Was this your "blackpill" moment?
unova pokedex, i knew that they'd jumped the shark and quality would never be the samethankfully it was their lowest point so far but it still hasn't recovered
alola pokedex, that was the point I knew the series would never be the same. it's a microcosm of modern pokemon: tricks you into thinking it's something cool and substantial with a couple of visual gimmicks through the renders but then goes and guts everything that made the series what it was.thankfully it was their lowest point so far coupled with galar, and the series seems to be recovering from pla onwards we're just barely above xy now which isn't saying much
none i still like pokemon
the moment they added new megas to ORAS but didn’t update XY to be compatible with them. They would still be only obtainable in ORAS. The fact gens 3-5 had measures in place to allow new forms to be compatible with games they weren’t in but couldn’t be bothered to update XY I knew GF was full of tards
>>56936804Never. Go be a miserable fuck elsewhere.
>>56936857YWNBAW
>>56936804SM was mine. Gen 6 just felt like a stumble at the time, I was still optimistic that the games would rebound and it would just be the black sheep of the series. Then SM came out and I realized it wasn't just a misstep and that the series was firmly on a trajectory I didn't care for. Dexit was the final nail in the coffin, killing whatever last vestiges of hope remained somewhere inside me.
>>56936804I don’t get it
>>56936875Never wanted to be one. Go culture war on Twitter. We like Pokemon, not misery here.
>>56936876I was willing to forgive XY at the time cause the first games on new hardware are always rough around the corners. Look at R/S and DP. However I have since lost faith
>>56936901yeah exactly. I was like ok, it's their first real 3D game on a new console, I'm cut them a little slack. the next generation will surely be better. and then...it wasn't. and it still hasn't gotten better. I was no naive back then.
>>56936804DP for me, the game being so fucking slow forcing me to stop and acknowledge how little substance there actually is to the games turned kid me into a doomerthankfully only for a short while before remembering other series aren't like this
>>56936804I'm a bort so I'm relatively young and a lot of what people hate about the franchise here is what I grew up with and accepted as core pokemon. This felt like I was punched in the gut.
>>56936804for me it was lgpeit was the first dexcut
>>56936804The moment they fucked up what should have been the easiest remix of their career was the moment I realized these games are no longer developed by the people who made the previous games magical.
>>56937048The moment I learned they are still made by the same people was the moment I realized they had no idea what the fuck they were doing all along
>>56936857I didn't even give my opinion on it, tard-kun. ORAS in less than two days is about to be a decade old and as this is by far the most discussed/controversial aspect about the game on here, now's an appropriate time to ask anons if it irrevocably ruined the experience for them, or are they still able to enjoy ORAS despite the glaring omission of one of the most beloved aspects of its source material.
>>56936804i don't care about muh battle frontiermy blackpill moment was playing USUM and realizing it was 90% the same game
>>56937087Take your meds, you miserable paranoid schizophrenic. Nobody asked for your opinion.
>>56937100Mine was when they realized they could sell the third version as two more games
>>56937125so, you didn't have a problem with them selling two copies of the same game to begin with. and you didn't have a problem with releasing 3rd versions with minor changes. but a 3rd version AND two copies, well, that's over the line!am I getting that right?
Gen 3 berry trees fucking dyingI haven't played but I imagine scrapping followmons would be it for a lot of people
>>56936901I was willing to forgive XY at the time because it was dramatically better than gen 5
>>56936804no, it was this
>>56937125hi yawnfag
>>56936804I pulled up the thread that's from and I still have no idea what it's about.https://archived.moe/vp/thread/21787174/#21787441
>>56936804No it Sword and Shield selling amazing despite the protests. I knew they were going to sell well but I hoped they would sell less than X & Y.
>>56937670This is from ORAS leaks showing that the Battle Frontier was just replaced by the same copy pasted Maison from XY
>>56936852Yeah, this was the point of no return. Where individual games became their own ecosystems instead of entire gens. Set an awful precedent.
Red's outfit in Gen 7.
USUMI went into it thinking it would fix most of SM's problems, and it ended up being worse.
>>56936804this for the seriesSV sales for the fandom/Japanese in general
Gen 3, when I realised they didn't give a shit for adults, could sell a game boy game on SNES-equivalent hardware and still end up selling fucking millions.
