Now it's confirmed the gap between SM and RGB is of 15 years AT THE VERY LEAST, what the fuck were they doing with pic related?>13-15yo in Kanto according to her concept art>17yo in Alola according to the leaks>even without the leaked age, Trial Captains have to be between 11 and 19yo because 10yo are too young to take part in the island challenge and 20yo are too old, according to the customShe should be at least 28 in Alola if she's 13-15yo in Kanto. Is she a fucking faller that traveled in time too or what?
>>56809688It means that you should probably take the leaks with a grain of salt since they were early concept stuff.Tons of ideas were scrapped and aren't canon.
>>56809688Mina's age isn't even the biggest lore issue in LGPE. Trying to make sense of that game is simply impossible.
>>56809688>Now it's confirmed>NowYou're retarded.
>>56809688I've addressed this. The ages aren't canon, unless stated in the games. The concept ages were just a starting point to work from.I look at my wife Mina and see 22, maybe 23. And call it a day.Or, again. 17 is basically 18. So who cares.Or, it's a fictional character with no age other than how long the art concept has been in existence... so, ten years?Either way, she's mine, I don't share, and I love her dearly.
>>56809688Lgpe isn’t canon
>>56809688Maybe that's why she didn't have a trial in SM.She was already too old, I guess no one actually tried to get the job.
>>56809989This
>>56809688None of these CONCEPT documents are canon. Emphasis on concept. They are only for internal eyes at the beginning of a project to establish a rough creative vision. It's not the be all, end all and aspects about characters change pretty much immediately as the game goes into productiont. a nigga who works in game dev for a big company
>>56809688This, along with the Elesa White Day artwork kills the pedoagefag
>>56809688Holy shit you are fucking retarded OP. One for believing those documents, two for liking Mina
>>56810151>>56810173And yet there are ages stated in-game that matches the docs. That means these can't be dismissed blindly.
>>56809742>>56810151>>56810173You guys should probably learn to read.>The leaks don't change the inconsistency in Mina's age.The leaks don't change the inconsistency in Mina's age.>The leaks don't change the inconsistency in Mina's age.The leaks don't change the inconsistency in Mina's age.>The leaks don't change the inconsistency in Mina's age.The leaks don't change the inconsistency in Mina's age.
>>56809688Mina's appearance in LGPE isn't canon to the rest of the franchise, she's just there to offer an outlet to battle Fairy Types, which aren't properly represented by a type expert in Kanto.
>>56810306yeah ultimately i'm just curious if LGPE should be disregarded as part of any timeline. or if any game is truly in any timeline at this point.
>>56809688LGPE is a Mickey mouse game you would do well to ignore it
Mina is sweaty sex
>>56810349Like said in >>56809759 LGPE has bigger timeline issues than Mina. Like Red and Team Rocket.
>>56810349It's inherently impossible to connect to any other games thanks to (You) and your friendly buttfaggot rival replacing the roles of Red and Blue and pushing them back to "having already went on their journeys prior to Team Rocket starting their operations that Red would normally get impeded by and subsequently dismantle in order to continue his journey."
>>56810349>or if any game is truly in any timelineThey clearly are, pic related is from gen 5, Matsumiyan's timeline is basically the same and was up to ORAS, and SM (both in leaks and concept art) mention 2 years since XY/BW2. Galar also has Type Null now because they got the docs from Aether Foundation, but only 3 of them existed in the Alola games, so Galar is after Alola, and finally SV has Sonia's book written about the events of her game so there IS a timeline>RG and RS>GS and DP>BW>BW2 and XY>SM>SS>SV
>>56809688LGPE is too incompatible with everything else to think it ever fit. We also knew, and discussed(even here, on /vp/ where facts are usually ignored over headcanon) this inconsistency for years.
>>56810349LGPE doesn't. Its clearly not supposed to be a traditional game anyways.Everything else is mostly coherent with what they've said.
>>56810370>Like Red and Team RocketRed just had his journey earlier and Chase took his role in that universe?
>>56810454Blue in HGSS says>Who are you? My name's Blue. I was once the Kanto Champion. Although it was short-lived thanks to Red… Anyway, take a good look around you…So he and Red were the champions, not Chase and Trace.
