Meganium bros...
>>56998472>outclassed by three NFEs
>>56998472>outclassed by roselia
Lol Smogon
>>56998504yeah, because meganium's real good in vgc right
>>56998504Meganium isn't good in VGC eitherThe only viable Johto starter is Typhlosion because he got a regional form with an OP typing along with access to Eruption That does still make them better off than the Sinnoh starter. Those guys saw 0 competitive play and receive no buffs or special forms of any kind
>>56998472How would (You) fix Meganium?>Hard Mode: no type changes>Impossible Mode: no type changes or ability changes
>>56998521Quiver Dance and/or Dragon Dance
>>56998520infernape and empoleon saw plenty of usage in gen 4 nigga, they just fell off afterwards
>>56998521NothingIt's okay for mediocre pokemon to existNot every starter needs to be hyper minmaxed with broken hidden abilities that warp the entire competitive format around themPeople are too used to the Incineroar/Rillaboom treatment
>>56998521What needs fixing? It's a bulky mon that supports its team with things like Screens, Safeguard, Aromatherapy, etcIt's a well-rounded starter that can also buff itself with Calm Mind or Swords DanceIt's real failing is being in a gen that hates Grass types... if it and Sceptile swapped places, people would be singing its praises, and calling Sceptile a jobber(hard truth- even in Hoenn, Sceptile IS a jobber)
>>56998521Give it Geomancy, a 100 BP grass type clone of Freeze Dry but for steel types, and Power Gem.
>>56998521give it recovery so it can tank properly instead of being a suicide screener
>>56998472>worse than tangelaholy lmao
>>56998521Meganium is perfect already.Pokémon fans have yearned for a hard mode for ages, not realizing that they had one all along.If you don't choose Chikorita, you're a pussy. Using MeGODnium is what separates the men from the boys.
this thread was made by >>56998008 after getting btfo by chadnium btw
>>56998831>btfoall I see is copium that everyone prefers chadphlosion over my moms dino
>>56999007>everyoneyeah, everyone with a 2 inch micro dick
>>56998521Stat rework every starter so they all have 535 BST.>HP: 80 -> 110>Attack: 82 -> 72>Defense: 100 -> 90>Special Attack: 83 -> 113>Special Defense: 100 -> 90 >Speed: 80 -> 60New signature move that is an 80% accurate Grass type Special Attack with 70 base power that inflicts Sleep.
>>56998544It's not okay for starters to be mediocre. Starters should, at the very least, be serviceable. If they're getting completely outclassed by Pokemon you can get later in the game, they've failed.
>>56999071Also, that signature move bypasses Safety Goggles and hits both opponents in a Double battle. Meganium would still be shit in Singles, but in VGC it would be everywhere.
>>56998600It does a terrible job at supporting its team for competitive and support pokemon are all useless in the singleplayer in actual battling.Also Meganium doesn’t learn Calm Mind in any generation.
>taking smogons opinion seriously
>>56998472I feel using the SV page would be more relevant >>56998805Not a single thing in that image is an argument for Meganium. If anything if that image is remotely representative of meganiun fans it suggests that Meganium has nothing likable about it and they only chose it to out of contraction spite against a cartoon badger.
>>56999322>t. yphlosion
>>56999249>Hur Dur SMOGON BAD!!Meganium is also trash in VGC too. It’s current usage is 0.01%.The one time it was decent was in GSC and its still largely outclassed by tons of grass types there.
>>56999463This is also true for 99% of Pokemon.Pokemon that are only good in Doubles or only good in Singles are the exception and take up only a small portion of all 1026 Pokemon.Sorry but Meganium is trash.
>>56998521Have Chikorita learn leech seed by level up instead of breeding. Make nearly all Pokémon competitive viable by making a point system for competitive team building which has the costs go up or down everyday based on winrate. Also maybe give it Earth power and Extradensory.
>>56999082like you failed at life.
>>56999082Who cares if they get outclassed you can beat the game with a fucking Ratata Kids will use what ever pokemon they want and beat the game anywaysIf you want to only use good pokemon go ahead. You can box your starter just like you can box all those early game shitmons
>>56999561Pokemon is an RPG and one made for kids. The few kids that actually picked Chikorita get a bad impression when it sucks shit, even at its best.
