Will we get a good region again one day?
>>56792420>snowy area right next to a summer resort>good region design
We do.>"buh am not de wegions of my yoofs"Well, duh. they're not trying to shill at 7 year old (You) any more.
>>56792447snow maps are the best in every game chuddie
>>56792447>>56792459global rule 2
>>56792447yes this is what gamefreak thinks, and a desert too evidently
>>56792488SVs snow section is fucking terrible.
>>56792488SVs snow section is fucking amazing.
>>56792424the battle resort is a volcanic island though
>>56792424>what is Stark MountainAt least try to not appear like a Hoennfag.
>>56792420No because the international public doesn't allow a region to have its own identity, Unova tried to have an endemic fauna, the western public complained because they wanted to use old pokemon, BW2 had planned to introduce a lot more of new Pokemon like Hawlucha and Pangoro but it was cancelled, Hoenn tried to be a tropical set, people complained because there were many aquatic routes and few snowy areas, Sinnoh was a cold climate region, people complained because there weren't many Fire Pokemon, Paldea was a disaster because the public wants games in impossible deadlines. Now all regions must be generic fantasy worlds with all climates, all shillmons, and a simple story and a basic difficulty level so as not to lose the attention of the tik tok public.TPC is also equally guilty, for them games are just propaganda for the real gold mine, merchandising, that's why they don't give a shit about quality, either way the zombie public will continue buying their games.
>>56792488GF really had Alola, Galar, and Paldea compete for worst region design. Idk which is worse but it's weird how they all came at around the same era. Kalos would probably be close to it too. Not sure what made GF allergic to well thought design.
>>56792447Hoennchads get in here, put that long sleeve away it's beach day every day!
>>56792553Water is just melted ice, also there's too much of it.
>>56792553shoal cave
>>56792553It still mamaged to have its ice types
fun fact: hoenn has more ice types than sinnoh in DP does
>>56792600why are you playing dp and not platinum
>>56792610Because it's 2006
>>56792502>>56792526Ahem.
I think Kalos is okay in this regard, it's not great, but aside from the Lumiose Badlands its rly just a grassy & forested region that changes seasons throughout, for whatever reason.
>>56792619it's 2024 i think actually
>>56792610mismagius, duh
>>56792648you are dead wrong
>>56792653aye, that's fair
>>56792643No relevance. Hawaii often gets snow. Kill yourself, slowly.
>>56792643What point are you making here? Are you trying to say the entire album should be covered in ash and lava?Yes, active volcanic islands have underground thermal heating and ash from the sky that affects temperature without necessarily turning it into a black sootpit.
my favourite zone design is r/s/e and bw/bw2
>>56792681>What point are you making here?That there is a tropical place right next to an area with perma snow?
>>56792681>tropical palm tree resort directly adjacent to a frozen sea and the Hokkaido blizzards carried from SiberiaThere’s nothing that extreme in real life. Even Iceland isn’t anywhere close to this level of incongruous.
>>56792731thats fair, im just saying there's some clear attempt to explain it, plus Heatran is there, I don't think it's comparable to the new games having you walk between snow and sunshine via one hallway.
>>56792420we just had this threadwhat is this phenomenon of "just had a thread finish and immediately make a new one with the same text and image" called?
>>56792643They probably just imported a few palm trees to make it seem more resorty. I used to have a palm tree in the garden and I live in northern England.
>>56792643SOUL>>56792553>>56792488Soulless
>>56793186kill yourself david
>>56792543>BW2 had planned to introduce a lot more of new Pokemon like Hawlucha and Pangoro but it was cancelledSource?
>>56792727>>56792731You didn't play the game. The snow blows down from Mt. Coronet, not because of the latitude. The map tells you this.
>>56792420It's crazy how soulless every aspect of nu-pokemon isIf it wasnt for coombait what would there be left?
