>>56935305
>Based
Me
>Cringe
You

>>56935305
You forgot there are too many shitmon that are not only bad but have terrible designs
Still love gen 3 though

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>>56935315
>Based
You, referring to me
>Cringe
Me, referring to you

>>56935305
>>One of the most pathetic rivals in the entire series
May wrecks shit under the bridge

>>56935337
no she doesn't. play the game instead of watching speedruns.

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>>56935327
Calling them shitmons is a roundabout way of admitting that you're too retarded to beat a literal children's game without spamming the most shit available. Git gud, zoomie.

>>56935305
>me being terrible at the game means pokemon can't be used to their full potential

>>56935337
may IS shit under the bridge

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>>56935305
>>Improved EV and IV
>Based

>>56935347
Shitmon is an objectively correct way to call pokemon that have very little use in battle and you need to spend extra time with to get them to be useful
Doesn't mean you can't since all it takes is grinding, but it's time consuming and can be boring
Stop nitpicking to defend the bloat gen 3 experienced

>>56935341
i am the speedrunner, bitch. ive played the game 10000× more than you.

>>56935365
List off those of the RSE roster who you consider to be shitmons and we'll discuss

>>56935372
then play the game properly instead of speedrunning

>>56935305
>>Original Ruby and Sapphire are very glitchy
not really, at least no compared to earlier entries
>>Because of the lack of the physical/special split, many Pokémon introduced in this generation, like Breloom, Sharpedo, and Absol, can't be used to their full potential
Its not the split's fault. Gen 3 mons sucked before the split sucked after the split too and needed Gen 6 to bailed them out with Mega Privilege
>.Started the trend of legendary Pokémon being the main focus of the plot
this is niether good nor bad in on itself, What matter is excustion and I think Gen 3 did a good job with it.

>>56935305
>can't be used to their full potential
that's not a bad thing
No Physical/Special split is a balancing tool which prevents Pokemon from being too strong.

>>56935327
>there are too many shitmon that are not only bad but have terrible designs
that's false
>>56935347
this

>>56935305
>>Started the trend of legendary Pokémon being the main focus of the plot
That's bad because?

>>56935405
>Gen 3 mons sucked before the split
no they didn't

>>56935435
because johtoddies say it is, which gives them a talking point to divert attention away from gen pwo's plot

>>56935422
no, it's a product of technical limitations in gen 1.
and gamefreak agrees, because they changed it in the very next generation and never looked back.

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>>56935305
>too much water
Hoenn's sea is literally pure unfiltered pokesovl and it's not even half the total game area and if it was it more would be totally fine because the theme is fucking land and sea and kyogre is a hyperchad

>>56935467
now type that without crying

>>56935305
>pathetic rivals

I like Wally? His final theme slaps and it’s neat seeing someone with permanent lung cancer actually make something of himself. Also he helped popularize Gardevoir

>>56935482
he's cool, i wish he had appeared more than 3 times in total in the whole game though

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>>56935467
>tfw remembering mirage island
Nah gen 3 was peak

>>56935449
>they changed it in the very next generation and never looked back
and the balance has been worse than gen iii's ever since

>>56935471
Projecting

>>56935482
>he helped popularize Gardevoir
nobody cared about Wally having Gardevoir

if anything that was PMD, but everyone was already aware of how strong and easy Gardevoir was to obtain; it didn't need shilling beyond its dex entries

>>56935521
no it hasn't

>>56935529
I disagree. Gardevoir being the ace of one of the two rivals in gen 3 definitely helped it out

>>56935530
the balance in Gens IV -- VI is significantly worse than in Gen III

>>56935442
whats wrong with gen 2s plot?

>>56935540
"May" and Wally aren't real rivals and nobody has ever discussed them in the same vein as the other three.
Also the rest of his team is random shit anyway too, so hardly anyone cared even doubly so.

>>56935544
no it isn't

>>56935467
t. Archie

>>56935521
>source: my ass
We're never going back to the stone age faggot. Smogon doesn't even bother having an alternative metagame without the split because the idea of just arbitrarily invalidating mons screwed over by their stats and typing while keeping others intact is evidently stupid to anyone with anyone with half a brain. You lost retard and always be a faggot loser

>>56935560
Basically, you have Team Rocket trying to revive itself. But that's all supposed to culminate in an impassioned, feeble cry for Giovanni's return to the gang. First of all, he disbanded Team Rocket in RBY / FrLg himself, and never stated an intention to return or regroup.