>>56998472It's one of my most important member if not the most important and I have 1879 elo on the OU ladder using her
>>56998472What inspired GameFreak to make an ability like Leaf Guard but make it worse than Hydration and make it the ability of shitmons (mostly grass types weak to fire) who would have an actual good ability?
>>56998521>>Hard Mode: no type changesGains Sleep Powder, Hidden Ability is Thick Fat instead of Leaf Guard.
>>56999688I picked CHADorita at the age of 7 and it was the most fun I had ever had. I regret nothing and still use chikorita every time to this day. In other words, you're a faggot
>>56999778>Pick the girly but not coombait starter>Calls others faggotslmao ok
>>56999986it's called playing on hard mode, retard
>>56998521>Hard Mode: Strength Sap and Triage>Impossible Mode: All but one point of Sp.Atk into Sp.Def, All but one point of Speed into Def. Signature move is Grass-type Body Press, also learns standard Body Press, Sleep Powder, and Cotton Guard.
>>56998504Why is this furrynigger so obsessed with dissing Smogon?Singles 6v6 and tiers was what Pokemon was supposed to be, that's why Smogon is popular.VGC is fanfic garbage to sell DLC-only busted trash like Urshifu, Ursaluna-BM, Ogerpon...
>>56998521Give it a Ceaceless edge-like move. Samurott-H would be ZU trash without it. Orthworm is ZUshit without Shed Tail.Meganium needs an offensive move that sets leech seed or screens
>>56999007ah yes, that what it got replaced by a waifu in pla
>>56998520feraligatr is a lot better than typhlosion
>>56998521sappy seed would be cool
>>569997021900s in current gen is 1600s in an old gen
>>57002122In singles but not in VGC, Typhlosion actually has a few placements in regionals before its regional (even during the extremely oppressive Mega Era). It was niche but it accomplished something. I don't think Gatr has ever even placed in a regional (though to be fair many starters haven't) >>57002117>waifu women don't look at "waifus" like this
>>56998521Hard modeGive it, pollen puff strength sap and triageImpossible mode:Boost it's stats, hp to 100, def and sdef to 120, attack to 62 speed to 60 Pollen puff, strength sap, a grass type body press Call it tree fall.
>>56998521Give it Sleep Powder, Rage Powder, and Victory Dance.
Game Freak deserves all the hate that Meganium gets while Meganium deserves none of it.
>>56999705Balancing has always been a complete joke with these shitty games.A complete joke that has been led by overused tropes and dicksucking for Water, Steel, Fairy, and furshit.Arceus deserves to be gangraped by a herd of Meganium.
>>56998521>Buff Leaf Guard by diverging it further from Hydration. Now it activates under Grassy Terrain as well as Sun and beside healing status under those effects, it now also blocks them entirely once the terrain/weather is up. This healing/protection also extends to your allies. Maybe let it heal self inflicted Sleep from Rest like Hydration now too, but not sure if that's broken if both you and your ally could abuse it. >Alternatively just replace Leaf Guard with Triage or something more thematic like Flower Veil, Sweet Veil, or Symbiosis. >Give it access to Strength Sap, Spicy Extract, Worry Seed, Chloroblast, Earth Power, Terrain Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Chilling Water, Alluring Voice, Dragon Cheer, Aromatic Mist, Floral Healing, Flower Shield, and bring back Aromatherapy >If we're passing out legendary moves, this thing could also get Seed Flare and Geomancy
>>57003421>beside healing status under those effects, it now also blocks them entirely once the terrain/weather is upAnon that’s what it did before and that’s partly why it sucks. Manaphy under rain could use rest and heal instantly while curing sleep.Leaf Guard will cause rest to fail and it wasn’t even like that before since prior to Gen 5, it could still use rest but not have it cured.Yes, GameFreak actually nerfed Leaf Guard in Gen 5.
