Now that Japan has confirmed Regignosis, where do you think Zygarde will fit into the lore chart?
>>56785388>Now that [NONCANON FANFIC]
>>56785390>https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/w/index.php?title=%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AE%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B9&oldid=530013>https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/w/index.php?title=%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88&direction=next&oldid=267735Sorry buddy, Flame plate confirms it, Earth Plate confirms it, Legends Arceus confirms it, Japanese wiki confirms it and Japanese fans have been talking and posting about it for years. It just took the leak for us in english to bridge the gap lost in English Localization. Stop fighting it and learn give up your western localization fantasy where Regignosis doesn't exist.
>confirmedBy what - you nipponese doppelgangers? Newsflash - they're as much in the dark as you, moreso as they didn't know the giants spoken in the drafts were stated to NOT be pokémon.The "giants" are personifications of the elements the pokémon wield. that's why Arceus, the One Above All gains Mastery of them - Multitype allows it to draw from ALL the giants She defeated, while every other pokémon (save the one created in Her image) are only allowed acces to two at most.
>>56785415Sorry chum, L: A gives the full context for the scribblings you're basing your religion off.And it celebrates Arceus, not some shitter removals man.
>>56785415What other Sinnoh lore have Japs knows that we dont
>>56785438A lot apparently. English localizer deserve to be punished for their crime of depraving us Regignosis for years>>56785424Nobodies denying Aus won. Just acknowledging Regigigas' struggle.>>56785416Come back when you understand the hiragana for "Giant" and talk to Japanese fans on 2Chan. They think we're retarded for NOT seeing it this whole time. Regigigas' struggle against Arceus has been a meme to them for decades.
>>56785415How can I explain to you that the Teraleak's non-retained elements aren't canon, since they're not part of the final set? They're drafts, abandoned ideas, and there are 10 different versions that tell everything and its opposite.How can I explain that you adding a theory to the texts on the plates? Yes, there are defeated giants that seem to be linked to the plates, but canonically that's an unanswered data. Don't confuse reality, which are facts, with your theoretical headcanon.
>>56785500>Don't believe your own lying eyes!>Don't talk to Japanese fanbase who played the actual game without localization errors to find out how the story goes!>Don't notice the elements in game that go unexplained having an explanation in the leak 1-to-1.>Don't play Arceus Legends and see the literal in game connections that bring the plates and the leaks together via Regigigas' reactionsYou will never reach Regignosis. Unlike pokefucking, this isn't a draft. This is the missing lore for the unexplained things in the game. We know of the giants and how they connect to Regigigas and you can just talk to any Japanese fan to know that. We've just been mislead in the West by bad translations.
Pokemon lore is fucking shit and half of this isn't even canon or has plot holes
>>56785462I was lurking. It still doesn't explain how regis existed before Arceus, the Original One, who breathed alone before spinning out Creation. That leaks confirmed the Legendary pokémon are a Pantheon, each lower level in service to the higher tiers with Arceus at the top. Once again, for the very slow children, the giants were not Regis. They were akin to the Titans in Greek mythology - primordial forces that existed in the void, that attacked Arceus on Her hatching (when the universe was created, its shards became this Plate), when She defeated them, She absorbed the ability to wield all their powers (It gathers power from the Plates) as well as unleashing that same power upon Her creation (the power of defeated giants infuses this plate). If the Plates boost elemental powers and the giants aren't pokemon, as stated by Game Freak, the ONLY correct conclusion is the giants were creatures of the 18 elemental Types, otherwise it's contradicting canon.Pity you couldn't take a critical thinking class when you went to weeb class too.
>>56785388This is fanfiction and goes against the established canon and the leak. The Regies are servants of Aus.
>>56785552In that case, you're going to send me a text from the game right away, clearly explaining that Regigigas confronted Arceus at the moment of his birth. If you can't, then you're proving that this is just a headcanon theory.
How exactly did the English localization mess up on the lore front? I only know about the finalized Canalave Library pokemon marrying story getting censored.
>>56785566>Hes so slow he can't differentiate Aus from Arceus>He can't even comprehend that the Cosmic eggs are the giants, co-equal with Aus in terms of existing but no equals in powerLearn the hiragana, talk to actual Japanese fans rather than sniffing your own mistranslated shit with other Westerners, and realize that the wiki in Japanese acknowledges Regigigas and his connection to the plates and giants for a reason. If you played Arceus Legends you would know that Arceus is just a fraction of Aus' power and not the real genuine Omnipotent God born of the cosmic egg. This is just the form Aus takes in the physical realm which is why you can interact and catch them, just like the kotoamatsukami it is based off of in Shinto Theology.
>The Japanese wiki that questions the relevance of their own theory due to the existence of the normal-type plate in PLA. >There is no text that clearly states that Regigigas is one of the multiple giants that were defeated and then changed into plate. This is a fan's deduction, which falls under the heading of theory and headcanon due to the use of the word “giant”.>There is no text that speaks of a “god's curse” to diminish Regigigas. It's just that he's slow to get going because he spends his time sleeping, to the point where he's been compared to a statue. Just as Varoom has Slow Start because his engine is slow to start.>Drafts and non-retained ideas, whatever the variant, are not canon, as they don't appear in the games. And if one day this part is integrated, it will inevitably be reworked and reinterpreted, as it always is, and it will be this content that will be a fact.Some fans will do anything to make us swallow their bullshit. Fortunately, there are people who know the difference between dreams/theory and reality/fact.
