>>56884832
>No Alain rematch
>No 6v6 with Steven
>Doesn't bring back his strongest mons like Sceptile or Greninja for the most important tournament of his life

This was a such wet nothingburger it's not even funny in hindsight.

>>56884877
>>No Alain rematch
They took every bad decision on JN series to avoid Alain losing to Ash.

>>56885506
>Blaming Alain for everything
Get a job, ESL. Stop letting a Chad live rentfree in your head.

>>56884965
This. All it did was make it clear that Ashtards will defend literally anything as long as their self insert wins.

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>>56884832
>>56884877

>>56885517
Because Alain was responsible for everything, none of the problem with SM and JN would have happened if Ash defeated Alain and won the Kalos League.

>>56884832
>wins with 5/6 randos he recently picked up instead of Pokemon he had for years
Unearned.

Reminder that XY and DP are still considered far better series than SM and PM19 despite Ash not winning at the end of those.

>>56885543
You're so fucking obsessed with Alain it's unreal, why blame Alain for a show he wasn't even in? Take your meds and get a job, third world turd.

>>56884877
>Doesn't bring back his strongest mons like Sceptile or Greninja for the most important tournament of his life
I think this was by far the strangest decision for this series. Finishing this with a bunch of nobody pokemon the audience (and probably even the writing staff themselves since they were sparsely used) has little attachment to was weird as hell.

>ashnime thread
circlejerk thread

>>56885554
>why blame Alain for a show he wasn't even in?
Because his negative influence still remained in the show.

>>56885577
It's because they didn't decide the tournament would even be a thing until halfway through the series.

>>56884832
>team full of newly caught pokemon
he should have lost

>>56885582
>He ruined SM despite not appearing in there because.... just trust me bro
I accept your concession

that entire arc was fucking wash. they chose the most harmless and sterile matchups possible

>>56885583
Even so, one of their main goals before the show started was to 'show off every single pokemon', and their main character had a bunch of them ready to use. At least do that throughout the series.

>>56885589
Alola was a region with no gym or an established league with an Elite 4 therefore it was pretty obvious winning the Alola League will never feel like an actual league win from the very start. This is why it was absolute necessary for Ash to win Kalos League since Alola had no actual league to offer.

Because of Alain wank, SM series got ruined before it even started.

>>56885553
DP yes, XY no.

>>56885642
Alola League also let any dipshit join. I was expecting they would at least have to clear the island trials to qualify but no, it was just an open qualifier battle royale and it let absolute shitters like Sophocles, Lillie, Mallow, and Lana through

>>56886357

>Alola League also let any dipshit join
Its a region without gym where most people never heard of a Pokémon League. What do you expect?

>I was expecting they would at least have to clear the island trials to qualify but no
Expect two of the Kahuna supposed to be the region's elite 4 members and strongest trainer on their Island. Do you expect to have a league with over 100 participants that defeated elite 4 tier trainer? Island Challenge was specifically designed to be completed by one person who is likely a prodigy in the game.

SM series was handicapped from the start, Ash winning the Kalos League was the only thing that could have carry the series.

Shit writing pity win lol

>>56886433
>Those jobbers
>Elite 4 level
lol no
I don't care what the games say the kahunas are gym leader tier at best

>>56884832
Here's how the Masters 8 should have gone
>First Round
>Ash vs. Cynthia
>Ash uses Pikachu, Noivern, Hawlucha, Sceptile, Infernape, Melmetal
>Ash wins after knocking Mega Garchomp out with Sceptile
>Round 2
>Ash vs Alain (who had just beaten Steven)
>Ash brings Pikachu, Charizard, Krookodile, Snorlax, Goodra, Ash-Greninja
>Ash wins after Ash-Greninja defeats Mega Charizard X
>Ash vs. Leon
>Ash brings back a mix of the pokemon he used prior
>Pikachu, Ash-Greninja, Sceptile, Krookodile, Goodra, Charizard
>Leon brings Charizard, Rillaboom, Samurott, Dragopult, Kingambit, Eternatus
>Rillaboom beats Sceptile and Krookodile to show its strength
>Charizard beats Rillaboom
>Leon sends out his own Charizard to defeat Ash's Charizard
>Leon switches to Samurott
>Ash switches to Pikachu and defeats Samurott
>Leon sends out Kingambit
>Ash sends out Greninja and defeats Kingambit
>Leon sends out Eternatus
>Ash pushes the power of the Bond Phenomenon to its limits and defeats Eternatus
>Ash recalls Greninja and sends out Goodra
>Leon sends out Dragopult
>Double KO
>Ash sends out Pikachu to defeat Dragopult
>Leon sends out Charizard
>Ash sends out Ash-Greninja again
>Ash-Greninja does decent damage and forces Leon to Gigantamax
>Ash-Greninja loses but gets G-Max Charizard to use all 3 of its moves
>Ash sends Pikachu out
>Ash unlocks a power through his bond with Pikachu which lets him push through Leon's Charizard

