They finally did it, bros...
>fanficwhy should I care
Personally, I think STAB moves go too far. No one deserves that damage boost. Take it out!
>>56936267Finchinator bought the rights to Pokemon.
Why now after years?
>>56936278reading the suspect thread, seems it's because they've banned almost twice as many mons as OU and the tier is still a complete coinflip shitshowpeople have just had enough of teranow if only they could do the same in OU
>>56936255fucking finally.
>>56936271Take out evolved Pokemon too, unfair advantage in stats.
>>56936255>fanfic of a fanficokay
>>56936369And preevos. Ability to use evolite is pretty much hacking.
>>56936562ban evsmin-maxxing is cancer
>Nat dexClown format
>>56936255no one plays gen9 anymore kek, it's a little bit too late for this
>>56937040Ban IVs tooThey make mons too offensively and defensively powerfulThis isn't a joke, they're pointless as a mechanic anyways as within a playthrough they don't matter and if you're trying to build teams for competitive on cartridge they're just extra grinding/RNG hell that makes getting new competitively ready mons harder than it needs to beImagine literally any competitive game where you have to roll several slot machines just to get the optimal version of a given character or weapon so you can fight on even ground with people who're also trying to get the best stats available to win
>>56936255>>56936286100% certain most of the banned Pokemon that are “op because of Tera” will be banned again.Yeah there will be Pokemon like Regieleki who will flop down to UU, but shit like Chien-Pao and Palafin will drop to NatDex OU then be banned again.No one will have learned lesson that some shit is simply overpowered.
But doesn't NatDex allow Megas and Z-moves?I'm confused as to what the intent of this meta is, because "balance" damn sure ain't it
>>56937084We should ban items and leveling too, should just be Lv. 1.
There's a reason official formats don't use smogon faggotry.
>>56936255How can they call it "Nat dex" without dynamax and Tera
>smogshit bans the only new mechanics that increase the skill ceiling of the game instead of slapping an item on the pokemonwow go figure
>>56936255smogonfags really miss megas
>>56936255Woah, I'm amazed it took them this longI mean Tera was shit from the start so I'm glad they finally realized how stupid this shit got, glad they grew their balls back after the dynamax backlash>>56936286A friend jokes that they banned Tera to protect their precious Gholdengo and Kingambit, I'm taking it as canon just because it is so fucking funny
>>56936255>the literal fanfic metaMeh, call me when it gets banned from regular SV.
>>56936255Watch gamefreak "break the game" in gen 10 in someway smogon cucks will basically be playing a different game because a major core battling mechanic is changed.
>>56937498My thinking is they change the way dual types for type chart matchups and moves. Water/Electric better chance of Electric moves hitting for example. It would cause such massive asshurt because they wouldn't be able to ban a single thing to use their new OU mon favorite and LE DRACO DROP because they would have to start banning so many pokemon or moves some pokemon can use. The OU rules would be giant wall of text.
>>56937084I get these meme quotes but this one is just you cheat so much you don't know how to make a min max in less than 10min cause you didn't learn how to do so thus giving you a advantage in Actual battles.FACTO
>>56937351ghold and gambit have actually been banned in natdex for a while nowbecause you know they actually give a shit about the tier
>magearna and walking wake are coming backits sofuckingover
why does natdex have so many more bans than regular sv ou?
>>56936255>nat dexNobody cares, even among all Smogon formats this is THE MOST fanficy one.>hurr, what if we add bunch of mons and moves that don't exist in the game to it durr>WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "Assist breaks Revival Blessing?" HOW GAME FREAK COULD ALLOW THESE TWO MOVES THAT DON'T EVEN EXIST OFFICIALLY IN THE SAME GAME TO EXIST IN OUR SIMULATOR? BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN!
Anything to keep Lando viable, eh?
>>56937911>keep the ice type bannedIt's impossible to think anything other than this: >>56938082
>>56938039>new mons interacting with old mechanics in a broken way (ghostium dragapult)>dexcut mons interacting with new mechanics in a broken way (melmetal having tera access)>just having a lot more mons in generalsimple as
>>56936255>167Embarrassing
>>56938093>that thing that hits 409 (450 if jolly) speed after 1 DD>no drawback outrage >the things that beat specifically slowbro/king/galar cant touch baxcalibur (chilly reception)>priority cant even 1 shot him252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur in Snow: 234-276 (63 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 208-246 (56 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKObut yeah its the landorus thing and not the fact that this guy gets 4 turns of being unkillable to set up dragon dances off of a slow baton pass from slowking>thermal exchange cucks burns
>>56937911>terapagos finally being usableimpressive
>>56937911>walking wakeREAD NIGGA READ
>>56938039because more trannies play natdex
>>56937911>unban cheesesticks mascotDisgusting, thing should be deleted from the fucking game, worthless ass design
>>56937911Please send magearna back
>>56937911Why is Hearthflame still ban worthy without Tera? Is Mold Breaker that broken?