>>56792420remember, if it was a 1:1 recreation of the world, the first four gens would have been nearly the exact same, because Japan is pretty homogeneous in it's geography. Fucking mountains with trees in the valleys. Gen 5 is just Manhattan. Gen 6 suddenly becomes the most diverse region, if not just for covering a larger area. Gen 7 is an island, but tropical. Actually, it would probably be the same as it is now. They did a good job 1:1-ing Hawaii. Galar is upside down, so they'd fix that and then it would be rainy and foggy and cold, and also grassy and hilly except for the fuck-off steep cliffs that you fall off and die from. But again, kind of homogeneous.Great Britain doesn't exactly have any deserts or tropical rain forests or tall-ass mountains. The fact that Game Freak takes liberties to make each region more diverse is a good thing. Imagine how creative they could get if they just stopped basing regions on real-world locales.
>>56795001You miss the pointIt's not about taking liberties it's about making a coherent, alive "country" (regions are more like countries in pokemon)Kanto is a super industrialized place with some notable natural landmarks In contrast, Jotho is very rural, full of pines and screams "tradition"Hoenn is a tropical country and all its elements fall coherently into place, even the odd ones like the desertSinnoh is a northern country organized around a mountain range.Meanwhile...Unova is a theme park of america but none of the biomes are put coherently together. The desert, the iced mountain, the forestKalos is a (poor) theme park of franceAlola does its theme well enoughGalar is a theme parkPaldea doesnt even feel like an alive country given the towns are empty lolPokemon is not marioWe dont need to have a desert, a snowy area, a beach, a volcano in every regionIf you must do it.. at least do it creatively like sinnoh did with the battle zone (it's treated as a small, different, region from sinnoh by the npcs)
>>56792684why are they eating that thats not right
>>56796220You're next, ytboi.
>>56795001>the first four gens would have been nearly the exact same, because Japan is pretty homogeneous in it's geographythis isn't even true, Hokkaido is undoubtedly colder than Kyushu, but the point of the OP is that there's random biomes dragged an dropped into regions now with no effort to make it feel real.
>>56792420>again
>>56796242OH. You mean like Hoenn.Both it and Unova share the same "random desert syndrome". Or how Kanto has a frozen cave system right next to a nearby magma chamber. And African trees in it's coastal Island safari. Like those random biomes in these fictional worlds?
>>56796338>Or how Kanto has a frozen cave system right next to a nearby magma chamber.Volcanoes can still exist in arctic conditions.
>>56795080>desert in hoenn: a-okay>desert in unova: theme park regionmake it make sense
>>56792646>for whatever reasoncoming off of Gen 5's seasons, I think making all new 3D assets is hard enough without having to make variations to the entire map three more times for all four seasons. ...But they still wanted to include seasons, so they have 'seasonal zones'. Which were confirmed planned in the leaks of Gen 6.
>>56796353The desert in Hoenn resides right at the base of a volcano. Unova's desert is right next to its largest city.
>>56796346Kanto is not 'arctic conditions', and despite what you may intuitively think, it actually gets hotter the further into the earth you go, not colder.
>>56796365>The desert in Hoenn resides right at the base of a volcano.okay and
>>56796372By that logic, it's absolutely impossible for there to be subterranean ice caverns.
>>56796365So why is there no desert around the entire volcano? Because it was randomly added.>b-but deserts and volcanos are both hot!Deserts form because moisture comes in, usually from an ocean or inland sea, and rises above tall mountains before being pushed into the colder upper atmosphere, condensing, and then raining on the other side. See: PeruIt makes no sense for a region as humid and 7.8/10 wet as Hoenn to have a desert on it.Anywhere.
>>56796384Are you being dense on purpose? Your 'subterranean ice caverns' are at higher elevations, like the Cascade Mountains, or in the Antarctic, like the Antarctic.
>>56796398>Your 'subterranean ice caverns' are at higher elevationsWe're talking about the Seafoam Islands, yawnie. The caves are underground.
>>56792859>what is this phenomenon of "just had a thread finish and immediately make a new one with the same text and image" called?spam
>>56796403>The caves are underground.Yeah, and there's water under the ocean. Cool point.
>>56796338Hoenns desert is in a rain shadow behind a mountain
>>56796353don't act like the unova desert makes sense, they try to explain it by saying the region and the relic castle got destroyed in the war but it still looks stupid.
>>56792420Never, because Mt. Coronet was too much for Little Kenjis in Japan to handle that GameFreak outright got complaint letters.