>>56885589
Anon, be real. Everything that happened with the SM anime and beyond was a result of extensive overcorrection as a result of the backlash to Ash losing to Alain in the Kalos League. He he got to fight a legendary in the Alola League, got to beat popular characters, got a ton of popular shillmons, and got to fight against past Champions and win. It was obvious what they were doing from the start.

>>56885642
>>56886357
the guides make it clear sm ash>all the ash from other regions and that sm ash would win the other leagues if not any semi-finalists would win leagues if alola league>es all other leagues in trainers

>>56886651
>>56886534

You're an idiot, don't guide them, they put sm ash was leagues harder than xyz ash, yes even kiawe would trample the kalos league to match with sm ash that trainers had other regions were fodder sm ash was able to maintain a legendary match in alola while cyntia was raped by a trio clouds unova lance by kiogre

>>56886722
>>56886740
>guide
What is this guide you speak of schizo-san?

>>56885589
confession denied.

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>World champion as-AAAAACK!!!!

He peaked in Johto, everything else is meh.

You can blame Yuyama for Kalos

>>56884832
>never beat Mega Garchomp
KWAB

>>56886612
I think it needs Lucario in it but otherwise this is much better

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>>56885517
>A tournament is announced with many cool chars (Leon, Raihan, Cynthia, Lance, Steven...)
>Ash-self inserters only think about Alain
HAHAHAHAHAHA they deserve it. CHADlain is their nightmare

>>56884832
Reminder that newer leagues mean nothing when they're pushover leagues. Dude had to wait until one of the easiest leagues in existence to finally get a W, pathetic.

>>56887404
He peaked in Sinnoh, if there was ever a legitimate shot for him to actually have been a based and good trainer it was there, and it was robbed from him because of a donut steal edgelord with multiple legendaries.

>>56891616
>many cool characters
>leon, raihan

>>56884832
Be sure to pay your respects to the Kyoani trainfaggot, for without him none of this would've happened.

Reminder that Leon allowed Ash to use three gimmicks, Eternatus showed up to boost Ash's power, Ash was using Lucario aura hacks, Dracovish grew weird anime-only claws to clinch the win, Pikachu literally fucking passed out and woke up mid-battle, and it STILL went down to the very last hit.

Leon also explained all of his Pokémon abilities to Ash mid-fight so Ash would know what was going on. Leon then randomly neglected to use Libero even though it would have checkmated Pikachu. Leon let Ash win.

Ash did not come out of that fight looking better than Leon.

>>56892204
Leon was a shitter, Ash was more skilled than him and FAR better at using gimmicks

>>56892285
>used 7 gimmicks and still almost lost

>>56885582
1.- he was in the show.
2.- Ash should have been the one who did him in.

3.- the world tournament was an extreme farce and a really halfassed apology from TPC because of XYZ. same with the alola '''''''league'''''''.

>>56886433
>Its a region without gym where most people never heard of a Pokémon League. What do you expect?

nta but, how about NOT doing a pokemon league this time? at EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of the league you can only hear TPC's utterly desperate WERESORRYWERESORRYWERESORRYWERESORRY! pleas for forgiveness. HELL! they even fucking lampshaded Ash's first league defeat moment as a fakeout!

Maybe the Ash vs Leon final battle in the world tournament was good, whoever actually forgives TPC for that and the alola league is a complete mouth breathing retard. every single suit at TPC who greenlighted that tripe HAS to die before TPC has any right to move on.

>>56893126
>how about NOT doing a pokemon league this time?
Not possible after the Kalos League fiasco, this is why Ash winning the Kalos League was absolutely necessary.

>>56891640
He won the Orange Islands league before that, though.

>>56893484
is there a pokemon game set in the orange islands?
i think its obvious it doesnt count.

>>56893571
We are talking about the ashime here, not the games. Ash doesn't even exist in the games, and is replaced by Red.

