What’s with the random non-legendaries?
Back in 2005 there weren't enough legendaries to fill up the diagram so they shoved a few pseudos in.
>>56694732beat me to it
>>56694710They are the demigods and heroes like Theseus
>>56694710Metagross, Latios and Latias are tied to Atlantis.
>>56694732And Gyarados
>>56694710>Garchomp in Dabu's spot and not Darkrai, which literally share the same katakana>Heatran being here at all and if it was here, it would take Garchomp's place>>56694760Gyarados at least based on an actual myth. The real robbery was Arcanine
>>56694710it's outdated anyways.here's my proposals:Kyogre;Xerneas: Birth All life born in the ocean Pairs: Latios/Latias Mythicals: Mew and Manaphy Rayquaza;Zygarde: Life All life strives to ascends to the heavens Pairs: Zacian/Zamazenta Mythicals: Celebi and Jirachi Groudon;Yveltal: Death All life dissolve into the soil. Pairs: Cresselia/Darkrai Mythicals: Marshadow and Hoopa Lower right circle: The Nature Incarnate trio, with Enamorus in the center
>>56694710they helped shaping the world.they don't anymore.just like groudon and kyogre are not needed anymore.
>>56694710>Those leaks can't contain wrong documents>GF really couldn't make up some unnamed legendaries Some people are just so gullible
>>56694710Groudon's servants represent the moon since it's just a big rock that keeps the ocean in check via tides.
>>56694710FUCK GAYRADOS TOTAL GAYRADOS DEATH
>>56694710>random>he doesn't know
>>56694710Shaymin and Manaphy are in each other's spot retard.
>>56694760Gyarados and Snorlax (which was the other option mentioned in one of the written-out myths) pretty much have pseudolegend status in gen 1 and 2. Gyarados has the highest BST (tied with Cloyster) of any non-legendary gen 1 pokemon aside from Dragonite, is featured in both Lance and Blue's teams, and had the Red Gyarados encounter in gen 2. Snorlax has the roadblock encounters in gen 1 and 2 and, despite having a much lower BST, was one of the most dominant and powerful pokemon in gen 2 competetive battling. That's something Game Freak staff would have known by the time this lore was created, so I imagine it had some level of impact on Snorlax being the choice as a spirit/god holding up the sky.
>>56694814>"realist" pokemon tard>rage and shit opinionszero surprise
>>56694710My question is why Heatran and not Darkrai?
>>56694710Local deities like a river god/spirit.
>>56694863Snubbing Salamence for Gyarados is also pretty retarded, but as a Metagross supremacist, I can turn a blind eye to this slaughter of Salamencesissies.
>>56694710They were probably thinking of making a cool circle for the Sinnoh myth legends first and then filled it with strong looking mons that tangentially fit later on. Notice how none of what’s written on that doc comes up in the actual games beyond “WAOW cool circle!!!” in HGSS. Weather trio in the final game doesn’t even have any connection to Creation trio despite Gamefreak really wanting them to be related to the titanomachia in some older drafts.
>>56694892>Metagross is the last time Pseudos got to be anything but Dragons and gets to be the based Antikythera MechanismSeriously what's their fucking obsession with dragons? At the very least Goodra is the Lou Carcolh, but why are Kommo-o, Dragapult and ESPECIALLY Baxcalibur like that?
>>56695026Before fairy, it was the boss type.See how many legendaries are dragons.
>>56694710Honestly I don't think they really represent the Pokemon themselves, but the regions they come from. Latios, Latias, and Metagross=Hoenn=Land=KyogreGarchomp, Cresselia, and Heatran=Sinnoh=Land=GroudonDragonite, Gyarados, and Tyranitar=Kanto/Johto=Sky=Rayquaza
>>56694863I saw someone say that this diagram was created before Darkrai in development
>>56694802It’s all a rich tapestry. Groudon’s servants controlling magma and masses of earth and rock. Kyogre’s servants are protectors of the sea tied to the cut Greek Atlantis concept, with Metagross revealed to be based on the Antikythera mechanism. Meanwhile, Rayquaza’s servants populate and rule far above in the skies. Dragonite, Gyarados, and… Tyranitar.
