Leaks are over. Give up.

>>56835400
we said that for days before we got those 40GB, it's never over until the leaker says so

>All this scrapped, repurposed or dropped shit for XY
What the fuck did XY do to deserve this?

>>56835158
This thing should have been axed instead of Mikon.
Sinnoh has too many Legendaries/Mythicals anyway.

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>>56835400
Giving up is for losers!

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>>56835420
Haha, I don't really know.

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>>56835420
rushed holiday sales. i remember when pokemon games were usually lauched mid spring or early fall.

>>56835453
could something like that scientifically work?

>>56835420
Nothing, absolutely nothing. These leaks show just how shit working there must be. Imagine mapping out a massive region (compared to the final product) with each route and town having a purpose in-game, only for the higher-ups to have a meeting and scrap what is likely weeks of your work.

Think there's a chance leakerman has the Kaiju Zukan?

>>56835460
I don't know how much we want to shoot concentrated electomagnetic waves through our atmosphere, aimed at us.
Like at that height, even a single angle off is the difference between the middle of nowhere and, like, London.

>>56835460
yeah there's theory on it. beam the light up to a satelltie and beam it down somewhere else you only lose a lot if there's an atmosphere and more with cloud cover
technically itd be pretty efficient for life on mars/moon/etc

>>56835480
Not a chance

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>>56835429
Phione shouldn't have been cut but it should had the Carbink treatment instead. As it stands it's in a dex bloat positon because it's tied to another, stronger and more promoted mythical. I wish you could find it without Manaphy in PLA

>>56835460
That's a real photograph

>>56835420
>First 3D game of an inexperienced hack studio
>First worldwide release game meaning knowtowing to gaijing cuckery
>Yokai Watch happening making TPC quake in its boots
>20th anniversary happening making them want a new generation for "maximum hype"
Absolutely everything that could go wrong for XY went wrong for it. Just plain unlucky. Born in the worst possible spot.

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Please. I keep looking for Lysandre’s artwork in a non blurry resolution.

>>56835493
Why? We know GF scanned all their old documents, so there are digital copies somewhere in their system.
https://gamingreinvented.com/news/game-freak-digitises-early-pokemon-design-docs-saves-them-for-future-generations/

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>>56835386
>Sunglass

>>56835526
Honestly, if there's something worth praising about GF, is how they've gone out of the way to carefully and painstakingly preserved and archived all of their history from even before day 1.

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Has been leaked the plans for Sword/Shield?

>>56835551
Go back to Russia.

>>56835549
Probably something instilled in them by Nintendo who is extremely dedicated to internal preservation

>>56835526
Yeah, and judging by how little Gen 1 shit the leaker got I strongly doubt he ever saw any of it.

>>56835420
Some ideas were clearly being saved for Z.

>>56835551
has not been leaked the plans for sword/shield, comrade.

>>56835400
There’s still Pokemon Home and xy_project idiot

>>56835513
At risk of sounding like a retard, the back and forth with NoE is probably the least intensive part of the development cycle. Every single thing we've seen has been artwork that can be changed in an afternoon, some things likely in literal minutes.

Happy 100 anons!

>>56835580
do we know if the leakers has at least documents for it?

>>56835586
Home most certainly isn't leaking considering the leaker's autism about possibly leaking future content, and the leaker isn't releasing xy_project either because it's both incomplete and because the relevant parts of xy_project are in sango_project's commit history anyway.
>>56835593
Yeah, this, and Pokemon's been consulting with legal teams and trying to avoid controversy ever since Red and Blue's international release and the drama over Pokemon like Jynx. The only difference with XY and SM is that we got more looks into the process.

>#100
conglaturation

>>56835614
nyet.
from what I understand, leaker is a fag and may or may not leak switch pokemon games based on how he feels.
other anons can elaborate.

Reposting the compilation of translations for some of the design documents for some pokemon
https://files.catbox.moe/v3lcuv.rar
If you want the original JP files they are here
>>56806299

Is there a place where it is organized by gen?

>>56835460
anon space based solar is a really old concept

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>>56835158
Why couldn't they just throw it in a water area? Just make it a universal 1-2% encounter from fishing/surfing in Sinnoh. Then it would at least be remembered as an early game powerhouse like Dunsparce.

>>56835714
>Just make it a universal 1-2% encounter from fishing/surfing in Sinnoh
That's unironically too common, there's way worse surfing/fishing encounters. Lapras in BW(2) for example is a 5% surf encounter...... in rippling water

>>56835524
black suit, red trim, fur scarf, red ascot, black fingerless gloves, black loafers.
very bold.
Also, considering that he's supposed to be rich from the holocaster? if I remember right? I sure don't recall using that thing a whole lot.

>>56835782
He was (probably) already rich from being descendant of the old king but his lab also created holocaster. He used it a few times in story.

>>56835753
Rippling water didn't exist yet. The closest to that in all of Sinnoh are the 4 Feebas tiles in Mt. Coronet which it's a common encounter anyway

>>56835908
The point is, 1% is too common. Phione should be more bullshit to find than the ones like Munchlax. Maybe if it appears in 4 tiles across all pool of water across Sinooh that reset everytime you find it and then it instantly flees after one turn meaning you should Master Ball it. That could work.

>>56835420
The bw pitch bible described how they wanted that generation to go on for 4 years. BW launches in 2010 in Japan, everywhere else in 2011. Meanwhile the 3ds launches in 2011 to sluggish sales. Wouldn’t be surprised that Nintendo pushed game freak to rush out Gen 6 in 2013 in order to get 3DSs in the hands of people.

At the same time, yokai watch launches in 2013 and starts to become a Japanese phenomenon. Game freak gets scared and, rather than put all the cut XY content into the planned Z sequels, rushes out Gen 7 - complete with all of the changes that were designed to help it compete with yokai watch.

Basically, XY was caught at the wrong time. Shit had they followed through on their Gen 5 plans, whatever final Gen 5 game could’ve launched in 2014 and XY could’ve been the 20th anniversary game.

>>56835957
>you said bullshit, not "gangrape you in the ass by niggers"

>>56835964
XY on 3DS in 2016, hmm, shitch comes out one year later.
holiday 2015 makes alittle more sense.
would be better though.

>>56835964
That BW pitch bible was dated to 2007, they clearly changed their plans by 2010 because the very first XY document from June 2010 has a planned release date of 2013.

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>>56835460
In theory, Space elevators work by using the centripetal force of the earth’s rotation to keep a long tether up.

>>56835479
>Imagine mapping out a massive region (compared to the final product)
Don't be overly dramatic. That's like saying the Battle Zone is half of Sinnoh.
>with each route and town having a purpose in-game
The cities and routes on south kalos have no labels indicating any facilities there meaning they still weren't sure what would be there.

>>56836004
>Masuda pitches BW to be 4 years
>Decides to rush it to 3 once he's done with BW

The fuck was he thinking?

>>56836004
They always start working on the next gen when they finish the first games of the generation.

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BTFO FAGGOT

>>56836045
He didn't rush shit. Gen 3 and 4 had a 4 years period because DP and Platinum took a long-ass amount of time to release, not unlike what's happening to Z-A now (though Z-A is more extreme since it's the only other Gen 9 game)

>>56836059
Yes and XY was scheduled to 2013 before BW even released. Meaning 4 years of Gen 5 was just an initial draft and not overcorrection from Unova poor popularity or whatever, neither they were rushing the following generations. 3 years is just how it naturally goes. People love to forget Johto took 3 years.

>scrap the end of gen 5 and push it to gen 6 because people didn't like it
>rush gen 6 because the 20th anniversary is coming and never recover most of what you prepared for it
>now people dislike BW and XY
Bravo
Just bravo

>>56835566
me in the pic. I really hope they include references to the characters like the rivals and professor and lysandre. Maybe even meet AZ as he travels

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This breaks my pokemon fan heart man, I literally got into /vp/ during XY leak season, I remember when Zygarde was leaked, I remember when his two Land Wrath variant moves were leaked, and I remember how sure I was we would get Pokemon XZ and Pokemon YZ, one where Zygarde gets involved with Xerneas and uses Thousand Waves and one where he gets involved with Yveltal and uses Thousand Arrows.
And I was right. We were right. They just nerfed Fenrir Zygarde and left Angrboda Zygarde as the only super form, then shoved them to gen 7. The nostalgia mixes with the robbery into such a bittersweet feeling I can't properly describe

>>56835460
Yes. As others have said, it’s not really practical for space to earth transmission because you lose too much energy (and it could be dangerous). Transmitting energy through space / thinner atmospheres? That might be in the cards.

