how we had that developer dialogue on how much they're trying to prevent overlap between the ideas in Gen 9 and Gen 10, when the Gen 10 DLC and Horizons is absolutely overlapping into Gen 10.Even the whole code name, Titan, is another Greek reference. Paldea had the Titanomachy, and now Gen 10 will bring us Atlas.
>>56660382check their level 1 move
>>56658566Sure, up to a point, but there are just some things that would plain never be looked into without some kind of lead. For example, the lore in the OP that connects metagross with the latis. No one would have any reason to think of metagross to be connected to those thematically. A vague hint like that is enough, evidently, to uncover more inspiration behind metagross, that's all i meant
>>56660569And on top of that we also already know what gen 10 is going to look like
>>56659120Golden sun.
>>56659317>>56659913Maybe she's proto Winona
>>56659950Imagine if delibird evolved into this
>>56659994definitive proof that unova is when they stopped caring about quality
>>56659950Do you have the spreadsheet link, anon? Wondering if they have anything in Paootsu/Zangoose.
>>56659950So Blaziken does have hawk elements in its design, Horusfags were right.
>>56661087Gen 3 honorably had anubis in it.
>>56661085https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LP2peOaDCK8-YkEZ-Y5Hy-anbO3vQPX21nJD7MM_Pt0/edit?gid=657668227#gid=657668227
>>56661087>Horus and Anubis>Lucario was literally said to be similar to Blaziken when revealed in early 2005>both some of the first gen 3 pokemon to be madehttps://www.serebii.net/archive/February-2005.shtml
>>56659950>>>>Looks like a delibird evolution What the fuck is gamefreak smoking?
>>56659878this whole leak thing is zoomies' first happening anon
>>56661087So he was a gavilán pollero, a chicken hawk so to speakThat's a nice pun
>>56659105>hurr how did people learn stuff before wikipedia and google?
>>56661087>>56661103>>56661128Their battle has transcended time and space ...and copyright
>>56661064Agreed
>>56661149And Hawlucha being a Hawk has elements of a fighting cock
>>56660044>Out of his mouth go forth torches; sparks of fire leap forth.>12 From his nostrils comes smoke as from a seething pot or bowl.this is a dragon if anything
So basically >Gen 3 was atlantis >Latios/Latias/Latiken were supposed to be guardians of atlantis >Most likely a city built around kyogre groudon and rayquaza And gamefreak scrapped all of this for a chinese pirate and a literal chud who just want more ground/water?
>>56661168>Guile with Voltorb (has Sonic Boom and Guile resembles Lt.Surge)>Chun Li with Medicham>Fei Long with Hitmonlee>Balrog with Hitmonchan>M.Bison with Mewtwothis could be extremely peak
>>56661168
>>56661251nah only the designs were based on it
>WOAH IT WAS ATLANTIS ALL ALONG???No fucking shit.
>>56661251I think you're reading too into it, it's just a name for them it doesn't mean it's story relevant.
>>56661251Wait, Archie is Chinese?
>>56661128>Well guys, a new Pokémon has been revealed in CoroCoro, it is called Rukario and currently we only have a sihlouette. According to the information shown with it, it seems to have something to do with Mew: "From the title, we know the Mew and Rukario are closely connected. Is Mew watching over this hero (Rukario) ? With the ability to understand Rukario, it's still unknown what story Mew holds.">They also think it may have some of the fighting powers that Blaziken had: "The keyword is warrior (hero) and humanoid. will this new pokemon be adept in physical combats? Will it know fighting moves? Blaziken is the first pokemon that comes to mind while seeing the silhouette. Will they possess similar powers?" Deepest lore
>>56658030That is a huge reach
>>56661251Wait until you see the original plans for Maxie and Archie were that Maxie was using Devon Corp as a front for illegal construction activities while Archie was a extremist herding tons of wild pokemon displaced from the construction sites into the rocket in Mossdeep to take them to an island where they'd live peacefully
>>56661252YJK
>>56659653Isn't it based on some other part of Japan?
>>56661201No wonder I love these birds
>>56659105Japan pop culture was obsessed with this sort of stuff
>>56661252>Juri and Salazzleholy kino
>>56658030Kino
>>56661252Yatta!
