Cyclizar are native to Orre, but became extinct because the natives and pioneers used them to make a strong alcohol to which they were addicted. Only a few specimens survived and were taken to Paldea.
>>56911320Orre will never ever be acknowledged in the main series. In fact I wouldn't doubt Game Freak would be salty enough to set a game in a region based on Arizona someday just to "overwrite" Orre.
>>56911341Orre is on a map in ORAS in Dewford Town, they also took the whole "came from a distant land" thing from there as well. GameFreak has never bothered to say anything to override the existence of it or the Ranger regions either.
>>56911341"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
>>56911341Don't be like that where is your Orretmas spirit?
>>56911341If it looks like an IRL location then it belongs to the Pokemon World.This is the reason they changed Masters' region to not look like a real location.
>>56911320Where are those images from? New leaks?
>>56911521Except it still pretty damn closely resembles Italy/Sicily.
>>56911529Other than the Italian name, any proof of this?
>>56911562>>56911529The original design was very clearly Italy, but they've changed it because of that, probably because they plan to use Italy in the next mainline game or a future one.
>>56911569Isn't Italy fictional? TPC almost never does Mario crossovers.
>>56911819...wat
>>56911819Burger moment
>>56911528It's an easter egg in the game based on an oriental wine, the surprising thing is that it's actually made with real lizards, Calotes versicolor to be specific. Ironically the juveniles look like Cyclizar with a green color and the adult male looks like Koraidon.
>>56911863
>>56911877There is also a Miraidon version
>>56911569So this confirms G10 as Italy
>>56911863I meant the artwork that looks like a storyboard and concept art
>>56911972Pretty sure the Pyrite Town art is in the artbook that came with the special edition Colosseum guidebook, and I know I've seen that Snattle art before but can't remember where off the top of my head. I'll take a look when I get home from work to confirm.
Original Pasio from the Leaks. Sugimori told them to change it because they might use Italy for a future region and also because "he didn't like their work". Sugimori was basically being an entitled prick, like he did with every sprite that was made and thought he'd alter designs, change colors, etc.
>>56911320So if there are still some cyclizars alive, then they arent extinct
>>56911320I accept this headcanon. Thanks fellow based Orre anon.
>>56912422Oh fuck, the boot is real!
>>56912422I don't see anything wrong with this honestly. The volcano and ice mountain seem a bit out of place, but so do shit in other games too. Seems more like they intend to use Italy soon. Apparently there are big Greece or Phillipines rumors for Gen 10.
>>56912422Fuck GF, from now on I'm going to treat Passio as if it were Pokeitaly, with Altomare included in there!
>>56912422Never let GF and Sugi forget what they took from us
>>56911376Screw James Turner. Bro did nothing for us
>>56911877>>56911896>Lizards make fun juiceFinally, a sensible use to those things.
>>56911320I like Orre
>>56912989Part of that is definitely Baja California/Sonora, and Mexico.
>>56913009Yup it is
>>56912989Shouldn't this be more tilted in a different direction? Considering Phenac is Phoenix, the southeast of Arizona is green, and Mt. Battle is the San Francisco/Flagstaff area?
>>56913009Yeah, the villain's base is based on Angel de la guarda Island, Pyrite town in Sonoyta, Sonora an underground smuggling route, and Gateon Port is in San Felipe, California.
>>56913158>Shouldn't this be more tilted in a different direction?Could you show what you mean because I don't see any other way it could be tilted >Considering Phenac is Phoenix, the southeast of Arizona is green, and Mt. Battle is the San Francisco/Flagstaff area?Stuff doesn't have to line up one to one
>>56913194I always looked at it more like this, though it causes Agate/Mt. Battle to not be Flagstaff like it's supposed to be, but it always made more sense to me this way. Maybe yours is the same way and it's just because Arizona itself is tilted.
>>56911528>>56912211Yeah, it's in the art book that came with this: https://a.co/d/fY6ELg8Gonna look for the other one, but the guide I have for XD is just the one book.
>>56913986Only other special thing in there are these sketches, the rest are 3d renders of the pokemon and major characters. Someone else probably has good scans somewhere online.
>>56911972Snattle I can only find in a tumblr post claiming it was leaked back in 2015 but the twitter source is deleted so who knows.https://www.tumblr.com/latealzalost/651266194000805888/thanks-to-a-previously-overlooked-leak-from-a
>>56913986moars?
>>56912422>South italy is where the bad guy evil castle is placed Kek accurato
>>56911877>>56911896>This mindbreaks the digitigradefags
>>56912771Not really.That's where both Vesuvius (Volcano)and The Theoretical location of Mount Olympus mountian that holds Typhus would be.
