>>56861449
Platinum>Ruby and Sapphire, though Emerald > Platinum

Obviously

>>56861449
By redditors? Yes
By normal people? No
DP are MUCH better than RS from an objective standpoint, much more content and just more finished overall. RS battle tower is a complete meme and you don’t even get a ditto to breed for it, it’s the ONLY game in the franchise where Ditto is completely unavailable.
Emerald is actually a bigger upgrade on RS than Platinum is on DP, but Platinum is still the better game.

>>56861449
By anyone with > 50 IQ, yes.

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Here’s your 7th gym leader bro
>The people who meme about Flint and Volkner’s teams process to defend this

>>56861640
>m-muh toddler campaign NPC teams!!
no one cares

>>56861449
WTF are you on? The only people who defend DPP are the ones whose first games were DPP.

DP was a poor excuse of a DS pokemon game, and Platinum was a decent attempt at fixing it.
RS were decent at the start, and Emerald made it great.

Source: me, whose first game was Yellow and my favorite games are BW, Crystal and Emerald, in that order

>>56861645
So what matters to you then? Post game battle facilities? In that case, surely you’re not playing the games that require you to put your whole team on the same level instead of scaling everything to 50, right? And you’re obviously not playing the RS battle tower LOL
Oh, or maybe you mean the competitive scenes. Yeah, luv me some competitive pokemon. Choice specs, choice scarf, life orb, focus sash. Good stuff.

>>56861609
>it’s much more finished
>by having drastically worse performance, drastically worse map design, and drastically worse encounter design

WTF are you on? The only people who defend RSE are the ones whose first games were RSE

RS was a poor excuse of a GBApokemon game, and Emerald was a decent attempt at fixing it.
Dp were decent at the start, and platinum made it great.

Source: me, whose first game was diamond and my favorite games are XY, PLatinum and shield, in that order

>>56861663
You know, the most you spam this thread with no argument posts stating the exact same opinion, the more it’s obvious that you’re one person spamming. Possibly OP.

>>56861449
no, dp is better than rs and pt is a better third version than e

>>56861681
>no, dp is better than rs
how
>and pt is a better third version than e
how

>>56861675
Thanks for proving my point, schizo

>>56861671
By not having a garbage font
By allowing you to manipulate items in the pc
By not having the roamers IV be bugged
By having an actually good level curve
By not having the evil team only use 3 different lines
By giving the rival an actually good team with good moves instead of level up learnsets

>>56861693
>half of these are B-BUT MUH TODDLER NPCs
wow >>56861617 was right

>>56861685
dp are funner and have more things to do

>>56861675
Fucking kek>>56861688
>favourite game is BW
KEK imagine

>>56861698
seeing geodude random encounters repeatedly doesn't count as "more things to do"

>>56861703
hmm, thank goodness there are more things to do than that

>>56861697
See >>56861669

>>56861449
Gen 3 was just the beta test for gen 4 desu

>>56861675
Parroting is an admission of defeat

Hoenn’s map design is so good that backlash against ORAS lead to HMs getting removed next game.
And that was AFTER DP buffed some of the HM moves.
Gen 3 Fly? 70 base power.
Gen 3 rock smash? Fucking TWENTY base power. Literally fucking absorb tier move and you need it and flash for victory road.

>>56861717
>Makes post establishing retarded opinion with no argument
>Gets shown it’s an extremely easy thing to do and anyone can do the same
>Noooo stop doing that
I sure wonder why posts like >>56861724 never get parroted.

Uh oh cordie melty

Yes

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>>56861645
>>56861685
>>56861697
>>56861703

>>56861449
First, let's ignore Ruby & Sapphire and Diamond & Pearl. So, just Emerald vs Platinum.

Platinum is more accessible and way more challenging. It's more familiar to younger players and less mind-numbing for mature players. So as a standalone game, Platinum is better than Emerald. Interfacing with Battle Revolution is also better than interfacing with Colosseum & Gale of Darkness.

But aesthetics-wise, Emerald is superior. Platinum looks and feels like the 7th gen game that it is---noticeably less soulful than 6th gen Emerald.

Also, as a PvP game, Emerald is a superior base. It is more balanced in its dex, mechanical options, and mechanics than Platinum is. It is a better game competitively.


All things considered, as a casual game for non-children, Platinum is clearly superior. On other significant counts it's easily arguably worse than Emerald.

What Platinum also has is contest dress-ups, ball customization, The Underground, and wifi capability, as well as basic PDA functionality. But those aren't as big a deal, debatably.

>>56861449
Double Pussy Penetration? I mean, it depends on the girl, I guess.

No retard

>>56861449
RSE and DPPT are about equally respected. I lean more towards DPPT personally. Maybe if RSE had the VS Seeker or Underground I'd be more of a competition for me, but I like DPPT's gameplay elements more.

>>56861449
Yeah. DPP are explicitly worse versions of RSE in every conceivable way.

>>56861449
They're actually fun to play, so yeah, they're better.

>>56861693
Oh so it was better because
It completely ruined contests by removing jamming moves, conditions and black hearts
It ruined bases by removing the unique layouts, battles and saving your friend's base
It removed a game from the game corner
It went back to RNG based rematches
It had a lower frame rate than every gen 3 game
It locked a chunk of cross gen evos until the post game for absolutely no reason
It locked the post game behind seeing every pokemon for no reason
It tied hippopotas' encounter rate to how many unique unown forms for no reason

>>56863383
GenIV had one weakness at the time, it was very difficult to store or move around large numbers of Pokemon. Trading was the only way, and it was tedious. You had My Pokemon Ranch, but it had a stupid fucking limitation that only the save file that uploaded a Pokemon could take it out. RSE had Pokemon Box, and the same limitation was there, but it was ignored if your save file had recorded 100 Pokemon caught, which is an achievable goal in a playthrough. It also saved your held items. Doing a living dex in GenIII is a lot easier of you have access to BOX. Hell, it's a lot easier to do a GenIV living dex by just doing the GenIII one first and importing it.

Admitted drawbacks? BOX in America has been sold from anywhere between 1k to 2k for a legit copy, plus you needed certain cables and aging hardware and only people with developed collections or a lot of money to burn could do it.

The good news is that nowadays PkHex can do it all better if you had the right hardware. But prior to now, GenIII->Bank is such bullshit to pull off. I really wish they had kept the GBA slot on future iterations of the DS and the 3DS because we coulda had a much friendlier system (it's still bullshit that Bank wouldn't work on GenIV and GenV games)

Yes
Platinum >>

Platinum>Emerald>RS>DP (because of performance)

>>56861449
I'm split, objectively DPP has better graphics and gameplay. The stories are on par since it's overly high stakes to the point of literal gods being involved, I find the overall dex to be on par as well. But I think RSE has a better world space and character designs.
RSE in the DPP engine would be my perfect game though.

>>56867466
>objectively DPP has better gameplay
Absolutely not.

>>56867476
So what's not better?
imo DPP gameplay is just RSE but with more, which is why I find it better.

>>56863383
>But aesthetics-wise, Emerald is superior. Platinum looks and feels like the 7th gen game that it is---noticeably less soulful than 6th gen Emerald.
you can just say it's the one you started with

>>56863383
>Platinum is more accessible and way more challenging
Neither of these are true.

>less mind-numbing for mature players
Having shittier slower UI is less mind numbing?
Having horrible repetitive encounter tables is less mind numbing?
Having over half the battle facilities be effectively the same is less mind numbing?
Having maps with zero gameplay except using repels and clicking A in front of rocks is less mind numbing?

>>56867481
>DPP gameplay is just RSE but with more
More of what, exactly? Graveler encounters?