>>56796365Zoomers cant debate in good faith.You tell them that you want your region's climate to make at least some sense and they will turn into master geologists.Yeah no shit it's unrealistic. Pokémon is unrealistic but we want it to "feel" real and coherent.Besides, there is a desert in kyushu lol
>>56796463Zoomers are as stubborn and set in their ways as boomers because they all think they’re superior to others. A zoomer debate is less of an intellectual debate between two points and more a shouting match to gain dominance by asserting one worldview over the other.
Next time zoomies will tell you that cities in pokémon have too few houses to be called cities and it's unrealistic to enter them anyway that's why Paldea and its ghost towns with nothing to do in them are actually better lmao
>>56796488people already argue for the shitty soulless hallowed out pokemon centers in gen9
>>56796450Yeah. After a map was posted, I can see that.It's plausible for Hoenn to have a desert given it's geography. Especially with how much rain, in the game, the other side of the mountain constantly gets.I was wrong.
>>56796518all good, besides its not about if it makes complete sense scientificially, its just about making it FEEL cohesive and real, rather that hapazardly thrown together.
>>56796488Most of Goldenrod is just facades of buildings.
>>56796488Do you always get mad at things that havent happened yet?
>>56796652It's an analogic hyperbole, doofus
>>56796686So the answer is yes.
>>56796694Basic reading comprehension is necessary to enjoy Pokémon
>>56796709Makes sense why you dont enjoy it.
>>56796718Necessary but not sufficient. I lack shit taste to find pleasure in gen 9
Unova was the last good regionIt still suffers from what OP is describing + too linear but at least it has memorable cities and locations.In comparision NOBODY ever talks about kalo, alola, galar and paldea except to complain about themSure if you ask someone they will tell you they enjoyed such and such place (like Area zero) but they will never spontaneously praise the region or talk about it landmarks and townsThat's why there is so much coomtalks nowadays. The new pokemon games are barren
>>56796786I remember Kalos and not Unovapost destroyed
>>56796786I remember Paldea and Galar
>>56796786I remember Unova but not kalos. Post truked
>>56796454okay then don't act like the hoenn desert makes sense
>>56796786>but at least it has memorable cities and locationsit really doesn'tkalos is way more memorable
>>56796816>kalos is way more memorablethen why don't i remember it?
>>56796786>but at least it has memorable cities and locationsthen why don't i remember it?
>regions I grew up with... LE MEMORABLE!>regions I DIDN'T grow up with... FORGETTABLE?
/vp/tards when the argument comes down to "I dont remember this thing"
>>56796800>>56796843parroting is an admission of defeat
>>56796849it's the only way kalos can be criticized kekthey can't figure out any actual problems so they have to resort to the "it's le forgettable even though I spend every single day seething about it!" meme
>>56796376NTA but it's called a rain shadow you stupid bitch. Note the smaller mountainous outcrops along the other side. Mountain formations will shield a region from properly receiving rain even in humid environments at times.
I still think they should do a Chile region. Yeah it's not a super wealthy or popular country but it's probably the one place where you can realistically find the diversity of biomes that characterize your average Pokemon game.
The shitposting only proves my pointYou can reduce the argument to "muh remember" but the gen6+ regions almost NEVER get spontaneous, genuine threads and discussion.Feel free to prove me wrong and start from now on. This board could get some new topics
>>56796939>gen6+ regions almost NEVER get spontaneous, genuine threads and discussionThey do though, because you keep seething about them, sagefag.
>>56796939Go look at the wifi or shiny hunting threads.
>>56792420The region on the right is literally just any states of america
>>56796959any one state in america has a tundra, a desert, and a forest all within a few dozen miles?
>>56796993>a few dozen miles?typical foreigner cannot comprehend the hugeness of americanebraska is 430 miles long
>>56796958I'm talking about non-shitposting threads about the region specificallySomething like"Hoenn...home" or a thread about goldenrod city, the victory road etc.Gen6+ games never get threads like this.They have genuine threads about the characters, the gimmicks but never about the region, the map design, itself!That means the regions are mediocre because even the fans don't have much to talk about itAgain, feel free to start making those threads
>>56797022>I'm talking about non-shitposting threads>X...homelollmao even
>>56796644Goldenrod has more to do in it than most cities post Gen 5
>>56797040Goldenrod has more to do in it than most cities in Gen 5
>>56797040>>56797056>pretending you enjoyed the RNG Corner
What are your favorite Gen 6+ cities?