>>56913986>>56913233>>56913194>>56913185>>56913185Actually consider South Eastern Arizona.The place where lots of Wild West shit happened.Like the OK Corral, Billy the Kid, and others.And the Main City is actually Tucson not Phoenix.And the Giant Mountain is Mt. Lemmon of the the Tallest Mountains in Arizona Second being Mt. Ord in Northern AZ White Mountains and Mt. Graham of the Pinoleos.
>>56911320>used them to make a strong alcoholWould make more sense for a fruit based pokémon like Cherubi or something.
I don't like Orre just being Arizona. I think it should have elements of other nearby states. Because the US isn't interesting enough to give each state a region. Alola is an exception because it and Hawaii are a series of islands.
>>56917352It's no joke, this alcohol really exists >>56911863I think the creators wanted to parody those strong drinks that existed in the Wild West, but nobody clarified to them that they were just fake names, whereas in Asia it is possible to find alcohol made with snakes, centipedes, or scorpions.
>>56912953James *is* one of us.
>>56917431>>56917317The southern is part of Mexico (Baja California, Sonora, Mar de cortez) and to the west it has part of California, but it is understandable that due to limitations it did not have many locations. If they could make a third game with current technology they could include more elements, such as indigenous tribes, mines, ghost towns, bars and casinos, farms, and a highly technological city.Add to the sparse local fauna (yes, there are wild pokemon in Orre) Mandibuzz, Brambleghast, and MUDDBRAY!
>>56917431Arizona is big enough to be it's own country.Like alot of the United States in the west.>>56917352Arizona has one of the world World Wonder vast deserts but also has Its own Rainforest, Giant mountains, a dormant volcanic field, White Sands, Petrified Forests, Grasslands like Spain even a Lake that crystallizes everything around it with salt.We have the Famous Anasazi Cliff dwellings, Alpine forests, Remnant Plateaus of Pre Ice Age creatures (no mega fauna)Arizona has quite a lot to it that would make for a great region.Orre could be expanded on greatly.
>>56917546
The real reason we don't return to Orre is because no one wants to see it get the standard region treatment. Slap on some gyms, add more pokemon, give it starters and so on.
>>56918139What I want is for it to get a Battle Revolution style game with more content. We've been craving a Battle Frontier since gen 6, just make it a stand alone you can import to, and toss on some story if you must.
>>56911357>>56911376>>56911491>>56911521
>>56918150This would be perfect for me, part of the charm of this region is making the most of its few resources, ironically like the inhabitants of the desert.Just add a couple of locations and a few Pokemon that fit the region
>>56918139With all this information from Masters ex I begin to think that GF plans to make a region based on California and Arizona, hoping that Colosseum and GoD will be erased from the collective memory, that's why they try to erase their existence, but Orrefags stand in their way.
>>56917317>>56917552I would actually love to see an updated Orre post XD. Would be really interesting. >>56918139They could do Legends Orre or something so that it makes more sense thematically. >>56919002We already know the next gen is an archipelago, and they already told Masters that they didn't like their work and to change the region (which was Italy at first), so it's probably Greece/Part of Albania/N. Macedonia) for Gen 10.
>>56918603Notice that BDSP also say a distance land instead of Sinnoh, and that Galar is referred to as Faraway Place. Doesn't mean anything.
>>56918603Would it kill them to use real world locations for stuff caught in Pokemon GO.It's be like saying CAUGHT IN LET'S GO PIKACHU VERSION instead of kanto region, It fucking kills the immersion.
>>56918603Also Kitakami and Blueberry are supposed to be in different regions to Paldea yet it says they are caught in Paldea.
I wonder if someone has a full world map with every single region we've ever had mapped out on it so far, including the forgotten spots of Kalos from the leak now.
>>56911320Orre has no native Pokemon.
>>56919474Incorrect. Orre has at least 9 lines of native Pokemon- Sandshrew, Gligar, Trapinch, Hoppit, Phanpy, Surskit, Zubat, Aron, and Wooper.And a Ho-Oh and Celebi.
>>56919498Those are invasive species, and weren't there in Colosseum.Ho-Oh and Celebi aren't shown to actually live in Orre, and are summoned through various means.
>>56919498and Lugia?
>>56919509Weren't there, or weren't able to be lured out? I would argue that the Pok Spots are 'good enough' locations to draw out the existing, sparse, species, and it was people making it less of a desert shithole that got the 'mon to go out where they could be caught.>>56919512Nah, we don't know where that one's from. Ho-Oh is definitely from Mt. Battle, and Celebi is probably from Agate Village though
>>56919509>Poké Spots (Japanese: ポケスポット Poké Spot) are locations in Orre where wild Pokémon can be battled and caught in Pokémon XD. Since the majority of Orre is a wasteland, it does not have the abundance of wild Pokémon found in other regions and thus Poké Spots are rare, with only three known to exist.Mechanically there was no ability to program wild Pokemon in Colosseum, in-universum exists but they are fucking scarce and the Poke-spots are little known, the only cases of invasive fauna are a munchlax and a bonsly that escape.
