CMV: if these were the first switch games Pokémon would have saved it’s reputation
>>57016572Nobody thinks Pokemon's reputation is ruined except xitter tards who never play video games.
>>57016572<dexcut<movecut<single digit performance<towns are literally empty toilet paper rolls<really ugly pokemon and character designs<lack of set mode<lack of a battle facility<lack of option to turn off battle animationno, they would be probably hated even more than swshit just for removing more things
>>57016583>Nobody thinks Pokemon's reputation is ruinedThat's because there's nothing to ruin LOL
>>57016592yeah we're already at the bottom
>>57016572>if these were the first switch games Pokémon would have killed it’s reputation fasterFIFY
>>57016595Always have been
>>57016602Why are you here?
>>57016607Making fun of pokefaggots
>>57016659>Said the [Projecting]
>>57016572Yeah, SwSh really dropped the ball, and SV only barely fixed the Switch era reputation due to how bad it looks on the outside with its bad graphics and performance. People spamming the same 10 videos of early or extremely rare glitches certainly also doesn't help. It's an easy game to shit on if you haven't played it. Which is a shame because those who DID play it know that it was one of the better recent gens and definitely an overall improvement over SwSh.The fact that it sold well in Japan really says a lot. They aren't affected as much by bandwagoning and care less about graphics than the West, I think.
>>57016746>Tranny obsesser Based
>>57016572Unironically if the game did'nt run at 10 fps all the time it would be the best switch game
>>57016586>>57016746>
>>57016777nobody believes this
>>57016780Said the 4chin loser lmaoooo
>>57016800Parroting is admission of defeat
>>57016811>T. Parrot
>>57016777any game without all of the pokemon as the first console game would be hated THOUGH
>>57016817All pokemon games don't have every pokemon
>>57016823Ehm... RBY, LPA
>>57016777SWSH was never liked tho, even at their peak you had memes of "quality animations"
>>57016830It's funny because as terrible as SV looks, it didn't have animation blunders like that.
>>57016586Nah man, you're fucking ludo. There's no getting around the initial dexit butthurt, true, but every other pokefan would've coped it away or be too busy creaming buckets to the first Open World Pokemon Game. You see how many impressionable little drones jump up and down hailing Scarlet and Violet as the best one or "could've been the best without the bugs"? If Gamefreak came up with this as their first title the de-facto excuse would be>it's the first game on the console and it changed the formula, of course it'd be rough around the edges and not have every pokemon!Not to mention that Tera is a much better gimmick than Dynabrapping. If we could view alternate universes, I'd bet my left nut that a gen 8 Scarlet and Violet would've sold even more gangbusters than the one we have here.Now, if in this hypothetical timeline, SWSH was gen 9, flaws and all, then oh man. Hoo boy, hahahahahahaha.
>>57016572>They would have saved their reputation by releasing the objectively worse, glitchy, unfinished game??????
>>57016887In some strange far off Alternate Universe, SV would've somehow been worse than it already is. SWSH was mostly designed with uprezed 3DS specs in mind, which is why it was still mostly functional. If SV proved anything is that the "main" team has no fucking idea how to do console development, and they still probably would've still made Let's Go, and it eat away from valuable dev support, to saying nothing about Little Town Hero. It's a toss up on if the theoretical "gen 10 SWSH" would've been actual step forward or be the same bland and safe game we know it was now. I guess we're still waiting to see now if SV had any actual positive impact on the franchise
>>57016586This
>>57017225>Zardfag calling others non-white The irony
>>57016847Because its animations are always bad. so having one doesn't stand out
>>57017259The SwSh animation people made fun of was an important cutscene, not a battle animation. Pic rel. Completely different thing.
>>57017289SWSH's animations were lazy, but they at least worked the way they were supposed to. Outside of pre-animated cutscenes SV's animations are always piss ugly and sometimes don't even work.To this day I don't understand how SV gets off so much more lightly than SWSH despite every sin the latter is guilty of, SV does it worse
>>57017321>That trainer She's waiting for your dick
>>57017326Who are you even quoting? retard
We cant stop winning. SWOOSH.
interesting how every SV thread is full of sharties
>>57017345charizard and lopunny aren't from swooshart DOE
SV has a better story and human characters than SwSh, but SwSh wins in every other departments. Especially with the DLCs of both games added.
>>57017321>SV's animations are always piss ugly and sometimes don't even work.I've literally never seen the bug in your webm, and I have like 400h in Violet. Although yes, the sandwich "animation" is pathetic, and they would've been better off without it.But that's not a story cutscene. All story relevant cutscenes are fine and even have pretty good camera work sometimes. Huge improvement over SwSh.
>>57017376tell me you didnt play the game without telling me you didnt play the game.
>>57017401i literally didn't play it. but how the hell is lopunny and charizard supposed to be a pro
>>57017388I've seen plenty of bugs anon, they exist but that's besides the point. SV's animations aren't an improvment even if they did work, story cutscenes or not, they're painful to look at and the entire game is like this, they're still stiff and frankly the over low graphics only make it worseSWSH's animations and graphics weren't amazing, but they at least didn't hurt my eyes to look at, and worked for the most part.