>>56797087kalos-lumoise, the fairy book townalola- completely and utterly forgettable gaylar- mushroom townpalDEIA-never played
>>56797097>absolutely no mention of Po Town at the very leastNow you're just being disingenuous.
>>56797087kalos-dendemille purely for the musicalola-floating boat village i can't remember the name ofand i haven't played anything since usum
>>56797087LumioseAmbrette MaliePo Hau'oliFreezingtonBallonleaLevinciaCascarrafa
Before : Mt moon... dark cave...Now : galar mine 1&2
>>56797056Nimbasa is basically a Goldenrod tier location so I felt to at least give it that grace, but I should have also given some grace to Gen 6 with Lumiose, I think after that though the cities fall off a cliff>>56797065Filtered by Voltorb Flip>>56797087Kalos: Laverre CityAlola: Hau'oli CityDont care after that
>>56797011>hugeness of americaYou mean hugeness of americas
>>56797202*americans
I'm playing Pokemon X and Pokemon Sun for the first time. I'm actually playing Pokemon X for the second time but last time I didn't finish the gyms or the main story and so far Pokemon Sun is a lot more fun despite the cutscenes.
>>56797281Pokemon X isn't offensive, simply bland and mediocre
>>56797217Keyed.
>>56797188most games since Gen 5 operate on a philosophy of having 1-2 cities that matter and then everything else is an afterthought. I don't think it's an overstatement to say that random towns in the older titles are remembered by more people than most cites in the new ones.
>>56797329>you remember something you spent 20 years playingno way
>>56797109all I remember is the little shitty dock boat place my save loads into, rest is forgettable
>>56797341i played through Alola twice within the last 5 years and had to look up what the "Japanese city" was called.I played through Scarlet/Violet last month and couldn't name you a city.
>>56797350Sounds like you just have bad memory. Maybe stop drinking?
>>56797329gen 5 has unique music for every town
>>56797353Make better games and I won't have to.
>>56797329I played gen 5 only once and I still remember most of the places and cities you're talking about gen 6 where they put all their efforts into lumiose city and speedran the rest
>>56797373Driftveil City is a staple
>>56797329I played gen 6 only once and I still remember most of the places and cities you're talking about gen 5 where they put all their efforts into nimbasa city and speedran the rest
>>56796392The immediate rain shawdow of the volcano
>>56797939Hey, didn’t you just get your thread deleted?
>>56797373It was also the first game to give unique remixes for the Gym Leader themes.That's one thing I really like about Gen 5 was all of the tiny music things. The proximity based instruments that would play to the theme of the town. The added jingle when you would run. Seasonal songs.It was the 'music gen'.
>>56797968it's too bad they couldn't put that much effort into the rest of the game
>>56797971I loved the region, which is what this thread is still about, right?I'm an engineering/architecture nerd. So I loved the bridges, and the different house styles with each city. Village Bridge is a favorite for a lot of people because it has both that musical design to it, and is also an interesting location.
>>56798022>I loved the region, which is what this thread is still about, right?yesand the unova region is poorly designed, which is why you're changing subjects to the music
>>56798026>>56797971Yawn
>>56798022Don't reply to baitAlso the region could have been designed better but the cities were well done... which is why I initially said it was the last good one
>>56798039>the cities were well donenahthere's nothing to do in them
>>56798039>Don't reply to baitbut my fellow anon in Arceus. The entire thread is bait. This is how it has been for a while. So we learn to use it to talk about the general topic, which is region designs. And earlier, what constitutes a 'good region', which OP, if they're still around, seem to argue geographical plausibility. Which is fine, I don't care that much about it because I don't think we're at Mushroom Kingdom level yet with rapid changes of biomes.But I haven't played Gen 8 onward, and that's in the OP, so I don't know.Maybe it has.