>>56660341Shhhh.... your in too deep
>>56657617Yugioh reference?
>>56661253Zoolander walk off battle!!!
>>56658030>>56661401Metakino
>>56658885Why are Pokemon games so cool in Hidden Lore?
>>56661289>Archie is Chinese?His moustaches makes him look chinese to me
>>56661488They sometimes post on /dng/, yes.
>>56661572Japanese guys have that moustache too. Especially delinquen/"rough" guys like Archie.
>>56657617I just want to hold Latias so badly, I want to be married to her and take care of her and love her so much
>>56658626>The 9th one has even more Nadia influences with the magic stones and the water city people being darker skinned.The settings of that movie are beautiful, I seem to remember them being based on Italy.I hope one day we will have a game with a cool story like the movies (before the disastrous BW era)
>>56660117At least the ashinme confirmed that the fifth movie is not only one of the only canon films in the franchise - but Latias even got a cameo at the very end of the series, not to mention the entire Latios and Latias side story. It's obvious the fifth movie resonated with a lot of people and the animators took the time to let us all know Latias and Ash wasn't forgotten about. It just makes perfect sense for Ash to be with her - she is a pokemon that can live amongst humans disguised as one - and he is on the road to becoming a human with total understanding of pokemon. Can't get much closer with Pokemon than marrying one - and Ash himself was supposed to be a harbinger of a new era, like he's restoring the unity between humanity and pokemon. I'm all for it.
>>56661251>TFW the draconids in ORAS is what gamefreak was trying to make with poke-atlantis in RSE and beta may on latiken was actually beta zinnia
lol thats old bulbapedia already had it in latios metagross latias origin section newfag
>>56661751
>>56661381She likes spiders though.
>>56661754I want altomare in games.It would be nice as a mini region for a dlc.Or like in fifth generation, a region based on a city
>>56658866So it was Masuda not Sugimori but he mentions how Lucario's true debut in DP and onwards are influenced by M08https://x.com/DrLavaYT/status/1696577704118612305
>>56658394>in spite of how necessary they are to game optimization and being able to beat their shitty post-game battle towersThey really aren't, you just need a decent core of mons with not-shit moves. The stat point autism to squeeze that final drop of SpAtk-blood out of the stone is something that's only "necessary" for the tippest top human-vs-human competitive players, who are always for the tiniest advantage over others.
>>56659120Japan is obsessed with Mu because of the paranormal tabloid named after it
>>56661276It's a fact that Santorini/Thera (the real-world inspiration of Sootopolis) is often connected with Atlantis.
>>56662370Yeah, let alone all the lore surrounding Kyogre and Groudon, it's a no brainer.
>>56661251When I was a kid I loved the Sealed Chamber, it was such a mysterious part of the game.Maybe it was a remnant of an underground city to explore or something
>only access is from a submarine or a plane>limited space with bad terrain>no economy except some rare tourism and gym battles>undergrounds where criminals are invoking ritualsHow wealthy do you have to be to afford living there?
>>56657617>Latias, Latios and Terapagos are both linked to dreams and AtlantisWHAT DOES IT MEAN
>>56661801The rom hacks Altair and Sirius have it in its post game
>>56659120You fool
>>56659120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz3yQmPsrY
>>56659950Where can I find these notes?
>>56662570The natives are probably poor and are trapped there.
>>56662696honestly no clue, google doc doesn't give a path.It links to the tcrf website which does give a path but it leads to a file that requires something called "FileMaker 5" so I don't know if that's the same file that the doc is using or something else.
>>56658030So taking a leap here, it's probably safe to say Steven probably wasn't just a precious gem fag to start, and mightve been looking for Orichalcum, and that may be why Meta is blue, to resemble oxidized bronze?
>>56662758Damn. Apparently some twitter user named “hirespokemon” is making a spreadsheet with all of them, but I haven’t been able to find a link (I don’t have a twitter account).
>>56663345if you just want the google doc just type the short url in the OP image
>>56663363Thanks!
