somebody explain this one to me
It's a strawman
That's a Pikachu.I've been out of the game (no pun intended) for a while though, is there a scarecrow pokemon?? That would be cool.
That's not the part that show cases a Pokemon is cheated in though, The numbers part is?This bitch is moving goal posts so far they are in the next state.
The queen's comics return to /vp/
>>57052776tranny with xis strawman comics again because he can't not cheat
>>57052800Cacturne is basically a scarecrow and a cactus
>>57052776compfags should be shotwhat a fucking waste
Post it already
>>57052776This is like showing someone two photos of chessboards with all the pieces in the same spots and asking which of them is a photo of a game someone else won against a grandmaster and which is a photo of a chessboard faggot-kun just put the pieces in the same spots on.
>>57053817that was the most retarded analogy I've heard all week. thanks for the laffs
>>57052800Cacturne, sorta. It's essentially a scarecrow crossed with a cactus, except it only stays still during the day, or until someone wanders nearby in the desert where it lives. If the latter, it starts stalking them until they pass/out die from the heat or dehydration, then eats them.
Stop cheating (or I'll feel bad that I wasted hundreds of hours)
>>57053884Anon's analogy is logically sound. Snapshots looking the same do not mean they have the same significance.
>>57052776Genwunners and people who hate cheaters literally have nothing to do with each other, what is this whore on about?
>>57052776>6IVThe injected pikachu would have 0 attack while the bred one would have random attack.Why do people who don’t play competitive and don’t know shit about it even in theory make memes about it? This is embarrassing.
>>57054472And yeah, no idea why genwunners are mentioned. Did he thinks genwunner means someone who is against genning? Actually fucking brain dead.
>>57053015wrong
>>57052776Why would anyone 6 IV a fast Special Attacker?The extra points in Physical Attack only serve as a detriment for confusion or foul play.Anyways, this image is a textbook starman argument, and it pretends the problem with genning is superficial.I gen pokemon all the time, but I have never once tried to position myself on some sort of moral pedestal.If these people believed in the excuses they make, why do they get so defensive about it?
>>57054077Allegedly
>>57052776People who gen pokemon, especially if they're using them in official tournaments with cash prizes, are no better than ai generated content farm videos on YouTube. they don't give a shit about pokemon, just the money and popularity that comes from the rest of the fanbase.
>>57054528>not wanting to put up with a tedious chore means you dislike the gameAnyone defending breeding has sunk cost fallacy.
>>57054615It's not a chore anymore in newer games. You can literally make any Pokémon have functionally perfect IVs and whatever nature you want. There is no reason to gen anymore.
>>57054622Sure, but that comic is much older than the Switch.
>>57054615you had people who were caught cheating crying about how they "can't afford" to buy Legends Arceus just to get Cresselia when they did have to money to get a flight and hotel in Japan for Worlds
>>57054648More like they didn't have the time to keep replaying a 60-hour game just to find out their one legendary catch is a lemon.But it's also bullshit that TPC expects you to buy 5 games and 4 DLCs just to compete. But hey, Phione is still banned because someone might not have it!
>>57054622All still far more time consuming than just injecting. Additionally now it costs way more to teambuild than in Gen 4-7 with DLC.Also if it’s so easy, why do you care so much and have such emotional investment into people bypassing your chores?
>>57054670You can get any Pokémon battle ready within minutes in SV. I can get skipping hundreds of hours of breeding autism, but there is literally no reason to gen mons in SV except "I want to avoid playing the game for like 10 minutes".
>>57054689Then why do you care if people bypass it?
>>57054693it just means you're a lazy nigger who's too braindead to do a simple 10 minute task
>>57054708Why do you get so mad about people saving 10 minutes? Is it because you're a cuck who still has to do it manually?And it only takes 10 minutes if you have the cash upfront. Have fun grinding the school tournament for a couple hours to max out your money again.
>>57054719ik not mad, it's more like pity for the mentally feeble
>>57054719>Grinding the school tournamentLook at this faggot who does not play the game.The game quite literally prints money for you.
>>57054733By the time the DLC released I stopped caring.