>>57017469Again, I've never seen any of the bugs you are showing despite having hundreds of hours of playtime. Be honest, did you play on emulator or the 1.0.0 version on a hacked Switch? I don't say that to call you out or own you or anything, I'm genuinely curious why you experienced so many visual glitches when I didn't. Not once I had problems with animations not working.I definitely get that SV looks worse graphically than SwSh, but I am talking about overall animations and camera work specifically. Look at pic related: the moment is about how Marnie does a fake smile, but the camera doesn't change or zoom to show that to the player, it's completely static. The game does a poor job at showing what was supposed to be a charming moment for her character.I've never encountered these kind of problems in SV, it worked way more with the camera by choosing more interesting angles, zooming in when important things are shown, using some camera effects like blur or camera shakes etc. I missed this in SwSh, which is one of the reasons why its story falls so flat. With animations like this >>57017289 it's impossible to take the story seriously.SV definitely still had a lot of room for improvements for animations, especially outside of cutscenes with 2 or more characters interacting, but it definitely improved some thing that SwSh did wrong in this regard.
>>57017518I've done this song and dance too many times to go deeper, believe me when I say I've had my share of glitches or don't. That's besides the point anyway. SV's animations, while more active, don't look good with either the style or movements, intentional or otherwise, there's just as many movement where they look like dolls barely being moved than actual characters and the camera being shit most of the game doesn't help matters barely focusing on a character or what they're supposed to be feeling. SWSH, isn't much better, but it has its moments and the very least knew how to protray its characters in a sastifying way, maybe not all the time, but enough. Again, SWSH, it's just kinda lame with how lazy it can be. SV actively hurts my eyes to look at for long periods of time.
>>57016572Nah
>>57017557Yeah, overall I agree with you, SV's animations are still too stiff. Especially now that the story on focus is bigger, because they you pay more attention to it.
>>57017586>story on focusChrist*focus on story
Nope
Just a chill guy
>>57016572no it's still missing the natdex and a bunch of other shit>>57016586spbp
>>57016777No one is saying SwSh is good though. More people are saying SV is a step up but not enough. With it's own unique problems on top of that
>>57016887>Tera is a much better gimmick than Dynabrappingwhy the fuck is is any pokemon in the game allowed to freely change into whatever type they want with no drawbacks while also being able to eliminate x4 weaknesses and increase their STAB? it's essentially Adaptibility but any pokemon can have it. this shit is retardedly broken and gayfreak would have never greenlit it if they cared about balance. at least z-moves and megas force you to sacrifice an item slot which makes them not as broken as dynamax and tera
>>57019383Tera is balanced because it changes defensive properties too. That goes both for the fact that it can be used defensively, but it also can be a disadvantage because mono-types are often worse than dual-types, and because the defensive type could be useless offensively. Like, yeah, you can Tera Flying something that is 4x weak to Ground, but you won't have any use for it outside of that unless you have a Flying move or Tera blast.It's also great for team building because every mon can use it. Megas sucked ass because it heavily limits team building because you NEED one Pokémon who can use the broken gimmick if you want to compete, and your choices are very limited.
>>57016887>There's no getting around the initial dexit butthurt, true, but every other pokefan would've coped it away or be too busy creaming buckets to the first Open World Pokemon Game.And I mean, the excuse of better animations would have actually held some merit since SV did end up having better animations than SS did especially during raids.
>>57016772This, the performance is the only actual bad thing about the game
>>57017321>SWSH's animations were lazy, but they at least worked the way they were supposed toHow is that an argument exactly?You're posting rare, online only glitches this >>57017289 is always going to be like that. There's no fix for this, it's always going to be like that.
>>57017289Omg this brings back so many memories kek. The shitstorm around this was so hilarious. Can't believe they even put that in game kek
>>57019383Megas are several orders of magnitude more broken than Teras ever will be
>>57019383As opposed to getting a humongous stat boost and broken ability like Huge Power upon mega evolving? Or having a nuke button ready to be launched at all times? Tera does neither, and if you know your type matchups it's pretty easy to counter and predict either with a tera type of your own or switching out. If your opponent pokemon has a 4x weakness, chances are it will change into a defensive typing like Steel or Fairy.
>>57019518>Huge Power upon mega evolving?only Mawile can use it. it's also held back by poor HP and speed and low BST in comparison to other megas. again, it also requires the item slot in order to work so you can't stack shit on it like choice band dyna or tera>Or having a nuke button ready to be launched at all times?lasts only one turn and you have to sacrifice the item slot for it meanwhile dyna leasts three turns and DOESN'T need the item slot to work. same for tera except it's infinite turns
>>57019412And SV's look just as bad. What's your point? Most of SV's worst issues aren't even related to glitching.
>>57020432>And SV's look just as bad.None of SV's major cutscenes look like that. Hell even the trainer intro animations are animated better than SS.I don't get why you're going out of your way to defend Gen 8.
