Palword devs are getting sued
>>56875220Good. They've tarnished the monster collecting genre and deserve the guillotine.
>>56875226>. They've tarnished the monster collecting genre and deserve the guillotineDigimon out of nowhere
>>56875244digimon is not about collecting...
>>56875255was this patent filed after palworld was created? if so, how would they have grounds to sue?
>>56875287As far as I can tell, Japanese law isn't first designed, first serve, it's instead first patented, first serve. The fact that this doesn't happen more often is kind of shocking, to be honest.
>>56875255>twitter user being stupid and making things up to fit their narrativeLike clockwork.
>>56875220Nah, they'll win.
>>56875287Patent trolling doesn't require actual grounds and they may not even be trying to win a lawsuit so much as to damage Palworld. Either way they can go fuck themselves with a rusty nuclear fuel rod. I'll definately be pirating any Nintendo release I'm interested in going forward, I'm real sick of their continued bullshit.
>>56875220whythe palworld fad lasted less than typhlosion rape allegations
>>56875319>and they may not even be trying to win a lawsuit so much as to damage Palworldthat's obvious enough, big companies are catching on that you can ensue legal battles and bleed small companies out
>>56875332Nintendo suits are mad because someone else made them look bad/made a bunch of money on a knockoff of their shit
>>56875332It lasted about as long as any single player game should.
>>56875255oh no no no no poke troons, we got too cocky
>>56875220>noooooooo you will not heckin compete with our monopoly
>>56875287iirc it was registered shortly after Palworld was announced to the public, but was only made active recently
>>56876657Not to mention, Palworld only showed off their catching mechanics well after the patent was filed. It's easily possible they both didn't bother checking for the patent before they implemented, or implemented it before the patent was filed and simply didn't check to see if anyone else filed it in the meantime, and technically both of those are probably illegal but the latter is probably the only case they could possibly make.
>>56875220who cares
>>56875220art source?
>>56877368mawaifu on pixiv
>>56876657It was filed in 2021 and was approved in 2023 so it was active a year before Palworld was released.>>56876697>It's easily possible they both didn't bother checking for the patent before they implemented, or implemented it before the patent was filed and simply didn't check to see if anyone else filed it in the meantimeThe problem is that ignorance is going to be a hard claim to make for several reasons1) it's pokemon don't really need to explain anything there2) it's already well known that Palworld changed a lot between the reveal and release including a complete change of engine3) PLA came out years before Palworld did and the initial trailer for it showed off the capturing mechanics and that's what was being talked about the mostUsing ignorance as an argument will end badly for them.
It is known that Nintendo can't handle actual competition, just look at how they handled the Genesis, crying to the courts about how violent SEGA's games were.
>>56878468>crying to the courts about how violent SEGA's games were.You know Nintendo was under fire as well, right?
>>56875287Copyright law and patents are a spook and this shows
>>56875255>abstract Can anyone explain what that means in English
>>56879322Summary.
>>56879322are you underage?
>>56878315Nice
>>56879446>>56879455I know this board has a huge number of autists that cannot help but look at everything literally all the time, but I meant the blob of legal mumbo jumbo after that word
>>56875255The palmon mons has no artwork, no references, no beta designs.They were all done by ripping off pokemon models
>>56875220
>>56879567Then just say that dumbass, what are you, a woman or something? >button 1: enter aim mode>button 2: adjust aim>button 3: throw object
>>56875332But it lasted as long as any main series pokemon game. Typhlosion rape allegations did not bring any attention back to SV.
>>56875287Nipland's justice system is fucked beyond redemption.Their famous 99% conviction rate isn't the product of extreme efficiency, just of judges considering that *not* declaring the accused guilty would bring shame on the cops.Nintendo being the more "respectable" and famous of the two mean Pocketpair is automatically losing.
>>56879917That's not a thing anon.Jesus fucking christ, it's like all you know about Japan comes from South Park.
>>56875220Nintendo wouldn't care if Sony didn't end up getting involved. Once they did and specifically started dipping their toes in the trve moneymaker of Pokemon (merchandise) there was zero chance they wouldn't try something.
>>56875226nigga, you first, you defaced the name of Pokemon by stroking your dick to pokemon,so get in that guillotine first, nigga
>>56879941Yet Nintendo is confident this extremely shitty patent trolling case isn't going to end badly for them, so...
