>>57055044
Pokemon?

>>57055044
Fuck Palword and fuck the Chinese

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>>57055044
Palkeks

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>>57055044
inb4 another version of the sphere launcher that can send your pal further with better versions. this will only add more sovl to the game

Never played Palworld, but the first monster taming game to reach massive success on the scale of pokemon getting sued over arbitrarly gameplay mechanics is objectively a grim precedent.

>>57055044
Palcuckbros...

>>57055055
Pocketpair is Japanese, stupid.

>>57055099
but anon, palworld is le bad! game freak and nintendo are le good guises. Using the legal system to get rid of competition is good! I love stagnation!

>>57055099
Maybe but palfags were annoying so I can't feel bad about it

>>57055159
>being okay with it being illegal for anybody to have katana besides samurai

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>>57055099
it's like they only became successful because they are plagiarizing pokemon and the game doesn't have appeal on it's own

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>>57055046
Yes because we allow Digimon here, too.

>>57055101
They may be ethnically Japanese, but spiritually they are Chinese

>>57055182
Which would be fine if they sued over plagiarism of designs. But they are suing over throwing an object to capture an enemy to add them to your team or something along those lines. Copyright over gameplay is always bad.

>>57055044
You are insanely late and yes the speculation was because of the suit they changed it, Mods to fix were up in less than 2 hours though, They also changed mounts so grab that one as well. =)

>>57055044
If that is what it takes to drop the lawsuit then I would be surprised up the arse

Wouldn't changing mechanics this late in the game be an admission of guilt?
Sounds like PocketPair would still be forced to pay up

>>57056017
That same logic can also be applied to the patents. It's not even a question of patents or game designs when big names like Nintendo are involved: It's about who can invest longer in a legal case. Now that Palworld has the backing of Sony officially, it would be the first time that the accused party in a legal case started by Nintendo would have the financial means to fight back unlike previous instances involving emulators, hacked hardware and other instances that could in Nintendo's eyes come at their expense.

>>57056017
There is speculation the changes are a test and that only the Japanese side will have them fully but who knows until they drop the new update and suit is over, I mean this thread was clearly a bait thread but if you look even on a simple place like steam forums people are fixing this mess.

>>57055956
that's very hard to prove. I don't care what excuse Nintendo uses against them, as long as they get fucked I'm happy. And Palkeks can cry me a river you know

>>57055182
There's a thousand failed games that "plagiarized" Pokemon though so I don't think that's it

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>>57056104
there are also a thousand of successful monster tamer games that didn't get a lawsuit so I'm pretty sure that's it

>>57055159
this
you get what you deserve

>>57056120
So far this is what we've established
>a game can be successful without "plagiarizing" Pokemon
>a game can fail even after "plagiarizing" Pokemon
Your example is of the former, which shows that Palworld's success is even less likely to come from plagiarism. If all it look was plagiarizing Pokemon to make a successful game, then surely you can point to a few other commercial successes that got a letter from Nintendo.

>>57055044
dragon quest should sue them next
GF arguably stole much more from DQ than palworld ever did

>>57055217
spiritually you are brown.

>>57056532
>a game can fail even after "plagiarizing" Pokemon
I never said this. That's your conclusion
>Your example is of the former
??? No. Ni No Kuni failed when it started to release more games and started to lose steam. The first game was a success
>which shows that Palworld's success is even less likely to come from plagiarism.
No. Palworld whole marketing is "pokemon with guns". It's success comes exclusively form being a pokemon knock off and would have sold less if the designs weren't obviously Pokemons knock offs
>If all it look was plagiarizing Pokemon to make a successful game
your words not mine
>then surely you can point to a few other commercial successes that got a letter from Nintendo.
But I won't. My point is there are successful monster tamer games that DIDN'T get a letter from Nintendo because they didn't plagiarize. Why would I look for examples of plagiarism in successful games when it doesn't have anything to do with my point?

>>57056616
No

>>57055956
Suing over designs is actually a very, very difficult process. While patent suits are also a clusterfuck, you can prove it more easily n Japanese courts than you could over one monster looking too much like another.
>>57056104
>>57056120
It's because it's Sony. Nintendo did not give a shit about Palworld UNTIL Sony "partnered" with Pocketpair, and then started pushing to monetize it as a brand in every way they could. This is a 30 year grudge match between two companies that absolutely hate each other. Sony is STILL holding a ridiculously petty grudge over Nintendo backing out of a contract that would've removed the latter's autonomy, and Nintendo is STILL holding a petty grudge over Sony attempting to screw them with said contract.

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>>57056901
>it's because it's son-
AIEEEEEE IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT

>>57055182
Nintendo is suing because Palworld COULD become a problem.
This isn't suing because actual damages occurred, it's preemptive because their old flame, now mortal enemy, Sony wants the Palworld BRAND under their wing.

This is the REAL reason this is happening, not because Palworld actually did something wrong.
It's Sony vs. Nintendo, it's just how Japanese corps are, it fucking Game Of Thrones over in Nipland.

>>57056901
Sony isn't the reason. It's just because Palworld made enough money to get on Nintendo's radar. Same reason they didn't give a fuck about most Smash mods until they noticed people running them at major public tournaments.

death to shigeru, masuda iwata and tajiri

>>57056881
>would have sold less if the designs weren't obviously Pokemon knock offs
Nintendo isn't suing over the designs. Why did you bring up the lawsuit if that isn't even your standard for plagiarism?
>Why would I look for examples of plagiarism in successful games?
To substantiate the claim that Palworld is only successful thanks to plagiarism. So far, all you've proved is that monster collection games don't need to copy Pokemon to be successful. That just makes Palworld look better.

>>57056820
You didn't dispute the claim.

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>>57057017
>Nintendo isn't suing over the designs.
and?
>Why did you bring up the lawsuit if that isn't even your standard for plagiarism?
because the game would have sold less if they weren't blatant pokemon knock offs
>To substantiate the claim that Palworld is only successful thanks to plagiarism.
there are a lot of Chinese pokemon like mobile games who made millions and got sued by game freak like every year
>So far, all you've proved is that monster collection games don't need to copy Pokemon to be successful. That just makes Palworld look better.
it makes Palworld look worse because they can't succeed without being a pokemon wannabe

>>57057075
>because the game would have sold less if they weren't blatant pokemon knock offs
No it would of sold less if Pokemon had standards
>it makes Palworld look worse because they can't succeed without being a pokemon wannabe
Again if Pokemons image wasn't so low looked upon maybe
Also the model pics some were proven to be a grasping of straws by Pokemon fans including alot of fake ones but feel free to post poly count and wire frames to show other wise

>>57057075
If there are plenty of Pokemon wannabes that don't succeed, how is Palworld's success specifically because of shit like Weederace?

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>>57057161
>No it would of sold less if Pokemon had standards
you are coping
>Again if Pokemons image wasn't so low looked upon maybe
Pokemon image is as it highest. If one of the most recognizable franchises in the world and any game with pokemon references gets undeserved online attention by virtue of being pokemon
>Also the model pics some were proven to be a grasping of straws by Pokemon fans including alot of fake ones but feel free to post poly count and wire frames to show other wise
COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE

>>57056925
even if *when GF loses, it hardly even matter at this point
no way the palfags could ever outlast the money GF has to burn on frivolous litigation
itll be exactly like bleem
they won their suit, established emulation as legal, and still went tits up simply due to the cost of fighting the suit in the first place

>>57057191
because there is a market demand for pokemon with guns, and there is no market demand for pokemon but worse and more lame. That's why those games didn't success.
You correlate X and Y like a 10 years old kid

>>57057213
kys kid

>>57057075
>there are a lot of Chinese pokemon like mobile games who made millions and got sued by game freak like every year
Name 5
>>57057213
So essentially, you're saying Palworld succeeded because it found an unexplored niche and did it well, the actual designs were secondary to that.
It's not like "Pokemon with guns" was something people were clamoring for, everyone thought the game was a fucking meme when the first trailer came out a few years ago.

>>57056120
its not the plagio or how successful the game is, is about the merchandise. Pokemon is a merchandise franchise, the games are just the medium that facilitates that. If they get actual competition in that field they WILL bite.

>>57057281
>Name 5
go find them yourself fucker, I'm not doing your job
>you're saying Palworld succeeded because it found an unexplored niche and did it well
yes
>the actual designs were secondary to that.
no
>It's not like "Pokemon with guns" was something people were clamoring for
It was
> everyone thought the game was a fucking meme when the first trailer came out a few years ago.
And that gave it fame

>>57057342
>there are a lot
>I won't name even one though sorry
lol
At least you finally admitted that Palworld's success didn't come from plagiarism

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>>57057360
>doesn't know about the 100 Chinese gacha pokemon ripoffs
>at least you admitted something you never said
it's like talking to a machine. Just off yourself, I mean it

>>57057384
fennekin pictures show you have lost the argument.

