He doesn't have a sad backstory so he's boring

>>57018595
Games did a meh execution by only showing it at the end.
This is one of the rare times where I prefer the anime iteration because it comes together in a more cohesive manner.
>inb4 games were left vague for the benefit of the anime
I call bullshit on that, the anime will only Feature stuff from the games AFTER they came out. It wasn't even allowed to show the Terastal Terapagos form until the Indigo Disk wave came out.

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>>57018607
You can call bullshit on it all you want doesn't change the fact that it was a marketing ploy by TPC to go
>hey you want to learn more about this Legendary Pokémon? Go watch the Anime and CONSOOM

>>57018595
The only nice thing I'll say about it is that it didn't rehash
>the legendary dragon from outer space, responsible for the regional gimmick
a fourth time.

>>57018615
The only thing the anime was allowed to go ahead with was showing the normal form of Terapagos at the debut to reveal it. That's it. The rest was the usual game of timing episodes until game news are you out.

>>57018595
Retarded plot device turtle that's nothing more than hastily asspulled McGuffin to explain every mechanic in the game and act as walking advertisement in the anime, at the detriment of other characters and arcs. I'd say it's the worst SV legendary, but then Ting Lu exists.

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>>57018607
they made a little animation for pecharunt, why not Terapagos? It was obvious they did it to shill the anime. So I did just that, got into the anime to see what they had in store for him. It turns out the anime's story is totally different to the game and it's impossible to treat them as the same character, my disappointment knows no bounds

>>57018595
I like it, the final arc of the DLC was pretty cool and tense. SV nailed it with the lore.

>>57018635
>It turns out the anime's story is totally different to the game
Then how is it the anime's fault? They're now allowed to do their own thing but are still forced to wait to align shit with merch and other events. If the games were vague as fuck that's on the devs for making it vague as fuck.

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>>57018645
So why does the Anime need to wait for the games if they're not related then?

>>57018645
that's the problem, they are allowed to do their own thing. Fire everyone and make the anime 20 chapters only with a yearly release every time a new pokemon game is released . That will fix all the problems , better animation, better story, better everything

>>57018649
Because like the last two decades beforehand, it exists to advertise merch and events. Sure they might show legendaries ahead at times but even then it was reserved for doing it at the beginning. The rest is just timing it while most of it is up to the animation studio with how they're doing it. I mean shit they even showed a shiny Zygarde in the very next episode right after the Reveal trailer for the ZA game came out.

>>57018658
>Do a yearly release where 70% of the year goes without a weekly ad showing Pokémon.
>It will also magically fix the budget, time constraints and also get better hands on board. Let's ignore the giant transition it takes for a new team to adapt.
And this is why nobody ever listens to someone from this site.

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>>57018672
>miss an overpriced ad nobody watches for a strong high quality ad at release where people make 80% of the purchases
yeah they should listen to me more than any of the retards at TPCI. The anime has no redeeming qualities and anymore if who defends it should be shut down

>>57018689
They pump out dozens of merch every month, anon. Skipping out on 3/4 of the year of opportunities to promote it is at stupid.

And You're forgetting something crucial: It's Pokémon. Just like how people will buy the games despite the horrendous state, there will also be People who watch the anime regardless. They could release a turd with the Pokémon sticker slapped on it and people would buy it. Quality comes second to money and both games and anime have reached the point where they can get away with pretty much anything.

Idk I couldn't evolve my porygon so I didn't the dlc

>>57018595
Dumb-looking rock-with-legs-that-turns-into-a-disco-ball design, dumb lore, sucks in battle and relies on a dumb gimmick which means it will be even shittier

Trash nothing legendary

>>57018595
It’s cute. Major letdown in the games for how much they built up Area Zero, but I like it in the anime.

>>57018635
The one in the anime isn’t the same one you encounter in the games, and they both exist there; Heath and Briar still canonically encountered “DLC!Terapagos at the bottom of the pit in that continuity. Liko’s Terapagos is another one that her ancestor caught in Area Zero between Heath’s and Briar’s expeditions, which they confirmed in the latest episode.

In the games, the masterball shouldn't have broke, just not worked, and instead there should have been a cutscene after Kieran's sunset thing where he releases Terapagos after realizing he never truly wanted it and allows it to properly approach the player before you catch it. This would have endeared the player to Terapagos and not taken that much more time.

>>57018607
>>57018635
I haven't seen the anime. What's Terapagos lore in there?

>>57019672
>shouldn't have broke, just not worked
While I like your idea I disagree with this. I think it shouldn't have broke and it should have worked, but in the scene you described Kieran willingly releases it to let it do and go with whoever it wants.

>>57019761
>What's Terapagos lore in there?
Same as the games, it can connect two points in time and it's behind terastallization. It doesn't actually add anything to its own lore but there is this ancient civilization with an anti-terastal crystal called Laquium that Terapagos hates and can drive pokemon into a berserker rage.

>>57018595
Terrible

>>57018595
Tired of the “third legendary is tied to the regional gimmick and has some ultra special form tied to it” trope

>>57019909
Eh, I mean, with Necrozma I'd say it was very indirect.
Sure his power was turned into Z crystals but at the same time it's not like it needed them since it could feed on any light to get it back.
Taking that into account it only really happened twice.

>>57019974
Necrozma is the most direct one what? The Z Crystals are literally part of its body and shaped the culture of an entire region for centuries. It not needing them is irrelevant as Eternatus or Terapogos don’t need their respective gimmicks either.

>>57018595
I hate that this form exists at all, completely pointless and it's true form looks cuter anyway.

>>57019541
It doesn't even do anything in the anime though. It's personallity isn't even that well defined either.

