>>56872918
I think this is just a defensive measure by Nintendo, mainly to protect their new console. Pokémon hasn't had a new mainline game in a long while, technically since 2022 (!!!) and our comes this series that people were trying to unfavourably compare to your system selling franchise (despite them being quite different).

So they do this to gradually wear down the competition. Time spent doing legal stuff is time spent not developing and pushing your game, especially for a smaller studio. That means Nintendo's system seller, and popularity of their platform is kept safe. Meanwhile Nintendo may or may not be trying to forcibly fix up Pokémon by making sure Game Freak put more resources into their games. I hope they get rid of Ohmori if this is the case because that would be so good for the games to even start with.

>>56872918
5 million yen is a rounding error... i assume the "damages" part is much more

>>56872939
Nintendo is suing because Palworld sold millions upon millions copies and is now expanding into cross media with SME and Aniplex. If Palworld was a niche game on Steam with 200k units WW, there would be no lawsuit.

They probably feel they have to go to court here.

>>56872918
Get fucked Pocketpair

I think they have a legit case with the "monster ball capture" patent, but the one about riding monsters seems petty

>>56872980
They're all petty. How the fuck can you patent fall damage lmao. Not that I care about pocketpair but that's just ridiculously ballsy to claim you """invented""" when you only got into open world games with BOTW in 2017

>>56872918
This shit is borderline patent trolling. Fuck Nintendo. How about they make better games instead of suing everyone?

>>56872995
>>56872997
Finally, some people will actual common sense. This shit is litereally retarded and anti competition.

>>56872980
They're all completely petty. As much as I loathe palworld and pocketpair (I got burned by their prior shitgame, Craftopia) this sort of patent trolling bullshit is far worse.

Monster catchers/battlers might be dead

>>56872918
Nintendo worried Palworld might surpass Pokemon huh?

>>56872918
Fuck NIntendo. Reminder to pirate all their games.

>>56873008
No, just don't get too popular then you'll be fine.

>>56873013
Not at all. The reason why is its such low hanging fruit and is a good way to hurt their existing competition.
Palworld signed with Sony, this has nothing to do with the fantasy scenario of "it might hurt pokemon".

>>56872980
>>56872995
>>56872997
>>56873002
>>56873008
>>56873013
>>56873018
Cope Paltards, make sure to play the slop before it goes forever!

>>56873043
Sony hasnt even done anything to harm Nintendo. Do they just live rent free in Nintendo's head?

>>56872918
Can Zenimax sue every fps made in the US?

>>56873043
They signed with Sony MUSIC which is basically a different company. Nintendo literally is working with Sony Pictures for the upcoming Zelda film.

palwon
pokelost

>>56872918
>>56872949
>3 patents
>only 100k + interest
It's over.
They're going to yield, guys

>>56873044
Palworld is literally more popular than Pokemon right now. Every pokefan I know is playing Palworld.

>>56873057
It's a war of attrition. They're not doing it for money, just to buy time while they force Game Freak to get their shit together for Switch 2

>>56872918
Nintendo has had enough of everyone copying them (Genshin, Palworld, Multiversus) and are lashing out.

>>56872918
On one hand, big corporations using gameplay patents to crush smaller devs are awful, period. It's bullying and peak corporatism.

On the other hand, Pocketpair made money while ("allegedly") stealing assets from other artists.

I don't know what's worse...

>>56873044
nigger

>>56873070
>Pocketpair made money while ("allegedly") stealing assets from other artists.
Never proven

>>56873070
>On the other hand, Pocketpair made money while ("allegedly") stealing assets from other artists.
This shit has to stop. If they actually infringed Nintendo's copyright and stole assets, that would be what they'd sue over.

>>56873079
Ok maybe not specifically stealing but definitely a severe dearth of creativity to the point of soullessness

>>56873070
>Rich guy strong-arming another guy because their art are too similar
I don't know man...

>>56873090
Palworld made millions they're rich too

>>56873079
You can pretty obviously tell some of the models are frankestein'd. The thing is that going for that angle is a whole lot less damaging if it goes through.

>>56873097
Poor indie sweatshop with huge cash.

this is feudalist-style regulatory capture. But wait, they're in japan. It'll only be a matter of time before everyone who ever worked for pocketpair is executed cartel-style, and then all the news will say they committed suicide.
Because tpc/N want to be gods, to rule the world, take everyone possessions, and then to enslave everyone and work them to death to get every last ounce of value out of them, and then kill them. Because anyone else who exists independently aside from them, is just competition they have to deal with, and they don't want to do that.

I don't really care

>>56873070
Honestly this but I lean closer to side-eying Nintendo on this one. They get really cocky and assholish whenever they're popular and making money. It's pretty anti-gaming in general to patent gameplay mechanics and hold it against companies. You aren't pro-creativity and supportive of the medium if you do stuff like this. You're just in favor of your own organization.

But Palworld is also soulless so I don't really care here. They both suck, hard. Nintendo not eliminating any form of competition to make Pokémon look favorable would be nice though, maybe Game Freak would finally get rid of Ohmori and put my boy Iwao in charge and we'd be back to based games

>>56873100
Nintendo is hundreds of orders of magnitude bigger than Pocketpair

>>56872918
Pocketpair just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Palworld for either system, nor will they purchase any of Pcketpair's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Pocketpair has alienated an entire market with this move.
Pocketpair, publicly apologize and cancel Palworld or you can kiss your business goodbye.

>>56873130
ywnbj

>>56872918
Easy win for Nintendo. They'll win anything in court in Japan, not to mention even just dragging this in court for long enough to drain pocketpair resources is already a win for them. Rid Palbros

Wow, that’s a pathetically small amount of money to demand from what they’re accusing Palworld of. Is this just more of a moral thing than a concern over damages?

>>56872918
Nintendo has been so fucking pathetic this year, great way to end off the the Switch era Kek

>>56873145
If Nintendo lose though I have a feeling this will have a major Streisand effect. "Nintendo DON'T want you to play this Pokémon game!" clickabait vids will flood YouTube

>>56873146
1. There can be a lot more damages, just not listed upfront
2. If that's not true, what this anon says >>56873145 basically

>>56873156
Ohhhh, true. Thanks for reminding me anon. I forgot how much of an iron grip Nintendo’s got over Japanese courts lol.

>>56872918
Nobody who actually cares about the future of the industry should want Nintendo/the Pokémon company to not lose the lawsuit. Pocketpair, and anyone else for that matter, getting a legal thumbs up to steal whatever designs they like from whoever would be the worst possible result for the industry because it's actually something they're demonstrating they're 100% ok with and are seeing exactly how far they can push it, vs a essentially made up conspiracy theory.

holy fucking shills

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i remember when palworld came out and for about two weeks everyone was talking about it and then everyone stopped talking about it and nobody has talked about it since

>>56873178
Soooo like all pokemon games?

>>56873178
It is literally called slop by even the developer.

>>56873183
Holy BTFO

>>56873175
They havent stolen any designs tho

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>>56873183

>>56873008
I don't think so, I think it will just force people/studios who want to make monster catching/battling/raising games to get really creative and outside-the-box with it. Almost one-for-one Pokémon "inspired" monster catching games might be dead, but I think the overall genre will just innovate away from anything remotely similar to Pokémon.
Nintendo/TCPi might have patents on "catching a funny monster in a ball", but they don't have a patent on "catching a monster" or even something like "catching a monster in a box" - patent shit can be really specific.

>>56873175
>Patent trolling is a made up conspiracy theory
>He doesn't know about what Konami's done to the rhythm game scene
Are you ok? Like mentally?

