can someone explain the time travel twist to someone who never played this game? are the professors evil or something?

>>56964731
Here we go again..

>>56964723
>SV
>kino
lmao

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>>56964723
out kinoing this rq

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>>56964723
Why was SV so much better than PLA

>>56964805
>Why was trash so much better than garbage
I truly don't know

>>56964811
Don't get too cocky.

someone start the fucking thread already

There are easier ways to shitpost than this imaginationfag

>>56964853
Is this imaginationfag in the room with us now?

>>56964723
>pic unrelated

>>56964731
The professors you see in the game are AI robots imbued with the professor's memories and personality. The real professor died probably about 2 years before the start of the game.
As for the time travel part, it's ambiguous whether Paradox Pokémon are really from the past/future or if they are from alternate timelines.

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>>56964723
i'm here to save this thread

>>56964922
Where did GameFreak get those background images anyway?

>>56964922
Finally the thread started

>>56964930
google

>>56964805
because it wasn't?

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>>56964805
it wasnt

>>56964940
Highest selling pokemon game in japan, and soon to be world wide. SV won and is beloved and better than PLAshit.

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time to save thread for real

>>56964940
These retards are the same kind of ""people"" who said EOS is a bad game for no good reason

>>56964940
Based
>>56964946
And still TRASH >>56964940

>soon to be world wide.
lmao
>is beloved
lmao
>better than PLA
lmao

>>56964723
>>56964760
>>56964792
>>56964922
>>56964947
>GAYmefreak games
These can't be kino

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>>56964950
looking like a gameboy game isn't a good reason?

>>56964952
Yup, SV won. PLAshit lost.

>>56964968
What's wrong with looking like a gameboy game?

>Gameboy games le bad
My guess is either a low effort bait or the retard never played any other gameboy game that isn't fucking pokemon

>>56964968
They're right that time, darkness, and sky should have been one game with all the features, but wrong about everything else.

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>>56964723
SV is full of kino. Based game. First gen I enjoyed in ages.

>>56964983
I'm morally obliged to tell you that you are factually correct. Based indeed.

>>56964983
Kieran is forgiven because he's my bf, but everything else sucks

>>56964805
SV isn’t particularly good by any means, but PLA was pretty much a spinoff to a test a few features. hollow cashgrab

>>56964983
what is he apologizing for

>>56964983
Area Zero >>> DLC crap

>>56965005
For being a chuuni ass bitch

>>56965012
Such arrogance...

This whole world is warped and twisted.

>>56965022
Don't you agree? Anon.

Shut your mouth...

>>56964983
>we could start over from zero
dhsjdd
HE SAID THE THING

You ignorant, foolish vermin.

>>56965053
What thing?

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>>56964991
Well my bf is Arven so I need you to apologise right now, anon.
>>56965008
I did like the DLC a lot, but overall, I agree. I was also disappointed how little the DLC had to do with Area Zero. It's honestly audacious that the DLC was called "The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero" when literally only the last 20 minutes of the game are about that. I just expected to find out a bit more about the mysteries around the crater and Paradox Pokémon.

Anyway, here's more Kieran kino. The fact that he focuses all his attacks on Ogerpon when it's on the field is amazing.

>>56965087
I'm still needing confirmation that Terrapagos is just time travel because the AI thing feels way too out of left field.

Everything that it expresses and does feel more 'wish fulfillment' that ties into how it can access such over "Yeah, these pokemon are just alternate timeline versions of pokemon that look like ours and thats it" when clearly it's the whole paradox of Sada/Turo seeing these Pokemon ideas in a magazine and imagining them to be such when they attempt to bring Pokemon from the past/future.

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>>56965108
No anon, it's just timeline shenanigans. The anime confirmed that yesterday as well. The imagination stuff was a red herring. Pecharunt is the wish fulfilment guy and he has no connection with Terapagos.

Also, pic related, both to what you said and this thread.

>>56965087
>Kieran kino
Kikino...

>>56965140
I haven't seen it yet as I only just finished binging the episodes yesterday morning before it came out. I'll check it out, but consider my stance somewhat stubborn since I know timeline/time travel shit exists since we got 2 Pokemon involved with that.

But someone wishing to have an extra pair of hands and building a working AI duplicate beyond anything we have seen in Pokemon is still worth scrutinizing that something is up and the answer smacked at us doesn't feel conclusive.

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>>56964723
ENTER

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THE KING OF THE COSMOS
THE EATER OF LIGHT
THE NUZLOCKE ENDER
THE YOUTUBER DESTROYER
THE UNDISPUTED GOD OF LEGENDARIES


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFTemk99fLU

>>56965087
>It's honestly audacious that the DLC was called "The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero"
I genuinely believe that Game Freak was trying to make the "hidden treasure" a double meaning in the same way Clavell uses treasure to refer to either Terapagos or Kieran's story (since he's a DLC/hidden character). It's the only explanation for how blatantly shafted Terapagos got, more than it being because they wanted to expand on it in the anime.

Then something just snapped, something inside of me. I didn't care anymore,

>>56965140
>The anime confirmed that yesterday as well
You didn't watch the anime, did you.

>>56965213
>blatantly shafted Terapagos got
In what way?

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>>56965140
>it's just timeline shenanigans. The anime confirmed that yesterday as well.
You get btfo'd every single time imaginationfag.

>>56965641
Huh? The image is showing exactly what I said.

>>56965641
>Imagination theory proves Time Travel or a Pseudo version based on peoples wishes
>Time Travel fags continue to shit into trumpets that it's just Dialga/Celebi repeat and to ignore everything like how Paradox Pokemon make no sense, It has nothing to do with Terastylization (Something definitely said to be because of Terapagos), or how Sada/Turo made a perfect AI robot clone of themselves despite no evidence of it before it happened.

Terapagos manipulates reality to a persons desire, not simply Time travel. Simply put, it can fuck with time.

>>56965915
>that it's just Dialga/Celebi repeat
When in the ever loving fuck did they give us distant past and future plots?

>>56965960
In PLA

>>56965964
Yeah because being sent by Arceus 150 years ago is the same is bringing pokemon in from several million years ago.

>>56965992
Urgh...