>>56938273Seeing someone hate that piece of shit as much as I do is refreshing.
>>56938273>>56938295itt: campaignshitters too bad at the game to just kill a piece of string cheese
>>56936255>started playing natdex OU two days ago with a team of non-meta mons>pretty fun, meet tons of different pokemon>suddenly tera is banned>all teams and now the same handful of meme meta mons that are annoying ass to fight against (especially without tera)Guess I'm moving to Uber with my shitmons then...
>>56936286>AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH TOO MANY DIFFERENT POKEMON ARE GOOD!!! SAVE ME SMALL COUNCIL!!!!In an ideal pokemon, all fully evolved mons would be usuable
>>56938295It's such a godawful fucking design. >>56938371The Pokemon is good, nobody is denying that, it looks fucking retarded as shit though.
>least shit gimmick that allows nearly any Pokemon to be usable in some way>BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT
>>56937911Isn't it curious how most meta mons and shit tier designs?I'd hate fighting them again and again much less if they looked acceptable...
>>56938287They can't deal with a fire type bypassing Heatran. It's always their go to argument.
>>56938405Anon...
>>56938273>>56938295You aren't alone, the bastard isn't just ugly as sin but degenerate to the metagame
>>56938287Hurts Goldengo, Heatran, and Kingambit.Fagmons for the fag playstyle of stall.Can't have that.
>>56936255Bring back natdex AGAlso what is the reasoning behind the ban
>>56937351>KingambitDoesn’t banning tera nerf it though? 4x weakness it can’t get rid of.
>>56938724I don't think any of those mons is used on stall and 2 of them were banned.
>>56938175>252 Atk Life Orb Primeape Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 471-556 (126.9 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKOdies to primeape
>>56938424>allows nearly any Pokemon to be usable in some wayThat's why it's gone. Megas were healthier because they could be dealt with case by case, just like individual Pokemon. They came up with Z-Moves because people complained about their faves not getting a Mega, but no one cared enough for it to stick around after SM. Dynamax was a failed attempt at combining the two, but was also scrapped. Now we're going back to Megas again at the end of Gen 9. Giving every Pokemon in the game powerup isn't as good as it sounds.
i don't get mad that king gumdrop of candyland rules his fiefdom with an iron fist, so i won't get mad about this fanfic either, i'll just laugh and go on as normal
>>56938902>healthier The brainrot of smogonfags to pretend this word means "extremely predictable" is so comedic.
>>56936286Makes sense. How are you supposed to tactically switch in a safe bet if they’re just going to invert their own typing to counter your counter before you can even counter
>>56937911>oger H kept uber>gouge, mag, sneasler coming backclowns
>>56938424more like>gimmick that makes broken mons even more broken through coinflips and does nothing to the shitters, actually makes them worse
DammitWhere am I supposed to use my solar beam magcargo shenanigans now ;×;
>>56938424lollmaouniversal gimmicks will FOREVER be shit because they all end up being the rich become even richer situations
>>56939232But bespoke gimmicks end up doing that too, just look at megas
Why is Wake banned?
>>56936267fpbp>caring about a jewish, confirmed-pedo metagame
>>56937911>magearna>absolutely notthe only sane man(?)
>>56939359Z-Moves, probably.
>>56939599But I want to be like ash and wield every single game hard once per duel mechanic at the same time
GF really, really, needs to make 4 vs 4 doubles the format used in game.The idea that pokemon should be played 6 vs 6 singles was fine for earlier gens but it's evident that now it's a relic that survives only because GF are too lazy to fix the games.
>>56938864>didnt calc snow>lorb primape so its slower after 1 dd>primape cant touch slowking so it doesnt even mattercongrats nogames
>>56939646>muh toddler campaignno one cares
so this mechanic was broken bullshit since day 1 right? so we had to deal with this broken bullshit mechanic for 2 years in 2 unplayable metagames (and the rest of the gen 9 metas) just for it to finally be banned anyways. why didnt they just quick ban it and tell ou players to suck their balls 2 years ago?
>>56938970all of the smogonfaggots' buzzwords have no set definition which allows them to decide what it means on the go according to whatever ostensibly strengthens their argument
>>56940479>so this mechanic was broken bullshit since day 1 right?neverit's moreso that the tera type not being revealed introduces a needless layer of guessing to the game on top of the necessity of predicting when it will be utilized
>>56940577Most Pokemon just run a single tera type, they're predictable. Knowing what type a Pokemon is doesn't matter when there's only a 1/6 chance of the active Pokemon being the tera choice. And there's an even lower chance it will happen on that turn.
uh oh! we upset the terababies!