I think I remember reading about China building some of these setups for sending power to Earth, but knowing them, it’s probably made of cardboard.

Wireless power transmission is all over the place, otherwise. RFID is super common. I believe coupled inductors are responsible for things like wireless phone chargers.

>>56836183
wistfulness

>>56835386
TL;DR: we have nearly all of the assets in relation to the development of generations 1-9, inlcluding future games. This also include source-codes for nearly all of their games, design documents for both the mainline as spinooff materials (like the movies, anime, TCG, etc.), and other such goodies from their servers.

Since this is a very large haul from the Hack theft, we have to be patient with the drips as it would take a while to compile them all.

>>56836299
no shit retard

its really too late for this but I would've put "come and look through this yourself for what you want, or it'll be forgotten"
a recognition of the fact that during the gigaleak, different groups documented what they were interested in, and the rest was memory holed

>>56825125
do you guys know where I can find this file?

>>56835691
Is there any mention of any Zodiac stuff? There is too much text and I don't want to read it all

>>56836353
in an emerald folder

>>56835420
french

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This and the gigaleak have only continued to reaffirm, in my view, the actual problems with Game Freak's development cycle. It's not that TPC is breathing down their neck. It's not even that they, necessarily, keep running out of time. No, Game Freak's problem is clearly their increasingly outdated, inflexible and overly preplanned development workflow that's incredibly inefficient, misallocates manpower, leaves little room for flexibility, experimentation or significant reworking during the development process, and results in Game Freak cutting things at the first sign of trouble. They don't need more time, time wouldn't save them, what they need new leadership and a radical overhaul of their development processes.

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>>56835513
>>56835964
Based Yokai Watch made us get the Alola girls. Without it we would have been TRULY robbed.

>>56836120
And
>Ruin your 20th anniversary game by releasing it in pre-alpha, unable to finish the cool rockpools, golf course minigame and many other caves throughout the region

Any progress with Hayabusa's PC build?
Does it still need a custom NVIDIA driver?

yawnfag status?

>>56836525
Busy trolling as usual, do you honestly think this changes his MO at all? He doesn't give a shit about being wrong because he's a troll, if he did he would've been chased off this board years ago.

>>56836352
Expecting documentation from anonymous aspies or discord faggots is only a step below expecting a winning lotto ticket in terms of probability.

The best we will ever get for meaningful documentation is TCRF, or for (you) or any other singular anon to host a repo with summaries to each and every single thing with a textfile in the thousands of lines. AKA it will never happen.

>>56836103
Well, at least that makes Pokémon like Buzzwhole that dimension's equivalent to Cobalion or Heatran.

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We're never going to learn what region Melmetal is clsssified to, aren't we?

>>56835498
>I wish you could find it without Manaphy in PLA
They have a slim chance of spawning in the cave you find Manaphy in after you catch it.

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>>56836103
He's actually right partially. UBs aren't "legendaries" (ex. Suicine) but they are grouped together with legendaries and mythicals. Basically a third group.

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>>56835479

That's just how gamedev works. XY was the big jump to 3d so they probably were constantly throwing ideas around that never went anywhere. If the leaker wasn't a dope we would probably have this level of info for the other titles as well.

>>56835429
Mikon deserved to be axed. Vulpix is already perfectly designed and balanced for the early game, and there’s no need to another shitty useless baby mon for that. Give a baby mon to something that would actually benefit from it in game progression, like Lapras or Skarmory.

>>56836623
As of now, they came from our world.

>>56836542
A common problem people have. The topic is just bait, they don't even care, or maybe they even *disagree* about what they're saying. They're just saying it to bait and ruin threads.

>>56835614
I don't think even the leaker knows everything he has. Small but nonzero chance there's docs

>>56836746
Don't you mean Tauros/Miltank and Kangaskhan?

>>56836817
if shitloads of autists can't comb through all this in a month, there's no way in hell this fag knows what he has.

Using the Gamefreak definition of Legendary

>Appears once per game
>No Eggs Discovered

We can conclude a few things:

>UBs fit the description of Legendary but they are considered a different but analogous group
>Paradox Pokémon does not fit the description of Legendary Pokémon since they are not unique
>The Paradox beasts and the Paradox swords of justice however fit the description of Legendary
>Cap Pikachu, Cosplay Pikachu and Ash-Greninja fit the definition of Legendary but they're not considered ones in this document
>No one else fit the description of Legendary without already being considered so

The localization documents are fascinating. It's answering a lot of questions I've had for a long time. They actually have a Japanese given name for Cedric Juniper in these documents but say it won't appear in-game. He's always been known as アララギパパ (Araragi Papa) in Japanese, but his actual name is アララギキャラボク (Araragi Kyaraboku), variety of Japanese Yew.

I also laughed at GF's annoyance that localized screwed up all the badge names for all the ice Gyms up through BW.

>>56836817
that's true, I think even these 40 GB are sooo hard to dissect on your own

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>We still know nothing about that scrapped form Celesteela was supposed to have at one point

Seriously where the fuck is it in the leaks

>>56836623
No, using the same lack of logic a Phione, it's in the "Don't bring it up in public" category. It doesn't have a region even if it would make things easier if it was just assigned one, because GF would rather torture themselves than be organized,

>>56836910
Also the localization document for BW has finalized character ages which I think match up.

Professor Juniper: 30
Cedric Juniper: 55
Cheren ("Norris"): 14
Bianca ("Camilla"): 14 (really funny because I remember fan translations translating Kamitsure (Elesa) as Camilla)
Cilan ("Grady"): 14
Chili ("Coburn"): 14
Cress ("Efrain"): 14
Lenora: 35
Burgh: 21
Elesa: 15
Clay: 55
Skyla: 18
Brycen: 44
Iris: 10
Drayden ("Siri"): 69
Grimsley: 27
Caitlin: 20s (they really wanted to be ambiguous)
Shauntal: 18
Marshal: 27
Alder ("Pine"): 57
Loblolly: 20s

Even though they have Hilbert and Hilda listed, they have no ages listed for them. Same for Ingo, Emmet, everyone involved in Team Plasma (N, Ghetsis, the Seven Sages, Anthea, Concordia), Fennel, and Amanita. They do however have name origins.

>>56824890
>Gardevoir (Sirnight)
>Psycho+Knight (ナイト), also sir and night (ナイト).
Well, it's the common cited etymology. Nothing surprising but it's good to have confirmation. In addition it says the localization avoided using 'sir' to not make it sound like a male noun.

>>56836910
Too bad that this is the type of information that wikis are too pussy to do updates for and will eventually be lost. Same for name etymologies.

>>56837017
Don't those ages match those of the last draft document which was still dated to 2008?

>>56836623

Why exactly is he made of hex nuts. How is that connected to GO/LGPE in any way?

>>56837017
>(really funny because I remember fan translations translating Kamitsure (Elesa) as Camilla)
Camila is Elesa's spanish name

>>56837026
I think you meant
>Sirnight may be a combination of sir (an honorific for male knights), knight, Syrinx (a nymph from ancient Greek mythology), and possibly a pun of さあ、ナイト saa, naito ("Come here, Knight").

>>56836967
Didn't we get some inkling of a scrapped Ultra Beast recently?

>>56837017
Weird that the Subway Masters and Team Plasma don't have ages considering their Gen 4 and 6 equivalents have all documented.

I honestly think one of the weirdest things these leaks have revealed about Game Freak's development is that they never finalize their character documents. They just keep the drafts, forever. They even send these drafts that don't line up with the final characters to third-parties like DeNA. It doesn't make any sense.