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>>56867481
the thing that kills gen 3's chance of being the best pokemon game is that, while the new features were appreciated at the time, prior titles have done more with them. as a new entry in the series it did a ton of work in solidifying the pokemon formula and shaking up the gameplay with things like abilities and double battles. but as a game you actually play, it feels like everything that came after it but without any of the refinements. damn near everything people praise about emerald, i feel is done better in platinum. and platinum would likely be obsolete as well if gen 5 hadn't gone for a soft reboot and removed a bunch of stuff.
(that's in no way a knock on gen 5, by the way. i like that both gen 4 and gen 5 can be enjoyed for different reasons. it's why i think platinum and bw2 share the title of "best pokemon game" rather than there being a single clear winner.)

>>56867505
more features, I will say that I am not an expert in the competitive side of battles, i'm looking at the add ons.
>underground(tbf is secret bases +), refined contests, custom pokeballs, easier breeding, wifi stuff.
that kind of stuff. DPP took a lot from RSE and just improved on it, which is just the fact that it was followed up.

>>56867521
don't bother arguing with yawnfag

>>56867521
>more features,
Like the honey trees you need to wait hours for, day/night you need to wait hours for, great marsh you need to wait hours for, a retarded flash 2.0 HM, and the barebones wifi that doesn’t work anymore?

>>56867538
Yes. The completely optional activities that you do not have to do but have available. I guess you just like 1 option menus at restaurants?

>>56867520
>but without any of the refinements
DPPt did the opposite of refining the game.

>damn near everything people praise about emerald, i feel is done better in platinum
People praise the map design in Emerald, which is worse in Platinum
People praise the battle frontier in Emerald, which is worse in Platinum
People praise the secret bases in Emerald, which is worse in Platinum
People praise the performance in Emerald, which is worse in Platinum

>>56867520
>5 can be enjoyed for different reasons
What are the different reasons?

>>56867489
>Having shittier slower UI
it doesn't; they're comparable
>Having horrible repetitive encounter tables
they're comparable
>Having over half the battle facilities be effectively the same
more or less true
>Having maps with zero gameplay except using repels and clicking A in front of rocks
you're really going to have to rephrase this because you've just claimed something which is on the face of it contradictory

This >>56867548 is accurate, but yours isn't.

>>56867548
Emerald's Frontier has worse design, the Palace is the worst facility to this day.
Also Emerald's map is overrated. I don't see why you're not allowed to like npc battles but you're allowed to like easy puzzles, nonsense born from genwar brain.

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>>56867583
>it doesn't; they're comparable

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>>56867583
>>it doesn't; they're comparable

>>56867520
>damn near everything people praise about emerald, i feel is done better in platinum
Okay so the things people tend to praise it for are
The frontier - platinum has less facilities and they're all essentially tower clones
Getting both box legends - gen 3 has them actively love across the map incentivising exploration
Gym leader rematches - you have a set amount per day in platinum rather than calling up whoever you want
Battling Steven - Platinum didn't change champions so you only have the one
Mirage tower - platinum doesn't have an equivalent
Trainer Hill from frlg was put into it for a time attack mode - platinum doesn't have that
Magma hideout - dppt didn't have two teams

Everything else that they share with their originals was strictly worse in gen 4.

>>56867810
PT also has legends to catch around the map.
For the Match Call you have to do a lot of battles betweem them, and you have match them multiple times until they reach full power. Not quite as simple as just calling them.
You fight Steven once, and Barry gets stronger than him.
Mirage Tower just exists for fossils, Underground does it better.
True no trainer hill.
One villain team is better.

>>56861449
hi sabor

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>>56867810
>Gym leader rematches
triggering them is retarded in emerald
>champion
you can’t rematch steven because they replaced him with a faggot lol. that’s the biggest downgrade from rs

>>56867850
>PT also has legends to catch around the map.
Not in the same way, with groudon and kyogre their caves would move across the map and cause a weather effect to indicate that they're there somewhere. Platinum doesn't have that, you have the regular roamers and ones in set locations.
>For the Match Call you have to do a lot of battles betweem them,
Not really, it's 20 trainer encounters for them to call you, which is one run on the tower so not very long and you can do the opposite. You also aren't limited to a single day.
>You fight Steven once, and Barry gets stronger than him.
Barry isn't comparable, he's the rival.
By the way you can rematch Wally.
>Mirage Tower just exists for fossils, Underground does it better.
An extra dungeon is always preferable and you technically get two with the desert underpass, not to mention the underground is entirely rng reliant on multiple levels, whether you'll find a bulging wall, whether it'll have a fossil not to mention the input lag while moving in the actual underground.
>One villain team is better.
Again an extra dungeon is always preferable.
I would give you the distortion world but without any encounters and just two battles it's just a glorified walking sim moment.

>>56867747
>ah yes lemme post the absolute lowest hanging fruit as evidence; that'll be compelling
>>56867743
>heh, he doesn't know about the stylus, fuck it, let me post this one too---I'm never going to get called out for it

>>56867810
who the fuck praises mirage tower
get real
what a dumbass list; try again

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I started with Gen II, played Ruby, FireRed, and Emerald, and then Diamond. Diamond was such a fucking massive upgrade to Emerald. With Gen III, all I ever think about is all the bullshit.
>e-Reader was basically physical DLC. While I like the idea of owning something physical, this was like buying access to the eShop because the e-Reader itself cost money. Not only that, but people in Japan who bought the initial e-Reader had to buy another one not long after. And they actually started to RANDOMIZE the cards in FRLG and Emerald packs instead of releasing them in sets, meaning you're playing a paid-only gacha. Additionally, they released tons of real life event-only cards. The e-Reader failed outside Japan, so only a tiny number were ever released and their content was either lost or stripped from the games.
>The other additional accessories required for multiplayer and GameCube compatibility. Four players means three link cables. If you want to connect the games to Box, Colosseum, or XD, you need a GBA to GameCube cable for each GBA+game. This was some bullshit Nintendo was pushing for many of their games like Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, and even with Fire Emblem and Metroid. The GB Player was the only justified accessory, basically being a Super Game Boy, but everything else feels like price gouging.
>No Ditto in Ruby and Sapphire. Even if you catch Johto Pokémon in Colosseum and transfer them, you can't breed them if you caught them male. This sucks for both the Johto and Hoenn starters which are male 7/8 times or rare genderless Pokémon like Solrock, Lunatone, and the Metagross line.
>Nearly half the Pokémon were cut from the start, they needed a whole ecosystem of games and events to bring them back.
>Hoenn has almost no post-game in RS, and the game itself loses its momentum after Lilycove. I don't care about battle facilities in any game, they're grinding for the sake of being able to grind. So Emerald didn't really feel like it added that much.

>>56867904
>fighting 20 trainers in the tower isn't longer than just changing the clock
>barry and cynthia rematches aren't better than wally's cuckmatch and wallace lol
>infinte fossils from multiple gens isn't better than 2
>cyrus fight alone mogs the shitty hideout with 7 grunts all using poochyena and zubat and the only encounters being geodude and torkoal(stuff you've already seen)
nta but you're a disingenuous retard

>>56867986
>the absolute lowest hanging fruit
glad we agree platinum's worse performance is glaringly obvious

>>56861669
>or maybe you mean the competitive scenes. Yeah, luv me some competitive pokemon. Choice specs, choice scarf, life orb, focus sash. Good stuff.
correct + glad we agree + L

>>56867810
>The frontier - platinum has less facilities and they're all essentially tower clones
"muh tower clones" is a meme complaint
>Getting both box legends - gen 3 has them actively love across the map incentivising exploration
no it's just annoying
>Gym leader rematches - you have a set amount per day in platinum rather than calling up whoever you want
who gives a fuck
>Battling Steven - Platinum didn't change champions so you only have the one
this is a good thing, wallace is shit
>Mirage tower - platinum doesn't have an equivalent
who gives a fuck
>Trainer Hill from frlg was put into it for a time attack mode - platinum doesn't have that
only valid point here
>Magma hideout - dppt didn't have two teams
the magma hideout is ass

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>>56861449
>Are they considered better than dpp?
Yeah

>>56868375
The gay Redditors agree

Why is Sabor talking to themself again?