>>57054693It's cheating out of laziness. It's just kinda pathetic desu.
>>57054739So then why should I give a shit about your uninformed, outdated opinion?For people whose context this applies to they will have the DLC.
>>57054758Because it was a problem back then and I doubt the replacement is much better.Not like it'll help much when trying to get 0IV mons from Legends.>inb4 t-they're not even meta so they don't count!
>>57054770>Not like it'll help much when trying to get 0IV mons from Legends.That's an entirely different issue unrelated to SV. Also>inb4 t-they're not even meta so they don't count!Did you know that the ONLY Pokemon this applies to is Eternatus? Every other Pokemon in PLA can be found in other games, and even the Hisuian variants can all be brought into SV. And surprise surprise, Eternatus is not used in competitive! So this issue is a non-issue.>Because it was a problem back then and I doubt the replacement is much better.The amount of money the game lets you print would land you in prison for counterfeiting. You can max out in five minutes flat. Stop talking about shit you do not know about.
>>57054808>That's an entirely different issue unrelated to SVNot quite, because they had every opportunity to fix that issue. And those Pokemon are still legal in competition.
>Which one was bredEasy, the one that’s allowed to take part in official tournaments.
>>57054689Battle Ready in minutes**After grinding all the resources you need from TMs, vitamins, bottle caps, mints, Tera Shards, etc. and if you also ignore legendaries, Ursaluna-Bloodmoon, and lower IV strategies like Trick Room, slow pivots, slow weather, or sets like LO Great Tusk
>>57055035>Noooo I don't want to play the game, I just want to baddle!!!Just go to fucking showdown then Jesus Christ
>>57055035There's easier ways to tell people you don't actually play the game at allThe game shits out items at you constantly, there have been at least three different raid events where they've given out Ditto with the "correct" IVs(0 Spd for Trick Room, 0 Att for special attackers, even a full 6 IV)Literally the only thing you have even a slight case for is getting 0 IV Bloodmoon, but a few people have actually been using a "fast" Bloodmoon that works with Tailwind and seeing successAs far as grinding, I maybe play the game couple of hours a week, and don't do raids much at all, and I have 999 of almost every shard, evolution item, and anything else needed to make a mon competitive If you hate actually playing Pokemon, just say that and take your ass to Showdown
>>57055035What I don't understand is if people insist on hacking, why not just hack in the money and/or items? That way the Pokemon is legit and you can still get perfect stats
>>57055550Because they would still have to put in some modicum of effort/actually play the gameCompetitive players do not actually play the games, they only interact with BattleSpot and quite a few of them don't even do that and only touch a Switch when they are at a tournament
>>57052776
>genwun guy>Gives a shit about gen vs bred pokemon IVsdammit, in my day, we caught the cool pokemon and used the cool pokemon. Genwun guy doesn't care about IVs, genwun guy barely cared about types and fought Brock with a Charmeleon
>>57055613KekThe world would be a better place if this happened instead
It unironically takes longer to gen in a Pokemon than to just catch a fresh one and raise it, but good luck convincing the retards who spent their whole life hacking and don't even know how to play the games legitimately any more.
Don't let any of this cheat or no cheat bullshit distract you from the fact that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum.
>>57054689I agree that genning is pretty much pointless when you can like 2 turn a raid or two to prep multiple Pokemon, but isn't using laziness as a reason why genning is bad kinda weird when you could always have some other guy to do the work for a mon? Like, that's what trading is for right?
>>57056752I mean that's also kinda pathetic but at least it's not cheating.
>>57056752Nobody uses raids for item gathering anymore. The item printer in the DLC prints so much vendor trash and tera shards you will be set for life.
>>57056829If you spend a hundred hours grinding BBQs.
>>57056842Or if you get three people and grind for ten minutes.
>>57055613kek
>>57056846Then burn through those points in the lottery and have to do it again.
>>57054693Because you're blatantly cheating just to save a few minutes because you're unfathomably lazy. Why are you so insistent it's anything but cheating?
>>57056857So? How does it affect you?
>>57056855Not even a problem because the lottery happens so rare and only awards Pokeballs so everything else is vendor trash.