>>56836857
>>Only one can be caught per save file.
>>Cannot be breed, nor a special form of one that can be breed
>>Never before being available through limited distrubution.
>UBs fit the description of Legendary but they are considered a different but analogous group
They're in the Legendary Raid Den of SwSh, so they count (though it's for Galar specifically)
>Paradox Pokémon does not fit the description of Legendary Pokémon since they are not unique
Only Paradox Legendaries counts by default, though Walking Wake and Iron Leaves are more Mythical due to raid events.
>Cap Pikachu, Cosplay Pikachu and Ash-Greninja fit the definition of Legendary but they're not considered ones in this document
Special form of breed-able Pokémon doesn't count (especially the ones in Go).

Red, Green, Blue, FireRed, LeafGreen, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, OmegaRuby, AlphaSapphire (1996-1997):
>Red: Confirmed 11
>Delia: 29 (anime)
>Green Oak: Confirmed 11
>Daisy Oak: Confirmed 11+
>Misty: 12 (manga)
>Brock: 15 (anime)
>Sabrina: 21 (manga)
>Primo: Confirmed 27
>Bill: 15 (manga) in
>Brendan: Confirmed 12
>May: Confirmed 12
>Norman: 37
>Norman's wife: 32
>Birch: Confirmed 35
>Max: 7 (anime)
>Wally: Confirmed 10
>Briney: Confirmed 72
>Roxanne: 14
>Brawly: 22
>Wattson: 67
>Flannery: 25
>Winona: 16
>Tate: 10
>Liza: 10
>Wallace: 34
>Lisia: 13
>Sidney: 27
>Phoebe: 14
>Glacia: 32
>Drake: 53
>Steven Stone: 25
>Joseph Stone: Confirmed 52
>Stern: Confirmed 57
>Takao Cozmo: Confirmed 40
>Aarune: Confirmed 25
>Tabitha: Confirmed 27
>Courtney: 22
>Maxie: 34
>Matt: 27
>Shelly: 34
>Archie: 34
>Greta: 13
>Brandon: 46
>Spenser: 88
>Zinnia: Unknown ("appear to be in late teens")

Gold, Silver, Cystal, HeartGold, Soul Silver, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, BrilliantDiamond, ShiningPearl (1999-2000):
>Ethan: 12
>Lyra: 12
>Silver: Confirmed "about the protagonist's age"
>Pryce: Confirmed 50+
>Clair: Early 20s
>Karen: 25-26 (manga)
>Will: 22-23 (manga)
>Maximo: 30
>Lucas: 12
>Dawn: 12
>Barry: 12
>Rowan: Confirmed 60 (originally 70)
>Oak: Confirmed 50
>Roark: 15
>Gardenia: 18
>Wake: 37
>Maylene: 10
>Fantina: 32
>Candice: 16
>Byron: 51
>Volkner: 24
>Aaron: 19
>Bertha: 56
>Flint: Mid 20s (confirmed 20+ in anime)
>Lucian: Early 30s
>Cynthia: 28
>Mars: 22
>Jupiter: 24
>Saturn: 25
>Charon: 71
>Cyrus: Confirmed 27
>Caitlin Dendrobium: Confirmed 14 (originally 17)
>Darach: 25
>Argenta: 42
>Thorton: 14
>Dahlia: 24
>Looker: 43

>>56837108
Black, White (2010-2011):
>Hilbert: Confirmed 14 (originally 15-16)
>Hilda: Confirmed 14 (originally 15-16)
>Cheren: Confirmed 14
>Bianca: Confirmed 14
>Aurea Juniper: 30
>Cedric Juniper: 55
>Loblolly: 20s
>Chili: 15, then 14 ("same as the main character")
>Cylan: 15, then 14 ("same as the main character")
>Cress: 15, then 14 ("same as the main character")
>Lenora: 33, then 32, then 35
>Burgh: 24, then, 22, then 21
>Elesa: 17, then 15
>Clay: 56, then 55
>Skyla: 26, then 22, then 18
>Brycen: 35, then 44
>Iris: 22, then 12, then 11 then 10
>Drayden: 69
>Marshal: 27
>Shauntal: 18
>Grimsley: 27
>Caitlin Dendrobium: Mid 20s
>Alder: 57
>Natural Harmonia Gropius: Confirmed 20

Black 2, White 2, X, Y (2012-2013):
>Nate: 12 (manga)
>Rosa: 12 (manga)
>Nate's mom: 35
>Hugh: 15 ("provisional, must be adjusted to suit the protagonist"), 12 (manga)
>Aurea Juniper: 33
>Roxie: 14
>Marlon: About 30
>Colress: Late 20s-early 30s
>Benga: "Same as the main character"
>Calem: 14
>Serena: 14
>Grace: 32
>Shauna: 12
>Trevor: 10
>Tierno: 16
>Sycamore: 35
>Sina: 18
>Dexio: 16
>Viola: 18
>Grant: 22
>Korrina: 14
>Ramos: 65
>Citron: 12
>Bonnie: 7 (anime)
>Valerie: 20
>Olympia: 35-40 ("uncertain")
>Wulfric: 45
>Wikstrom: 35-40
>Malva: 33
>Siebold: 25
>Drasna: 40-45
>Diantha: 20
>Aliana, Bryony, Celosia and Mable: 20s and 30s
>Xerosic: 55-60
>Lysandre: 30
>AZ: Confirmed 3000+ (originally +2000)
>Emma: Confirmed 16
>Morgan: 19
>Dana: 18
>Evelyn: 17
>Nita: 16

>>56837026
> Nothing surprising
It is to copers, at least.

>>56837116
Sun, Moon, UltraSun, UltraMoon (2015-2016):
>Elio: Confirmed 11
>Elio's mom: 34, then 33
>Hau: Confirmed 11
>Kukui: 32
>Burnett: 30s
>Lillie: 11 (Confirmed "about the protagonist's age")
>Gladion: 16, then 13
>Mohn: 41
>Lusamine: 42 (Confirmed 40+)
>Faba: 53
>Wicke: 43
>Ilima: 13
>Lana: 12
>Mallow: 11, then 14
>Kiawe: 17, then 18
>Sophocles: 11-19
>Acerola: 10, then 11
>Mina: 19, then 17
>Kahili Ginger: 21
>Hala: 77
>Olivia: 26, then 34
>Molayne: 32
>Nanu: 50
>Hapu: 8
>Plumeria: 19
>Guzma: 20-21
>Ryuki: 29, then 26
>Samson Oak: 55
>Red: 20s (contradicts the decade between Platinum and BW)
>Green: 20s (contradicts the decade between Platinum and BW)
>Anabel: 20s
>Looker: 40s (contradicts the decade between Platinum and BW)
>Grimsley: 30s
>Colress: 30s
>Sina: "End of puberty"
>Dexio: "End of puberty"

Sword, Shield, Expanssion Pass (????):
>Opal: Confirmed 88
>Melony: Confirmed 30+
>Mustard: Confirmed 50+

LEGENDS Arceus (????):
>Rei: Implied 15
>Akari: Implied 15
>Calaba: Confirmed 99

Scarlet, Violet, The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero (????):
>Dendra: Confirmed 25
>Ryme: Confirmed 53+
>Tyme: Confirmed 53+
>Poppy: Confirmed 9

>>56836830
Those too. Kangaskhan not having a baby is the actual strangest one.

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>>56835386
Thoughts?

>>56836746
actually, the baby mon for Vulpix, Ponyta, Meowth, and Growlithe would be benefitical for regional variants, especially when you evolve them in the right environment.

>>56836623
anon...they came from our world

>>56837148
Looks like a stripper faggot

>>56837103
>They're in the Legendary Raid Den of SwSh, so they count (though it's for Galar specifically)
Yeah but the deal is that UBs are basically a legendary sub-group that's simply called UBs. So they fit together with the legendaries for all intents and purposes but they are not nominally called legendaries, the Ultra Beast subgroup supersedes.
>though Walking Wake and Iron Leaves are more Mythical due to raid events.
Zorua and Zoroark initially were in the same position as Walking Wake and Iron Leaves, I don't think we can qualify mythicals in any way other than being directly called a mythical. Phione is only considered a semi-mythical for example.
>Special form of breed-able Pokémon doesn't count (especially the ones in Go).
You're making it up, though I agree. We have concrete proof that they aren't Legendary (not listed) so it's best to just leave at that than creating rules. What if an eventual Eternal Floette is considered a Legendary?