Second, they were able to perpetrate some activities well enough on their own without Giovanni, so their stated need for him shows extreme delusion on their part---you either admit this is bad writing on GF's part or else you have to accept that Team Rocket is severely diminished as a threat as a result of this.

Speaking of Team Rocket being a threat, the third point is that Team Rocket accomplishes nothing of significance in the entirety of the plot. The height of their criminal enterprise was taking over the radio tower, and they completely squander this opportunity by, again, making a useless call for Giovanni to come back and lead the gang---why would he even be listening in at that specific broadcast? Why would they need to make a public announcement that had a high chance of failure instead of continuing to seek him out privately? The game lampshades this entirely.

As a matter of fact, the fourth (or fifth point, if you will), is that HGSS retcons the Kanto games' endings through the Celebi event, by having Giovanni holed up in a cave just waiting for Team Rocket to call him back---again, even after he personally called it quits, and even despite him having been perfectly capable of returning to Team Rocket at any point before this. So this retcon makes no sense, and is used as a poor excuse to have a Giovanni cameo and battle (which is unsatisfying anyway since his team is shit and you're postgame levels by now).

>>56935566
yes it is

>>56935577
gen 3 ou is currently 3x+ more played than each post-split old gen ou except gen 7 ou, including gen 4 ou

>>56935589
no it isn't

>>56935583
>Basically, you have Team Rocket trying to revive itself. But that's all supposed to culminate in an impassioned, feeble cry for Giovanni's return to the gang. First of all, he disbanded Team Rocket in RBY / FrLg himself, and never stated an intention to return or regroup.

I have little nostalgia for gen 2 being a gen 3 guy myself, but I actually think Neo Rocket displaying such loyalty to Giovanni is sort of weirdly tragic and touching. They are washed up like you said, but enough thugs still believe in the cause to try a reboot. There’s something weirdly sad about that isn’t there?

>>56935422
>No Physical/Special split is a balancing tool which prevents Pokemon from being too strong.
Is that Mewtwo gets to use its Psychic STAB?

>>56935589
>second place among legacy formats
Incredible. Guess z-moves were the best thing that ever happened happened pokemon then. It's played because it's a past gen that wasn't even more obtusely primitive than the original two generations. Smogon has a myriad of alternate formats and most are way more complicated to implement than just making all moves of a type physical or special. But no one wants to do that because the only people that try to rationalize the split being bad are mentally frustrated retards on chinese cartoon forums

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>>56935643
>second place among legacy formats
you misread

gen 3 ou is and has been for many months the most played old gen ou

what was actually written was that gen 7 ou is only *half* as popular as it, rather than a third like the others

>It's played because it's a past gen that wasn't even more obtusely primitive than the original two generations
that makes zero sense because 2+ years ago it wasn't even top 3 most played; and also, the first two are and have always been the least played

>the only people that try to rationalize the split being bad are mentally frustrated retards on chinese cartoon forums
non sequitur

>>56935693
if gen 3 is truly more balanced than what came after it, shouldn't it have been consistently active from its release until now? having a sudden recent spike lines up a lot more with the thing people say every time this gets brought up: some big youtuber made a video on the format and started a fad

>>56935629
Can't you see? It clearly stops pokemon with one of the best defensive typings in the game and insane bulk from being the absolute king of two generations by giving it STAB physical Hyper-Beam and Self-Destruct

>>56935618
that would be the case if they actually had impressive plans, and thus demonstrate that all they are missing is a strong central leader, but every single venture they attempt is harebrained, which is indicative of them being a fundamentally doomed enterprise perpetuated by incompetent morons, in addition to remaining morally reprehensible (which even Giovanni walked away from [in GSC]).

>>56935629
>>56935720
>Is that Mewtwo gets to use its Psychic STAB?
no, it's because it's a box legendary, which are designed to be overpowered

maybe use your pea brain every now and then

>>56935305
>>Because of the lack of the physical/special split, many Pokémon introduced in this generation, like Breloom, Sharpedo, and Absol, can't be used to their full potential
In-game it doesn't matter. In competitive I think if you go to fanfic tournies and not solely laddering you can use weird shit and still be successful.
>>No woman with big boobs
FLANNERY YOU FAGGOT

>>56935305
>Because of the lack of the physical/special split, many Pokémon introduced in this generation, like Breloom, Sharpedo, and Absol, can't be used to their full potential
You are approaching this the wrong way. A Pokemon's full potential is how well it is in its current form. You could just as easily say
>because Bullet Punch doesn't exist yet and Scizor can't learn in it can't be used to its full potential
but that wouldn't make sense. You can't judge Pokemon by how they changed later in the series.