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>>57057391
the opposite

>>57057393
nobody is on your side, ivysaur wanna be.

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>>57057384
>>you're saying Palworld succeeded because it found an unexplored niche and did it well
>yes
Your words, not mine
Pokemon ripoffs are common but I'm still waiting for you to show me one that was making millions and got sued by Game Freak for plagiarism.
picrelated got sued but it was for IP theft and I don't think I need to explain the difference.

>>57055044
Once again, i'm all for somebody challenging Pokemon. But Palworld was soulless slop.

>>57057428
Palworld gave unique animations to every single one of its mons when they didn't need to and they hired an FPS/gun enthusiast they found on youtube to work on the gunplay
It may be unpolished but it doesn't lack sovl

>>57057419
Palworld niche is also being a pokemon ripoff as I already told you from the very same post you are quoting.
You don't get it and you will never get it because you are basically fucking stupid. Bye loser

>>57057467
Concession accepted.

>>57055044
this is only happening because pocketpair is in japan, and japan is a cucked shithole that bends the knee to greedy, scummy corporations like dogshittendo
and then there are japmanchildren and tendiemanchildren across the globe cheering this on, so no one really sees anything wrong with this
these developers should have set their base outside japan if they wanted to make this game
doesnt matter anyway since palworld was never meant to be a pokeshit competitor, it doesnt even feel like the same genre besides having monster creatures you can capture
roco kingdom plays more like pokemon and that is something i would consider a direct competitor to pokemon

>>57056925
>It's fucking Game Of Thrones over in Nipland
So that means that there will be a lot of blood and death, to end in a shitty finale, and everybody will be more pissed their wasted their time rather than learning the mistakes done through their path? Seems legit, and dissapointing.

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>>57057213
>>57057342
>game doesn't have any appeal on its own
>but actually it has it's own niche that makes it appealing
Why is it a point of contention here compared to cozy animal life sims that definitely don't feature pointy eared cats, quirky 90s collectathon platformers staring hip/goofy animal mascot lead, or "Dark Souls but the flames on our bonfires are blue?" Hell, Temtem is literally just offbrand Pokemon and is on the Switch at this point.

>>57057198
Palworld isn't where the money to keep them alive from said litigation it's Sony.
But keep in mind Palworld still made a Faustian deal, win or lose, they WILL be 100% at Sony's beck and call.

>>57057428
Challenging Pokemon/Game Freak requires to have nearly the same game mechanics to actually be comparible.

Same mechanics = le bad as seen by Nintendo.

In order to challenge Game Freak you have to have "soulless slop".

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>>57058113
Think about Palworld as pokemon porn. It's a genre GF doesn't want to touch and will never touch despite being massive demand for it but it destroys the image of the brand.
Palworld is the meme violent route GF will never touch, but many people want.
The other pokeclones are just a reskin pokemon game with minor differences that don't make them stand out.
This is really not hard to get at all

They'll add it back when they win the lawsuit. They didn't violate Nintendo's shitty patent if you actually read through it. Palworld doesn't have a lock on mechanism, which is specified in the patent.

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>>57055044
Pocketpair is a Japanese studio which explains why they don't go after chinks who steal from TPC with worse gameplay

>>57059490
>they are winning that's why they are losing

>>57057020
Nor did you Jeet

>>57057075
Least delusional pokecuck tendie

They should add something like demoman's grenade launcher, where it has a six cylinder revolver that you cycle through to choose which pal to launch

Yokai watch felt bigger than palworld especially in Japan

>>57056616
Show one thing palworld stole from dragon quest.

>>57055044
It’s obvious they just did that so people would talk about the game again. Nobody has cared about palworld for months and now this thread gets made

>>57055044
KEKYPOW

>>57055099
It's because it's on the PS5.
Japanese bullshit would enable each of the companies to completely destroy each other, but they don't, on an honor system.
But since this is not on Nintendo, ad instead available via Sony, that honor has been broken, and therefore Nintendo has the "right" to pull this shit.

>>57055044
palsisters, my legs feel weak...

>>57055044
>They literally took Arceus and Gardevoir, mixed them together and called it an original creature
Do Palcucks really?

>>57060269
the arms are from meowcarada kek

>>57055044
Is this good, should I just pirate it?

>>57055044
/pal/ board

>>57060269
Palworld likes it's Waifus in big ballgowns or dresses.
They have like 10 of them.

>>57055044
So?
I only pirated this shit for the prospect of coomer mods anyways - and even in that front the autistic furtrannies failed to deliver.

>>57055044
>KEKAROO
go back to /uhg/ goreleaf you fucking psycho

>>57055217
Japan is just a fanfic ripoff of ancient China. All Japanese are spiritually Chinese even if they try to hide it.

>>57060420
It's a fun time for $30 and definitely a pirate if you like Ark, Rust, Valheim survival slop and are into the idea of using Pokemon for base building labor to primarily produce pokeballs and ammo. It's a build a base and play survival until you get bored kind of game. The updates actually fixed many of the launch issues and added decent content updates that properly blend in with the launch content and add new gameplay that is bretty fun.

My complaints about launch was that Pals laboring in the base would get stuck constantly unless you idiotproofed every build to handhold the pals pitiful pathfinding and collision and you had almost no control of what type of task a base laborer would prioritize so they'd run around half completing tasks then dropping them unfinished like adhd retards, but I picked it back up this week and that's all completely fixed now making the base building side of the game much more enjoyable.

The combat collision, damage curve, and AI is still a mess though. Bosses can get stuck in rocks leaving unobtainable drops. Pals do no damage compared to endgame player gun builds on default settings. And for some reason one shotting enemies or almost anything else doesn't trigger enemy detection making the oil rig dungeon the equivalent of shooting at bunch of blind punching bags. If I fire a rocket at a guy and it kills the guy standing directly in front of him it won't aggro the second guy because the first guy apparently didn't survive to tell him he got hit by a rocket despite this loud as fuck obvious rocket spam happening in the second guys and 20 other guys line of sight.

>>57055044
The new send out animation is fucked shit. You can only send out Pals directly next to you with no way to aim it. There's a mod to fix it, but its depressing that rather than make an acceptable fun non dogshit game Game Freak would rather just sue the only idiots even attempting to make a fun game so they can continue to stagnate and sell dogshit without competition for as long as possible.

>>57063118
Pocket Pair is not a saint. They made it their M.O. to release broken, unfinished game in early develoment for full price, and then abandon them.

>>57063258
Their product is still fun for their price, skill level, and economy of scale. Amateur shit for $30 providing me with more playtime than PLA provided me for what should be a $60 price if I didn't have to pirate it to play it on my PC because I would rather paint my ceiling with my brains than touch Nintendo hardware ever again after how dogshit Joycons were and still are a decade later. GF could at least make a product that's fun.

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>>57055055
You are Grimer right now

>>57063933
Based Grimer

>>57063933
who does grimer main

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>>57063875
>>57063118
look at this palnigger crying

>>57059630
>they are losing
They only appear to be losing because the bureaucratic red tape slows the process. Nintendo has to present their argument, Palworld has to present their defense, then a decision is made. Until then, all we're doing is speculating. In the meantime, it's better for Pocket Pair to work on alternatives, because legal precedent has sided with Nintendo. If Nintendo wins this case, it's because they've compromised the Japanese legal system.

>>57055099
>on the scale of pokemon
Palworld is nowhere near as successful as pokemon. Remember, they haven't actually given any actual sales numbers yet, just player counts which also includes pirated copies.
>getting sued over arbitrarly gameplay mechanics is objectively a grim precedent.
Copying a mechanic verbatim years after the game that used it isn't "arbitrary" by any stretch of the imagination nor will it set a precedent that doesn't already exist.

>>57060208
Also, Sony offered to make Palworld into a multimedia franchise. Therefore, it explicitly became Sony's territory, breaking the Gentleman's Agreement and TRULY plunging Palworld into "infringing upon Pokemon" territory as far as Nintendo's iron grip over Japanese law is concerned.
Remember, these are niggers who got their start through the fuckin' yakuza. And then accumulated SO much wealth with their brands that they're one of the most powerful companies in Japan, which means they have loooooooots of influence over the legal systems and government due to how much wealth they can utilize for their own benefit.

