Not counting starters, pseudos, or legendaries/mythicals because they're supposed to be special. Why did some succeed? What exactly caused some to fail?
>>56904388it’s funny how hisui is the only region without a forced shillmon. Really show how all of its mons popularity is purely organic
define forced and demonstrate how it applies to each of your examples
>>56904388>Pretending greninja isnt a forced shillmonkalosperm thread?kalosperm thread
>>56904408> Not counting starters, pseudos, or legendaries/mythicals because they're supposed to be special
>>56904388is ursaluna even a shillmon? it's just a DLC mon that didn't even appear in the new anime >Toxtricity was this even a shillmon to begin with?
Vulpix and the Eeveelutions weren’t really shilled in the gen that introduced them. GF only started shilling later when realizing how popular they were.
>>56904425I think BM and Volcarona don't belong there.As for Tox, its given to you in the game and the GMax wasn't available on release but pushed to one of the first events.Same with Snorlax, but that one was already popular prior to SWSH.
>>56904388What is the obsession with muh shillmons here
>>56904388>succeededpikachu is mascotpsyduck, meowth, and jigglypuff were prominent in the anime back in the day but you don't see them a whole lot anymore. it got regional forms and a gigantamax but it's not much of a brand representative anymore.magikarp, eevee, and snorlax are memorable for their unique roles in the games.lucario was in smash.mimikyu and gengar i think would be popular even if it didn't have special attention.>failedpeople who aren't complete casuals tend to not like the babies.zoroark is barely in the game and its signature ability is ass.gholdengo's design has gotten massively shit onlycanroc was forgotten after gen 7rotom's role in the newer games is not conducive to a deeper player-mon bond. everyone knows rotom, but nobody's falling in love with it because of the newer games.none of the others are shilled.
>>56904463Unpopularfags seethe hard over them
>>56904388Kanto Vulpix and Marill aren’t shillmons. I’m iffy on Volcorna too but out extremely good in PvP, got two paradoxes, and was on a champion team’s so I sort of see it.
>>56904388Man I forgot Toxtricity was even a thing
>>56904578volcarona is only good in pvp thanks to terra making it stop being a worthless bug shitmon
>>56904388>Eevee>Pikachu>Not starters>>56904578No one really gave Donphan much of a second thought before Great Tusk and Iron Treads rolled up, so I don't how much paradoxes mean anything. Especially considering Iron Bundle. Delibird was a joke before, and it's still a joke now, just a different kind of joke.>>56904612people were using it the instant it was introduced despite it being 4x weak to stealth rockQuiver Dance + those stats is hilariously OP. Give it even one turn to boost and it's gg
>>56904388You're missing Greninja
>>56904388Objectively speaking, Gardevoir wasn't a shillmon, during its generation it was a meh, it was later thanks to porn that TPC realized its potential and began its true shilling in g6 onwards.
>>56904748>Not counting STARTERS, pseudos, or legendaries/mythicals because they're supposed to be special
>>56904833It was literally the main mon of your other rival in gen 3 and gained an alternate evolution right after in gen 4. Its always been a shillmon
failed shillmons are the funniest
>>56904388>SnorlaxNot shill mon>SpiritombNot a shill mon>VolcaronaNot a shill mom>Toxtricity Not a shill mon>Ursaluna Not a shill monAlso where's Greninja
>>56905236>Also where's Greninja>Not counting STARTERS, pseudos, or legendaries/mythicals because they're supposed to be special>NOT>COUNTING >STARTERS
>>56904470>lucario was in smash.Lucario also got a movie and was a big name in the lore of the first Mystery Dungeon game.
>>56904388It's funny how /vp/ is about tinfoil hat shenanigans but with a children's game
>>56904388Lucario is the biggest forced shillmon, this thing was pushed HARD back during Gen 3 and Gen 4.
>>56905245I dunno, some starters are shilled much harder than their contemporaries.
>>56905114should have stayed quadrupedal
>>56905096you would have a point if wally had appeared in the anime to shill gardevoir, but he didn't, gardevoir barely appeared in the anime until xy when it actually became a shillmon and got its first battle episode>and gained an alternate evolution right after in gen 4that happened because Gamefreak were idiots and forgot to make Gardevoir female only, it was a special circumstance
>>56905369oh that's definitely the case, but in terms of looking at the franchise as a whole, even the most actively anti-shilled starter is still a shillmon by virtue of the marketing and opportunities its gets by being a starter.
>>56904463Zoomzooms love them>>56904470Meowth failed to make Kanto's Top 30.>>56905246And a game segment made to dicksuck it.>>56905114>not counting starters
>>56905414oh fuck off. It's very obvious that they were trying to push it into popularity even if it wasn't blasted on all cylinders. It's like saying Blastoise isn't a shillmon because Charizard gets more attention
kek this thread proves /vp/edos can't read
>>56904612Volcarona is OU even before Heavy-Duty Boots existed (the actual thing that gave it a huge boost, not Tera).
