What the fuck is Lugia even supposed to be?
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>>56946703it's a dog dumbass
an ambiguous monster instead of a cartoon animal
>>56946703It's a mix between a bird and a dragon as the one NPC in the house in Cherrygrove(?) says
That's how you know it's a good design
>>56946707Takeshi Shudo's wife actually LMAO
>>56946703Mix between a sea dragon and Ningen.
>>56946703Shudo female goddess
>>56946703A Loch Ness monster
What exactly connects Lugia and Ho-Oh?
>>56946703A movie tie-in.
>>56946740Nothing. But the mentality of selling the same game twice, which should've ended after gen 1, gave Ho-Oh a friend
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>>56946748Yep. There are a number of things they tried doing to pair up the two more cohesively and thematically, later on. >Ho-oh has a sun motif and Lugia has a crescent moon motif, since Gen 2 introduced day/night >Ho-oh is associated with rainbows and Lugia with storms>Ho-oh is colorful and Lugia mostly black and white, as Gen 2 could be played on the GB and GBC>later games like HGSS leaned more into Lugia being the “dragon” to Ho-oh’s “phoenix” But at the start it really was a matter of opportunity and convenience more than anything, to use the big anime movie mon as a selling point next to the “Pokemon 2” mascot that had been all over Gamefreak’s homepage in 1996-7.
>>56946703a lugia
>>56946703>the diving pokemonhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jciFhuwNN6U&pp=ygUUT3NwcmV5IGNhdGNoaW5nIGZpc2g%3D
>>56946740nothing. they're not even supposed to be a duo, lugia just got shoe-horned into ho-oh's game a couple months before release after it was designed for the anime
>>56946740Ho-oh was originally just the Mewtwo role (post-game legendary boss) of Gold and Silver before Lugia was shoehorned into the project for the sake of movie tie-in. Can't help but wonder what the box art for Gold and Silver would look like if they came out on time in late 97/early 98. Just Ho-oh on gold or silver background depending on version? Or just the 2 of the 3 starters again?
>>56946796ho-oh was on both title screens, so probably ho-oh in different poses
>>56946796Entei & Raikou? Assuming Crystal was already planned.
>>56946796Ho-oh would have made for a disappointing Mewtwo, it wasn't that good back then. Not that it was bad either, just nowhere near as unstoppable and menacing as Mewtwo used to be.
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A largely original sea monster probably inspired by diving sea birds
>>56946796>>56946802I know it's just because I'm used to the way things turned out but it feels so weird to associate Ho-oh with silver lol
>>56946903I'm sure they would have picked a different pose
>>56946821It's a cool thematic parallel to Mewtwo honestly. Kanto is all about progress and technology, so its legendary Pokemon is a man-made superweapon that became self-aware. Johto is all about history and tradition, so its legendary Pokemon is an ancient god still worshipped in the modern day
That’s cute and all but what the actual fuck are Dialga and Palkia even meant to be
>>56946975Palkia is a penis
>>56946769I'll never understand why insightful posts like this always end up ignored on this dumb site.
>>56946703The mythological inspiration is a Ryujin (sea dragon god) the design inspiration is elements of a wyvern, a grey heron, a stegosaurus, and clothes of a Kariginu.
>>56947041Unpopular opinion, but I like this artist's interpretation of it as a fusion between a plesiosaur and a proto-sea turtle.
>>56947037Overly deep discussions are nearly impossible on the internet, and this cesspit is one of the best places for them
>>56946703The Water's Great Guardian, duh.
>>56946703It's a boat.
>>56947078At least he didn't make it some kind of crab.
>>56946769I like to think of Ho-Oh and Lugia as Pokemon's Amaterasu and Susanoo, it's probably just a coincidence, but they fit the role very well in their world.Poor Tsukoyomi being just a visual element in Lugia's design.