>>56919459Red is from all of the gamesGreen are the regions not included or changedYellow is from TCG
>>56919564You could argue that Unova could easily transport Pokemon there too like Krookodile or that various Pokemon would learn to adapt to the desert that naturally already live there. People act like Orre is some desolate wasteland and while usually it is, it can easily be fixed to where things have learned to thrive, or some terraforming project has begun thanks to a recently discovered legendary (could be the new villain team too that is trying to use things to keep things status quo or take control of the land themselves).
>>56919436That's because the game they're tied to as DLC cannot actually BE different to the regions they purport to be from (one of which is clearly not large enough to have a game based off it, the other not even part of the landmass it's associated with and an unknown distance off the coast away from it) to the point they'd need to code an exception for them. It's been 20 years, handle it better. You got played into buying a shit system, just for a shittier home version of Pokémon.
>>56919619Kitakami is Tohoku in Japan, Blueberry Academy is off the coast of Unova. They could easily have them say "Come from a distant land or "Come from Kitakami/Blueberry". It's not about coding an exception from it, it's about GameFreak literally being too lazy to just change a text file for specific Pokemon, they already have the code.
They could easily expand Orre to include the Grand Canyon, it looks like it has grass after all on the Orre Map, or at least the outskirts does (it does in real life in spots after all).
>>56919592The pilgrims thrived in the United States, but are not native to that area.
>>56919768Pilgrims aren't real Ghetsis, they can't hurt you.
>>56917546source/proof plz?
>>56919583You are now aware that Slateport City is Nagasaki and was nuked. Hiroshima has no equivalent currently.
>>56919583add Kitakami, Tohoku
>>56919635>kanto in Johto is fine though, because i was a babyOr it's as I said, they can't code a game coded as a game of origin to share location data.And of course the elephant-sized issue of they NOT wanting to set the game in an already-presented region, thus Kitikami is a buttfuck hick area not important or large enough to be a whole Region unto itself and BBA was in the middle of the ocean, off the coast of a large landmass, because they didn't ACTUALLY want to set it in Unova and it not time to make Unova: the remake you drooling little fuck. You'll get your childhood region redeux. It wasn't meant to happen prior to 2028 however. Hence this bullshit to not actually have to add Unova to the game of origin lists until it's time for their remake.>>56918603
>>56919666I support Satan's idea, it would be a perfect place for a new PokeSpot where you will find flying and river pokemon: Ruflet/Vullaby, Natu, Basculin with a 5% chance of finding a white Basculin, recessive genes, living fossil, invasive fauna, create whatever excuse you want.
>>56919498I love how well thought out their little Dex is, with fauna and Flora well adapted to the desert, even Hoppip.I would have liked them to create two more Pokespots, one on the beach and one in the grassland. In modern times they could include Bouffalant that migrate between Orre and Unova like real bison.
>>56922509>even HoppipBecause it can fly?
>>56922520In part, dandelions in the desert bloom en masse after a scarce rain and formed those structures so that their seeds are spread before dying from the heat.Since tumbleweeds did not yet exist in Pokemon, that was a good option, what is strange is that Cacnea does not appear in Pokespots, perhaps its Pokespot had to be in the middle of the desert.
>>56922551Maybe they only wanted 1 gen 3 Pokemon per spot.
>>56919474>>56919509These two are right, everyone else is just coping.There will never be another Orre game. What we have is perfect, no need to infest it with nuPokemon.
>>56922565Maybe, or they couldn't let the Aggron starve, there just isn't enough metal in those caves. I bet Donphan wouldn't turn down a nice bite of fresh dandelion.Desert dwellers can't be picky
I just want a Fire type Roadrunner as a starter, and I figure a southern state region would be the best option for getting one. I just don't know what kind of jobmon it would be.
>>56922671Mailman
>>56922671But Orre already has Starters, they are a Cacnea, a Numel, or a Seel that are given by Professor Pine
>>56921245NTA, but you realize that Kitikama is basically the equivalent of saying you went to Fuscia and Safari Zone. Of course it's not big enough for it's own region, it's a small subsection of an entire prefecture.
>>56922758
>>56922242They could take it a step further and say that there are strange pockets and areas of the Grand Canyon (like how natives and various conspiracy theorists think) that have special energy for Pokemon keeping ancient ones alive in cave like systems too, like Omanyte (those fossils exist in the grand canyon after all). >>56922509Honestly Orre in general with the technology we have today we be a pretty diverse region in all reality. >>56922758If they had any specific starter it'd prob just be Eevee and you're given a free stone of your choice as the "starter pick".