Ruby and Sapphire was supposed to be set 7 years before Red and Blue if you read the pitch document that was even picked up by groups swearing they're not going to share any of the leaks.
>>56810483>Blue in HGSSHGSS is the non-mega universe. Let's Go is clearly a megaverse.
>>56810519Yet >>56810405 and pic related show the changed their minds.Hell the actual games already show they changed their minds, the PC system is expanded from Kanto to the rest of the world because Red uses the ruby and the sapphire in Sevii Islands, and the chick responsible of Hoenn's PC worked on some improvements for Bill as you can see in her emails, gen 1 and gen 3 have been taking place roughly at same time since the games dropped
>>56810521Anon, this whole discussion already assumes your poketuber's headcanon is wrong. Mina's age is only an issue if you try to fit her in the actual timeline.Otherwise, there's no contradiction, LGPE happened a small time prior to Gen 7 and that's it.
>>56810561>your poketuber's headcanon is wrongI have never watched a single poketuber video so I genuinely have no idea what the fuck this is refering to so I will ignore it for now but feel free to explain it, please.>there's only an issue if you ignore the problemsYeah?
>>56810704*if you don't ignore the problemssorry
>>56810704>I have never watched a single poketuber video so I genuinely have no idea what the fuck this is refering to so I will ignore it for now but feel free to explain it, please.Its refering to the retarded narrative you've been pushing since 2014 that literally every subsequent generation kept disproving.>Yeah?I never said anything about ignoring the problems. I said they only come if you try putting LGPE in the actual timeline, not on your retarded headcanon.
>>56809688LGPE was handed by a different writting team and they probably thought it was a cute easter egg, nothing moreIf you find a timeline inconsistency in the games 99% of the time you will find your answer in the credits and notice an scenario writer was missing
>>56810743>Its refering to the retarded narrative you've been pushing since 2014 Again, no idea what you are talking about. Wanna tell me or are you too busy babbling about people I don't know or care about?>I never said anything about ignoring the problems, just that they only come if you try to apply logicAnon...
>>56810743>>56810920wait nevermind I got it, you are one of those retards who think an universe with megas existing, separatedly from the universe where megaevolution isn't known, is some eceleb's headcanon and not literally what the game tells you>"My people know it. From generation to generation, we pass along the lore about the distortions in the world borne by the Mega Evolution mechanism. And about the existence of another world, which we have long observed to be just like this one and yet not the same... That's right. A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in. Filled with Pokémon and people like us. A world where maybe the evolution of Pokémon took a slightly different path, where Mega Evolution is unknown... A world where that war 3,000 years ago...never happened. A world where the ultimate weapon was never even built. And in that Hoenn of that world... What would happen if one day, out of the blue, a meteoroid appeared? What would happen to the people of that world, without the technology to destroy the meteoroid or the power to warp it away? ... Looks like it's beyond the power of your imagination."Sucks to be you
It's probably just LGPE being non-canon trash and Mina being a retarded cameo to shoehorn fairy types but it would be way funnier if Mina canonically got sucked by an ultrawormhole at some point, ended up in the LGPE universe past and then returned to her home world in present Alola, kept aging and then SM happened and she never mentioned anything like that because he obviously does drugs
>>56810941>you are one of those retards who think an universe with megas existing, separatedly from the universe where megaevolution isn't known, is some eceleb's headcanon and not literally what the game tells youNo, you've tried this retarded defense for 10 years. Get new material.Also, you're the one who doesn't care what the game tells you. Try, for instance, actually reading the text you pasted. It doesn't at all say what you want it to say.
>>56811104>this schizo thinks everyone who played ORAS and could read (unlike him) is the same person"Sucks to be you"
>>56811118I literally never said that. Learn to read.
>>56809688LGPE isn't canon obviously.
>>56811129>he can't even read (or remember) his own postsSucks to be you indeed
>>56811159If you could read you could've already quoted the post where i allegedly said so.But them again, in 10 years you couldn't read a game for kids.