>>56935713
>if gen 3 is truly more balanced than what came after it, shouldn't it have been consistently active from its release until now?

1) its first simulator was inaccurate and a windows executable
2) the games don't have wifi let alone a gts
3) there weren't many actual competitive pokemon organizations, these were niche to begin with, and none of them made it a policy to play pokemon pure
4) competitive pokemon as a genre and e-sport wasn't "discovered" and appreciated until gen iv due to obscurity of the mechanics and the literal immaturity of the playerbase
5) gen v killed the momentum gen iv generated, which further delayed adv revival
6) the successor simulator wasn't designed to accomodate gen iii
7) pokemon showdown was still niche in the early and mid 2010s and even then most people defaulted to the assumption that old Pokemon was done and finished and there was no reason to seek out playing it, so they stuck to whatever was current gen
8) in addition, nobody was pushing for gen 3 so it remained obscure at this time

it wasn't until the turn of the decade that gen 3 ou started receiving increasing attention because of select innovative strategies taking over the metagame and breaking through to the mainstream---baton pass fullpass, sand veil sand teams, and so on---that people started awakening to the possibility that gen 3's full potential was more than anyone could imagine

because if gligar could be viable, then what else??

Competitive Pokemon as a whole got a very slow start, and because of recency bias it took even longer for pre-Youtube gens to start being reexamined / reevaluated, and their own merit recognized. It also didn't become practical to play them until way after debut.

>>56935713
>shouldn't it have been consistently active from its release until now?
Not necessarily. When Brawl came out people moved on from Melee, but after the hype wore off people tricked back into Melee when it was apparent it was the better game. It's the same with Gen 3.

>>56935729
Snorlax is a box legendary? Getting a little worked up there?

>>56935773
>baton pass
>sand veil
Isn't that banned?

>>56935784
Says the person who erroneously called Snorlax the king of 2 generations. I barely read your post and gave you the benefit of the doubt by subconsciously assuming you wouldn't have typed out something so asinine.

>>56935780
>When Brawl came out people moved on from Melee, but after the hype wore off people tricked back into Melee when it was apparent it was the better game. It's the same with Gen 3.
yeah, but it didn't take them two decades to do so like with gen 3

>>56935792
not back then

it was because of them being used to great success back then that they went on to get banned and restricted, which case prevails today

>>56935780
>a tiny fraction of players went back to their safe space therefore it was the better game
lol

>>56935800
But then if they're banned Gligar isn't really good anymore so your point about innovative strategies kinda falls flat doesn't it

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>>56935793
>I barely read your post and gave you the benefit of the doubt by subconsciously assuming you wouldn't have typed out something so asinine.
imagine typing this and thinking it makes you look like anything other than a colossal dipshit

>>56935797
there were just three ssb games to choose from back then

by the time showdown! was well known (gen vii), there were 7

>>56935814
he's making his argument up as he goes along, dude can't cope with the fact that gen 3 OU is a fad, comp has always been shit, pokemon has never been balanced, and the physical/special split was a clear improvement.

>>56935793
We're talking about the grown man's game, we always have been, not playground battles in 1999. Man, it must embarassing to type like that much of a faggot and then be wrong.

>>56935814
no, you missed the point, and that makes no sense whatsoever

the point specifically there was that it was a tremendous example of the promise gen iii ou had, thus inspiring more people to pick it up; that it got banned doesn't matter whatsoever for this purpose

>>56935836
you should seethe harder zoomie

>>56935844
be wrong about what?
go on
>type like that much of a faggot
I'm sorry you couldn't get into a college

>>56935836
i mean he has actual points to you being mad
if his argument is so bad you could just give counterexamples but you don't even seem to want to do that

>>56935815
Nuchannel is literally plebbit, posts like that are sadly par for the course at this point

>>56935854
>>56935898
case in point

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>>56935327
>shitmon
>its just below average

>>56935921
what, you proving >>56935898's point?

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>>56935773
Any other interesting strats in gen 3 that weren't banned? The usage stats don't seem like they'd reflect it that well

>>56935347
NTA but you literally complained in the OP about pokemon like absol not reaching their full potential. That is basically a similar complaint to calling pokemon shitmon

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>>56935305
>No woman with big boobs
Flannery has a great rack!