>>56922790>like how natives and various conspiracy theorists thinkPokearea 51 confirmed
Orre is really interesting if only because of the weirdly insane technology they have without having a formal corporation like Silph co. to back them beyond basic necessities like Pokeballs and Potions. What's even more interesting is that most of their trade relies on the S.S. Libra which is clearly out of commission after the events of XD. What's even more interesting is that there is clearly some type of informal Pokemon League like Alola there considering Michael talks about wanting to start his Pokemon journey (despite there being no official Gym Leaders or Elite 4/Champion), and that they have a Professor there. It's also interesting to note that Shadow Pokemon are not exclusive to this region and have been a concept for a long time, particularly because of Team Rocket, whether that's in TCG, GO, or various other things. So it makes you wonder if Giovanni has a hand in Snag'em technology (in order to steal Pokemon in the first place), or the technology/criminal empire of Orre (considering Giovanni can fucking time travel and cause multiverse shenanigans too).
>>56922725>mailmanThat's far too boring. What, the water starter is going to be a milkman and the grass a baker?
>>56922836Well, they have a gym leader and gym (in the process of approval), as well as the equivalent of a regional champion, Battlus.Regarding technology, I like to think of Orre as the low city of Battle Angel Alita or Meteor City of HunterxHunter, where garbage ends up and is controlled by criminals, so the people of Orre had to learn to exploit the scrap that comes to them from other regions in order to survive.
>>56922847Anon, that's racist ....grass is a gerdener
>>56923081>Meteor CityOur Gen'ei Ryodan
>>56922807I had a crazy idea I wanna see if I can get it drawn.
>>56923142Well what is it? >>56923087Still boring.
>>56923265That Elegyem and Behehem are just special armor and instead the real pokemon is a small white ayy like Say hairless Hatterene and others like her.
>>56923081I always viewed Battles/Somek as more of the Battle Frontier/Pyramid Leader than the Champion, but I suppose he fits both criteria.
>>56923317Ayy lmao
>>56923403Neat idea yeah?
>>56923317I was expecting something like this with its exoskeleton in full mothership mode, but that idea was already used with the Galarian Ladybug, so now I expect an evolution that imitates a human.Yes, Beheeyem already had elements of MIB, but definitely due to its size, color, and proportions it did not pass for a human, this fakemon evo with some touch-ups could pass for the silhouette of a mysterious adult human, playing with the concept of aliens infiltrating human society.
>>56923504It's a Mewtwo in a suit
This is how a GameFreak Orre would probably look, especially taking how they look and their generalized location in games, meaning places would certainly switch, obviously you can move certain things around like Snagem/Cipher and so on.
>>56922836You are now aware that hover bikes are likely based off Miraidon, which raises further questions on OP's entire topic in the first place, and the existence of Paradox/Future/Past Pokemon as well. Obviously, they had no idea when they made Colosseum/XD that they'd be a thing, and obviously GF didn't pay any attention to those games when making SV, but it is interesting. Especially when you factor in that Miraidon and Koraidon will appear in future games, as well as probably the other Paradox Pokemon, meaning that they must exist elsewhere without shenanigans. Miraidon may be actually local if we're using some logic to Orre and went Extinct, so they made Hoverbikes to get around instead.
>>56923588Great job anon!
>>56923733Appreciate it, what's interesting, if you match it up, and tilt Orre properly, they aren't that different. Distance is an issue, but that is an thing in every game for common sense reasons.
>>56922763No, because fushia and the safari zone are parts of Kanto, a game-sized region. Kitikami is a small agricultural territory sandwiched up against Sinnoh. You can easily tell, as Fushia (which is a city) has a gym which is part of the local Regional league, Kitikami hasn't even got a regional league, much less a city to hold one.Because again, they were adding it to compliment SV, not try and pretend it was supposed to be its own thing added onto SV.
>>56912422>start new game>open character creator>the default female is Gio
>>56919583Where was Holon supposed to be?
>>56924164Kitikami is a small part of an entire region, nor is it even touching Sinnoh.
>>56924167Cute>>56924184Holon is The Phillipines, TCG are the Central/South American areas on that map the anon posted
>>56924164>>56924203Pokemon Colosseum/XD are the ones that came up with the concept and GameFreak liked it so they used it. It's not about whether the region is canon or not. It's about whether it's met in a region that is not defined in its current game. It is similar to Faraway place, but for regions instead of locations.For instance, Kitakami is "a distant land" because it's region is not properly defined or mentioned. Blueberry Academy is a location, and therefore "a faraway place", because it is not part of Unova, nor is it big enough to be a region.