>>56893606
yeah, i know.

the only reason Ash won the Orange League was because its not a real league from the games. (GS was already out by that point so there were 2 leagues already)
that is why it doesnt count as a true victory, because the orange league is not real.

>>56893178
Ash self-inserter detected. Opinion rejected.
I find it amazing how these pussies are still crying about a failed fanfic from almost a decade ago.

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>Kalos League Victory! Satoshi's Ultimate Match!!
>Ash lost
Anipoke didn't have enough with 25 years of shipbaiting, creating legions of retards arguing over their favorite ship, it also had to traumatize children and manchilds who were inserted into a cardboard gary Stu.

>>56894096
Ash shouldn't have won Kalos because of Greninja replacing Pikachu
He also shouldn't have won Alola because the writing from the quarterfinals onward was absolutely retarded

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>picrel
S O V L

>>56884832
soulless

>>56894284
Alola was the 20th Anniversary of Red & Green. If Ash didn't win there, he was never going to win the league again.

>>56894646
You're so cute thinking they care about anniversaries like that.
>If Ash didn't win there
And if Yuyama had gotten his way, again, Ash wouldn't have won at Alola either.
>he was never going to win the league again.
Which is what Yuyama wanted.
Guess what event backlash was strong that they finally told Yuyama to fuck off?
And for that matter, guess which series was failing so hard that they decided to bring back the league to try to revitalize it?

>>56887389
kino

>>56894742
I need evidence, not quackery.

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>>56884832
Since the others are complaining, I'll be celebrating.

>>56895341
>No Johto rep
Heracross bros...

>>56895446
>What is charizard

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>>56895485
>charizard
>johto

>>56887404
In terms of personality? Sure.

>>56895506
>https://youtu.be/gfHRgZvHOls?si=g7yNke-cMe7N-sGW&t=40
Correct glad we agreed.

>>56895561
not clicking your jewtube link, try again zoom zoom

>>56895569
>No argument
Concession accepted, pablo.

So yeah Uh when will the games have some kinda equivalent to this? It would be kino to steamroll the entire champion lineup from every previous gen.

>>56895613
You had that in BW2 alongside every single gym leader from the previous gens, you fucking retard.

>>56886024
>dumb newfag doesn't remember how huge XY was
Sad

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>>56886612
>0 Johto representation
>no Lycanroc
>unironically benching Lucario
>fucking 4 Kalos mons nigga are you shitting me
>Charizard jobbing that early in Leons fight
>Cynthia getting knocked out early
1/10 fucking off your XYturd

>thread is so shit that OP has to beg /padt/ to post in it >>56895840
Lol
Lmao

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>>56895880
>how huge XY was
lol

>>56895889
This is beyond sad honestly.

>>56895889
KEK. What a fucking fag.

>>56895890
>>>>TV ratings
Even if you attach undue importance to those, XY still had higher TV ratings than SM and JN.

>>56895941
>XY still had higher TV ratings than SM and JN
Oh are we pretending to be retarded? BW has higher ratings than XY. Guess its a misunderstood cinematic masterpiece.

>>56895941
>>56895952
Don't you oxymorons get tired of repeating the same arguments from years ago? Just shut up

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>>56895958
Sorry shortstack but I don't spend all my time on /vp/ much less the fucking anime threads.

>>56895941
>Goalmoving

>>56895890
>The BW anime was so bad it killed anipoke views
Lmao

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Congratulations Ash!

Ash x Dawn!

>>56895952
What the fuck are you talking about? That half of the post you chose not to quote literally called you stupid for attaching importance to those TV ratings. Are you willfully stupid or just incapable of reading?

>>56895890
Why do supposed SMfags keep spamming this picture when SM is the lowest rated series on it?

>Muh Alain
>Muh SMfags or XYfags
You dumbasses live in a time bubble. Eight years later and it's the same fucking tantrums.

>>56896021
Where did anyone talk about XYfags?

>>56896060
The random XY seethe is how you can tell it's a SMfag falseflagging.

>>56885582
>Because his negative influence still remained in the show.
You either post concrete examples that are not vague stretches or consider your rant discarded.

>>56895890
SM has better perfomance than XYZ LOOOOL

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Picrel is exactly how I felt.

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Thanks for keeping the crown nice and clean for us for so long, Ash. We'll be claiming it back, now.