>>56947116>Lugia if she gen 10
>>56947156Plus Ho-Oh has her "wolf" heralds
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>>56947189its a shame there's so little art of them together
>>56946835THISSO MUCHTHIS
>>56947156For sure. Lugia was also cast out of its divine domain, its tower having been destroyed by a lightning strike from a storm. I always thought Lugia was the one who accidentally caused the storm in the first place, hence why it hides underwater to atone.
I don't really care for the anime, but I just rewatched the Lugia movie and it was surprisingly pretty good.
>>56946740Honestly if I had to bullshit some connections between the two like what we have for every other box legend duoResurrection/Destruction Joy/SadnessProsperity/Misfortune(the dex says Ho-oh's feathers brings happiness to those who have them while Lugia hides himself because he causes winds that are too strong)Moving on from tragedy/Being haunted by it(Ho-oh made something new from the death and destruction while Lugia isolated himself)
>>56946703Dolphin
>>56947683i thought it was a beluga whale with wing fingers.
>>56947690The bone structure supports this.
>>56946703>What the fuck is Lugia even supposed to be?A Water/Dragon.
>>56947731beluga whales have same basic bone stucture. they are both mammels. they use to walk on the land, they have finger bones in their flippers too.
>>56946703The best legendary design of its time and I still rate it the best but I'm a nostalgia homo
>>56946703plesiosaur with viking ship elements
Where did the SOVL go after gen 3 (2 (1))
>>56947918When are heart and soul are gone, only black and white remains.
>GSC>Hamster Trio>Time Traveling Mouse>Rainbow MarmotLugia is clearly a Chipmunk.
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>>56946728Ningen were not even a thing then, zoom zoom.
>>56947037What's more to say at this point We already know why it happened how it happened.At best one can try to surmise what the mythology would have been like further going if they hadn't established this duology motif for each generation of games.Would Ruby and Sapphire be the way they are?
>>56946703a bird, you fucking idiot.
>>56948009>Would Ruby and Sapphire be the way they are?Thanks for raising an interesting question. RSE is reliant on the big kaiju fight between Groudon and Kyogre but if they don't exist, I think it can still remain mostly the same. Magma/Aqua would still try to upset the balance of land/sea using technological means and you'll put a stop to their not-as-apocalyptic plans without any legendaries involved. Rayquaza would still be in the Sky Pillar in the postgame to represent natural balance and serve the Mewtwo role as usual.For Diamond and Pearl without Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina), it'll just be the Lake Trio and Arceus as the Mewtwo role instead of being a mythical. Galactic plot would still involve legendaries due to how intertwined they are.Cyrus summons Arceus through the Azure Flute and controls it with the Red Chain so you have to defeat Arceus (who you cannot catch at this point because Red Chain) and beat Cyrus. Then after you become champion, you can go to Celestic Town to get the Azure Flute from Cynthia or her grandparents to access the Hall of Origin so you can fight and capture Arceus for real.
>>56947078Whatta crap design
>>56946703Freudian mommy issues sea dragon. Oedipus complex. >>56946718 Shudo was a bit of a mess.
>>56948009>>56948182I really can't imagine Scarlet and Violet without the Dons and Sun and Moon without Nebby would have been a fair bit differentThe dogs could easily be combined into one and Zygarde could have powered up the weapon instead
>>56946769>>later games like HGSS leaned more into Lugia being the “dragon” to Ho-oh’s “phoenix”Suzaku and the azure dragon whose name I can't recall? I assume you mean this since it's affiliated with the real cave that the Ruins of Alph were based on that had those illustrations.
>>56948009>>56948182>>56948254Unova could also have the plot legendary/Mewtwo role be Kyurem or the original dragon, who represents truth alone (or justice alone, to match Team Plasma's self-righteousness). The dragon joins N and you beat them to prove that having the embodiment of truth/justice on his side doesn't mean his cause is right, because what is true and just depends on perspective since the world is not Black and White.Alola can still have Nebby if it doesn't evolve or only evolves into Lunala because its main significance (aside from Lillie's growth) is opening the portal to Ultra Space. SM's plot would be more like USUM with Necrozma as the plot legend/Mewtwo role, but without its fusions.
>>56946703Its a me, Luigi