>>56965641
The anime was the last crutch imaginationfag had. It truly is over for him.

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>>56964723
Is there any significance to Sada and Turo having different dominant hands? Some Japanese culture shit or whatever?

>>56964930
They're all stock images from Google Image Search. Seriously, every single one.

>>56966013
Holy cringe... I thought they at least added those from their travels, but no...

>>56966006
Glitch KINO

>>56966029
Pretty sure they didn't start travelling for games until gen 6.

>>56966005
How? Our theory is "manipulated reality explains time travel"

Your theory is just "It's just time travel" and fails to explain Terastylization

>>56966043
I believe they traveled for gen 5 to New York though

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Still gives me the creeps

>>56966048
Nigga you can't even spell

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>>56966206
Understandable

>>56966207
I don't care, that isn't an argument

>>56966297
You're right, the games showing you literal timetravel is tho

>>56966048
Your theory went from
>granted their deepest wishes by creating fake pokemon and mind controlled heath and the professor
To
>it's multiple timelines because of a mistranslation but not really because it was the main game that was a mistranslation
To
>the anime! The anime proves me right!
And lo and behold the anime just has it as strict time travel.

How many times do you have to be wrong until you finally fuck off?

>>56966354
2 and 3 have literally nothing to do with each other, what are you on about bro

>>56966365
It's almost as if your belief in these inane theories is the only connecting element.

>>56966354
I mean, this guy IS the yawnfag of lore threads.

According to my infinite wisdom, y'all are stupid

>>56966374
Nigga I'm neither of those people
Take your fucking schizo meds lmao
>>56966384
Only smart person in the thread

>>56966309
Yeah... In HGSS unreleased event and the setup for PLA. SV shows a portal dropping Pokeballs to release copies of Pokemon from a magazine stated to be 'dubious' and had the professor appear at the pool that you create the bootstrap paradox where text in the game changes because of it.

The divide in what you and >>56966354
are wanking off to feel a smug sense of superiority is accepted, but not the full answer to what we state Terapagos power is. Because you guys still cannot explain Terastal phenomenon and the AI robot the professors made since that is connected to Terapagos and are clearly not because of Time Travel.

If making a robot human clone is just that easy, why is there no evidence of it beforehand? Why did it happen after Sada/Turo happened to wish for an extra pair of hands to work as efficiently as them? Did a exact robot version of them appear before the time machine was finished, something that Sada/Turo didn't start making because their original goal was to study Area Zero and the Terastal phenomeon?

Even your so called 'anime proof' is just simply reusing the same thing because they are looking for a place that doesn't exist in the modern world of Pokemon that only a Legendary trainer long ago was able to access with Terapagos. Which in the corner I argue, is a place that wouldn't exist in reality and in your case would be a place in the past (or future because IT'S JUST TURTLE TIME TRAVEL)

>Kino moments thread
>Most of it is spent discussing time shenanigans

>>56966451
It's because Pokemon lacks Kino moments

>>56966443
>from a magazine stated to be 'dubious'
All Paradox Pokemon were described in the Scarlet/Violet Book 200 years before Occulture existed, they just wrote literal fanfics on it for entertainment purposes
It's a fucking pop culture magazine
>where text in the game changes because of it.
Literally not a thing
>you guys still cannot explain Terastal phenomenon
Terapagos causes it, read the dex entry and several other sources stating so
>the AI robot the professors made
There is nothing to explain, and you can even give the professor the idea when you meet him at the lake lol
>If making a robot human clone is just that easy, why is there no evidence of it beforehand?
Why do you need evidence? You can see the fucking robot
Is the MC not real because the game doesn't show his parents having sex?? Lmao
>Why did it happen after Sada/Turo happened to wish for an extra pair of hands to work as efficiently as them?
Because it's a solution to that literal problem, it literally says so
>"If only there were two of me"
>"Hey wait a fucking minute"
It's not a fucking plothole
>Did a exact robot version of them appear before the time machine was finished,
It didn't appear, they made it to build the machine
>something that Sada/Turo didn't start making because their original goal was to study Area Zero and the Terastal phenomeon?
Liberally wrong, they always wanted to study time travel, they only studied Terastal because of funding
Once they completed the Tera Orb they went back to Area Zero solely to make the time machine, which is why Arven never saw them again ever since they left the lighthouse lab (the poor fucking sod)

Did you even play the fucking game bro, be honest

>>56966443
>but not the full answer to what we state Terapagos power is.
Not that you lot ever decided on that.

>>56966564
Both the game and the anime are still rather vague on that to be fair

>>56966491
>Terapagos causes it
Yeah, And same with the time travel shit you guys flap your retarded gums about.

It's Terapagos influencing and changing reality to such, not simply time travel. That is the entire point.

>Why do you need evidence to explain how something that never existed in the game suddenly exists without any setup
Because the lack of evidence is proof towards the true ability of Terapagos influencing such. People don't randomly build robot clones and not recall how, especially since this is a first in the Pokemon series of a living and thinking robot that isn't a Pokemon.

The issue is that I played the game and see it lining in one way. You simply take it too much at face value.

Simply put, I argue that Terapagos powers are connected. Yours is that it has the power to change Pokemon types and time travel and those are two seperate powers it has.

And we are both calling each other retards because you cannot accept that I think your answer is shit, and I can't accept that Gamefreak is completely speaking 100% the truth on this.

>>56966443
>Because you guys still cannot explain Terastal phenomenon
What the fuck are you talking about? The game explained that way before the Area Zero DLC came out. It was exposure to the tera crystals. That's all it's ever been.
The dlc just added the stellar type being the every type to explain why exposure could change types.
>the AI robot the professors made since that is connected to Terapagos
It's not, it's just an AI powered by tera energy. Technically there's connection but it's a connection in the same way as saying cars run on dinosaurs.
>If making a robot human clone is just that easy, why is there no evidence of it beforehand
The dlc establishes that you gave them the idea for the AI before they even pulled the paradox cyclizar through.
That's at least a span of 10 years.
In other words they were working on the AI before they "wished for an extra pair of hands".
>Did a exact robot version of them appear before the time machine was finished,
It was obviously finished after the time machine you should have paid attention to game.
>something that Sada/Turo didn't start making because their original goal was to study Area Zero and the Terastal phenomeon?
Except their original goal was always searching for the pokemon in the books. The terastal phenomenon and the orb was a side project to secure funding.