>>56924210>Holon is The Phillipinesreally?what's the connection there?
>>56924244If I recall correctly it has to do with Mt. Pulag, the Sand Dunes, T'boli. I think one of the Latias cards has a pretty similar geography in its background to the T'boli coastline in The Phillipines specifically for instance.
>>56924269neat, thanks anon
>>56923588>>56923846Too much green, needs more sand.
>>56924284One is based on the actual topography which has a lot more desert grasslands than just pure sand and dirt. The other is Orre itself. I do think that anon could have done a bit better of a job in displaying it, but it's a bit hard to do so. Either way, he made it pretty clear that the two aren't that different in reality, the actual Orre is just squished down.
If Orre is so bad for some of you anons, make your own america region then, go on, post'em.
>>56924378I did a few years back, for PTU. Shame there's not a system for Pokemon that's current or I'd go back and update it.It was a big tcg reference, too.
>>56924167cute freckles
>>56924378here, made in 30 seconds with the power of uncaring attitude, enjoy gen 3 colorado/ute.
>>56924203Well at least it makes more sense that a bear from Hokkaido would swim to the shores of Tohoku.
>>56924652eww
>>56924691I mean to be fair, an Ursaring could have traveled north from Johto and just happened to evolve as well. It was probably transported over a boat, or maybe it's just native to Northern Japan.
>>56924698Every battle is a Triple Battle and all encounters are Hordes as well in the East. In the west they're all Triple Aerial Battles.
>>56924378I had made this years ago, a region based on Albania.
>>56919509They are not invasive spiecies. Orre having Pokemon was a retcon.
>>56924378stole this from the internet
>>56924378I am!I'm making my own region based off of my home state Michigan and the rest of the Great Lakes region. I'm slowly working on it - the release of SV has thrown a bit of a wrench in my ideas. (It was going to have a school rivalry to mimic Michigan vs State and weird pokemon pulled from alternate timelines.) But I've finally figured out my starters! They're based off of native american myths and the Three A's.Athletics is represented by Underwater Panther. Starts off as a cute little cat that evolves into a lacrosse/baseball player and then into a warrior. Arts is based off of Grandmother Spider and the myths where she steals the sun for mankind. She is a dancer. Academics is based off of Crows in native american myths. Specifically the one where they steal the sun, moon and stars. I'm struggling really hard with the design but IT is a little astronaut bird. I even have names for them and their evos!
>>56925256Poor Texas. >>56925258Godspeed on your creation anon.
>>56924378Not murrcan but since Game Freak know Ireland exists as separate to Britain, my own proposal for an Ireland region.
>>56925256Doug Dimmadome ass looking region.
>>56924652>>56924992>straight path
>>56924409Screw it. Here. An old version I dug out.
>>56925359To be fair I made that Albania one many years ago, and the intent was to start in Tirana and have a sort of open world aspect, where you could go anywhere and weren't hindered, able to do the gyms in any order. But yeah, it definitely could have used more routes and branching paths for sure.
>>56925297Thanks!I might be bad at drawing, kinda slow at creating fakemon, and have to come up with a whole bunch of new gimmicks but I'm having a lot of fun.
>>56925372Damn Kentucky/Tennessee became American Atlantis.
>>56925388As they deserve
>>56925394You just created Redneck Team Aqua, controlling middle america with their drunken meth fueled escapades.
>>56925402I needed something to have stop Walt Disney's Frozen Head.
>>56925409Memes aside, it would actually be really interesting as far as world building goes. >Arizona is a barren wasteland more so than it already is>Kentucky/Tennessee have massive flooding from Kentucky Lake/Lake BarkleyCould do other things like, California being burned down in a lot of places, Oklahoma is a wasteland thanks to Tornadus, Dakotas are volcanic hellholes, etc.
>>56925359Most of the regions have straight paths anon, doesn't mean you can't loop around or a region isn't design to be visited in specific orders or ways.
>>56925419Yeah, that was kind of a part of it, along with wanting somewhere for more freshwater 'mon, since it's so much swamp and saltwater. Disney is an ice specialist though.
>>56925441Who would the other Gym Leaders be?
>>56925379Fakemon are definitely the hardest part, but I believe in you anon.
>>56925451Checking my notes, I've got a few things like a fire gym in not-New Orleans, a dockworker running a fighting gym, a casino of a normal gym, and a few more. I tried to keep most of the memeing to a minimum.
>>56925486Sounds pretty good honestly.