>>57054494>starman argument
>>57052776Who the hell is this
>>57052776Why do troons think they don't look hideous, but everyone they don't like are?
>>57054494>Starman argument
>>57059031They know they can't pass as attractive so they're trying to change what attractive is
>>57052776there's a big autistic debate around whether or not you should be allowed to generate perfect pokemon with no effort, as long as they're identical to normal pokemon.Argument is that it doesn't give you an advantage, just saves you time
>>57054494starman argument
>>57060820Saving time IS an advantage
>>57060851False. You’re arguing on a German charcuterie board about playing a casual video game in a competitive setting. Anybody who’s going to go to these tournaments has infinite time anyways
>>57053817Closer analogy would be the photo of a game someone else won against a grandmaster vs. the photo of a game someone else won via cheating against a grandmaster
Something I've never understood about this debate is why people argue that genning is pointless because of how easy it is to raise mons in the new game, but then make a big deal about the advantage of saved time that genning gets you when people point out that there's no in-game advantage. It's really gotta be one or the other, either genning doesn't save enough time to have a significant advantage over building your team in-game to provide a reason to do it, or the time saved is significant enough to give an advantage to people who do it.
>>57052776This is what would happen if I was asked the question.
>>57060945I'm of the mindset that it doesn't save a signifigant enough advantage. At least in Gen 9, prior to that I'd be in the other camp. At this point I'm just asking myself why they don't just hack the items so the Pokemon are legit. Only thing you can't do is the autists who desire a 0 IV in attack or speed. I highly doubt doing 1 or 2 extra HP with that extra attack IV is going to be that consequential and even so it's still a 1 in 32 chance. Much less than shiny hunters deal with, even in modern Pokemon
>>570609590 Attack isn't super important because Foul Play isn't used much, but Confusion is still something to watch out for because there's still a significant amount of moves that cause it. 0 Speed, though, is one of the most important optimizations for VGC because of how strong trick room teams are, so that's definitely the main thing, which is why Bloodmoon caused a lot of grief because it's a trick room special attacker, so you want both 0 Attack and 0 Speed which just becomes a tedious slog- even if you don't care about 0 Attack, because it's hard-coded to always have at least 3 perfect IVs.
>>57060945you shouldn't enter a contract you don't plan on honoring. it's that simple. everything else is cope on either side.>but i dont like the rules!!sucks, but there's alternatives for competitive pokemon that allow you to generate pokemon on a whim that would love to have you in their tournaments. making the public statement that you're ok with the rules while refusing to follow them is dishonest; crying victimhood on social media because of your dishonesty makes you deserving of ridicule.
>>57060971I don't have a problem with this stance, it's more solid than any other argument about genning and makes sense to me, I just wish TPC had been more consistent about it because they had never taken any action against genning in their official tournaments until gen 9.
>>57052776Honestly this image is retarded, there's no way to tell them apart (and if that's Le twist then it fucking sucks because, of course, a PROPERLY genned mon can be exactly like a legitimately obtained one)>>57060983GF started acting in Gen 9 due to unsportsmanlike behavior + obvious cheated mons like, IIRC, a Terapagos with different stats than usual and other similar casesChecking each and every mon just the check if they are legit takes time and even then it might be impossible to tell the difference
Imagine if baseball players had to roll dice for hundreds of hours to see if they got a good bat. Sure you can still use the crappy average 20% worse bat in competition, but if you sit here mindlessly rolling a die in your free time for hours on end you might get the perfect standard bat that everyone else uses. Also there's a simple say to skip the mindless dice rolling and create a perfect standard bat, but if you use it a couple autists on a Mongolian under water basket weaving forum will seethe.
>>57052776Just trade with people you trust in person, so that if you find out they're genning you can slit their throat>Pokémon: serious business
>>57052776It's a trick question, those Pikachu's are male, therefore cannot be bred. Alternatively, the bred one is the one with cum on it.
>>57054494Spelling aside, explain why you actually care about injecting Pokemon.Hard mode: No justifying the rule by saying its the rule.