>>56904388>SucceedJigglypuff: Simple design + Well done and unforced comic relief.Gengar: Simple design + Cute and cool + treated as THE ghost type.Snorlax: Simple design + important Ashmon + Strategically well positioned.Lucario: It's the first anthropomorphic design based on a popular animal + It's the first hardshilled pokemon.>FailedZoroark: GF's terrible decision to make it difficult to get one.Lycanroc: A third/fourth remix of that song you like, and you're getting tired of listening to it.>>56904450Pokemon that TPC loves, but the fans don't.On this board, it means "Pokémon that threatened the Big 5 (Pikachu, Charizard, Gengar, Eevee and Lucario) at some point, but GF doesn't care anymore."
>>56905461It is true though, even absol got a much bigger push during gen 3 but not gardevoir, yet you don't see people calling absol or even metagross a shillmongen 3 was a response to people calling gen 2 too kiddy, so it focused on cool tough looking pokemon to shill. again, xy is when they actually commit to shilling gardevoir
>>56905619Does GF actually still care about Gengar and Lucario? I mean Gengar did get that G-Max form, I guess, but they also nerfed it in gen 7Lucario hasn't been relevant since it lost its mega and even then it seems like it's the one they're always pushing out in favor of whatever the current gen's new hotness is (Zoroark, Greninja, etc)
>>56905114but enough about the comedy relief owl and his shitsuian replacement
>>56905461balstoise got dexcut twice. That automatically make it not a shillmon
>>56905664>Does GF actually still care about Gengar and LucarioYes. they are both immune to dexcut, somthing even charizard couldnt acomplish.
>>56905114Obsessed
>>56905114This is a true failed shillmon, they really stopped promoting this thing in anything after Gen 7 ended, that's what defines a failed shillmon at it's finest, literally dropped it completely.
>>56906140Dexcut only counts in games that have PvP.
>>56904388
>>56904422>> Not counting starters, pseudos, or legendaries/mythicals because they're supposed to be specialSo, why is he more special than the rest of his trio?
>>56907020/thread
>>56907110The same reason why Charizard is more special than the other Kanto starters.
>>56904406>PikachuObvious>PsyduckMisty partner in the anime and recently Masuda's forced mascot and co-star of recent show Pokémon Concierge>MeowthFirst pokemon to get two regional forms, gigantamax form with Pikachu and Eevee, main character in anime>JigglypuffThe anime and song, smash bros, paradox form, fairy typing added, one of the OG shillmons>Alolan Vulpix and NinetalesOnly regional forms in Arceus as gifts, Lillie's partner, alolan Vulpix got a V and Vstar in tcg when only Pikachu gets rulebox cards as a non evolved Pokémon>Normal VulpixGot a lot more merch after alolan vulpix came out to pair together and also that one sun/moon episode with both of them>GengarAll live service games push Gengar microtransations and costumes like GO, tcg, etc. during October>Magikarp and GyaradosEverything about it, Red Gyarados in GSC, Lysandre ace, treated on the level of pseudos by GF>Eevee and EeveelutionsObvious>SnorlaxFirst static encounter and also in gen 2 and gen 6, supposed to get an alolan form, got a gigantamax form, gets special animations>MarillThe whole Pikablu situation, shilled in first movie short, popular enough to be one of two cross gen Pokémon in gen 3 with azurill, blessed with busted ability and fairy typing post gen 2>PichuSmash, celebi event and special form, other forms like ukulele, movie shorts>TogepiOG 152, first gen 2 pokemon besides ho-oh and debut baby in the anime, given to you by Cynthia and also used by Volo, also blessed with fairy type>GardevoirPokken, never not meta and busted in tcg, Gallade exists, iron Valiant, mega and ace of champion way past its original gen>Riolu and LucarioFirst non legendary to get a movie focused on them, egg given to you by Riley, debut mega, in literally every spinoff, obvious>SpiritombIn every game it is only acquired through tedious methods, tied to a special item and static encounter, huge quest in Arceus, shilled every year in GO
>>56904406>>56907634>RotomObvious, your pokedex and phone will be Rotom for the rest of time>Zorua and ZoroarkAttempt at recapturing Lucario's thunder, whole ability forcing team preview on everyone, whole movie dedicated to it, static event encounter in gen 5 that requires shiny legendaries>Larvesta and VolcaronaStatic encounter in the post-game, first pokemon to trick normies into thinking it was a psuedo, ace of the champion and his design is based on it, two paradox forms, Larvesta also has a 3 foot tall plush for some reason>LycanrocsMidday form owned by Olivia and Kukui, midnight form owned by Gladion, rockruff was one of the first revealed Pokémon and ash ended up getting an exclusive form that became an event pokemon for USUM>MimikyuJust as shilled as Gengar now, so much fucking merch and extremely strong in both games and tcg, was supposed to have another form too>Toxel and ToxtricityFirst baby Pokémon since gen 4, given to the player, Toxtricity has statues in Nessa's town, performs in the credits, has giant monuments depicting it's gigantamax form in multiple places, first gigantamax shown in the very first game reveal that way>Charcadet, Armarouge, CeruledgeCharcadet somehow already has TEN cards in the tcg despite being brand new, overdesigned mega man designs that feel so forced to be popular, has special animations for them>Gimmighoul and GholdengoOne form exclusive to Pokémon GO, cross promotional pokemon with tedious quest similar to Spiritomb, evo forced as pokemon 1000 and also busted as shit>Bloodmoon UrsalunaBlessed to get a cross gen evo in Arceus and also a ride mon and extremely tedious to obtain, gets a special form the very next game that is a single static encounter, busted new move that makes it oppressive on competitive and also has an extremely strong tcg card that can fit into any deck
>>56904388All of these other than the coinmon succeeded, no?