>>56811205>if my post is retarded why did you reply to him without quoting the entire thing?Yeah sucks to be you, you aren't even fun. Do you have better material? I really have no reason to keep entertaining a retard who can't read a videogame for kids
I've seen this guy babble about poketubers when someone mentions the mega universe for years and I wonder when will we learn our lessons (his lesson is learning to read, ours is replying to him)anyway LGPE a shit
>>56811488If you think the problem was ever the mega unvierse(as in, teh universe that has megas) and not the headcanon that Gen 6 was a reboot that excludes all previous games then you're the one that can't read.
>>56811546this schizo can't make this shit up
>>56812114>>56810521
>>56812132>>56812114
>ignores evidenceas expected.
With some alterations, LGPE could easily be a reality where Giovanni truly returned to Team Rocket after Gold/Ethan failed to stop him. That way, the older Red and Gary would make a bit more sense.Of course, KAAAANTOOO will need to be slightly altered for that. But honestly - Genwunners don't give a shit about anything beyond the Gameboy so they should alter away.
>>56809688LGBT is a shitty spin-off that doesn't make sense.
>>56812165I just want them to finish building that damn building in Vermilion. Blue. Silver. Leaf Green. Soul Silver. Still preparing the foundation.I've been waiting for a while to see what they put there.I'm going to be unreasonably pissed if it's like a tiny commemorative statue of a boat or something.
>>56811546>Gen 6 was a reboot that excludes all previous games then you're the one that can't read.Soft reboot same as how Gen 3 was a soft reboot and why that timeline uses FRLG for their Kanto Story and not RGB/Y. Call it headcanon all you want but from that Zinnia quote it shows a universe without Megas exists and it just so happens 3-5 would satisfy that requirement. I don't see why the 3 "main"(4 if you wanna count GO and LGPE) universe model of pokemon is so out there.
>>56809688If it's not in the game, it isn't canon. Cut content gets cut for a reason. If this timeline had been in the game, her ages would have been different. But it wasn't, so they weren't. There.
>>56809688Different continuities, parallel universes, and most importantly RETCONSRemember when there was America, China, South America, and real animals in Pokemon? Well nothing stops them from reconfiguring the timeline, Marvel and DC do this all the time, even Charlie Brown, Linus is many years older than Sally, but then the author adapted her to Linus' age.
>>56812165Sabrina has a line about not facing someone as strong as you until 3 years in the future and Cinnabar is still intact, this isn't after RGB, it's alt RGB. The only difference is Red and Blue having their adventures early
>>56812255I've noticed this in franchises like Street Fighter, KOF, even Gorillaz, where part of the cast ages but the others stay the same, what is this trope called?In some cases it has even been justified, like in Dragon Ball.
>>56812337Floating Timeline's the term you're looking for.
>>56812234> that timeline uses FRLG for their Kanto Story and not RGB/YLiterally the scenario writer had RG in the same timeline.> Call it headcanon all you want It is.> it just so happens 3-5 would satisfy that requirementNo, gen 1 and 2 do too. Which were included in the same timeline by the scenario writer and in >>56810405. Not to mention later games which also don't have megas and you arbitrarily include as "megaverses">t. I don't see why the 3 "main"(4 if you wanna count GO and LGPE) universe model of pokemon is so out there.Because its based on assumptions that were never true in the first place and every single gen since 6 has debunked. I'll reply with which next post(and save it for copypasta for every time you insist with this).HGSS is not "mega verse" is just the events of Ethan's journey. Whether it happened in a world with megas or otherwise is irrelevant.
>>568124221-Its based on the assumption that the events on a game can't be the version in more than one universe. The matsumiya timeline includes Black and White, two games explicitly said to be paralel worlds, meaning that isn't a factor.2-Its also based on the notion that Zinnia's statement applies to all remakes which is wrong too as the Matsumiya timeline includes the originals despite the fact that B2W2 use remake designs. The leaked document from Bw also reafirms that the remakes from gen 1 and 2 are interchangeable. This is not helped by the fact that the matsumiya tweet is usually posted with the covers from the remakes despite the tweet having kanji.3-It also assumes mega evolutions are the only way a pokemon can become stronger; meaning Colress should've been researching mega evos in B2W2. This is not only retarded but Gen 7 has him literally say Z-moves(itself already another power up method) might be stronger than mega evos.4-The fourth assumption was the existence of unseen "Mega Unova" or "Mega SInnoh" events that would be feature in the remakes. Making up a non-existent game would already be seen as crazy in any other fanbase, but when the Sinnoh remakes came(the coveted Mega Sinnoh) came out, they had no megas.5-Finaly, there's the absolutely retarded assumption that games should have megas as a mechanic to be part of a world with megas. Which not only is retarded on its own but even you had to accept it was wrong due to Roaring Moon's dex entry. If you had an ounce of honesty, you'd at least be rewriting your entire headcanon because this assumption was key.Your headcanon only works if you make this baseless assumptions that go directly against actual material we have.