>>57052776You cannot tell a genes Pokemon from a legit one, as long as it is done correctly.The point of comic is not hard to grasp.
>>57061058> Checking each and every mon just the check if they are legit takes time and even then it might be impossible to tell the differenceIt’s really not that hard. pkHex had better legality check than TPCi for ages and might still have. It’s pretty much instant as well so a judge could do it while the contestants take their seats.
>>57052776 This woman grafted a fake dick made out of her forearm flesh atop of her sawn-shut pussy and now pretends to be a manlet. Also I still want to see all of the alleged crappy OC porn she made on her Tumblr blog before the coompocalypse hit.
>>57062729>This woman grafted a fake dick made out of her forearm flesh atop of her sawn-shut pussy and now pretends to be a manletwhat the fuck
>>57061650bad analogy since the baseball players should be the pokemon
>>57062460>explain why you actually care about injecting Pokemon.I don't care, that's my point, the fact that these people are so defensive about it is self defeating.It's like if someone got caught doping in the Olympics and tried arguing that they're the victims, it's just pathetic.I'm pretty sure more than half my Pokemon are genned.
>>57063326So it's a baseball player who spent his entire life training vs a genetically altered super soldier
they're both genned a real one would have 6 in the third stat because it caps out at 510
>>57054622>It's not a chore anymore in newer games.You say "games" as if this applies to more than just the newest generation. Admittedly I don't know how long it takes to get perfect competition-viable team but as of SwSh it still took several dozen hours and that's assuming you have all the games which give you access to all the best individual training options and exclusive transfer shit.
>>57054622Psst. Anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPm2WQtDp6gThat's still excessive and it's just a single team.
>>57065351It also took a huge step back with SV because of how much of a pain in the ass the tera shards were to get
>>57065537>2 hours to find a 5IV dittoCertified retard not using money grinding and bottlecaps lol
>>57065621>argues “not a chore” while using the word “grinding” in his argumentWho’s the retard here?
>>57065537>Trick room team>Starting without even a ditto
>>57065657(You)
>>57065537Wait until he finds out what you need to buy your kid for them to play sports
>>57065537More bullshit... they did at least three different raid events for Ditto where you could get Ditto with competitive IVs, including 0 speed and 0 attack IV Dittos along with 5 and 6 IV Ditto in the commonly used Natures>>57065559I would maybe do a handful of raids weekly and had hundreds of shards and that was before the DLCs started vomiting shards at you Mofos need to stop lying about "the grind"
>>57065777They're just looking for excuses for "Oh I need to put in more than 5 seconds of effort? That justifies my cheating"
>>57065789Professional tennis players now have to make their rackets by hand. What happens?
>>57052776>trans being the smart person>the most incel looking dude being the idiothow fucking arrogant and hateful you have to be, i thought you guys were all about diversity, acceptance and love
>>57052776I think this entire thing is just retarded. Just rework the breeding mechanics into some minigames or something and no one will care anymore. Make it so having a full team takes maybe an hour tops if you're looking for making something really specific
>>57065876>a full team taking an hour topsThis is what the pro-gen side wants. Currently it takes multiple dozens of hours to get a complete team because of legendaries not being breedable and because of a lack of 0IV bottle caps. All that would need to be done is to make a rusty bottle cap and boom, problem instantly solved
>>57065841They're not accepting. They're just demanding that they're accepted
>>57065891>This is what the pro-gen side wants.Untrue, even in the Blissy video above, he complains about buying games more than the time spent. Nothing will ever be enough until the game outside of online battles is completely optional.
>>57054494>Why would anyone 6 IV a fast Special Attacker?Because>The extra points in Physical Attack only serve as a detriment for confusion or foul play.There's no reason not to min/max, even if it only comes up one in a hundred games. You're playing to win.
>>57065997>Nothing will ever be enough until the game outside of online battles is completely optional.Because that's how it should be if Pokemon wants to be an actual fair and competitive esport. Right now it's stuck in this quasi single player/multiplayer meta state where both are suffering. People that just want to play competitive have to grind in a single player game. People that just want a good single player game have the in game balance ruined by quality of life features that trivialize raising your Pokemon. All the multiplayer battling needs to be moved to its own game. They could tie it to Home and make it a Showdown-like game and then going forward everything would use that. Then the single player games could actually be good again without needing to worry about breaking pvp balance, and the people who just want to pvp could have their game without needing to play a completely different game.