>>57064181
>the Gentleman's Agreement
That's not a thing and even if it was pocketpair wouldn't be included since they're generally hated among developers for their ideology of just stealing aspects of games and slapping them together.
Anyway here
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/game-platforms/capcom-wins-patent-infringement-lawsuit-against-koei-tecmo
>Remember, these are niggers who got their start through the fuckin' yakuza.
No, no they didn't. Nintendo were a company long before the Yakuza started buying hanafuda cards from them.
>which means they have loooooooots of influence over the legal systems and government due to how much wealth they can utilize for their own benefit.
Where do you people get the idea that you can just pay to win court battles, Ace Attorney or something? The amount of money a plaintiff or defendant has is irrelevant to the case itself. It's obvious that you're just preparing excuses to spam when the verdict is given years from now.

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>>57063118
The irony is that if Pocketpair had maid an acceptable, fun and non-dogshit game rather than one that relies on stolen and stagnant ideas they wouldn't have been sued.

>>57064220
>maid
The cherry on top of a dumb take.

>>57064212
>That's not a thing
Then why did Nintendo wait until Sony offered to help Palworld go multimedia? Why not strike as soon as the evidence was clear as day during Palworld's hype window to show they mean business with upholding their patents? It doesn't take literal months to determine the basis of which Nintendo attacked Palworld.

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>>57063258
>and then abandon them
They're still making free DLC updates and patches, and they have an active YouTube where they post animations. How ignorant do you have to be to say they "abandoned" it when they are absolutely still putting out content even after the massive popularity wave died down? Come on.

I seriously wish Gamefreak/Creatures would just drop the shittendo console exclusivity and make PC/mobile pokémon games. Moving to PC would allow them make better games. Funny how they want to patent so many features that PLA could barely do without feeling chuggy and clunky compared to MHW and PalWorld. An official Pokémon MMO would be really fucking nice but I think the scope of a project like that is unironically too galaxy brain for how crap GF actually is at programming.

Someone here on /vp/ posted an exposé on just how badly Sun and Moon were coded with a ridiculous amount of instanced Lillies iirc. Would love to find those posts again just to remind this thread that despite making video games for 25+ years GF is way behind the times despite TPC being able to afford better programmers.

>>57064240
>Then why did Nintendo wait until Sony offered to help Palworld go multimedia
It's almost as if you don't just gung ho sue someone if you want to win and have to build up a legitimate case first.
You could also argue that Sony had nothing to do with it since they didn't immediately sue when they became involved so your logic doesn't work.
>It doesn't take literal months to determine the basis of which Nintendo attacked Palworld.
Yes, yes it does. Remember this is a patent case, not copyright. Patents are a more intricate matter and can easily be thrown out unless you're 100% sure.
Also, we were told that they were going to do something but everyone thought that was just a
>stop messaging us and fuck off
Thing rather than actually taking it seriously.

>>57064261
>They're still making free DLC updates and patches, and they have an active YouTube where they post animations. How ignorant do you have to be to say they "abandoned" it when they are absolutely still putting out content even after the massive popularity wave died down? Come on.
NTA but he clearly meant "games" plural and not "game" singular referring to just palworld.
They only have 1 game under their belt that's complete.

>>57055182
Palworld didn't plagiarize Pokemon, like barely at all, it's an ARK clone with a sprinkle of Pokemon on top. There's been fuckloads of games, simulators, even romhacks that get much closer to the formula (and/or outright just use it straight from the games) but TPC didn't care until now.

TPC's just salty as fuck that another monster catching game got within the same zip code in sales as their games, and got saltier when Palworld got backed by Microsoft for a bit.

>>57064818 (me)
*Microsoft, and later, Sony

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Why only pokebrowns throw a fit when competition comes along?
Everyone else enjoys and welcomes alternate takes on their favorite game

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I dont care if they're "plaguarisisingng" or not, I dont even care about the gameplay, I just want these neat alternative flavour designs not be forgotten. it tickles that right spot of why I love pokemon as creatures and gives me something cute to look at instead of getting bored of modern gen shitmon designs while waiting for any news to drop pokemon wise

>>57064818
>but TPC didn't care until now
Because they didn't copy anything. The mistake you're making is that you can't separate concepts from mechanics so you think that any kind of tamer uses the same mechanics as pokemon just because it's a tamer.
>TPC's just salty as fuck that another monster catching game got within the same zip code in sales as their games
Anon, it's about 15m off by their own admission on top of the fact that their player counts also include pirates.

>>57064331
They're suing Pocketpair because they're seething over a rip off gaining a level of success and entering the realm of merchandising. They're so infuriated over it that they've decided to sue Pocketpair over a patent they haven't even violated. It's been said already, there's no lock on mechanism in Palworld, but this is something specified in the patent. That's just one example, there are probably more since the patent goes on for multiple pages.

>>57065314
>there's no lock on mechanism in Palworld
The patent doesn't have anything to do. With a lock om. It's a three input method of switching modes, aiming and launching the object, which is exactly what Palworld does.
>PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To provide a game program, a game system, a game device, and a game processing method allowing a player character to perform various kinds of motions on a field in a virtual space.
>SOLUTION: A sighting direction within a virtual space is determined based on second operation input in a first mode, a player character is allowed to release an item affecting a field character disposed on a field within a virtual space toward the sighting direction on the basis of third operation input, a sighting direction is determined based on second operation input in a second mode, and the play character is allowed to release a fighting character who fights toward the sighting direction on the basis of the third operation input.

>Determine an aiming direction in the virtual space based on a second operation input; and causing the player character to shoot, in the aiming direction, an item that affects a field character placed on a field in a virtual space, based on a third operation input; and Providing an effect associated with the item to the field character when the item is released to a location where the field character is located; and In the second mode determine the aiming direction based on the second operation input; and causing the player character to shoot a battle character in the aiming direction based on the third operation input, the battle character performing a battle; and Starting a battle between the field character and the battle character on the field when the battle character is released to a place where the field character is arranged.

You should really spend less time samefagging bootlicking and more time actually trying to understand why pocket pair is being sued.

>>57064176
The act of copyrighting mechanics is itself awful. Copyright the code sure, but copyrighting the gameplay just forces developers to waste time finding work arounds instead of making games.

>>57065314
>They're suing Pocketpair because they're seething over a rip off gaining a level of success and entering the realm of merchandising.
Let's be honest here, Palworld is a blip on the radar and there's no room for them in the merchandise space alongside the big hitters, not just pokemon mind you but everything else. In addition no company worth their salt is going to give up Pokemon manufacturing for Palworld.
Hell, the only thing keeping it relevant right now is Nintendo, if they hadn't rightfully sued the palworld would have less players than Concord by now.
>there are probably more since the patent goes on for multiple pages.
So you're saying that the patent mentions a lock on while at the same time you're essentially admitting to not reading the patent?

>>57065381
It's a patent dude, patents don't follow the same rules as copyright and if you really wanted to you could ask the rights holder for permission to use it, most don't even ask for money to use it making it a non issue.
>just forces developers to waste time finding work arounds instead of making games.
That's the excuse every legitimately mentally retarded person gives but skirting around a patent takes like five seconds since patent infringement has to be EXACT. If you change one thing then bam, you're free.
By the way, good developers are doing that anyway as time goes on since they understand that one way isn't the best way.
I mean, take Mario and Sonic, if Nintendo had patented defeating an enemy by jumping on them do you think Sonic would be infringing?

>>57056934
cringe underagetard

>>57059630
>i have to be contrarian so i'm going to make assumptions and bend reality to follow my own narrative
retard

>>57065519
Says the person making up nonsense about lock ons.

>>57064154
>Palworld has to present their defense, then a decision is made.
Let's be honest, they have no real defence here especially since they've gone on record to say that their games just steal features and mash them together without even trying to create something new.
Pocketpair are pretty much fucked.

>>57057197
>Pokemon image is as it highest. If one of the most recognizable franchises in the world and any game with pokemon references gets undeserved online attention by virtue of being pokemon
>the last two mainline games, SwSh and SV, have had some of the lowest scores, even more coming from users
>the majority of the popularity stems from anime and competitive now, not the games
>the Switch sold a ton and there had never been an actually decent, direct and widespread known concurrence to Pokémon before, only games a minority learned about by looking for them
>looking through Youtube, Xitter, Reddit, etc., you can see a general consensus that Pokémon failed to deliver recently
"b-b-b-b-b-but the sales", read again moron, it's not because the games are good that they sold, hence why even a plagiarized version who tried to cater to specific needs not yet done does well, people just want a good Pokémon game and can't have it so they prefer an average imitation than a bad original
it doesn't matter that the image of the Pokémon franchise in general is high, people who buy the games and are fed up still like Pokémon, else we wouldn't be all here complaining and still coming back to a place about Pokémon, use your fucking brain for more than 2 seconds, it's not because you have palshit that you have to be contrarian any time someone defends it, and i hate palshit so having me to defend this shows how fucking moronic your argumentation is when we have undeniable proof of exactly what you try to dismiss
also, Pokemon, having standards? pleaaaase, look at the buggy mess that was Gen 9, of the graphics of PLA and Gen 8/9, that the only polished game of the bunch is another fucking Kanto remake, etc.
now stop being a moron, using "cope" as a counter to everything that doesn't line up with your headcanon and be honest for once because i'm sure you didn't even like/play the recent games so you are one to talk about its popularity

Palfags only play it out of spite towards pokemon. Not a single genuine palworld fan.