>>56785609Just ask the Japanese themselves:>https://youtube.com/watch?v=BAOetAv1uQYLiterally the all the videos in Japanese on the lore of pokemon universe's creation on youtube explain the war with the Giants how Regigigas' is cursed for his part in it.If you as a mistranslated gaijin want to challenge the people who play the genuine article on the lore, by all means, go ahead
I'll biteThere's clearly a physics based theme surrounding the creation trio, with palkia and dialga representing space and time respectively and giratina representing antimatter, with its banishment calling to mind baryon asymmetry and baryogenesis. Note that none of those three represent matter itself, but seeing giratina's canon lust for revenge against arceus, and knowing that matter and antimatter obliterate each other on contact I'm guessing arceus represents matter, alongside the big bang, creation deities and in general the universe itself. If the regis represent anything, what would that be? The elements of the periodic table with the monotypic regis each representing different elements (although probably none specifically, ice, rock and steel aren't elements after all) is my guess. If I go with this then of course the question is what does regigigas in particular represent? I would guess the three "original" elements, hydrogen, helium, and lithium, forming immediately after the big bang, but hydrogen in particular, with regigigas "creating" the other regis reflecting how all other elements would only be formed through (hydrogen and helium) stars. The plates (maybe z-crystals too? they also change arceus's type after all) could again represent all the different elements, with arceus being able to change types reflecting how matter can be in many different forms, but that just makes me wonder what the legend plate is, on which I have no clue other then it represents nothing in particular and I'm thinking too much into this/GF didn't really care about the physics theme making it in particular. Still don't particular believe the titans = regigigas theory really but I thought I'd give my two cents anyway
i believe regigigas is the giant because i like regigigas and want him to be importantand yes i am crying while i type this
>>56785879>If you as a mistranslated gaijin want to challenge the people who play the genuine article on the lore, by all means, go aheadI don't, I'm just asking what the localization fucked up and omitted that caused English fans to not know about the Regigigas Arceus egg stuff like Japanese did even before the leaks.
>>56785390actual denialism moment
>>56785879We don't really care about authority arguments that require asking any individual. We want clear and explicit facts from the game, not stupid popular theories and headcanons. With your methods, we can make the theory of the Vaporeon, Flareon and Jolteon in the towers of Johto believe to be real, when nothing factually confirms it.
>>56785921the hiragana in the game for "giants" on the plates is the same hiragana used in the category type for Regigigas which would lead someone with actual reading comprehension in Japanese to realize that they are one and the same. This is the conclusion that Japanese players come to because this is not lost on them in their mother tongue but is to you when it is translated without the proper context for you to make that association. You can even read the comments in a lot of videos about Regigigas' appearance in Arceus Legends and people complain "the game takes place all the way back in ancient times but Regigigas is already sealed and we don't get any more context to the giants?! What a cop-out!" as if it is a defacto accepted notion based on the lingual association between the flame plate (and not the leak) and Regigigas.
>>56785390This
>>56786048That's exactly what I thought. There is absolutely NOTHING concrete. It's just a theory based on a single word, in a Pokédex classification which just wants to highlight a being of colossal size, because it is the leader of the golems. There is no question of primordial titans when we talk about Regigigas. You know that Arcanine isn't really a legendary Pokemon?
>>56786135Proceed to continue with your lack of understanding of the source material's language Westie. I'm gonna keep talking to the people who play the actual source material rather than mistranslations missing context. English/Western conversation on the lore is moot until they realize the context they are missing. Regigigas is the same kind of "Giant" that is spoke of on the plate, and thats just the facts in actual Japanese, regardless of how much people want to pretend one version of the leaks saying "Giants aren't pokemon' somehow invalidates what is actually written in the game in Japanese.
what do anons gain from denying the facts in front of them? icefox impersonator, yawntranny, now this faggot. you are not interesting or funny, just pitiable
>>56785388dude the original giant died and became Mt. Coronet.
>>56786048>the hiragana in the game for "giants" on the plates is the same hiragana used in the category type for Regigigas which would lead someone with actual reading comprehension in Japanese to realize that they are one and the same.Meanwhile bulbapedo has a page for the Regis outright calling them giants but has zero mention of the plates.Failure of a wiki.
>>56786168In other words, you are simply living in denial because you want your theory to be real. However, it is not based on any concrete and irrefutable assertion.You can pretend to believe for as long as you want that a word has only one possible use, but that will never make it true.
>>56786048ok so you accepted a headcanon as fact simply because that headcanon was made by the Japanese. Still no proof that it's what the creators intended, Japanese players can make stupid headcanons too you know.
>>56785798The comment that accurately sums up the situation and demystifies everything.
>>56786200Its not their fault, it wasn't conveyed correctly in the translations to English because it is a subtle thing. >>56786208>>56786219How is it headcanon when the flame plate, the earth plate, the Legends Arceus interactions with the plates and Regigigas all coincide with what is described in pmyth5.2"Ausu" and is already the implied story by the Japanese text and accepted as fact by the Japanese people playing the games?There is everything pointing TOWARDS Regignosis and nothing against it based on the games, the leaks, and the way it is interpreted by the people who actually speak and understand the language the game was written in. You can run away to English forums all you like, but Regignosis will still be fact of life in Japan where people know the game's actual text and lore.
>>56786288Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you. But please be honest and talk about theory. So either you're trolling, or you're as stupid as Imaginationfag who couldn't tell the difference between their headcanon theory and concrete reality.
>>56786181Because some people farm attention by being contrarian faggots for the stupidest of topics.Looks at trannies. The LOVE the attention they get, no matter how negative.Narcissists are energetic and spiritual parasites.
>>56786288So does that make the Blank Plate in L:A a fragment of Gigas' power?He got double nerfed. Sad.
>>56786288Even without perfect translations a connection should still have been inferred when LA came out with three plates acting as keys to Snowpoint Temple and Regigigas holding the missing normal type plate.
>>56786393No, it's just a flaw that invalidates your theory. Blank Plate is no different from other plates.
>>56786433It's just a reference to the types in the original Regis trio which are marks on Regigigas' body. Other plates are held by many other Pokemon that are not related.
>Denialtards still shitting and coping over thisWhy are people denying good lore? it makes no sense to me.>"No, the mythos MUST be shit!"???