>>56812422>Literally the scenario writer had RG in the same timeline.But it also has FRLG separate from them >No, gen 1 and 2 do too.yes in their own other pre gen3 universe >Not to mention later games which also don't have megas and you arbitrarily include as "megaverses"they're still canon in those games
>>56812468>But it also has FRLG separate from them Not really. FRLG is not in the tweet.>yes in their own other pre gen3 universe Literally the scenario writer had them in the same timeline.>they're still canon in those gamesThen you can't claim only games with megas as mechanic are in worlds with megas, crumbling the whole thing.
>>56812477>Then you can't claim only games with megas as mechanic are in worlds with megas, crumbling the whole thing.I don't retard I claim 3 universes 1,23,4,56 onward 3 and 6 were soft reboots
>>56812485Prove it.
>>56812494FRLGORAS
>>56812433>1-Its based on the assumption that the events on a game can't be the version in more than one universe. The matsumiya timeline includes Black and White, two games explicitly said to be paralel worlds, meaning that isn't a factor.I'd like to further get into this by mentioning both Black and White explicitly mentioned events from exactly Platinum.>>56812485There's zero evidence for any of this. Hell, ORAS can't even be used as accurate evidence since it wasn't written by the usual scenario writer and Zinnia is talking complete nonsense throughout the game. It's just as logical to assume that she's talking about the Mystery Dungeon Rescue Team universe, and is retarded because regular Fug dealt with that shit just fine.
>>56812234Mina's age isn't leaked cut content, it's officially revealed concept art
>>56812505>FRLGFun Fact: The usual scenario writer has never been the main scenario writer for a Kanto title. Regardless, he explicitly lists Gen 1 whenever he's historically listed the games, rather than the remakes. Which isn't to say they're non-canon, but that he doesn't consider them to be functionally different in any way that matters.
>enter thread>it's the retard who uses matsumiyan tweet as "evidence" for no timelinesHe has been doing this shit for years let him die
>>56812505What about them?
>>56812506>Zinnia is talking complete nonsense throughout the game.she was right
>>56812521Neither side is saying that to be fair.
>>56812519And yet it's FRLG you have the Ruby and Saphire and Sevii Islands but not in gen 1 that's a minor detail yes but it's what makes it connect to the hoenn games that gen 1 and 2 lack
>>56812506>Zinnia is talking complete nonsense throughout the gameEvery single time a retard tries to say something about ORAS' Delta Episode he always says this. Is this a problem of your third world translation or you just can't read? Zinnia's grandma outright confirms everything she said is correct. EVERYTHING. Die mad, loser
>>56812548NTA, but games generally do not refer to games that weren't made at the time.Street Fighter 2 for instance doesn't reference SF 5.Its funny you want to convince people you aren't pushing headcanon with unhinged shit like this.
>>56812530Here >>56812422
>>56812577>NTA, but games generally do not refer to games that weren't made at the time.And yet Pokemon does, Strange Souvenir ring any bells for you?
>>56812580Anon, literally my first sentence says "in the same timeline" addressing the fact that the tweet has a timeline, meaning its evidence for the existence of a timeline.Seriously learn to read.
>>56812595If you could read, you'd know the meaning of the word "generally". Not surprising you still can't read a game for toddlers that came out in 2014.
>>56812599literally in my post I said timelines in plural because you think there's only one, not the old one and the mega one like it has been confirmed since foreverseriously learn to read and kys already
>>56812570Post the line, and make sure to highlight where it says it's a separate timeline.
>>56810173Hey fuck you, Mina a cute.
>>56812614So you admit Pokemon does refer to games not yet made?