Seems like people forget Hoenn is based on OT Bible, Greece, and the bottom left japanese islands
>>56658030holy fuck, Metagross is so basedI always loved this guy but this just deepens the loveDEEPEST LORE
>>56661128>>56661168>Lucario and Blaziken were two of the first mega evolutions revealed
>>56661754>the fifth movie is not only one of the only canon films in the franchiseI hate this bullshit. Every movie was, and still is, canon. With the obvious exceptions of the reboot trilogy. It was always just some weird western perception that the movies weren't canon.
>>56658146total lemurian death
>>56662570It originally was home of the Pokémon league before they changed plans
>MFW Latias, Latios, and Metagross are connected to Kyogre is a reference to Atlantis>Wonder if Celebi and Mew are somehow related >Mew is a reference to Atlantis being hidden>Celebi is a reference being Atlantis is “lost in time”So here’s my theory if the above is correct for GroundonDeoxys and Jirachi are heavily tied to outer space, specifically the moon.My theory is the three Pokemon under Groundon are supposed to be Heatran, Darkrai and Cresselia.Why? Darkrai and Cresselia are obviously associated with the moon, while Heatran pretty much fits Groundon’s aesthetic.But what’s the correlation between Groundon and the moon? (Specifically what we knew of the moon in 2005)Well it’s simple: it’s land, a planet of rock without an atmosphere (sky) and water. What does the moon also do? Keeps the ocean in check.Groundon created the moon.
>>56665834What if it is just what became Garchomp though?
>>56660569>Area Zero called Atlantis, deliberately had the reveal of the ancient civilization down there scrubbed to prevent overlap>game is centered around a “treasure hunt”>tales and expedition logs from an adventurer drive much of the plot >legendary quartet are cursed relics and there’s a cursed Aztec gold pokemon too>Paldea backstory includes multiple ancient ruins from different civilizations that ruled there>Koraidon’s ability is a reference to mythical metals associated with Atlantis in both Eng and JpI’m actually baffled that Gen 10 is being developed around themes of expedition and uncovering a lost civilization, considering that’s much of Gen 9’s framing in the first place. Learning Area Zero was INTENTIONALLY gutted to being a generic crystal cave to avoid the overlap rather than using their good ideas together in an actual game is the most disappointing thing I’ve learned from these leaks.
>>56659120There are a nonzero number of games containing Mu, at least four immediately come to mind for me
>>56664666It explains a lot
>>56659120To add on to everyone calling you retarded, somewhat overshadowed Matrix Software DS JRPG Nostalgia features both.
>>56666057It was overshadowed for good reason, that game was absolutely terrible.
>>56665834>Decide to check the Arceus iconography to compare this>See them squeezed between Deoxys and Jirachi, the space PokemonIt's 100% Cresselia and Darkrai. Unsure about the third, could either be Garchomp or Heatran. Both have reference to the internal nature of Earth itself
>>56666188pretty sure smilay is the grass hedgehog, I forgot his name
>>56666188We've already thoroughly analyzed this. Dahabu is a proto name for Darkrai. Saan is a proto name for Cresselia - it appears Cresselia was originally going to have sun styling, not moon styling.Gordon, Smilay and Birthlee remain a mystery.
>>56666188>>56666246Didn't Gordon turn out to be an early name for Camerupt?
>>56666188>>56666246Birthlee is 100% Manaphy, giving birth is its big gimmickSmilay is likely Shaymin, the Gratitude Pokémon and the last Gen 4 mythical to choose
>>56666273That was Donki.
>>56666439Oh wait, you meant Goodon, nevermind.
>>56666246So drakai is actually the night and Cresselia the day?
>>56666246>it appears Cresselia was originally going to have sun styling, not moon stylingMakes a lot of sense actually. It always seemed odd that they're treated as a duo despite one being mythical. Though that may not have always been the case since Darkrai has scrapped roaming data
>>56666188So groundoun is connected to "heaven and earth"/Tenchi/天地
>>56666188Now that I think about this Jirachi was used to clone Groundoun...