>>56786480I think it's because they're simps for Arceus.Basically ever since the Pokefucking leaks they want the Arceus human-fucking origin to be the correct, whether it's true or not.In order to do so, however, they need to discredit every other "faith" so to speak so that theirs can be accepted as the correct one.Just look at twitter/X and see people denying the truth for nothing more that "I don't like it therefore it's not true". It's postmodernism at it's core. Basically no different to what happened to Christianity. If we are the Gnostics, they are Paul and the Pharisees trying to subvert the Truth and insert their own ideology.
>>56786480It is precisely because you have no perspective on your theories and headcanon that in the end you end up whining.Imaginationfag did it, they were confronted with the wall of reality. We are not opposed to having "good lore", we just remain lucid about the elements that are presented.
>>56786543>The elements that are presentedYou've been presented with elements that justify the Gigas theories, so what gives? Why do you still deny?
>>56786605Everything was debunked without the slightest effort. There's nothing concrete, you're just extrapolating for “giant” in the Regigigas category.It's ultra-light and ambiguous. Until it's written in black and white in a Game Freak video game that Regigigas is one of the giants who were defeated by Arceus when he was born, it's nothing more than a theory.There is NOTHING difficult for any normally constituted human being to understand.
i acknowledge your regi fanboyism but you can't make me believe your fanfic just because some jap youtubers made some retarded videos
>>56786288the IN-GAME exclusive informations and the only thing we have to go on is that the flame plate says it is infused with the power of a defeated "giant/colossus", and Regigigas is called the "giant/colossus pokémon" and what >>56786433 said. that's not enough to confirm anything but it's a possibility.
>>56785388The artwork that was made from the leaks are funny. Never would've took Regigigas being akin to the Frenzy flame.
>>56786630>Debunk: (Verb) to expose the falseness of a concept.What did you falsify? The claim is extremely strong from what OP is putting down as evidence in the games, in the japanese community, and the leaks. Its not concrete but it is damn sure the closest thing to knowing the meaning behind the plates.Why are you acting like proof in the direction of Regigigas being connected to the giants is some absolute value you have to kill when the time period between Arceus Legends and the cracking of the Cosmic egg have never been shown but we have things that are closely related to them? Yeah they won't be known for an absolute fact until either GF makes a statement on it or it appears in game, but OP is on to something here. Let em cook.
>>56786630Not everything is held at criminal court standards of proof. Not even other courts.There is nothing concrete, - at least your standard of concrete which is the games saying that Regis is one of the giants - yes, but there is enough evidence to link the two together to the point that there's likely some connection.
>>56786527>Basically ever since the Pokefucking leaks they want the Arceus human-fucking origin to be the correct, whether it's true or not.I thought we were blending the two? Arceus fights giants, then goes and gets laid
>>56786912He can't handle Typhlosion being a pedophile, so he has to discredit the leaks entirely.
>>56786197That was Giratina
>>56787099Yeah, they don't really contradict or anything, so there's no need for them to stand opposed
>>56787116From what I've seen there's two breeds of fags desperate to memory hole the entire leak.1. Typhlosionfags2. Kalosfags (some but not all)
>>56785462>RegignosisWhat the fuck does this mean? What is this suffic "-nosis" have to do with anything? I'd understand if you portmanteaud "titanomachy" or something. But wtf is this?
>>56786912>The Japanese wiki that questions the relevance of their own theory due to the existence of the normal-type plate in PLA.>There is no text that clearly states that Regigigas is one of the multiple giants that were defeated and then changed into plate. This is a fan's deduction, which falls under the heading of theory and headcanon due to the use of the word “giant”.>There is no text that speaks of a “god's curse” to diminish Regigigas. It's just that he's slow to get going because he spends his time sleeping, to the point where he's been compared to a statue. Just as Varoom has Slow Start because his engine is slow to start.>Drafts and non-retained ideas, whatever the variant, are not canon, as they don't appear in the games. And if one day this part is integrated, it will inevitably be reworked and reinterpreted, as it always is, and it will be this content that will be a fact.Also take the time to read the thread, every argument and theory has been confronted with its own inconsistencies.
>>56787157RETARD, Giratina is alive and well in the gamesall those original giants are long dead and their bodies/energies were used by Arceus
>>56788382I'm confused, where does the Japanese wiki question the relevance of any theory? It just says outright that the passages in the game suggest that in the ancient past Regigigas is the normal type giant and that there are 18 other giants that were SEALED away in the plates.Likewise the Regigigas page directly calls him the same kind of giant SEALED in the plates. And says that "in the Sinnoh region, he is known as the pokemon that rules the Earth."This makes me think we have a translation error in English both on the way "giant" is conveyed in the games and how the plates were translated. All the lines about the plates in the Japanese wiki talk about "SEALING" giant power while the English lines imply that they are dead and the plates are their corpses.Does anyone have a screenshot or text of the plate lines in Japanese so we can assess them? The Japanese fans don't seem to have this discrepancy and Arceus Legend's seems to imply the same with the way the plates interact with Regigigas at Snowpoint temple.