>>56861449
Duh.

>>56868360
>muh tower clones" is a meme complaint
Hardly, people looking for content ultimately want variety and gen 4 just doesn't have that.

>>56868489
Gen IV is the gen where you just have more and more stuff to keep doing once you beat the League, your Pokédex availability nearly triples in DP alone (151 > 442) and you get a ton of new mechanics, old areas are expanded upon, and you get access to a ton of new areas. I beat the League in my first Diamond playthrough at around 20 hours in. My final playtime was 230 hours, because people spend 90% of their playtime in the post-game doing other things. That's one of the differences with how people play Pokémon now (do a story-only replay with randomized elements or Nuzlocking, only play up to the League and turn it off and move to the next one). Gen I and RS make sense with that kind of playstyle because they have fuckall to do after the League.

Battle facilities are one thing to keep people occupied, but I personally think they're really tedious and boring, especially with the luck factor involved and the ages you spend optimally breeding and grinding and EV training to have a chance. I don't want to do that, I don't care about competitive Pokémon. Emerald has some nice additions but I don't care about its or Platinum's Battle Frontier, and that takes away 90% of Emerald's appeal.

>>56868584
>Gen IV is the gen where they arbitrarily made the pokemon distribution complete shit for 90% of the game to pointlessly lock off the rest of the pokemon in the remaining 10% with roadblocks and tedious gimmicks
ftfy

>>56868489
gen 4 has lots of it doe like radar

>90 replies do
Sagie NOT gonna like this

>>56868598
not really, they have about the same amount of pokemon to catch before the elite 4 there’s just more to catch after the credits

>>56868671
>they have about the same amount of pokemon to catch before the elite 4
lol no

>>56868678
lol yes

>>56868678
>~200 vs ~200
they do

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>>56861449
I just finished Fire Red and Emerald, and am about 80% of the way through Platinum. I played Sapphire and Diamond a long ass time ago but don't really remember the differences.

Emerald Pros:
-Gen 3 is stacked. One of the best rosters in the entire series, arguably as good if not better than 1. 90% of mons in it are S-Tier designs, many of them are also just straight up strong and well designed from a fighting standpoint.
-Villain team is one of the best in the series next to Rocket. Memorable design and name, coherent plan, cool admins.
-Introducing Legendaries as a force of nature instead of just really strong mons is contentious. But the rainstorm, heatwave, and battle in Sootopolis is unforgettable.
-Environment is very fresh and unique. Like >>56863383 said, Hoenn feels like a huge step up in terms of map design. It's actually fun and interesting to explore. Even towns with fuck all in them like Verdanturf are great.
-Incredibly memorable towns. Fortree, Lavaridge, Slateport, Sootopolis...
-NPC interaction is very good. Noticeably, almost all of the dialogue serves a purpose to be provide a service, to talk about current events/lore, or to be funny. Other games really suffer from this.

Emerald Cons:
-Water lmao. It's kind of a meme, but it does get tedious as hell and annoying to navigate. By the time you get Dive and realize there's a whole 2nd underwater section, you kind of don't even want to be assed to explore it.
-Game is really easy, with the exception of a few fights. Like easy enough to roll with 1-2 Mons.
-Elite 4 is all over the place. Champion is a downgrade from R/S
-Music isn't that great. It's good and has a couple of memorable tracks, but nothing amazing.

(1/2)

>>56868584
I really wish that were true but the reality is that once you beat the league in DP all out have is the battle island and the short story there. I suppose there's cresselia and giratina but that's just your standard roamer and the worst third version mon dungeon to date.
I could probably find more variety in SV's content than I could in DPPt.

>My final playtime was 230 hours
Also you say that like it's impressive when most people here probably clocked in more time with all the games. I know I personally have something like 300 hours in XY but I wouldn't say it has a variety of content much like I wouldn't for DPPt especially in comparison to RSE where just about everything was content upon content
Time trial cycling road
Contests, Berry blending, filling in the museum
Slots and Roulette
Secret bases where you basically made your own gym and shared it with a friend
The Trick House
Hell the Regi hunt is still one of the most involved legendary hunts to date
And this is still just the base game.

>>56868691
>>56868678
Before credits, trading with previous games at the same level of progress allowed.
Red and Green: 149
Gold and Silver: 200
Ruby and Sapphire: 194
Emerald: 195
Diamond and Pearl: 151 (150 if not counting Manaphy)
Platinum: 210 (209 if not counting Manaphy)

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>>56868725
Platinum Pros:
-One of the best starter lineups in the entire series.
-Gen 4 roster has a couple of misses, but is otherwise an extremely good Gen. Introduces multiple new evolutionary states for older Mon.
-Music is top tier. Tons of funky/jazzy tunes all over the place. Eterna City theme is underrated as fuck btw.
-Graphics are a big step up.
-Day/Night and Seasonal cycle is a cool idea
-Gyms have much more unique and interesting designs that fit their types perfectly.
-Underground section is a fun idea to allow you to interact with the world a bit more
-Cynthia

Cons:
-Controls are insanely unresponsive. Idk if this is a game problem or a DS problem but god damn. You run into walls on accident so much.
-Game is ridiculously fucking slow. Slow to move, slow to respond, slow for dialogue (even on Fast), slow as fuck everything.
-Movesets in Gen 4 are retarded. Empoleon for example doesn't learn a single Steel move outside of breeding, but learns tons of Flying moves. Yeah I get he's a penguin, but he's fucking Water/Steel
-Game is also ridiculously easy. Vast majority of Gym leaders only have 3 mons and they're usually shitmons, or have terrible movesets.
-Many, many instances in the game (mostly Gyms) where you have to do a ton of work pushing buttons/moving shit around/solving puzzles to get to an end area. If you black out, they all reset making it extremely frustrating.
-Team Galactic is dogshit. Even in-game NPCs make fun of them for being stupid and looking stupid. Their plan is insanely generic.
-Map feels like a huge downgrade from Hoenn. Feels very generic and uninteresting to explore.


Generally speaking I think Platinum is fine, and introduces a LOT of good things that helped develop the series.
However, overall Emerald is just straight up a better, more fun game.

>>56868727
DP have
>Snowpoint Temple + Regigigas
>Spring Path/Sendoff Spring/Turnback Cave + Giratina
>Sailor Eldritch subquest (Fullmoon Island + roaming Cresselia)
>Marley subquest (Victory Road second half, Route 224)
>Battle Zone (Route 225, Route 226, Route 227, Route 228, Route 229, Route 230, Stark Mountain, Fight Area, Survival Area, Resort Area, Battle Park)
>Buck subquest + Heatran
>Member Card event (Newmoon Island + Darkrai)
>Oak's Letter event (Seabreak Path/Flower Paradise + Shaymin)
>Azure Flute event (Hall of Origin + Arceus)
>Underground expansion
>Trophy Garden expansion
>Great Marsh expansion
>Pal Park opens
>Poké Radar unlocks
>Dual-slot mode unlocks
>Daily swarms
>Super Rod

RS have
>Sky Pillar + Rayquaza
>Beldum from Steven
>Final Trick House challenge
>S.S. Tidal
>Battle Tower
>Roaming Lati
>Eon Ticket event (Southern Island + other Lati)

I do everything possible before post-game and RS just fall apart. There's open-ended content in both games, they both have Contests, Sinnoh has Poffins, Sinnoh has underground bases, they both have Game Corners and Battle Towers.

It was all downhill after here

>>56868660
>Ivy is ESL and can't count
Brutal shit

Uh, I like them about the same.
I think the tropical Hoenn environment is richer and more colorful than Sinnoh, which is mostly snowy and muddy. Emerald is also a much snappier game, in its movement speed and battle animations.

But Gen 4 has a stronger battle system, with the Physical/Special Split, moves being updated across for all Types across the board. There were lots of great evolutions for old Pokemon too, which made team building fun in Platinum.