>>56904401Zorua and Zoroark come close, they're super strong and a busted typing people have been begging for, got a special animated trailer, and were revealed to be in ScaVio before any other regional form
>>56907643>whole ability forcing team preview on everyoneWe probably would have gotten it even without Zoroark. Gen 4 increased the power levels too much for things to be manageable without it
>>56907643I'm so sad I didn't have $500 for the life size Larvesta. I'm a merch gremlin but most of my actual favourites are weirdmons/not very marketable so my wallet usually stays intact through most of their collections or I just grab the obligatory keychain/beanie baby they make at least one of every mon for but that one hurts.
>>56907634Not to mention Snorlax being the star of Pokemon Sleep
>>56904401>shitsui>popular mons
>>56904443In Gen 1 they shilled some random pokemon like poliwhirl
>>56905646Absol and gardevoir (along with mainstays like Gengar and Alakazam) got special treatment shilling in mystery dungeon. I’ll agree that it wasn’t as big an effort u til later, but gardevoir has always been above the rest.
>>56904388Gardevoir was never a forced shillmon, it was shilled after it became popular, forced shillmons are Greninja and Lucario who are picked for Smash bros before their games are even out
>>56907634Spititomb just has an annoying gimmick attached to it for the lore cut. It really doesn’t fit in here, even when you looking at borderline shillmons the difference is massive between them and spiritomb. Fuck, I’d say Shuckle is more of a shillmon, and he isn’t.
>>56904401Zoroark, Kleavor and Ursaluna lines.They had most of merch
>>56904450It means fucking nothing. It's just another thing the compulsive contrarians here made up to make themselves mad because being mad is the only thing that stimulates their fried brains anymore.
>>56905664Gengar wa sa star of this year halloween.
>>56905619>Pokemon that TPC loves, but the fans don't.They only love Pokémon that sell tons of merch so this is literally impossible to be true
>>56909284>special treatment shilling in mystery dungeonNot really? All kinds of Pokemon are major characters in PMD; in this case, they picked good ones for the story they wanted to tell. Gengar was once an asshole human with a Pokemon that sacrificed itself for him, and he abandoned it. What Pokemon could you most see doing that at the time? Gardevoir, because it's stated to be undyingly loyal to its Trainer. Absol, similarly, was used because of its Dex entries. They were using what seemed most appropriate.
>>56904388Pic unrelated
>>56904450filtered desu
>>56907020yeah bro hitmonchan and lickitung are major shillmons
>>56909819they are in pokemon go lol
>>56904388No Lucario even though that's basically the most forced shillmon of all? It's the first time they really tried to enforce a mascot as popular
>>56909862retard
>>56907643>gift pokemon are shillmonsI guess shuckle is a shillmon >pokemon with a lot of tcg cards are shillmonsI guess beedril is a shillmon>pokemon who have special forms are shillmonMy favorite shillmon is manectric>pokemon who are represented in statues are shillmonRhydon is a great shillmon but I prefer rhyperior>gets a crossgen evo? Shillmon it isI too think tangrowth is a shillmon
>>56904388Does mememons count? Because they tried so hard to push Lechonk as the new Bidoof and failed miserably
>>56909908Do we know if that was worldwide or was it just an out of touch American community manager?
>>56909908No one cares about Bidoof either
chandelure iz more shilleld than volcarona and zoroark
>>56909592those never got shill by tpc tho
>>56910276only after the google popularity poll brought the info to them
>>56909888Shuckle did get special unique functionality with berry juice, as well as it’s stars being intrinsically a point of interest….
>>56904388in gen 9 tinkanton spirigattito and fuecoco are more shilled
>>56907665Also, they got something like an anime special. Probably helped with getting people to love H. Zorua.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhRi11aTI8
>>56909908people care about bidoof?
>>56909943How underage are you?
>>56905461Gardevoir barely appeared in the anime and merch during gen 3.
>>56912258I'm 34 baby boy
>>56911330Holy fuck Armarouge flopped
>>56907634>>56907643Based and explanationpilled.
What is the least shilled mon ever? Porygon? Jynx?
>>56915383Probably something stupidly forgettable like Transquill
>>56915383Tropius or something similar
>>56915591Tropius is pretty popular, it showed up in New Snap for example
>>56907643>was supposed to have another form too Source?
>>56915716There's old maps for SM that list the mons and Mimikyu is listed as having two version exclusive friends.
>>56915734Also mentioned and affirmed to be forms in the same sheet that had the flying eevee.
>>5690438890% of the gen 2 dex was so fucking lame
>>56915769It's my least favorite pokedex and it's not even close, gen 6 is even better than it
