Why do people here say GF hates Johto?The johto mon have gotten a lot of attention, it's just the starters that are lacking
because they needed special attention to not be shiti can't imagine living in a world without sinnoh's crossgens, where so many gen 2 pokemon are single-stage shitters. how miserable that must be.
what did raikou and entei get that suicune didn't
>>56785218>Why do people here say GF hates Johto?"most people" being the one insecure johto fanboy who spams daily false-flag shitposts.
Not to derail the thread but looking at this makes me realize how many shitmon gen 3 has. Sure johto has a few but you remember the sableyes, the volbeats, the cradily and you have to wonder what the design team was up to sometimesJohto pokemon are annoyingly weak but at least they're nice to look at
>>56785252Gouging fire & Raging bolt
>>56785268>"most people" being the one insecure johto fanboy who spams daily false-flag shitposts.One of them is a buttmad falseflagger, some of them are shartyfags who can't discuss the series on their sekrit club
>>56785292Suicune also got a fucking paradox??????
>>56785292i don't even blame you for forgetting walking wake. i wish i could forget it happened, too
>>56785314Whoops I forgot about that guy
>>56785218>suicune>got nothinguhhhh
>>56785285johto pokemon swing wildly between the two extremes of "complete shit" and "borderline broken" the shit gets more attention because most of the really good ones are evos for gen 1 pokemon, and half of them are trade evos.meanwhile hoenn is just a heap of bad and worse, but there's more to pick from so you have a better chance at finding something that kind of works.sinnoh would be in a similar boat to johto except they frontload a bunch of good shit right at the start of the game. the sinnoh meme team is a thing because everything that comes later is either a pain in the ass to get or it just sucks. or both, if it's the honey mons.
>>56785218>get overshadowed by Gen 1 mons in their own games to the point were most pokefans think gen2 pokemon are all worthless garbage that need to be “saved” like this retard >>56785251>the fact that so many are cross gen evos instead of being allowed to stand are their own, why do bellosum and Scizor need to be tacked on to Kanto line, they don’t even look or play alike. >baby Pokémon being thing instead of using the dex space to stuff people actually want. For what purpose? Did they need to balance out the sheer power of Unown and Delibird? i get some of the babies and Magbyand Elekid are kino but who the fuck asked for igglybuff? >we get Kanto only games, but Johto has only ever been allowed to exist as a package deal with Kanto. Why? is johto not good enough to stand on this own or something? >Johto and Kanto are joined at the hip except when it’s time to hand out cool stuff or broken shit to the starters, then Johto mysteriously gets forgotten >speaking of starters, the devs allowed some perverted retard to write the most popular Gen 2 starter as a fucking pedophile. They wouldn’t dare pull that shit with Charizard or even a “lesser” fire starter like Emboar (emphasis on the quotes since I think Fire pig is underrated it’s only fire starter lower than typhlosion in the causal normie totem pole) I’m not saying they hate Gen2, I’m just saying they have a fairly ass-backwards way of showing their love for it. >>56785285Johto did a shit job at all shilling the new mons compared to Hoenn. Admittedly most Johtomons aren’t even that hard to get or see, but Hoenn mons didn’t have to compete with Kantomons for attention so no one shits on Hoennmons
>>56785402>to the point were most pokefans think gen2 pokemon are all worthless garbage that need to be “saved” like this retard >>56785251have you ever taken an aipom to the league? or a yanma? a gligar? would you use a togetic if it wasn't given to you for free?and those are just the ones that got evolutions.
>>56785218I wouldn't count the ! and ? Unown as being a "new form". It's not as they are functionally different from the A-Z Unown.
>>56785218Xatu got one of the abilities in the game in gen 5 which briefly gave it quite a bit of use in competitive, so there's that as well
>>56785218skarmory doesn't get anything because he's so badass he doesn't need anything and it would probably be broken if he did get it
>>56787223EhSkarmory is hard carried by having a good typing and high defense statThat's about all it has, its BST is 465, which is like actually lower than shitters like Vileplume and PolitoedI would like it to get a mega so it can do more than just sit in front of the enemy team and click Spikes
>>56787223Outclassed by a fucking route 1 bird.
>>56785218>LugiaDid you forget XD?
>>56785402>i get some of the babies and Magbyand Elekid are kino but who the fuck asked for igglybuff?I'm going to defend Cleffa on the basis that it prevents Clefable from ever getting an even more cancerous evolution, or being compatible with Eviolite. Imagine if we lived in that timeline.
>>56785218Its a lot of thingsJhoto itself feels smaller so they can tackle Kanto onMany of the mons in gen 2 have no evolution or are accessible only in the post gameGym leaders often refuse to use the new monsWhole level curve debackleJhoto is extremely soulful but always felt like an undercooked region
>>56785218>Why do people here say GF hates Johto?Because muh starters are shitmons
>>56785422I actually HAVE used those pokemon in the league, except yanma due to its 1% encounter rate.
>>56787240Even just raising its BST (+20 HP) like they did with Mantine would be enough
>>56787240you are downplaying having Spikes, Stealth Rock, Roost, Whirlwind/Roar, Brave Bird, Iron Defense + Body Press, and Sturdy
Friendly reminder that "the Johto starters deserve better" also applies to Meganium despite how much the community abhors it.No exceptions.
>>56790603All those things are valuable, but they also make Skarmory an extremely one dimensional and boring Pokemon to use. You always know exactly what it's going to do because that's the only thing it's good at doing
>>56788588>forest>at night>typhlosion
>>56790971People who pick Meganium are the type of niggas who wouldn't fuck a girl under the age of consent.
>>56791211Typhlosion is a good mon to have in that situation, A giant flame that it can turn on and off at will if an excellent light and heat source. Plus lets say you were, constantly harassed by people trying to attack you for shit you had nothing to do or stuff that didn't even happen, Typhlosion could burn those worthless pieces of shit alive. >>56791510>People who pick MeganiumI wish the best for all four of them
>>56791211>forest
>>56785218Lugia got the dark Lugia form.
>>56791577>>56787272It was a temporary form Lugia got cured from in a spinoff game, doesn't count
>>56791577Those games were Genius Sonority and they did wonders for Johto because they were deliberately designed along with Sevii to reintroduce the Johto mons missing from Gen 3 and Hoenn. But how Game Freak treats Johto is its own thing.