>>56788751There isn't any ambiguity to Japanese readers from what they've told me on 2chan. In the game they use a very specific Hiragana to describe the "Titans" in the game as きょだい "Ki-yojin" when referring to the titans on the plate and to the Regis in the exact same way. It is hard to explain to a non-English speaker why certain words of the same meaning are distinct in Japanese but the way they are written holds meaning relative to how they are said. In the case of "Titans" both for Regis and the ones referenced in the plates, they use きょだい (Ki-yojin) so the reader knows that these refer to the same thing implicitly even though it is pronounced almost identically to 巨人(Kyojin) in Kanji. This discrepancy seems to have been lost by illiterate translators at NoA as there is actually a big meaning behind using the characters the way that they do even though they sound the same and have roughly the same meaning when translated. In ALL cases of the game referring to both Regis and Giants, the Hiragana きょだい. Again, it is difficult to convey in English when the nuance of Japanese isn't one-to-one of Western languages when it comes to the way things are written, but it is essentially written to be like if you wrote a completely different word for emphasis like "Giant(HUGE)" but in a way the reader can conceptualize it as being distinct in a way that is mythical or ancient.In most cases of the game referring to just generally big things (size of things larger than normal) they use the kanji 巨人 to designate it as such. This use of it is direct and helps the reader to know the usage of the word is direct and realAnd specifically when referring to giant pokemon in we visibly see in Sword and Shield they use a non-word term that pulls in kanji of the phonetic sounds of English for the 2nd half ダイマックス (Dai-Max) to refer to giant pokemon and even Eternetus' pokemon category mistranslated in the west as "Giant pokemon"
>>56787994do you not know what gnosticism is?
giant =/= giantcompletely different giantsregischizo stop being retarded
>>56788887Learn Japanese and play Arceus Legends friend. きょだい = きょだい巨人 =/= きょだいダイマックス =/= きょだい
>>56788548Giratina is part ghost for a reason
>>56788855>have to learn Braille just to catch the regis>have learn Japanese just to understand their loreTruly Kino......
Denialtards have been thoroughly BTFO in both English and Japanese. The Regi - Giant connection was a massive IQ Test and a comprehensive examination on whether one can make logical conclusions and read between the lines on what is given to us and Denialtards failed miserably, as evidenced by them continuing to flail their arms and stick their fingers in their ears going “la la la I can’t hear you.” They’re midwits at best and literal retards at worst. This is who you share this board with.
>>56789072calm down, they were just deceived by English localizers and have a hard time dealing with their entire understanding of the series being off because of poor language translations and comprehensions as their window into the medium. Give them time to process and or learn Japanese. They will come to Regignosis.
>Regigigas thread stays up for 5 days>Few days later it turns out the Japanese have been aware of Regignosis the whole timeWe did it, Regigigas awakening has altered the timeline and retriactively made Regignosis to always have been known!
>>56788930no, its just a pokemon created later. Same as regijobberthe "giants" are all long dead and they werent even pokemon
>>56785390It's noncanon if the design documents weren't realized like latina Skyla.
>>56789198The きょだい is right there anon. Its Regigigas. Give up your Nintendo of America propaganda and learn Japanese so you can understand. We'll be here for you when you do.
>>56789227>きょだいIrrelevant, both are large/giant sized beings, but not the same characters whatsoever, which is explictly clearNone of the giants were stated to have survived, its literally in your head>Its Regigigas.no retard, the rock jannie didnt even exist then
>>56789151>Regigigas woke up and manhandled Dialga so hard it altered the timeline and gave us truth and knowledge How can anyone still doubt his majesty? He has rewarded us for our faithfulness.
>>56789327You literally don't understand Japanese. きょだい is used for a specific reason for specific cases to convey a specific meaning. Ask any person who has played the game and is japanese. Specifically in reference to ancient giant beings from a particular period, hence the hiragana and not the use of kanji. Likewise 巨人 and ダイマックス are used for different cases for just meaning "large beings" and specifically "Dynamax beings." The fact that you are attempting to use English phonetics and grammar that have been clearly translated poorly to make your argument is pretty sad when you can just jump on twitter or 2chan and ask anyone in Japanese to confirm your suspicions rather than persistently arguing from an English worldview on a Japanese topic. Would you be so inclined to do so if it was sucker punch or tail glow? Of course not, so why make the differentiation here when its clearly mistranslated.
>>56785415FTFY
>>56785388I think Zygarde is just the personification of the Earth's will as a pokemon, which makes sense how it interacts with the 2 parts of the tree of life. It counters them with Aura break because it is meant to protect the Earth itself from that tree ever reforming.
>>56788923This is a reference to Regirock, Regice and Registeel because in many games, you have to gather all the Regi to awaken Regigigas. Here we don't have the Regi, so we use the plates with the ice, rock and steel type as a nod. Many unrelated Pokemon clearly have plates, it doesn't mean anything and it goes against that very idea.If the bodies of giants are turned into plate, the existence of Blank Plate is just proof that it's false theory. The Blank Plate is no different from any others plates. Implying that Blank Plate is the normal-type giant, which can't be Regigigas. Don't invent a stupid headcanon to say "this is a part of Regigigas" it's never said in game, and it goes against the lore of the other plates. It's moving goal posts, damage control. We don't care if the Japanese think this theory is real. There is no content in the game that expresses that Regigigas was one of its giants, it is an DEDUCTION linked to a category of species that has no importance, so much so that the translation got it right that it was useless. The majority of idiots here forced their theory of imagination, that didn't make it real. Learn to distinguish between theory and reality.
>>56789977>as a nod.To you westie>Many unrelated Pokemon clearly have plates, it doesn't mean anything and it goes against that very idea.Only one has the long lost hidden plate of the normal type, that happens to be with the normal type きょだい.>If the bodies of giants are turned into plate, the existence of Blank Plate is just proof that it's false theory.Japanese line for the flame plate reads>"プレートにあたえたちから たおした きょじんたちのちから" "あたえた" is to "Confer" the power of the giants. The line would properly translate to >"The power conferred into these plates come from defeated Giants(Huge)"So the implication to which the Japanese come to the conclusion is that each giant's power is put into the Plates. The power that made them Giants. With the power of the normal type giant conferred into the plate, Regigigas' power, slow start ability, and status as a pokemon when he is no longer a non-pokemon あたえた is actually confirmed even more with the leaks relative to Arceus. He is holding his own plate which has his actual あたえた powers.LEARN JAPANESE IF YOU WANNA TALK LORE WESTIE. You don't know the lore, the meaning, or the source material. You are just thrashing about because you're a propagandized westie.