Ultimately depends on who you're asking, what they care about.

>>56869202
>with the Physical/Special Split
made the game worse

>>56868725
>-Music isn't that great. It's good and has a couple of memorable tracks, but nothing amazing.
holy fucking shit taste. best route and legendary themes in the series
>>56868795
>-Movesets in Gen 4 are retarded. Empoleon for example doesn't learn a single Steel move outside of breeding, but learns tons of Flying moves. Yeah I get he's a penguin, but he's fucking Water/Steel
yes she does, you get flash cannon after byron
>-Many, many instances in the game (mostly Gyms) where you have to do a ton of work pushing buttons/moving shit around/solving puzzles to get to an end area. If you black out, they all reset making it extremely frustrating.
literal skill issue

>>56869227
also how do you cry about the game being easy then in the next point say the puzzle shit resets when you black out hahahah what a fucking shitter

>>56869221
Not really.

>>56869396
Yes really.

Why even compare?

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>>56868849
>>Daily swarms
>>Super Rod
You know, this is why we laugh at Sinnohsperm like you.
I mean, swarms have been a thing in every game since gen 2 and the first game to have them post E4 was RS but you didn't even put it there.

Also you know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel when you're using events.

>>56861449
For the most part, I mean 60fps and single player content that doesn't want to make you blow your brains out in sheer boredom isn't anything to snuff at.

why are hoennfags like this

>>56870153
his shitty list isn't any more padded than the other guy listing 80% of stuff that both games have and some environmental puzzles

>>56861449
I remember when DP came out and they honestly just felt like tech demos for Pokemon on the DS. Everything felt like a step down from Gen 3. The environments were much less varied (the only ones that really stood out were the fog and snow routes), and the music was droning and dull. The battle system was even slower than Gen 3’s somehow and even in the overworld there were bizarre pauses everywhere. Galactic was another weird cultish group looking to harness the box legendary but lacked the unique charm of Aqua/Magma being on your side depending on the version. The box legendaries were both samefag looking dragons with the pressure ability everyone was already sick of, instead of unique mons with thematically fitting abilities and typings like Gen 3’s. Instead of secret robot legendaries you needed to scour the world for there were three samefag gay fairies at plot locations. I remember seeing the leaks of all the new Sinnoh pokemon, and most of the interesting ones like Magnezone and Froslass ended up being locked to postgame. There was another an “epic mysterious trainer” who shows up to say nothing periodically and ends up being a “surprise” champion. The league is on a waterfall island following a water route again, but instead of landing on a cool paradise area with a hype victory road, you just end up on another dirty area with victory road having a shitty beta track and a worse version of Hoenn’s road layout. the day/night cycle added again was cool at least.

I distinctly remember playing it on release and having an impression of “is this all pokemon is going to be from here on out? The games were delayed for two years and it’s just Ruby/Sapphire again but worse?” I had already been critical of Ruby/Sapphire for the grievances most others at that time expressed due to it following Johto, but grew to appreciate what those games DID do well over time. I can’t say the same for Sinnoh.

>>56870196
>his shitty list isn't any more padded than the other guy listing 80% of stuff that both games have and some environmental puzzles
The other anon listed things you could actually do, most of the locations on the DP list have nothing in them like the survival area. Then you have things like Snowpoint, the dual slot feature and pal park all being reliant on other games.
Man, that inferiority complex goes hard for you guys.

>>56870196
>listing 80% of stuff that both games have and some environmental puzzles
Anon, that's the Sinnohfag.
The guy he was talking to listed things exclusive to RS. The only things shared between gen 3 and 4 are contests and bases in name only since they offer so much more customization options and features and have more fleshed out mechanics respectively.

>>56869658
Post Split:
>I put Shadow Ball on Gengar to do as much damage as possible
Pre Split:
>I put Thunderbolt on Gengar to do as much damage as possible
It's not different.

>>56869202
>But Gen 4 has a stronger battle system
Nah
>pebbles
>u-turn
>consequence of the phys/spec split forcing everything to minmax
All of comp’s cancers outside of stall can be traced directly to Gen 4.

>>56861449
Emerald>Plat>DP>RS

>>56870415
>>consequence of the phys/spec split forcing everything to minmax
borderline word salad

>>56870455
Emerald isn't that much better than RS unless you consider the BF to be an 11/10

>>56870547
It is

>>56870390
Ghost and Electric are 2 of the most spammable types in the game.

>>56870537
you must be special ed

people be like, yo frontier is so fire (never played it btw)

>>56870547
better story
better plot
better pokemon distribution
more postgame
more replayability
better aesthetics
better graphics
more moves

this meme that 3rd versions are inconsequential is just that: a dumb meme

>>56870870
projection

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You get to play as Brendan and May. So yeah I'd say they're better

>>56870890
garbage redesigns in ORASs
they also made the male latinx for no reason

>>56870948
They wanted the japanese girl to get with the mexican. giwtwm

>>56870873
>better story
at the cost of having more padding with the pointless grunt battles
>better plot
worse pacing
>better pokemon distribution
all of the hoennmons you want were readily available in RS anyways
>more postgame
Yeah, the BF
>but what about the Gym Leader rematches?
have fun grinding against level 30s before you can get to the real teams
>more replability
once again, point 1. Magma Hideout and the Mossdeep Team Magma encounter all make the game worse
>better aesthetics
Most people prefer the RS designs for the protagonists
>better graphics
All they did was polish (some) of the overworld Pokemon sprites. Battle animations are cool even if they're not as dynamic as Gen 2's
>more moves
Sure, I guess.
Emerald's main improvements (and for why it's definitely better than RS, if not by a huge margin unlike Platinum for completely reworking and salvaging DP) are the better Gym Leader teams, more double battles, fixing one of the lamest "features" Game Freak has ever committed to in version exclusive Legendaries, and the aforementioned Frontier.

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>>56870863
no
you

DPP was peak Pokemon mechanics and art. Splitting special and physical was necessary. The underground was fucking kino and the only people who didn't like it didn't have friends.

>>56871122
i don't have friends and i still like it so they don't have any excuse

>>56871122
I feel like gen 5 really refined the gen 4 battle system to it's best, but as the first Special/Physical Split gen and what is basically the modern pokemon system I think gen 4 really is the best bedrock to it. I say this as a big gen 3 enjoyer who loves emerald more because god I wish the split had happened in gen 3

>>56870153
I named stuff that unlocks post-game. All in all, the DP Pokédex expands from 151 to 442. It's only missing
>Kanto/Johto/Hoenn starters, Legendaries, and Mythicals (48)
>Tangela/Tangrowth, Tropius (3)
Platinum adds Tangela/Tangrowth, Tropius, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Regirock, Regice, and Registeel for a total of 451/493. Sinnoh's swarms are also particularly good, adding a new Pokémon to a different route every single day, it's far more expansive than Gen II Johto and Hoenn. But what matters is that it's only one piece of the post-game. It's something that adds more value, more reason to look around everywhere, like how the Poké Radar gives every grass area new Pokémon. If they gave Gen III Hoenn a Poké Radar that functioned like Sinnoh's and unlocked 50 new Pokémon post-game, I would praise it. If they had more than 8 Pokémon (that could already be found through swarms), I would praise it. But Gen III Hoenn doesn't.

>>56871122
>Splitting special and physical was necessary
Then why did it make the game worse?

>>56870215
I had the exact opposite experience. I remember feeling let down by Gen III after playing Gen II for so long (and I was really hyped for Ruby too), I remember there was this feeling of "That's it?". Gen IV brought back all my love because it finally felt like a real progression of what Gen II was doing. I also liked FRLG with the Sevii Islands. But Hoenn was easily the most flawed of the original regions. I also associate its garish colors with the shitty GBA backlight and the sanitization of the anime, it felt more cartoony than previous games and that was lame.

>>56871360
How? Do people actually believe this?