>>56873192
they're a shill for corporate dictatorship

>>56873192
Retarded corpo shill, you can't fix them

>>56872918
This is Nintendo killing the small problem before it rolls into a bigger problem for them, i.e. a true competitor

>>56873192
It's a Nintendo fan, they don't play non-Nintendo games so they don't know better

>>56873183
>he says, on the dedicated pokemon board

>>56873192
I mean even before that there's been numerous cases of patents fucking with random games.
You'd have to be underage or something to not have it affect a genre you're invested in. Though the point that patents do have to be uber specific is very true.
Hasn't stopped some pretty critical junctions being hit in said specific way though; but this patent really shows how close to the sun Pocketpair with their mighty "why try when you can copy" strategy.

>>56873201
It was a low hanging fruit so it'd be dumb if they didn't to be frank. Palworld was also absolutely trying to force itself into a pokemon 2; though honestly I don't think the momentum was there nintendo may as well.

>>56872918
Ok so pay and get this over already or scream and make this situation take as long as possible I guess.

>>56873220
People are reading the second bit right. The actual point isn't to get them to pay pittance. Thats just ceremonial essentially; the other bit is whats important.

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>They havent stolen any designs tho
Anon... They always did... No wonder people thought they were Chinese.

>>56873216
no matter how much you want to wish it or justify it with "well its not about the designs because they couldnt", the lawsuit is not about what you're trying to make it be about. Its not going to set the precedent you think its going to set, because courts do not work on implied subcontext or fanboy fantasies. If the suit is about one thing, thats the one thing it will be regarding

>>56872918
>Your honor, as you can clearly see from the patent image - it depicts throwing a ball like-object with a cityscape in the background. As there are no citycapes in our game, you can clearly see we did not break the patent.
>Also we don't use the Pokeball logo as shown in 1m1 lol

>>56873187
>>56873234

>>56872918
The game design patent trolling is funny because it's obvious they're only going this route because they won't win the case about somewhat stolen designs, yet ironically Palword plays nothing like Pokemon at all if anything it's actually a rip off of several other games.

>>56872918
Gameplay mechanic patents are toxic as fuck and always have been. If you actually enjoy games and want more cool stuff as a consumer you'd be against them. We've been deprived of cool shit like the Nemesis system being used by basically anyone except WB because of it, among other things over the years.
>>56873234
Falls under parody

>>56873100
>some of the models are frankestein'd

Says someone who has never worked with 3D modeling in their entire lives.

>SwSh's Dexcut
>SV's disastrous release
>Teraleak dev secrets released to the public
>Palworld lawsuit
I really wonder what it's like to work on Pokemon right now.

>>56872918
There is a guy who will have to give all of his future incomes to Nintendo after being sued by them, but when they go against an actual company the sue for pennies.

>>56873178
It's an early access game...

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>>56872918
I also hate Nintendo but they are too big to fail

>>56873130
There really isn't, these corps use their patents to intimate smaller companies all the time, that includes Japanese corps too. There's no honor there they just know the other big corps have the same bite and also the funds to actually challenge them long term if you really piss them off, whereas the small companies will be long crushed by the legal fees if they actually tried, which is why they usually just settle.

You can argue they do it more out of protection, which is more true as patent trolls can and do cost these corps millions. And being able to smite smaller companies whenever is just a nice benefit for the mega corps if they want to, but that is like not good. Certainly not honourable.

>>56873236
My point was about the ball stuff you mongoloid. Why did you even go on a rant about something never mentioned in the post.
Because I mentioned how the guy in charge of this shitty arc clone actually talked about this slop?

>>56873248
Oh I have though. You don't model like palworld models by happenstance.

>>56872918
What TPC and Nintendo are doing is shitty, petty and horrible practise, but on Pocketpair it's entirely karmically deserved considering they're basically just a game dev sweatshop shitting out lazy asset flip copies of different popular games but adding buzzword features like survival elements, base building, and crafting.

>>56873249
Just look at Little Town Hero on steam, Pokemon IS their A game.
Being a certified member of Game Freak has got to be utterly shameful to bring up at conventions and such.

>>56872918
Copyright law isn't made for digital products, it needs a rethink

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>>56873130
wait wtf i recognise this pasta

>>56873268
oldschool copyright that was made to protect the little guy, IF it ever existed at all, doesn't exist anymore, and is now just regulatory capture.

>>56873263
>A bad thing is ok because it's happening to someone I don't like
Not how it works

>>56873008
Not really, they just patented what palworld copied from pokemon to sue them. So as long as the game isn't
>using literal Pokeballs
>made in japan
>selling millions of copies and makes a contract to sell merchandise like plushies and difectly compete with them
It should be fine

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>>56873063
Showdown alone has nearly 80% of this.
Everyone is currently playing TCG pocket edition.
The leaks generated a ton of buzz with youtubers still milking it despite there being nothing of note in over a week.
We're not even getting a new mainline game this year and yet you're still wrong.

>>56873265
GF doesn't seriously really try to make anything other than Pokemon, their other games are just part of their dev training schemes they've decided to try to capitalise on, people just misunderstand this as them being desperate to make anything other than pokemon and failing.

>>56873257
>Nintendo but they are too big to fail
Another 2013 isn't impossible if they fuck up enough

>>56873277
its basically the middle ages all over again. old-style independent government does not exist.

>>56873281
Showdown is a live service game, Pokémon and Palworld are both one and done single player games with occasional updates. Not to mention Steam CCUs are not really too accurate as proven many times, so that number could be lower or higher. Apples and oranges.

>>56873276
bad things should happen to bad people

>>56873287
When will bad things happen to Nintendo?

>>56873287
So if you're doing a bad thing does that not also make you a bad person?

>>56873291
bad things are happening right now. It benefits them in the short term (this is all they care about), but in the longterm it fucks over everyone.

>>56873291
hopefully soon too

>>56873287
then I can't wait for the switch 2 and gen 10 games to be massive flops. bad things should happen to bad people after all

>>56872918
>Changing rides patent
Rockstar better watch out, Nintendo might sue before GTA 6 comes out. After all, as we know, Legends Arceus invented the vehicle changing feature

>>56873301
They will never flop because they have a loyal fanbase and defense force. Plus Pokémon is an instant moneymaker, hence why the even bothered to go after Palworld, they need to keep their golden goose safe

what the fuck even is this thread

>>56872918
Damn slippery slopes that would have been blasted to bits if other companies tried but is being handwaved here because of Nintendo is doing it

I dunno what I expected.

>>56873315
>>56873316
Cope Palcuck

Pocketpair is trash so I don't particularly want them to win. Suing off gameplay patents isn't great, but like, they haven't done this to other pokemon like games, just palworld, and palworld is beyond shit with straight up plagiarism so I'm not shedding tears on this

>>56873318
enjoy slavery

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>All Palcucks can do is seethe and dilate as their company of thieves is destroyed piece by piece
That's for blatantly copying Hollow Knight.

>>56873324
Pokemon is far from being the first monster collecting/battling game. It was just the one to blow up massively. This idea that not sueing other similar games for existing is a "mercy from nintendo for the sake of the industry" is downright absurd but i'm not even surprised anymore by anything

>>56872918
I can't believe the creatively bankrupt hacks at Nintendo stole the concept of "shooting a gun" and "using a gun to kill enemies" with Splatoon in 2015 and Metroid Prime in 2003.

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It's crazy to see the straight up inhability of some people to not treat everything llike a sport match. It has to be one side or the other. God forbid both could be doing bad things.

This seems like patent trolling. If this is the best Nintendo can do I hope it fails as it sends a terrible precedent.

Unless we want to say Nintendo can sue every game that has mounts or even fucking fall damage but will only sue the ones it feels like.

>>56873363
>it sends a terrible precedent
Only if your company is blatantly stealing from others.
Just don't steal.