>>57020000
>The Z Crystals are literally part of its body and shaped the culture of an entire region for centuries
It's not part of its body, it just contains its energy that's why it can regain its true form without them by using the day and night duo as an alternative power source.
They aren't literal chunks of its body or that would make no sense at all.
Also Eternatus and Terapagos quite literally needed their energy back to assume their true forms. The wishing stars contained it's energy allowing it to power up and then Kieran terastalized Terapagos to assume it's stellar form.

No one uses a Z move to give Necrozma it's true form back, it just does.

>>57018724
Porygon is in the DLC though??

>>57020000
digits confirm

>>57020158
Not actual chunks of its body but crystallized energy that came directly from it. Eternatus and Terapogos both function fine without their gimmick bound forms . Necrozma is constantly in pain until it has enough for Ultra Burst. Regardless, all 3 of them are still very similar and it was already lame with Eternatus.

Imagination theory would unironically make it better. Wish granting is a lot more interesting than time powers that conveniently connect to whatever point in spacetime is currently called for by the plot.

>>57020598
>Not actual chunks of its body but crystallized energy that came directly from it.
I don't have a part in this conversation but that's LITERALLY what he said.

not a bad design but all the lore and the tera crap is just awful

>>57020626
No it fucking isn't. Wish granting is the most boring fucking concept ever because you don't have any rules, things just work because they do. Hell even fucking jirachi doesn't actually grant wishes in any piece of media it's been in, all it goes is use it's psychic powers to achieve the task rather than just blipping things in and out of existence.
Not to mention being a wishing pokemon wouldn't fit the theme of hard work that SV was going for.

>>57020758
Yes I’m aware I’m clarifying

>>57018595
At first I thought it was stupid but the anime made me like it, it's just so cute. Still wish its lore was just a tad better explained though.

>SV thread
>is full of sharties
Pretending to be surprised once again

>>57018595
>cause time travel shenanigan in the game
>cause time travel shenanigan in the anime
dont care about it as a pokemon but im glad that it destroyed imagination schizos in all canons.

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>>57021179
>cause time trav-AAAACK!!!!

>>57021200
?

>>57021200
>travelling from one timeline to another
yes, that’s indeed what time travel is. Thank you anon for proving my point.

>>57021227
For some reason imaginationfag doesn't understand that travelling between timelines is still travelling between time.
He also doesn't understand that timelines don't just split on their own.

>>57020786
>because you don't have any rules
Almost every form of wish granting in fiction has rules. Why are you being dishonest?

>>57021429
>Why are you being dishonest?
Anon, you're saying that while being dishonest.
When people say rules in this context they mean function, obviously. You on the other hand took that to mean
>you can't wish someone would die!
>you can't wish anyone to fall in love!
Which funnily enough, only shows how ruleless wishing can be since restrictions exist for no reason.
I mean, if you can't wish someone to death explicitly can you wish a blood clot would form in their heart so they would die or is that off the table because it results in death. That's what people mean when saying that wishes have no rules because you can do anything but only if the plot demands it.

>>57020786
I'd imagine a good plot about Terapagos granting wishes would be something like the third movie where it's both hollow and destructive and the message is to accept reality and work with what you have instead of getting lost in escapism.

>>57021532
>a good plot
>in a mainline pokemon game other than pla
yeah sure anon

>>57020626
You could say it's both. It uses its time warping powers to find and pull in what people want to see. Isn't there some leaked document of Game Freak staff talking to the anime producers and saying that's how Area Zero works?

>>57021532
Boring old concept.

>>57021554
>You could say it's both. It uses its time warping powers to find and pull in what people want to see.
I don't think I need to explain how that doesn't work for people who don't know what to expect.
>Isn't there some leaked document of Game Freak staff talking to the anime producers and saying that's how Area Zero works?
No.

>>57021554
Typical imaginationfag, writing fanfic to "proof" their theory

>>57021680
*prove
Fucking English

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>>57021554
>Isn't there some leaked document of Game Freak staff talking to the anime producers and saying that's how Area Zero works?
This? Sort of but it's a stretch.

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The fact of the matter is that Ohmori keeps recycling his ideas from Sun and Moon and trying to put a 'new' twist on it which often times just results in a worse result than the first time.

>>57019672
You mean the same game that tries to force me to put the shit ass Miraidon/Koraidon on Home instead of my based riding buddy version? Couldn't have just had them switch out so I can ride the shit ass one for gameplay purposes and keep my cool bro?

GameFreak could never engage the player and keep their interest. They care not for endearing the player.

>>57020626
I mean it's basically the same thing, you can literally just wish for things based on your imagination. Also this Pokemon seems so redundant because Jirachi basically can do the exact same thing beyond Tera shit. Also Dialga could easily have been used in place of the Time Machine shit considering Arceus and BDSP recently as well.

>>57023175
The edgy one would obviously never let you ride it.

>>57023121
Eh, SV is what SM should have been all things considered.

I like Pagogo

>>57021240
>>travelling from one timeline to another
Multiverse it is then

Time traveltroons are still mindbroken i see

>>57023852
That's not what a multiverse is.
Travelling into a new timeline doesn't mean that you've travelled into another universe.

>>57023860
>Travelling into a new timeline doesn't mean that you've travelled into another universe.
You don't know how multiverse works

>>57023863
Anon, you're trying to say a new universe and a new timeline are the same thing.
Are you sure you want to have this conversation? Because it won't end well for you.

>>57023874
>you're trying to say a new universe and a new timeline are the same thing.
Looks like someone's hasn't paid attention to the dialogues i see

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You shitters can cope all you want and it will always be infinite regress no matter what

>>57023879
And yet here you are coping instead of posting the dialogue
Funny how that works.

>>57023896
>N-no you're the one coping!!!
lol

>>57023884
What dumbass made this image?