>>56875244>implying Digimon is shit like Palworld
>>56880193So it means that this isn't at all patent trolling and they have an actual case like most major companies when they start a patent lawsuit.
>>56880227Digimon is a good concept that started with a promising first vidya, before managing to shit the bed by every orifices while refusing to call it quit.
>>56875220Oh no, anyway
>>56875220Palworld devs deserve to be killed. Their bodies should be fed to vultures too. If I lived in Japan I would kill them all. They are not human, they are domesticated animals that should be euthanized. Also, I don't even like Pokemon.>Verification not required
>>56880237>before managing to shit the bed by every orifices while refusing to call it quit.Which is funny since bamco doesn't give he series shit these days and stole Digimon's TCG to use for One Piece and Dragonball.At least I got my Paildramon kit, now all I need is Ulforce.
>>56875244>Digimon>CollectingPick one
>>56875244>Digimon out of nowhere>Digimon out of nowhere
>>56881430>album>acts as a compendium of every mon you've raised just like every tamerUh-huh.
>>56875220Word is Palworld are currently filing some patents themselves for a few of their game features and then will sue GF back
>>56881669Which would lead to them being being absolutely demolished in court
>>56881655To be fair, this is a feature of modern v-pets. In the old v-pets you lost all your progress once the battery ran out. Digimon has never been about collecting different kinds evolutions but raising one monster for battle till it dies and the process begins again. It has more in common with Monster Rancher than with it does with Pokemon.
The fact that none of the other indie "pokemon killers" got sued is basically admitting that they all flopped lol
>>56882230It's more that they didn't steal mechanics.
>>56881669They can't be that retarded
>>56882360I mean, this is a company that openly admitted to copying. That anon was probably joking but I wouldn't put it past them to shoot themselves in the foot like that.
>>56882298You cant own a mechanic
>>56882375>this is a company that openly admitted to copying.
Fuck Nintendo
>>56882400https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/190906a>First, we decide on a game to use as a reference. At first, we try to imitate it faithfully. It's a matter of gameplay, and we see what parts we can and can't imitate, so we just imitate what we can and thoroughly discuss what we can't.>There are no copyrights for functions like there are for illustrations, and if there seems to be no problem, I will copy it in an instant.>I grew up in a world where it was normal to look at a design and copy it, so maybe I still have that stance.
>>56882230that's because none of them were made on Nintendo's home turf.
>>56882382Clearly you don't understand what a patent is.
>>56882474>Take something>Imitate it to the point where it's not a blatant ripoff>Use it in your gameWhat's the issue here?
the patent will be ruled unable to hold up in court and then dissolved. Happens all the time with patent suites. This is an attempt to damage pocketpair so that their partnership with sony doesn't end up becoming the "playstation pokemon" and giving them actual, non-meme competition. They're well aware of how shit the pokemon games are and can't improve them since gamefreak has exclusive development rights and clearly has some sort of pride thing going on where they think only they can make pokemon. It's survived the 3D era only because it had no alternative, and palworld with sony funding now threatens that merchandise empire.This is not simple malice, this is desperation.
>>56880369I haven't played Palslop, but Pocketpair is undeniably based for managing to frighten the lazy fucks at Gamefreak & Nintendo with their shitty Unreal asset flip game
>>56880126Nice try but I'm not a deranged Pokephile. I strictly am attracted to the Pokewomen.
>>56882382Tell that to LotR's Nemesis System.
>>56875220Are we supposed to care, this is the Pokémon boardI'm not going to cheer just because some intellectually bankrupt idiots that was coming for them, and I'm not going to cry for them either Go talk about this on v
>>56882827They call everyone a paedo or a zoophile on this board at this point.I also prefer normal women Anon.
>>56875282>>56881430you can collect digimonsyou get acheivment for it
>>56880234>isn't at all patent trolling>they have an actual caseNearly all patent cases are patent trolling. Just because the king declares lords can steal any serf's wife doesn't mean it's suddenly a righteous thing.
>>56882298>they didn't steal mechanics.Nigga, some of the games in that pic are near copy-paste of mainline pokémon games and could have easily been romhacks.It's normal to hate palworld, but in the "stealing mechanics" category a lot of other "pokémon killers" did much, much worse.