Headcanon
>>56789977>WeThere is no 'we' here, there is only (You) shrieking pointlessly into the void
>>56790089> To you westieIs not a counter-argument, it's lost for you>Only one has the long lost hidden plate of the normal type, that happens to be with the normal type きょだい.It's not a counter argument that he has it. Precisely, the Pokemon which have plates in this game are often possible with the same type as their wearer:Wyrdeer who gives the Mind Plate.Volo who has a deal with Giratina which gives Spooky Plate.Heatran who owns Iron Plate.Arcanine with Flame Plate.Hisuian Avalugg who offers us Icicle Plate.Hisuian Lilligant which allows you to acquire Meadow Plate.Basculegion walking around with Splash Plate.Kleavor and Insect Plate.Ursaluna who has the Earth Plate.Sneasler who has the Toxic Plate.Hisuian Electrode who guarded Zap Plate. Regigigas which owns Bank Plate.Cogita who is related to Enamorus who held Pixie PlateHisuian Braviary alongside Sky Plate>slow start abilitySlow start has nothing to do with what you are saying.The Pokémon is compared to a statue, it sleeps constantly. There need to be conditions for him to decide to wake up.Slow Start, serves to illustrate that he needs time to fully wake up. In the same way as Varoom who has this talent, because his engine takes time to engage. If he had lost part of his power to be changed into plate, not only would they say so (which is not the case) but they would not get it back after 5 turns.>You don't know the lore, the meaning, or the source material. You are just thrashing about because you're a propagandized westie.You are the propagandist. You have constantly created several threads for several days to always repeat the same theories, deliberately excluding that they are not theories out of dishonesty
>>56790291I'm not the only one writing here, stop the denial.
>>56790384Yes you are
>>56790089You always assume that every time giants are mentioned, it's always Regigigas. And that's already a big problem for your theory. Because nothing in the game confirms that Regigigas is one of the defeated giants.You seem to have to invent that Regigigas wasn't a Pokemon, then became one, to conform to writings that aren't even included in the final product. The leak doesn't confirm anything, in fact it has 15 different versions of the same thing that don't tell different stories. And even in the most recent one (which is still not included in the game's canon, it still doesn't say that it's Regigigas).
>>56790412>Regigigas>Regi gigas>King of giants
>>56790418Yes he is the king of Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Regieleki and Regidraco
>>56790418not the giants that Arceus killed
>>56790435None of those are giants. If it were as you say, he would be called Regiregi, or king of kings.
>>56790441Not for nothing does he have his Regi's designs, and is portrayed as their creator. He is their leader, and is hierarchically superior to them. He is therefore the “King” of the other Regi. They have no reason to call him “Regiregi” - it's just ridiculous to say and hear for a legendary like him.
>>56790435Those 5 are 巨人.>>56790440Regigigas is a きょだい , like what is stated on the plates. You'd know that if you played in Japanese.
>>56790475He is specifically called Regigigas, and that has meaning you're just going to have to cope with, same way you have to cope with Arceus being a humanfucker, and Typhlosion being a pedophile.
>>56790475>Regi's designsBy this I mean the patterns of the other Regis on her body. It's quite clear both in its explicit tradition, and in its design
>>56790476And Arcanine is listed as a Legendary, without actually being affiliated with Legendary Pokemon. Stop being so dishonest. Using a term on a category isn't worth anything scenaristically and in terms of lore, it's just a theory that holds on to not much and a lot of headcanon. They've NEVER said that Regigigas is a giant defeated by Arceus, and until they do, it's nothing more than a theory with a questionable level of probability.
>>56790487Except those ideas got scrapped but Regigigas' connection to the plates and status as a きょだい is actually confirmed in the games as canon time after time if you play in Japanese.
>>56790513>Until they doThey did. In japanese.
>>56790513to OP's point, they never DIDN'T say it either, so why are you fighting so hard to disprove it as if you have evidence that definitively says "No, regigigas is not a giant talked about in the plate?"
>>56790516I've already covered these points about plates, now stop pretending. At this point it's just confirmation bias that ignores everything else. And no, it's not canon. It's a theory.
>>56790476Moonrunes are irrelevantNot the same giants
>>56790518He's an EoP, he's just going to keep ignoring any evidence from the source material as not being a direct statement. He may be too retarded to realise the japanese say nothing directly.
>>56790535It's canon until they respond to the leaked content (they won't)
>>56790518In that case, give me the in-game texts that explicitly state that Regigigas was once one of the giants who was defeated by Arceus and put a curse on him.I don't want to see this deductive crap you're doing with this category thing in the Pokedex. Because it's not doing it
>>56790551No, it'll become canon once they've included these elements in the games and explicitly state in their story that Regigigas is a giant defeated by Arceus.
>>56790573You are the only one who believes that
>>56790589You say that because you know that your theory will never go beyond a non-canon belief. You're not even confident in what you're saying.
>>56787994you're a kid or didn't go to college
>>56790561>Goalpost shuffling
>>56790561In that case, give me the in-game texts that explicitly state that Regigigas WASN'T once one of the giants who was defeated by Arceus and put a curse on him.
>>56790561This dude would fucking die if he ever went to court. He doesn't understand the difference between evidence and proof.
>>56790513>Arcanine >LegendaryAgain showing your Westie inability to know mistranslations and what is in the actual game in Japanese. Pokedex entries and in game commentary specifically designate that Arcanine is the pokemon of CHINESE LEGEND"ちゅうごくの いいつたえにある でんせつの ポケモン。" Properly translated "A Pokemon from Chinese Legends and Folklore"It is explicitly stated to be not a legend to the pokemon world, but physically describing it as the シーサー (Shisa) of Chinese Legend. You would know that if you READ THE FUCKING JAPANESE DIFFERENCE:Windie's entry: でんせつポケモンWritten in Hiragana to convey that it is ancient or mythical, not directly related.Every instance of the game referring to legendaries: 伝説のポケモンWritten in Kanji to convey direct and real meaning of legendary/YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ THE SOURCE MATERIAL.