>>56873370
lmao both sidings this is pathetic. who cares if pocketpair is a shitty or lazy company, patent cases are much worse and create legal precedence. that's 10000000000000000000000000x worse. they're a mega corporation. they will be okay with palworld in the market. They won't die, I promise

If Nintendo loses does it set a precedent that game design parents aren't really enforceable, because if so that's great, I'm sure most people can agree game mechanics should not fall under copyright. Copyright sucks and ideally should only limit others from copying your brand / identity (characters / designs) , not preventing others from making the same product as you.

>>56873363
>Unless we want to say Nintendo can sue every game that has mounts or even fucking fall damage but will only sue the ones it feels like.
This is quite literally how it's worked in Japan for decades. Nintendo put out a patent on touch screen joysticks 2 decades ago but didn't enforce it until another company tried putting out the same patent and charging others to use it

>>56873370
Pokémon steals from others all the time. See: Gen 7 and Youkai Watch.
Nintendo as well, see:
BotW vs every Ubisoft game.

>>56873370
>Just don't steal
>Just don't steal fall damage, or riding animals, or killing things, or player movement, or visuals on a screen you can control with a handheld device

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I hate patentfaggots like you wouldn't believe

>>56873324
>they wouldn't do this to good original games so it's okay
Anon, Nintendo is only the most bullshit legal-fuckery companies out there. If they discover they can do this, they fucking will.

>>56873382
so, the rule of law does not exist then

>>56872997
costs less for them to sue then it does to make a quality game. Financially, it just makes sense.

>corporate dictatorship is okay when its only iron-fisting games I don't like

>>56873387

Imagine being a video game fan and supporting gameplay patents on things like "fall damage"

Gamers forever their own worst enemies

>>56873386
Man, you people really don't understand patents do you.
It's not about the concept, it's about how it's done right down to the smallest details. That's why patent lawsuits are almost never done by major companies unless there's a guarantee that they'll win.

>>56873382
They shouldn't have the patent for it regardless. It doesn't matter whether they enforce it or not, it honestly makes it worse since they weaponize the patents selectively, in cases where companies threaten them. Just don't aim too high I guess

I want to die

>>56873405
>no no no you see if you have buttons on the back of a controller that's my patent
Slit those wrists faggot

>>56873402
Genuinely a lot of people think this subconsciously. These companies cultivate parasocial relationships with us

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>>56873255
>>56873286
has palworld gotten any updates? that should bring people back to the game, or at the very least kickstart discussion again

>>56873377
>who cares if pocketpair is a shitty or lazy company, patent cases are much worse and create legal precedence.
There's no precedent that'll come out of this that wasn't already set with other patent cases like that time Capcom BTFO'd Koei.
However if you let a company like pocketpair exist then the industry would rot, since unlike other studios they don't make original ideas, they just take popular ones and combine them. If I remember right their next game is just Little Witch Nobeta and Hollow Knight thrown into a blender.
>they're a mega corporation.
No, no they aren't. There are very few mega corporations by definition since most tend to stick to a single sector instead of spreading themselves thin.
>they will be okay with palworld in the market
Nintendo would be okay since they don't really adhere to industry practices and do what they want.
However the rest of the industry would just copy what pocketpair is doing if they're allowed to be.

>>56873405
Spotify on their way to sue Nintendo for putting a 280x280px play button on their music streaming app

>>56873427
I wonder the same about SV... what will bring people back to the game to create discussion about it past the games abysmal performance?

>>56872980
The monster ball patent was literally only filed after Palworld was released

>>56873453
It's from 2021, that's the renewal date

>>56873434
Answer me this

If Pocketpair was actually using stolen assets, couldn't Nintendo just sue them for that? If some rando on twitter can apparently provide sufficient proof there are stolen assets, certainly Nintendo's legal team with their massive resources could do that?

>>56873460
Why would they when a copyright dispute would have a less extreme outcome and require a lot more explanation and setup?

>>56873461
Stop moving the goalpost, why did they not sue over the actual apparent crime. Especially since you're supposed to use the legal system to raise and fight for your real dispute and not other things as a proxy.

I'd love to live in a world where both Pokemon and Palworld can do their thing, where the latter gets rightfully held to account for what they've actually done wrong (stolen assets) and made to fix it. But nah, have to go after them for tossing items with creatures in them instead. To me it's like if someone robbed a bank but got busted for jaywalking during the getaway. It's gross. Shit situation all around.

I believe that they're likely only going after Pocketpair because they perceive Palworld as a threat to their business because of how it muscles into Pokemon's brand identity.

>>56872951
Nah. I think this is an approach they made to go after the designs without them being able to hide behind shit like "parody".

>>56873007
>>56872997
Nah, you are defending a company who outright lied about their case to appeal to online retards who go bleeding heart on the "small guy".

>>56873474
essentially
>you can ONLY have pokemon, nothing else. If pokemon is shit? Too bad, fuck you. Also bow down. Actually, die. [and then they take your things because they're the king and technically you were just their slave the whole time]

>>56873120
Here's the thing, you cannot make a case about "muh precedence" when they have supported far more similar games, and hell even Yokai Watch exists (existed) and that had a far stronger reach in Japan.

>>56873490
Newsflash: they're both shit. But weaponizing patents is a threat to everyone. Palworld being creatively bankrupt only harms Pokemon

this is literally totalitarianism

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>>56873474
>I believe that they're likely only going after Pocketpair because they perceive Palworld as a threat to their business because of how it muscles into Pokemon's brand identity.
I disagree >>56873484
Note that Palworld isn't even that of a "global media" thing. Pic related was in Japan, yet they supported it and you could argue even copied it.
>>56873505
They are both shit, but there's a reason palworld is trying to appeal to western retards online with their narrative. Especially when we've seen that the "precedence" and "threat" doesn't even happen out of every monster related genre.

>>56873498
>you can ONLY have pokemon, nothing else. If pokemon is shit? Too bad, fuck you. Also bow down. Actually, die. [and then they take your things because they're the king and technically you were just their slave the whole time
This but unironically

>>56873511
>doesn't use the same type matchups
>no pokeballs, rng after beating in a fight or gacha
>based more on glorious nippon myths and memes then mutated animals
other then collecting creatures what could they even sue for?

>>56873501
>you cannot make a case about "muh precedence" when they have supported far more similar games, and hell even Yokai Watch exists (existed) and that had a far stronger reach in Japan.
And Yokai Watch was exclusive to Nintendo consoles so Nintendo still got a good cut of the success, as well as the console sales that result from it. Palworld is on every platform but Nintendo and is selling very close to Pokemon sales numbers. That's the difference.

and this is why I am dead and this is hell.
where everything you ever liked is slowly strangled to death permanently
and everything you ever hated is supercharged and made ultracommon, as much as physically possible
Still no physical pain of the highest amount logically possible though. Yet.

>>56873528
you got people arguing about "muh nintendo boogeyman wanting pokemon to be the only monster shit"
>>56873533
>And Yokai Watch was exclusive to Nintendo consoles so Nintendo still got a good cut of the success
the only cut they got is being licensed to have the game in 3DS and publishing it overseas. and there's also the other games as I said.
>and is selling very close to Pokemon sales numbers
no they aren't, especially with the massive price gap

>>56873511
>there's a reason palworld is trying to appeal to western retards online with their narrative
Yes because wouldn't you try and get every edge when you're facing a brand that has a fucking army of emotionally attached fans who'll rip you to shreds?

>>56873178
I played it. Game is fun till like level 30 (this is about when you run out of common pals to capture extras of for bonus experience). Then the progression system they built into the game flat lines and it goes from giving a similar feeling of satisfaction you would get from Legends Arceus to feeling like daily grind in a Korean MMO. Even though you have a lot more to unlock at that point, everything grinds to a hault and it made me lose motivation to keep playing.
Also there's barely a world or significant world building, so there's not much to talk about there. It feels like it was at one point designed for randomly generated world environments but they probably had even worse instances of poor progression scaling before that, so they locked it to one dull world.
Point is, yeah. I had some fun with it but there's pretty much nothing to talk about besides coomer shit after like two weekends of play.