>>56837096
You're surprised the company that leaves the final products unfinished, also leaves the development docs in a similar state?

>>56837058
Weren't the subway bosses stated to be vaguely over 25 in some old interview? Maybe they just gave them that unspecific range like Colress.

>>56837177
>YWhat if an eventual Eternal Floette is considered a Legendary?
It would be a Mythical at this point.

>>56837027
Sinful. Wikis should use stuff like this as sources

>>56836857
Bloodmoon Ursaluna

>>56837197
Wikis (especially Bulbapedia) are afraid of TPCi retribution for hosting illegally-obtained content.

>>56837208
It's on the Field Group.

>>56837034
At least as far as the ones I committed to memory, yes.

>>56824890
Damn, the GS file says nothing about Lugia's etymology. Could someone please take a look into the file where the Celebi doc that had its etymology and GS ball lore was found and see if there is a Lugia file?
I'm really curious about Lugia's etymology because it was created by anime staff.

>>56837169
Does it matter? It's Pokemon, they'll be obtainable in a future game without GO eventually. Going with "unknown" is just making it harder on everyone.
Reminds me of the fossil situation in the TCG and how those mons can't just get cards, they need the entire fossils archetype. Tyrunt is stuck, last printed 6 years ago because of similar special case autism.

>>56837228
The Shudo DYKG episode already went into that. Lugia is one of the few Pokemon we already have complete knowledge on how it was made

>>56837242
What is its etymology then and where did they find a source for that?

>>56837027
To be fair, Bulbapedia was right on the money for a lot of the name origins I'm seeing, but obviously it's not going to be 100%.

>>56837056
Signs point towards that ultra beasts (Mozzura, I think it was called) being a beta buzzwole.

>>56837096
The Pokémon documents still use the old names in their description of the Pokémon even if the final names are at the top. I'd love to see all the file revisions.

>>56837272
I was checking Lugia just now and pokemondb gives something else entirely from bulba. At least one of them is extremely wrong but I bet neither will be changed.

>>56837217
>>56837197
of all the things the powers that be should care about, etymologies are things that should be at the very bottom of the list, if its even on it at all.
To do otherwise would be to say "oh you shouldn't be allowed to know where this pokemon's name comes from" which is absurd.

>>56837383
>To do otherwise would be to say "oh you shouldn't be allowed to know where this pokemon's name comes from" which is absurd.
This is TPC we're talking about, that's exactly their kind of absurd thinking

>>56837398
I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

>>56837383
These are the same people that scrapped an Eeveelution because it looked too much like a fan made design

how old do you think volo and cogita are?

>>56837432
old enough for my cock that's all it matters

>>56837447
volo is not for the sexual

>>56836525
Right here >>56836476

>>56836746
Game progression in Pokemon means jack shit. The way babies work doesn't even work particularly well even if you do have their evos have high BST.
Not that pokemon games ever cared about BST scaling past a very early stage of the game.

Skarmory is literally early route in a game and its performance there is still ultimately average. Also Lapras just reminds me of the absolute dogshit that is Mantyke.
Even ignoring how modern games do not give a flying fuck and have broken ass abilities and sometimes endgame BSTs on their early route shitters at this point; the idea that "babies can help progression" is a farce.
Friendship evos are a gimmick that doesn't help with progression or in modern day kicks in at like level 12(at which point shit like Vulpix would be the balance no?).

>>56837108
>>56837116
>>56837133
Can you not flood the thread with your retarded as fuck fanfic?

oh he mad

>>56837571
>t. twittertard mad he got exposed as a pedo
This isn't your place buddy, we are proud of jerking to 15yo Elesa here

>>56837407
give it a few years and you can put that to the test

>>56837408
Which makes sense

>>56837177
>Zorua and Zoroark initially were in the same position as Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
except they weren’t generational gimmicks so they got to become normal in later generations instead of being doomed to a Mythical’s fate

>>56837537
> The way babies work doesn't even work particularly well even if you do have their evos have high BST
It works in the few cases where they decided to make a baby mon for something balanced around the midgame, yeah.
> Skarmory is literally early route in a game and its performance there is still ultimately average. Also Lapras just reminds me of the absolute dogshit that is Mantyke.
Skarmory has never been “early game.” What are you on about? It’s endgame in SC/SS and XY, and at the earliest at least midgame in RSE/ORAS/SM/USUM. It’s also one of the tankiest mons no matter what game it’s in- it’s practically immortal if you aren’t facing a fire or electric type. Mantyke in theory is fine, it’s just Gamefreak is retarded and made it lategame for some reason.
> in modern day kicks in at like level 12(at which point shit like Vulpix would be the balance no?).
In modern day the route 1 shitmons are already at Vulpix’s level stat wise, so there’s even less reason to make a baby mon of something that weak. Ideally babies would be used as prevos that just evolve with a regular progression like level, and not friendship gimmicks.

Gamefreak giving you 500 bst monsters now early on is another matter, and shouldn’t be in the game either because it’s also dogshit for progression- I’m not seeing what your point there is? In an ideal game that would be axed too.

So has there been any new posts or activity from the leaker since he dropped GFDocs?

SV stuff when? I know he's being a faggot because there's one update left. Have they announced any bug fixes happening soon?

>>56837537
The problem with baby Pokémon is that they were created to shill the breeding mechanic rather than allowing players earlier access to an evolution line, and most of them are only obtainable by capturing their evolution and then breeding them, making them entirely dex filler and merchandise bait. By gen 4 they started allowing some of them in the wild like Budew, and by today the vast majority of them are found in the wild, but another autistic hurdle GF needs to get over if they want more baby Pokémon is buffing pre-existing Pokémon to make them even matter. If they wanted to release Mikon they should have just given Vulpix middle stage stats to compensate, but at this point it's far too late to even matter, as the modern day open world areas are an all-you-can-eat buffet team shopping list you can fully form before even engaging with the story.

>>56837716
There was a 4chan leak just before the DLC got announced where the guy leaked all the details and everything has come true except a performance patch for Switch 2

>>56837822
Link it.

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>>56837432
Cogita is heavily implied to be centuries old in-game, if not more. She just doesn't age
My headcanon is that she's Cynthia's grandma from DPPt

>>56837671
>make a baby mon for something balanced around the midgame, yeah.
This is absurdly niche is the thing, it pretty much is just Budew(who is still pretty wonky). Chingling sucks, Mime Jr sucks. Munchlax is essentially cheating because it's already built like a normal rare spawn pokemon.
Its an absurdly small window. SM and Budew also shows that while somewhat functional this dynamic is still sorta bad.
>the RSE case isn't early game
Mixed bulk doesn't perform as consistently as you are implying.

Putting Mantyke early comes with its own issues. Especially due to its gimmick wherein either you screw over Remoraid or just put a bigass "this mon instantly evolves" sign and suddenly its not looking like a good early route mon.
Most of the starter types are sorta a luxury(hence why grass has absorb and tends to have weird movesets and the other two are MIA or huge investments).

>>56837763
Mikon is piss easy to balance, just lock it to its hidden ability. That essentially compensates for the stat difference alone.
Ignoring raids because raids snap progression in half a billion times over.

Ninetales could do with buffs though so really the BST idea is nice, I don't think Alolan Ninetales would break much either in theory. Ultimately not much reason to think this would happen though.

>>56837822
>>56837887
Oh shit that leak was legit. I don't know why I remembered it as being fake.

>>56836967
I think the general thought was (and still is) its related to the tale of Princess Kaguya and the anime did an episode that alluded to what this would have been.