>>56695109>Tyranitarmountains
>>56695095this
>>56694732why include Cresselia but not Darkrai?
>>56694710Garchomp is wrong, that spot is Darkrai.
>>56695141It was made earlier in the development, Giratina didn't exist and Cresselia was sun themed.
>>56695083Yeah but most of the dragons I listed came AFTER the Fairy type. They're still obsessed for whatever reason
>>56694787yes, they don't need to be legendaries to help like tools.
>>56695141Layers/spheres of physical worldCresselia: MoonGarchomp: Base landHeatran: Earth’s interiorYes I made this up.
>>56695153>Cresselia>Cress>Sun themed
>>56695160It similar to how bug still the weak jrpg enemy.>>56695193It is possible to be.Sun = saan.Earth = GordonMoon = dahabu>>56695213Proto name was "saan"
gyarados got in instead of salamence because salamence is a bitch
>>56695270Hey that’s not nice
tyranitar, metagross and dragonite are fug's buddies
>>56695289salamence has chickin wings
>>56695258Yeah, the moon, sun, earth interpretation is the theory that makes the most sense by far.
>>56695290Metagross is from Atlantis.
>>56695297Salamence has feelings!
>>56695306The stars are also under him.
>>56695258>>56695306So Heatran is out and Darkrai is in? How does Gordon mean earth and same with the d word one?
>>56695193Haven't we basically confirmed Dahabu is Darkrai at this point though? Because of its placeholder in battle revolution.
>>56694760>>56694768>>56694840>ArcanineDemilegendary>Gyarados>SnorlaxSemidemilegendaries
>>56694710So if this is the explanation for the creation of all pokemon how do legendaries from gen 5 and onward exist? They're just random seemingly powerful pokemon that came to exist out of nowhere?
>>56694775anything past Gen IV is not canon
Early draft.
>>56695109Tyranitar could only be found in/on Mt. Silver (Fujiyama) which is the highest point in Poke-Japan (I think?).They still could have considered Salamence.
>>56695332Gordon is Heatran. not Garchomp i think.
>>56695375>how do legendaries from gen 5 and onward exist?they simply aren't canonnothing from gen5 onward matters in the grand scheme
>>56695332Dahabu is a misspelled dahaku, a.k.a Drakai.Saan is Cresselia.Gordon we have no idea, but it is likely heatran.Grondon seems to have the earth and the heavens under him.World (heatran), the sun (saan/cresselia), the moon (dahabu/drakai) and the stars (jirachi and deoxys)
>>56695026>Goodrahighest pseudo base stat ever>Kommo-oonly mon with an on-command omniboost aside from Falinks>Dragapultone of the fastest non-legendaries ever made>Baxcaliburalmost as strong as Groudon, has 2 out of the ~4 most broken offensive typings in the game, and has one of the most feature-ful abilities in the game specifically tailored to its obvious role. Also one of only 3 pseudo-legendaries with an explicit weather synergy.
>>56695509>>56694710why aren't manaphy and celebi switched
>>56695378Gen 4 is not canon either
>>56695531Goodra is 600 bst
>>56695559it's the confirmed direct sequel to gen 3stop seethin'
>>56695570l2r
>>56694710I love have NOBODY actually read the canon script for the games that both explains this, Regigigas lore, the flame/Earth plate, the Legends Arceus stuff, and the way the Sinjoh Sigil is with the leaked data.pmyth05.2"Ausu" explains the non-legendaries in detail which is why it is canon. >Aus and Giants are born from Cosmic Egg>Aus kills Giants and makes all of them but Normal Giant into Plates>Aus creates Ea and Ia for time and space>Ea and Ia create Lake Trio>Lake Trio are given the seed of life by Ea and Ia, they nurture to create the Tree of Life, leading to pokemon and Humans budding of it.>Tree of Life expands infinitely growing its branch(Xernas) because its Roots expand endlessly consuming everything on Earth (Yveltal) so the Lake Trio have to chop it down>Without the Tree of Life, the Lake Trio have to make a sustainable world for Pokemon and Humans>Take the Wood of the Tree of life to create a God of the Sky (Rayquaza), God of the Sea(Kyogre), God of the Land(Groudon) Rayquaza moved and created the winds, which became personified in a pokemon: DragoniteKyogre moved and created the waves, which became personified in a pokemon: GyaradosGroudon moved and created the Quakes, which became personified in a pokemon: TyranitarThe layout of the mon aren't necessarily correct. The Would actually align with the 3 realms of Land/sea/sky>SkyDragonite (Wind), Cresslia (Moon), ???>SeaGyarados (wave) Latios/as (Atlantis)>LandTyranitar (Quakes) Heatran (Magma/Core) Metagross (Metals) The document isn't finalized as it is a WIP but that is the general gist of it.