>>56785388Regis are NOT GIANTSEternatus is an arm of the giant.
>>56790928Regigigas is きょだい .Eternatus is ダイマックス.Learn Japanese if you want to learn the source materials. Its explained if you understand it.
>>56790944>きょだいOld and huge. And they use きょじん for giants.
>>56790921Arcanine was dumped with the birds in the first episode of the anime.
>>56788873>>56790683Of course I don't. I guess only american schools focus on the teachings of JEEZUS so much instead of important matters.Care to enlighten me?
Arcanine being a legendary was like the animals
>>56791016>Anime are canonNice cope attempt.>>56790973You don't understand Hiragana and grammar. "きょだい" is "K~yodai" in the manner of a descriptor (which all pokemon categories have when written in japanese because it is saying what kind of pokemon they are) while きょじん(K~yojin) is the suffix of an identification of a person/entity but are of the exact same root meaning if you understand the word/character meaning. きょ is the root word to convey an ancient or not necessarily direct thing (as it is written his hiragana) in the same way in English you would say something is "Spanish" and someone is a "Spaniard" meaning the same thing with the main root.If you understand the grammar structure you'd get how they are describing the same thing but in different contexts (descriptor vs. suffix)
>>56791074Lugia connection to the birds started with the anime.
>>56791047Dead-court anon has gotten so desperate he is referencing the anime to justify his arguments with screenshots he pulls from tumblr on the fly!
>>56791088I am a different anon, and I got that image from Google.Pokemon lore got 3/4 retcons.
>>56791082>AnimeLugia has a fucking baby in the anime. The anime ain't even close to canon lore bro. Closest thing would be the origins animes that actually follow the games and their lore.>MovieESPECIALLY non-canon.Lugia literally has no connection to the Kanto birds in the mainline games.>INB4 Mystery Dungeonnon-canon offshoot game, doesn't designate the lore.
>ITT: You have to be a Japanese linguistics mega-autist just to be able to understand Regigigas' loreIncredibly on brand for these braille puzzle fuckers.
>>56791277It filters the low IQ, so only intelligent people enjoy the Regis.
I can't even keep track of who is fighting with who and which points belong to which arguments. If your post doesn't contain "regigigas fought arceus" in its body I truly have no clue what side you're on.
>>56791184Oh my god there are still retards that think there's only one of each legendary Pokemon
>>56791277This is the reason the Japanese have 5 IQ points over the rest of the world.
>>56787994Gnosticism, you Hylic fuck.
>game outright confirms Arceus was an aspect of the god Arceus who created all after emerging from Her egg>faggots squeal and screech and turn to a male entity they celbrate as a false god because god must be a man because their sky friend is male
I believe in Regignosis and up-until-now-unknown-to-the-west moonrune lore because it makes for far better threads than genwarrers and DEItards.
>>56791277knowing another language is not the same as being a "linguistics mega-autist"
>>56791525Yes, but they are trying to compensate.
>>56791539Name one person you know who speaks this fucking autist ass language.
>>56791609>Denialtard so thoroughly ass blasted he is now resorting to calling the language of the people who made the franchise he partakes in “autistic”Denialfags show their true colors.
>>56785415Food Analogy "Memes" are the worst
>>56791669Someone make a bell curve meme about denial midwits and regignostics.
>>56790812The opposite rhetoric doesn't work, so don't try to run away to avoid giving proof. If something isn't, the game won't address it. On the other hand, if something is, it will be addressed.If Heatran isn't a giant defeated by Arceus, is there irrefutable proof that he isn't? Well, no, because it's not necessary. But if Heatran was a defeated giant, then the game will say so.
>>56790921Haven't you figured out yet that we don't give a shit if the Regigigas category is the same word as the one mentioned on the plates? It doesn't mean a thing, because it's not irrefutable proof that the giants mentioned on the plates are the same as Regigigas. You can only theorize a hypothetical link, but it's theoretical. Even a 10-year-old who can understand that, makes an effort.Take a step back, the game doesn't say “Regigigas is a giant defeated by Arceus” whatever the language. Westie.
retarded schizo proclaims his fanfic progressively more loudly, appealing to authority as if japanese pokemon youtubers aren't as retarded as western ones
>>56788855>It is hard to explain to a non-English speaker why certain words of the same meaning are distinct in Japanese but the way they are written holds meaning relative to how they are said.Just say1. Japanese has a system for defining how words are read with over-text since kanji can sometimes be ambiguous.2. This system is often used to give words a double meaning.3. This system is called furigana.It's not that complex.
>>56789977>Here we don't have the Regi, so we use the plates with the ice, rock and steel type as [HEADCANON]
>>56792083I read through this whole thread and still don't get fanfic theory. What is the relation of the three original Hoenn Regis to this theory?
>>56792083How is it a Headcanon? Are there Regirock, Regice and Registeel in LPA? No.In several games, to wake up/meet Regigigas, you have to bring back the other Regis? Yes. If you play the various games in the license, you'll understand that the need to have the ice, rock and steel type plate is a reference to this. And if you try hard enough, you'll soon understand that the color patterns on Regigigas' body are a reference to the trio he created.