>>57056914
>he never played the games to say this shit
Moron. Yokai Watch is nowhere near the same experience as Pokémon. It's like comparing Dragon Quest Monsters to Gen 1 Pokémon.

>>57065651
>it's not because the games are good that they sold
That exactly why they're selling. As much as you want to complain about pokemon now there are very few rpgs that can actually match it let alone any other monster tamer.
The problem is though that the people who like Pokemon but constantly shit on it have only ever played pokemon, naturally that means that their standards are formed by pokemon. They only compare the games to themselves while judging the games in ways no one would ever judge a game, like completely disregarding the main game to focus entirely on post game and that goes way back which is why you see some people say that RS has less to do than GSC because GSC has a second region as postgame but I'm getting off track now.
>it's not because you have palshit that you have to be contrarian any time someone defends it
Contrarian doesn't mean people you don't like you know, it has a specific meaning in that it's someone who rejects the popular opinion and it's definitely not a popular opinion that Palworld is a good game in its own right let alone compared to pokemon.
>and i hate palshit so having me to defend
You don't have to defend it at all. There's no reason for you to do so outside of arguing for the sake of arguing, aka, being mentally retarded.
Just because you dislike current pokemon due to your lack of gaming experience doesn't mean you have to side with a worse developer. I didn't like the path Sonic took for years but that doesn't mean I automatically went to bat for Mario since at the time it was in the NSMB slump despite being better.

>>57065651
On that note, Pokemon and Mario are kind of the same, a bad game for both is still a great game to play. You're probably going to pull up your "standards" angle but look at what you're saying
>look at the buggy mess that was Gen 9, of the graphics of PLA and Gen 8/9, that the only polished game of the bunch is another fucking Kanto remake, etc.
You're not even talking about the game itself. You're getting hung up on graphics while giving praise to the worst game of the lot that came out this gen given it's a remake of Gen 1 that's woefully beaten by it's gen 3 predecessor in almost every regard, the only one being the physical special split.
Hell the game only has 153 pokemon and no additional areas.
FRLG had 386 pokemon and an island adventure post game with team rocket epilogue not to mention trainer hill for replayability.
If you want to talk about standards make sure you actually have them and understand what it means for a game to be good because at the end of the day graphics and lack of glitches doesn't change what the game is, which is one of the major issues with AAA gaming, they only improve graphics while the actual games don't do anything that the previous ones haven't.
I coult tear into your ridiculous values all day but I actually have something I need to do before it gets too late in the day, point is you have no standards, they've all been rotted away over the years.

>>57065811
The real kicker is that the whole
>PERFORMANCE IS ALL!
mentality exists only in the younger generation since that's all advertising for gaming is nowadays before it was all
>THERE'S HUNDREDS OF NEW POKEMON TO SEE IN THE NEW GAME!
>MEGA MAN CAN NOW COMBINE WITH RUSH GIVING HIM NEW AERIAL ABILITIES
>SONIC HAS A NEW POWER, THE SPIN DASH GO FROM ZERO TO 100 IN NO TIME
But now it's just
>play the same game again in 4k
>we used all this power to simulate a realistic horse scrotum
What do these things add to the game? Nothing, but kids are absolutely crazy for it.

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>>57065906
You're absolutely right. Bigger fun is more important than bigger graphics.

>>57065414
Copyright or patent whatever you call it doesnt change the fundemental thing I take issue with. We're actively seeing gameplay being restricted because somebody called dibs on an idea. I don't care about the details or justification of the law when I can see the law having a visibly negative impact on a situation.

>>57056033
>Now that Palworld has the backing of Sony officially, it would be the first time that the accused party in a legal case started by Nintendo would have the financial means to fight back unlike previous instances involving emulators, hacked hardware and other instances that could in Nintendo's eyes come at their expense.
Honestly just by sheer principle and the future morality of game patents do I want Nintendo to lose this one, as it can become a future problem if Nintendo wins the patent over a simple mechanic such as throwing a sphere-like object to release a creature. What stops them from claiming more patents to then systematically dig their way through more and more competitors?

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>>57065651
>We reviewbombed your game, stop buying it! you are not supposed to buy it! Sales are a worse metric than reviews made by people who didn't even play the game to begin with! STOP ENJOYING THINGS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>57066480
>We're actively seeing gameplay being restricted because somebody called dibs on an idea
Which is wrong. Since you're under the impression that copyright and patents are the same you're essentially making up a reason to be mad.
Anyway, if it were copyright then you'd have a reason to be mad because that pertains to creative ideas and concepts. With patents it's just how it's done, so two games could have a throwing mechanic that functions differently not only adding variety but also potentially improving upon mechanics.

>when I can see the law having a visibly negative impact on a situation.
You can't.
You don't understand it on a fundamental level so you can't understand any potential impact all you can do is spew meaning jargon while frothing in anger.

>>57066508
>What stops them from claiming more patents to then systematically dig their way through more and more competitors?
The fact that everyone else knows how patents work?
This is far from the first patent case in video games, any precedent you think would be set here has already been set so Nintendo winning wouldn't change anything.
In the unlikely event that pocket pair win then we would have major ramifications leading to the stagnation of the industry as major and indie developers copy their style of development aka stealing mechanics and styles and frankensteining them together.

>>57067002
If the patent was on the actual code itself then that would be fine since patents on mechanical components on inventions is understandable. The mechanical components of a video game would be the code itself, not on the concept of throwing stuff and catching with a ball.

You are getting too caught up on the specific language and trying to be correct than actually looking at the practical components of the situation.

>>57067034
>The mechanical components of a video game would be the code itself,
No. That's not how it works at all.
That's like attempting to patent metal for a new engine design and not how it actually functions. Not to mention code is covered by copyright, it's a creative work, not all code is written the same way.
Again, you don't understand any of this so your solutions are considerably worse and far more restrictive than anything you believe we have now.

>You are getting too caught up on the specific language
Yes because believe it or not words have different meanings. Acting as if they're all the same doesn't mean that they are.
>actually looking at the practical components of the situation.
Which you can't see because you don't understand any of this. You lack critical information that I'm giving to you but instead of learning you're sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming.

>>57067034
>If the patent was on the actual code itself then that would be fine
You absolute fucking retard. If the patent was on code they wouldn't be patenting the mechanic, they would be patenting the act of coding in that language.

>>57067207
I'll admit that you have told me things I didn't know, but your explinations havent actually fundementally addressed the actual problem I have. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your arguing in good faith here and try to explain the conversation from my point of view.

Me: this copyright seems like bullshit that is gonna make things harder for game developers
You: its not a copyright its a patent
Me: thats not really addressing the core problem I have which is that this seems like it will do more harm than good for game developers
You: you used the wrong word nothing else you said matters
Me: that doesnt seem relevant to my broader point
You: your just being a whiner now why arent you learning

Hope that clears up where I'm coming from

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>>57068296
You make an interesting and valid point but consider this:
>your

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TODAY I REMIND THEM

>>57068296
NTA but this is actually what's happening here
>Me: this copyright seems like bullshit that is gonna make things harder for game developers
>You: its not a copyright its a patent they're two different things with two different uses with patents only covering one specific way of doing something not an entire idea like copyright
>Me: thats not really addressing the core problem I have which is that this seems like it will do more harm than good for game developers
>You: because it's a patent it doesn't really get in the way of developers at all, it doesn't function like a copyright at all
>Me: that doesnt seem relevant to my broader point
>You: your argument doesn't make any sense because you've mixed the two up you're only upset about this because you've fabricated a reason to be upset

>>57069291
I'll never understand what goes through the heads of people posting this. I mean, other than the animal inspiration these designs are entirely different.

>>57067034
>You are getting too caught up on the specific language and trying to be correct than actually looking at the practical components of the situation.
Mighty hypocritical of you anon.

I swear to god I don't think I've ever met a Palworld fan who isn't an absolute contrarian towards Pokemon.

>>57070123
Really? I've never met a Palworld fan who isn't also a Pokemon fan.
Ive also never met a Palworld fan that isn't a coomer.