>>56666188>Gordon isn't Arcanine despite it being a 'Legendary' and probably more deserving than Gyaradosweird
>>56665997>I’m actually baffled that Gen 10 is being developed around themes of expedition and uncovering a lost civilization, considering that’s much of Gen 9’s framing in the first place.What's baffling is how long Gamefreak managed to give a shit about Pokelore, and gen 10 looking like a rerun of gen 9 could only be surprising to actual children. They've been phoning it in entirely since the 6th gen
>>56666188so wtf is up with Gyarados totally snubbing Salamence here?
>>56666585Koi swimming up the river to become a dragon god is a literal myth
>>56666596I also have played pokemon snap
>>56666585Salamence is a Western dragon, Gyrados is an Eastern dragon.
>>56666585The Hoenn section is full already.
>>56661309Where did you read this? What file is it? Please, anon, I want to know more.>>56661572He's Japanese, you retardIn ORAS he and his friends even look Okinawan
So if Latios and Latias are Timaeus and Critias, the Soul Dew is Orichalcum, and Sootopolis is Atlantis, what does that make Southern Island and the weird green thing that's in the center of it?
>>56666585Gyarados is meant to represent Kyogre.
>>56666955>He's JapaneseJapan doesn't exist in pokemon.
>>56667099>Tyranitar Gyarados and Dragonite are basically Rayquaza playing with dolls meant to represent himself and the two shitheads he babysits
>>56666614It is the first thing people learn about Gyarados
>Hoenn is a region notorious for its lengthy water routes and segments>Extensive underwater areas replete with sunken ruins and hidden secrets underneath the surfaceHow did we spend 20 years not realizing this shit?
>>56667107You're right. He's Poké-Japanese
>>56667260Because the region didn't do a good job presenting these aspects in a desirable way for people to want to research these inspirations or references. The fact this is coming from a SINNOH leak goes to show how much heavy lifting that game tried to do connecting Hoenn with the prior Gens
>>56667260I always got an Atlantis vibe from Sootopolis. Sorry you retards didn't
Groundon connection to the moon, is explained by mount coronet/fuji.>The old couple become very sad and are soon put to bed sick. The officer returns to the Emperor with the items Kaguya-hime gave him as her last mortal act, and reports what happened. The Emperor reads her letter and is overcome with sadness, and asks his servants, "Which mountain is the closest place to Heaven?"; in response, one suggests the Great Mountain of Suruga Province. The Emperor then orders his men to take the letter to the summit of the mountain and burn it, in the hope that his message would reach the distant princess. They are also ordered to burn the elixir of immortality, as the Emperor does not wish to live for eternity without being able to see her.>Legend has it that the word for immortality (不死, fushi), became the name of the mountain, Mount Fuji. It is also said that the kanji for the mountain, which translate literally to "mountain abounding with warriors" (富士山), are derived from the Emperor's army ascending the slopes to carry out his order. It is said that the smoke from the burning still rises to this day. (In the past, Mount Fuji was a much more active volcano and therefore produced more smoke.)>>56667260Said pokemon weren't in the same room together.It is too in the background.Kyogre was associated with another legendary pair.
>>56667434Mount Fuji isn't in Hokkaido. That would be odd if that was the motif instead of a local one.
>>56667339It presented the mystery of the Regi's, which was engaging enough to persist for years. That mystery is as close to being 'defined' as you can call a a legend, which only happened as recently as a few days ago.>The fact this is coming from a SINNOH leak goes to show how much heavy lifting that game tried to do connecting Hoenn with the prior GensIf this leak has shown us anything, it's that Hoenn and Sinnoh are spiritual siblings when it comes to overall design ethos. You couldn't have the incredibly cogent trio from Emerald without giving considerable thought to what comes after, which is more surprising to those of us who acutally lived through the release of these games than it is to anyone else.
>>56667434Mt. Fuji is Mt. Silver, m8
>>56667504This and I didn't even play Pokémon back when Gen 3 was new
This is really interesting in that we can see overarching themes in Pokemon designs. In Gen 3's case, with Atlantis and Greek myth.Gen 2 had something similar, where a lot of designs took from Native American myth, Norse myth (which all entirely got cut), and then the very odd and heavy push of military-themed Pokemon.
>>56658030Damn...that's both so meta and so gross...