This is all in game, how did you miss this?

>>56966569
It's really not, both establish that Terapagos is a pokemon with time travel abilities that can generate crystals with the power of every type.

>>56966627
Which begets the argument. The people stating it's two completely seperate powers and those saying it's a single power applied to both.

That is literally all the argument is about this entire thread. The people who say 'IT'S JUST TIME TRAVEL' think Terapagos has the power to time travel and change Pokemons typing. They accept that everything Gamefreak has put in is the truth because it's what the read.

The other side that is 'imagination/reality bending/whatever alternate theory' is simply 'Terapagos has a single power that causes all of this.'That Gamefreak is being vague and misleading what it actually is because there is barely any info present about it besides that we don't think things add up.

And we argue like it's the theory of evolution between 'What if we evolved from Monkeys' vs 'God made us in his own image because that is what the bible says.'

>>56966616
I've read them, I just think there is more to it then that. You are basically saying that it's easy for someone whose field of study is time travel to simply be able to make a fucking perfectly humanoid robot duplicate without questioning there might be fuckery.

>>56966575
>It's Terapagos influencing and changing reality to such, not simply time travel
Except there's no instance of it changing reality, all it's done is pull things through time.
>Because the lack of evidence is proof towards the true ability of Terapagos influencing such
Anon, lack of evidence is just lack of evidence. It means you have no grounds for your argument.
>and not recall how
Who said they didn't know? We don't ever talk to the professor who completed the AI so you can't make that claim.
>especially since this is a first in the Pokemon series of a living and thinking robot that isn't a Pokemon.
See you had to add
>that isn't a pokemon
Because you know Magearna completely shuts down that argument since the only real difference between it and the AI professor is the shell they were put in.
If you took out Magearna's soul heart and put it into a new vessel, like the AI body for instance, it's now just a human based machine.
>The issue is that I played the game and see it lining in one way
The issue is that you played the game and it completely blew your mind because you lack the ability to infer and put information together so you had to resort to literal magic as an explanation. I mean, how else would anyone get to wishes and desires in a game where no wishes and desires are ever granted upon contact with crystals or Terapagos?
Meanwhile the theme of past and future is baked into every part of this generation whether you're playing the game or watching the anime.

>And we are both calling each other retards because you cannot accept that I think your answer is shit,
Anon, we're saying you're wrong becayse there's no evidence for your theory whatsoever.
You're calling us retards because you don't like the idea of time travel and being told you're wrong.

>>56966686
>I just think there is more to it then that
On what basis?
"I don't like it" isn't grounds for an argument or evidence for an alternative theory.
>You are basically saying that it's easy for someone whose field of study is time travel to simply be able to make a fucking perfectly humanoid robot duplicate without questioning there might be fuckery.
Anon, literal quantum mechanics is leagues above AI. I mean, in the real world we have shmucks on twitch making AI's of anime girls for fun in their spare time and you think people in a world where man made artificial life forms are a dime a dozen couldn't make a human one in the span of 10 years?

Its like you didn't put an iota of thought into this.

>>56964940
Pfffffft Oh no no no SVbros

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>>56964723
This absolute unit in general
>Platinum's jumpscare and distortion world
>Volo fight double fake out
High tier legendary

>>56966849
That shit in Platinum legit scared me a bit and I was like 14 years old

>>56966849
Yeah it was really cool, and still is

>>56966754
Using something someone already created and the tools to move it in one way or another. Comparing this to what Sada/Turo created is leagues different. You accept the answer because 'Professors are smart people who would know how to do anything smart because they are professors. When understanding what constitutes creating a thinking machine and breaking physics are two completely different things. Which is funny because you argue that Terapagos power to create new types and also time travel are two completely seperate powers when the argument simply is 'it is one and the same'.

Also, People don't understand how the artificial lifeforms are made exactly. They don't know how Pokemon make eggs. Magearna is a rare example of one brought to life and it's MYTHICAL. It's not commonplace thing that people are doing and there was never any setup to it besides at the end of being able to suggest to Sada/Turo to build a robot. There is no clues and evidence or prototypes or hints. It just exists. DON'T ASK QUESTION, ACCEPT THE ANSWER.

Why does Terapagos have two different powers that have nothing to do with each other? DON'T QUESTION, ACCEPT THE ANSWER

I accept there is time travel, I argue that there is more to it then just simply repeating the power Celebi and Dialga already have. But nah... You guys will just argue that the mystery turtle has two gimmicks and that it's all solved.

>>56966627
Yes, that's the gist of it, but the details are still vague as shit
We don't know how the fuck the time travel shit works
There's several open questions
Are alternate timelines involved or not?
How does Terapagos decide when and who it transports through time and space? Is it even a conscious decision? What's its endgame?
Are always two Terapagos involved?
If yes, does it have to be the same Terapagos in different points of time?
It's all still quite a mystery

We also don't know everything about Terastal yet
How did Tera crystals end up in Kitakami?
What's the liquid in the orb in the Terarium?
Why did Tera energies start spreading from the bottom of Area Zero to the entirety of Paldea?

In other words we still have a lot of unanswered questions about Terapagos
However none of them have to do with imagination lmfao

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>>56964723
https://youtu.be/dC2SeIYWE-I

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>>56964723
This shit blew my fucking mind.

>>56966965
I don't know why, but it just didn't hit as hard in HGSS. Maybe because you never played as "that version" of Red?

>>56966931
Yeah, the thing is that 'Imagination' is the first theory and the one people hound others upon. The ideas and suggestion keep changing, but the only thing people here keep chiming and claiming about is 'It's just Time Travel. Shut up'

Which is funny because it's almost an 'Infinite Regress' that is just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

>What are the Paradox Pokemon
Pokemon from the past and future
>Okay, But that doesn't make sense because Fossil Pokemon for the past Pokemon and the futur-
Dude it's time travel, The Jigglypuff came from before the earth cooled
>But that doesn't really connect with...
Dude, it's just Time travel
>But what about the robot AI
There is a time machine, The answer is Time travel
>But what abou-
TIME. TRAVEL

>>56967002
Yes but unironically
It is time travel
Infinite regress is time travel too
How the fuck can anyone still believe in imagination after all this proof against it, I'm honest to god getting second hand embarrassment

>>56967128
Because we aren't saying Imagination anymore. We literally came up with a new explanation and you reject it on the same merits because your observations and reading comprehension is stuck on 'Time Travel'.