>>56922847Nah, New Vegas had the player character start off as a courier, there's plenty of ways to make delivering packages into an interesting enough concept for a starter pokemon. Especially in Orre, where a pokemon used to make deliveries would have to be tough enough to defend the valuable cargo from bandits and navigate the difficult desert/mountain/canyon terrain. Might be a better fit for a mule with saddlebags for cargo and a gun turret (giant revolver for that wild west aesthetic maybe, though I doubt that would fly for a real pokemon) for defense than it would be for a roadrunner though.
>>56924378Not America, but I threw this together real quick. An island Mongolia basically. The bigger red dots would be gyms/major areas, the smaller ones are dungeons are points of interest. Probably could have added more, but I made it in the style of SwSh/SV with it being more open world.
Orrefag bump.
I wanna surf in the lake so bad bros.
>>56911341Orre will never be acknowledged in the main series because of copyright/royalty issues. Even though they half-own Genius Sonority there's reason to suspect they either don't want to split royalty payments at all, or GS's contract with the scenario writer didn't have the writer surrender all their ideas as 'intellectual property' of GS (or TPC).
>>56925256>Texas A&M as Championbooooo
>>56925256Reminds me of The First Bad Man.
>>56928984I would think twice, anonA mafia boss released Hippopotas a few years ago in Orre
>>56929652
>>56918603So if I catch a Pidgey from Kanto route 1, but it's in HGSS, it'll say it's from Johto? That's fucking stupid.
>>56929724Yep. The correct way to do this would be if every individual location had an index number and then every region had a list of index numbers that correspond to it. The index number and region number could then be used to look up the names in a string table and populate the text to say specifically where it was caught/hatched in which region. If more locations are added to a region in a remake or sequel or whatever then those locations' index numbers just need to be added to that region's list in future games. The game index could still be used for those symbols so you know which game it came from without getting confusing or breaking the immersion the way just saying it was caught in hgss vs gsc would.
>>56911341Technically Orre still has exclusive ribbons/titles, so that might be the best we get.
>>56930685The ribbon is grandfathered in, but I was genuinely surprised they got a title in swsh. Part of me even hoped we'd get gamecube virtual console with Colosseum and XD getting Home support.
>>56931270Huh. I forgot about the Orre ribbons, and seeing what titles they give. Neat.
>>56931270>Part of me even hoped we'd get gamecube virtual console with Colosseum and XD getting Home support.SOON
>>56929013This is the most likely answer for why it'll never truly be acknowledged beyond simple things such as titles/ribbons and so on.
>>56928984I'm surprised how good it looks for the time.
>>56911320Literally me
>>56934059SOON?
>>56934200It wasn't made by GF, that's why.
>>56934314I don't understand why Game Freak is still so bad at this. 3d is hard, as someone who's worked on games before I'll fully admit to being completely filtered by Direct3d and multiple attempts to learn blender have gone nowhere past a few low poly meshes with basic textures. But I'm one person trying to find my path to making something I love as BOTH a front and back end dev, they're spearheading a billion dollar franchise and can afford to hire anyone they want or get training on anything they'd like to use as well as the equipment and software for all their devs to use it. There's no way they can't see that >>56934200 is the ugliest game they've ever made, and swsh with it's complete lack of consistency in style is close behind. All they need is like 3 optimization specialists to comb through the engine so it doesn't slow to a crawl the moment something interesting is on screen, an environment texture artist who's portfolio consists of more than flat colors with some noise generation, and an art director with standards. We know they can make a game look nice in 3d because xy looks pretty good and lgpe is graphically polished, but somehow you remove the grid and it all falls apart for them.
>>56928984It was a waste not to be able to use a fishing rod there, there was no need to animate more just use the rod in an area near water and when it moves enter battle mode, the same in areas with a body of water:Pokespot Oasis: Swamp fauna.Lotad, Yanma, Polywrath, CroconawAgate Village: A waterfall with varied faunaWhiscash, Polywrath, Gyarados, Teddiursa, Feebas, MarillRelic cave: An ancient underground aquiferRelicanth, Cradily, ArmaldoPhenac City: Artificial fountains with introduced ornamental faunaGoldeen, Psyduck, Farfetch'd, Corpish, Volbeat/IllumiseKaminko's house: It has a small fountain that would be occupied by amphibians and birds that can flee when the secret gate opens.Poliwrath, Farfetch'dGateon Port: A seaport surrounded by a large amount of Fauna that follows ships or was accidentally introduced.Tentacool, Wingull, Clamperl, Horsea, Spheal, Staryu, Lapras, Corsola, Remoraid, Chinchou, ShellderCipher Key Lair: A toxic lake created by the waste from the Shadow Pokemon factory.Arbok, Seviper, Swallot, GrimmerCitadark island: A volcanic island in the middle of a stormy sea.Qwilfish, Carvanha, Wailmer, Seel, Mantine, Delibird, DragoniteCitadark (magma river): Slugma or Magmar as an easter egg could be used in a magma river, but only once and this would eliminate your fishing rod.There shouldn't be a problem, all these Pokemon are programmed into the game, perhaps this would have been fixed in a third installment with a greater number of poke spots or hunting areas.