>>56883794yup. and nintendo let them go because they waren't fanous enough. palworld is actually biting into pokemon turf so nintendo is fighting back.
>>56875220Yeah but Nintendo's claims are paper-thin.Considering that Pocketpair has now Sony's two massive subsidiaries and there's chance for Blue Hole wanting to support them I don't see Nintendo winning it. If they would pull these patents out of their asses before creation of Palworld Entertainment and BH being involved then this would be ez fight but now I don't see Nintendo winning it.
>>56875287It's a divisional 'child' patent of an older, more vaguely worded patentThis allows them to make a more targeted vector of legal attack, and by being a divisional patent it means they can effectively treat it like it was created at the same time as the original older oneIs this absolute bullshit? Yes, and it's somehow a fucking legitimate legal tactic
>>56875332Realistically they're doing this less because they care about palworld specifically (though obviously they're happy to remove a competitor as shown by their many attacks on fan projects), but more so because they saw the potential to absolutely fuck Sony up the ass due to their recent partnering, with not just an extremely lengthy (on average cases like this can take up to a decade at minimum to resolve), but an also prohibitively expensive bullshit court caseAnd if they can possibly get another monopoly out of it by getting super specific patents legally validated? Oh boy are they going to take itThe fact Sony just shit the bed in such a dramatic fashion with Concord AFTER the case was served is just icing on the cake for Nintendo
>>56878438Craftopia had the same catching mechanic though
Pocket monsters Pocket pairThey're not even trying to hide it
>>56884043Craftopia worked differently which would make it even harder to claim ignorance since they already had a usable mechanic ready to go that didn't infringe.
>>56884028>of an older, more vaguely worded patentIt's not vaguely worded at all, in fact it's highly detailed.
>>56884080Going by Nintendo's normal patent standards, I'm sure it is.
>>56884077I'm not that anon and I've only seen videos of the Craftopia mechanic so I'm acknowledging my ignorance, but they look pretty close. The main difference I noticed aside from PalWorld just having much better animations was the capture rng mechanic, which is different than Pokemon and not having to pick up the ball afterwards, which is the same as Pokemon. I can't tell just from videos, but maybe the greater chance of capture from a back hit like Pokemon was also added to PalWorld. Overall, the new similarities seem fairly trivial compared to the new differences plus everything you can do with a pal being completely different after catching it.
>>56884080No the original one it's split off from, not the current one that's specifically built around the catching mechanicBy vaguely worded I mean that the 'parent' patent didn't specifically target any one aspect, but could instead be alluded to include various concepts under it as needed (i.e. when they want a new specifically focused subdivisional patent to attack someone)It's a very common practice for a lot of companies, especially digital media based ones. We just don't usually hear about it as much/pay attention to when it's being done because it's rarely involved in something as high profile as this, much less the main source of controversial action in of itselfAdditionally Nintendo literally requested the japanese courts to accelerate the process of getting said child patents registered early via a 'special process' and they fucking did it! This was before they started the American processLike holy shit the corruption!
>>56875220For like 30k.They made millions.
>>56884153Small edit, I was slightly wrong about the special process>Even more interesting, both US-App-3 and US-App-4 were filed with Track One requests. Track One is a program at the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) where an applicant pays a fee to have the examination of their patent application substantially expedited (the USPTO attempts to provide the applicant with a final disposition, which is either an allowance or a final rejection, within at most 12 months). Based on this information, it is not overly speculative to assume Nintendo filed US-App-3 and US-App-4 with the intention of targeting Palworld.They also did it in America too
>>56884153>No the original one it's split off fromWhich would be this one.A long, very detailed and most certainly not vague patent detailing the specific way they implemented the mechanic complete with diagrams. https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c1801/PU/JP-2023-092953/11/en>It's a very common practice for a lot of companies, It's really not. You're most likely confusing design patents, which can just be the design of something eg. "my design has rounded edges" and utility patents which absolutely have to detail everything which this patent falls under. Which is why it's a several page document for what is essentially>a three input method of aiming and throwing an object in a 3d space with objects that can capture a character bestow different effects.>We just don't usually hear about it as much/pay attention to when it's being done because it's rarely involved in something as high profile as this That's not it, it's because everyone knows patent cases don't effect anything, you didn't see anyone going>NOOOO CAPCOM IS GOING TO KILL CONTROLLER VIBRATION IF THEY WINDid you. The only reason why people are paying attention to this is because there's a loud group of people with an irrational hatred for Nintendo. >Additionally Nintendo literally requested the japanese courts to accelerate the process of getting said child patents registered early via a 'special process' and they fucking did itThat's not a thing by the way, patent offices generally don't communicate with each other so the Japanese patent Office doesn't have anything to do with the American one. Also U.S. patent application Ser. No. 17/949,666 was originally filed September 2022 and was published August 2024, that's the standard two years. https://patents.justia.com/patent/20240278129#history>This application is a continuation of U.S. patent application Ser. No. 17/949,666, filed on Sep. 21, 2022. I'd write more but character limit. Either way don't listen to journos.