>>57023900
A person who actually played the game and read the dialogues unlike you

>>57023899
Where's that dialogue that says universes and timelines are the same anon, I'm waiting.

>>57023904
in the same dialogue where they say terapagos has the power to travel across time

>>57023909
Then post it.

>>57023911
I'l post it when i see terapagos traveling through time

>>57023884
Pretty sure the nature of timelines wouldn't allow for an infinite regress like that, even if there were multiple timelines like that they'd be so far gone from each other that they'd never lead to the same events that could keep the chain going.

>>57023915
So what you're saying is that you didn't see the part where it pulls the professor from the past.

>>57023919
>from the past.
lol

>>57023919
>>57023916
Don't engage imaginationfag, it's not worth the wasted time.

>>57023924
>N-No!! stop proving me wrong!!!!

>>57023920
Yes, from the past.
Whether you believe in alternate timelines or not it's still the past. As you can see by your own chart >>57023884

>>57023928
>Yes, from the past.
if that were really the case the professor giving you her book would turn you into PMD protagonist

>>57023926
To prove people wrong you need evidence, something you've yet to provide.

>>57023930
I don't even want to know how you came to that conclusion.

>>57023934
>Actually proving you didn't play the games

>Professor in from the ""Past"" gives you the book
>Arven in the present still has that book
No enough time traveling will explain this

>>57023930
Why the fuck would creating an alternate timeline turn someone into a pokemon?

>>57023943
Who said anything about turning anyone into a pokemon?

>>57023949
>PMD protagonist
What do you think PMD means?

>>57023957
yes anon changing the past would turn you into a PMD protagonist because taking away the book from the professor would literally erase the future just like the PMD protagonist dies after changing the past

>>57023960
Have you only ever played one game in this entire series?

>>57023884
True and canon. People who don't accept this are brainlets. Simple as.

>>57023978
Nice goalmove where are you taking it

>>57023960
What.
So now you're arguing that this all takes place in a single timeline?

>>57023943
Because simpletons get REALLY confused on time travel plots in popular media and as a result of the brain-scramble, begin trying to collate the entire universe into the canon and sperging heavily as a result.
>>57023930
Spin-offs are entirely separate from mainline games and from what I've read of PMD (as I'm too old and not a fursuiter, so it never interested me), it's a bit like splatoon where it's set long after humans die out leaving the other creatures around them to take over the world (humans killing themselves in nuclear winter allowing squid and octopus to evolve and become the main lifeforms on their world). And Game Freak's canon has pushed the origin point for PMD back a few thousand years at this stage.

>>57023938
>game focuses on paradoxical creatures appearing
>kid wants an explanation for a paradoxical event
Are you really this stupid? Literal children understood what that was supposed to be.

>>57024192
He spent a year trying to convince people that paradox pokemon were imaginary and now he's trying to convince people that they're real but are actually modern day versions from another timeline.
He's clearly retarded.

>>57024192
>>57024227
>Arven still has the scarlet book despise past sada giving it away
it's simply not time travel you have to let it go

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>Bro it's clearly a time machine
>No fossilmons in area zero
>No super ancient mons like relicanth in area zero
>No dinomons like tropius in area zero
>Only cryptid shitmons from a fantasy book

>>57024282
To be fair, none of those Pokemon exist at all in Paldea, period. For instance, if Kanto had a time machine, I would only expect to find Aerodactyl, Kabuto, and Omastar in the past, not something like Dracofish. Now Tropius is an interesting one because it does exist in Paldea, but we also know it supposedly only lives in tropical areas, so it might not even be native to Paldea considering it doesn't really have any tropical areas, especially the places it can be found at.

With that said, it's meant to be open to interpretation, but largely leaning closer to Imagination/Wish shenanigans than a time machine, which can still be paradoxical in nature because of the requirements for their existence with the book.

How do we have this exact same fucking thread every week man

>>57024349
Because time travel melts the heads of retards and /vp/ is stuffed to the gills with retards.
>>57024275
Sorry son, I don't get confused with time travel plots. Measning I saw the time travel plot for what it was, while chimps tried every mental gymnastic trick in the book to bullshit some other fucking reason as to driving force of the plot because they couldn't comprehend how it could work.

>>57024310
>it's meant to be open to interpretation
When has the culmination of a pokémon plot ever been left open to interpretation? Game Freak write a canonical story for their game plot. They add alt version details , granted (like a team wanting to dry out more land for humans or a professor looking into the past than to the future) but the basic plot that applies to both games is canonical. And the plot indicates time travel, not the power of my maginashun.

>>57024310
tropius is next to the lake

>Time travelfaggot spergin the thread once again

>no argument

Uh oh schizo melty

>>57024310
>which can still be paradoxical in nature
There are no possible paradoxes involved with wishing unless you're wishing for something that can cause it and you use that to create one.
If you make a wish, that's it, the magic grants the wish.

>>57024349
Imaginationfag's autism won't let him accept that it wasn't imagination

>>57024391
Nothing brings greater joy to my soul than the knowledge his potential last thought will be of how it HAS to be imagination and he'll die demented as he'd be unable to tell the internet about it.

>>57024391
it wasn't time travel either

>>57024421
Case in point.

How does kitakami's waterfall being able to refund people's lost objects fit in all of this?

>>57024349
It's the same anon making these threads, he just wants to argue. The fag who thinks that infinite regress makes no sense and that Japanese people wouldn't be able to understand the concept either because it's from the West
Truth is he's just a retard who doesn't understand the concept of multiple timelines so he thinks it's a timeloop which is obviously completely impossible, yet he copes and wants to defend his headcanon all day
Just don't engage with him, he's dumb and stubborn

>>57024454
You know you're not fooling anyone, right?
I mean someone in this very thread said not to engage you and then you just parrot that back? Have you ever had an original thought before?