>>56873536
Are you ok anon?

>>56873556
...nigga, ZUN of all people laughed at them. this isn't even about brand loyalty - jap indies are shitting on pocketpair for calling themselves as indies. if anything this is just a mask-off moment for those social media-addled twitter trannies.

>>56873471
You are literally asking why a guy who shot someone with a shotgun didn't also go ahead and stab them.
The idea that it was about Nintendo going on a holy crusade is your schizophrenia, people always just thought it was the "they'll sue" part; not vigilantism like you are implying. It was an expectation for them to act like a company; which they did.
People just missed a different elephant in the room.

>>56873545
Every platform holder gets around 30% from the sale of a 3rd party game on their platform. Including Nintendo. So it's in their interest to sell and get every type of game on their platform. And if you're not on their platform then you're essentially a threat to it's existence since you need to justify your platform existing. Especially if you're successful.
>no they aren't, especially with the massive price gap
Last I checked it sold 15 million, which is within spitting distance of BDSP and Legends Arceus (which also sold around 15 million I believe). And that was earlier this year.

>>56873601
>if you're not on their platform then you're essentially a threat to it's existence
"if you're not with me, you're against me", unironically

>>56873601
did you miss the whole price gap? also that 15 million was talking about users/players, which includes passes
as for the platform holder, like I said it's the license to sell (and Nintendo did publish them so they have a stake on it), but regardless it's still seen as competition. YW was a media franchise that can push Pokemon especially when it already managed to shape toys done by takara and bandai.

>>56873448
i'll take that as a no

>>56873209
Nobody talks about Pokemon games here, just what children and animals they want to fuck.

why people use 4chan as a metric on "game success" or "relevance", I have no idea
it would make you think nickelodeon smash was a smash hit

>>56873578
>analogy that misses the point
Ok so you have no argument. In the court of law, all that matters is the topic at hand, not your fanboy assumptions and other tertiary contextual informariom that guides your idea of who is "right" and who is "wrong". Nintendo took them to court over the patents. Not the designs, which is the exact thing everyone was making a stink over. Go back and read threads from earlier this year. Whenever someone wanted Nintendo to sue, it was over the designs, not just for the sake of it.

And if Pocketpair did indeed steal from Pokémon then Nintendo would've sued over it. But they didn't. So your argument is moot and fanboy bullshit.

Regardless I hope they both eat shit.

>>56873645
i haven't seen discussion of it ANYWHERE
hell, i see more palworld posts here than on the rest of the internet combined

>>56873662
meanwhile in real life people are talking about booster pack simulator

>actually the patent is from 2021
>meanwhile craftopia release 2020

https://youtu.be/u1Ax27X1Jss?si=FaH_iI0foNYyNZW7

>>56873660
>ir did indeed steal from Pokémon then Nintendo would've sued over it
You say without any backing yourself. Why would they do a redundant lawsuit?
This isn't for the sake of it now is it? Also while I suppose its obvious considering where you are, you sure are autistic aren't you; can't pick up on basic implications.

>Steal from Minecraft
>Steal from Zelda
>Steal from ARK
>Steal from Pokémon
>Steal from Princess Connect
>Steal from Kingdom Hearts
>Steal from Little Witch Moneta
>Steal from Hollow Knight
>Proudly announce to the world your company specializes in stealing from others and mashing things together without a care in the world
>Get sued for being thieves

>>56873682
don't forget
>we're totally a small indie company guys!

>>56873674
No balls.

>>56873617
Price gap is irrelevant since the game is early access and not complete, so pricing isn't set in stone just yet. That 15 million is also from February and was Steam sales only. The newest figure I can find online is 19 million, including Xbox and Game Pass figures.

It doesn't matter since Nintendo is getting a cut from this "competition" regardless. They win since both Yokai Watch and Pokémon are promoting and popularizing their platform. They get money from both. They win either way. Yokai Watch and other monster collectors that have been on their platform were never a threat to them. Either because of low sales or the fact that they're not actively working against their console's prevalence in the market.

>>56873576
Indie devs are absolute faggots celebrating blatant patent trolling? Yeah, that checks out.

>>56873675
I'm not autistic anon, but law very much is. If Nintendo couldn't prove that Pocketpair stole from Pokémon, then it didn't happen. And they couldn't, so they didn't steal anything. Innocent until proven guilty.

>Americans wake up
>Open discussion and debate rapidly drops off
>Corporate bootlicking and emotionally charged arguments of all varieties and bait rapidly increases
Every. Fucking. Time.

>>56872918
Fuck Nintendo, bunch of petty fuckers

>>56873690
>Price gap is irrelevant since the game is early access and not complete, so pricing isn't set in stone just yet
It is though - it's how you approach profit and the customers. And even then we know games aren't even the focus of Pokemon in spite of that.
And your point even goes against that. This isn't the first IP that Nintendo and "third party not available in Nintendo" clashed, yet Nintendo didn't do anything about them. It's clear there's a line that Pocketpair stepped, that even japs are calling them out on.
>>56873699
yeah you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

>>56873707
>yeah you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Not an argument.
Indie worshippers get the rope. They're no better than corporate demons like Nintendo.

>>56873705
I used to believe it was a meme but it's genuinely true, I've seen it happen too many times. Ameritards are truly brain-dead bots who see everything as black and white (pun not intended). All the bait pro-DEI/anti-DEI retardation threads spawn when they're awake too.

>>56873714
so what you're saying is that troons are right, because they're the one being doublefaced (heh) right now

>>56873723
They'll go back to sucking off Nintendo the nanosecond they reveal the Switch 2 so it doesn't matter what they say.

>>56873725
>he really doesn't realize the pirate nintendofags are trannies in xitter

>>56873690
>paying for unfinished games
shiggy

>>56873707
Price gap is irrelevant since the game isn't technically finished yet anon. The only people who care about the profit are shareholders and emotionally attached fans. For a game that burst onto the market incomplete to sell that number of units was clearly alarming to Nintendo. It's literally that simple. They didn't go and work out the amount of profit to compare and contrast.
>This isn't the first IP that Nintendo and "third party not available in Nintendo" clashed, yet Nintendo didn't do anything about them.
what?
>It's clear there's a line that Pocketpair stepped
Yeah, it's called being a threat to your golden goose, and consequently being a threat to your main product and seller, your consoles.
>that even japs are calling them out on.
The Japanese are extreme corporate worshippers on the level of us Americans.

>>56873714
Dangerously based.

>>56873744
If you're gonna say it, say it how it fucking is: N has absolute power and wields the iron fist, and anyone in their way will be unpersoned.
Anyone who doesn't say it how it is is a faggot.

>>56873744
>The only people who care about the profit are shareholders and emotionally attached fans.
...anon you literally open with "it beats pokemon in sales" to which I indicate that a) they are user numbers and b) without the context of pricing which affects sales. there's a reason "big number = good" isn't necessarily true. see Joker 2 vs The Wild Robot
>Yeah, it's called being a threat to your golden goose, and consequently being a threat to your main product and seller, your consoles.
did you literally just say palworld is a threat to their consoles. actually now that I think about it, that explains the lofty reasoning
>The Japanese are extreme corporate worshippers on the level of us Americans.
Ah the "they're not my kind anymore because they don't agree with me" line. glad we sorted that out. Clearly not people who saw pocketpair for what they are and have the gall to say it.

>>56873734
Yep. That's exactly why I didn't buy Splatoon, Splatoon 2, Splatoon 3, Animal Crossing New Horizons, Mario Strikers Battle League, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Mario Tennis Aces, Mario Golf Super Rush, Wii Sports Club, Nintendo Switch Sports, Pokémon Sword and Shield, Pokémon Scarlet and Violet.