>>56884253Dedicated troll is dedicated. Here's a (you) for your efforts.
>>56884257You don't have to get so mad anon, this is just basic research.
>>56884153>By vaguely worded I mean that the 'parent' patent didn't specifically target any one aspect,What the fuck are you talking about? Of course it did.
>>56884253It is a very common practice, for litigation purposes which is what is being doneAlso, if the patent was so vague why did they need subdivisional ones?Because there was a degree of nonspecificity that could've allowed Palworld wiggle room, i.e a vague patentAgain, I don't mean vague as in the patent wasn't made for a specific function, but because it is not hyper specific to any one mechanicSubdivisional patents are a good idea in practice, companies sometimes might have older contracts that they made when they were still figuring things out so subdivisionals help clarify them to ensure they're not thrown out/dissolved for accidentally covering multiple items instead of just the one it was supposed to be registered forUnfortunately it's also easily abused as being shown by Nintendo right fucking now>That's not a thing by the wayRead here numbfuck >>56884212Yes it did happen, I just forgot that it was an officially offered program (which is still bullshit AF especially in this case)>Don't listen to journosKys nigger, I read up on this shit myself, the closest thing you could argue to a 'journo' I interacted with was a video discussing how patent law works and looking into the likely patents Nintendo AND gamefreak were likely using from before the confirmation, and another discussing some of the cultural/legal differences between the Nip and American practices
>>56884266I worded that bit poorly, to boil it down if the patent can be subdivided there is thus room in it's wording to argue it could be used to cover this new, technically entirely different, item/mechanic/etc, instead of the company requiring an entire new patent be made for itErgo the original patent can't be used because there's a chance it would be thrown, or even possibly dissolved, because it no longer solely covers the original concept it was registered forThis is literally why subdivisional patents exist in the first place, it's meant to help companies protect older patents that could potentially be at legal risk from 'loose wording', unfortunately it's also accidentally by design a fairly exploitable system for patent trolling
>>56884307>, I read up on this shit myselfNTA but you copy and pasted this >>56884212Straight from gamesindustry.biz and the whole article spews a bunch of bullshit using Google's patent list that hasn't been updated with the new information. You haven't read up on shit.I doubt you can read after reading this shit>Also, if the patent was so vague why did they need subdivisional ones?You're the only one calling it fucking vague for starters when it clearly isn't and it's because the original patent had multiple ideas, if you look at it they didn't change anything and this is just a dumbass idea>Because there was a degree of nonspecificity that could've allowed Palworld wiggle room, i.e a vague patentSince it was filed two years before Palworld released and showed off those mechanics anyway so there's absolutely no reason to assume it had anything to do with Palworld.
>>56884376Anon, you absolute fucking moron. That's ONE single reason why you would subdivide the patent and like I said here >>56884377They didn't actually change anything about what the patent describes and that's because you legally aren't allowed to alter it precisely because it can be abused like that if you could.Why are you even posting if you don't know a thing about patents?