Literally you would be arguing that the world is flat and earth is the center of the universe with the sun orbiting it back in the day and getting 'second hand embaressment' because some fuck argued the world is round, or that maybe we revolve around the sun.

You'ld probably be bitching about plate tectonic nonsense a 100 years ago unless some book told you it's true.

>>56967176
You're just trolling right? I refuse anyone would unironically believe in "time travel through imagination" or whatever nonsense you're cooking up

>>56967194
So you're saying you still believe that Paradox Pokemon are from the future and the past when the game explicitly says otherwise?

>>56967211
The game does not explicitly say otherwise, what are you smoking??
The game doesn't make it explicitly clear if paradoxes are straight up the past/future or from alternate timelines
Afaik either can't really be proven or disproven

>>56967002
>>Okay, But that doesn't make sense because Fossil Pokemon for the past Pokemon and the futur-
>Dude it's time travel, The Jigglypuff came from before the earth cooled
Imaginationfags everyone, treating the past as a single location.

Part of the issue that while you keep pushing 'It's time travel'; some of us aren't fully convinced that is the whole answer. We can agree there is something afoot that is making something we can call time travel, but before the DLC we didn't have anything to go on but the main plot and the end of the DLC creates a new Paradox without explaining it further.
Imagination was the first idea because Paradox pokemon are illogical to actual pokemon from the past. It's something dreamed up and made real caused by the crystals in Area Zero tied to Terapagos.

Even then in the anime, there is still questions since while we got people seeking answers and we see more of 'viewing into the past' or what yesterdays answer brought... Why can't a modern world with satellites find this hidden paradise of 'Laqua' and the 'Laquium crysals' tied to Terrapagos as well.
The answer cannot simply be time travel. It can certainly cause it, we don't deny that now.

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>>56964731
Adding to what >>56964869 say:
yes, the actual professor (not the AI) became villain. Too obsessed with paradoxes he/she aimed to build a paradox paradise ignoring the disastrous consequences for Paldea's ecosystem. The AI was actually the voice of reason, and contacted you to stop the machine that is bringing paradoxes to present time.
But when you're about to stop it, the real professor left special programming to defend the system, overriding the AI's function. That's when the possessed AI challenges you.

While at it >>56964723 you should have put the actual kino moment within the kino moment

>>56967365
It's alternate timelines

>>56967176
>We literally came up with a new explanation and you reject it on the same merits because your observations and reading comprehension is stuck on 'Time Travel'.
People don't reject your ideas based on a went for theirs, well, you clearly do based on this thread. Anyway, it's rejected because it doesn't make a lick of sense.
In these threads I've seen so many of you say that timelines are interchangeable with universes and that timelines magically split for no reason and just genuine retarded babble over and over again while ignoring the game itself.

Another good one is how you lot genuinely believe arven was born the same time the time machine was activated because you take everything at face value, even though that would make Arven around 9 since the professor setting up base, making the tera orb, making the time machine etc all takes place in a span of 10 years.
To make things worse, when met with the DLC that suggests Arven was born before those 10 years, something that fixes that age discrepancy, you use that as evidence of another timeline leaving the issue unresolved in the main game.
That's insane.

That's why no one takes you or your dumbass theory seriously, you throw out any and all notions of logic and plausiblity and replace it with what you want just like a flat earther.

>>56966966
Why though?

Who's stronger, time-schizzos or imagination-schizzos?

>>56967254
>The game does not explicitly say otherwise, what are you smoking??
>Koraidon, which I entrusted to <player>...was the first Pokémon that was successfully retrieved from the past by the time machine."
>"Through analysis of its genetic makeup, as well as its behavioral patterns...I came to realize that what I had discovered was in fact an ancient form of Cyclizar, the Pokémon commonly ridden in this region."
Taken directly from the game by the way.
Keep in mind that even if multiple timelines were a thing, they aren't, the further back you go the more timelines would converge so while the future ones could be a potential future the past ones are set in stone as from the past.

>>56967409
Define strength.
I mean, if we're going with sheer autism power then imaginationfags can't be beat.

>>56967399
>Our time machine research has yielded a triumph—a Pokémon from the ancient past!
>I've named it Koraidon.
>I was expecting one new life to treasure, but what fortune to be blessed with this gift as well!

>I was expecting one new life to treasure

>>56967365
>some of us aren't fully convinced that is the whole answer.
Do you also believe the world is flat? Because that's the same logic they use when they repeatedly do curvature experiments and realise the earth isn't in fact flat.

>and the 'Laquium crysals' tied to Terrapagos as well.
By the way the Laquium was stated to be the opposite of Terapagos by Spinel.

>>56967430
>because you take everything at face value
Thank you for proving me right.
That could be taken as
>I'm expecting one child soon and now I have another
or the way game suggests
>I have a kid already, what a happy accident this dog is

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>>56967450
Ah yes
The Power of Anti-Time Travel

>>56967430
>criticised for being retarded and taking text at face value
>proceeds to be retarded and take text at face value
It's like you just enjoy being the butt of the joke.

>>56967491
So are we just going to ignore the fact that the first time this happened it was used to take out a terastalized pokemon?
Terastalization being Terapagos' gimmick.

It's almost as if they're hinting at something.

>>56967478
My only argument is Terapagos power can cause time travel, not that it's power IS time travel. What it exactly is, I don't know. But Time Travel and Terastallization aren't two completely seperate powers, there is more to it that Game Freak ain't letting on because of the anime.

>>56967514
But it's power is time travel, the time travel chads have clearly explained it as such.