>>56899166
>Dragonite because ??? + K-K-KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>Gengar that should have been the Haunter he left at Sabrina's if they really had to give him a Gengar + K-K-KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>Dracovish because it became a breakout popularity mememon so a shill pick that somehow oneshots a Championmon on its first battle ever where Ash didn't even know the moves it was capable of
>Lucario that's four generations too late to give to Ash with the most boring personality and most generic moveset out of all the Lucarios in the entire franchise and a even bigger special snowflake than the shillfrog born from such an special snowflake egg countless people tried to hatch it but couldn't until it responded to trAsh plot armor aura made it hatch and who then went from baby to Champion-tier just because ??? (and despite all that it is still weaker than the shillfrog so ??????????)
>Shillrat with maximum plot armor and asspull writing where every win it got on shitneys was completely unearned and unbelievable
Genuinely embarrassing in nearly every aspect.
Only Sirfetch was a good choice, very fitting for Ash, well, for if Ash still had a personality.
Shitneys is such a fucking mistake of a series. And some people will actually look at you straight in the eye and tell you the shitneys team it's actually good and you're just a butthurt reservefag for not liking it.
Shitneyfags are truly subhumans.

>>56897658
Every show has an initial viewership spike due to it being the start of a new gen, before the ratings dip to lower than the previous one ever did. This is not even remotely exclusive to SM and XY, and late SM had much lower ratings than XY ever did, falsefag-kun.

>>56899703
Fags that started watching the anime with SM or JN seem to treat the show like it's a mathematic equation. "Ash wins at the end = entire show is good regardless of how shit it is". It's fucking insane. Every time you see some really obsessive self inserting Ashfag say something retarded, it's usually accompanied by a screenshot from one of those two series.

>>56895887
>>Charizard jobbing that early in Leons fight
that would be based, your other points are valid though

Why tf couldn't he have won johto league 20 years ago? Who even gave a shit about this in 2022?

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>>56896007
murdered by Koharu

>>56901387
>Why tf couldn't he have won johto league 20 years ago

To promote Gen 3

>>56895628
Yeah but fucking the sm champion and sword and scarlet champions aren't there

>>56884832
He only won because Leon was basically Goku if he beat Jackie Chun as a kid, leaving him to be totally disillusioned with his perfect winning streak and never finding any opportunities to WAKU WAKU about life. Letting Ash win was the only out he had, because he saw that same WAKU WAKU spirit, and thus, it would be most believable for him to finally concede and get away from the nightmare that is his perfect life.
...And even then Ash STILL needed to cheat to win, because Leon had to give him THREE (3) gimmicks while he stuck to Dynamax only.
Ass Ketchum. Once a fraud, ALWAYS a fraud.

>>56899166
The only good part of the show was seeing ash's old Pokemon and THIS is who he won with?!

>>56899703
This so much this

>>56899703
The team looks like it was made by a 10yo fanfic writer, yes, but that's not the worst part. They don't feel like a team, zero chemistry, zero screentime, almost zero interactions (just Sirfetchd and Dracovish kinda), and zero training scenes. When Lucario in the Raihan fight charges his giant Aura Sphere with the memories of all the time he spent with his teammates I had no other option but to laugh because these moments NEVER HAPPENED, the schizo dog made them up.

>>56902458
>(just Sirfetchd and Dracovish kinda)
And that completely falls flat on its face because it happened in just ONE episode, and one of the late-game episodes at that too, and now we're supposed to believe that those two are super BFFs.
Doesn't help that it's followed and becomes a factor in one of the worst battles in all of shitneys if not the entire anime as a whole.

>>56902458
>>56902521
The annual celebration of this shit just makes it ever more clear how much of a fucking retarded Ash self inserter everyone that kept watching past XY was.

>>56885527
Pretty sure OP is being facetious.

>>56886612
>>Ash vs Alain (who had just beaten Steven)
Alain defeating any Champion would cause a massive backlash, specially Steven who has a huge fanbase. Alain being in Master Eight is already unfair favoritism compared to other better character and OC that had better character development.

i HATE the journeys team!

Wow
Thread still here

>>56884832
good riddance satoshi

Journeys team was the best!

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>>56884832
>jobbed in kanto, ran off to statpad in the orange islands
>jobbed in johto
>jobbed in hoenn
>jobbed in sinnoh
>jobbed in unova
>jobbed in kalos
>statpads in babby mode alola
>statpads in a pity trophy made for him to win
NOT MY GOAT

We love Ash here