>>57069291
I hate this retarded image because it's b8 made by someone who did not even play Dragon Quest. If they did they would have put in the rage inducing exploding rock guys that blatantly inspired Graveler.

>>57069634
There has to be some misunderstanding between us. Cause your saying that it being a patent means its not interfering with devs, but we actively see evidence of it interfering with devs through the fact that they've already had to update their game because of it. Your statement conflicts with the reality that we're witnessing.

>>57070301
>but we actively see evidence of it interfering with devs through the fact that they've already had to update their game because of it.
That's the thing, that wasn't caused because they couldn't use the idea of ball based capture systems, that was caused by a developer actively stealing the function of someone else's version of the idea.
That's not actively interfering since they could have just made their own version of copy and pasted it from craftopia since that doesn't work in the same way.

The underlying problem here is that you aren't thinking like a creator, you're thinking like a corporate tool.

>>57070301
That's like saying a brick wall in your running path is interfering with it because you thought it didn't exist and slammed right into it despite being there for years.
You shouldn't be making excuses for pocketpair when they created their own problem and had more than enough time to rectify it.

>>57070356
Our disagreement lies in where the line of what counts as stealing and what doesn't should be drawn. Because from what I've seen so far the line currently seems arbitrary and the current patent in disucssion has too broad a definition to not be harmful. To be clear I don't feel that patents are wrong, but that this particular patent is bad. So far we've had a pretty reasonable discussion though so I'm open to listening to arguements in favor of the patent being fair.

>>57070402
A counter to that metaphor would be more like somebody building a wall in somebody else's running path. But also metaphors can be twisted in turned in any way the speaker wants them to be. I honestly don't even like pocketpair I didnt buy palworld because I didnt trust them as a company. But wrong being done to a jackass doesn't stop it from being wrong.

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I dont know what the fuck you guys are arguing about anymore at this point I just want to tongue kiss that noodle

>>57070583
It's a nintendo shill who defends his multi-billion dollar company vs. someone who does not fap to pals even though we've got new waifus.

What is it about Palworld that makes pokechuds seethe so much? Is it envy?

>One of the hottest game in 2024
>1.1 million downloads on Xbox alone
>Twice that many downloads on Steam
>An actual unironic Pokemon killer which will undeniably kill Pokemon for good
>A whole army of intelligent gamers playing that great game

It is clear that Palworld is on the rise. far faster than your stupid new Pokemon Scat and Vomit game ever will be.

>More than half of gamers embrace Palworld more than Pokemon

Clearly the people have spoken. and they have spoken for Palworld.

To add more salt in the wounds of the salty /vp/ chuds… did Palworld just BTFO all of Gamefreak's new Pokemon games?

>Way better graphics than modern Pokemon
>No glitches and shit performance unlike Pokemon Scat and Vomit
>Way more creatures than modern Pokemon (nice dexit btw)
>Actual difficulty in the game
>nice open world unlike in Pokeshit
>No woke bullshit and forced diversity in Palworld, unlike modern Pokemon
>The character in the game actually have personality and look way more attractive than the disgusting character in Pokemon Scat and Vomit
>Has an actual interesting story that adults can enjoy, unlike the shitty story in Pokemon Scat and Vomit
How do (You) refute all these arguments? The game literally has more good features than your shitty pokemon game
>inb4 sage
>inb4 people bring up whataboutism about muh "other pokemon killer that failed like Yokai Watch" or some dumb shit
>inb4 Pokemon shills will falseflag pretenting to hate modern pokemon and then will say they hate palworld like a disingenuous fag
>inb4 someone says Pokemon good because nostalgia or some dumb shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOatviGVCTs
Actually refute the arguments... I'll wait.

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>>57070819
I'm literally on palworlds side but you are so overhyping it. we're not "btfoing pokemon" because pokemon has way too much overall brand recognition and years of history. it's simply a reasonably competing niche

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>>57071367
I do have to hand it to them they actually did well to capitalise on the momentum they got. instead of leaving their game to die after it blows up for month they kept attention with things like the animations they post to youtube or the meme april fools trailer, plushies, sony pairing, and they get some players coming back with things like the twitch watching rewards pal skins, updates, bugfixes, and the planned TERRARIA COLLABORATION. their marketing team absolutely knows what they're doing to keep it afloat, it isn't as huge as at launch but they clearly know how to ride off momentum and make it not get forgotten

>>57070489
>counter to that metaphor would be more like somebody building a wall in somebody else's running path
It's an analogy and that would imply that the wall was put there after the running path was made but everyone knows that these patents were not only filed 3 years before Palworld released and that Palworld didn't originally have a capture mechanic if the original trailer is anything to go by but palworld also restarted development in that time.
Do you see how your version of the analogy doesn't adhere to what we know?

>I honestly don't even like pocketpair I didnt buy palworld because I didnt trust them as a company
Then why defend them? No matter how you spin it they're in the wrong here and it doesn't just apply to palworld but all of their games following the same philosophy of stealing from what's popular to hodgepodge together. It was only matter of time before they were sued for it and Nintendo just so happened to be the one they landed on. Keep in mind that this doesn't mean that you're siding with Nintendo or TPC, it's just speaking objectively.
You clearly have some kind of emotional investment here.

>>57070819
>>Way more creatures than modern Pokemon (nice dexit btw)
Since when was 150+ with recolors included more than 400+ without recolors? Hell SV post dlc has the most mon of any game to date again, not including recolors.

>>57070819
>No glitches and shit performance unlike Pokemon Scat and Vomit
Okay I like Palworld more but we don't have to...like, lie lmao.

>>57070819
>An actual unironic Pokemon killer which will undeniably kill Pokemon for good
Not in your lifetime, nor the future one. But it will establish it's niche for sure.
Just like >>57071422 said: they rode the wave perfectly. I don't believe Palworld will kill Pokémon, but it highlighted how the lack of innovation has hurt the franchise more than protecting it. Many already know the Pokémon formula: 8 gyms, one location based on the real world, diverse trainers with a simple story.
While they attempted to change (see gen 5 and 7), in the end they locked themselves in this formula. Hell, there's no more spin offs, only remasters. When Palworld came out, sure it was "lel I am slaving Pokémon" meme, but people saw the animations, how they helped you, how they protected you. They aren't glorified stickers you collect in a PC.

The main Pokémon problem is to try and improvise their formula. Hell, now we have open world Pokémon with guns, I wonder how long will it take until someone releases Pokémon: Farm/Management Simulator.

>>57071627

>When Palworld came out, sure it was "lel I am slaving Pokémon" meme
Anon, that's still what it is. That's why once the novelty of it and the guns wore off the amount of players dropped incredibly hard since there's no actual substance to the game, especially after you achieve automation, and very little monsters to catch despite the size of the world making it a very repetitive game if you decide to travel the locales.
On top of that it didn't really bring anything new to the table, it was just Ark with a fakemon skin. And let's be honest, unlike other games in the monster tamer genre you can't really make your Pals unique you can just sort of change the skins for a handful of them and that's it. They are glorified stickers in the most accurate sense.
That's why despite all of the hullabaloo it's not establishing a niche, it's just constantly being compared to pokemon by it's fanbase rather than standing on the merits it doesn't have.

>I wonder how long will it take until someone releases Pokémon: Farm/Management Simulator
Gamefreak already did that themselves with the pokepelago and I think Pokemon Quest?

>>57071443
The thing about analogies and metaphors is that they will never translate 1 to 1 so they can always be argued about.

And I've already explained. I see a developer being forced to alter gameplay of their game for what I feel is a bullshit reason and that it will set a bad precedent in the industry. My emotional investment is what this means for games as a whole, the actual companies involved mean nothing in my opinion of it. Hell, I LOVE nintendo and think the palworld guys are kinda scummy. But my feelings on the parties involved don't change what I think of the event.

>>57071730
>that they will never translate 1 to 1
They do if you know what you're talking about.
>I see a developer being forced to alter gameplay of their game
Yes, because they stole it. They created their own problem because they chose not to create of their own accord.
They made a path with a wall in the way and ran into it, they didn't die the first three times so they figured a fourth wouldn't do any harm.
>for what I feel is a bullshit reason
You can call it a bullshit reason all you want but there's a reason why developers rarely ever encounter an issue with a patent because it's exceedingly difficult to implement the same idea in the same way mechanically especially if you're trying to be creative. You have to intentionally copy a mechanic to be caught by a patent which is also why patent trolls are almost always unsuccessful.
>and that it will set a bad precedent in the industry
It can't set a precedent, that's just how patents work. If Nintendo wins then absolutely nothing changes with the industry and it just continues without issue like all of the other successful patent suits.
I think someone earlier in the thread mentioned one with Koei and Capcom and, obviously, it did nothing.
Losing a patent case like this however is what will set an awful precedent since everyone in the industry will know the exact limit before copying becomes plagiarism and that's obviously an issue especially for the consumer as innovation will slow down if not cease as more and more developers choose to copy to save on both time and resources leading to stagnation in the industry across the board.