>>56935305
>135 new Pokémon
There should've been more old mons if the new mons were going to be so redundant. We seriously didn't need both Zigzagoon/Poochyena or actual dex shitter content like Grumpig or Clamperl. It's also the game that started getting really convoluted with evolution methods like Shedinja. I think this aspect needed more foresight
>Abilities
Good
>Natures
Good
>Improved EV and IV
EVs are good. IVs unironically ruined the game
>One of the most iconic Pokémon in the entire series
Doesn't hold a candle to some later inclusions like Lucario, Greninja or Mimikyu
>May
Every redesign made her worse
>Battle Frontier
Too much of a spike in difficulty but should've been a post-game standard
>Regi trio - best legendaries in terms of the way to obtain them
Personally the biggest issue with them is that they're listed before the box art trio in the Dex. They shouldn't have had blatant gaps like that and should have just been a solid mystery to feel like Mythicals you actually COULD obtain in-game instead of doubling down on that cringe mechanic
>Trick House
Whatever

>Original Ruby and Sapphire are very glitchy
All Pokemon games are glitchy, the fact you can write arbitrary code execution in FRLG still is baffling
>Because of the lack of the physical/special split, many Pokémon introduced in this generation, like Breloom, Sharpedo, and Absol, can't be used to their full potential
This is the biggest issue with the games as a whole and why RSE fall into a valley of mediocrity between the Old Gen and DS-onward
>No woman with big boobs
They added one in ORAS and you all hated her
>Started the trend of legendary Pokémon being the main focus of the plot
Which stems from the fact the original plot was just going to be a shittier Team Rocket story so I'm not surprised they overhauled it and yet it still ended up pretty undercooked
>One of the most pathetic rivals in the entire series
This is true
>Too much water
And these are why the games are irredeemable

>>56935945
It depends on the specificity of the meaning "strats".

Baton Pass is still legal and being innovated on a monthly basis.

There are no "sand teams" per se anymore.

There is a team style named "superman" which seeks to use 4 +/-1 mons immune to spikes, which has a mindboggling amount of variety.

Hard Stall is widely considered unviable, so ironically it would be very intriguing to see it seriously attempted.

Currently "special offense" is all the rage which is a team style designed to spam powerful special attackers with the help of Dugtrio to eliminate Blissey.

People have been trying to make rain teams work.

Other than that, there aren't really interesting team styles currently trending. Nothing comes close to peak baton pass and sand veil, in my opinion.

However, if you're looking for "tactics", let's say, then there are more examples to be named, but how intriguing you personally find them is relative and sometimes dependant upon your familiarity with competitive Pokemon as a whole as well as gen 3 ou in particular.

For example, using an offensive Skarmory with HP Ground in order to prevent it from getting trapped by Magneton like other Skarmory.

Or, using a lead Glalie in order to guarantee at least 1 spike for your team in a way no other lead spiker can.

>>56935975
>This is the biggest issue with the games as a whole
how is it an issue if they still ended up viable??

>>56935942
case in point

>>56935988
would you say gen 3 is more innovative than other gens currently?

>>56936114
I don't have sufficient knowledge of Gen 9 OU, Gen 8 OU, Gen 7 OU, or Gen 6 OU to say anything about them definitively.

With respect to Gen 2 OU, it probably has the most distinctive alternate move choices of any gen I know:
>Dynamic Punch
>Thief
>Nightmare
>Growl
>Screech
>Light Screen & Reflect
>Zap Cannon
>Sunny Day
>Present
I'd say that there is no other gen that has demonstrably allowed you to employ "Usually Useless" moves viably. It has value for those who wish to see that sort of thing in action.

With Gen 1 OU, there is, I think, no other gen that provably allows you to take your system mastery and utilize it to uplift low tier mons to impressive effect.
>Onix
>Raticate
>Kingler
>Sandslash
>Pinsir
>Porygon
>Persian
>Dodrio
>Machamp
>Tangela
>Electabuzz
>Golem
>Dugtrio
>Clefable
>Hypno
>Venusaur
>Dragonair
>Gyarados
etc.
Because of the mechanics, it's been shown that so many mons can have a niche if you know exactly how to exploit their own unique offerings. How this differs from later gens is that stat inflation, mechanical changes, and movelist expansion led to a lot of mons becoming legitimately outclassed and unable to compete on equal footing without dragging the team down.