>>56695432>>56695509The katakana for Gordon can also be read as Goodon. Someone pointed out that Camerupt used to have Goodon as a beta name, it probably got reused for Heatran during development since they're both volcano-inspired Pokemon
>>56695657...I said outdated, as in generations: Not as depicted/planned for GenIV.
>>56695446life force trio said hi.
>>56695624Metagross is clearly associated with the Lati@s. You had something plausible going until the end. The picture clearly groups them together, same with Rayquaza’s cohort. I do ask though, what is the flame/earth plate stuff about?
>>56695657Kana doesn't match (グードン vs. ゴードン) and all of the established current Pokemon in the chart use their actual names. All the names not associated with a Pokemon in the Aus tree are 100% Sinnohmons
>>56695624>pmyth05.2"Ausu" explains the non-legendaries in detail which is why it is canon. No it's full of obvious mistakes that pmyth 1 ACTUALLY explains.First mistake of 5.2>so the Lake Trio have to chop it downIn the document it says that Ry coiled around the tree and the other 2 smashed it. Doesn't make sense with Ry's body but document 1 explains it because it wasn't the lake trio but the weather trio who destroyed it and it was Rayquaza who coiled around it.Doc 5.2>レイはその体を樹に巻きつけた。Doc 1>レックウザはその体を生命の樹に巻き付けた。Second mistake of 5.2 and also you I guess mixing things up.>Without the Tree of Life, the Lake Trio have to make a sustainable world for Pokemon and Humans>Take the Wood of the Tree of life to create a God of the Sky (Rayquaza), God of the Sea(Kyogre), God of the Land(Groudon) In Doc 5.2 Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon exist before the tree of life (with no explanation but are said to be Ia and Ea's children) and create the world>イアとエアは、樹の欠片に三匹の子を使わした。>天空の神レックウザ。大地の神グラードン。大海の神カイオーガ。>三匹の神が吠えると、砕けた樹の破片はそれぞれ空と地と海に変化した。In Doc 1 it's explained that Rayquaza, Kyogre, Groudon are created to destroy the tree after Ia and Ea mate then the lake trio make the world with a prayer.>エアとイアは再び交わり、3人の子を成した。>天空の神レックウザ、大地の神グラードン、大海の神カイオーガが産まれた。(I'm skipping destruction of tree lines)>レイ、アイ、ハイは、生命の樹がこのまま朽ちることを悲しみ、祈りを捧げた。>すると、砕けた生命の樹は、それぞれ空と地と海に変化した。Third mistake of 5.2 and also error on 1Doc 5.2 makes the mistake of Dragonite, Gyarados, Tyranitar being given to each individual weather tree instead of only Rayquaza and the other 2 getting their own ones.Doc 1 makes the mistake of Snorlax instead of Gyarados.The diagram which came after both documents by date (made in august while the rest are before) aligns more with document 1 giving each 3 and only differentiates on Snorlax vs Gyarados.
>>56695752
>>56695807>weather treeobviously I meant weather trio
>>56695822Post Groudon's too plz bb
>>56695752>I do ask though, what is the flame/earth plate stuff aboutThey are made from the giants mentioned in another creation myth.
>>56695807One thing I personally think is that the tree of life idea came back in gen 6. The tree breaking into three parts as Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde (Birth, Death, and Growth). Nothing in the docs to substantiate that though, I think.