>>56871505
Pure contrarianism simple as

>>56871346
>Regirock, Regice, and Registeel
event only

>>56871562
DNS exploit gets you the fateful encounter Regigigas + Wonder Card distribution, which gets you the Regis. You can easily use your phone as a hotspot for any Gen IV game. Events in Gen IV and V are all accessible.

>>56871677
Just because you started playing with Gen III doesn't mean you aren't a newfag. I've been into Pokémon since Gen I and Gen IV completely shits on III.

>>56871032
>more padding
you literally don't like Pokemon

>>56870948
He's tanned, retard.

>>56871924
>Pokemon is battling the same old Poochyena, Golbat, or Numel/Carvanha combination 80,000 times
Do Emeraldfags even play their game?

>>56861449
Probably not, they feel more like more refined versions of Gen 3. I still prefer Gen 3 though because Gen 4 games are a fucking slog.

>>56871680
Sinnoh is just a wannabe Hoenn. Unfortunately it never hits that comfiness of Hoenn and instead just feels like a mess with countless bad design choices.

>>56861693
>By not having a garbage font
If that is your leading point your others are non issue among non issues

>nearly 200 replies
Holy shit do NOT let sagie see this, melty imminent

>>56861449
E > PT > RS > DP

>>56871346
>I named stuff that unlocks post-game
The conversation was never about what you unlock postgame, it was about the variety of content anon.
Not post game content but content as a whole. Listing shit like the fucking super rod is just pure desperation.

>>56872044
>t. started with gen 3

>>56873199
He's right though, even the story is pretty much the same with the only real difference being that they upped the scale from regional destruction to universal.

>>56873384
>even the story is pretty much the same
except better

>>56872467
It's simply one element of post-game Pokédex expansion and a reason to return to previously-visited areas containing water.
>Shellder/Cloyster
>Staryu/Starmie
>Dratini/Dragonair/Dragonite
>Chinchou/Lanturn
>Carvanha/Sharpedo
>Wailmer/Wailord
>Corphish/Crawdaunt
>Clamperl/Huntail/Gorebyss
>Relicanth
>Luvdisc
20 Pokémon that can't be obtained without the Super Rod. It's like how the Underground expansion gives you 9 new Pokémon because of the returning fossils, or the Great Marsh gives you 13 new Pokémon, or the Poké Radar gives you 78 Pokémon, or 19 for the Trophy Garden, or 55 for swarms, or 39 for dual-slot mode.

RS does not have that. My point is that DP outclass RS in nearly every way and the only reason someone wouldn't see that is because they're a Hoennfag who started with Gen III. You can speed through Cycling Road over and over to get a best time? You can walk with Pokémon and get a bunch of items in Amity Park. You can make Pokéblocks? You can make Poffins. You can do Contests? Same with Sinnoh. You can make Secret Bases? You can make underground bases and also mine for useful items and play capture the flag with friends wirelessly (and lol at the "It's like having your own Gym!" comment). DP have online trading and battling, even in the Battle Tower. DP even does event content better. Go home Hoennfag, you're an underbaked Sinnoh that ditched the sense of progression Gen II was going for.

>>56874312
>DP outclasses RS because they made the entire campaign dogshit just to arbitrarily lock stuff to after the credits!
No.

>>56874312
>DP outclasses RS because they made the entire campaign dogshit just to arbitrarily lock stuff to after the credits!
Yes.

>>56874340
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>56874328
I get it
You stop playing after the credits because you blitz Pokémon games, content doesn't matter to you, only childhood nostalgia. I played Ruby as a child, I was 9. It wasn't as good as Gen II, it wasn't even a finished game.

Did you know that Kalos having like 15 Pokémon per route pre-League is lazy and boring?
Did you know that Pokémon themselves are pointless on their own and the only thing that makes them valuable are the context in which they're available?
Did you know that Ruby and Sapphire were rushed out because Masuda thought the franchise was dying? I mean just look at them, only 3 years of dev time, poor structure after Lilycove, almost no post-game, that's the same amount of dev time as Kalos, Alola, Galar, and Paldea. Kalos was missing a whole southern section on par with the Battle Zone.

>>56874360
Name 1 literature source that confirms that.

>>56874373
>Did you know that Kalos having like 15 Pokémon per route pre-League is lazy and boring?
Did you know that Sinnoh making 90% of the game complete shit just to lock Pokemon off to tedious postgame gimmicks is even more lazy and boring?

>>56874375
the epic of gilgamesh

>>56874473
Wrong.

>>56874394
>Sinnoh locking 2/3 of Pokémon to 90% of the game and creating numerous mechanics for them is lazy and boring
Masuda himself has said that players spend the majority of their playtime after the credits, so you clearly just blitz through the main story, reach the credits, and stop playing. Your opinion is irrelevant, you're a zoomer.

>>56874328
>pokedex isn't comprised of weaker versions of Kanto pokemon
>far better mechanics for money and exp grinding
Can't quite see how DP made its campaign dogshit unlike RS.

>>56861663
DP was a poor excuse of a DS game, and Platinum was a decent attempt at fixing
FTFY

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Completing the dex in DPPt was the most fun I ever had in a postgame. Using my old gen 3 cartridges to unlock new encounters blew my mind as a kid.

>>56867747
Damn the poketch is so ugly, I get it has a GB feel to it (reason why the screen is green) but good God it could be even better (like the C-gear on poke-steroids)

>>56874507
>Masuda himself has said that players spend the majority of their playtime after the credits
No he didn’t.

>>56874507
That makes no sense when steam achievments show that 50% of players dont even finish the games.

>>56874373
> Did you know that Pokémon themselves are pointless on their own and the only thing that makes them valuable are the context in which they're available?
Thanks for pointing out why locking Pokemon to postgame is retarded. Catching Pokemon is pointless when I’m already done the majority of the game’s content.

>>56874581
u can change the screen color retard

>>56874373
>Did you know that Kalos having like 15 Pokémon per route pre-League is lazy and boring?
Based. Kalos is so tedious to play because there are retarded 5-10% encounters ON EVERY ROUTE leaving none of them having an identity beyond annoying.

>>56874615
>kalos is too hard for zoomzooms now
how the tables have turned

>>56874607
I know, it's still convoluted tho (need a snorlax and a keckleon, mons that arent easily avalible in dppt.
Also doesn't change the fact that it could look better

>>56874674
she looks fine and you sound trans still a better bottom screen than most of the other games

>>56874572
Same. It was cool having a reason to scour all the maps again. I would save before midnight at Sandgem and check for swarms, soft-resetting if it was one I had already encountered. I did this everyday until I found them all. I really love when they fill a game with side mechanics that benefit you if you take advantage of them, that's what makes an adventure really come alive for me.

>>56874676
Whatever, take the (you)

>>56874676
>poketch
>she

>>56874602
The maingame is nothing compared to the postgame and completing the dex is the goal of every game.

>>56874590
>>56874600
>Masuda: Also, one area needing improvement in the past was that some children had been unable to complete the games, so this time we wanted to make it so you could go rather straightforward as long as the overall adventures are concerned.

>Iwata: Completing the story is a part of the overall enjoyment of a Pokémon game, and you wanted lots of people to enjoy the games all the way through, right?

>Masuda: Right. Some would say that the real fun of a Pokémon game doesn't begin until you complete the story.

Most Pokémon put around 20 hours or less into the main story and put hundreds of hours into the post-game. Unless they're blitzing through the story on a randomizer or Nuzlocke, then they have no reason to play after the credits and never play again.