>>56940603>you removed a gimmick so now it's just the previous gen>new items, mechanics, moves, and pokemon? they don't do anythingThis was a retarded argument last gen too.
>>56940603This is the kind of people who supports Tera. Wonder what he thinks of D/G-Max.
Surely this wasn’t cheated like with Kyurem suspect test, right?The troons who run NatDex will definitely look into it right?
>>56940586>Most Pokemon just run a single tera typeUnless you're talking about National Dex OU exclusively, which I cannot attest to the veracity of, this statement is blatantly false.
>>56940675What Pokemon in regular OU run more than one or two tera types?
99% of shitters in here complaining don't even play and even the very few ones that do play are too shit to ever get reqs for anything
>>56936255>Allow every previous mon>Ban TeraJust say you don't want to play Scat/Vomit bro it's ok
>>56938902>Giving every Pokemon in the game powerup isn't as good as it sounds.It is though You guys really want the meta to revolve around a tiny crew of ugly designs, but it would be much better if every fully evolved mon was usable
>>56940690https://www.smogon.com/stats/2024-10/moveset/gen9ou-1825.txtall of them
>>56940829Most of those are still predictable. A support Tusk isn't going to become Ice.
>>56940603someone ask this nigga if he wants dynamax back
>>56940827>every fully evolved mon was useablehave you ever played a game of pokemon before?
>>56940479yeah. what breaks tera isn't the type changing, but WHEN it happens. (at the start of the turn, before any moves are made)pretty much any other implementation would have been way better for the health of the game.choose to tera when switching in, your pokemon terastallizes as soon as it enters the field? balanced.your pokemon terastallizes when it takes its turn, kinda like z-moves? balanced.but no, it had to be a button you press to invert your type matchup at the beginning of a turn before any counterplay can be made.
>>56941100it was a gay and retarded mechanic thats meant to pacify people that want more complexity in the pokemon battle system. theres no world in which it could be balanced. they just need to bite the bullet and modernize the franchise like p*lworld and m*nster sanctuary did
>Tera banned>Melmetal, Kingambit, Gholdengo, Dragapult, Terapagos, Regieleki, Shedinja, & Zamazenta temporarily unbannedBRING HER BACK
>>56941295apparently the guy in charge of setting up the voting for unbans just forgot about espathrait'll be dropping sometime soon, it's really not very good at all without tera since it gets hard cucked by every single steel type
>>56940827If it's the same powerup for everyone, shitmons are still shit.
>>56941359>espathra with hidden powerNever gonna happen.
>>56941726mons gen 8 and above dont get hidden power in natdex because they've never been in a game with a hidden power tm
>>56936255I don't even play competitive.But Terastallize just looks like such a stupid gimmicky mechanic
>>56941783That's retarded
>>56941783By that logic, nothing above Gen 7 should get access to Z-Moves, because they've never been in a game with Z-Moves available.
>>56940827Yes, anon, your random shitmon sure is gonna stand up to the latest powercreep garbage Gamefreak shat out in a drunken stupor because it has fucking Tera access.
>>56941797It’s fine logicNot every Pokemon was able to learn Hidden Power in Gen 7.Every Pokemon was able to use Z moves and Z moves interacted with moves instead.
>>56941988Wasn't it just Pyukumuku and Cosmog/moem?
>>56941988It isn't. The only ones that couldn't learn Hidden Power were those that couldn't learn from ANY TM, or whose gimmick was learning no attacking moves.
>>56942013the two you mentioned, some assorted first and second stage bugs, the wobbuffet line, beldum, tynamo, etc.what actually matters is that there are pokemon who learn TMs but not hidden power, so you can't just assume everything that learns TMs gets hidden power.for example tynamo learns a couple electric TMs and magnet rise by tutor, so even though its movepool is completely barren it's still an example of things not learning hidden power when they can learn other moves.that, along with pokemon like the tapus and magearna not learning other universal TMs like rest and sleep talk, was enough to set the precedent.
>>56942013It was also Wobb line + tons of route 1 bug pokemon + Ditto + Smeargle technically can only sketch Hidden Power.
>>56940662If the vote goes against what they want it’s riggedIf the vote is in favor it’s clean don’t be a suspect denier biggot
>>56942139>>56942164So just Pokemon that can't learn any TMs at all.
>>56942194>didn't read my post
>>56942194And any Pokemon from a gen where Hidden Power isn’t a TM.
>>56942213That's stupid. Do they also disallow any gen 8/9 moves from becoming z-moves?There's a clear precidence for who can and can not learn Hidden Power, and they're already making it fanfiction by allowing Furfrou to fight a Dragapult.