>>57071730
>Hell, I LOVE nintendo
And I don't understand why you people even bother saying things like this as if how you feel is relevant in a conversation about facts. If anything it only highlights how irrational you actually are since you supposedly love the company with all your heart but not enough to understand what's happening.

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>>57057197
>pic
This one is a stretch.

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TheyThembros, why didn't we succeed like the palworldchinks did? It ain't fair...

>>57071884
>somebody asks me why am I emotionally attached to defending palworld
>say I'm not I actually like Nintendo my choice to defend palworld is seperate from my feelings
>"why are you talking about your feelings they shouldnt matter on the facts!"

Congrats, your absolute dogshit levels of reading comprehension have caused me to rage.

>>57056035
>but who knows until they drop the new updat
December 23rd

>>57071988
it's exactly the same face
the same proportions
the same numbers of fucking teeth

>>57072305
>somebody asks me why am I emotionally attached to defending palworld
You weren't asked.
>>57071443
>You clearly have some kind of emotional investment here.
That's not a question.

You're calling out someone else's reading comprehension but can't read yourself leading to this nonsense tangent.

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>>57072040
why did temtem not receive any backlash? or any other forgotten monster tamer games? they're all clearly pokemon inspired yet people want to act like palworld is the evil stealing devil now because the multibillion dollar company with a chokehold monopoly over the genre wanted to be greedy about a fucking ball throw mechanics execution

>>57057213
>Bringing X and Y into this

Opinion discarded

>>57070806
Not like they will even be drawn so it's kinda moot.

>>57071627
>I wonder how long will it take until someone releases Pokémon: Farm/Management Simulator.
Fuck I want this so bad, and a riding game

New major update happening on December 23rd.

Meanwhile where's the next patch update for SV?

>>57074435
Well they are getting shiny rayqauza in raids... I guess.

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>>57072040
Temtem weakest parts were forced online and bland monster designs

>>57055159
this, they were flooding this board like rats and constantly shitposting like bots and they NEVER addressed any arguments, instead always resorting to copy-pasted fail "rebuttals"
you get what you fucking deserve
>>57055182
truth
>>57057490
he's right though, you lost

>>57057075
>is that a humanoid bunny with child-bearing hips,
a completely original concept invented by nintendo that's now being plagiarized?! Save me Yakuza-san I'm going insane!

>>57074488
Don't forget comp mindset

>>57074488
That and it had the exact same gameplay as pokemon which is fucking ass.
Palworld only made it big by ditching Gamefreak's terrible core gameplay. Even Ark-slop is a major improvement than turn based 4 move limit rock-paper-scissors based JRPG combat

>>57073717
1) they didn't steal anything
2) pocket pair have earned the ire of most people prior to palworld by being the gaming equivalent of a YouTube content farm just pumping out games in different genres and not even finishing their game before moving to the next

>>57074639
>Palworld only made it big by ditching Gamefreak's terrible core gameplay.
Anon, palworld only "sold" well because of the novelty of pokemon with guns, the gameplay itself is abysmal and requires next to nothing from the player. You're saying turn based jrpgs are bad but look at how uninvolved, you can even literally automate the majority of the game.

>>57074678
Anon, you can get as mad as you want at Palworld. It succeeded where others failed because it was the first one to not copy Gamefreak's awful formula.

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>>57055044
They have learned the lesson so many before did.
Don't poke the 'mon.

>>57074683
Bold of you to assume that stating a fact means that someone is mad but regardless of what you want to believe the "success" of Palworld can only be attributed to the pokemon like designs. After all that's the only thing that really links it to pokemon to allow it to ride it's coattails. Why do you think it was constantly being compared to pokemon despite Palworld's archaic gameplay existing in a wholly different genre?

>>57074912
idk why you're getting so upset over Palworld being smart enough to not copy the worst part of pokemon, the gameplay

>>57074922
There you go again.
I suppose it's on me for expecting a higher level of thought from a palworld fan.

>>57074934
you argue like a woman or a fedora tipper. I hope one day you grow past this phase

>>57074639
>Even Ark-slop is a major improvement than turn based 4 move limit rock-paper-scissors based JRPG combat
Isn't that just saying you like games made for retards? Because Palworld is the definition of rooty tooty point and shooty while your Pals auto attack.
Kind of like Spectrobes but shittier.

>>57074951
Again it's not Pokemon's awful gameplay which is why it succeeded. Nobody actually thinks Gamefreaks' gameplay is good which is why TheyThem and all the other pokeclones flopped while a literal soulless chink AI-slop ark clone succeeded.

>>57074965
Of course it's the gameplay gen 1 didn't exactly have much else than that. Even now it's one of if not the best tamer series as a game especially since it doesn't really waste your time in obtaining the monsters.

>>57074970
if you are aware gamefreaks' gameplay is ass then why are you mad that even Ark is better lol

>>57074982
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it.

>>57074987
>anon admits he likes the abysmal pokemon gameplay that requires next to nothing from the player
No wonder you hate Palworld. Even Ark gameplay is too hard for you lol!

>>57074965
>Nobody actually thinks Gamefreaks' gameplay is good
No one thinks it's bad other than you mind you.

>>57074516
>you get what you fucking deserve

Most of the ones I saw were just trolling around to mock Pokefags, and yes, they can be quite irritating, but I think there's a line between getting annoyed and feeling a bit a of schadenfreude over the whole lawsuit situation, to sending letters to Nintendo to sue Pocketpair, faking evidence of plagiarization and believing randos on twitter saying they have dirt on the company and taking it as gospel.

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>>57074633
>comp mindset
Disgusting.

>>57074678
>you can even literally automate the majority of the game.

To be fair, that's mostly late game stuff. If you're not familiar with survival games it can be quite a challenge depending of the settings if you're playing on multiplayer. You'll be constantly starving and be low on resources until you start breeding/capturing Pals that can actually do multiple tasks AND have a decent level amount those works skills.

That's why I usually prioritize base optimization before actively trying to clear all the other stuff.

>>57074678
>base building and automation is a bad thing
Do Pal-less chuds really think this? The tendie brain can't fathom the thinking man's game, it seems

>>57075065
I'm going to tell you a secret, a lot of people going
>PLS SUE!
>I'M SENDING NINTENDO EMAILS
are the same people using Palworld to violently shitpost in the first place to get "evidence" to continue to post and say how pathetic pokemon fans are.
That's also why you have images and posts like this directed at pokemon fans >>57064837 >>57069291 but never the other way around despite their claims of pokemon fans being seething with rage and obsessed with Palworld and that's not for lack of material either. It's just not worth the time and effort to shitpost back

As for this
>and feeling a bit a of schadenfreude over the whole lawsuit situation
It's not just this situation, it's that it happened to a company genuinely deserving of it. Before Palworld no one really looked at Pocket Pair favourably since they never finished games and just stole ideas from everyone else and openly admitting that they are only in this industry for a quick buck rather than being actually passionate about it.
But that changed of course when they decided to copy a Nintendo game since, you know, Nintendo derangement syndrome is a real thing.

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>>57074626
>we just happen to have the same proportions, the same head , the same arms, the same pants. It's just my style anon move on, nothing weird going on here

>>57075184
There are no counter memes because everyone with a functional brain knows Gamefreak are hypocrites and deserve the shame Palworld gave them.
Also
>n-nobody actually begged nintendo to sue!
lol

>>57075207
They aren't the same tho. unless you're actually claiming Gamefreak invented standing on two legs and having normal length ratios which honestly knowing how pathetic gamefreak fanboys are I wouldn't be surprised

>>57075218
post a bunny that looks similar to cinderace then

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_0U7-7hRA

It is that time of the year where we point out which of these news pals are a blatant rip-off.

>>57075210
Case in point.

>>57075218
Why am I not surprised that you Palfags think that GF invented rabbits.

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>>57075218
So hang on, you're saying that Palworld fanboys have never heard of Bugs Bunny and that all anthropomorphic rabbits have the exact same proportions as Cinderace?

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>>57075184
So you're telling me that deranged Pokefags didn't emails to TPC? Maybe all those people saying they did didn't actually do it, but I'm assuming a substancial amount of them did since TPC published a statement about it.

But that's just regarding the email part, I also highly doubt that the guy who was tinkering with the models to show as evidence of Pocketpair stealing the Pokemon models or the Japanese "insider" exposing dirt on Pocketpair are actually Palworld fans in disguise.