>>56967547
What about the dream chads? You know, that it was all a dream in the end

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>>56967399
>because you take everything at face value
Yes, it's called "believing what the game tells you"
It's cool that you wanna write fanfiction and all that but you do have to acknowledge that it's not canon buddy

>>56967412
And what does that have to do with the imagination headcanon that anon was proposing? If anything, DNA is proof that it can't be imagination. We always knew that.
And timelines diverging further doesn't mean DNA just goes away. We can still reconstruct the history of entire species through genetic makeup, even when it goes millions of years back.
>>56967478
Please learn English grammar and tenses to understand what the expression "was expecting" actually means in terms of the time frame it's conveying here.

>>56967617
But what if the characters lied?

>>56967660
Yeah it's all just a giant ruse
Turo laughing in his grave cause you read his fake journal
That little rascal!

>>56967673
Actually,, his corpse is beneath all the rubble of some building somewhere in Area Zero...

>>56967617
>Yes, it's called "believing what the game tells you"
Yeah, and the game tells you he can't be 9 and gives you an answer in the dlc. Which for some reason is being rejected for alternate timelines.
Do you see the issue?

>>56967657
>Please learn English grammar and tenses to understand what the expression "was expecting"
You're saying that despite not understanding the difference between "I'M expecting" and "WAS expecting".

>>56967684
Yes yees, I'm beginning to see the issue... The issue is you

>>56967684
>>56967700
Sorry, this came off as very rude

>>56967657
>to understand what the expression "was expecting" actually means in terms of the time frame it's conveying here.
NTA but you are aware that your own logic would lead to arven being born before the first raidon, right?
If they WERE expecting a new life then that life either died or was already born, in either situation it's in the past.

>>56965610
Because Terapagos did not appear until the very end of Indigo Disk and had zero moments to endear you to it before you catch it which was extremely disappointing compared to how involved Ogerpon was in Teal Mask.

>>56967721
PAST?!?!

LIKE

TIME TRAVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>56964723
>Master ball
I kneel

>>56966043
From the recent leaks we know they traveled to hokkaido for gen 4... so I think it's reasonable to assume that they've always done trips

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>>56964723

>>56966006
Right hand is seen as the hand of creation, so the hand that builds the future, while the left is seen as the hand that destroy, so the ruins of the past.

>>56964760
its not gen 7 sucked

>>56965163
nah that sucked worst games in the series

>>56967684
>it can't be that because it goes against my theory
Ok
It's still alternate timelines tho despite your headcanon

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>>56964723

>>56969389
>it can't be that because it goes against my theory
Anon, he's saying it goes against the game, not the theory and if your theory uses something that goes against the game then you have a theory that doesn't work. That's why timelines don't make sense.

>>56969544
It makes perfect sense but you gotta think about it a bit dude
It explains everything including the book and why Arven's age doesn't line up
But imagination time loop or whatever is cool too I guess if you simply ignore facts lol

>>56969570
>It explains everything including the book and why Arven's age doesn't line up
No, no it doesn't.
Your timeline theory is all about not explaining these issues but instead shunting them off to another timeline you never see where you can just say they make sense without proving they make sense. It's pretty much what people were doing with the imagination theory using what's essentially magic to explain what they didn't understand even if the game explained it right in front of their eyes, like the origin of paradox pokemon for instance being from the past or future but I digress.

Basically the more you think about it the more issues arise.
And let's not get into the whole infinite regress part of your theory, since you don't have a defined start or end point which is required for an infinite regress.

>>56969254
Based

>>56969570
>It explains everything including the book and why Arven's age doesn't line up
No?
Having two timelines doesn't mean you're explaining why arven is the wrong age in one.
As for the book that would make even less sense since it wouldn't lead to the same events that caused the timeline crossover so it would end after the first instance.

It would only work if it was bootstrap paradox and a single timeline.

>>56969599
>shunting them off to another timeline you never see
You literally do see it because you talk to someone from it lmfao
It makes perfect sense you just don't understand it
>since you don't have a defined start
Yes you do
You're the start because you break the cycle
Like what the MC does at the lake is basically the top of the turtle
It's so funny how niggas don't want to accept infinite regress when Terapagos design is blatantly based on that very concept like open your damn eyes lmao

Look man I can hold your dick for you but I can't teach you how to piss
You need to do the brainwork required to understand the story
If you can't make sense out of what the game shows you then that's ok but it really doesn't mean that your headcanon is right and everyone else is wrong my dude
You're not the center of the universe yknow

>>56969628
>As for the book that would make even less sense since it wouldn't lead to the same events that caused the timeline crossover so it would end after the first instance.
Ooooohhh anon you're sooo close to getting it omg
Ok so you said it would lead to a different outcome right
So imagine (lel) if it just.... did that, whoa
So that means it's a different timeline because it's a different outcome
And if there's more than one timeline it also means that the was another crossover with another timeline before that
Like yknow, one crossover is the result of another, they build up on each other
Like a stack... of... turtles... whoa
And then Sada or Turo give you the book which breaks the cycle which means the MC is the CHAD top turtle basically
>It would only work if it was bootstrap paradox and a single timeline.
It literally wouldn't because the book needs to exist for that

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>>56964723
This is the only moment that mattered. When they released the PokeMikus.

>>56969647
>You literally do see it because you talk to someone from it lmfao
Seeing someone from that timeline isn't the same as seeing the timeline itself. What we would know would be limited to that brief interaction meaning we can infer absolutely nothing other than the fact that it lines up with the main timeline putting into doubt the idea of a second timeline.
>You're the start because you break the cycle
Then it's not an infinite recursion you're just an end with an undefined start.
An infinite recursion is defined by a starting point and going on infinitely from there, it's also used almost exclusively in reference to logical fallacies but that's neither here nor there.
>Like what the MC does at the lake is basically the top of the turtle
It's not, it's the end, you yourself just said that. Breaking the cycle means that the cycle is over.

>It's so funny how niggas don't want to accept infinite regress when Terapagos design is blatantly based on that very concept like open your damn eyes lmao
Terapagos has the design, sure, but this is also a Japanese game and turtles all the way down is a western logical fallacy. They probably just saw that there was an infinite thing with turtles and designed a pokemon around it without understanding the actual meaning.
Which is something you should understand very well since you don't understand the concept yourself, you just see the word "infinite" and think that's it.