Gen IV OU, honestly, is the most predictable of the 5 gens I'm discussing. Innovation has occurred but you're the most constrained in terms of what can work of all gens here.

Gen V OU, has been seeing developments which were hardly imaginable for the tier before now. However, it has also lost many options over the years due to bans.
Because of the super high powerlevel, drastic paradigm shifts have been mostly hard to come by.
I personally have started dabbling in it because it's been discovered that hail is a viable playstyle, which fascinated me.
It's more innovative than Gen IV OU currently, but you won't see it on a regular basis.

cont.

>>56936114
>>56936258
To answer your question directly, here's what I'd say about the innovation within Gen 3 OU.

Because of the intersection of all of its mechanics, almost each individual mon was explicitly designed to be able to fulfill unique roles that others can't. But here's an example of a caveat.

As of gen 3, there are three Water/Ground type Pokemon:
>Swampert
>Quagsire
>Whiscash
Statwise, Swampert is beyond superior to the other two. Swampert being a common mon, on the surface, it thus makes the other two redundant and pointless picks.
However, Quagsire has two abilities Swampert does not: Water Absorb, which makes it a check to Water types, and Damp, which makes it a check to namely Metagross in a unique way that Swampert's matchup doesn't play out. If you were ever to find a reason why you would want an edge in either of these scenarios, you've thus discovered a team where you'd be using Quagsire instead of Swampert.
Now, looking at Whiscash, it would seem almost entirely useless. Overall worse stats, a worse ability, and a worse movepool. However, you'd have to look a little closer to get the full picture. Because although we operate in an environment where any desired Hidden Power is at our finger types, that wasn't practical on cartridge. You'll notice that unlike the other two, Whiscash gets Spark, which is coverage against Water types and Flying types. Additionally, it also gets Fissure, which although banned in Smogon-land, actually serves as a crucial move choice that sets it apart from the other two in a significant way.

cont.

>>56936114
>>56936258
>>56936331
The reason I went into all this preambling detail, which isn't even one-fifth of all I could have said about this subject, is because it highlights by example what innovation in gen 3 ou actually entails:

a painstaking process of thoroughly analyzing each individual design of the Pokemon in the game, trying to understand what the developers intended when crafting them, and thus getting clues as to how that could be applied in the current landscape in a way that no other mons are capable of doing

In Gen 3 OU, mons are not barred from entry due to their stat lines. People have successfully used Sableye, Shedinja, Smeargle, Butterfree, and more.

Mons like these suggest time and time again that anything can work in the tier if you think hard enough. And people continue to try, because this incentive is there.

My ultimate point of all this is that innovation in gen 3 ou being arguably the highest of all is a function of a potential that only becomes visible through extreme and painstaking analytical processes that other gens have not yet proven themselves to similarly yield.

This innovation potential doesn't come out of nowhere and isn't simple to explain nor easily reducible to factors like "balance" without oversimplifying to the point of obscurity.

Nevertheless it suffices to say that you will see more off-meta and alternative picks in Gen 3 Ou that are capable of winning than in any other gen. Even mainstream options tend to have over a dozen distinct sets/purposes.

bump

The hideous:
The audacity to give Tropius shitty stats.

>>56937426
This is the only crime commited against Pokémon: making a huge fuck off tree dinosaur a shitter
>But muh HM slave
I don't want a slave! I want my cool bro to be viable!

>>56935305
>Original Ruby and Sapphire are very glitchy
They're only glitchy if you actively try to break the games. Most Pokémon games are pretty fucking stable as far as the end user experience goes.

>>56937678
>I don't want a slave! I want my cool bro to be viable!
It is viable. Against 10-yer-olds who don't know what they're doing keke

>Original Ruby and Sapphire are very glitchy
Not at all.

>>56935305
based
>large routes that are interesting and varied environments
>can walk around the overworld without transition screens, movement feels smooth
>ideal amount of new vs old pokemon
>new box system is a massive upgrade
>side content like contests and trick house
>brought back safari zone
>abilities
>good character designs
>most pokemon and character designs still fit in with the classics at this point in the series

cringe
>natures
>RS lacking postgame
>game feels smaller than previous gen
>removing day/night and real-time features
>couldn't trade with old games
>lots of unavailable pokemon
>starts the trend of legendary pokemon being the focus of the game
>lots of the sprites are ugly and feel underdeveloped

>>56935975
>EVs are good. IVs unironically ruined the game
This is correct. It's still baffling to me that they thought those were a good idea in any capacity.