>>56695846dont have it now, but the Groundon one has groundon, latias and metagross again, for some reason.It is fun that the kyogre one has the 3 group up, but I believe the image is just a color test or something
>>56695856The tao trio is also from a reused myth, where Palkia was the yin half and Dialga as the yang.Which explains their types.
>>56695624I see the non-legends as minions on the image. They helped to create land, sea and sky, but have no power over them and are not gods or legends themselves. Their descendents nowadays are stronger than normal pokemons tho (sudolegends/powerhouses)
>>56695883Yeah it's a scratchpad, though it does imply what we figured that Groudon/Kyogre replaced the Latis as the game's mascots and why they stuck with the R/B dynamic
>>56695912I think they are like the ancient heroes and demigods from Greek mythology.
>>56695822Also, I found it interesting to notice the similarity in colors between kyoge and latios, also the similarity in the arms of proto-metang and latios
>>56695807you are reading pmyth05.2 which is different from pmyth05.2アウス>https://tcrf.net/Development:Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl/Documents#pmyth05.2.E3.82.A2.E3.82.A6.E3.82.B9.doc_.28Ausu.29This is the story that aligns with everything in the game.三人の神は、樹がこのまま朽ち消えることを惜しみ、祈りを捧げた。イアとエアは、樹の欠片に三匹の子を使わした。天空の神レックウザ。大地の神グラードン。大海の神カイオーガ。三匹の神が吠えると、砕けた樹の破片はそれぞれ空と地と海に変化した。>The three gods were sad to see the tree decay and disappear like this, and offered a prayer.>Ea and Ia sent their three children to the pieces of the tree.>Rayquaza, god of the sky. Groudon, god of the earth. Kyogre, god of the sea.>When the three gods roared, the pieces of the tree transformed into the sky, earth, and sea.
>>56695916Feel like they are the proto raidons.
>>56694814>Gyarados used Ice Fang!
>>56694863It's Camerupt
>>56695945>you are reading pmyth05.2 which is different from pmyth05.2アウスThere's no difference between the two, they're the same document.
>>56694988https://youtu.be/xZQ0D7z7KsE?si=AULlh8131c3HhblM
>>56695952So who is saan?
>>56696002
>>56696002https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ic1ouf6tqU
>>56694710They're minor helper gods. Pseudo legendaries aren't really different from minor legendaries like Latios and Heatran, they're just slightly less rare.
>>56695807why are you saying errors when the thing we infer is what aligns with game not 1 or 5.1 or 5.2 being correct in a vacuum.5.1 and 5.2 are correct on >Flame/Earth Plate references to Cosmic Egg/Giants(plural)5.2 is correct in not having any direct references to lovemaking or Kamiyonanayo breeding, as the final builds of the game remove all possible references to this in both Sinnoh Folk Story 3 and the Froslass tale in Arceus. In those parts, pmyth1 and 5.1 are wrong. pmyth1 is definitely wrong about the Weather Trio's fate after the tree of life and about the servant Gods because they mention fucking snorlax while 5.2 directly explains gyarados, Tyranitar, and Dragonite.But we do know that Metagross, Latios, and Latias are Atlantis. Also we can tell from the way Xernas, Yveltal, and the ancient war of pokemon went that the 5.2 is the basis for that, which means that it is correct about the tree of life's fate.
>>56696282can we all just agree that pmyth03.doc is the least accurate to the in game lore because humans somehow appear in primordial time to fuck Arceus and it was written by the same Yuu who did the other pokemon fucking stories?
>>56696309Yuu was e translation error
>>56696309>it was written by the same Yuu who did the other pokemon fucking stories?You moron, it was all written by *Suguru
About the extra legendaries, some are local myths and legends like the momotaro group.
>>56694760Gyaradosing out is an important part of creation myth read the fucking bible
>>56694710Id so far and say that even Lugia and Ho-Oh are place holders
>>56694760He is literally the waves, an extension of Kyogre. Read the pmyths. Tyranitar is the quakes, an extension of Groudon.Dragonite is the winds, an extension of Raquaza.