>>56936804Mega Evolution just making strong Pokemon even stronger and weak mon getting nothing at all
>>56936857CONSUME PRODUCTDO NOT ASK QUESTIONS
Yeah, for me it was OR/AS in generalEmerald with the mechanical improvements of Gen 4-6, some additional mons to the dex to help water routes (and grunts) feel a little less repetitive along with expanding on some of the half baked side content would've been far and away the best game in the series but instead we got a game that improves SOME things on Ruby/Sapphire and worsen others (eg. exploration and flow)If there was any justice in the world Morimoto would have become the head of GF after the success of HG/SS and the Gen 3 remakes would've been based on his work
>>56936849Based
>>56936804S/M. It felt like they doubled down on all the handholding and time wasting from X/Y, i hated the trials, and they just ditched megas for a new gimmick in z-moves (which was then removed for a new gimmick, which was then removed for another one). It felt like i was constantly waiting for the game to remove my training wheels but it never did>>56937990>and weak mon getting nothing at allyour mega mawile, sir?
>>56938037Had to use a held item slot to have it and also means Mawile can never permanently evolve
>>56938080>Had to use a held item slot to have itso did literally every pokemon that wasnt Rayquaza>means mawile can never permanently evolvethats irrelevant to the point
You can pinpoint the exact moment the entire franchise went to shit.
>>56937746Learning what brainless consoomers nipnogs are was my own true blackpill because it proves any other blackpill will >buyitanyway no matter whatJP Pokemon artists are such mega faggot consoomers they cry about leaks instead of how shit the games are was my fandom blackpill
>>56936963Plenty of people like Unova, anon. I like it myself, though that's largely because I find B2W2 fun games full of content, despite the retarded decisions GF made, such as restricting Challenge Mode (and Regigigas for that matter, for the second time, as if he was ever good) behind a convoluted set of requirements. Some of what I hate about the francise started with BW. Most of it came from XY and ORAS. USUM made me hopeful that the franchise might be able to recover, and then SwSh dropped.
>the switchkeks wonthere will never be another DS tier pokemon game againit's unironically over
>>56938534Nothing after ORAS is canon so it's whatever. It straight up doesn't exist.
>>56938534Ok but how? Is it mostly parents buying the games for their children?
>>56936804it was unovathey had overworld sprites for all the previous gens, all they had to do was make sprites for the remaining 156 mons and implement following mons
>>56938534>japmanchildren have shit tasteyou dont say
>>56938534>there will never be another boring as piss stagnant game againwtf I love game freak now
>>56938647HGSS and BW were developed concurrently. It’s likely by the time following Pokémon was considered for HGSS, BW was almost done. Thats also why the “theory” about BW’s Unova only dex being a response to people hating HGSS for Johto’s “dependence on Kanto” is a lie. There wouldn’t have been time to change anything. Admittedly B2W2 probably could have added following Pokémon, not sure why it wasn’t there.
>>56936804I don't really know So far I've played every mainline game except HGSS and BW
Dexit mostly. As someone who doesn’t mind a lot of the designs and actually like a lot of the more niche mons, seeing them getting tossed in the more recent games made me put the games down.Nowadays I mostly just play fangames
>>56936804LGPE
>>56936804Close but this pissed me off the most. It never was the same since then.
>>56936804When BW2 replaced the Battle Frontier with soulless lazy nostalgia pandering I knew it was over.
>>56937746>SV sales for the fandom/Japanese in generalIronically did the exact opposite for me
>>56936804If your "blackpill" moment wasn't when they jumped the shark in gen 4 and made pokemon literal non-euclidian controllers of space, time and the universe as we know it then you're too young to be here.Before that pokemon were just these super powered animals with a few that had a bit more power but then gen 4 comes along and establishes that the universe is Palkia's fucking nutsack and God is a llama with a girdle.
>>56941242Mewtwo is literally a mutant lab clone from a creature that is the common ancestor of all Pokemon. Gen 2 we had a pokemon that could travel through time, a pokémon that could resurrect the dead and Lugia I guess. Gen 3 we had pokemon that could control ocean and continents. Why only gen 4 is when you think it's too far?
>>56936852This bothered me too. I was fully expecting them to update XY so that I could still play the latest online without transferring over my mons to ORAS.>The fact gens 3-5 had measures in place to allow new forms to be compatible with games they weren’t inThey didn't anymore than gen VI did. Giratina Origin couldn't be used to play against Diamond and Pearl players, nor could the Rotom appliances. Same for Keldeo Resolute and the two Kyurem fusions in BW.>I knew GF was full of tardsNah, this was intentional greed. It was just a way to get people to buy ORAS. They did the same thing, but worse, for USUM.