>>56661162Thing is that the mechanism's purpose was only identified in 2005, though IIRC it was one of the more popular theories at the time.
>>56658545if you think that then you haven't paid attention to Gen I lore and to a lesser extent Gen II lore
>>56658770that ruins the symmetry
>>56658885interestingTFS
>>56659182the lore itself is not interestingwhat is interesting is the source material and the fact GameFreak adapted it for their gamesit was cut because of the very fact it was irrelevant to how they used it
>>56659258>I think the franchise as a whole would have been best off if it capped with Gen 4 and called it a day.we only say that because Gen 5 sucked
>>56660054>>56659851they literally do battle you fucking retards
>>56661064there was an interview posted here years ago where the developers admit that there wasn't as much editing of each mon in development of unova compared to prior gens
Tucker uses Latias, Metagross and Swampert, which very easily could have lived in an aquatic city.
>>56661087it's obvious Blaziken is ancient egyptian-related.
>>56661168lucaryu vs blaziken
>>56659317vgh
>>56670666Gen 5 was miles better than anything that came after. I still think the series should have capped at gen 4.
>>56670722Sure behemoth fights Leviathan and ziz comes down from the sky to calm them. Its uh in the book of (you)s
>>56664666>hosts pokeleague>goes bankrupt 4 years laterYep, Hoenn = Greece
>>56660188>game about evolution>filled with divinely created creaturesKek
>>56659317This was actually meant to be Delibird's evolution right? If so, I can see that it has some type of Saturnalia motif going on.
>>56657630>Not liking GREASE
>>56659878Gayest unhinged shitposter.
>>56670787>western nameHe's an Italo Disco idol lol
>>56657617These bitches are the most confused designs gamefreak had made up to that point and should've been thrown out when they realized they have no vision>originally a fighting chicken before being split up>supposed to be airplanes for some reason>named after atlantis for some reason>totally unnatural looking, resembles no animal, based on no myth>togepi color/markings and togetic shape but by pure coincidence>legendary for no reason>gender split like nidoran even though that was fixed the previous gen
>>56672711>>originally a fighting chicken before being split upBoth of those existed at the same time.
>>56672711They're so weird because they were clearly made for a movie.
>>56672711I blame Lugia for this.>not nearly as well placed in the region as Ho-oh>bird, but without bird features>lives underwater because>psychic type because
>>56673029Is Lugia ever explicitly called a bird?
>>56672796The first reveal of Ruby and Sapphire to the public had the Latis feature prominently, even to the point of being part of the original title screen.
>>56673029Lugia is a swan
>>56673029>>56673129>>56673198Lugia is explicitly based on Watatsumi, the water dragon god who reigns over the underwater dragon palace which gardens are divided to represent the seasons, that's why Lugia is the master of the elemental birds and rests deep within a cave after the tower thing.The only problem here is being psychic instead of water but they already said it was to make it more powerful
>>56672711>resembles no animal, based on no myththis is a good thing actually
>>56673029>>56673233In lore, Lugia shouldn't be Water type and making it so misses the purpose. Lugia exiles itself deep into the sea, presumably out of guilt for starting the storm which burns down the brass tower. Making it Water type implies that it belongs under the ocean, which it doesn't.
>>56673129I mean the silver wing is a feather>>56673198Despite the silver wing and this anon's good point >>56673233 it seems like an aquatic mammal more than anything
>>56658929I've heard speculation of Lucario's name being derived from "orichalcum"
>>56673350>orichalCUMNo wonder it's a furbait
>>56673350The main theory is that it's Orichalum backwards in Japanese but the ka and ru sounds being switched so it's rukario (Lucario) instead of kuraario (Kulario)
>>56673350>>56674183>>56661128>>56661087Early gen 4 designs have some connection to Ancient Egypt, see Weavile for example. In fact you can also tell who was designed when in gne 4's development cycle because of stuff like those weird thin straight line eyelashes or hollow eyes.Lucario and Munchlax are closer to final gen 3 design philosophy but are basically the bridge between the other moviemons and earlier gen 4 pokemon.