>>56792035>Same wordYou still show your lack of understand. Its not like in English where word means word when written. When Hiragana, katakana, and Kanji are used there is weight and meaning behind it.To someone who can read Japanese, they can implicitly know what きょだい and きょじん are reference in and of and to themselves in. To you know doesn't know how Japanese works nor how its read it means nothing. You can only perceive things as a one-to-one of your own language. But if learn Japanese to understand the context of how a writer uses different writing for different meaning, you would understand. The only equivalent I could think is how in english ALL CAPS can give the written meaning of words more context than what the base root of the written words convey, similarly with Itallics, but there is a great depth of meaning and situational context to the way Hiragana is used and written in Japanese that requires a lot more understanding than just giving this psuedo-example in English. But there is no helping you man. I can tell you it is different in Japanese where they don't have to say it outright as there is intention choice in writing that implies what you are supposed to understand from the text that doesn't have an equivalent in english, but you'll just demand over and over lines stating something as if it needs to be explained outright in English through specific dialogue. . There is no convincing someone who literally can't understand things outside of their preconceived conceptions of writing and comprehension.Proceed with your seething, namecalling, and legalistic demands knowing you are just too intellectually constrained by your own choice to be able to see what is right in front of you a different purview. But if you ever talk to a Japanese person who has played pokemon, you'd come to learn just how in the dark you are friend.
>>56785388They didn't. Please stop spreading this lie. People heard giants and decided randomly that Regigas was that for some random ass reason even though we have multiple other pokemon literally named as the giants and the only story that DOESN'T have the giants named has it called a part of Aus or just outright not a Pokemon at all, like humans aren't.
>>56792100People are saying that essentially Regigigas are depowered fragments of the "normal type giant" that survived somehow, and the Regis it creates are an attempt to recreate its giant kin.It's honestly a massive leap in logic.
>>56792169No, it really isn’t. For close-minded and short sighted individuals like you, maybe it’s a large leap, but in reality all evidence points towards Gigas being one of the original Giants.
>>56792152>people heard giantsJapanese have been onto this since DPP because it is actually implied by the Japanese text and then reinforced by Legends Arceus cutscenes>Other Pokemon are GiantsNo, only Regigigas is a きょだい pokemon just like the きょじん mentioned in the flame plate. >Referencing draftsWe don't need those anymore. Only from what is in the original japanese games and talking with the Japanese players we have learned of the truth of Regignosis. The leak just helped us to see what has always been there. You're way behind buddy.
>>56785388/vp/: come for the Pokemon, stay for the intense theological debates
>>56792169not leap if you read Japanese.
>>56792200This thread taught me more about Japanese than 18 years of watching anime ever did.
This is like trying to convince a Gorilla that the stone they’re holding isn’t a banana. The Japs are laughing at us because english pokemon fans are literal drooling retatds.
>>56792133But you are psychologically affected. We understood that it's the same terms, you'll have to imprint in your mind that it's just the name of a category in a Pokedex, it doesn't mean much. Forgive us for not extrapolating like an autistic person on this because we take a step back and we know how to differentiate between a theory and concrete facts.When you're asked for evidence about dialog boxes that will explicitly say that Regigigas is one of the giants defeated by Arceus, you're not necessarily asking for English text. You can send screenshots of a Japanese game! And if we ask you, it's precisely because the category is not incontestable or sufficient proof, it remains a theory with all that that implies.And no, just because you speak Japanese doesn't mean you're smarter than anyone else, so come back down to earth. Do you have something to compensate for the good?
>>56792224>WeStill just you and only you faggot.
>>56792248If you still haven't understood that there are several people who write and object, then you're really stupid.
>>56791474Wouldn't "Regignosticism" work better, then?
>>56792212Lmao nice
I am Regitheist
>>56792261Is hilarious that newfags think that just because the poster count is gone that nobody can see their samefagging. We can all see you faggot.
>>56792282You make a good point, but you're not quite grasping the terms.Regingosticism is the system, but Regignosis is the goal.
>>56792208Regigigas' Pokemon category being "Giant Pokemon" doesn't mean he's the "Giant" referred to and it honestly doesn't make much sense to include him as supporting figure in Arceus' circles if he's meant to be in opposition.
>>56792412Don't waste your time, he will never listen to us. He's stuck in a form of obsession. It's like the person you're responding to can no longer listen to reason
>>56791920Being a midwit must truly be a fate worse than death.
>>56792523You must be one of the -55 IQ, not to have understood that we don't need an official direct from Game Freak.For this to become canon, we just need to be told in a game that Regigigas is a giant defeated by Arceus. Which happens in no game these days.
>>56792712You don't need to be spoonfed information to know the truth.
regitroons all get the ropeno exceptions
>>56792719I don't need to feed myself with headcanon especially. Fortunately I know the truth.
>flame plate says its power was conferred from a "defeated Colossus">Regigigas is the 'Colossus pokémon'>all plates' inscriptions are about the creation of the world and are connected to Arceus's lore so the "defeated colossus" is implied to have been defeated by Arceus>in PL:A you need three plates to awaken Regigigas further solidfying its connection to themis there any more evidence I'm missing? Because I can perfectly see WHY this theory that Regigigas is the last member of a race of giants Arceus destroyed came to be, and there's no problem if you believe in it, but come on: none of this is enough to state beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the intentional case as OP is doing. This could still be just small coincidences and it's hard to believe OP doesn't see that.
>>56792752after defeating regigigas in PLA you get a normal plate, except it's not called a normal plate, it's called a "Blank Plate" and it makes Arceus normal type.
>>56792752oh I thought of another one:>when they were introduced, there was a plate of EVERY type EXCEPT Normal, and Regigigas is a Normal type. Combined with how the flame plate came from a "defeated colossus" you can see how people assumed Regigigas (the Colossus Pokémon) was the last surviving member of a species which only left plates behindbut then GF added a Normal Type plate anyway so...
>>56792764oh that's only AFTER you defeat Regigigas? I never finished PLA.I guess the point here >>56792769 still stands then.
>>56792752But the design docs say very explicitly the Giants aren't POKEMON
>>56792752The official name of the Regis as a group is the "Legendary Giants"
>>56792809ok but those aren't canon, because it didn't make it into the games. For it to be canon the Flame Plate would need to say something like "it had its power conferred from a fallen Colossus, a being which existed before Pokémon" or something to that effect, because otherwise there's no reason not to assume the "Colossus" is a "Colossus Pokémon" since all we ever see in the games are either humans or pokémon and never other life forms. It could very well be that they weren't pokémon originally, but then GF thought "nah lets not include non-pokémon beings into the games unleess they're human, drop that part", we don't know.
