What's the lore reason behind Origin forms not giving a buff like Primal forms? Aren't they both supposed to be reversions?
>>56957291Arceus was a tranny cuckold spinoff buffing Samurott and Goodra, nothing from Sinnoh.
>>56957291Game freak loves Hoeen more than Sinnoh. Simple ass
>>56957291They're not reverting to previous power, they are literally just adapting to normal dimensions and vice versa.
>>56957307Why do the masters of land and sea get ultra powerful forms capable of overpowering the gods of time and space then?
>>56957336Its not like they weren't already overpowering supposed equals in the lake trio.
>>56957291>What's the lore reason behind Origin forms not giving a buff like Primal forms?They never were buffs. They were always a more optimized stat redistribution at the cost of a held item slot.They were never Mega-Evolutions.
>>56957336>godsRetard alert
>>56957291ORAS was an actual good game with effort put into itPLA was a tech demo cash grab
>>56957293>>56957414These
hoennCHADS win again
>>56957291Even worse when you realize the Origin form items don't provide any boosts like the Orbs + they nerfed Giratina. They're just an objectively inferior version of the Primal items.
>>56957291Dialga and Palkia got Origin Forms to match Giratina's Origin Form.Giratina's stats stay the same between both Altered and Origin Forms.They obviously wanted the trio 1:1:1 with each other, so Dialga's and Palkia's BST stayed the same.Meanwhile Groudon's and Kyogre's Origin Forms are counterparts to Mega Evolutions.All Mega Evolutions got a +100 BST increase. To stay 1:1, so did their Origin Forms.
>>56957553They should've just given Origin Giratina a +100 stat boost alongside Dialga and Palkia.
>>56957291Well teraleak disproves this but my headcanon remains that the original plot of PLA planned to have Dialga/Palkia attempt to usurp Arceus, and that those forms were their attempt at becoming the new Arceus, but ultimately failed and just ended up being Abominations, thus justifying their stats and designBut the truth is probably Giratina-O's fault and the fact they were too lazy to give Giratina a Giratina-O-O-for-real form
>>56957291They dont even need a buff, just a stat redistribution like beedril. Dialga doesnt use physical attacking moves anyways so you might as well just lower it to 20
>>56957291>Aren't they both supposed to be reversions?No. Origin forms are just what they look like in Heaven.Their true angelic form.Primal Reversion is what they were like back at the beginning of the world.So theoretically you could primal revert one of the origin forms.
>>56957405>he doesn't know Sinnoh lore
>>56957291legends shitceus was a mistakehow many times do we have to remind you, young man?
>>56957757>godI don't worship the weak, my only god is strength.
>>56957797post your bench
>>56957291Giratina didn't get a buff to its stats.But the new forms not getting new abilities is some bullshit.
>>56957291good Id hate for these ugly modern art pieces to be meta like a goated Hoenn trio
>>56957845The Sinnoh trio are the worst pair of box legends these days.
>>56957847worst are galar dogs doe
>>56957848Shes talking comp doebeit
>>56957855oh my bad xher carry on then
>>56957848Zacian being totally broken makes up for Zamazenta being terrible. Both of the Sinnoh dragons are mediocre.
>>56957291There is no lore reason for why the Primal Weather Trio are more powerful than the Origin Creation Trio, PLA and BDSP are just shit games that built upon nothing from Sinnoh.
>>56957882>PLA and BDSP are just shit games that built upon nothing from Sinnohthisboth games are a disgrace to the sinnoh region
Primal forms were mega evolutions, but not called ME to make them "special" and "different" from ME (yet they haven't appeared in a game without ME since oddly).