>>56696408Lugia and the birds gained their place after the second movie.Same for celebry and suicune
>>56696282>pmyth1 is definitely wrong about the Weather Trio's fate after the tree of life I don't know why you bring this up when they have the same fate in 5.2, they turn into a pillar, rock, and water vein with some minor differences on the wording.Doc 1:>レックウザは空を頂く主柱と姿を変えた。>グラードンは地を覆う盤石と姿を変えた。>カイオーガは海を抱く水脈と姿を変えた。Doc 5.2:>レックウザは天を頂く主柱へと姿を変えた。>グラードンは地を覆う盤石へと姿を変えた。>カイオーガは海を抱く水脈へと姿を変えた。>because they mention fucking snorlax while 5.2 directly explains gyarados, Tyranitar, and Dragonite.And then doc 5.2 leaves out the other ones that are clearly in the diagram and document 1>But we do know that Metagross, Latios, and Latias are Atlantis. uh okay? that just proves document 1 more since doucment 5.2 makes no reference to Kyogre's relation to them.>and the ancient war of pokemon went that the 5.2 is the basis for thatThat scenario started with document 4 not 5.2.
>>56696455we have to prune which parts are true from the game, not from the docs orders or our own biases towards one or the other. Its clearly a mish-mash of them, but certain parts are the hidden lore to the game like the Earth Plate and the Flame plate explaining the cosmic egg and the Giants as well as the great pokemon war and tree of life explaining Xernas, Yveltal, and the ultimate weapon.
>>56695799>Kana doesn't match (グードン vs. ゴードン)Huh, I managed to find the doc and you're right. It guess we could still say it's Heatran, since he's the last Gen 4 legendary not on the list. It would be weird if GF left him out.>>56695730I think you replied to the wrong post
>>56696566You mean the mainline games, not just GenIV, right?
>>56696601Heatran feels kind of an afterthought.
>>56694710What about the Mythicals? Why are they placed in the corners and pairs that they are?
How do they fit into the lore?
>>56696763They're extinct pokemon.
>>56696691Ocean water is a source of life (Mew), and Atlantis is lost in time (celebry)Groundon is associated with heaven (Jirachi and deoxys)Shaymin is the sky warrior, and manaphy is linked to seafaring.
>>56696794Those mythicals aren't supposed to be part of the weather trio's domains, they're from the outer galaxy as invisible gods.
What was his endgame? Also game with regigigas as the boxart legend when?
>>56696826>birthlee>manaphy is the only one capable of birth.What were they planning?
>>56694710the mons used are so obviously forced. >guess we will put mythicals over there because they don't have a theme that connects them at all>fuck we have to use pseudos here to represent other gens>wait gen 1 only has 1 pseudo? Guess Gyarados is going inand several years after this it makes even less sense now
>>56696978With a few exceptions like deoxys or Mew, mysticals are just small cute critters to sell events.
>>56694710when you stop and think about it, Arceus was meant to be the third legendary; only for GF to realize that they gave their player an OP monster. So they made Giratina part of the creation duo (now trio) while Arceus promoted to mythical status.
>>56697021>Mew>Not a small cute critterWhat
>>56697070Many speculate that Mew is the Ancestor of most of the Pokémon on the planet.
>>56694710THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. THIS IS UNFAIR
>>56696009beta absol
>>56697070I meant that Mew actually "exists".
>>56697100>>56697307Should've taken part in creation instead of jerking off over how horrible your nightmares are.
why does this placement remind me of purifying pokemon on pokemon xd
>>56697100Darkrai’s the emo sibling who doesn’t get invited
>>56698857>xdleave
>>56694710>Heatran instead of Darkrai Retardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot-u1X8V2Q8Darkrai and Cresselia were literally originally supposed to be a roaming duo like Latios/Latias It’s obviously them alongside Garchomp like how gen 3 has the latis + Metagross
>>56695141Because OP is retarded
>>56695338Qrd?
Anything after Masuda took over for Gen 2 is non-canon.