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>>56872918
Anyone actually read it and checked these patents?
It's even more retarded than what people expected. It's just in-depth Switch-related technical stuff behind aiming, collision and placement of characters on the map. If Nintendo will win then 99,9% of games ever made infringes on these patents.
Nintendo must hire new lawyers because current ones are pants-on-head retarded. Tendies please kill yourself if you believe that Nintendo is in right.

>>56873772
>If Nintendo will win then
its a coup d'etat

>>56873755
It doesn't beat Pokémon in sales, it beats SOME Pokémon games in sales, mainly Crystal, Emerald, Black and White 2. It may have beaten Legends Arceus and BDSP but we don't know for sure since Pokémon numbers are constantly increasing.

But a) we know that 15 million are sales and not users. So you're wrong there
b) we know pricing since you can see how much the game costs

My point is that profit is irrelevant because of the potential that's been unlocked. Nintendo think ok, so an incomplete, unfinished unreal asset flip game got 15+ million actual sales at however many dollars. What happens when Palworld 2 comes out at a higher price but actually better. It's about extrapolating the future and threats that can arise. Not autisticaly analysing the present, which you don't seem to be getting into your thick skull. There's more factors at play here for Nintendo, and from a business perspective they're smart to try and kill it quickly anyway, regardless of whether they grow in the future or just fade away into irrelevancy

>did you literally just say palworld is a threat to their consoles.
Yes indirectly, because Pokémon is a huge HUGE system seller, and anything that people compare Pokémon to unfavorably indirectly affects their platform and it's success. Pretty simple to understand, no?

>Ah the "they're not my kind anymore because they don't agree with me" line.
Ok actually I may be the retard since there's no way this is not bait. Well done anon, well done

>>56873796
Fuck you and your French.
Acknowledge the problem of Nintendo having leverage to kill pretty much all 3D games according just to these 3 patents. Fuck Palworld, it's kusoge not worth talking about. But this case just shows the actual problem with gaming.

>>56872918

The funniest possible result would be Ubisoft clawing their way out of debt by roundhouse kicking Breath of the Wild with a "climbable monument that grants the player a piece of a map" lawsuit

If they didn't patent that Ubisoft passed on a golden opportunity

Why didn't they just sue the frauds over ripoff designs instead of making this literally every dev's concern?

>>56873797
>extrapolating the future and threats that can arise
but that's not really what the whole point of sales numbers are
and anon pokemon isn't even the biggest seller in switch and even in nintendo's platforms.

>>56872918
Poopworld is just open world survival slop though

>>56873817
Apparently it works even if the patent it now. So uh, hurry up Frenchiem

>>56873815
good thing at the many, many times they could have done it, they didn't. and only at pocketpair
>>56873826
it is, this is how they do it without letting pp hide behind parody

>>56873832
The patent is from 2021 they just updated it in 2024 anon

>>56873834
Pretty sure they forfeited the parody excuse when they started making merch of the rip-off monsters.

>>56873826
Because copyright cases are a fucking mess and half and ultimately they could not really find anything 100% solid. The OMFG STOLEN MODELS were all lies and few characters looking bit similar is not enough... so they pulled out of their ass patents which existence is absolutely the worst for gaming as a whole. If court will agree with Nintendo then they have tools to bully and kill practically everyone in gaming industry.

>>56873847
people keep saying lies but found no proof
>but but enlargement
if I enlarge a pikachu sprite it's still a ripoff

>>56873834
It should not be up to Nintendo in their infinite wisdom to decide when or when not to abuse patent law to shut down video games they don't like. They could just seek to get some royalties or something but no, the world (or Japan I guess) should have fewer games.

There's no need to go to bat for this litigious bully here after all the shit they've pulled over the years.

Its totally possible to criticize pocketpair for being dogshit while acknowledging that what Nintendo is doing here is ridiculous. Imagine being a gamer and supporting a patent over fall damage. the thing that is in every open world game ever

>>56873855
It's not even enlargement.
The faggot that was spreading screenshots showing proof of stolen models shat himself and cried about how they fabricated it because "muh animal abuse". There's nothing.

>>56873859
but it isn't up to nintendo at all. they will not suddenly cancel monster games. so many games existed that are not even in their console. why is suddenly this being the "deciding case" i have no idea.

>>56873870
This retard doesn't understand the concept of give them an inch and they take a mile

>>56873874
and you little zoomie didn't realize that inches have been given multiple times and they didn't budge
honestly feels like that sort of thing when the only perspective is this case

>>56873427
There one a big update in July. They announced it like four months in advance, so realistically there aren't any updates before spring of next year. But also, it's not a live service game so having active players doesn't really mean anything. If you bought the game once, they got what they needed out of you.

>>56873557
You know you can tweak your exp gains in the Options menu, right?

>>56873891
The only inches that have been given multiple times is Nintendo's 3 incher right up your asshole. And ah yes thats the best place for the industry to be! You can make games but make sure you spend copious amounts of your finite time as a small developer to check you're not infringing on gameplay patents of a tree from 1997. Lest you blow up and piss off Nintendo for being successful without them benefiting from it. That's really where I would like this industry to go as a consumer, especially one that likes the best deal possible for themselves.

>>56873927
holy BTFO

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>>56873905
it’s not live service but it is presented as early access, which means it’s not finished. which means they should be busting their asses to finish the game as soon as possible, otherwise they’re just using early access as a shield from criticism for a game they have no intention of improving. and having one update in the 10 months since its launch does not seem to me like they are going to finish the game in any reasonable amount of time.

>>56873891
The fact that these patents exist means that any Japanese game devs must either a) nerf themselves to stay ouf of Nintendo's radar b) suck off supa Mehrio to get permissions for using these basic ass mechanics. If you don't see issues with it then maybe grab a knife and stab yourself 30 times for good of humanity, fucking tendie drone.

I'm not suprirsed that Korea and fucking China are starting to rise. Their direct competition grew literal cancer and people are defending that cancer like it's some holy artifact.

>>56873936
>>56873927
>actual company-hating proper-commies
god fucking bless you both

>>56873935
They didn't even finish their previous game.

>>56873948
exactly. the whole thing is a grift.

>>56873942
I'm not a commy. But the fact is that Chinese and South Korean gaming industry is developing while Japan is stagnating and currently is handicapped by their largest hog. It's the reality.

>>56873927
>spews shit on something not happening but in his fantasies
>>56873936
they literally have these patents so non-gaming shit won't steal their shit. they were made with an idea that they won't step on each other's toes. there's a reason why in spite of "infringing", they don't give a shit with each other
>>56873957
>developing
>even more gacha

>>56873956
>grift
oh no you'll trigger anons here

Nintendo is dogshit

>>56873964
"Selective enforcement is good, actually"

The retardation levels are off the fucking charts. Please read a book, I'm begging you.

>>56873975
>zoomer projects something that wasn't mentioned
yeah

>>56873964
> "I-It's okay for Nintendo to bully devs they don't like. If Nintendo does not like you you're a bad guy by default okaaay?"

You sound like a cock-slurping fag.

Is this where /v/tards post after being shooed off in that board?

>>56873982
>they literally have these patents so non-gaming shit won't steal their shit. they were made with an idea that they won't step on each other's toes. there's a reason why in spite of "infringing", they don't give a shit with each other
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

>>56873994
>>56873982

>>56873997
yeah it's called pocketpair not relying on westoids to champion them with their feefees because japs knew they were doing bullshit.

The thing is Nintendo doesn't have to enforce their patents to do damage to the industry. Just the big news splash this court case has made will likely dissuade some devs from using gameplay systems that could potentially fall under gameplay systems in Nintendo's games. Like the Nemesis system patent seems to have done.