>>57024454
an infinite regress IS a time look tho

>>57024454
>The fag who thinks that infinite regress makes no sense
But it doesn't make any sense.
I've seen the shit you say in these threads and it's retarded beyond belief, you think that they're crossing with preexisting timelines but don't understand that if they're preexisting timelines then they're already gone to the fucking winds the professor might not even exist in another timeline.
But if you think it's just a set of infinite timelines that go through the same events then there's no alternate timelines because they're all the same so it's just a time loop on one timeline. That's how this shit works. Timelines don't just poof in and out of existence when you want them to you dumbass

>>57024491
>timetravelcuck dosen't even know how timelines work
ironic

>>57024524
>has no argument
>projects ignorance on others
You can't even explain how your own theory works, that's how shit it is.

>>57024524
How is he wrong though?
If it split before the events of the game then the next timeline would be completely different.
If it split after then the only event would be the book swap and the "infinite" regress would begin and end with three timelines.

>>57019761
>it shouldn't have broke and it should have worked
That would cut the Terapagos segment of Indigo Disk short. The whole point of an extra scene that makes the player like Terapagos more is because it didn't get enough dedicated to it in the games.

>>57023805
They could have done something similar to mega Latios/Latias in ORAS where you can trade the pokemon but still ride them even if the actual pokemon isn't in the game, the drawback being unable to use it for battling anymore.

>>57024623
The problem is that it fucks with the ending since it has an actual playable role, the Lati didn't.

>>57024639
You wouldn't be able to trade your Raidon until after completing the game.

>>57024773
I don't speak pizza

>>57024814
>A local belief is that the current brings items lost in the mountains back here
Weird enough the currents are all connected to the crazy batshit crystal pool lake

>>57024827
Anon if anything it's just Pokémon dropping the lost stuff in the river until it gets washed up there
Stop grasping for straws

>>57024840
>Dude ignore how the entire water in the whole kitakami is LITERALLY polluted in area zero crystals

>>57024844
So does the crater also magically spit out lost item ooor...

>>57024865
it spit out something sada really wanted

>>57018595
The worst. The absolute worst.
>ugly design for all forms
>pointless normal form, boring battle forms
>nothing more than a plot device
>all hype in base game, little payoff in DLC
>yet another legendary that's designed for, around, and said to have created its game's battle gimmick, the third in a row
>brings with it nonstop shitflinging over SV's sorry excuse for a story
>makes Horizons worse if it wasn't already bad enough
>ruined Kieran
>>57018703
>They could release a turd with the Pokémon sticker slapped on it and people would buy it.
They already did with SV, but I get what you mean.
>>57023121
This. Ohmori needs to step down as director.

>That posting style
it's that retard again he arrived to ruin /vp/ once again

>>57020328
Trade evo. Anon probably has nobody to trade with locally, lacks NSO, refuses to use HOME, and/or lacks PLA.

>>57024888
>spoiler
How

>>57023850
Shut up, Rystal.

>>57020057
It doesn't do anything because they're saving it for the narrative climax, which is when they finally reach Laqua and it unleashes its full power to protect Liko from the final boss or something.

>>57024844
Why did they pollute Kitakami's water supply with gay crystals?

>>57024888
>>ruined Kieran
Pretty sure we do that.

>>57024965
>it unleashes its full power to protect Liko from the final boss or something.
It already used its stellar form

>Wish for a time machine to a timeline that is fueled by imagination
There, probably solved. Everyone is happy.

>>57025672
Anon, that would just be time travel and Terapagos wouldn't have a role outside of that one wish.

>>57024888
more like Kieran's story meant Terapagos wouldn't have any spot to be anything more than a plot device.

>>57025707
I'm about to wish your post gets deleted.

>>57018595
I constantly forget that he exists.

>>57026243
How the fuck do you forget him?

>>57027756
hé does fucking nothing in the game and has nothing going for him. it just exist to become a worthless shitmon as soon as his gimmicks get replaced by the next one.

Design-wise, the middle form is fine. The other two detract from it.

Lore-wise, it's a vague combination of Arceus (all types) and Hoopa (snatching things from other timelines). Are they officially out of ideas? You people ate it up just because they made it vague.

Maybe one day they'll actually explore Darwinian evolution, but by using an actual time traveler. Its name is Celebi.

>>57027919
Don't forget it's also Jirachi as well. Also we do have Darwinian Evolution thanks to Regional Forms and stuff like Kabutop's pokedex entry. Evolution in general in the games is a mixture of natural age, metamorphosis, and evolution. It's just sped up significantly for gameplay purposes.

>>57027756
I just find him forgettable, he doesn’t really do anything, Stellar tera’s whatever, and his design’s kind of lame.

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>>57027927
It's either Hoopa or Jirachi depending on your interpretation, although the former has better support at your point. Honestly, the difference is meaningless as long as we don't see those timelines.

Evolution is mostly supposed to be natural maturation, independent of environmental changes. Darwinian evolution is much less obvious than that, let alone regional variants (mostly recolors). As for Kabuto, it hasn't changed due to extinction.

Most Paradox Pokemon didn't go in this direction, either. The only exceptions are Slither Wing and the Paradox beast trio. But they're from another timeline...

>>57028309
>It's either Hoopa or Jirachi depending on your interpretation
How about both?
>i can't grant wishes but i can give you anything you want by stealing it somewhere else in this multiverse of endless possibilities

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>>57018595
perhaps one of the most overly complex pokemon to try to use and fight against

>>57028340
The problem is that it never grants wishes at any point in the game.

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Wish granting, you say?

>>57028584
How does Pecharunt grant his wishes?