It's a mid wit thinking they just OWNED the people who are against pokemon that were injected into the game via PKhex. If I remember right with the right equipment you can tell via the code for that mon. Not something the average pokemon player can even access.Anyways, Cheating/exploiting your way to getting pokemon has been a part of the franchise since day one. I give no fucks, I also don't take "competitive" pokemon battle serious. You want some fucking mythical that was only given out at during a certain time frame and maybe even locked to a physical location? Just inject it. Fuck em. You want to complete your dex without trading? Fuck it, use a game shark. You don't want to waste hours reading up on how the obtuse breeding system work, then waste even more time ensuring you have the best chance to get what you are hunting, only to then spend EVEN MORE time going back n forth waiting for that magical combo of wants pops out of the egg? FUCK IT! Just inject it. It does not matter at all.
>>57066299>actual fair and competitive esport.It will NEVER, EVER be that while being tied to a single player game.The very core of the game is far too imbalanced. That's why there is all these different tiers and STILL there are bans on combos of attacks/items/abilities/mons.Some mons just far outclass everything else.There are literal hundreds use useless shitmons
>>57052776both6 iv is higly unlikely
>>57054494sexo with nidorina
>>57066409>smogon out of nowhereSingle battles are even more unfair than double battles because they aren’t what the game balance team designed around. Of course random shitmon #37 is going to be broken in memeused. The fact that people still insist on playing it despite how broken it is is baffling sometimes
>>57054472>the bred one would have random attack.iirc you're able to control 5 of the 6 IVs, can't you just hatch until you land the 1/32 chance of it being 0
>Genning pokemon>when I can modify my save to have 999 of every itemLMAOing@retards
>>57066476>6 iv is higly unlikely*blocks your path*
>>57066904This might save you for the next few generations, but eventually even high value items will be verified online.We'll get you chuds breeding pokemon again eventually.
>>57066921Competitive breeding is literally never coming back. You think they're taking away bottlecaps? You're retarded.Also, GF is too retarded to verify every single item.
>>57066914he's holding a 3dsI don't think these existed before gen 7
>>57065777>eventsIf these aren't running 24/7 this is not a counterargument.>>57065664>completely missing the pointConcession accepted.>>57065621>"lol what a retard he didn't grind the right way">"by the way it's super easy to do this there's no grinding"Concession accepted.
>>57066973>image seems to be at least from 2015Dam you're right.
>>57067070You lazy motherfucker... they were raid events, meaning you could do multiple raids that took all of 2 minutes a piece to finishI have two whole boxes of fucking Ditto with the proper natures/IVs from just one evening of playing those raids for like two hours- I gave away half of them to help random people out, and still have multiplesJust admit you're a lazy fuck who doesn't actually care about playing the games and stay on Showdown where you belong
>>57067203>retardLimited time events are not an argument. It doesn't matter how easy they are. They're limited time meaning they're not a valid argument. "It's not so bad as long as you play during this very specific window of time" is moving the goalpost. Concession accepted.
>>57066409>It will NEVER, EVER be that while being tied to a single player game.That's... what I said. Did you read the rest of the post? They need to break the pvp out into its own game with its own set of stats and rules and logic. Imagine if they could have balance patches and nerf Urshifu without worrying about making it too hard for Little Timmy to beat the Isle of Armor. Imagine if they could remove Trick Room from Indedee F because that's supposed to be for M only and was only given out in error in a raid.
>>57065777And what if you started playing after the raid events? Should you just be at a disadvantage? What if you're new to the game? If I buy any other multiplayer game I can jump right into competitive. With Pokemon I'm only allowed to jump in right at the start of a gen? And even then, with pay to win DLC from older games I'd still be at a disadvantage.
>anons spend three days getting mad at a strawman comic that's over 10 years old