>>56874626
No, it's boring, not hard. I catch every Pokémon and fill out the Pokédex. Every time I go to a new route in Kalos, it becomes a case of "Time to catch 10+ new Pokémon...". There's no rhyme or reason to it, it's just hordes of Pokémon shoved in your face all at once. I keep thinking about how easy it would have been to remedy this, to incorporate more elements unlocked at different progression points that allow for more unique interactions with the world. Hordes and flower fields are fine, but they're still just grass encounters that happen without any further conditions. What about the radio from HGSS that brings out certain Pokémon when you play regional music? Why doesn't the Poké Radar have exclusive encounters anymore? Where are the daily swarms? You can have the same number of Pokémon per route, but for God's sake, do SOMETHING with them. If you somehow made a hack of Gen I Red and added all 1025 Pokémon, Route 1 is not going to be improved by having Pidgey, Rattata, Hoothoot, Sentret, Taillow, Zigzagoon, Starly, Bidoof, Pidove, Patrat, Fletchling, Bunnelby, Pikipek, Rookidee, Skwovet, and whatever the hell Paldea uses as standard grass encounters. If someone actually update Route 1 to have new sections and created new mechanics, maybe that COULD work, but otherwise it's simply bloat.

>>56874831
Didnt read your cope post.

Seems like the general consensus is that dppt is shit for padding the game to make it look like it has more than it does.
Understandable.

>>56874878
there is no consensus here

Both Platinum and Emerald are excellent Pokemon games that excel at different things, and you pick your poison largely based on your age.

>>56865425
>You had My Pokemon Ranch, but it had a stupid fucking limitation that only the save file that uploaded a Pokemon could take it out.
Never understood why they did this. The only true purpose that game had is getting a Mew.

seems like the general consensus is that i am right about everything and my penis is massive

>>56874990
Bvsed

>>56874878
the consensus:
>retarded shit posters
ugh more content
>actual pokemon players
holy shit two cakes! stuff to do after the E4!

>>56874878
According to the Hoennfags the only things that matter in Pokemon games are piss easy strength puzzles and the amount of pokemon and not if they're actually fun to use. If you find yourself impressed with these arguments then by all means play Emerald.

I'd say the main story is better in RSE than DPPT, but the post game in DPPT alongside these quality of life features really add up. Hoenn and Sinnoh are also both really atmospheric and moody places as the jump to 32 bit consoles meant they could really depict Hoenn/Sinnoh/Johto the way they wanted it. Gen 4's BF is moreso about battling than these neat side challenges that Gen 3's had which ironically opened up more strategies and contests were gutted in Sinnoh too.

Feels like it's a coin toss for me but I'm mostly jumping on the Gen 3 Hoenn games.

>>56874831
zoomers have tediousness confused with difficulty it's hilarious. She's probably the type of girl to gloat how ridiculous the grinding in early games was and how exp share fixed it. But thank you I felt the same way, I especially love how all that shit happens in the first couple routes because they tried to act like the game had content LOL.

Sagie mad again huh

>thread is a nice back and forth discussion
>sagie enters it just to genwar about kalos

>>56875088
parroting is an admission of defeat

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>>56875113
I accept your concession then.

>>56875038
Hoenn and Sinnoh in its DP tileset isn't really moody. Hoenn barely does a good job of communicating that it's a tropical region and DP Sinnoh is Game Freak keeping temporary assets.

>>56875021
Hoenn has the more fun metagame than Sinnoh.

>>56875128
that's not what parroting is
but you know that already

>>56869227
>>56869233
>Empoleon doesn't learn moves
>YES THERE'S TMs
>Get to end of Gym after fighting everyone, leave to heal before Leader and then re-do the entire puzzle section
Honestly lil bro I think youre just retarded

>>56875306
>says it only learns shit through breeding
>is false
>needs to backtrack to a pokecenter
honestly lil sis I think you’re just bad at the game

>>56875038
>I'd say the main story is better in RSE than DPPT

Is this really even a question? DPP story is really bad
>Team Galactic members straight up tell you they don't know what the fuck is going on
>Meet the leader like 6 times and he's just brooding in random areas mumbling about time and space
>First hint of a story is a random ass caveman drawing in a town with nothing else interesting in it
>5 seconds later Galactic is literally committing terrorism
The lore about the Legendaries is fine and the emotional lake legendaries are fine, but the actual presentation of the story is insanely incoherent and stupid

>>56875160
comp has never been fun

>>56875324
Meanwhile in RS, Team Magma has a water base because having two villain teams was clearly an idea they had late into game development. The admins are barely any different from grunts. Team Aqua can't justify itself at all. Emerald can't even balance them as Maxie is fought multiple times while Archie is fought once. This is what real incoherent game design looks like. It's not even uncommon for cultists/voters/followers to barely understand their leader's agenda so I have no idea what you're getting at.

>>56875306
These are all (You) problems, retard. Go look at Mawile if you want to see a shitty learnset

>>56875357
>emerald has you fight maxie three times
>while also removing courtney entirely from the story
boy they really pulled a boner there

>>56875364
>>56875318
Honestly it's hard to tell if youre underage, or just genuinely low IQ. Likely both.

>>56875357
>It's not even uncommon for cultists/voters/followers to barely understand their leader's agenda so I have no idea what you're getting at.
This is completely irrelevant to the player. If the Galactic members can't exposit anything about what they're doing then why do they even speak at all? If I'm not allowed to know what the villain is doing until the final act of the game, why are they present at all during the majority of it?

>The admins are barely any different from grunts.
Objectively false
>can't even balance them as Maxie is fought multiple times while Archie is fought once
Who gives a shit?

>Who gives a shit?
This is when you know you lost the argument.

>>56875380
ok glad we agree empoleon learns steel moves without breeding and you’re bad at the game, nigger

>>56875409
Still you continue this argument as if I can't just open DP right now and encounter something other than Geodude and Machop. Maybe that's why you're unable to convince anyone of anything.

>>56874373
>Did you know that Kalos having like 15 Pokémon per route pre-League is lazy and boring?

Well, one of their documented complaints about Gen 3 was a lack of variety. Platinum was preferred over DP for that same reason. It likely just eventually led to rosters like BW2 and XY becoming the standard.

>>56875439
Yes the echo chamber does seem to believe some pokemon being more used than others breaks the game for whatever reason. Does your game start glitching out when you encounter a Geodude?

>>56875447
>one of their documented complaints about Gen 3 was a lack of variety
I've never heard anyone complain about the route variety of gen 3.

>>56875457
it was in the teraleaks , something like the playtester was sick of seeing zigzagoon in plains, jellyfish in water etc

>>56875401
>He thinks there is a good/bad in fucking pokemon games
Lmfao. You really are underage

>>56875324
Team Magma and Aqua are kind of unanimously agreed to be the worst-written teams.
>Wow I didn't understand that getting rid of all land/water would be a bad thing for the environment. There's no way that this could have been foreseen.
Ruby and Sapphire even have them DO THE EXACT SAME THINGS to achieve what is supposed to be completely opposite goals. I'm surprised they didn't have Team Ether for Emerald who wants to get rid of the surface of the planet and add getting rid of oxygen to Magma's and Aqua's plan. They're written the way they are because they needed an obvious motivation for the player to stop them, but it makes them retarded and unbelievable.

Team Galactic's grunts are dumb mooks who think they're solving some sort of energy problem, but they're simple-minded idiots following a cult leader. Cyrus is a nihilist autist using them so he can end reality and start it anew in his own ideal, spirit-less world. He blames all conflict and strife on spirit, and holds pure logic as his ideal God because he was some neglected kid left alone in rooms of machines. And it's not like Cyrus is wrong, human flaws lead to all our issues, but he's blind to the virtues of the spirit. He even properly captures Dialga or Palkia in DP using the Red Chain, but Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf intervene and stop it. In Platinum he captures BOTH and the three can't stop him, so the story needs an actual deus ex machina from another world to stop him from ending the universe.

Let's not even talk about Pokémon variety. Magma and Aqua, together and counting their admins and leaders, are
>Zubat/Golbat/Crobat
>Poochyena/Mightyena
>Numel/Camerupt (Ruby only)
>Carvanha/Sharpedo (Sapphire only)
Emerald also adds one single Grunt with a Baltoy and one single Grunt with a Wailmer. That's worse than Team Rocket, that's less variety than many NPC Trainers.