>>56812622>because you think there's only oneI literally never said this. If you're confused, please quote where do you think I did.>not the old one and the mega one like it has been confirmed since foreverSpreading headcanon is not confirmation anon. I already explained why its retarded.Also, there were multiple timelines prior to ORAS, you'd know this if you actually played the games instead of letting others tell you what to think.That the multiverse configuration doesn't match your headcanon doesn't mean there's no multiverse, it means the actual one doesn't match your headcanon as I've been telling you every single time you pulled this retarded defense.>>56812631You'd know the answer to this if you could read.
>>56810213You are unbelievably retarded. That is called a coincidence. No one's dismissing them, they're just saying that it shouldn't be taken seriously except for in cases where the games support it. Which is like what? Maybe 10 or so characters out of hundreds?
>>56812631Yes. It also never says there's specifically three timelines, as established in BW and SM.
>>56810306Newflash, they make shit up as they go along. We are becoming as bad as Zeldafags. There is no deep lore anymore at least and they will change rules as they see fit since they've got too much on their fucking hands to worry about the continuity of Mina's age between SM or LGPE, or a fictional characters age in general past a rough ballpark number for design purposes. I don't think they give a fuck
>>56810358LGPE is 100% canon, sorry bud>>56810519Niggas don't understand what a concept is
>>56810964>>56811131LGPE is 100% canon
>>56812652wait are you being autistic in the way that you count gen 5 as two separate universes thus in your mind disproving the "3" number?
>>56810964>>56811131LGPE is 100% canon since it connects to HOME
>>56812678This is the harsh reality that every autist on this board is trying their hardest to avoid accepting
>>56812652I never denied the existence of the mega timeline parallel to the normal one btw the existence of the mega timeline parallel to the normal one is headcanon and retarded because..Into the trash it goes
>>56812703Anon, Gen 5 IS two universes, as said in the battery cell subquest. Its not autistic to consider them 2 universes and less so if you're already discussing fucking pokemon's timeline. Also, wouldn't that alone imply I think there's more than one universe? Keep in mind the only thing I'm interested in is the quote at this point.That said, if you mean 3 as in >>56812485 then no, there's multiple evidence that discredit this that was already posted. BW being 2 universes is technically not an evidence as of itself, just a part of it.
>>56812678>Newflash, they make shit up as they go alongYeah just like Caitlin was drafted as 17 in Platinum but later official statements say she was made 14yo in that game and then an adult in BW, matching how her sheet for BW says she's like 25, about a decade older than in her final ageyou clearly have not been following the leaks, they have stuff like Kyurem watching the future in MD being secret notes they made for him pre-BW
>>56812764Alright so you know what a faggot is right it's a bundle of sticks, all the minor differences in gen 5 that's the sticks the faggot is the metauniverse that is gen 5 and each stick is black/white
>>56812797The quote please?
>>56812787Insane cope
>>56809688the two games aren't in the same canon. it's that simple
>>56812823apparently not as this thread has shown
>>56809688LGPE’s story doesn’t matter and doesn’t fit into the continuity of the rest of the games. Red doesn’t even defeat Team Rocket in this version despite this being referenced in other games, so Mina’s age shouldn’t matter. Theres a reason nothing from these games is referenced in future titles.
>>56812878yeah but even if it's isolated in its own universe it's weird how the dates are changed, the mega stuff is its own universe too but it matches the normal one
okay but we agree LGPE Mina is way hotter than SM Mina right
>>56813968they're the same person wtf
>>56809786Trial Captains quit at 20. She can't be any older than that and be a trial captain.
>>56812306Those would be some of the alterations, that and Janine in place of Koga I guess, unless Koga got fired.
>>56809759Yep the game simply is not canon or is only canon to itself. Maybe it’s canon to only Go.
>>56814177same differenceIn-universe, my character is a kid, so it works out if she's younger. Out of universe, she ages as the game ages.Old wife, young wife. One thing's certain, she's my wife.
>>56809688Why would you even think for a moment that LGPE was canon to anything?
>>56813992One of them is hot, the other is meh
>>56816533Plus the hottest one can't get pregnant
>>56818035That's not a good thing tho, why wouldn't you want to get your own Mina the second?