>>56941215hi yawnfag
>>56941300because he started with gen 3
>>56941300>Why only gen 4 is when you think it's too far?>Before that pokemon were just these super powered animals with a few that had a bit more power but then gen 4 comes along and establishes that the universe is Palkia's fucking nutsack and God is a llama with a girdle.Maybe you should read the post before replying anon. And no, Kyogre and Groudon don't control the oceans and continents, in fact the most impressive abilities lore wise up until that point were Ho-oh and Celebi reviving mon and simply moving through time. Anyway, even if Kyogre and Groudon could do that it's not the same as actually BEING a fundamental part of the entire universe. Do you have any idea how much larger a scale universal is compared to a country if we're being generous.
>>56937744USUM was the first mainline game I dropped before completing. Not only did it make things worse, it also highlighted problems SM had to begin with that I didn't mind the first time around. I wasn't bothered by SM's cutscenes when I played it because it was all new to me, getting interrupted by Lillie in USUM to go over the same lines only a year later pissed me off.
>>56936849Embarrassing
>>56941429>I was fully expecting them to update XY so that I could still play the latest online without transferring over my mons to ORAS.Why? Next to no game does that.
>>56941429Keldeo is just a visual change. two Kyurem fusions can actually be used against people playing on BW, just on their screens it will look like a normal Kyurem but it’s two new moves it got in BW2, were already in BW
>>56941454Pokemon were just realistic representations of old gods of thunder and harvests. In gen 4 we had creation gods. Nothing really changed.
>>56941462no other game like Pokemon exists where transferring content from game to game exists on this level. Before the 3DS, there was no way to truly add new forms or pokemon mid gen. They had to include half measures to still allow stuff like Kyurem Black to battle against someone using B1W1. With the 3DS, they could now patch and update games to allow new forms and pokemon to be added mid gen and then simply update the previous game that gen so they are still compatible with each other. The new stuff would still be locked behind the new game anyways.
>>56941483Shut the fuck up, you know that's bullshit.
My personal blackpill moment was when Tom Smith got a real C&D letter from NoA, as I can't cope with how shitty this garbage franchise is after Dexit didn't cause any KyoAni-tier incidents - without a steady influx of offcial-quality porn featuring my fav Pokemons done by somebody who isn't either an autistic leftard with AGP or speaks in moonrunes to lessen such kind of betrayal from GF is making me think of ending it all lately.
>>56941506>no other game like Pokemon exists where transferring content from game to game exists on this level.Yeah I'm going to stop you there because this is more a PvP thing than a transfer thing and the few games with PvP in the genre don't actively update the previous game with features, forms, mon etc from the new game.
>>56941508You played these games for so long but thought that all those yokai references were nothing? Why yokais is fine and gods and demons is crossing a line?
leaks confirm kyogre and groudon are literally gods
>>56941511Who?
>>56941528Now you're on Yokai? You know these things aren't all one thing right?And why are you still asking questions that have already been answered? >>56941454>Do you have any idea how much larger a scale universal is compared to a country if we're being generous.
>>56941549>It was just answered!Not it wasn't. Pokemon always were magic creatures. You just don't like gen 4 and need a reason to hate it.
>>56941528>You played these games for so long but thought that all those yokai references were nothingDude, Yokai are just freaky monsters, they aren't gods.Harvest gods, thunder gods, etc are still just earthly gods. Space and time? That's everything. The laws of the known universe. Earthly concepts are nothing.
>>56941572Yokais are folklore and supernatural beings the same thing as gods and demons.
>>56941562>Pokemon always were magic creaturesThat's the point, dumbass. You're repeating what I said here >>56941242>Before that pokemon were just these super powered animals with a few that had a bit more powerBeing a magic creature and being the physical embodiment of time and space are two completely different things. The gen 4 legends are literal gods, not animals
>>56941532>leaksyou mean the retarded shit gen 4 invented and retconned?
>>56941585Why are you shitting yourself so much because they can control space and time? It's also a type of power.
>>56941581No, no they aren't.
>>56941592>because they can control space and time?How are you not getting this. They don't control space and time, they ARE space and time.Are you some kind of illiterate ESL shithead or something?
>>56941595Yokais is literally ANY supernatural entity
>>56941603They are not space and time you fucking retard. They control it. You can beat their ass and capture them the only one that is actually omnipresent is Arceus.
>>56941242>"oh my science" redditor getting triggered by lore again even when it has no effect on gameplay whatsoeverFuck off retard.
>>56941613No, Yokai are akin to western cryptids.Gods are kami, obviously, which have their own sub categories like Amatsukami or Hitorigami.They're all different things.