>>56934985Its not that they're bad at it, its that they're not actively trying. They're ripping assets from various other games over the years and just putting them in to cut costs and save time, that and they spend what seems to be 3/4 of their development just designed trainers, pokemon, region, etc. than actually building the game.
>>56929652I would like to see them make a spiritual sequel set in the Australian desert with Bandai Namco Studios, so there wouldn't be any legal issues.Also, with only a few locations and few Pokemon, the studio could show off with the graphics. The story would revolve around poachers and rangers who protect the scarce fauna, the new gimmick is that you must capture invasive fauna and after hunting a certain number you must take them in a truck to one of the different ports or airports depending on their region of origin, so you must manage your fuel and the number of trips, routes, as well as defend yourself from bandits who will chase you along the way, the main plot will revolve around discovering who is creating new Shadow Pokemon. The Regional Dex would be small but it would give Kangaskhan, Heliodisk, Komala, and Krokodile their moment to shine.
>>56935282Evil Team
>>56934985Gateon, home
>>56935282I'd be down for this. It'd still never happen, but it's a lot more plausible than a return to Orre at this point.
>>56935282>>56937212I had a similar idea, but set in Tiksi and inspired by The Thing and Mountain of madness using the UBs
>>56935282That'd be amazing, but it won't happen, yeah.
>>56935282Actually a cool idea. Its an interesting take on an Australian region I haven't heard before. As a resident of said country I'd enjoy it.A colosseum styled game world map would work better for Australia rather than an open world one. Could actually use the whole country instead on one state/territory instead then.
>>56939890>Could actually use the whole country instead on one state/territory instead then.It would make sense, using the most important cities as locations and adding some important points in the middle of the desert, like Oasis or historical points.Even as a simile to the 3 beasts, Ho-Oh and Lugia, we could have the 3 Galarian birds due to the cultural connection of Australia and England, keeping Celebi, I remember it was mentioned that it had some inspiration from an Australian mythical being.I would also add Kyogre and Groudon, I don't know, their aesthetics remind me of Australia.
>>56940714G. Zapdos and Doduo were born for that region, and would be perfect to add to Duno the lonely Kiwi Pokemon.
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>>56940791Doduno would be better, to keep the pun of the Doduo, Dodrio line.
>>56940791>>56940823I'm sure the reason we don't have this yet is because it's too obvious and they have a dumb obsession with surprising the player to the point of detriment, but I still want it.
>>56911341I hate this retarded spouting. Half of Colosseum's devs now work at Game Freak. And even aside from that, they have no reason to hate it. You shitposters just project your own fanboy bitching onto companies and developers to satisfy stupid false narratives you create in your own head so you can get mad at them.
>>56919431Saying "Caught in Frankfort, Kentucky" isn't a whole lot less immersion breaking.
>>56941760Not really, Go is supposed to be the link between our world and the pokemon world, so saying it was caught in a real world place would both tell you it's from Pokemon Go and fit right in with saying a pokemon was caught somewhere in ultra space or route 5 Kanto. Especially if they insist on carrying on with removing references to the pokemon world being the real world like changing Surge's nickname and Mew's dex entries.
>>56941330It's funny, the pre-revolution "canon" of GF is a polycephalous bird fused with its nest.I admit that it is more original, but less cute, nothing compares to a small and fluffy kiwi.
>>56944230why does it lose and then regain a head?
>>56944245"i don't want to go, mr stark, please i don't ...
>>56944230>>56944245It's probably burrowed into the fur hiding. Also that's why they got rid of it.
>>56944287>When multiple queen cells have been provisioned in a colony, the first queen to emerge will seek, sting, and kill her sister queens before they ...
So where do you see Orre a few years after XD? What's changed? How much has the environment improved? Is there a league outside of the Colosseums?
>>56944512I imagine a league was eventually made with Mt. Battle acting as the E4/Victory Rd. I also gotta imagine they probably suffered a bit without the S.S. Libra for importing until they got it rebuilt. The biggest thing is they would probably become leading experts on Shadow Pokemon and technological advancements. The real issue is whether they end up with criminal enterprises still using Snag'em Balls.