>>57029860
mochi and stimulant toxins

>>57018595
it was better when it didn't have that shitty ugly form

>>57029860
Like a "deal with the devil" kinda thing. Tje Loyal Three got their wishes, but were probably forced to serve him.

Retarded lame and gay

>>57030007
He just wants love

>>57030068
He's still evil

>>57030114
Name one evil thing he did

>>57030120
>forced a lonely elderly couple to shower him with riches
>forced the Loyal Three to steal the Masks which cost them their life
>was mad at them dying on top of that (showing that he never cared about them and only uses them as tools)
>hypnotized/possessed an entire village and made them fight those he didn't possess yet

>>57029860
Drugs.
Literally.
There's no such thing as true wish granting in pokemon.

>>57030206
Correction
>be adopted by an elderly couple and fed them mochi which unknowingly made them incredibly greedy and they forced it to get the mask
>put chains on a dog, monkey and bird pokemon pumping them full of toxins that altered their bodies
>got mad at the loyal three for betraying him after he granted their wishes
The only one you got right was
>hypnotized/possessed an entire village and made them fight those he didn't possess yet

>>57030206
>forced a lonely elderly couple to shower him with riches
Did you even watch the video? It's the other way around, Pecharunt gave the old couple everything they asked to earn their love.
>forced the Loyal Three to steal the Masks which cost them their life
He got put into a coma himself, you know. And the guy dying (aka the actual reason they end up getting killed themselves) was an accident. They go through the trouble of finding out where the masks were being kept and sneak into the cave while nobody is there, that shows careful planning, it's not like he just told them to get the masks and fuck everything else.
>was mad at them dying on top of that (showing that he never cared about them and only uses them as tools)
He's just understandably shocked they're now on your side. He runs up to Loyalty Plaza because he's looking for them. He literally thinks of them as his life flashes before his eyes before getting knocked out by Ogerpon. Notice the Loyal Three don't actually reciprocate the interaction (unlike Ogerpon) which shows they don't even resent him.
>hypnotized/possessed an entire village and made them fight those he didn't possess yet
And made them do what, a silly dance? He's being a little shit and throwing a fit because things didn't go his way. Yet he never actually harms anyone. Imagine how much worse the entire thing would have been if he harboured actual malice. There was nothing stopping him from making people hurt themselves or worse.

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I'm putting a countdown until we get gen 9 gigaleaks telling us how much we got robbed out of terapagos lore. It will be the biggest robbery in history

>>57030388
And then it'll turn pit that they just intended for the protag to go to the past and future at one point.
I mean, not every pokemon needs some deep complex lore about it.

>>57023936
>say completely unsubstantiated bullshit no one understands
>someone points out that you sound retarded
>spam YOU DIDN'T READ LMAO ad infinitum without justifying anything
Imaginationkeks and multiverschizoes have easy jobs.
>>57024282
>Yes anon, time machines don't bring in EVERYTHING they possibly can from anywhere in the past. They just chose a small sample because that's how many the devs made for the game. They also did it that way to make it symmetrical with the future-focused game. If fossilmons came in as well, it would just ruin this. Easily explained by being tuned to another era.
>>57030300
>>57030301
So....evil.

>So....evil.
Nope. Completely starved for affection and too naive for his own good. But not evil.

>>57030300
>>57030301
Ignorance is not an excuse. It does still evil things even if it might not understand that it's evil. If anything, it means that it's i herently evil cause it doesn't question its actions and always thinks they're right. It's an egoist at best.
Also
>He's just understandably shocked they're now on your side.
I was not shocked, it had an angry expression and said something that clearly communicated rage.

>>57018595
Really hating this recent trend of legendaries that are just vague plot devices. I was so uninterested in it & anything revolving around it

>>57030833
You kidding? This was the first third legendary in ages that was actually interesting and felt well implemented into the story and region. I mean compare it to Eternatus. That shit was ass.
Plus the early speculation was cool since it was originally only hinted at in the book. They really made it feel legendary.

>>57030868
At least with Eternatus they didn't spend the entire game + DLC hyping it up

>>57030816
Anon, he's a child. He's simply doing what gets him love and praise. Of course he doesn't question his actions, nobody has ever taught him right from wrong and the only discipline he's ever known is getting beaten within an inch of his life. Twice. And while he doesn't understand what he's doing is wrong, it's clear he has no intention of harming others. He could have tried taking the masks by force, he doesn't. He could've tried to extract revenge on Ogerpon like the Loyal Three in TM, he doesn't. He could've caused actual misery with an entire town under his control, he doesn't.
>clearly communicated rage
It's a perfectly natural reaction. His friends whom he trusted and cherished and relied upon just turned on him for seemingly no reason. He's clearly pretty pissed during the entire epilogue and you just rubbed salt on the wound. This is clearly Pecharunt at his worst, he's angry and scared and lost. He has every excuse and opportunity in the world to showcase the supposed malevolence that's apparently inherent to him and yet he doesn't. Because he's not evil.
Being egoist or naive or attention seeking means just that. Having negative traits doesn't automatically translate to being evil.

>>57030960
That's a bad thing. Eternatus was a wet fart and didn't feel connected to anything in the story except some vague hints towards "The Darkest Day".

>>57030601
>>spam YOU DIDN'T READ LMAO ad infinitum without justifying anything
It's an infinite regress.

>>57031611
That's your headcanon.
>>57030663
Justifying evil actions will never un-evil the actions.

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>>57030301
>Munkidori, aka the one guy with future sight, didn't go with the two retards that were stealing the mask

>>57030601
>Time machine
>Doesn't pick real fossilmons
it's not time travel then

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>Meet all the paradoxmons before the time machine was even built
>But then when sada goes in area zero She doesn't find them
Tic toc timecucks

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>>57032117
>a rare and isolate population of animals went extinct in less than100 years after comming in contact with humans for thé first time
no way bro

>>57030601
You sound like a school shooter apologist m8.