>>56673129>>56673198>big fat legs>spike on back of head>eye marks>can t-pose its wings to hover in place>extra opposable toe like the wing thumbIt looks like a draconic osprey, aka a hawk known for completely submerging itself to hunt.
>>56673343It head is orca like.>>56674451I think Lugia is a mix of swan and orca
>>56674451I'll give you it. I'm still more likely to associate Lugia with being a dragon, but I'll admit there's at least some bird elements in there.
>>56674490Its overworld sprite in GSC helps to make it look like a swan.
>>56657617Latias and Lataeus actually sounds way better and less stupid
>>56674607No actually its even harder to distinguish than the names they already have
>>56658661lol no the fuck it didn’t.
>>56666309Shaymin also has its Sky Forme, which would fit being under Rayquaza
>>56666188What connects Lugia & Ho-oh to Regigigas other than them having smaller trios?
>>56675000Same sea-land-air dichotomy
>>56675000Lugia is the Guardian of the Seas, Ho-Oh is the Guardian of the Skies, I'm guessing Regigigas is supposed to be the Guardian of the Land
>>56672711>based on no myth>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcyone_and_CeyxApply yourself.
Bump for a good thread
>>56667260i made headcanon threads about this and people laughed at methey called me a fool and spat into my open crying mouth
What is the togepi line connection to all this new latios and latias lore?
>>56658247>>56658319>>56659147They think it's going to blow little Timmy's mind
>>56673029Lugia is based on a Ryujins and Watatsumi, dragons that live under the sea.The movie staff screwed up everything from its type and gender (it was planned as a female) because Shudo didn't specify the instructions well and the staff chose a male voice and psychic type because of marketing.Later Shudo and the TCG tried to resolve the damages by showing a mother lugia and her baby in the anime and Water Lugia in a lot of cards.
>>56671162I had a worse experience playing BW than XY and it's well-known what the former's deficiencies are like lack of berry farming
>>56677239
>>56677239Shudo had nothing to do with the baby lugia arc or much of Johto. He was on sick leave since autumn 2000 and wrote a bunch of filler scripts before undertaking so the anime staff would dig them up for episode concepts.He returned to the office in 2001 to push Misty's departure instead of TR, and made the "initial setting" for AG (Ash leaves with only Pikachu and mentors a new character) before resigning in 2003 after he walked into the sea while drunk.
>>56677239>>56677284With the myth leaks this pic aged like gold
>>56677239So water dragon is the best combo for Lugia?
>>56676985I really thought there was something lost in development too since they look related. Plus heroes being a water movie was almost a well themed misty sendoff in the anime as a further connection.
>>56658566They're handing us a jigsaw puzzle after removing 2/3rds of the pieces.
>>56677497It's perfect as a contrast to Ho-OH Fire/FlyingThat's on a lore level, but as a video game it's a monstrous difference, we'd have to change Ho-Oh to Fire/Fairy to compensate or something like that
>>56678290>we'd have to change Ho-Oh to Fire/Fairy to compensateHonestly I'd be cool with that, it fits with the rainbows
>>56678423I hate that they always forget that detail of Ho-Oh and only show it with its red-orange, yellow, and green colors, before it was due to limitations, but now they can make this rainbow trail present.
>>56677672Except the missing pieces are found in google and wikipedia.
>>56666309Why is Manaphy under Rayquaza instead of Kyogre?
>>56666188>Platinum: When Mesprit flew, people learned the joy and sadness of living. It was the birth of emotions.Deepest lore.
>>56657617Wait, so were Latias and Latios made for the movie then?
>>56666188This make it look like Regigigas has nothing to do with the giants in the AUS myth. I prefer the /vp/ claim that he punched Arceus and was the only surviving giant.
>>56679174Because he does have nothing to do with them. The giants aren't pokemon.
It's all starting to come together...
>Hoenn atlantis >Abyssal ruin unova >Area zero codenamed atlantis Gamefreak really wants to make this atlantis pokemon game so bad what's stopping them?
This thrrad was blessed.Best thread on /vp/ for a while.
>>56659365Hoenn's geographical layout is also fairly similar to Greece
>>56662639I see you Golden Sun TLA friend