>>56792834>Regifag who pretends to care about the canon of games nowHilarous.
>>56792863I have clearly not taken a stance either way and am simply trying to compile all alleged evidence to conclude how autistic OP is or if they have a point. Stop jumping at other's throats like a bitch.Far as I'm concerned, the games do seem to strongly imply that Regigigas is the last member of a race which survive only in plates, but any and all connection to Arceus is far-fetched speculation based on outdated documents. We simply don't know how they died at all.
>the games do seem to strongly imply that Regigigas is the last member of a race which survive only in platesNot really no
>>56792912they clearly do>one plate for every type except Normal>flame plate says its power comes from "a fallen Colossus">Regigigas is the Colossus Pokémon and is a Normal type, the only plate we don't have>...until PL:A, where it drops the Normal Plate upon defeat
>>56792929Are you aware that practically all the plates we get in PLA come from a Pokemon that carries the same type as the plate it's holding? So dropping Blank Plate isn't proof.And the part for the word “giant” only works in Japanese. We're talking about a category of Pokemon with no impact whatsoever.If we were told that Regigigas was one of its defeated giants, then yes. But it isn't. So it doesn't have to be the same thing.
>>56792967He still can't grasp hiragana's meaning. Oh kotoamatsukami please help this poor illiterate westie.
>>56792809>DESIGN DOCS DON'T COUNT, THEY ARE JUST SCRIPTS! EXCEPT WHEN THEY SUPPORT MY ARGUMENT!Just play the actual game after learning Japanese westie, it's not that hard.
>>56785438There’s this Japanese theorist I’ve followed for years. One of my favorite theories of his from like 2018 was that >Arceus>Regigigas>Ultra NecrozmaAre all the same deity, just interpreted by people in different ways giving rise to different forms.
>>56793280Oh, and the “defeated giants” referred to the Arceus worshippers claiming Sinnoh from the old sect of Regigigas worshippers.
>>56792387Goootcha
>>56792967You're incredibly bad at this, Anon, just stop, it's embarrassing to watch
>>56793139Nothing to do with not understanding the meaning, I understood it. I just don't agree with you to say that it's enough to draw a definitive conclusion. Westie. >>56794270Never a real counter-argument, always denigrating or just repeating over and over again your Japanese words for Regigigas' category in the Pokedex.
I still prefer the theory that Necrozma, Kyurem, Eternatus, Terapagos, and others are the ACTUAL fallen Giants that Arceus defeated since it combines more of the ultrapowerful legendaries into the lore in a sensible way. It doesn’t make sense to have your creation deities get curbstomped by a random poison dragon. But if that poison dragon is the fallen, lonng-slumbering remains of a giant that god once did war with, then it does.And I will repeat, they’re all represented as being found in their “shell” or “untrue” forms, and they’re all located in ancient impact sites.
>>56792200despite all the shit flinging this has been one of the more enlightening threads on /vp/.Made me realize I hate woke translator at Nintendo of America even more than I already did.
Ok so where does Zamazenta and Zacian fit into all of this? They aren't from another dimension like the ultra beasts and the sandwich dragons.
>>56792752>red buttons - Regirock, the shortest>blue - Regiice>silver - Registeel, the tallest
Why is Regice Regigigas' favorite son?
>>56792332>>56792248sperg is also a retardmany such cases
>>56797143Because he's the coolest
>>56796298Galar has no lore.
Was she right?
>>56785415https://youtube.com/watch?v=o5PzQlU1ZaISee this? More like hear it. It's an AI-generated song based on the "voice" if you could call it that and now she can speak. Why hasn't anybody tried that with the Regi's?
Does the game talk directly about the ye olde giants, or is it only indirectly via flame plate?If it does, is the game consistent about using the same word in all the contexts, きょだい, instead of 巨大 or 巨人 or きょじん?
>>56799654Flame plate is the source.きょじん is the hiragana implication that Japanese readers can understand relative to 巨人
ok but when I really think about it, why exactly does Regigigas share the exact same color scheme as arceus, with the white, yellow, and black? almost as though they have some shared origin.Hell, even though the foliage on regigigas isn't natural (presumably) it mirrors the green highlights on arceus in a less literal sense.
>>56785388
>>56801600also template
>>56785424It basically states that Arceus created Giratina last; which is fitting since Gamefreak created Giratina last before the games release (they intended Arceus to be the third legendary, but deemed it too OP to not be mythical).
>>56800817Good eye
>>56796298They most likely normal pokemon that evolved with the gifts of Arceus that were forged into a sword and a shield; both used to slay the giant that magnify the pokemon within the region.
>>56801600>replacing the spot specifically for regigigas and regitrio with musketeers
>>56803533The two Galar Regis kinda ruined the circle, so they're out.
>>56803545creation circle was made during gen4. all shitmons that came after DP are NOT CANON in the eyes of Arceus.
>>56785388Zygarde's the trunk, the remnant of the tree of life.
>>56788855>きょだい "Ki-yojin" What a retard. This guy doesn’t know even the most basic japanese. That says kyodai (巨大 in kanji) not kyojin (きょじん in hiragana, 巨人 in kanji). 巨人 and 巨大 are never read any other way. These are different words with different meanings. Just because they share a kanji does not mean they are the same thing. The ダイ in ダイマックス comes from the kanji 大 (だい) meaning big, and has nothing to do with 巨人. Ironically Gigantamax is called キョダイマックス, the キョダイ being 巨大, which would have been actually somewhat relevant, but you failed to even recognize this, and instead rambled about your incorrect understanding of japanese. Disregard everything he is saying about the original japanese, because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all.こいつあーだこーだ言うてる癖に日本語むちゃくちゃやんけw一から勉強してこいやボケw
