What's the best gen of competitive Pokemon?
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>>56955596Ngl that Vaporeon girl is pretty cute, not enough to make that retarded pasta or unfunny morons worth it but still…As for your question, I feel Gen 6 onward have too high power level ceiling, with Gen 8 being too way far and Gen 9 being almost unplayable. Gen 1’s glitches are over blown but so many Pokémon have so little options, status seems broken and things seem too fast Gen 2 seems like an over correction on gen 1, way too slow will make you hate the move rest and snorlax. However Nintendo cup 2000 is still played and actually seems much more playable due to being set at level 50 (making things less bulky which balances the overall lower offense power) I’d say a toss up between 3,4, 5 depending on your mood.
>>56955596>What's the best gen of competitive Pokemon?Gen III and it's not close whatsoever.
>>56957178>I feel Gen 6 onward have too high power level ceilingthat's true>Gen 1’s glitches are over blown but so many Pokémon have so little options, status seems brokenmostly true>Gen 2 seems like an over correction on gen 1, way too slow will make you hate the move rest and snorlax.Somewhat true.
>>56955596Between Gens 4 and 5. It's post-physical/special split but before power creep crossed the rubicon. Gens 6 and 7 were still fun, however.
>>56957252>but before power creep crossed the rubiconoh brother
>>56955596>UbersGen 5>OUGens 3 or 4>Lower TiersGens 4 or 5Gen 3 OU is probably the single most skillful generation and format of all time, but the absurdly high skill floor and generally situational nature of most pokemon can make it off-putting to get into. There's nothing overtly broken, the "best" pokemon in the format, generally considered to be Tyranitar, is a bulky generalist that some top players don't even use because it's not specifically good at anything. The lower tiers are kinda stally though.Generation 5's power creep has started to infect OU with diarrhea, but the lower tiers are flush with tons of weird, niche shitmons with super good roles and niches. The lower tiers of Gen 5 are probably the single most diverse set of formats to exist, with most tiers being completely receptive to dipping multiple tiers lower for exactly the right pokemon. It is also probably the most interesting Ubers format, with nothing being obscenely broken, tons of ways to run pokemon, and nearly every box art boy you can imagine being usable to some extent. Generation 4 isn't as finely tuned as generation 3, but is a lot more tuned around coming up with a team that does something, making for a very fun, dynamic, and occasionally chaotic and swingy format, pretty much regardless of tier. There's still some shitmons unlike BW where most pokemon can do SOMETHING, but the overall game flow and feel is very nice.I will die on the hill that team preview was the single worst thing to happen to competitive pokemon. The game is so much less interactive when you can just see the team and intuit roles than when you have to also control and gain information, and can play around mystery trump cards.
>>56957315>The lower tiers are kinda stally though.every tier other than UUBL is fucked by retarded councils composed of whiny manchildrenthey aren't inherently shit, they're shit because of shitty policies by shitty people which will never change at this pointGen III NU is deceptively playable but if you do soul-searching you should come to realize you're playing a fraudulent tier that's only decent by total accident
>>56957315>is a lot more tuned around coming up with a team that does somethingis this a euphemism for "easier to teambuild in"
>>56957315>The game is so much less interactive when you can just see the team and intuit roles than when you have to also control and gain information, and can play around mystery trump cards.guessies is not a good or fun part of Pokemonthe open teamsheet should have been in effect from the beginningit furthermore raises the artificial difficulty by requiring more rote memorization to be competitive---memorization which can easily be rendered useless by an off-the-wall decision
Gen8Dynamax was fun as heckeveryone gets to be a mega
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this board seems to talk a lot about Smogon tiers and official formats like VGC but how come i don't see anybody talking about Anything Goes?
>>56955596gen3 hits the perfect power level>>56957979no one wants to play against revive cats, and AG breaks "muh evasion/OHKO moves"
>>56957195Gen 3 is ass. Everything is fat as fuck with leftovers and your only option for wall breaking is to raw dog focus punch for 35% at a time. The lack of team preview also removes half of the strategy from the game. Gen 5 is peak pokemans.
>>56955596Gen 7. Lots of room for creative teambuilding and the brokens like lele and medicham are really fun to play with.
>>56958028>weather wars>peak
>>56958765Weather wars are more interesting than eternal sand domination.