>Look man I can hold your dick for you but I can't teach you how to piss
That's pretty gay. I don't know why you're thinking about touching dicks but whatever.
>You need to do the brainwork required to understand the story
Yeah I know, and you're not putting it in. You're just throwing concepts together expecting it to solve itself.
Just look at how you haven't once actually tried to explain how your theory works, your responses are just
>IT WORKS! YOU'RE JUST TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND, BELIEVE ME!

>>56967491
QRD on picrel? Is it a new mode related to the anime or?

>>56969665
>So that means it's a different timeline because it's a different outcome
You absolute fucking moron. Your theory literally doesn't allow for it to be different or the infinite regress ends.
An infinite regress isn't a loop, it's a chain, you can't make a change or the chain breaks and that's it.
ALSO if you believe the split happened after the book change happened then that just means that the professor we meet is the exact same as the one from the main timeline until we change it meaning your evidence for it being a different timeline goes to shit.

>>56969761
Red Crystal makes pokemon berserk and it's the anti-terastalization that Terapagos hates.

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>>56969757
>other than the fact that it lines up with the main timeline
But it literally doesn't tho
I know you don't wanna accept it for some reason but Arven's age doesn't line up
>Then it's not an infinite recursion you're just an end with an undefined start
>It's not, it's the end, you yourself just said that.
That's literally what infinite regress is... what's the end or the beginning depends on your perspective
So what happened to the game MC is basically P1 in this pic
P2 is the journal entry the prof described in their secret lab
And so on
Unless you wanna headcanon that the prof still build a time machine even without the book then I guess but that's headcanon
>turtles all the way down is a western logical fallacy
How does is matter where it's form lmao
>They probably just saw that there was an infinite thing with turtles and designed a pokemon around it without understanding the actual meaning.
"Probably" huh..... cool headcanon anon
>you haven't once actually tried to explain how your theory works
The fuck do you MEAN LMAO
Half of this thread is off topic babble explaining this shit, desu I feel bad for OP that a bunch of autists hijacked this thread
Ok anon I have one more proposal
When I'm home this evening I'll make an infographic
Maybe you'll understand when it's something visual because words don't seem to work
>>56969768
>Your theory literally doesn't allow for it to be different or the infinite regress ends.
Well it doesnt always end but in this case it does
Or starts, as I said it kinda depends on your perspective, but obviously there has to be an end or beginning cause it's a stack of turtles not a circle
>ALSO if you believe the split happened after the book change happened then that just means that the professor we meet is the exact same as the one from the main timeline
It's not the same prof lol

>>56969774
I see

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Anyway let's go back to the actual topic
Beni turning from funny looking old man into badass ninja motherfucker was fucking cool
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CcL29WI-cOI
Also loved the parallels to Wally's team even though he's very different as a character

Also after the game he said that he wants to move to a warmer place which means that that old fuck impregnated some chick in Hoenn much younger than him
Absolute chad

>>56970023
Yeah that really took me by surprise haha

>>56969930
>I know you don't wanna accept it for some reason but Arven's age doesn't line up
Arven's ages lines up perfectly in a singular timeline, it doesn't work in your multiple timeline theory since you're suggesting that they were born at different points with the main timeline arven being younger.
That's one of the main issues with your theory that you're still avoiding.
>So what happened to the game MC is basically P1 in this pic
>P2 is the journal entry the prof described in their secret lab
>And so on
If you had actually read that journal entry you would know that we can't logically be the first instance in an infinite regress
>While investigating the hidden treasure, I found myself transported to a great height, near a lake that smelled of sulfur. Based on temperature and humidity, I believe it to have been the eastern lands I've read about before.
>And there, a child gave me a white volume.
As you can see there's a record of the encounter meaning one happened before. If it were the start then that encounter wouldn't exist.
This is what I'm talking about, you don't understand the idea of an infinite regress at all. It continues infinitely but you're treating it as if it's a loop.
>How does is matter where it's form lmao
Just look at what happened with Assassin's Creed Shadows as an example. Granted you do have to have the capacity for intelligent thought and at this point I'm doubtful that you do.
>I'll make an infographic
Another identifier for you other than making these threads and ignoring the plot holes and contradictions you create? Yippee...

>>56969930
>Well it doesnt always end
What the actual fuck do you mean?
Of course it ends, just look at your own image. It's the same question being asked about a different subject
>p1 holds
>why did p1 hold?
>because p2 did
>why did p2 hold
>because p3 did
And so on. In other words an infinite regress for the situation in pokemon would be
>the player gave the professor the book
>why did the player give the professor the book?
>because the previous version of the player gave them the book
>why did that version of the player give them the book?
>because the previous version did
And so on, so you'd need the same occurrence to happen to continue the chain, having the player change it to a trade breaks that chain and it's no longer an infinite regress.
That's how it works you colossal dipshit.
>It's not the same prof lol
It can ONLY be the same professor you fucking idiot. The change happens after you give them the book so that would be when a new timeline is made, not with an imaginary non existent timeline.

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>>56970094
KINOOOOOOOOOO
KINO ALERTTTTTT

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>>56970023
Hate to break it to you but the purpose of this thread was to shitpost about the plot of SV.
This is the second time now that OP has made this thread only to immediately question the plot of SV with his imagination/timeline theory to bait people in because he thinks that it makes them mad rather than, you know, making himself look like an idiot.

>>56970068
>since you're suggesting that they were born at different points
No Arven was born at the same time
It's the profs research progressing differently that makes it clear that it's a different timeline
In the game the prof got the bike lizard around the time Arven was born
But the prof at the lake was like what the fuck is that when he saw your bike lizard even though apparently his son was old enough to be alone for a long time
So it can't be the same timeline simple as my dude
>>56970088
>It can ONLY be the same professor you fucking idiot
It literally can't but ok
>>56970102
You're probably right desu
Pretty sure he is also both anons that I quoted above pretending to be two people
I think he just ignores half the arguments to bait for more (You) cause everything has been explained like 5 times already so idk how he still doesn't understand

>>56970217
>It literally can't but ok
Do Turo and Sada exist in the same timeline?

>>56970910
Yes they are arwens parents

>>56970217
>Pretty sure he is also both anons that I quoted above pretending to be two people
I'm talking about you.