Anything related to Pokemon Colosseum at all? Or is that all held by Genius Sonority and their code is not a part of the Gamefreak leaks since Gamefreak doesn't have it? I saw mention of the code name Tart for Genius Sonority's Pokemon Cafe remix

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>>56838341
Ah yes, the different forms of Zygarde:
>snake
>cell
>mythical wolf
>man with AA gun

>>56838368
it would have been kino. I would have played it

>>56838368
I genuinely don't see any way that Zygarde could "counter" Xerneas.
>Thousand Waves traps Xerneas
>Xerneas just uses Geomancy anyway because it's a Fairy-type and one-shots with Moonblast

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>>56838419
Super Aura Break negating aura type damage or maybe a type change. Mind you GF isn't exactly consistent with lore matchups being reflected in gameplay so it could just be nothing yeah.

>>56838419
Because lore =/= gameplay, retard.

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>>56836623
Pokemon Go region.

>>56838449
v& status?

>>56836910
>
I also laughed at GF's annoyance that localized screwed up all the badge names for all the ice Gyms up through BW.
Explain

>>56838448
Except gameplay and story integration is not only cool, but something GameFreak generally cares about, and clearly considered. See: Zygarde's signature moves and even its Ability of Aura Break.

>>56838492
I checked and lmfao this is fucked up

>Pryce Gym: Glacier Badge (Ice Badge in JP)
>Candice Gym: Icicle Badge (Glacier Badge in JP)
>Brycen Gym: Freeze Badge (Icicle Badge in JP)

>>56838341
>ポケモンZの設定
That's not "Pokemon Z's plot" but Zygarde's lore. Remember that Pokemon Z is his codename.

>>56837822
that said it was a graphics patch not a performance patch to be fair.
so better textures and more lods but not necessarily bug fixes

>>56838449
Is this your screenshot or are you just reposting it from elsewhere?
it's part of a larger conversation

>>56838649
I mean "better performance" doesn't require extensive work unless your engine is really messy.

If they were modifying LoDs then thats probably more work than getting it to run smooth.
I'd expect maybe another crack at the lighting(as thats one of the things they patched last time), LoDs at a much further distance and a framerate increase.
Stuff like bugs yeah, unless SV gets a rerelease in 2025 or something I wouldn't expect it.

>>56838671
probably a free update for switch 2. god when are they announcing it

>>56836418
Planning your whole game before starting development is the superior method even though it leads to there not being a bunch of sovlful beta stuff like gen 2

>>56838667
whats the convo?

>>56836270
best way ive seen its described damn even za wont be the z we wanted

>>56838718
>Planning your whole game before starting development is the superior method
until you encounter any development hurdle at all and that perfect plan suddenly has to be changed because of budget concerns, deadlines or technical inability

>>56838763
No game ever makes it out exactly and perfectly as the developer imagined

Several details of Zygarde and Pokémon Z

Zygarde was originally going to have two Complete forms. Forme X and Forme Y. Forme X was going to be based on a large wolf that hunts Xerneas as its prey. Forme Y was going to use anti-aircraft like weaponry to hunt Yveltal. Both forms were repurposed into 10% and 100% Zygarde.

Pokémon Z would feature Zygarde and these new forms, along with Zygarde on the box art.

The Zygarde-like rock found in Sina and Dexio’s research lab is called the Z-Stone.

There were two cut plots for Zygarde, one for Pokémon Z and the other for Pokemon Sun & Moon. You can check them both out below:

Pokemon Z
Pokémon Z monitors Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, who control the life energy of the Kalos region.
It appears when the balance between Pokémon X and Pokémon Y is disrupted, creating a distortion in the world, and fights either Pokémon X or Pokémon Y to restore balance.
Since it is a "swarm," the way its "individuals" connect causes its body shape to change significantly.
It changes into forms advantageous for battling each of Pokémon X and Pokémon Y.
Pokémon Sun & Moon
◆ Communication from Dexio

A message has come in from Dexio.
There is a Beast in the End Cave.
Zygarde has arrived, having judged that the Beast is a threat to the ecosystem.
You are told to go to the End Cave with Zygarde (Complete Form).
◆ Zygarde vs. Beast

The Beast is discovered in the deepest part of the End Cave.
Dexio's explanation:
Zygarde came to Alola to defeat the Beast.
Zygarde is eager to fight.
The Poké Ball containing Zygarde is shaking.
You send out Zygarde.
◆ Removing the Poké Deco

Sina removes the Poké Deco.
Since the newly synthesized Zygarde now considers the player as its trainer, Sina removes her mark.

>>56838781
yeah which is why planning out the whole thing in advance is stupid, it's better to have a simple plan that can roll with the punches and develop naturally with actual implemented shit instead of some complicated outline that ends up with half of it missing by the time it's realized as a product
every creative work has stuff left behind on the cutting room floor yet some works are obviously more complete and cohesive than others

>>56838798
>yeah which is why planning out the whole thing in advance is stupid
You've never had to submit a work plan before, have you?

need timeline leaks.

>>56838848
Kanto and Hoenn
then Johto
then Sinnoh
10 years later is BW Unova
2 years later is BW2 Unova and XY

>>56838443
I like the second bee

>>56838854
what about ORAS and sm/usum?

>>56835386
She looks like a dork with those shades on

>>56838499
Sure but then you get Durant using it's steel armor to protect against Heatmor which in game makes it weaker against it.

Fit sexy Korrina legs

>>56838885
>Using their very hot, flame-covered tongues, they burn through Durant's steel bodies and consume their insides.
To be fair Heatmor literally says in its dex that it ignores the armor. I have no idea how they could unfuck this, a regional Heatmor maybe?

>>56838907
Probably the best option, like a rock-type predecessor to modern Heatmor that turned to fire over time to deal with it's prey's armor.

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>>56838791
>Z-stone
So this?

>>56835386
I haven't really paid any attention to the leaks, but I love Korrina! Did we get any other materials about her other than this concept art?

>>56838964
Just eyeballing SM maps some more.
>Lele was in Melemele, pure psychic and the mons in her ruins don't seem to match the final games early game use of the ruins(those being both third stage pokemon)
The fact that Leles ruins also is the only place where the pikaclone and Mimikyu are make me suspect the two swapped ruins. Though the Oricorios already being their final types makes me suspect the swap happened basically right after the maps.
Also weirdly every ruins except the first one has a mon unique to it, Fini=Dhelmese, Bulu=Rock+Biological 1(Minior), both mimikyus(Koko?);
unless one of the final stage bugs(which i guess if Vikavolts gimmick was already a thing?) is that its just weird it'd cut off by the last one.
>Nilhilego was Rock/Fairy and was in Ten Caret Hill(Where you see Necrozma in the final)
Least I'm pretty sure Parallel Pokemon 1 is Nihilego and I vaguely recall the gigaleak saying Nihilego was Fairy/Rock at some stage.

>>56838506
Damn gaijin

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>>56838964
14 years old. Slavic white. Blue eyes, freckles, long hair. Blonde braids sticking out from her headgear. Her chest and buttocks are smaller than those of women her age. Slender, muscular build. She lost one of her front teeth during a match, but she considers it her charm point (it looks like a crooked tooth). Other characteristics: She basically follows the base image. Competitive, mischievous, and a bit of an idiot. She is obsessed with competitions and winning. She is a star roller game player, and her nickname is "tourbillon d'noir" (black whirlwind). She is determined to one day beat a strong fighting Pokémon with her famous roller kick! At the gym, she will fight Lucario, who she will mega evolve.

>>56839121
I have no idea why i replied to a korrina post with this autism.
Guessing I intended to post bio shit and then forgot midway.

>>56839132
I forgot the initial part

>Roller game prodigy beautiful girl player with long chestnut hair, blue eyes, and freckles. She has a competitive personality and an agressive style of play that is as good as an adult's. She has a strong sense of humor and a strong desire to win. She has a competitive personality and an aggressive style of play that is as good as an adult's. She is extremely popular not only for her looks but also for her ability. She is a well-known figure in the Kalos region.

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>>56839121
>Fairy/Rock Nihilego
>Ten Carat Hill

You can find Carbink there which is Rock/Fairy. Maybe somehow (Mega) Diancie had some effect in Nihilego typing? Lillie ultimately ended as Fairy-type trainer in USUM but I don't think any of these documents point out that Lillie was supposed to be trainer in SM.

>>56839132
>>56839135
Thanks so much!! Cute concept art, it's interesting about all the things they didn't eventually incorporate into her design!