It's so funny to see all the Nintendo in here going to bat for Nintendo abusing patents.
Switch is my main console and I don't own or have played Palworld, but Nintendo should absolutely loose this case.

why is no one bringing up pocketpair lied about the patent years

>>56874014
>t. paltroon

>>56873569
no I'm not.

>>56874017
They can't lie to a judge anyway. Won't matter.

>>56874017
They're just painting a narrative to try and desperately counter the army of Nintendo shills that will rip them a new one

>>56873576
Touhou is dead to me if this is the way its creator treats successful Indie devs

>>56874017
Who cares? Nintendo is the biggest liar here

>>56873460
Whether copied or not ultimately doesn't matter since they've chopped up assets into new things, unless you have an actual eye witness account then there's not much you can actually do to prove they copied assets.
Law doesn't work like it does in cartoons anon, rolling out 10 high priced lawyers doesn't mean a thing if you can't prove anything.

And before you try, this isn't about stolen assets, this is about patents.

>>56873505
>Palworld being creatively bankrupt only harms Pokemon
It harms the industry more than any kind of patent case, remember this is the same way AAA cinematic games came to be if it isn't stopped now then the industry is going to become more of a shithole than it already is.

>>56874014
>Just the big news splash this court case has made will likely dissuade some devs from using gameplay systems that could potentially fall under gameplay systems in Nintendo's games.
Good, that means they can implement the same concept in a new and possibly more efficient way since that's how patents work.

>>56872995
>that's just ridiculously ballsy to claim you """invented"""
Welcome to patent trolling.
You can patent breathing, and as long as you can find a judge retarded (or corruptible) enough, it will be enforced.

>>56873008
Monster catcher might replace the "throw one object" with "throw two object", and that's it.

>>56872951
It's an even ballsier move to claim that you're a small indie company after making deals with two of the biggest players in the industry on top of getting your corporate shills to redefine what a patent is.

>>56874722
No, they don't even have to change that, not that many tamers used that anyway. This is a patent, remember that. Patents cover the function and not the concept so, even if you could patent bodily functions, you couldn't patent breathing but the specific way the alveoli in the lungs absorb oxygen and release carbon dioxide and someone else could patent that method via a machine and it would still be the same concept.

Basically this anon >>56874709 is the dumbest motherfucker in the thread.

>>56872980
>I think they have a legit case with the "monster ball capture" patent
They don't. It's not actually the same as PLA's system, for instance there's no lock on mechanic. Even if it DID happen to be the same, Palworld recycled their catching system from their Craftopia game, a game that came out before PLA was even announced.

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>>56874780
>Palworld recycled their catching system from their Craftopia game, a game that came out before PLA was even announced.
That's the fun part, had they actually done that Nintendo wouldn't be able to do that since craftopia works with no aiming and sort of auto homes in when you throw the object.
Palworld on the other hand works almost exactly the same as PLA's three input process.

>>56873490
What did they lie about? I haven't kept up on the whole thing.

>>56874795
I'd watch a Palworld anime

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>>56873865
you mean the one guy who upscaled the cat model in blender to look the same size as luxray

and none of the other instances where there was either extremely similar poly counts or heavy "inspiration" from Pokemon

>>56873490
>Nah, you are defending a company who [Schizophrenia]

>Palworld deserves to win because [HEADCANON FOLLOWED BY SEETHE]

>megacorporation deserves to win because [beaten pavlovian dog philosophy]

>>56874913
PocketPair stopped being indie when they partnered with Sony and started pushing Palworld into every moneymaking avenue possible. They're a megacorp now, too.

>>56874814
>almost exactly the same
Being pretty similar isn't patent violation. Lots of things are pretty similar to random patents. It needs to be the same thing, like as if they looked at the patent and then meticulously replicated everything within it. Palworld mostly just recycled their Craftopia mechanics.

>>56874913
parroting is an admission of defeat

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>Patent JP7528390B2
> A63F13/56 - Computing the motion of game characters with respect to other game characters, game objects or elements of the game scene, e.g. for simulating the behaviour of a group of virtual soldiers or for path finding

>Methods for moving automatically non-player characters in the game scene according to the game progress. For example, virtual soldiers follow their leaders in a strategy games or virtual soccer characters are positioned to receive or intercept the ball.

There's no fucking shot this flies.
NPC followers is the most basic shit.
It's one of the first things that game devs can learn on Unreal Engine.

>>56874731
>redefine what a patent is
Patents cover mechanics, copyright covers art.
Again, if it was over art, it would be COPYRIGHT infringement, they are two different legal fields.

Today, we claim Pal world. Tomorrow, Yokai Watch. The next day, Digimon.

>>56873271
I saw it on fucking twitter once of all places.

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>>56875346
Once again, not how Japan's patent system work. If something has been used forever but no one patented it, the patent is still valid. First to file, not first to invent.
Also once again, Japanese judges don't work around proofs and evidences, they work around which decision would spare the most shame on the country/authority/etc. A lot of them have publicly admitted having no problem sending absolute innocents to jail because not doing that would bring shame on the cops who did the investigation. Take a wild guess which side this mindset will favorite between one of the most loved & powerful jap company and some random fucko who allied with the americans at Sony.

>>56875352
Exactly the point. Palworld shills acting as if it's copyright case in point >>56875346
He doesn't understand that it's HOW it's being done not what what it is.

>>56875341
>Being pretty similar isn't patent violation.
It is when the only real difference is the visual representation which of course doesn't matter

>>56875353
Yokai Watch and Digimon didn't infringe any patents.

>>56875341
Then it will be dismissed by court. Nintendo is claiming it is the same thing.

>>56873705
>>56873721
nice same fagging bro.

Gamefreak is pure evil

>>56873282
>dev training schemes
They should do more of these then.
Significantly more of them.
Like, constantly, nonstop

>>56873370
Pokemon stole everything it is from other games around it. There's not an original bone in Pokemon's body, except maybe the wealthy professor fucking your mom during the game

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>>56872918
This comes how many months after release, the courtcase doesn't hold any water

>>56875901
I love Dragon Quest, but while both series draw from the same source, they don't really feel similar at all.

>>56873175
>Nintendo doesn't sue palworld for stealing designs
>If Nintendo loses this gives permission for people to steal designs
This guy doesn't know what he is talking about

>>56872939
Wasn't it leaked that the next generation will be for the switch 2?

>>56873405
>YOU MUSTN'T STEAL THE BALL SHAPED CAPTURE DEVICE OR FALL DAMAGE!
If nintendo had legs to stand on they would be suing for design theft, which they aren't.

>>56876118
"design" doesn't just mean art you fucking idiot.

>>56876165
Anon, a patent case is generally harder to win than a copyright one. If Nintendo, or any big company for that matter, they have a solid case.

>>56875343
Using your own shit logic against you to expose how it's flawed is fair game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8apzrwv75i0

Watched this video the other day and it made a lot of sense in the context of Palworld. The tldr is that the deal that Palworld's studio made with Sony flew too close to the sun and they're looking to shut them down. They could've just ripped off pokemon like every other indie monster catcher but their eyes got too big for their stomach.

>>56875416
I didn't say anything about it being copyright.
If you want to know what I think, it's a scumfuck move.

Honestly, I'd be for it if it was like a specific line of code that was patented. Sort of like how genetically modified crops can be patented.
But, like, there's a wide variety of ways to go about getting the same results with coding.
It's not patenting one method to code one function. It's patenting theoretically EVERY code for one function.

It's not even something novel, like Final Fantasy ATB.

