>not even in the top 10 trainers worldwideHoly shit how strong are the masters 8 then?
>>57031377Because he's above the Masterbating 8
>>57031377Have you considered that he, you know, just didn't participate? You can be a better player than everyone/most in a tournament but just not care to show up every time a tournament is held.
>>57031377He got arrested by the league for hacking.
>>57031377built for cynthia femdom
He was actually so good at Pokemon after his loss in Sinnoh that he proceeded to conquer every Leaque in existence and then decided to immediately retire, basking in his millions. Also they missed a huge fucking opportunity to have had Gary become the Kanto Champion in his off-time from Professor shenanigans and be Ash's real final battle.
>>57032039>Have Gary randomly pick up battling as a major profession againNo thanks. He should’ve been his last battle but making the Kanto Champion would be retarded.
>>57032039>>57032060To be fair they made Iris a Champion, Wallace and Gary should have been there too. But what really should have happened is that they brought back everyone they could have. Literally everyone, that includes Richie, Paul, Brandon, Tobias, etc. Make a real sendoff for the original anime.
>>57032080Iris being Champion is stupid too but at the very least no one cares about anime Alder
570322039 both were fodder since sm ray pokedoko makes it clear kukui was a better trainer at that time
>>57032091You're not wrong, I completely forgot about Alder when mentioning the others not included too. Then again, I suppose N is also a Champion as well.
>>57031377Darkrai and Latios are easy to counter once you know they're coming, hell Cynthia's Garchomp could solo both just by spamming Dragon Claw or EQ. Ash didn't, which is why he lost.
>>57032080They already blew the budget out bringing back all the characters that did return for Masters, also fuck Paul he already came back a couple times. Just be glad they didn't do Ash dirty in the end.
If it was up to me, Ash would have lost again and that was it, he goes off to be a loser forever.
>>57031377He's canonically weaker than some echelon of the Sinnoh League on the rising scale of E4 to Champion, which means at worst he got mogged by FUCKING AARON, and at best he got mogged by Cynthia.
Tobias lost to Cynthia and became a Frontier BrainPalmer and Brandon also aren't part of the Master's eight despite being canonically extremely strong and experienced trainers in the anime. We can assume that Frontier Brains weren't invited to the big super tournament
>>57031377Tobias doesn’t exist. He was actually a figment of Ash’s imagination. Ash was losing to a regular trainer and had to cope by imagining some guy with a Darkrai that tanks a fucking Megahorn form Heracross. Him having a Darkrai helps since it’d be Ash’s worst nightmare to fight a guy like that.That explains why he was never mentioned before, never appears again and why Cynthia was still champion.
>>57031377The writers forgot about him the nanosecond the frame where he holds the sinnoh trophy ends.
>>57032215>>57032198Isn't the League different in the anime, where you do the tournament and win it, then you get the chance to fight the E4/Champion? He could have won the Tournament and then lost to like fucking Bertha or something.
>>57031377darkrai killed him
>>57032222Realistically he got dumpstered by Cynthia or Flint's Lopunny
>>57032222nothat has never been a thing
>>57032222That is correct, it's exactly how it works. Winning the Conference grants you the right to battle the Elite Four.
>>57032227“Realistically”There is nothing realistic about Tobias’s character. Even by Pokemon Anime’s standards, he isn’t realistic.Literally doesn’t make any sense how Cynthia or any of the Sinnoh E4 can beat this guy. You know, the guy who has a single Pokemon capable of soloing multiple trainers and was only forced to use 2 Pokemon against Ash. The guy whose Darkrai (pretty frail Pokemon) tanks a fucking Megahorn from Heracross + chip damage + Gible’s attacks before being knocked out by Sceptile.You really expect someone to believe even Cynthia can beat him? It’d be like if Broly join the first tournament in Dragon Ball, effortlessly solos the tournament, the loses to Jackie Chun somehow.Nah he for what ever reason quit before the E4 or was disqualified/banned or some shit.
>>57032150When else did Paul come back?
>>57032364I mean Ash's Charizard was able to tank Gary's Blastoise and shit. Type advantages are sometimes just completely irrelevant in the anime. Usually it's not the case, but sometimes they are. Also the fact that none of the Conference Winners other than Alain returned, its safe to say none of them beat the Elite Four/Champion other than Alain.
the real reason tobias never got past the E4/cynthia
>>57032457Latios would 6/0 Cynthia
>>57032463>Togekiss used Fairy Wind!
>>57032374He showed up briefly in the Zoroark movie and came back for 2-3 episodes during Journeys
>>57032080Richie was never champion, he lost his next battle. The real champion is unknown
>>57032650Neither was Paul anon, I think he's just wanting all the iconic people back. Also the entire Tournament isn't Champion's only, Volkner is there, and Flint was able to place in Master too before falling out off screen.
>>57031377Tobias was an illusion. Darkrai creates nightmares and Latios is the mugen (dreaming/illusory) pokemon. He was a setup by those two to make Ash lose. Probably Latios’s idea, because Ash didn’t impregnate his cousin (M5 Latias) after his other cousin (M5 Latios) killed himself.
He wins with bullshit reasons, then he'll lose with bullshit reasons.
>>57032463If Latios got KOed by Pikachu it probably gets nodiffed by Togekiss or Spirit Tomb
>>57032546You said he "already came back" though. He didn't show up in Journeys until we already knew the Masters' Eight roster. So the only time he "already came back" was a non-speaking cameo in a questionably canon movie.
>>57032813All movies are canon.
>>57032892This is proven by...?