>>57075255
>>57075250
This board is full of retards who can't read.

>>57075184
Also, to address the second part of your post. You could argue that Gamefreak stole ideas from Megaman and Sonic for Pulseman or some aspects of SMT and Ultraman for Pokemon, but to me as long as there's a twist to the concept, I'm ok with.

Pocket Pair might be a lazy fuck that wants to make parody games for a buck, but as long as the games are fun to play and don't actually violate copyright infringements, I'm fine with it, but I'd personally prefer if they actually did an original game. If there's something I'd really criticize them for is having so many games in early access.

>>57075244
Just from that image I see Zebstrika, Zoroark, Spectrier, and a cross between Tyranitar and Rampardos.

>>57075283
>So you're telling me that deranged Pokefags didn't emails to TPC
Consider the, the controversy about Vivian regarding the whole trans line in the western version of the TTYD remake was far larger than anything yup come out of Palworld until the lawsuit and actually affected the sales of the game.
No response was actually given, despite actual rallying to spam Nintendo's various emails and accounts.

Now, do you think that a group of people going
>ha, palworld just copied the designs, how lazy
Would put in more effort than a group of actually disgruntled fans to the extent endure the company actually responds?

>I also highly doubt that the guy who was tinkering with the models to show as evidence of Pocketpair stealing the Pokemon models
Of course he wasn't but he's also not doing it to defend pokemon. He was showing the similarities between their models but of course you had the palworld fans raging out of control for suggesting such a thing, to the point where they were screeching that he edited the models which of course didn't happen. Scaling something up or down proportionately doesn't edit the model.

There's a lot of instances like that, like the community manager for Palworld basically raging like a madman making this post on twitter with most of the replies being
>THOSE DARN NINTENDO FANS LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO OUR BOY!
While Nintendo fans are just absent as they usually are since they don't care about drama and fanboy nonsense.
They have to fabricate an enemy to justify their hatred and give them a defence for clearly scummy developers.

>the Japanese "insider" exposing dirt on Pocketpair are actually Palworld fans in disguise.
Fun fact, the "insider" was just a random guy with underlying mental issues "discovered" by palworld fans.
And I say discovered because they fabricated posts that don't actually exist.

Enough is enough. Nintendo has done too much damage to the industry at this point
It's time for them to pay for what they've done to the people and hard working devs such as Pocketpair

>>57075393
What do you propose?

>>57057075
>Nintendo invented bipedal bunnies

>>57075397
Nintendo groveling publicly for and begging profusely for forgiveness from the rest of the world would be a good start

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>>57075325
>You could argue that Gamefreak stole ideas from Megaman and Sonic for Pulseman or some aspects of SMT and Ultraman for Pokemon,
No, not at all.
Design wise Pulseman doesn't resemble Megaman in the slightest, well, maybe the Megaman 11 design but of course that released 24 or so years after.
And as a game it doesn't resemble Sonic, the closest thing is probably how the volteccer bounces you around and that's a loose connection at best.

As for SMT and Ultraman, that's also a big no unless you're trying to say that Ultraseven came up with the idea of beast taming. Sure you could go with the idea of capsules but the ones in Ultraseven don't resemble gachapon capsules.
So yeah, there's only a vague thematic connection there and nothing that can be considered theft like a design that resembles something so closely that it can't be coincidence or a mechanic copied near exactly.
>but as long as the games are fun to play and don't actually violate copyright infringements
The problem is that their games are strictly inferior to what they're copying and that isn't changing based on the Hollow Nobeta demo and they're currently infringing on a patent.

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>>57075351
And I didn't realise I forgot the image for this post.

>>57070178
My favorite thing about the image was that it was made by a Yokai Watch fan who got butthurt over people making fun of all the Jibanyan recolors. And it regains traction every time a new #PokemonKiller drops.

>>57075325
>You could argue that Gamefreak stole ideas from Megaman and Sonic for Pulseman
You could try but you wouldn't be able to convince anyone. I mean compare this >>57057075 which has almost the exact same proportions and details as Cinderace with very minor changes to this, and apparently the only side by side on Google is this.
Pulseman and Megaman have completely different features and proportions with Pulseman being thinner overall.
Hell, even when it comes to what they are Megaman is a robot while Pulseman is a human/digital lifeform hybrid.

>>57075325
>You could argue that Gamefreak stole ideas from Megaman and Sonic for Pulsema

Except Megaman itself is derived from Astro Boy and Ishinomori's conventions, so really you're crediting something already derivative as the original.

>>57075437
>it was made by a Yokai Watch fan who got butthurt over people making fun of all the Jibanyan recolors.
Anon, the image didn't exist before this year. It was made because everyone was laughing at Palworld.

>>57075401
Don't act dumber than you really are.

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>>57075470
Well then a very similar image was passed around during YW.

>>57075351
>No response was actually given, despite actual rallying to spam Nintendo's various emails and accounts.

I'm not aware of that controversy since I don't follow Mario games, but keep in mind that the ones that put the statement on the inquiries was TPC itself and not Nintendo.

>Of course he wasn't but he's also not doing it to defend pokemon.

Oh, I know he didn't do it to defend it. He explicitly stated that he just hated Palworld for being edgy.

>There's a lot of instances like that, like the community manager for Palworld basically raging like a madman making this post on twitter with most of the replies being THOSE DARN NINTENDO FANS LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO OUR BOY!

I follow Bucky on Twitter and besides one or two tweets giving the impression he's fed up with baseless criticism and the gaming media saying shit he didn't say on articles, I don't really seen him being a deranged Nintendo hater. His mad tweets comes up more as the famous "if you don't like, don't buy it" kind of situation.

>Fun fact, the "insider" was just a random guy with underlying mental issues "discovered" by palworld fans.

I know he was a rando, but to be completely honest, it wasn't the Palfags who discovered him. I first saw the tweets being retweeted by Pokemon fans that I know and people who hated Palworld saying this was the smoking gun to expose Pocket Pair as a bad company, later the Palfags did more digging on the account and found out the guy had mental issues.

>>57075423
>No, not at all.

I know, I meant to said if you only look at it on the surface, that's the impression you'd get.

>The problem is that their games are strictly inferior to what they're copying

Well, that's a matter of taste I suppose. I don't see it as neither inferior or superior.

>and they're currently infringing on a patent.

Yeah, that's why I specifically said copyright.

>>57075516
>I don't really seen him being a deranged Nintendo hater.
Dude, that's not what he said. He said that bucky went on a rant and the REPLIES were blaming imaginary tendies.

>>57075347
Yes. That'd be 0$ plus tip.

>>57075623
I misread it, my bad. Still, even though Bucky has a few tweets ranting, he's usually pretty chill from what I've seen.

Also my it might be late to point it out, but I'm not trying to be antagonistic to neither side of the fans. It's not a le Pokefags good, le Palfags bad kind of scenario. It's more nuance situation than Pokefags charging at a paper tiger or the Palfags fighting imaginary enemies in a corner.

Honestly, if they cant swing the shitty patent they should just make it on brand and create a Palgun from where you shoot Palbullets into enemies that both hurt them and summons your Pal. And of course you shoot a Palbullet to catch a Pal, reloading the gun calls the Pals you released.

You are not throwing the capsules anymore, you are shooting them with a device, this should go around the shtity patent.

>>57075516
>but keep in mind that the ones that put the statement on the inquiries was TPC itself and not Nintendo.
Doesn't really matter at the end of the day since it was a considerably larger controversy while Palworld was more joking around that the palworld fanbase got defensive over to the point where people had to preface their posts with a variation of
>I don't hate Palworld but this is funny to me
Not that it helped since you would still get hounded by Palworld fans.

>He explicitly stated that he just hated Palworld for being edgy.
Yeah, but being morally against someone copying like that doesn't necessarily mean you're supporting the thing it's copying. It just means you're against plagiarism.

>I don't really seen him being a deranged Nintendo hate
I never said he was, I said he was raging like a madman which, yeah, he was. I mean, there's practically no one saying the things he mentioned here >>57075430 especially on twitter where the ravenous palworld fans will dox you and hunt you down just because you said you don't want to fuck the blue noodle.

>I first saw the tweets being retweeted by Pokemon fans that I know and people who hated Palworld saying this was the smoking gun to expose Pocket Pair as a bad company
You don't get it, the tweets the random person made didn't exist. Ever. Someone just picked him at random and edited his tweets with inspect element so they could make the claim that pokemon fans were going so far as to fake it which, of course makes no sense to do, the minute anyone searched for his tweets they would know it's fake and that's the first thing most people tend to do. It doesn't even require any real digging.
Then there's the fact that it was spread predominantly by people singing the praises of Palworld to shit on pokemon.