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>>56873386
Don't also forget about "inertia affecting objects placed on a moving vechicle" and "interactive items/scenery producing a keypress prompt once the player is close enough to interact with them"

>>56877719
>if you make a successful monster catching game, you're not allowed to take money from Sony to put it on the No Games Machine or else Nintendo will "feel threatened" by Sony's desperate attempt at maintaining relevancy, because muh corpo ethics and petty grudges spanning multiple decades
Sony's highest grossing media franchises that they have a hand in the cookie jar of are the MCU and Spider-Man which are both shared with Walt Disney, equaling to around $60b.
Maybe I'm stupid, but what amount of Palworld merch/side products would have to actually catch on and then also successfully sell to justify Nintendo going this way?
Do they think Pokemon's market share is that easy to cannibalize?
Or is it just "we're not even going to give you the chance of this" because they're salty over the past?

>>56877793
>I'd be for it if it was like a specific line of code that was patented.
Anon, not only would that fall under copyright, but that's essentially what's happening. You can't patent a whole concept, you can only patent how you would carry that out.
Let's take the object throwing one for example, in the patent it's basically described as a three input method where:
Input 1 causes you to enter an aiming mode
Input 2 adjusts your aim
Input 3 throws the object
Now this is a major simplification of one part but if anyone made a different method like say:
Input 1 throws the object
Input 2 allows you to remotely control the object in the air
Input 3 is the button you press to activate capture mode on contact with an obtainable object or character

Then you would still have a throwing mechanic that's distinct.
Do you get it?

>>56876458
That or they're planning on suing for Patent Infringement simply to get the game off the market with an injunction. Then plan on following it up with a copyright suit to get the money made off the game.

>>56876028
Retards that repost that image never played dragon quest

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Look at those patent registration dates and explain to me why Ninty/TPCi haven't been laughed-out of the court yet.
Yes I already know that the Yamauchi family was working for the Yakuza, so please don't bring that up as somekind of a huge revelation.

>>56873996
This is where redditfags and /u/anons go when they are bored.

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>>56878607
>why Ninty/TPCi haven't been laughed-out of the court yet.
Because it's Nintendo.
In Japan.
Against an unpopular minor company.
They could take a shit in front of the judge and say that's their patent, and would still win the trial.
You guys really need to understand japs' concept of justice has absolutely nothing in common with whites's.

>>56878639
This is honestly the crux of it. Japan's legal system is so fucked that Ace Attorney's entire premise was based upon how Prosecutors are gods in the legal system.

>>56878607
>>56878639
If you look at the real dates they were filed in 2021 and approved in 2023 with the 2024 ones being extensions of the nip ones to western regions.
Basically you're using IGN who has a known hatred for Nintendo.

>>56878639
>You guys really need to understand japs' concept of justice has absolutely nothing in common with whites's.
White law being who can bullshit the most.

>>56878607
>Look at those patent registration dates and explain to me why Ninty/TPCi haven't been laughed-out of the court yet.

>Application JP2021208275A events
>2021-12-22
>Priority to JP2021208275A
>2021-12-22 Application filed by Nintendo Co Ltd, Pokemon Co
>2022-09-21 Priority to US17/949,666
>2023-07-04 Publication of JP2023092953A
>2023-12-04 Priority to JP2023204842A
>2023-12-14 Application granted

Because they filed it years ago.

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>>56878692
You are thinking of american law, which is mostly designed by a certain middle-east group.

>>56878703
I'm not American so no.
That also doesn't mean I'm not white by the way.

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oh man, I cant wait for Nexomon, Temtem, and the various other games to go to the shitter for this. sure you fags can continue to argue about how "this will be only weaponized against line steppers" but that is fucking naive. also for the morally outraged, see >>56875901
and kindly shut the fuck up already. Palworld is a subpar Ark Survival evolved clone with Pokemon elements at best, and their provable fucking lifts are a Rabbit and a fucking luxray. it gained a lot of traction because it rode the waves of two different genres, while doing nothing to actually improve or work on either strength, including its shitty base building. I would just like to see Nexomon 3 launch without having to be afraid of even being able to fucking play it.

>>56875346
>Guild Wars 1 shill is a retard who doesn't understand things they talk about
Many such cases.

>>56878823
>I cant wait for Nexomon, Temtem, and the various other games to go to the shitter for this.
Genuinely same
Those games suck dick and their only claim to fame is being a monster catcher that isn’t Pokémon
If this kills them off then we’ll be better off for it

>>56878823
>is a subpar clone
>while doing nothing to actually improve
Fair criticism except it's Pokémon on the other side: a franchise that hasn't made a single noteworthy improvement since 1996 and is endlessly cloning the single recipe they ever managed to not fuck up.
The bar to be more innovative and meriting than them is so low you would have to move to Pechengsky District to get under it.

>>56873457
>>56873453
>>56872980
crafttopia had the capture system on 2020

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>>56878866
anon I have the feeling this is bait but I will bite out of morbid curiosity and endless boredom - why? I won't defend them in being the best or brightest games but honestly in design and concept more mainline shit like Yokai watch wasn't that great either and I am not singing praises of it's downfall. hell, I can't say I am a lover of some of them either, I hate Temtem more then Palworld and Pokemon combined but it being snuffed won't make Monster Taming/collector games get magically better, especially not pokemon. I just have an itch for a particular niche of games that cant just be scratched by repeatedly playing the same line of games, even with nuzlocke runs and Randomizers.
>>56878872
never said pokemon has not, hence why I also pointed to the dragon quest post the other anon made. Palworld isnt special, but it and other smaller games are at least giving me something else to this genre since what little else I have are either DS exclusive games, old ass games like SMT, or fucking digimon... which is also old as fuck but I just don't vibe with the design and naming process.

>>56878823
>I cant wait for Nexomon, Temtem, and the various other games to go to the shitter for this.
You are genuinely retarded. Seek your disability bucks.

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>>56878823
palworld gained a lot of traction because pokemon has had a string of disappointing titles since it went 3D
it marketed itself as a replacement for pokemon, while stealing a bunch of pokemon's designs, i'm surprised it took them this long to get sued. this isn't like romhacks, which are passion projects made by people who are fans of the source material and distributed for free. this isn't like emulation, where people love your game so much they want to keep playing it after it stops being sold. this is a direct competitor trying to replace pokemon with an unfinished game loaded with stolen ideas and assets.
am i supposed to feel sorry for pocketpair? am i supposed to hate nintendo for bullying the little indie company? fuck these guys, they deserve all the shit they get.

>>56878937
>thinking this won't snowball because these are smaller games
>fan games with smaller reps have died for less
anon, what fucking reasoning do you have to ride on to tell me this?
>muh japanese honor that can be discarded when convenient
>muh special case needed drastic measures, which is just a way of opening the door for future abuse
nothing good comes out of this, and even in cases of this being a Japanese and not western court case it can still drastically alter the landscape given how big of a namebrand Nintendo is. I would love to just be retarded here and laugh it off, but I am geniunely scared of this and you are literally just here to watch palworld burn, but any means necessary isnt the Route for a game that basically had its run already.

>>56878957
if pokemon bothered you that much you would have been in the Temtem camp sooner and burned by those devs and their "MMO lite" nonsense when it was touted to be the "next pokemon killer". I don't know where you got "feel bad for pocket pair" (although funny, your dumbass is talking about replacing a unfinished game with another unfinished game). I am worried for other games under the same Genre that I actually enjoyed playing, I even named the big one, Nexomon 3, which will be 3D. I made my point of asset rips because you fags will use that to justify crossing lines like patent trolling which can and will destroy the genre, and which prior posters in this thread assumed won't fuck it up, because big N has gone after even small fan projects for less. Pokemon isn't fucking original, especially with a lot of its designs and frankly I don't give a fuck. if I gave that much of a fuck about originality I would personally ask every fakemon artist to be shamed for killing off shit like interesting evo lines or Mega Flygon as that gives Gamefreak the excuse to fucking dodge making a concept most people would wanna see just because Spergy Suzie or Autistic Austin wanted to doodle the 50,000th iteration of a Fairy/Dragon dunsparce evolution. fuck no I am not telling you to feel bad for pocket pair, I am saying don't cheer for nintendo, this hurts the genre

>>56878995
nobody gave a shit about temtem

>>56879018
>nobody gave a shit about temtem
>was one of the larger talking points of our already niche genre, and only got overshadowed when palworld came into the picture and was shilled by the same news circles as the people who shilled temtem

>>56879025
Yes. It was talked about *in our niche* which is like 0.0001% of the population.
Palworld was talked about by every single old pokémania millennial, which is already an audience a few hundred times larger than the people who heard about them/them.