>>56942272>Do they also disallow any gen 8/9 moves from becoming z-movesstatus moves, yeah. there's no way to categorize those because the effects were assigned basically at random by gamefreak.attacking moves are allowed, because the power of the z-move is determined by the move's base power. it's simple to do, bitter malice would be 140bp as a z-move since it's 75bp.
>>56942272It’s not really.Where is Regieleki gonna learn Hidden Power? It’s not a TM in Gen 8. It’s not a TM in Gen 9. Where is it getting Hidden Power?
>>56942477Where is Regieleki going to get a Z crystal?
>>56936267Hey Verlisify
>>56942514Arguing in bad faith doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a retard.You know why TMs are different from held items.
>>56936255Good. Terashartting is the worst gimmick we've ever had
>>56943787nta but neither held items or TMs can be transferred so this argument doesn't work for Z-Moves. It doesn't even work with the whole "bringing everything forward!!!!" angle because the Gems are STILL illegal despite them being the first class of item cut.
>>56943787They're not. We're already breaking the rules by allowing held items to be brought forward, when that's not actually possible. We're already breaking our OWN rules by allowing every 'mon to use Z-Moves, and making special exceptions for status ones. And your argument of>not every Pokemon can have access to Hidden Power because they're not in games with it available, and we can't assume they'd be able to learn itfalls apart because the universal rule of Hidden Power as a TM - one it shares with Protect, Substitute, and Rest - is that EVERY. POKEMON. That is compatible with TMs, and doesn't have a special design gimmick, like Pyukumuku, was compatible with it. There is literally no reason to think it would be any different if it were present in later games, when this rule has held true for Protect, Substitute, and Rest. Even Regigigas, who famously couldn't learn those three moves because GameFreak didn't want you to "easily" stall out Slow Start, was eventually given access to them.Your argument is built upon false pretenses, and the only reason it's going the way it is, is due to author fiat (Smogon, in this case).
>>56936255Now ban Terastal from Pokémon canon.
>>56943881>EVERY. POKEMON. That is compatible with TMs, and doesn't have a special design gimmick, like Pyukumuku, was compatible with it.tynamo.rest, sleep talk, and toxic for magearna. protect for regigigas.
>>56943851non-normal gems are illegal because they got cut before natdex released and natdex is explicitly based on gen 7same reason there's no berserk gene or mysteryberry
>>56944110>tynamo.Who can't learn any TMs period, except those it learns by level-up, Tera Blast because Tera, and Knock Off (for some reason), thus falling under "special design gimmick.">MagearnaAs of Sword/Shield, Magearna can learn Rest. As of Scarlet/Violet, it can also learn Sleep Talk.>RegigigasAgain, it was given access to all three moves. In Regigigas' case, it was Sword/Shield, both by TM and by level up.
>>56944110>>56944171I forgot Toxic. Magearna not getting it in Gen 7 is an outlier, and one that's ultimately irrelevant, because they drastically cut down what all could learn that move in Gen 8 anyway.
>>56944171>tynamolearns magnet rise, which wouldn't you know it isn't a level-up move.>magearnastill doesn't learn toxic. in fact, they explicitly retconned 99% of pokemon being able to learn toxic. you're kind of arguing against your own point on that one, because it's direct evidence that formerly universal moves can change and be no longer universal.anyway, i can tell you don't play the tier, you've never played the tier, and you never will play the tier. hell, you've probably never played competitive pokemon in general. why are you so up in arms about this?
>>56944189Magnet Rise isn't a TM. Irrelevant.>still doesn't learn toxicI addressed that here >>56944179The rest of your post is irrelevant to the argument, and a blatant attempt at deflection.
>>56944215i guess we're dropping the pretenses, huh?they removed hidden power from every pokemon that learns it by level up, while still leaving it in the game for unown. no hidden power gastrodon, no hidden power burmy, no hidden power medicham, no hidden power slowking. now why would they do that?because it got directly changed to a signature move.and like i said, you don't play the tier and you never will. you didn't even bother to argue that point. you lack basic understanding literally everyone else has and decided to be a whiny pissbaby about it.
>>56944238>he's still replying to the obvious nomons retardlol? just give up moronyou cant convince a guy like this of anything he doesnt even understand what he's mad about
>>56944121That's the inconsistency I'm talking about. They let some stuff avoid the cut, but not others. It's already a literal fanfic meta.
>>56942167This post is completely retarded. According to shitters on /vp/ evil omgon wants to ban everything so why the fuck would they reverse the Kyurem ban while admitting that vote cheating happened? I swear everyone in these threads has some kind of agenda to come up with the most mentally challenged complaints.
>>56940690Kingambit can run any of the following:>dark + black glasses>flying>fairy + tera blast>fireIf you guess wrong, Kingambit uses swords dance and the game ends.
>>56945565You forgot Ghost
>>56940411Everyone cares, smogon is primarily 6 vs 6 singles because it's how the campaign is.