>>56957979>how come i don't see anybody talking about Anything Goes?it's a fanfic tier too now
>>56958028everything in this post is wrongif you want to play offense you have quite a few optionsgen 5 is broken
ORAS OU is underrated and clearly the best team preview OU meta imo
>>56959571fanfic meta with half the mega-evolutions banned along with needless other casualities of burgeoning smogonism like AegislashI hate gen 7 and even its ou is more diverse and better paced
>>56957979Gen 6 AG where Klefki ruled the tier was some hilarious cancer. I don't think it's a coincidence that 5 different parts of its kit where nerfed in gen 7.
>>56959599All the megas that are banned deserve to be banned and Aegislash is cancer. Can maybe see an argument for Mawile since it's held back by Speed but everything else needed to go.
>>56959553Gen 3 is ass. Most games boil down to a late game rock slide flinch/miss or Blissey ends up killing 4 mons in a row while they impotently bitch slap it with special attacks and brick breaks. The move pool is garbage.
>>56959685>All the megas that are banned deserve to be banned and Aegislash is cancer.Well have fun with your playerbase of a couple dozen dudes and declining playcount. The fact the majority disagree by omission surely doesn't matter.
>>56959694muh close combat and draco meteorzoom zoom zoom
>>56960105You're fucking retarded. Not only are most megas legal in OU but the ones that aren't are obviously broken. You're genuinely delusional if you think Kangaskhan or Lucario are fine in OU. They aren't and if you disagree you don't play. Even if these broken megas were legal you wouldn't play anyway.
>>56959661how is it fanfic? the concept of Anything Goes was created as early as Stadium. it's one of the options in Free Battle mode
Gen 6 and its not even close.
>>56960707>>56959551I replied to the wrong post on accident but are you specifically talking about natdex anything goes that staretd when the dexcut happened? if so I take back what I said
>>56960568>You're fucking retardedyeah me and the hundreds of other people playing gen 3 ou instead where there are almost no such "muh broken" banshttps://www.smogon.com/stats/2024-10/gen3ou-0.txt>the ones that aren't are obviously brokenkeep telling yourself that>You're genuinely delusional if you think Kangaskhan or Lucario are fine in OUhttps://youtu.be/HB3A43fqS3A?si=au-OVci2W2K3A6HMhttps://youtu.be/7fwHm3sOguw?si=qOJo66FFyUMG2trs>They aren't and if you disagree you don't play.again, me and the hundreds of other people who've left your poorly tiered garbage in oblivion>Even if these broken megas were legal you wouldn't play anyway.I would dabble in; but since it's a fanfic tier full of arbitrary bans decided a decade ago, there's zero point---zero glory, zero fun, zero lessons to be learned other than how to make a metagame dull and unplayablethe proto-gen 8 ou
>>56960729I'm talking about an Anything Goes where there's bans
>>56960911Where did I say anything about gen 3? Are you mentally challenged?>links Verlisify videoOk, you really are mentally challenged. Embarrassing retard thinks he knows anything because he watches Verlisify videos. By the way, I'm going to spell out some facts for you. Out of the 48 megas in ORAS only 6 (yes, six) are directly banned from OU. That's 12.5% and not half like hysterical crybabies like you like to claim. If you add the megas that aren't legal by default since their baseforms aren't (Rayquaza, Mewtwo X/Y and Blaziken) that's still only 10 out of 48 megas. Anybody who claims ORAS OU is some unplayable mess because Kangaskhan and Lucario got banned is an embarrassing imbecile who has no clue what he's talking about. This is the last reply you're getting. I've seen enough of you morons on /vp/ to know you're going to reply with some complete non-sequitur again because you don't actually play and you have never played but you feel deeply invested in telling people that metagames are unplayable because obviously broken shit nobody actually wants in the tier is banned. Reminds me of the retards who cried for years and years that their bro Blaziken is banned and what happened when it got unbanned? Silence, because these retards don't actually play. They just look for ways to get outraged about metas because they feel smart when they point out perceived "injustices" in a fucking Pokemon battle simulator. Always getting upset over bans nobody who actually plays minds.
>>56957178>5hahahahahaha
>>56960911By the way, one more hilarious thing since you keep insisting that gen 3 OU has no unfair bans or shit even though I didn't even say anything about any tier that isn't ORAS OU. Cacturne is essentially banned from gen 3 OU because of Sand Veil. I don't disagree with the ban because dealing with Sand Veil is unfun cancer but a retard like you should get up in arms about the fact that a Pokemon like Cacturne is banned from your flawless tier. No shit it has fewer bans because fewer legendaries, mythicals and the likes exist and there are no megas, no Z-moves, no tera etc. What about the Swagger ban? What about Mr. Mime being banned due to Soundproof? I thought Gen 3 OU has no "muh broken" bans? A clueless retard like you probably doesn't even know about these things because Verlisify didn't make a video about them. Every tier has annoying cancer most people who actually play don't want in the tier. Why /vp/ is filled with the kind of people who have no clue what goes on in a tier but feel entitled to complain about bans is beyond me.