>>56694710They are that BASED
>>56699050replace Garchomp with Heatran and I'll take it
>>56699090Each gen has a pseudo though. The only way Heatran makes sense is if the theories about it originally being a pseudo are true. What makes it more likely to be in it than Garchomp?
should have been the crystal onix that only showed up in the anime instead of gyarados
>>56699070nta butDarkrai's beta name from Revolution is ダーク which is just Dark but would be Dahaku if spelled like the DahabuDahabu in the document and graphic is ダーブ which means the difference would be a single character of Ku vs BuNow my own schizo thoery is that there is a possibility that in the early stage before it was Darkrai and before it was just Dark it was going to be Dark + Boo
>>56699050>Darkrai and Cresselia.Strange how they are new moon and crescent moon, it feels like something is missing.
>>56696888Unironically I buy the Regigigas=PokePrometheus theory so probably just to be a dick to Arceus's kids when he can theoretically justify it so she isn't allowed to get mad about it and otherwise take naps/occasionally teach humans how to make Pokemon Pipebombs to send Arceus in the mail.
>>56697100From what I understand Darkrai could replace Heatran. The translation is shaky.
>>56694710>retards are gonna overthink this like they did with arcanine and dragonite back in the daythe patternfag struggle
Surprised there's no mention of Unown at all in any of these drafts, considering how the final game and the anime makes a big deal about them being connected to Arceus.
>>56694710How would you do it now that we have enough legendaries to fill the spots?
>>56699912Add more circles and triangles
>>56695109rayquaza's guys mirror itself kyogre and groudon
>>56699823Arcanine makes more sense once you notice it is a komainu.
>>56699912Some legendaries are just random powerful pokemon. The original dragon is connected to arceus, though.
>>56701325>The original dragon is connected to arceus, though.How so?
>>56695153Where did the sun theme come from? Is this a new development?
>>56701350The ancient king is a symbol of god/arceus, and her plates could be found around.The tao trio matches the pokemyth were Dialga/Palkia are split halves of Arceus.
>>56701357Some theorized it because Cresselia's proto name apparently is saan.
>>56699892There's the one Gen 3 concept art but you're right, GF must have gotten bored with them quickly after Gen 2.
>>56701843Strangely enough they were featured in the movies.
>>56701350Because h likes Unova and he's desperate to ride on Sinnoh's coattails for relevancy.
>>56699892
>>56699912something like this
>>56701927fuck kanto am i rite?
>>56701953Kanto/johto were made before the legendary creepy.
>>56701927 (Me)forgot to mention it but that empty spot with the asterisk represents the Ruinous Quartet.>>56701953i think the legendary birds were retconned into being rare and powerful animals after the series got more proper weather gods in the Forces of Nature. i mean if they're demigods made by Lugia, then why does Galar have another set of them?Mew I think is a common ancestor to other pokemon. it's one of the first forms of life to inhabit the world but is not itself divine.and Mewtwo was made in a lab by humans.
>>56694863mythical are not legendaries
>>56702059The birds suffered more from the weather trio, before they were the world destroyers ones.>Ruinous Quartet.I wouldn't put either SV quartet in it.The momotaro one was killed for a long while.
>>56695378Explains why V is so much better than anything that came before or after.
>>56695375>So if this is the explanation for the creation of all pokemon how do legendaries from gen 5 and onward exist? They're just random seemingly powerful pokemon that came to exist out of nowhere?Everything past gen 4 takes place outside of Japan this stuff is just the Japanese myth
>>56695952No it's not it's a gen 4 mon
>>56698857Because circles
>>56699912Other legendries are other national myths as you've noticed we've not had a Japan gen since 4
>>56694710Why didn't they update it in PLA?
>>56702278Same reason ORAS didn't update character agesIt's still correct
>>56699254It could also easily be a typo in the docIn any case this basically confirms Dahabu to be Darkrai, which in turns confirms Cresselia being in there as well
>>56699892Unowns are a tool Arceus used for creation, not gods themselves
>>56694710Crappy lore top to bottom. Even "Somehow Palpatine returned" was better writing.