>>56798073bait = saying something bad about gen 5
>>56798073It's not mushroom kingdom-tier yet but we are rapidly approaching it, hence the "theme park" feelings
>>56798073>But I haven't played Gen 8 onward, and that's in the OP, so I don't know.This is the transition from the cold route in the OP image to the warm sunny city
>>56798147I really wanted to like Gen 8. It has a lot going for it, but it gets shit on all the time. And I every time I look at the list of Pokemon missing from the games, I see a lot of my favorites that I can't transfer forward. Sort of a deal breaker.I mean, again, this doesn't bother me that much.Maybe I just don't RP into the world like other people, where the transition is jarring enough to pull them out of it. I will say they could have smoothed it out a bit. I mean, that's a pretty clear line of snow and then grass and greenery.
>>56798147Why the big ass wall?
>>56798182To keep the White Walkers out.and the Titans.The White Walker Titans.
>>56796798>>56796843>>56796845>>56796849>>56796864>>56796953It's a fact that more people remember Unova locations than Kalos locations, so Unova's are more memorable.>>56798026>the unova region is poorly designedHow so?>>56798045>there's nothing to do in themNo, there's plenty >>56798085Every Gen 5 complaint ITT is a disingenuous one. Why do /vp/seethers never bring up the ACTUAL flaws with any game and instead focus on meme flaws?
>>56792420We got one in SV>>56798236sup sagie
>>56798322You already did maked about 10 posts in this thread , why you acted like you just founded it ?
>That posting style Ugh it's that retard again
>>56798322>zero argument>boogeymanfaggotryEveryone's waiting.
>>56797939parroting is an admission of defeat
>>56793530>the snow blows from Mt Coronet and not Poke-Siberia Ah yes that totally fixes the issue
>>56797087>XYDendemilleLaverreLumioseAnistar SnowbelleThe game’s cities generally pick up in the second half>AlolaMalieSeafolk Po technically not a city but the trailer park adjacent to Tapu VillageAgain, the second half of the game is more interesting
>>56797329I dont think this is entirely true, because I think Gen 3 also had the same problem. A few of the towns in the middle really blend together. The one Wally comes from feels like a waste. I think some regions have more than they need and they become less memorable, Gen 6 is the same way. Gen 5 did make most of them distinct so they stand out to me though, sorry.>>56797373This also helps. Which is why it's good HGSS gave Ecruteak unique music.>>56797939Parroting like this makes you look like a dumbass, if you tell someone you dont remember Castelia, Driftveil, Black City or Accumula you are just lying.
>>56798595>A few of the towns in the middle really blend togethervery fair, places like Verdanturf or Lilcove or Mossdeep are fairly forgettable to me
>>56799164Lilycove I remember because it was the one right before the water routes but otherwise yeah, not much to it.
Good region design:>Johto>Hoenn>SinnohMid Region Design:>Kanto>Unova>KalosDumpster Region Design:>Alola>Galar>PaldeaWhy are the last 3 gens so fucking SHIT? Honestly makes me seethe unironically.
>>56801687im taking Alola before Kalos but other than that i agree; Johto is underrated.
How would this look?
>>56802373If you want a state as a region, California is the only one that makes sense. It's more geographically diverse than any Pokemon region.
>>56803039u dont need super diverse geography to make a region work
>>56804115Yes, but a lot of this thread were spaz boomers who were arguing about geographical diversity. Which in this case I would argue more biomes = more interesting region, but if and only if it makes sense and is well developed.
>>56802373exactly the same as the other 500000 variations you've done, kys david you will never achieve anything
>>56795080Your opinion is retarded and clearly based of nostalgiaDisregarded
>>56796870Nta but you don't get orographic rainfall on a small island in the middle of the oceanYou'd be better off arguing that a previous volcanic eruption cause desertification
>>56792420No because with opens worlds just having a vast space where you can go anywhere when you want is enough. Doesn't matter if it's interesting looking or engaging to navigate they eat that slop up
>>56792424>small island facing the ocean is warmer than a much larger island insulated from the ocean at the same latitudesasuga retard
>>56792420What regions would you say this is referring to?
>>56792543Based
>>56792420>UnovaYou mean, Isshu?
>>56804864PLA honestly did it better, smaller areas sure but the exploration was more engaging beyond finding more microscopic pokemon to catch
>>56807987With certain areas only accessible through game progression that give reason to come back later.