>>56938531
I think he's talking about the roaming IV bug that sets most of the Roaming Latias/Latios' IVs to zero (or maybe the Berry Glitch, but that's easily patched). It's true that you can still catch the opposite Lati in RS if you have the Eon Ticket and that Lati is stationary and therefore will have normal IVs. However, Emerald is better than RS in that it doesn't have the roamer IV glitch. FRLG is honestly the worst in this regard, since it inherits the roamer IV glitch from RS but the beasts are always roamers and not stationary. This means that the Legendary Beasts from FRLG will always have terrible IVs. Since HGSS are Gen IV games and the Gen III events took place two decades ago, this means that the only way to legally obtain the Legendary Beasts with decent IVs in Gen III (e.g. a Suicune for the Battle Frontier) is to trade from Pokemon Colosseum. To make matters worse, FRLG also has an additional roamer glitch. Whenever Entei or Raikou uses Roar after the player uses Mean Look, it will disappear from the map altogether and the roaming legendary can no longer be obtained in the save file. So if that occurs to you, do not save the game.

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>>56935966
I second this. Flannery is my wife since the moment I saw her.

>>56939152
If you're posting ugly off model shit like that, you don't actually like her at all.

gen 3 had the worst dex of the first 7 gens.

>>56939187
Gen 2 says hi.

>>56935482
Wally and May/Brendan are pathetically weak rivals compared to Blue and Silver who were straight up dickheads (Blue legit steals your Pokemon in Yellow) and you wanted to fight them. If you don't count N as a rival, then rival design peaked in Gen 2.

>>56939351
At least Gen 2 had the whole first Gen inside of it. In Gen 3 its a boring slog trying to make a team that doesn't use Swellow or Breloom or Alakazam or Gardevoir or Manectric

>>56939569
>In Gen 3 its a boring slog trying to make a team that doesn't use Swellow or Breloom or Alakazam or Gardevoir or Manectric
Which is funny because its more of a slog to make a team in gen 2 that doesn't use Noctowl, Sentret, Quagsire, Gyarados and Gengar given the rarity of the better mon or their placement as you progress.
Kind of odd that you would pick Breloom given Lotad and Seedot have higher encounter rates on the previous route.

There's a reason why people shit on gen 2's variety anon.

>>56939616
Crystal alone fixes a lot of that by giving you the Odd Egg. It's at the sacrifice of Ampharos, but you can have a Shiny Baby as soon as Whitney and if you get something like Smoochum, Elekid or Magby then they can also immediately get the elemental punches which covers a lot of the game

Emerald meanwhile has uh... Wynaut still

>>56939569
>Gen 3 its a boring slog trying to make a team that doesn't use Swellow or Breloom or Alakazam or Gardevoir or Manectric
Save your projections for someone else, anon. As a 7 year old playing Sapphire I had a blast with a full team that didn’t include a single one of those mons.

>>56940361
>by giving you the Odd Egg
One pokemon per run doesn't fix the abysmal variety anon not to mention they're babies, they take forever to evolve because of the friendship mechanic.

>>56939569
>In Gen 3 its a boring slog trying to make a team that doesn't use Swellow or Breloom or Alakazam or Gardevoir or Manectric
The only consistent Pokemon in this selection that I've seen is Swellow. Everything else tends to vary. Breloom? Manectric? Really?

>>56937678
>meganium is weak
>tropius is weak
>rampardos is weak
>aurorus is weak
>tyrantrum is weak

It simple, there are tropes that should simply be left to die and not be touched like extinct = weak or "the bigger they are the harder they fall".

Unfortunately this is a Japanese franchise whose games are made by a lazy hack so they're fucked.

>>56941209
The Pokemon I listed don't even evolve from Friendship. Maybe play the games before replying to me

>>56940361
Odd egg mons
>friendship shit evos that require the retarded GS stone phone calls to reach their final
Pichu, Cleffa
>the same thing except you can literally get its evo on the same route in Crystal
Igglybuff
>essentially just getting a “late Johto” mon earlier
Smoochum, Tyrogue
>1/7 chance to get a mon that they cut from Crystal’s encounter pool at the same part of the game in GS
Magby
>1/7 chance to get the electric type with thunder punch since Ampharos was cut from Crystal’s encounter pool
Elekid

How does this “fix” the variety exactly?

>>56944190
You sound really fun at parties

>>56935305
>Based: May
>Cringe: No woman with big boobs
getting mixed messages here