>>56970217
>It literally can't but ok
That's how timelines work, faggot.
If you go back before a potential split then they're the same instance, if you cause a split then they're different instances.

>>56970910
The game doesn't tell you that

>>56970910
The game alludes to them in the area zero journals
>I need more people. More time. That man walked out not long after the boy was born.
>I need more people. More time. That woman walked out not long after the boy was born.
So they exist but don't play the same role as their opposite version counterpart for obvious reasons.

>>56970962
Even then it's an assumption that the other parent is Sada/Turo
We can only speculate

>>56970993
Read between the lines anon.

>>56971009
>read things that aren't there
No I don't think I will anon
This is imaginationfaggotry all over again lmao

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>>56970993
>mother stays in one game
>mother leaves in another
>father stays in one game
>father stays in another
>arven himself has traits of both
>completely unfathomable that there the same person
Are you the same guy who thinks there are multiple timelines because he can't comprehend speech that isn't 100% literal?

>>56971025
Ah yes, the completely nonexistent pokemon game Scarlet and Violet where Arven's parents are indirect antagonists.
Those games certainly didn't happen and this image >>56964723 of an AI version of both his parents doesn't exist.

By the way, saying that people using the game are repeating the mistakes of the imagination theory implies two things
1) that you think that the imagination theory used evidence from the games
2) that you are the one behind the imagination theory.

>>56971047
Look dude the game says "that man/woman" not more not less, that's as vague as you can get
In fact it's already an assumption that that person is the other parent
It's obviously a very reasonable assumption but an assumption nonetheless
Believing it is headcanon whether you like it or not

Fwiw I do think the other parent is Sada/Turo but a slightly different iteration cause both as we see them in the game cannot exist at the same time
But that's my personal headcanon and the game doesn't back it up
>>56971063
LMAO what
Man all I'm saying that the game is very vague about Arven's other parent and that you shouldn't "read between the lines" because that's literally inserting your headcanons instead of just following canon
I'm referring to imagination shit cause they did the same dumb shit like with the drawing of the paradox trios
>hurrdurr it says they drew this from imagination so all paradoxes are imagination!!!
This kinda shit is "reading between the lines"
Don't fucking do that unless you want to write a fanfic then by all means

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I had no idea that Rayquaza existed, so I didn't know what was on top of the Sky Pillar. So it was a fantastic surprise after I finally got there because I was a retarded kid and needed ages to solve the puzzle. I thought it was the coolest shit ever.

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>>56971175
>I had no idea rayquaza existed
Did you not see the box or the title screen

>>56971199
I played Ruby before Emerald was even announced, anon.

>>56971104
>Man all I'm saying that the game is very vague about Arven's other parent
Except it isn't vague at all, you have a whole entire game about the other parent and like this anon said >>56971047
Arven resembles both rather than an unknown character.
I'll also add this since I read your reply to him.
>In fact it's already an assumption that that person is the other parent
It's not, the fact that the dialogue changes from man to woman and vice versa in the other game is telling you that it can only refer to the other parent or there would be no reason to change it or even specify man or woman. On top of that calling them "THAT man/woman" means they hold some kind of significance to the author.

This is basic inference, they teach this in basic English in civilised countries anon.

>>hurrdurr it says they drew this from imagination so all paradoxes are imagination!!!
>This kinda shit is "reading between the lines"
No, that's the opposite of reading between the lines. That's how you get headcanons like alternate timelines or create plot holes that didn't exist.
If you did read between the lines you couldn't possibly come to that conclusion since basically everything in the screams otherwise after all you have a literal imagined pokemon that doesn't actually exist if it was imagination it would have been manifested.

It's good to know that you realised how ridiculous imagination was though, it's only a matter of time until you drop timelines for the same reason.

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>>56971199
Did you not know that RS released two years before Emerald?

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>>56971222
I never finished RS so I didn't realize rayquaza was there to be quite honest with you family

>>56971209
Brother believe whatever headcanon you can come up with for Arven's other parent but it's still speculation that you can't proof with the info the game gives you
And I literally never believed in imagination because it never made sense but go off

>>56971230
Again, the other game is proof.
And for someone who doesn't believe in the imagination theory you sure are doing a lot of the same things that imagination theorists did, namely ignoring the game.

>>56971241
Anon what the fuck
The other game is basically a different universe, what are you talking about
It doesn't proof shit
>namely ignoring the game
LOOOL says the one who ignores the fact the other parent is only vaguely implied let alone their identity

>>56971230
Damn you're fucking stupid. Did you also think that Giovanni's kid was some unknown redhead until HGSS?

>>56971259
Do you really not get the difference between reasonable assumption and canon
Serious question

>>56971287
So you did think it was just a random redhead.

>>56971316
Answer the question anon
Silver being Giovanni's kid was the common fanon on but wasn't confirmed canon until later
In other words it was headcanon until GF confirmed it
Were you not alive back then or something?

>>56971287
The problem is that YOU don't see a difference between them. If you get information in one game you'll consider it an assumption if another game continues the lore or fills in a gap. So going off of what that anon said by your logic, Silver isn't Giovanni's son in FRLG and it still isn't despite HGSS confirming it.
Well, and the manga but you know, different continuities.

>>56971356
>Silver being Giovanni's kid was the common fanon on
No, no it wasn't. Not one single person ever made that connection until FRLG confirmed it.

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>>56971287
>it's an assumption that Sammy and Professor Oak were the same person because they didn't say it outright

>>56971376
>it still isn't despite HGSS confirming it.
???
What the fuck are you talking about lmao, the fuck are you projecting onto me

Look anon
The game mentions Arven's other parent existing
That's literally all it does
Everything you read into it regarding their identity is purely your own interpretation that you can't back up with game info no matter how much "sense" you think it makes anon-kun
>>56971398
Maybe I am thinking of the FRLG thing, I wasn't much on the internet before that time to be fair
Anyway that would only confirm that lore isn't canon until it is fully confirmed even if it's a common assumption
>>56971426
Technically yes, but the movie provides far more proof that they are the same person through the sketchbook, the similar names etc
The game doesn't provide jackshit about the identity of the other parent
So it's not a fair comparison my dude

>>56966849
Giratina hard carries the creation trio

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Oh look, it's the schizo who unironically believes that Japanese people are physically incapable of understanding philosophy if it's from the West. Glad to see people are still making fun of him. But I've had my fill already so I'll ignore all this.