>>57020746Most of SV's animations are pre-animated, the actual in-game animations are nothing to write home about. And SWSH's trainer animations are WAY cleaner than SV's, I don't know what the fuck you're on aboutAnd it's not that I'm defending Gen 8, it's that Gen 9 isn't the massive improvment you seem to think it is.
>>57019578Insane cope. As someone who plays comp a lot, tera is by far the best gimmick (at least if it ran well but that's another story). It's the most interesting and least broken. You keep on making excuses for the other 2 gimmicks when they ended up reducing choice in the meta and making things quite stale and predictable. Not to mention only being use offensively.
>>57020900Gen 8's animations were ass desu. Pokemon look a lot better in game in SV too. Makes little difference on a Switch since it runs like shit but on an emulator Pokemon look way better. They don't look like dull, washed out statues anymore. That alone makes SV better by miles.
>>57020919Now I KNOW you;re trying to bait me. The Pokemon in SV look like hot ass, everything does frankly, but the lighting is fucking eye straining and not something I want to look at. Plus most of them just fucking strand there, to say nothing about the sizes being a pain the ass to deal with so seeing them in the overworld isn't even that special of feature since you're going to run into the shitmons a thousand times anyway.
>>57020936I'm not that anon I'm someone else. I don't get how it's so inconceivable to you that the Pokemon look better with textures. I'm not saying they look "good". Nowhere near industry standard. It's just not as awful as they do in SwSh which has horrible rim-lighting (for no reason since the games don't even have any dark scenes) as well as just a generic, soulless anime style. Or say BDSP which has just an awful visual style altogether with the muddy yet bloom-y visuals. The characters were a sidestep in SV though, I don't like how westernized they look. But both SwSh and SV fail with how characters look in the overworld.The game is definitely ugly due to the lack of anti-aliasing but the monsters themselves look better in SV. And they're the things that matter. And most of the problems you bring up are remnants of problems from Gen 6 - Gen 8 that are still seen in Gen 9.
>>57020990I've said this a dozen fucking times before. Just because they have textured bodies doesn't mean it looks good. The colors across the entire game are washed out, the lighting for most mons is shit and doesn't fit with its style in the slightest with the bloom making it stand out more, to say nothing of the rigging which is most half assed shit possible. SWSH in contrast, while not mind blowing, knew how to keep with its own style and keeps things flat. Sometimes for its detriment, because again SWSH is just so bog standard and plain, but at least it flowed in a cohesive package.
>>57021060Looks better to me. And I'm a game dev. Idk what to say. The game looks a lot less washed out than Gens 6-8 ever did. Lighting isn't optimal I agree, but we saw in the leaks that they had to redo the lighting to actually get it to run on Switch, since they're kinda retarded sometimes. The bloom is way more of a problem in SwSh.I get the argument that SwSh had more of a coherent style, but that's only because it was going for literally the safest most generic early 2010s Japanese-dev approved HD anime style. It was treading a well known path, but doing it very badly. And the end result is a completely bland game in pretty much every regard. Including visually.I can also cherrypick ugly parts of the game too.
>>57021126I don't believe for one second you're a game dev. And that's doesn't change that SV look VERY washed out, and I don't understand how you can look at gens 6-8 and say that they are, if anything they were overly saturated, which is exact opposite problem, but I digress. And sure SWSH had a lot of problems SV had, but my point was SV did it WAY worse, and again sure SWSH had a very safe style to it, and was pretty bland as a result, but again at the very least it pulled it off, which is a low bar but it still did it unlike SV. And since when was I cherry picking? The whole game looks like that. I don't need to cherry pick, the whole game looks bad from start to finish, with the occasional fluid animation from the pre-animated cutscenes only making it stand out worse.
>>57021212Ok, it's clear you're autistic. I'm gonna back out now.
>>57021212Holy retard literally everyone complained about Gens 6-8, especially the 3DS games, looking washed out. You either have a hate boner for SV or love XY/SM/SwSh for some reason.
>>57021215>I have no arguement, so I'm just going to call you autistic and run away K
>>57021232Nta but you 100% are. You keep repeating the same argument over and over.
>>57021229Even if people complained it, the only thing that tells me is that the fanbase has no idea what "washed out" means or what color gradients are. Which wouldn't surprise me since this fanbase doesn't seem to know about a lot things.And no, I don't like SV, it's honestly the one mainline Pokemon game I can actively say I despise
>>57021237Because he hasn't said anything to make change that argument dumb dumb.
>>57020936>I want Pokémon to have their real sizes! I'm tired of big Pokémon being shrunken down!>Ok, here you go, all Pokémon now have their canon sizes :)>Nooo not like that!Every time
Imagine defending either gen 8 or gen 9. Absolute dogshit games through and through. Once again you need to ONLY play pokemon games to think that these are acceptable titles. Even then, older Pokemon games were better in nearly every way. So you’d have to ignore every previous generation and ONLY play the two previous gens to think they’re actually acceptable games.
>>57021312You didn't play 8 or 9
>>57021312>Once again you need to ONLY play pokemon games to think that these are acceptable titles.Anon, that's literally why you think they're bad.