I think a cool dex for Orre in the totally impossible pipe dream scenario that we got a new game and it became a full main series region would be if all the new pokemon were babies, evolutions, and branches to existing lines. It'd be a nice callback to how the region didn't have it's own pokemon and relied on imports of previously known pokemon from other regions, and fit with the lore of hardy species surviving despite the harsh conditions and adapting to their new environment similar to regional forms.Things like >>56940791 / >>56940823 - what better way to adapt to scarce food than to have babies with fewer mouths to feed while they're young and vulnerable? Or an evolution for mandibuzz based on a bearded vulture (pic related) a bird known for dropping bones from up high to crack them open so they can eat the marrow inside and dying its feathers with the red clay in the ground around their habitat, though irl they're found in Africa, they'd fit right in a harsh desert setting with canyons and cliffs like Orre. What better time to add a new eeveelution than in a game returning to a region that previously gave you exclusively eevees as starters? Maybe the waters around Citadark Isle are sharpedo infested and Cipher's arificial storm generation caused them to evolve into a bigger, stronger, faster type of shark to better maneuver in the turbulent waves.
>>569445121 word: MILFOVRINA
>>56944512Alternate future where Shadow Lugia was never purified ..........and is now a proud mother
>>56944855iirc, while gsc was pretty vauge on the details, there was an episode of the anime that implied the red gyarados was a normal, non-shiny magikarp that mutated when it evolved due to the radio waves team rocket was using to force evolution. Perhaps something similar was the case with XD001 in that forcing it to become a shadow pokemon made it change into Galarian lugia, and that's just what lugia from that region naturally look like no heart closing or genetic manipulation involved.
>>56944512Champion Miror B.
>>56946620This yt sista finna make me act upon god
>>56946620Mambo, Funky, what will be his new theme?my money on 80s pop
>>56944683Braviary already had its regional in old Poké Hokkaido, an extinct regional Mandibuzz would not be bad.My proposal is a Californian Condor or an Andean Condor of ice type, with an ability similar to automatic Shell Smash where the first hit only breaks her ice armor and taking half the damage, this decreases her defense, but increases her speed.She would nest on the highest peak of a mountain, the only point with snow in the entire region, she would patrol the region from great heights to stay close to cold currents, only coming down when she finds prey or carrion, her time is limited before the heat melts her armor and leaves her vulnerable, her chicks become experts in building igloos and snowball wars due to the great time they spend alone on the snowy mountain.It sounds silly, but I think it fits with the Pokemon spirit of mixing fantasy and reality, like the ice Ninetales and Sandslash in a tropical region or the Corsolas living in a dry sea on land.
>>56947450Visually, her design would be based on Inuits, with her neck plumage being able to be put on and taken off like a hood and ice armor that includes Inuit glasses to search for her prey without being bothered by the light reflected in the sand, perhaps even an ice spear that she holds with her paws or an ice-armored beak.
The next vulture pokémon I want it to turn into a Nagpa or Skesis.
>>56947530>>56947450That's really cool too! I'd go with a spearhead shaped beak made of ice, even with cartoony wings/feathers that act more like hands/fingers flying with a weapon in hand would be awkward and carrying it in her feet would make it awkward to use and seem kind of redundant given she'd already have sharp talons right there.>>56946814As a metalhead, something similar to Judas Priest or Twisted Sister would be fun. Goes hard, very flashy aesthetic, a bit controversial/revolutionary in their day, but not so over the top it'd be intolerable to a general audience that's not really into it.
>genius sonority leak never everI have game design questions damn it!I remember hearing somewhere that since Colosseum was such a short game with relatively few battles they tweaked the ai of every trainer individually, not just bosses. Was there any truth to this? Were more areas planned and scrapped early on due to the technical limitations or did they go into it with the smaller scope in mind? Why did they make one of the Hexagon Brothers brown instead of orange (though technically brown is just a dark orange anyways) to fit their rainbow theme? Why did they choose the region they did? Was it contrast with the wet and tropical Hoenn, or maybe just a random place they thought was cool yet not popular enough to be stepping on gf's toes in the future? Did they ever toy with the idea of snag balls looking different? I wanna know!
>>56950464That brown-orange is about equal with the other shades on the color wheel in terms of placement. They're all muted colors, it just so happens that with Orange, muting it makes it appear browner quicker than say Yellow does. Some of the art direction was done with deserts in mind as well as the music, so they based it on Arizona, so it would have a wild west and mature feel to it in comparison with criminals. That was mostly the reason, mostly yes, they just thought it was cool. Funny enough there isn't a lot of scrapped and unused content between the games, the most you'll get is areas in Colosseum are still present in XD to an extent, especially with the Pyrite Town caves. And no, trainer AI is largely the same across the board, especially when it comes to Ghost Pokemon/Misdreavus, it's pretty broken actually where they'll continue to use Fighting/Normal Type moves for instance.
>>56918603Dont Colosseum/XD have a special ribbon?