>>57075516
>I meant to said if you only look at it on the surface
Problem is, on a surface level it's just basic concepts tying them together like
Megaman, Pulseman and Sonic are all boys.
SMT, Ultraseven and Pokemon are about monster party members and so on and at that point it's just stupid to say it's stealing.

>that's a matter of taste I suppose
Eh, to an extent and it's limited almost entirely to just the visuals. The quality of a game can be analysed on an objective level. Especially with a monster tamer that has a focus on exploration, Palworld doesn't really match the heights of other tamers released this gen in that regard since there's not much to find in the world and there's not enough unique Pals for the size of the world.

>that's why I specifically said copyright.
At the end of the day infringement is infringement, both patent and copyright infringement means that they stole an idea but patent infringement is significantly worse due to how it's near impossible to something the exact same way.

Gamefreak are disgusting scumbags only concerned with keeping their corrupt monopoly intact.

>>57075766
lol

>>57075244
>Epasthra
>Meowscarada
>Zoroark
>Spectrier
>Zebstrika
>Elekid
off that image

>>57075766
They should just license off the work to any developer who's willing to make a quality derivative game. That way they can increase their revenues and branch out to PCs and consoles without losing focus on the core franchise.

Millions of people playing PokéMMO and Palworld means millions of paying customers lost to Nintendo.

>>57075244
Imagine making dlc for your game before you even finish it.

>>57075979
>Millions of people playing PokéMMO and Palworld means millions of paying customers lost to Nintendo.
Bold of you to assume that they aren't playing both and that there's actually millions.

>>57075315
Actually I think it's they don't Want to read.a
They just want to screech.

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Feels good to admit that I've never paid to play a Nintendo game at any point in my life.
Especially the ones these slant-eyed jews never released in the west.

>>57075244
I like the old man fighting his pal, and both respect so much they become battle brothers.
Also, the new pals look funny.
>Sneasler's Cooler cousin
>Gothielle if goth maid instead of goth girl
>Astorias from Hazbin Hotel but penguin
>Glorious ping rifle

It may look fun. Time to visit lite Skyrim.

>>57075980
>Imagine making dlc for your game before you even finish it

Remember Pocketpair is an Early Access scam company. They probably won't even finish Palworkd despite getting the money to do so.

pokefags are pathetic lmao they are the only give a shit palwrold because they know its better than the modern pokeshit franchise, same happened to yokai watch i cant wait for roco kingdom, the new monster collection game for hoyo game and azur promillia all already look better than pokeshit and when palworld air its anime is when pokemon is going to die

>>57075315
They're making fun of you anon.
To say that there's no similarity just because they're rabbits despite the similar proportions would mean that YOU believe that GF made it since you've never seen any anthropomorphic rabbits to know that you can in fact have different designs for the same idea.

No wonder you people enjoy Palworld.

>>57076091
So you're a jew?

>>57064336
>They only have 1 game under their belt that's complete.

Supposedly their finished game actually still buggy. Seems they just arbitrarily set it to complete when they abandoned it.

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this fat pig bastard lost. good.
i hope his balls explode.

>>57076382
He looks like somebody took a sapi plate, and smack his face with it.

>>57076382
Who is this guy?

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So when is Gamefreak going to bend the knee?

>>57076830
Slowpoke >>57069291

>>57076839
Oh, I didn't notice it. Weird how that post didn't get many replies. I guess the gamefreak fanboys were too scared to reply

>>57076850
>baitpost didn't get many replies. Can I rail people up to get some?
You can try.

>>57075244
Looks more fun than the entirety of SV's two dlc's

>>57076860
>baitpost
It may be bait but it's also true. If the Palworld designs are copying Gamefreaking despite having different proportions and themes then Gamefreak has been plagiarizing others all along as well.
But the fanboys have double standards as always so obviously they call it bait and look the other way

>>57069291
>>57076830
Gamefreak, masters of committing plagiarization and getting away with it

Too cocky Palbros...
We got way too cocky...

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>>57076906
>despite having different proportions and themes
And that's the problem, they don't, half the time they don't even change the color schemes.
It looking here >>57076830 all of them have different proportions, themes, color schemes, none are similar in the slightest other than features that belong to the creature that inspired them.
You can't say the same about Verdash and Cinderace or that luxray looking one. Hell Dinossom just has Meganium's face outright.
You can call it "double standards" all you want but it won't change anything especially since you don't have DQ fans raging at pokemon like palworld fans do.

>>57077295
But I can. Palworld's designs are no less plagiarized than Gamefreak's own. The differences and similarities are within the same scope.
I even agree that Palworld took heavy inspiration here and there, but if palworld's inspiration is plagiarism then so is gamefreak's. The only difference is that gamefreak fanboys are like nintendo fanboys but dialled to 11. They don't want to accept that their beloved game franchise is cheap trash

>>57077295
Copium post

>>57055044
Nintendo must have them shook

>>57064181
Holy console war brainrot

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>>57077326
>The differences and similarities are within the same scope.
Thing is, you'd be able to actually argue your point if that were the case. Instead you're just stating your point without elaborating.
>but if palworld's inspiration is plagiarism then so is gamefreak's.
No.
Being inspired by the same animal isn't plagiarism, neither company created or own the animal conceptually but they managed to make two unique designs.
In the case of Palworld instead of picking a real world animal and making a unique based on it, they took a pokemon and added minor details.
>The only difference is that gamefreak fanboys are like nintendo fanboys but dialled to 11
That would imply they keep to themselves and you wouldn't be wrong give every palworld thread, here, there or everywhere ultimately evolves into shitting on pokemon due to both the lack of meaningful content, characters or lore to discuss and the fact that they know that the game will never escape Pokemon's shadow as long as it continues to copy from it.
>They don't want to accept that their beloved game franchise is cheap trash
Let's be honest if pokemon were a trash game series you wouldn't be here right now.
Think about it, you're livid about pokemon right now but people don't get angry over bad game series they laugh at them, just look at concord, tlou 2, dustborne, suicide squad. They're the butt of the joke.
But here, you're not doing that. You're clenching your teeth trying your hardest to convince people it's bad but you can't even do that since you can't compare the two, if you do, you just give people the opportunity to correct you or laugh at Palworld more.

Anyway, point is, your only winning move is to just not reply.

>>57077686
>give
God I can't type with this new phone at all. Then again that's why I switched to phone posting 4chan is a good opportunity to practice.

>>57075244
Based, fuck Game Freak

>>57075244
Watching this just Makes me genuinely perplexed as to why people like Palworld.

>>57077686
>if that were the case
They are the case. Just look at the image.

>>57077737
The image that proves you wrong? The most similar designs between DQ and Pokemon are the clams.

>>57077768
If that's what you have to tell yourself. Then it looks like we agree the only similar design between Palworld and Pokemon are the wolves

just changing it from a sphere into a different object seems to negate the patent claim
but fuck nintendo

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>>57074666
>b-but palworld stole so many things
like what? a ball throwing mechanic? a few inspired design twists? it's got some similar things sure but I don't see how that's a problem, there's garbage aislop fake pokemon games that use literal pokemon images in their promotional material in the google play store. THAT is stealing.

temtem copies the core gameplay like battles more closely, and copies the 3 starter pokemon with evolutions thing. it took me literally a minute of research to see that.
nintendo only cared for palworld because they got big and saw a threat of competition

>>57078629
inb4 crying about stolen models, which is something not even TPC saw as a reason to take them to court over

>>57078629
>THAT is stealing.
Both are stealing, you don't get to decide that one isn't just because you like it.
>temtem copies the core gameplay like battles more closely, and copies the 3 starter pokemon with evolutions thing
And no one owns those concepts ergo it isn't theft.

>>57078629
>nintendo only cared for palworld because they got big and saw a threat of competition
Do you want to know why Nintendo really went after them? Same reason why they had to go after all of those rom sites, the Palworld fans wouldn't shut the fuck up and drew attention to themselves thinking it was funny to pretend to be butthurt pokemon fans.

>>57055159
Same.

>>57055159
>Maybe but [AUTISTIC DELUSION]

>>57080276
>[AUTISTIC DELUSION]
>proceeds to prove him right

>>57076295
No, just a sensible human being who doesn't pay for shit that can and should be free.

>>57065386
Why would I read more of their bullshit patent than I needed to?

>>57080794
>not accepting my delusions makes you autistically delusional
Hey Louis this reminds me of that time the leader of Team Plasma glassed half a region then tried begging a child not to kill him.
>"Noooo N if you kill me you'll be just as bad as me!"

>>57075244
>Sneasel + Zoroark + Torracat + Ogerpon Pal
I will now buy your fucking game.