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>>57032405
>Robots can go extinct now
Least retarded /vp/ user

>>57032405
Yeah bro a simple contact with a great tusk that almost murdered heath's entire team was enough to kill all paradoxmons

>>57032424
>implying the violet paradox are really robots
thank you anon for proving you have in fact not played the game.

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>>57032571
>>implying the violet paradox are really robots

>>57032571
>Makes a retarded statement
>Instant deflection
if they're not robots what they're supposed to be? and don't use retarded headcanons because iron valiant has a literal hole inside his body that doesn't show any internal organs

>>57032050
>Justifying evil actions will never un-evil the actions.
A character doing bad things doesn't mean it's bad by nature.
>>57032087
It's very interesting Munkidori chose to stay behind and babysit Pecharunt while the other two went in, it's in line with his Pokedex entry telling us he prefers to keep himself out of harm's way. That was likely a conscious choice by him.

>>57032604
How does Gulpin have other internal organs when it's entirely stomach? Does Bronzor have internal organs? Are all Steel and Rock types "meaty" on the inside? What about Ghost types, where are their organs?
Real Life biology doesn't apply to Pokémon. Future Paradoxes aren't robots, they are organic beings like all Pokémon despite their appearance. That's why they can eat food.

>>57033656
>How does Gulpin have other internal organs when it's entirely stomach?
it's a literal slime anon
>Does Bronzor have internal organs?
No it's a fucking bell
>Are all Steel and Rock types "meaty" on the inside?
No fucking clue you tell me
>What about Ghost types, where are their organs?
idk
>Future Paradoxes aren't robots, they are organic beings
Prove it
>That's why they can eat food.
Any pokemon can eat food when you make a game mechanic where every pokemon can eat even mouthless pokemon

>>57033670
>it's a literal slime anon
Headcanon
>No it's a fucking bell
Then why is it alive?
>No fucking clue you tell me
I'm not gonna assume anything, and you should do the same.
>idk
Then why do you claim to know they're robots?
>Prove it
Prove that they are robots.
>Any pokemon can eat food when you make a game mechanic where every pokemon can eat even mouthless pokemon
They are shown eating in the anime too, it's not a game exclusive thing.

>>57033770
>Headcanon
How so?
>Then why is it alive?
tsukumogami
>I'm not gonna assume anything
You're assuming that they aren't robots tho
>and you should do the same.
Make me
>Can't prove it without parroting
Thanks for agreeing that they are indeed robots
>They are shown eating in the anime too, it's not a game exclusive thing.
Show me inorganic pokemon like golurk eating then

>>57033777
Trips of Truth

>They aren't robots!!!
>Then prove it
>Uhhm no! you should prove it first!!!
Troll detected

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>>57033656
>organic beings like all Pokém-AAAAAACK!!!!!

>>57033794
Yes.

>>57033845
The pokemon was canonically built by someone though?

>>57018595
Honestly? Probably the least interesting legendary of its Gen.

>>57018595
It's the only good pokemon design of all of gen9

>>57033856
So was Frankenstein's monster

>>57032102
What kind of a stupid rationalization is that? I already explained why it didn't. If a car doesn't transport every possible passenger, it doesn't stop being a car.
>>57032412
>no argument
>>57032439
No one said they caused them to go extinct. Just that they were dwindling at the time they arrived.
>>57032599
They're future forms of existing pokemon that moved to metallic based life. They converged with robot like efficiencies. They never said they were robots.
>>57032604
>humans with piercings are robots because I don't see organs inside them.
>>57032958
It wasn't justified in what it did though. If someone slaps me and I skin him in response, I'm evil.
>>57033777
>How so?
You pulled it out of your ass.
>tsukumogami
Not a ghost type though.
>You're assuming a negative
Yes, that's how proof works. You claimed they're robots without evidence. They remain as "not robots" like every there pokemon until you prove they are robots.
>make me
If you want to be a retard, that's your choice.
>agreeing
Burden of proof on you.
>inorganic pokemon
Boldore in Ash's unova team
>>57033784
What came first is (You) referring to them as robots. Someone pointed out that was a false assumption you have to prove first. Revisionism detected.

>>57034849
>If someone slaps me and I skin him in response, I'm evil.
Sure because you're trying to maximise suffering.

>>57034849
>Mass replying faggot
>Thread sager
lol

>The "Violet paradoxmons aren't robot goys!" schizo retard really tried to sage the thread just to have the last reply
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>57032599
>>57032604
>miraidon spend the entire game eating sandwichs stuffed with herbal medicine in order to heal
>miraidon has DNA and Is confirmed to be the descendant of cyclizard
>i-its totally a robot goys.
next time play the game before making shit up anon

>>57035419
>>miraidon has DNA
Where i can see this DNA?

>MFW i bitch reply just to have the last reply
KWAB!!

>>57035412
Anon was just too much of a pussy to not sage and actually keep the conversation he NEEDED to have the last bitch-reply

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>>57035426
have a pity (You)

>>57035453
All i see is just texts where's her DNA?

>Saging turd still trying

>57035455
ah, so your just pretending to be retarded. nevermind then, keep ignorons the game and enjoy your fanfic

>>57035462
"Ignoring"

>Refuses to answer the question
>Bitch replying
>Saging retard
We got a bingo!

>>>>>>>>Thread sager
yuck

Ivyack is the guy who tried to sage the thread btw

>>57035481
i'm pretty sure it's the delscattyschizo

>>57035481
>>57035488
We have so many dedicated schizos on this board that there's no point in trying to label them, especially when such faggotry being commonplace inspires copycats or retards who think they can feign genuine insanity.