>>56941615>They are not space and time you fucking retard. They control it.How the fuck do you not know the gen 4 lore after getting an entire game about the gen 4 lore only 3 years ago?
>>56941655>Yōkai are also referred to as ayakashi (あやかし), mononoke (物の怪) or mamono (魔物). However, most Japanese generally think of the two loose classes[which?] of spirits as highly different, although some academics and Shinto practitioners acknowledge similarities within the seeming dichotomy between the natures of them and most kami, which are generally regarded as relatively beneficent in comparison, and class the two as ultimately the same type of spirits of nature or of a mythological realm.[3] Their behavior can range from malevolent or mischievous to benevolent to humans.How are they not all just supernatural entities?
>>56941620the real problem with dialga and palkia is that they don't sell the "gods of space and time" deal hard enough.
>>56941721After dialga and palkia were captured with red chain did the space and time cease to exist you stupid faggot?
>>56941735Are you trying to say that being captured is the same thing as fucking dying now?
>>56941740They could fucking die or their powers being sealed could be the end of the world. Nothing fucking happened.
>>56941722>How are they not all just supernatural entities?They are, supernatural entities is an extremely broad term however that can mean just about anything out of the ordinary. A crackhead making inhuman noises in the night could be considered a supernatural entity if you only hear it.That said, calling a Yokai a Kami and vice versa is like calling a shark a lobster because they both live in the sea.
>>56941782Not even the japanese themselves agree to consider them separe entities. They just separate kami from most yokai because they don't want to anger their local gods. But they even know they are the same kind of spirits that can be good or bad.
>>56941798>Not even the japanese themselves agree to consider them separe entitiesYes, yes they do otherwise there wouldn't be a distinction in the first place. You should think before you post.
>>56941807>although some academics and Shinto practitioners acknowledge similarities within the seeming dichotomy between the natures of them and most kami, which are generally regarded as relatively beneficent in comparison, and class the two as ultimately the same type of spirits of nature or of a mythological realmNo they don't agree with themselves. Just like I don't agree with you.
>>56941829Again, there wouldn't be a distinction in the first place.Also you can stop using Wikipedia for any nip myths and/or history the Yasuke debacle was the final nail.
>>56941519okay pal at that point why bother letting games in the same gen even battle between each other then. Should just hard lock each game to it’s pair because fuck you. Also Mega Latios/Latias was in XY but couldnt get the mega stone until ORAS, so obviously GF did think about future proofing XY with ORAS
>>56941934>Also Mega Latios/Latias was in XY but couldnt get the mega stone until ORAS, so obviously GF did think about future proofing XY with ORASDo you really want to use that logic when the Azure Flute event exists?
>>56942028Arceus was still obtain for people with DP
>>56942074The point is that the Azure Flute event was a full event in game that they never released just like the Mega Lati being in XY but their stone was unavailable and we know they weren't above event only Megas.
For me it's a tie between the dexcut and gen 7 as a whole
>>56941242Literally only atheists were offended by this.
unova dex shoved the blackest pokepill down my throat
>>56942187anon dont call zekrom's dick a pill
>>56936804The main thing that keeps dragging me back in is FOMO and my autism is too strong to ever leave pokemon entirely, I think. But as someone with the BW2 era as my starting point to the franchise I was losing my patience by SWSH. Switch-era pokemon games are the kind you only play once, really.
>>56942222the switch games have much more replayability than bw2
>>56942228I'll return to SWSH someday, but that day definitely isn't today.
>>56942228hi yawnfag
>>56936876This. I loved gens 1-5, and I could forgive one underwhelming generation especially considering the circumstances. Game Freak just jumped to new hardware and being the first fully 3D games in the series was clearly a big undertaking considering how much had to be cut from XY to accomodate the new graphical direction from what we saw in the leaks. It was new territory for Game Freak and there was a lot of pressure on them to make a Pokemon game because of the Wii U failing at the time and the 3DS just getting back on its feet with the price drop after a weak launch. It was a hectic time at Nintendo and I could understand how GF might be affected by Nintendo not having their shit together all the way. SM was my blackpill because it solidified this as not a hiccup, but rather the new direction for the series. By the time they announced the Ultra games I was over it. I knew they'd be shit and surprise surprise, they were.
>>56936890Tell that /pol/cuck, so tired of chuds ruining anything.
>>56936804it took me 3 gens to get it. first it was ugly gen 5. then it was unfinished gen 6. then it was disappointing gen 7. then gen 8 and lgpe confirmed all of my views to not buy anymore. i dont care if anyone likes those games. have fun but im done lol.