>>56957757Sounds like you don’t. Seehttps://x.com/Junichi_Masuda/status/175734183895908352>>56957291>>56957336>>56957299Yeah. Hoenn’s legendaries actually had a modicum of thought put into them from a design, lore, and gameplay perspective. From the outset they’ve had conflicting types and abilities to highlight the duality between the land/sea. Using one in battle against the other is like Aqua facing off against Magma. Their designs also reflect this; Kyogre is a cross between an orca and a fish with a teardrop shape, and Groudon a lizard-mole being with a back made of tectonic plates. They have opposing color patterns to reflect duality and the control of the opposite orb. When ORAS released and everyone got super forms, it made sense to turn Groudon into a lava dino covered in magma veins, and Kyogre into a primordial soup with a visible nervous system to reflect early sea life. They already had an existing direction, and the primal forms flowed from it.Dialga and Palkia meanwhile lacked thematic cohesion. Off of Masuda’s past comments, they seem to have been designed around the idea of needing a “diamond” and a “pearl” mascot as apparently those two titles sounded cool together in his head. The recent leaks show they threw everything at the wall for the two of them thematically: light/darkness, light/time, humans/pokemon etc. before finally settling on timespace. They visually have nothing to do with timespace at all; going off of the ingame dialogue, Gamefreak had a difficult time deciding if they were to work in tandem or if they clashed. Instead of having unique abilities to reflect their themes, they have the throwaway “pressure” that people had already been tired of in Gen 3. Instead of signature moves that reflect the distortion of timespace, they have moves with animations repurposed from an older theme. It’s no wonder their origin forms are so hackneyed- they’re literally just there because “muh Giratina” had one.
>>56957363>"They were always a more optimized stat redistribution">the fucking mon able to distort time is slow as fuck, and way slower than the one able to distort spaceWell, their "optimization" needs some work.
>>56958434Nothing ever actually implies dialga can do anything other than just shoot raw time energy and time travel.Additionally thats an ability/move issue, speed should be reflective of basic reflexes.Dialga is slower because it looks slower. Also distorting space is still a massive gain in mobility.
>>56958323>yet they haven't appeared in a game without ME since oddlyBecause, like you said, Primal Reversion is Mega Evolution with another name. Adding Primal Reversion while leaving out Mega Evolution would separate Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre from Mega Rayquaza, how that would ever happen?
>>56958548>inb4 mega fug Is in za but not the primals
>>56957291Groudon and Kyogre get stronger in their primal forms because that's what they were like before Rayquaza mega evolved and crippled them. The creation trio's origin forms are simply what they feel comfortable in when they're going through spacetime or the distortion world, both are forms are at their full power.
>>56958864*the origin forms and altered forms are both at their full power.
>>56958562They're either all missing the cut because they're hoennmons, or (more likely, given there's only 48 existing currently and whatever others GF add), they all return and attempt to straighten out the bullshit ORAS vomited onto the lore.That they promoted XY with what amounted to be a tease for Hoenn remakes by distributing a Torchic with Blazikenite makes me think their presentation of three particular pokémkon alongside the L: A starters makes me thing they're similarly teasing the starters for L: Z-A using marketing for ID. That one of them already appeared in XY, has a Mega AND is an official Symbol of France makes me think they're all going to return because few remember it was in XY, but all remember ORAS.
>>56957291What's the lore reason behind Origin forms looking like shit?
>>56959035They came out in a shit spinoff like PLA instead of a good one.
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>>56959035Giratina was designed with an alternate form in mind from the get-go. Dialga and Palkia were not; their new Origin Formes are hideous failures because they're forced attempts at tying back to Giratina, when they were never intended to have alternate forms in the first place. And, judging by the tera leaks, Dialga and Palkia's design process was a mess on every level: the designs themselves, their powers, and themes.
>>56959152Still doesn't explain why dialga has a torpedo in its throat
>>56959206So then it makes sense to try and tie all three together more closely (as Giratna was a late tack-on to the origin myth) they also got origin forms. That all three add details to call back to Arceus is an attempt to make it appear they were all three intended to be from the startI wasn't sure if Dialga/Palkia had OF's in the concept stage, but knowing they don't makes it more obvious the aim. If they had, it would have been finalising the initial concept.