Jesus Christ I'm not arguing for the great writing in Pokémon but holy shit how biased can you be for your childhood game?

>>56875021
>amount of pokemon and not if they're actually fun to use
honest question, how do you sincerely rate whether or not a pokemon is fun to use? How easy it makes the game?

>>56875460
yes
u-shit
me-good

DPP has a great roster of mons and a fantastic soundtrack stuck in a game with one of the shittiest regions and the most boring towns ever alongside the most forgettable villain team ever

>>56875490
>great roster of mons
>alongside the most forgettable villain team ever
Absolutely not.

>>56875476
>In Platinum he captures BOTH and the three can't stop him, so the story needs an actual deus ex machina from another world to stop him from ending the universe.
and it's fucking awesome, i might add

>>56875455
>some pokemon being more used than others breaks the gam
It breaks the game in that it becomes unbelievably shit to play, yes.

>>56875476
>Team Magma and Aqua are kind of unanimously agreed to be the worst-written teams.
According to what, your ass?
>They're written the way they are because they needed an obvious motivation for the player to stop them
So every single Villain team
>Let's not even talk about Pokémon variety.
You mean like how literally every single Galactic team member has a Skunky, Croagunt and Glameow literally without fail?
>Jesus Christ I'm not arguing for the great writing in Pokémon but holy shit how biased can you be for your childhood game?
Pearl was my first game lol.

If you like Galactic that's completely fine. Nothing about them is particularly awful except for like I mentioned, gameplay wise they do totally absurd and random shit that is not ever explained to the player except in the final part of the game.

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>>56875476
it's great how gen 3 introduces a bunch of cool water type lines to fill out its fishing and diving encounters, not to mention the ones it brings back from gen 1 and 2
and team aqua uses exactly one of them

>>56875477
Yeah, I do. Why wouldn't I? Hoenn's shitmons are just weaker Kanto pokemon, like Ralts being an inferior Abra. It just makes me wish I was playing FRLG instead.

>>56875490
region is kino and the towns are comfy thoughever

>>56875540
but then Sinnoh is worse than Hoenn anyway. It's far easier to abuse Hoenn's plethora of shitmons with what you can catch relative to Sinnoh's

>>56875447
Gen III doesn't even have a variety issue until the final third of the game, they blew their load at the start.

Like I said before, you can have the amount of Pokémon Kalos did, but it needs mechanics to make them interesting instead of bloat. Have Sina and Dexio show up in specific places based on both story and Pokédex progress. Let's say you can encounter 150-200 Pokémon through standard gameplay. You hit 40 Pokémon and Dexio says "Wow you're doing great. On behalf of Professor Sycamore, I'd like you to take one of these items that may help you with your Pokédex" and you get a list of things to choose from like the Poké Radar, Headbutt TM, music player, etc. Each one makes around 50 new Pokémon available across the region counting evolutions and may have other applications as well (ie. when the Music Player is set to music from Johto, Gen II Pokémon may get boosted experience). You can ultimately obtain more than 600 Pokémon if you keep playing by the time you get all the new mechanics, and not only that, by giving the player a choice of what mechanic to pick next, it allows for more team variety across different players of equal progress. Maybe you can only find Electrike by leaving out bait near the Power Plant, while Shinx appears if you're playing Sinnoh music, so you'd prioritize obtaining those mechanics first if you wanted those Pokémon first.

>>56875512
You didn't answer, does encountering Geodude make your game glitch?

>>56875490
They deserved a better remake, honestly. Arceus is a quarter of a game to test shit and BDSP has no right existing.

>>56875554
> but it needs mechanics to make them interesting
waiting hours for a pokemon to show up isn’t interesting
waiting until the credits isn’t interesting
buying an entirely separate game isn’t interesting

>>56875552
Even Bibarel has more entertaining abilities and moves than a good chunk of Hoenn.

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>>56875554
the pokemon that need special mechanics to unlock need to be better than what you can catch by default to make the system work
i'll be the first to say sinnoh has a huge distribution problem, arguably worse than johto's, and the issue isn't so much that pokemon are hard to find but that the pokemon which are hard to find are not all that better than the ones that are easy to find. i'm not going to slather a honey tree to catch a cherubi or wait for the safari zone to give me carnivine when budew has been available since before the first badge and roserade is better than both.
that being said, i think this would be a good way to balance encounters if pokemon is to remain open world. it gives encounters natural progression again instead of an arbitrary "fuck you go get more badges".

>>56875578
>buying an entirely separate game isn’t interesting
but enough about hoenn

>>56875523
>4 lines in RS
>compared to Wurmple, Zubat, Stunky, Glameow, Bronzor, and Croagunk lines
Christ, what was Gamefreak smoking between gen 3 and 4

>>56875578
>buying an entirely separate game isn’t interesting
I'm glad you agree that Gen 3 is shit.

>>56875586
but your argument was that fun = how easy a pokemon makes the game, and Bibarel is largely dogshit in a game that's generally way more difficult than RS(E)
this fails by your own admission

>>56875607
"Fun" is just just potential to me. Bibarel can run Simple Defense Curl Rollout, that's a more entertaining strategy than what a lot of Hoenn mons provide.

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>>56875517
I stop Team Rocket because they're bad people in it for profit and they're harming others and in my way.
I stop Team Galactic because they're dumb bullies but they're capable of ending the existing world and wiping out everything because of one man's misanthropy.
I stop Team Magma/Aqua because they're dumb people acting recklessly to do something absolutely retarded that even they realize is bad upon seeing it. I understand how a character like Cyrus exists. I understand his motivations even if I think he's doing something terrible. I even think his ideal world could be fine and feasible, and the biggest problem is what he's doing to this world. But Maxie and Archie have no foresight. What should even be obvious to a child is not to these grown men or any of their followers. There is nothing to distinguish them from their grunts beyond sprites, names, and music. Pic related from 2010 or 2011.

Galactic's teams are
>Wurmple/Silcoon/Beautifly/Cascoon/Dustox (DP only)
>Stunky/Skuntank
>Glameow/Purugly
>Croagunk/Toxicroak
>Bronzor/Bronzong
>Murkrow/Honchkrow
>Houndour/Houndoom (Platinum only)
>Sneasel/Weavile (Cyrus)
>Gyarados (Cyrus)

Which, while not as much as Team Rocket, is still far more than Magma and Aqua combined with all their grunts, admins, and leaders.

>>56875630
>fun pokemon = break the game
>actually, it means potential
>like Defense Curl Rollout Bibarel :)
no

>>56875476
>Cyrus is a nihilist autist using them so he can end reality and start it anew in his own ideal, spirit-less world.
Thing is, that's fucking dumb. How would you go about removing an abstract idea like spirit? How do you even define it?
Is it a soul?
Is it an emotion?
Is it determination?
Not to mention, you have the three pokemon that effectively could control "spirit" and just use them as a vector for the time and space pokemon and do nothing else with them? How does that make sense? They're under your control, take them with you when you make your new world and use their power to literally prevent the existence of spirit.
Not to mention the rules of causality would be fucked in Diamond specifically because Cyrus would have obviously prevented his own birth but this is a different matter anyway, I'm just pointing out how little sense DP's story fucking makes.

>but holy shit how biased can you be for your childhood game?
The irony of this is lost on you.

>>56875664
Yeah yeah have fun with Astonish Lombre and weakass Lairon that takes forever to evolve. Somehow Johto is memed as the shitmon generation while Hoenn is right there.