>>56959571ORAS OU is not really underrated, it's universally considered one of the best tiers. People don't play that much because USUM OU exists and games there are usually shorter since stall is actually good in Gen 6.
Every time someone says "I like Gen 5 OU the best" I wonder, WHICH period of Gen 5 OU do you like? It's not like that tier ever settled down how it should play out.
>>56961106>People don't play that much because USUM OU existsgee almost like most people think it's worse and your former statement is baseless
>>56960995>what happened when it got unbanned?Blaziken is still banned in gen6ou.>They just look for ways to get outraged about metas because they feel smart when they point out perceived "injustices" in a fucking Pokemon battle simulator.whatever cope keeps you going>Always getting upset over bans nobody who actually plays minds.yeah all couple dozen of said players lol
>>56961097>your flawless tiernobody said it was flawless>you should get up in arms about the fact that a Pokemon like Cacturne is bannedI do>No shit it has fewer bans because fewer legendaries, mythicals and the likes exist and there are no megas, no Z-moves, no tera etc.Logic isn't logicing>What about the Swagger ban?a ban nobody asked for or voted for that got backported by councilnigs gen 6'ers lol>What about Mr. Mime being banned due to Soundproof?all wrapped up in the council's hatred of baton passjust like mean lookmeanwhile we couldn't even use baton pass in gen 6 ou if we wanted toso gen 3 ou is still better by default even as fucked as it is by smogontard councilnigs>A clueless retard like youlol ya seethe>Every tier has annoying cancerway to miss my point and self-report where your mind's at
>>56961173It literally doesn't matter; anyone who votes for it is simply a zoomer who would already defend unova to the death
>>56955596def not gen 9
>>56955596Gen 6 because Pachirisu won the World Championship.>M-Muh SinglesSingles is a fanfic format, VGC is the competitive format.
>>56955596Gens 2 or 3, depending on you specific tastes. Past that things start getting too minmaxed.
>>56955596Gen 9. Competitive is the only thing that continues to improve with each gen. Thanks Morimoto.
>>56960923i'll confess i stopped playing anything online related to pokemon since gen 7, when did that happen and what was banned? mega rayquaza?
>>569555963 and 4 have the best mechanics/game balance, but actually playing them without a simulator is super unfeasible. 6 and 7 are also pretty good and much more accessible5, 8, and especially 9 are all drastically worse than the others
>>56955596I'm talking about Smogon and Random Battles because I play those the most. From best to worst:The best (8/10 or better experiences)>Gen 4>Gen 3>Gen 6POWER GAPThe middle (6 or 7/10 experiences)>Gen 2>Gen 7>Gen 5POWER GAPGood to try sometimes (4 or 5/10)>Gen 9>Gen 1POWER GAPButtcheeks (3/10 or lower)>Gen 8The top 3 in my eyes are the best meta with the split (also best without team preview, best overall, and most accessible with fundamentals), the best pre-split meta, and the best team preview meta. Gens 2, 5, and 7 are all fun in small doses for very different reasons. 2 is super slow and methodical, 5 is the only one with true weather wars and pre-nerf Hidden Power, and 7 is fucking chaos. They work best as a supplement to the top 3 in my opinion, but I would rarely choose to play any of them. It gets more nuanced if you look at tiers below OU. Gen 9 is interesting, I just think it's marred by some of the worst balancing ever. Tera is cool and every decision matters. Gen 1 just a mess, but at least it's straightforward. Gen 8 is absolutely robbed by its lack of an interesting mechanic to set it apart, really slow gameplay, and bad balance. It's like playing Gen 4 with absolutely none of the enjoyment.All of these numbers change if you're playing Battle Spot or VGC. Gen 6 is probably the best on cart for both of those in my opinion. It's relatively easy to build a team on cart, nothing stands out as super unbeatable, Megas are a reasonable gimmick without Z Moves to worry about, and bullshit introduced in Gen 7 is absent. It's the only Gen where I really didn't enjoy the story, but found the online to be enjoyable on cart.