>>56836669
>Quasi-Phantom (DO NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC!)

oops...

>>56838791
So it was very likely to be Pokemon ZX and Pokemon ZY?
Then do you think ZA is a new Zygarde form?

>>56839293
I mean we already know there's gonna be Mega Zygarde.

>>56839295
I missed that, where was it said?

>>56839295
Yeah as soon as they announced z-a it was obvious. The fact people needed to be told that is generally embarrassing and I fear they're the type of people who would drown while looking at during a rainstorm.

Zygarde is goonna get a new form in z-a? Shit, what's next, it'll have a pause menu and buttons? It will require the switch to be turned on?!?!?!?!?

>>56839327
Liko's anime meeting.
There's also gonna be Mega Zeraora.

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>>56839327
It was early in the leaks, some pre-production talks about the current anime mentioned Mega Zygarde and Mega Zeraora since Zygarde is important for the anime (villain's ace).

>>56839332
You're so smart, anon.
Probably the only person in the world smart enough to figure it out.
Please tell us more obvious things only us peasants cannot see.

>>56839341
I think you're just retarded, anon.

>>56839345
Whatever you say, sweaty.

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>>56836299
>still no word on pc ports

>>56839372
Someone already did Arceus and it worked.

>>56838506
TROO FAR NINTENDO OF AMELICA!!!

>>56838885
I think it's more Heatmor being adapted to take on Durant while Durant is still pretty resistant to everything else.

>>56838907
Maybe a Durant that adapted to counter Heatmor by being monotype and having Filter.

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>>56839450
Heatmor may have adapted to deal with Durant's armor, but Durant's dex indicates that the armor is specifically for Heatmor

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>>56838862
sun/moon 2 years after XY? based on this Grimsley art

ORAS is weird but it does take place before XY, could still be 12 years before like original hoenn

>>56839504
forgot johto is 3 years after hoenn so it's 15-16 years before XY

>>56839332
>The fact people needed to be told that is generally embarrassing
You say this as if Kalos being completely and utterly decimated by cuts for things that "are incredibly obvious" isn't the golden standard for Pokemon as a whole, next to Charizard and KANTOOOOOOOOOO shilling.
I get your point and I agree with you, but making a baseline of placing literally any hope into anything relating to that region is just as stupid when you look at it objectively. Kalos is fucking cursed, man.

>>56839295
>>56839333
Feels like Mega Zygarde is gonna be for it's 50% form rather than 100%, judging by the new anime's OP.

>>56839746
It'd make sense that it'd either be Mega Snake or Mega Snake and Mega Dog rather than even trying to mega 100%.

>>56839332
The new Arceus form from Legends Arceus is epic

>>56839746
There's nothing to judge there. It's currently 10% in the anime proper and it appears 50% currently in the OP. There's nothing indicating it won't go 100%. And Mega Zygarde from 50% would have less stats than Complete Zygarde (700 vs 708) so the Mega is definitely from the 100% in a game design view.

>>56839792
Thank fuck they didn't give Arceus a new form too considering the atrocities they made out of Dialga and Palkia.

>>56839792
>>56839808
Technically Arceus got a new form, just one without visuals. And wasn't allowed into other games. But the legend plate exists.

Imagine 100% Yvetal and 100% Xerneas though.

Is there anything with the name Josef Shanel in the docs? He was a German localizer and died last year. Would be cool to know anything about him.

Where are the ref/model sheets from a couple threads ago? I thought the guy was going to upload an archive of all of them.

>>56839956
>>56828994

>>56839805
>There's nothing indicating it won't go 100%
If you mean in the context of the anime, it won't happen until the game is closer to release since that was the biggest point of contention next to the island-hopping setting.

>>56839813
They're already at 100% when they revive in X and Y, they're just naturally powerful even by legendary standards, Yveltal can drain Infinity Energy, but Xerneas is constantly generating massive amounts of it.
>i-i-i meant in game
Xerneas is already too fucking good, it has had a 100% form item since gen 6 with Power Herb, but it got another with Z-Geomancy.
Yveltal isn't as bad, but they could probably make Oblivion Wing ridiculous by making it recover 100% rather than 75%.

>>56840139
>Yveltal isn't as bad
It is literally the best Pokémon in Gen 8 and was such even when Zacian Crowned was allowed. It's just good at everything.

>>56836623
This mon sure is upsetting to the "generation" concept huh

>>56840139
I mean there was no implication of a "Palkia/Dialga Origin" either before they pulled it out of their ass.

I was mostly thinking about how fucked a upgraded Xerneas or Yveltal would look rather than the logistics; but yeah they'd probably be giga broken as well.
Though i guess it could just be like +28 BST and a second sig move; which isn't as absurd. But its attached to pokemon that are already broken even for legendaries.

>>56837017
Where can I find the localization doc for B/W? What file path?

>>56840193
The nature of Giratina's two forms is what implies that Palkia and Dialga also have two forms.

>>56840285
Yep. There's also the fact that as we've seen, even documentation that was never made canon can still be used indirectly as canon ala Kyurem's future sight, so even if the Giratina Origin Forme why the hell is it called forme and not form? Style points? wasn't enough of a tip-off there's still that fact.

>>56840285
>Giratina transforms to adapt to its home versus the normal world
>clearly this telegraphs Dialga and Palkia deciding to cosplay their mum
No it really doesn't. They've always been very transparent about what Origin Giratina was and it didn't telegraph anything.

>>56840316
It should also be pointed out that even in PLA, nothing ever implies origin giratina retroactively gained the arceus cosplay angle despite people trying to brute force it.
>Giratina loses its legs upon changing into this form. I believe this Pokémon must hail from a world where the heavens and the earth are as one, though I have no way of proving it.
Compare to;
>Radiant light caused Dialga to take on a form bearing a striking resemblance to the creator Pokémon. Dialga now wields such colossal strength that one must conclude this is its true form.
>It soars across the sky in a form that greatly resembles the creator of all things. Perhaps this imitation of appearance is Palkia's strategy for gaining Arceus's powers.

>>56840316
And we now know that as of probably 20 years ago, they were planning on making the ties to Arceus even tighter than they already were. Which is ironic given that Giratina was originally the furthest from it out of the trio.

>>56840303
Deoxys Normal Forme
Shaymin Sky Forme
Landorus Therian Forme
Meloetta Pirouette Foeme
Zygarde Complete Forme

That's just how it always has been.

>>56840303
>>56840316
It's the fact that they explained how Giratina's forms work, and then they told us that Palkia and Dialga have dimensions of their own, where Space and Time are fucked in their respective homes, as opposed to Giratina's home, which has neither space nor time.
Why wouldn't both Palkia and Dialga each have an Origin Forme? Why wouldn't their normal forms be their altered forms they take to adapt to world with different space and time?
This is ignoring how much I don't like the Origin forms they ended up getting, I don't care that if you mash them together they look like Arceus, I do not like them.

>>56840345
Well, I'll agree with you that the form's look like hot ass.

>>56836669
>Phione is Quasi-Phantom/Illusion

Can we start calling them Legend and Illusion now?

>Arceus, Dialga and Palkia are conceptualized together
>They brainstorm a lot of ideas about how these three should work
>Giratina is originally conceptualized as something unrelated to the other three
>They notice they need something for an eventual third version
>Giratina is hastily made part of the creation trio and given a bullshit description (it governs.... uh... antimatter)
>Origin Forme is created to market Platinum
>over a decade later they created another Sinnoh game
>decide to give something new to Dialga and Palkia because every box legend that isn't from Johto had up to that point
>see that Giratina had another form and decide to give it to Dialga and Palkia as well

This is how you end up with PLA's Origin Formes

I think no one posted the original RG-RB artwork from the teraleak, can someone teach me how to send large pdf files here on 4chan so that I can provide it for you guys?

>>56840345
The part where they've happily shown these dimensions and we see base Palkia/Dialga. But yeah I'm definitely more of a believer in >>56840401 than anything else.
Giratina didn't even have the origin form stuff by DP and thats where Dialga/Palkia's original lore ends.
There was no reason to adapt the form at the time and they just remembered retroactively; and then forgot why Origin Giratina worked and went with an entirely different gimmick(Arceus cosplay versus an actually logical design)

Wonder how long it'll take until Johto actually get a modern game and we get sparkledog lugia and ho-oh.