>>57035497
This

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>>57018595
It's battle form is what I imagined Wartortle's real Final evo looking. (Minus all the type symbols of course.)

Jesus fuck, imaginationfag went off the deep end this time

>>57036504
>say the timecuck acting like robots arent actually robots

>it doesn't know what a cybernetic organism is

>i read in on wikipedia therefore it must be true!
Also
>Saging again
Pussy

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>Xhe still trying to sage the thread

Why have you retards been doing this for 2 years now.

>Falsefagging just to not let the thread die

>>57038940
Look at the last few posts, he's doing it on his own.

>>57035515
I guess they are both based on the same thing, no?

>>57018595
Pagogo demands more blood

>>57035392
But that's analogous to Pecharunt's actions.
>>57035398
>>57035412
>>57035437
>>57035450
>>57035458
>boogeymanfagging due to the lack of a rebuttal of any kind
lol
>>57035455
Holy fucking copium. Okay how about this: You believe in alt timelines, yes? Where do we see these timelines? If according to you text means literally nothing, where's the literal screenshots of the other timelines?
>>57036765
How are they robots anon? Go ahead and prove it.

>>57041203
>Where do we see these timelines?
Honestly, don't bother with that.
Imaginationfag just sidesteps the answer.

>Saging the thread like a pussy
No (you) for you

>>57041203
>But that's analogous to Pecharunt's actions
No, it isn't. That's the point.

This thread would be already dead if janny tranny knew how to do his job btw

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>>57043270
Janny is too busy jerking off in his pokegirl thread to care about two retards shitting up a thread

>>57043277
God /vp/ is pathetic no wonder the other boards make fun of it

>>57023860
>That's not what a multiverse is.
>Travelling into a new timeline doesn't mean that you've travelled into another universe.
NTA, but Time and Space are bound together, meaning that any time you're traveling to a new timeline you are literally hopping around the multiverse. You can't travel to a new timeline without traveling to a new 'space' (universe), as time only flows in one direction and it is physically impossible to go back the way you came. As >>57023884 illustrates, you can jump to a point in time in a parallel universe, but not on your own universal timeline; likewise, you can modify a parallel universe's timeline (so long as the event you're changing hasn't happened yet), but not your own (since the event you want to change will have already happened).

>>57042640
>still no argument
nice cop out
>>57043234
Yes it is. It did terrible things, like controlling people against their will and thievery. You justifying it with its backstory still doesn't justify its actions, which are over the top.
>>57043948
Well no, that's not at all how it works. Say we have our IRL universe, yes? The conventional understanding is that a "fork in the road" creates two timelines with one past. Traveling between these timelines Doesn't mean you went to a different universe. Different universes have COMPLETELY separate starting points and a different history all the way through. You're using the two terms interchangeably when they aren't. You're also subscribing to the notion that changing the pst isn't possible via time rave and therefore it MUST be a separate series of events you travelled to. This logic is faulty.

>>57044043
>which are over the top.
The worst things he did intentionally were stealing (while still trying to avoid conflict, mind you) and maybe making people embarrassed with the mochi dance. How is that in any way comparable to skinning someone, sage-kun?

>>57043948
>meaning that any time you're traveling to a new timeline you are literally hopping around the multiverse.
Not the case, if you hop a timeline you're still in a branching instance of that universe and going back down that timeline would eventually lead to a convergence point where the two timelines were one.
If you go into entirety universe then going back wouldn't lead to the original universe you came from.
>As >>57023884 # illustrates,
That image is about alternate timelines, not universes. That's what makes it inherently flawed since you're applying multiverse logic to timelines.

If you were talking about omniverses now then you would have an inkling of a point since that encompasses everything.

>>57043948
>but Time and Space are bound together
Sure, but that doesn't mean that they're the same thing and function the same way you fucking moron.

>>57044089
>stealing
wasn't justified and thus over the top
>literal mind control against their will
wasn't justified and thus over the top
>not comparable to skinning someone
Only complete boogeymanfagging brainlets like you can't see past a simple hypothetical analogy and can only scrunch "THAT'S NOT THE SAME"
A difference that makes no difference to the answer isn't a difference.

>>57046344
No it wasn't justified and that's why he's punished for his actions. But there definitely is a difference between doing something wrong and actually being evil. You are unable to grasp this. A truly evil character would not make a deliberate choice to avoid causing harm. A truly evil character would showcase actual cruelty with people under their control instead of simply making people aggressively chicken dance.

>>57046799
>that's why he's punished for his actions
Evil people/pokemon can't be punched? This part doesn't even make sense.
>avoid causing harm
Where is this even the case? Raiding the cave when it's unoccupied simply maximizes the chance of success in getting what you want from it via thievery.
>simply making people aggressively chicken dance
This is an extreme glossing over of intentional mind control and stripping an entire village of their consciousness.

These acts are inherently evil. No one forced it to do this. If it were a human I feel like you'd see that much clearer.

>>57047007
>Raiding the cave when it's unoccupied simply maximizes the chance of success in getting what you want from it via thievery.
And the fact he came to this conclusion shows that he thinks avoiding conflict is the best course of action, which means he isn't naturally predisposed towards violence/cruelty/malice as an evil character would be.
> If it were a human I feel like you'd see that much clearer.
...But it's not, this is a magical creature whose brainwashing abilities are part of its biology and the species' main strategy for survival. Hypno uses Hypnosis so it can feed on dreams, Darkrai induces terrible nightmares on those around it (sometimes entire villages), most Ghost types eats souls for nourishment, Yveltal kills hundreds or thousands of beings as part of its life cycle. Will you argue those acts are inherently evil too because they're immoral for human standards?