>>56884377Actually anon, I copied that from someone else, who copied it from the article because it was the only section of that drivel that actually had something of note about the situation back when we didn't actually know what patents were being used yetY'know, there being an official program, which most people didn't know about at the time, that Nintendo also made use of, that allows for a patents registration process to be accelerated. You didn't exactly disprove anything I pointed out there, nor that Nintendo's use of it in this case wasn't bullshitI saw no reason to rewrite it because it was already a perfectly succinct paragraph for my usage >it's because the original patent had multiple ideasYes, and that's the problem. You technically want patents to cover a specific idea/design at a time, if it can be read to covers a variety instead that that actively weakens its enforceability. From a legal standpoint the harder it is to argue you're not infringing on a patent to the word the stronger the case, whereas if it's the opposite it could instead bet thrown out. I.e. Nintendo making the child patents instead of just using the pre-existing one, which literally would've saved them money, because they're a fucking safer bet>assume it had anything to do with PalworldYes Anon, it didn't have to be made specifically with Palworld in mind. In fact I'd straight up agree with you that it likely wasn't. What it was made to be instead was likely as a safety net/emergency measure they could pull out in the case they ever needed it, exactly like they've done with Palworld here.Again, this is a thing that companies do. It's not new, it's a fairly basic litigation tactic.They're likely doing this less because of Palworld & more as a way to indirectly try and fuck Sony up, or at least spit in their eye for past offences after noticing Sony's trying to get a slice of that pokemon themed pie again after Nintendo originally btfo'd them back in the day over Gamefreak
>>56883319>>56882061
>>56884133Dude, there's a literal homing effect on the craftopia balls.
>>56884153>By vaguely worded I mean that the 'parent' patent didn't specifically target any one aspect, but could instead be alluded to include various concepts under it as needed (i.e. when they want a new specifically focused subdivisional patent to attack someone)You are aware that's not the same thing as the actual patent being vaguely worded, right?It's to prevent arguments of confusing wording. In other words, despite the patent itself being highly detailed separating each and every part with labels and what not someone in court could claim something like>hey you're suing me for this ball mechanic but this patent talks about another mechanic in addition that we don't have, that's vague!It basically exists to prevent strawmen.
>>56884585I said I only watch a video, so things like that aren't obvious to me since the guy playing in the video did miss some throws and it looked like normal aiming. Regardless, copy and pasting grenade mechanics onto the balls also seems like a pretty trivial and obvious feature. I feel like you would hard pressed to convince anyone buy a judge that has never played a game in their life that this change is an innovation that deserves patent protection. I also don't doubt Nintendo would be satisfied if they paid the penalty and simply added some ball magnetism to avoid the injunction.
>>56884028So basically, they'll allowed to create child amendments to the patents they owned years later and use those to sue the company that infinged upon them, in Japan.Why didn't they sue Pocket Pair for Craftopia then? Is it because those aren't available for consoles?
>>56880369The CEO should be killed just on the fact that he's a cryptofag.
>>56884755No, you can't alter child patents in any way.>Why didn't they sue Pocket Pair for Craftopia then?1) Craftopia was released in 2020 before they registered the patents.2) Craftopia doesn't use the same mechanic.
>>56884784I said child amendments, as in extension of the original patient.
>>56884680>I feel like you would hard pressed to convince anyone buy a judge that has never played a game in their life that this change is an innovation that deserves patent protection.If anything a judge who doesn't know anything about video games would be considerably harder to convince because they'll see it the exact same way as people here are as the concept and not the mechanic.
>>56884792Yeah, you can't alter them.Child patents exist as a separation of an existing patent that contains multiple ideas. In other words if you have a patent that says>press A button to jump, press B button to punchAnd separate the two functions into separate patents. You can't actually change it.It just exists so some idiot in court can't go>our patent just says press A to jump not B so they aren't the same!
>>56884154The money is just there for pretense.The real prize is the injuction, as it would basically make anything Palword-related impossible to sell.
>>56875255>>56875287>>56875319The patents are from 2021.It's actually pretty telling that insted of honestly battling Nintendo in court as a non-guilty party would, Pocketpair decided to openly lie in public to bait reactionary twittards
>>56875220Don't care, bought Palworld because people told me it was Pokemon for adults and all I got is the exact same shit.Sure there's guns, but you don't see them do anything.
>>56884868>because people told me it was Pokemon for adultsWhy would you believe that? It's the most juvenile tamer on the market right now.
>>56884092Better than you taking your "widsom" from twitroons.All the related patents have 50 pages of describing the mechanic in agonizing detail.Even the "look at objects" patent from your pic (you got assmad over without even clicking the link) has over 6.1k words.https://patents.google.com/patent/US7667705?oq=ininventor:%22Shigeru+Miyamoto%22+block
>>56884868If you wanted that you could've just played any mainline SMT game or Devil Survivor.
>>56882559>Imitate it to the point where it's not a blatant ripoff>implying
>>56879322It isn't concrete.