>>56959052This isn't Primal, it's Dark Dialga and it sucks ass. It's literally a recolor, lazy pieces of shit. Also Palkia was better in that game.
>>56959268yeah but a lazy recolor looks 10x better than the hideous shit they did in PLA
>it's good that it looks shit because it's muh childhoodAmazing how you can miss the wood for the trees today, huh? The opinions of kids are the only thing that matter and adults thinking something's shit are to be ignored.
>>56959301>it's good that it looks like shit because it came from my favorite shit spinoffthat you boomerfag
>>56957291Not even gen 6 legendaries got pseudo-megas or even regular megas in their own fucking generation while the hoennchads threw a downright apocalyptic party. It's a hoennchad world, and you're all just living in it.
>>56957291Lore and Stats have never been connected to each other, Gen 6 was back when GF didn't care about competitive and they obviously regret how strong they made Megas since they dropped Megas afterwards for a long time.
>>5695729And people act like LA is some sort of consolation prize for BDSP when LA is the root cause of BDSP turning out like it did. I fucking HATE gamefreak.
>>56958386Time and Space are more abstract concepts that aren't so easily depicted. Are you saying that they should have drawn a bunch of clocks all over Dialga?
>>56957291Hoen privelege
>>56958957>an unova starter>ever getting a megaanon stop being delusional. you know as well as me that GF hate all three way too much to ever give even one of them a mega evo.And i say that as someone who atually like all three.
>>56959308That's the problem kid. I don't buy TPC shite and Game Freak don't make spin offs. And your childhood spin off shite is not immune to the complaints of adults, considering you're using your childhood experiences to compare them to your adult interactions of pokémon. It was dogshit then, it's dogshit now. Only thing that's changed is retard kids think they're important because no child left behind, everyone is special.
>>56959922Not seeing it dude. Serp's popular in Japan and a damn sight moreso than Empoleon which got gigacucked by Piplup in Gen 4.And if they're giving that jobber a mega to go along with M-Blaziken, then M-Serp's gonna be a thing.
>>56957848trio?
>>56959916thisKnow your fuckin place, sinnohDOGS
>>56958957this makes sense since blaziken already has a mega, so we could get mega serperior and mega empoleon
>>56959253Palkia lost its claws so spacial rend is weaker. Dialga has a diamond in its throat so roar of time is weaker.
>>56961586Thats only in LA and Roar of Time does not become weaker, it loses accuracy for more powerAnd Spacial Rend loses accuracy and power for higher crit rate
Groudon and Kyogre are the only box legends that have 670 bst instead of 680 so they had to be given a bone.
>>56962932Their bone was having weather abilities.
>>56963489Boner lol
>>56957291Because gameplay =/= story
>>56961586holy kino
>>56957472Palkia's has... SOME use, as a partial Scarf with move flexibility. It's not the best set, but it is an option.Giratina's best days are behind it either way. Being a spin blocker ain't what it used to be, much less being one using Boots-Lite to ignore Spike damage.Dialga is just hilariously, unimaginably bad. Like, I am actually impressed they could make something as vile and wretched as Dialga Origin by apparent accident.
The reason the gen 1-5 box legendaries suck (except for the weather setters) is they don't fucking DO anything, yeah they have good stats but they aren't that much more powerful than the average 600 bst mon because they aren't minmaxed and they have niche abilities like Pressure or Mold Breaker reskins. Maybe you'll get a decent signature move or you'll be stuck with a meme that's barely better than an existing one.Modern legendaries actually DO things other than having bigger numbers, they can sweep you, support the team with field effects, or spam a really powerful move.First step to fixing the old legendaries is strip all of the pressureslop, give them abilities that affect the course of a battle, and make slight minmaxes to stats they don't use. As long as things like water spout whale, ice/ghost horse spam, and electro lizard exist there is little reason to use most of the box legendaries in the game.
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