>>56840363
Why would you swap off the official mythical terminology; even the translator remembered it for a brief moment.

>>56840401
The only misstep here is that Palkia/Dialga were always meant to be parts of Arceus in some degree, which is another reason why the formes exist, but otherwise I agree with the broad strokes.

>>56840413
catbox.moe

>>56840418
I really hope they never touch Johto again. Ho-Oh is like the one legendary they've somehow not fucked up or ruined over the years.

>>56840413
Catbox is usually a good option

>>56835386
Any Dead Rhydon related leaks?

>>56840436
I wouldn't say it's the only one, there's a handful of others I can't recall them messing too much with. Hell just in Sinnoh alone there's the entire Lake trio.

>>56840436
Surprised they didn't do a Paradox Ho-oh honestly, the opportunity for a raptor/theropod was right there. I doubt gen 2 will get a new remake or sidegame based on it and I really hope it doesn't considering how botched ORAS and especially BSDP were.

>>56840436
I think cover legendaries(discounting Suicune obviously) aren't allowed to be touched outside of games directly tied to them.
This has literally never happened, unless you count Shadow Lugia and besides being an early anomaly; it also isn't even a gimmick allowed in the main series.

>>56840455
Yeah, Cress, Heatran(as pitiful of a legendary the thing is). Its mostly Gen 4 though. Also personally I don't think Eleki/Drago particularly ruined what they were attached to or anything.
Also we keep on getting mythicals just in the game so i wonder how long till we get screwed versions of those; surely molesting mew is somewhat appealing to them atleast.

>>56840455
Lake Trio gained Mystical Power as a signature move in PLA. It sucks, yes, but they gained something. Heatran is the oldest legendary barring Lugia/Ho-Oh that hasn't gained anything over the years (it's just Heatran). Then Xerneas and Yveltal are the next. Tl;dr

Lugia and Ho-Oh
Heatran
Xerneas and Yveltal
Type: Null and Silvally
Tapus

And then you enter Gen 8 forward territory

>>56840490
Cresselia gained Lunar Blessing in PLA (don't confuse it with Lunar Dance).

I can't help but laugh at the idea of Xerneas and Yveltal getting megas in ZA, because there's a very high chance it will happen, how fucked do you lads think things will be if it happens?

>>56840509
They'll make even Mega Ray and Zacian tremble in fear

>>56840495
>>56840501
I mean sure that sorta support happened but its not really the mutilation that is getting a paradox or something like that.

>>56840509
Hey atleast I might see less Calyrex when legends are legal.
Mega Yvetal would be giga banned to AG in smogon. Xerneas maybe not as it loses Geomancy?

>>56840413
https://files.catbox.moe/37m48p.pdf
I can't remember the exact path since I renamed the file but here is a list of (extremely small) artwork comparison between red green and the "blue ones", in which we can finally see their true colors

>>56840495
I was mostly talking in line with anon's idea of botching legendaries, since not every new addition is a botch. Ironically Mewtwo is relatively fine comparatively, as his story hasn't changed at all and even through the KANTOOOOOOO bullshit his biggest new thing was the Mega's, which are... well, Y's alright?

>>56840303
It's French, because フォルム (forumu) is the Japanese approximation of the French word Forme, while フォーム (Foomu) is the Japanese approximation of the English word Form. The Japanese games already use the word すがた (sugata) for form, which the English versions translate as Form. So in short, there's
すがた (sugata; Form) native Japanese word
フォルム (forumu; Forme) approximation of French word

>>56840557
>Y's alright
I wonder when the opinion on this flipped, because when Mega Mewtwo Y was revealed, and even years after XY came out, people almost universally hated it
My memory's fuzzy on this but I also remember the mods even changing this board's title to CHILDHOOD RUINED or something like that when it was revealed

>>56840248
The previous thread had a 7z link here that's just the localization documents. I don't have all the files so I don't have a file path.

>>56840557
I mean by that logic most legends are fine. You don't need to use origin palkia after all.
Mewtwo X is really really ugly. Also they did fuck his lore a bit by just randomly having a second mewtwo so i dunno.

>>56840193
There are two versions of the Arceus/world origin myth in this leak, in which Ia and Ea (dIAmond, pEArl, so the cover legendaries for gen 4, even if what they stood for in those isn't accurate to the final) were neighing.
Assuming the translation of those is accurate, 'neighing' brings forth an image of a horse, doesn't it?
I'm thinking that even if the last/latest version of the myth is final, they could still look at earlier drafts for inspiration.

>>56840603
>two versions of the (...) myth
I'm a retard, one version of the myth. The point about seeking possible inspo in earlier drafts stands.

>>56840599
>Also they did fuck his lore a bit by just randomly having a second mewtwo so i dunno.
There was never proof there was only one Mewtwo. If anything, Mewtwo is the easiest legendary to justify existing multiples since it's artificial. HGSS doesn't clarify if Red captured or not Mewtwo (or released it if he did) so there could already exist two Mewtwo in-universe at that point. Anyway, legendaries being unique is a silly point now.

>>56840582
I'm not a huge fan of either of them but choosing between the two, Y is preferable because at least it's an interesting design, even if it's not really Mewtwo.
>>56840599
They fuck the legendary lore constantly, but that's required because otherwise getting a full 'dex would be completely and utterly impossible. Mewtwo's not even the first example of this, you kinda just have to work on the logic that the past protag always releases legendaries after the plots over since it's generally assumed you have them if they're a required encounter. Well, not that it's going to be as set-in-stone like BW's legendaries were, but you get the point by now that legendaries are a unique existence that can't be unique because it's Pokemon.

>>56840603
The myths are such a mess who knows, I do think they'd probably use all of them at random yeah.

>>56840621
>There was never proof there was only one Mewtwo
Except you know, the straight up given to you backstory that clearly telegraphs that the people who made him kinda gave up right after him. And that they only made him.
Hence why none of this side content ever infers what the hell Mewtwo 2 even is meant to come from, whereas the original is pretty exact. Sure you can say "actually the scientists who made Mewtwo actually made twenty and got gangraped by them right after".

The other legendaries it was more vague so it really is whatever for them.

>>56840656
Did i delete a chunk.
> Sure you can say
My point was this was blatantly a hard retcon whereas even if they decided to shove five different lake trios at you, you couldn't really say shit as none of the creation myth stuff is particularly concrete.

>>56840518
>Mega Xerneas gets Fairy Aura + White Herb Ability

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>>56840436
>>56840455
Ho-Oh's also one of the only legendaries they didn't screw up from the outset by essentially making it a plot device for the villains to use or just some thing that happens to be there. It's got just the right balance of mysticism, lore, power and mystery.

>>56840589
Found it, thank you!

>>56840656
The researcher team doesn't state there's only one Mewtwo or if more were created along the way and because Mewtwo is artificial, there could be multiple research teams creating their own Mewtwo through the world. Just the fact Mewtwo is artificial leaves very open the existance of more Mewtwo because they could be created anytime without contradicting previous events.

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>>56840535
>https://files.catbox.moe/37m48p.pdf
I just realized there are a few new artworks here

It looks like Sugimori made this artwork for horsea in his old style but it was unused until it reused the pose for the digital slop arts that we have now

>>56840706
>The researcher team doesn't state there's only one Mewtwo
Its basically stated by the fact that Mew giving birth is only mentioned once. And the months basically say this didn't even last a year.
There's nothing that implies in the games that their research spread; and even if it did, where did they get their mews?
Also I'm pretty sure XY does infer its from kanto and thus the same team.

>>56840656
The question should less be limited to
>how many mewtwos are there
And instead
>how many groudons are there
to which the firm answer is "more than 1 because gotta catch 'em all", despite the fact that there is only one Groudon according to literally everything we know about it.
It's ludonarrative dissonance. You either assume every single game cart is its own unique timeline so there's only ever 1 of any legendary, so the Groudon in HGSS is different from the one in SV, RSE, and whereever else I'm blanking on, or you just have to assume that the fact that "there's only one" doesn't matter because you have to be able to catch it in some regards for natdex's sake.