>>57018595
I dont like this form. The full turtle is better.

>>57047826
>shows that he thinks avoiding conflict is the best course of action
Or maybe he just wants the fucking masks without failure or death. Robbing a house with no one inside is still an evil action because you're stealing from other people. That is morally wrong. You're pretending the intention was to not hurt anyone, which you just pulled out of your ass. If someone is home, it ruins the chance of success.
>those other examples
If it's for survival, that's inherently different. That's a motive that applies to shit like IRL animals, which aren't evil for, say, hunting. But when a certain pokemon is sentient enough, as shown with Pecharunt essentially being raised as a human-like child with human-like tendencies and desires, it's considered morally wrong because it knows what it was doing and did it anyway.
I don't really know how smart Yveltal is in comparison, as it's basically depicted as the reason people de to begin with and part of "nature's order" if you will. Who knows if this is a choice that it makes or not.

Bump

>>57049328
Thanks for the bump at least you're doing it unlike ""Him""

>>57049323
>or death.
So do you agree he's concerned about inflicting suffering on others.
>still an evil action because you're stealing from other people. That is morally wrong.
>all crime is equal, the manner in which it's done is totally irrelevant
Plenty of Pokemon steal, because they're kleptomaniacs, to feed on negative energy, or just to have fun. Are they all evil, then? There's no way you actually believe this.
>If it's for survival, that's inherently different
Yes, it is for survival. That's two concessions in one post, I'll take it. Pecharunts rely on their mind controlling abilities as they otherwise cannot fend for themselves. They're tiny, shaped like a berry, their only real stat is Defense, and their entire learnset consists of like 15 moves in total. Moreover the one we encounter in-game is timid in nature and heavily implied to be young. Feeding others mochi is probably outright instinctual, after all, why not? It makes them friendly towards you and stronger so they can better protect you.
>it knows what it was doing and did it anyway.
[CITATION NEEDED]
Children don't come out with a developed moral compass, anon. The elderly couple had their greed awakened, somehow I really fucking doubt they'd go like "Hey Pecharunt, all those things we ask for, you have to get through strictly legal means, okay? Otherwise it doesn't count." If a child is rewarded for a behavior, it's gonna continue doing it.

See you in 10 hours, hope you have a good day.

So what is this argument about?

>>57050244
>So do you agree
I meant self death you autist. The origin video outlines how it recruited its retainers for protection's sake
>plenty of pokemon
they're almost all animal equivalents and do it to survive in some way, so no.
>Yes, it is for survival
>proceeds to inject headcanon and fanfiction to justify it
It's evil anon
>pretending it's a child
Stop making things up as you go anon.

>>57051397
Lore autism and a bit of trolling.

>>57032405
>All of the Paradoxmon conveniently go extinct in Area Zero
>But Herba Mystica are just growing across the region frequently enough for the Titans to monopolize them
>But no one's seen one of these magical herbs between Hearth's expedition and the start of the game either
huh?

>>57018595
Looks retarded.

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>Almost one week later and this thread is still up
Ok, dare I say, based

>>57033656
>Organic
You mean like Porygon and fucking Regirock?

>>57051436
>I meant self death
If that's all he cares about then why didn't he abandon the Loyal Three while they were fighting Ogerpon? There was nothing preventing him from just taking the masks and fleeing during the commotion. Why did he stay with them until the end?
>do it to survive in some way, so no
How is a Pokemon stealing things to cause mischief doing it for survival? Tell me why Hoopa needs an entire fucking castle to himself. He steals things because he can.
>inject headcanon and fanfiction to justify it
>the pokemon's official info is headcanon
>the pokemon's base stats are headcanon
>the pokemon's size is headcanon
>the pokemon's moveset is headcanon
>the pokemon's locked nature is headcanon
Play the game.
>It's evil because I said so
No.
>pretending it's a child
He was raised as a replacement for one. His mentality and demeanor are akin to one. He's definitely close enough to one.

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>>57046799
>A truly evil character would not make a deliberate choice to avoid causing harm.
Are you high?

No argument, no (You)

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>>57051708
It's an example of an universally agreed upon evil character telling someone not to drink poisoned punch. It's blatantly clear that it is supposed to counter the idea that "evil means you actively cause harm at all times", and did not require a written argument alongside it because all of the context needed is in the image even if you don't know about the Thanos n David bit or mass suicides like Heaven's Gate's funny drink.

Mind you I do agree that Pecharunt is just a fuckass magic baby at worst (it's literally Momotaro come on), but that shared opinion does not defend any dog shit takes you make to justify why Pecharunt isn't literally Hitler.

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>>57051961
Okay you got me. I didn't really bother checking out the image beyond the thumbnail and dismissed it as a mere reaction image. Thanks for spoonfeeding anyway.

>>57051708
I concede.

>>57018595
An ongoing argument all the way down.

>>57028309
It could be like the Elephant and the Mammoth, or the Wigglet and Digglet; The Paradox pokemon of Scarlet were actually monsters that evolved a simular body plan as the Pokémon of the present, but went extinct for one reason or another. This explained the Primal version of the Beast trio, despite the present day were created hundreds of years ago. Also the Paradox pokemon of Scarlet were all machines that functions like the present day monsters since the ecosystem of the future were all fucked up beyond repair.

>>57053466
>despite the present day were created hundreds of years ago.
Headcanon.

>>57051694
To be fair, IIRC the context of this scene is that Thanos has been keeping this boy alive since his childhood just to make him miserable. In this case, he is actually increasing harm- he killed everyone who showed up to the kid's birthday party just to upset him, and continues doing things like this into his future. Killing him would be less cruel, especially in a setting with confirmed afterlives.