Posting more kino. I always liked PLA's opening cutscene, although now that we know that they cut a huge part of it, it also makes me a bit sad.

>>56969706
she’s cute. do you think she has anything in her vagina?

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>>56971644
It's more likely than you think.

>>56966849
Shame that's the only good thing to come from gen 4, which is otherwise the worst gen in all respects.

>>56971496
>Technically yes
You can't be older than like 15.

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>>56964983
Nope. Kieran should have been possessed.

>>56971707
I'm 33
The movie does indeed not outright say it afaik but it becomes obvious from other stuff they visually show

>>56971710
Kieran getting possessed would have been fucking lame compared to him genuinely being like that. Kieran should have only teamed up with Pecharunt and co out of choice.

>>56971743
Yeah but they could hav made it so that his hatred for you allowed him to be possessed.

I think it would have been very cool if Pecharunt wanted to do it so he could catch Terapagos to time travel and make things right again with its "parents" and what it did to over-on and the man.

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>>56971644
Perhaps... some sand?

>>56971725
>I'm 33
Sure you are buddy.
Then again, it would explain why you can spend all this time shitposting. Your poor reading ability probably prevents you from getting a job.

>>56971496
>but the movie provides far more proof that they are the same person through the sketchbook
So hold on. Outright confirmation doesn't count as outright confirmation but a scene that by your logic would only hint at Sammy being Oak, that apparently was omitted from every future release or was dub only, I don't know since I can't find it on the any of my usual anime sites and sources, counts as direct evidence?

Where's the logic there exactly?

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I don't know what any of you retards are even yapping about anymore but it is funny that something with "Paradox" in its name and having to do with time travel is so heavily argued about nothing making sense.
In a franchise that has introduced multiple timelines and parallel worlds/universes, mind you.

>>56971894
>webm
What tf did I just watch?

>>56971894
I mean, we haven't had multiple timelines yet.
Pokemon's bread and butter ate universes and dimensions like the Megaverse.

>>56971827
Buddy it's Sunday
I got my 9-5 wagecuck session tomorrow
Cute attempt at a personal attack though kek
>>56971851
Ok anon lets compare
Arven's parent
>one single journal entry that refers to a man/woman in text only that is implied to be the parent from context of the previous entry
>that's literally it

Sammy and Prof Oak
>same name
>similar looks
>same sketch book
>Oak saying Ash and Sam will always be friends

Can you see how one is an assumption that is hardly backed up by anything and the other is a safe bet with sound evidence

>>56971940
And now let's really compare
Arven's parent
>journal entry refer in to them in an important light
>appears in the opposite version game as the main antagonist
>DLC has you talk to the real version
>arven resembles both Sada and Turo

Sammy and Oak
>Oak owning the sketchbook
>that's literally it
I suppose you could go with the same name but that's like saying everyone who turns when you shout mohammad in India is the same person. That goes for their Japanese name too Yukinari isn't as common as names with Sam but not rare.

>Can you see how one is an assumption that is hardly backed up by anything and the other is a safe bet with sound evidence
I certainly can, too bad about you though.

>>56964983
>ground zero
Did Kieran do 9/11? I mean blueberry takes place in unova which is based on nyc

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>>56971710
No, that would've made his whole character development worthless.
Besides, he definitely was influenced, just not full-on possessed. It's basically the straw that broke the camel's back.

>>56972168
Yeah but they could have made it so that his hatred for you allowed him to be possessed.

I think it would have been very cool if Pecharunt wanted to do it so he could catch Terapagos to time travel and make things right again with its "parents" and what it did to over-on and the man.

>>56972168
This is the first time we've seen a Pokemon character lash out like that in a game, right?

>>56972260
I mean, not including villains I think so.

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>>56972260
Lusamine also kinda goes off but yeah I guess she's a villain. Guzma also has his moment in Ultra Space.
It also comes down to a presentation problem. SV is the first game where they had something like cinematography and focused on character writing instead of just some halfhearted plot about the box legendary.

>>56971696
>Torterra evo line
>Staraptor
>Luxray
>Honchkrow
>Garchomp evo line
>Toxicroak evo line
>Magnezone
>Froslass
>Cynthia
>Gardenia
Bro, your taste?

>>56972260
Ghetsis has some pretty big ones like this
>"Shut your mouth! Shut up! Shut up! Shut UP! Don't talk like a person, you freak! No real person could talk to Pokémon!"
But normal friendly characters? Not really.
Even angsty Silver doesn't get that mad.

>>56972397
Silver is too aloof and chuuni to get mad.
I guess there's Hugh who gets pretty heated, but it seems mostly comedic.

>>56971751
>if Pecharunt wanted to do it so he could catch Terapagos to time travel and make things right again with its "parents"
That would have been more kino than what we actually got in regards to Terapagos.

>>56972647
How would Pecharunt even know about the time travel ability?

>>56971209
You know what the kicker here is?
He's going by bulbapedia. That's the only place dumb enough to act like they aren't his parents.

>>56972949
I'm going by the game's canon
Fuck do I care what bulbapedos think

>>56972168
It's kind of insane how much better SV's camerawork is compared to the previous 3D titles. Like it's not even anything outstanding for today's standards, but compared to everything before SV it's fucking cinema.

>>56972889
From Crystal Pool. The rumor about seeing sea relatives had to come from someone where, implying terapagos did its thing sometime before for people to know about it.

>>56973609
Knowing about the crystal pool and knowing about Terapagos' ability to bring things back and forth through time are two different things.
Terapagos itself isn't exactly common knowledge in the modern day let alone back whenever Pecharunt was KO'd by Ogrepon.

>>56973753
What I meant by Crystal Pool is the mythos around Crystal Pool. It was known to the locals that you could see deceased people, so we know Terapagos had to have used Time Travel in that spot in the past at some point. Now all the devs needed to do is have some sort of overarching backstory to explain Pecharunt essentially finding out through witnessing previous Terapagos actions at Crystal Pool, perhaps even using it once before.