>>57003658>Yes, GameFreak actually nerfed Leaf Guard in Gen 5.I'm just going to say it:Meganium would be better off in a different monster catching/raising/fighting game than Pokémon because Game Freak clearly doesn't give a fuck. The same can be said for others like Aurorus.not that this is a bad thing (it's actually good) because the games are fucking shit now
>>56998521Its whole lore is that it lures with its aroma. Make it that upon entrance the hitrate on opponents is 100%
We should convince Game Freak that Meganium is actually Incineroar.By doing this it'll have an actual movepool + VGC-tailored moves it doesn't actually need!
>>57003714So give it Supersweet Syrup?
>>57000265Samurott-H without Ceasless is RU at best. Sharpness makes it a budget Crawdaunt with more speed + Sucker Punch.It would in a similar boat as Typhlosion-H, sharing the same tier(NU) as the more powerful but slower Chandelure.
Samurott-H even with Ceaceless edge is bad actually
>>56998472now post typhlosion
>>57003884>Same rank as Water Ogerpon, Valiant, and Kyurem(a former Ubermon)Nah
>>57003895Makes me wonder if the leak would have been blown even further out of proportion if it was Meganium instead of Typhlosion.Considered the Pokemon community's attitude towards Meganium it would've been crucified.
>>56998521>>Hard Mode: no type changes>>Impossible Mode: no type changes or ability changesFuck off i do whatever i want with meganium
>>57003985Why Rock? What does that do for it?
>>57004062The dumb idea of "le dinosaur so le rock".Meganium isn't a fossil Pokémon and Reddit should know this.
>>57004090Fossilsmons turning into rock type after being resurrected will always be your headcanon
>>56998472I really hate the meme that meganium is the worst starter. It really isn't I've made both singles and doubles teams around it as a "challenge" and its really not that hard to make it succeed because its bulk is just so good 80/100/100 is about as good as it gets before legendaries. I've even made bayleef evolite into a wall a ubrs team couldn't break. I will say though that most everything meganium can do Tsareena is better at but that's really the only pokemon I would describe as a better meganiumThe worst starters are sceptile, Samurott and Blastoise. Sceptiles stats are a mess, and samurott and blastoise are are just such basic water types and there literally hundreds of other pokemon that do what they could ever want to do but better
>>57004242Megainium is the worst>When you're so shit people recommend NFEs over you >>56998477LMAO
>>57004242>I-It’s good actually because it makes it a challengeOnly challenged ones here are Chikorita fans.
>>57004242People really see Sceptile's speed stat and think that saves it from that shit tier movepoolSeriously, Serperior and its desert of a movepool functions better as a speedy Grass type than whatever the fuck Sceptile was supposed to be doing in Gen 3
Don't care, still picking and fucking meganium and evos
>>56998472I'm using it for a Petal Blizzard + Sap Sipper double battles team because I'm just crazy like that
>>56998521Jhoto Meganium should get Flower Veil (actually good since Meganium is a Grass type) as a hidden ability and should learn Calm MindMeganium should then get a Grass/Fire regional form with Flower Gift that now works on any Pokemon and additionally has Flower Trick.
>>56998805Ive always been amused by how zardfags would talk up charmander as the cool hard mode choice of starter but Chikorita never gets the same cred
>>57004533Is your reading comprehension in the third grade? He implied it was hardly a challenge to utilize Meganium.
>>57003921>m-muh fanfic metathats how you know its a shitmon.
>>56998521>Buffs:+15 HPNew Ability: TriageNew Level Up Moves: Jungle Healing, Follow Me, Helping Hand, Wide Guard, Floral Healing, Aromatherapy
>>57006467btw Jungle Healing doesn't work with Triage.Idk why, but it just doesn't for some reason.
>>57004544>>57005835People are usually biased against quadrupedal Pokemon, especially if it's based on a herbivore like Meganium. I can guarantee you that if Meganium was bipedal instead but kept the same stats and ability it wouldn't have been shit on as much. This would be called hypocrisy and double standards, or what I'd call the Sceptile Theorem.The Sceptile Theorem is the idea that a massively flawed bipedal Pokemon doesn't get as much shit as a quadrupedal Pokemon just because it's bipedal and "cool". Refer to: Tyrantrum and Aurorus and the sheepish circlejerk of "le weak to le everything xd".