>>56875578
Looking for and obtaining rare Pokémon is half the fun of the game, Tajiri talks about it in his Capsule Monsters pitch document. Pokémon are nothing without context, they're mostly interchangeable creatures that you can use to mash through baby's first jarpig. What makes them interesting and fleshed out are the mechanics that go into them. I want a Pikachu with Volt Tackle so I lead with a Pokémon with Compound Eyes or Static to make encountering a Pikachu holding a Light Ball easier, and I use Thief. Maybe I use the Poké Radar to chain them. Maybe I want to find the 1% Wailord on Route 129, so I use the Repel trick to make its encounter rate 100% (only doable in Ruby for some reason), or I use Repel to increase my chances are finding a wild Chansey in Gen II. Maybe I insert FireRed for dual-slot mode to find wild Elekid at Valley Windworks and also go for an Electirizer, and then do the same thing with LeafGreen for Magby and a Magmarizer outside Stark Mountain. I learn how to use the daycare to get baby Pokémon in Gen II, I headbutt trees to get a Heracross, I use honey, I play music, I watch for swarms, I check at night, etc.

The mechanics for finding specific Pokémon are what sets this series apart from other games and made it worth playing.

>>56875717
gen 5 is my favorite gen but i think it's really bad about this. everything is just pissing around in the tall grass. i don't ever miss contests or secret bases when i visit unova, but i do miss headbutt trees and day/night encounters. rustling grass is cool, at least, but it's not enough.

>>56875676
I was a teenager when Gen IV came out.

"Spirit" in this case is the opposite of pure logic, he aims for a world of automated machines. No emotion, no drive, just functioning.

He has no need for Uxie, Mesprit, or Azelf after he makes the Red Chain. I don't see why bringing them with him would "prevent" spirit, that's like saying bringing a bucket of paint with you everywhere will prevent you from it being spilled.

I don't even know what you're trying to get at with causality, he's not being born again, he'd exist as a godlike figure that uses the power of Dialga/Palkia to shape his new world. It's not difficult.

>>56875686
this coming from someone propping up Rollout Bibarel? absolute irony
and I have never once said Hoenn is somehow not a shitmon region

Bros new Verlis set just dropped
Rollout Bibarel

>>56875717
>Looking for and obtaining rare Pokémon is half the fun of the game
waitng hours until RNG decides to give you the pokemon you want isn't fun.
spending 90% of the campaign staring at geodude and zubat and machop encounters isn't fun.

>>56875747
>I was a teenager when Gen IV came out.
Explains a lot about why you like it.
>Spirit" in this case is the opposite of pure logic
That doesn't solve the issue because spirit isn't the inverse of logic no matter how you spin it.
> I don't see why bringing them with him would "prevent" spirit, that's like saying bringing a bucket of paint with you everywhere will prevent you from it being spilled
You do know what Uxie, Azelf and Mesprit are, right? It's less carrying a bucket of paint to prevent it from spilling and more having a dog you've beaten into subservience under your watchful eye at all times utilising it only when you need it.
>I don't even know what you're trying to get at with causality, he's not being born again, he'd exist as a godlike figure that uses the power of Dialga/Palkia to shape his new world
This isn't Madoka, anon. He won't actually become a god, he'll still be limited by cause and effect so he'll run into the classic grandfather paradox if he doesn't make a new timeline altogether and we know from ORAS, Gen 7 and SV, that it doesn't but I digress.

In any case it's obvious that one one actually thought about the plot of DP.

>>56875847
Defeating a Dragonite with a Porygon-Z using Shadow Ball isn't any more fun than defeating a Poochyena with a Pikachu using Thunderbolt. It's the same thing if I use a level 100 starter and spam its strongest STAB movie, it accomplishes the exact same thing. Pokémon are simply different colors of shirts you wear, their potential in battle is typically above what the game offers outside of battle facilities.

Now fuck off Yawnie and maybe spend your time doing something more meaningful than genwar shitposting for 80% of your waking day. Maybe get off welfare and get a job, I'm sure someone would hire an autist like you, though you'd probably get fired.

Distortion World and Cynthia sitting on her ass while you battle Cyrus and deal with Giratina alone make Platinum retarded

>>56875993
I was a kid for Gens I, II, and III. Everyone around my age has nostalgia for Gen III, I don't. I was here when BW was coming out in 2010.

Logic is the opposite of spirit as you can infer from everything Cyrus says. He sees the existing world as nonsense because of the incomplete spirit. People maim and fight for resources. He grew up in the perfect world of machines. That's his reference point.

I don't see why he'd ever need Uxie, Mesprit, or Azelf. He wants spirit GONE. It's like keeping taking your one weakness, the one thing that could end your plans with you. With Dialga and Palkia, UMA couldn't even stop them, it took Giratina's intervention to save the world. But once Cyrus had his world, he would have won. That's it. Everyone and everything who existed previously would be gone, and he could make a world in his own image.

Cyrus would be a god in the sense he could use Dialga and Palkia at their full power. Maybe he could prevent himself from aging using Dialga, and allow himself to survive in the new void with Palkia. And he would construct the new world devoid of spirit. He even ends up trapped in the Distortion World in Platinum where he's ironically left seething despite being in a place without spirit. It's an ironic ending, but also maybe somewhat happy since the game alludes to his unfortunate childhood and doesn't outright deny his claims.

>>56876031
This is my favorite genwar meme because it has no effect on anything whatsoever to a person that actually engages with media but on /vp/ we must pretend it's a horrible plot hole because genwars are not about honest discussion but relentless shitposting.

>>56876162
>It has no effect
The effect is me as the player is wondering why the story is so bad when the Champion with juiced up mon is leaving it up to some fucking kid to save the world when she's right there

>>56876177
So the effect is you bitching about something inconsequential and that should be my problem too?
What difference does it make? Tell me that clown.

>>56876066
>Logic is the opposite of spirit as you can infer from everything Cyrus says
You don't understand at all do you. This isn't about what he's saying, it's about what they actually mean. It doesn't make any kind of sense and it's just nonsense ramblings at the end of the day.
>He sees the existing world as nonsense because of the incomplete spirit.
See what I mean, that doesn't make any sense. An "incomplete" spirit doesn't cause worldly issues, if anything it's the opposite where personal desires cause it.
An incomplete spirit would be more lethargy and depression.
Or if he's talking about the world as a whole in a figurative sense in that the people are the spirit of the earth and it's incomplete due to the lack of unification between them, too bad that was never brought up in the story.
>I don't see why he'd ever need Uxie, Mesprit, or Azelf. He wants spirit GONE
Exactly, you use the mon to erase any semblance of spirit and then kill them. That's a far better plan than simply letting the key to your defeat exist.
>It's like keeping taking your one weakness, the one thing that could end your plans with you
Anon, it's taking the one thing that could defeat you and actively removing it forever. Then again we are talking about someone who literally doesn't understand what he's fighting.
>Cyrus would be a god in the sense he could use Dialga and Palkia at their full power.
But he's still human that's the point

>>56875676
>They're under your control, take them with you when you make your new world and use their power to literally prevent the existence of spirit.
No need as he has the red chain already. He was going to kill them permanently until the player saved them.

>>56876177
its because you're the player

>>56876162
>muh genwars
reddit

>>56876031
Really? That's not even the first instance of DPP's plot being stupid. There's literally no reason why Galactic should be able to capture all three of the spirit pixies from a lore standpoint or from a gameplay standpoint. They just do because the plot mandates it.

bxjaj

>>56876187
Just because you don't care if the game is devoid of logic or story doesn't mean everyone does. Calling others clown, lmfao you stupid fuck.

>>56877356
All these hours later just for the typical meltdown. Clearly /vp/ has a real low IQ NPC problem. Can you even read anon? I don't think Pokemon stories are difficult to digest so it must be a you problem.

>>56877338
They bombed a fucking lake, attacked them, and defeated them.
Palmer caught a Cresselia, Regigigas, and Heatran. Frontier Brains and the Battle Chatelaine have Legendary Pokémon
USUM has all the team leaders with Legendary Pokémon.

God what a retarded complaint, you're literally coming up with headcanon nonsense to justify your opinion but just can't accept that you're too goddamn stupid to follow a children's game

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>>56861449
Platinum mogs all

>>56861449
Platinum>Emerald and I like Emerald with every fiber of my being, although I think HGSS clears both imo