Basically just don't think too hard about it because it won't make sense within the confines of the world no matter how hard you try to think about it, because that is the specific intent; it's a fucking video game.

>>56840774
>where did they get their mews?
They fathered them after fucking Mew.
>but no egg discovered
Mew didn't lay an egg, it "gave birth".

>>56840795
To be fair, all Pokemon give birth. The eggs are nests made right afterwards to act as external wombs until the baby Pokemon can fend for itself to some extent.

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>>56840811
>To be fair, all Pokemon give birth.
Wrong.

>>56839378
What are the chances someone will keep working on it just enough to not require a custom NVIDIA driver though?

>>56840834
0%

>>56840811
how fucked up would it be if humans also laid eggs

>>56840834
Do you understand how the development cycle and devkits work?

>>56840824
The humans at the daycare simply miss the moment where they give birth and make an "egg" to put the Pokemon in. They talk about how the way that Pokemon are born is a mystery and how the egg you receive is more like a cradle made out of nearby materials. This has been the lore ever since that one Japanese gen 1 databook.

>>56840509
They will make Yerneas and Xveltal.

>>56840852
Humans do have eggs, we just don't lay them.

>>56840855
They watch our Pokemon like a hawk and the implication that they would ever not take proper care of our little buddies is an insult of the highest degree. The highest, I say!

>>56840868
I mean, technically...?

>>56840786
The thing is with these mons is there's no reason to even give a reason why; if XY didn't feel some deranged need to say its a different mewtwo then it'd just be the same mewtwo.
Is this dumb in a different way? Sure. But its significantly less so than the alternative. Groudon since it was brought up just shows up in gen 4 with no real explanation as an example of that.

>>56840895
Also obviously multiverse is canon yada yada in regards to the catch em all thing.
Having you transport your six groudons into the same game is just dimensional nonsense; its not really like the mewtwo thing.

>>56840895
Was it X/Y specifically that mentioned it? I thought it was the Genesect movie saying it's a different Mewtwo.

>>56840927
I think both do in different ways. Genesect absolutely does but I recall some weird letter nonsense in XY that implies its a second mewtwo?
Well being wrong from bad memory is always a fun ending if I am gambling wrong.

>>56840927
XY doesn't have any fucking explanation for the Mewtwo in that cave last time I checked, it's just there.

>>56840889
No, not technically, literally.

>>56840937
I don't remember anything about Mewtwo in XY beyond it just being in a post E4 cave. I also have a failing memory when it comes to the Genesect movie though, all I remember is that Mewtwo sounded like a girl which was the biggest thing proving its a different one. If XY does as well then that's three Mewtwo's which obviously isn't correct, but again, Pokemon's a video game first and foremost.
>>56840940
Yeah, and thats the same logic as literally every other legendary that's just in a cave? There's a lotta those.

>>56840985
I meant that technically we do, since that's what a period partially does. It was a joke.

>>56840990
Legendaries like Mewtwo are in thoses places so new players don't have to go back to fucking RGBYFRLG to get one for their dex, don't think so hard about it.

>>56840990
I recall it being something really dumb like a single textbox on a sign or something if it is real. Obviously if its just mewtwos vacation home and i schizoed some textbox then uh.
Wait a second, this better not be me remembering XYinsider or something.

Aside from the new voice they literally said in an interview "yep this is a different mewtwo". Actually on a weird note about that mewtwo movie; you know whose bio literally says its one of a kind?
Genesect, Genesect is described as coming from a fossil that only one has ever been discovered for. Which is bemusing just cause Genesect doesn't feel like it should be that rare.
Either way the genesect army is also the anime being super weird.

>>56841024
That's basically my entire point. It all comes down to gameplay first, story second. There is always only one of every legendary, with the caveat of there being far more than just one so people can actually catch the damn things outside of their debut games.
>>56841028
I didn't actually know they outright confirmed it. Guess they didn't want to piss on Shudo's grave.

>>56841059
Actually, creating a second mewtwo DOES equal pissing on Shudo's grave.

They don't care for mewtwo's story or lore if they can profit from it.
Same for mew which started as the "mythical fabled pokémon who knows if it is really true and if it does really exist" to "Ehy kid, wanna buy this mew for 50 bucks?" LITERALLY EVERY generation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4E83RKavUU
>You're going to love this, trust me, what you're seeing now is my neutral form
>This is my active form, and this...
>This is the form I take after I've charged myself with Infinity Energy, or, you could just call this a Geomancy Boost
>Oho, oho!
>Oh hum, what a useless transformation, you've changed your antlers, so what?
>*aggressive snigger* Just wait...!
>Has he really found a way to surpass a Geomancy boost? Is that possible?
>He must be bluffing! I mean, what would that make him, Extreme Evoboosted?
>And this.
>Eh, what's he doing?
>IS... TO GO... EVEN FURTHER BEYOND...!!!

>>56841079
My reading of it was that they didn't want to reuse his Mewtwo and butcher it, but I can't say I disagree with that view either. That and the fact that we later got the unmentionable movie which to this day is still probably the most insulting thing I've ever seen TPC have their names on.

>>56841127
I think it was less "his vision" and more "we don't want Mewtwo to get into a situation that makes it look uncool".

>>56840535
Lewtwo vindicated. Huge W

>>56841137
Or rather the main one i mean obviously. Like Mewtwos backstory and his original movie are a strong cool factor they might not want to accidentally damage so they split Mewtwo.
This could also explain the Womewtwo angle a tad more; it disjoints this specific mewtwo from any depiction of og anime mewtwo or anime mewtwo pretty hard.

Anyone's got the concept artwork for HGSS' rocket executives & Giovanni? I wanna know if whoever redesigned Ariana really wrote "she's mean I hate her" on her reference sheet

According to Bulbapedia, citing Pokebeach:
>Originally, Mewtwo was planned to return in Genesect and the Legend Awakened, but the idea was scrapped due to the character being considered the property of Takeshi Shudō's estate. As a result, a different Mewtwo was created to star in the movie in its place.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_(M01)#cite_ref-2

I hope that the anon who compiles the archive stays healthy and determined.
I also hope that he doesn't reorganize the stuff too much because it carries a risk of accidentally missing/removing something. I'm okay with going through heaps and heaps of files (actually, I'm quite excited for that), as long as they're in an easily viewable graphic format.

>>56838443
Wonder if the proposed moves included sticking the opponent in honey or having bullshit air speed.

>>56841183
>>56800552

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Does someone have the document with this inside ?

>>56838419
>implying Aura Break wouldn't have changed to Anti-Fairy Aura and Anti-Dark Aura to become immune to fairy and dark

>>56841207
lmao so it was true. Thanks anon

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>>56838940
I don't think the games ever really explained what that was, but the anime had something kinda similar that they just called the giant rock, which transformed into a giant stone zygarde golem thing

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>>56838341
>he was supposed to be twice as big as snake Zygarde
Jesus

>>56841245
It specifically says
>Personality isn't good (性格よくない)
>Unfair (ズルい)
>Detestable woman (イヤな女)
And I'm struggling to read the chickenscratch of the final line, but it looks like 子分と2人がかりで子供を襲う (Attacks children together with her henchmen)

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>>56840535
I love machine translation sometimes

>>56841246
No, that's the megalit, it's just a giant keystone-like gem that Rayquaza used to megaevolve on its own and Groudon and Kyogre wanted for Primal Reversion, Team Flare somehow used it to create an artificial Zygarde, but it has nothing to do with the stone you find in Alola other than being a rock

>>56841308
The specific lines say to not use those illustrations because
>Clefairy is shown with paw pads
>Horsea is shown with two fins instead of one
>Mew is shown with colored feet

>>56840535
There was once a project to rescan all the Gen I arts and rectify the colors.
Did it get finished?

https://x.com/Crownified/status/1851437392927887527

Does anyone have those name translation files?
I want to see the whole thing.

>>56841533
wow its not like its one of the most discussed things in the thread or anything