>>56874795
Better than the Ashime

>>56879045
yeah, because the SURVIVAL CRAFTING GUNPLAY advertisement and edgy humor was the catch, it took two genres, mashed them together lazily and dabbed a bit of "parody" excused designs which got people talking more. again, if it was just to "spite pokemon" Temtem would have been talked up more.

>>56878494
Except that Japan is much much more unforgiving with copyright compared to the rest of the world, so they would absolutely 100% be doing a copyright suit if that was viable. Since that could even get the palworld developers thrown in jail for a decade.

>>56878823
>I cant wait for Nexomon, Temtem, and the various other games to go to the shitter for this
They won't. Palworld is getting shit because they took unique implementations of mechanics. Those games didn't.

>>56878958
>>thinking this won't snowball because these are smaller games
Yeah because it snowballed all the other times right?
>it can still drastically alter the landscape given how big of a namebrand Nintendo is.
So is Capcom but I bet you didn't know they outright won a patent case in 2019 and nothing happened.
>but I am geniunely scared of this
As you said, you're retarded and because you're retarded you're angry about this purely because it's nintendo and not for any actual rational reason.

I really don't understand Nintendo's position.
According to the community, it's either Nintendo acting ouf of jealousy, or genuinely trying to defend their property from Pocketpair.
But anyway you look at it, it's weird that they sue for patents that are hard to defend as far as we know, especially in Japan where those guys keep patenting everything every year for the past twenty years, when they could easily prove that PP did steal assets for Craftopia. And probably ask for more, but instead they went for the harder battle they will lose.
Why is big N retarded?

>>56879448
>when they could easily prove that PP did steal assets for Craftopia.
And you're calling Nintendo retarded.

>>56879448
Nintendo only really takes on the role of plaintiff if they can stop cancer from spreading in the industry.

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>>56879448
Dunno. Maybe because Craftopia was released so long ago, but then they wouldn't have won their case for garry's mod workshop...

>>56879448
Is recoloring mobs enough to not get sued?

>>56879448
Even more hilarious: they actually made OG enemies in their game, but decided to copy/paste 70% of the mobs from BotW, not even change the animations, and called it a day.

>>56879457
How is it hard to prove it? They are literally the same characters.

>>56873448
>Abysmal performance
They don't need to perform when they have a guaranteed 20m purchases locked down per instalment.

Anon who posted >>56879457
Forgive me. I read it as Palworld and not Craftopia. I am the actual retard, oops lol

>>56872918
Lmao, Nintendo is going to lose this case, HARD, if it happens in the US.

>>56879497
It's not. Even if it was then they would still probably win it since it was filed in 2021 and approved in 2023 in Japan and 2023 in America.
Also Nintendo regularly go up against patent trolls in America as the defendant and always win. America is basically their home turf on these matrers

>>56879025
People talked about temtem. It wasn't until people actually played it that it was revealed that it was going to suffer from its own "success"
They had something good with the double battles and co-o, and I could even go as far as saying that the breeding is passable, if a bit stale and annoying because of the limited amount of times you can breed a tem.
But the problems started bleeding through the cracks when they started trying to cater to the compfags by doing balancing of tems, and not just with their stats, but with their learnsets and breedable moves. Vulffy was probably the easiest one to pick out, since it had a strong statline as a nuke, and then it could get a breedable, powerful ground move, since it only learns shitty ground moves itself but had powerful nature moves. So, to balance it, they stripped away the breedable move and told people who were playing the game casually to pound sand.

>>56878843
>Guild Wars
Oh shit! That's the name of the game!
It's been a hot minute since I played that last time!

>>56879511
For these patents specifically, they don't hold any water. They're too vague and not unique enough.

>>56872939
Nintendo is going to antagonize the entire world. It was one thing when they obliterated some unknown noname Japanese studio using patent trolling, it's another thing when they did it against popular international game. Japan is USA's lackey, so if the big american studios wake up and start lobbying, Nintendo is pretty much screwed.

>>56879552
>They're too vague and not unique enough.
They're lengthy documents explaining every minute detail of the mechanic, it's definitely not vague by any stretch of the imagination. Remember, the abstract is just a summary of the patent, not the patent itself.
As for being unique, you'd be hard pressed to find another game that does it the exact same way outside of Palworld. Most examples tend to just be an object being thrown like a grenade in an FPS but that of course is a single input action.

So yes, unless you end up with a particularly idiotic judge, they very much hold water.

>>56879604
>so if the big american studios wake up and start lobbying,
They don't have anything to lobby over, this isn't some union dispute. Whining and crying won't change anything except for probably resulting in an automatic win for Nintendo if they bring up that the judge was threatened into a verdict.
Also you're overstating Palworld's popularity, especially now when no one gives a shit much less western studios who were shamed by it. In fact, it would be more likely that the Ark devs would sue PocketPair for infringement if they own patents themselves.

>>56879711
Patent trolling is dangerous. There's some unspoken rules about it among the big players. Nintendo couldn't read the room and broke them, so now there's going to be problems.

>>56879725
>Patent trolling is dangerous
Yeah, but this isn't a case of patent trolling. Part of what makes a patent troll is the frequency of patent lawsuits, the last one Nintendo was in is nearing 10 years now and they've only done it about twice before now? Something like that.
Clearly not trolling by any stretch of the imagination.
>There's some unspoken rules about it among the big players.
Not really, like another anon said Koei and Capcom were in one not too long ago with Capcom winning. This is a much smaller and obvious dispute that no one should care about but do because it's nintendo, that's it.
It's not about Palworld being popular or being a small indie company, people just want to see Nintendo fail because they don't tend to kowtow to the masses as you can see with journalists.
>Nintendo couldn't read the room and broke them
They read the room correctly, prior to palworld a lot of devs and players had a massive issue with them just shamelessly copying from others and even the CEO admitting to that not to mention many people were shafted because they would just release early access games and never finish them. Just look at craftopia, it's been out for four years and it's still in early access, then you have their new game which is just Little Witch Nobeta X Hollow Knight. It's shameless.
In other words, Nintendo, being the first major company they copied, took the opportunity everyone was waiting for, the only people mad about this are people who legitimately know nothing about pocketpair.
>so now there's going to be problems.
If Nintendo wins, absolutely nothing will happen.
If they lose then every dev in the industry will know where the line is on patent infringement and will follow pocketpair's lead of just churning out lazy copies of popular titles

>>56878699
But it says 2024.

>>56879788
You're a deluded fanboy. Saints Row is GTA clone, The Talos Principle is a Portal clone, the entire genres started as clones. Your "lazy clone apocalypse" scenario is nonsense.

>>56880021
>You're a deluded fanboy
Definitely not for pokemon, my tamer love lies elsewhere anyway
>Saints Row is GTA clone, The Talos Principle is a Portal clone
Being similar and being a copy are two completely different things especially when your core mechanics work differently. These are video games anon, not movies.
Also you clearly haven't played The Talos Principle if you believe it's a clone of Portal, just because something is in the same genre doesn't make it a clone.
>the entire genres started as clones.
Which is false mind you, genres are created not by direct copies but original ideas being grouped for their thematic similarities.

You really are angry about pocketpair being sued aren't you.

>>56879968
Yeah which is why you don't go by Google and go to the actual patent sites.

>>56880137
Can you link them?