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Any pseudo-leg.You know I am correct.
>>57062019Fearow always felt like such a "this only exists for the NPC characters" pokemon.
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>>57062154Truant is too easy for human opponents to play around but Slaking is still plenty good against AIs. 670BST on an early route pokemon's final evo is insane no matter what you do to nerf it.
>>57062019this is just the bear equivalent of "if kangaskhan's baby had its own dex slot" and is a good case for why the latter is a bad idea.
>>57062019I wanna say the Geodude and zubat line, but I have a golem in hgss and a crobat in emerald
>>57062154Hoenn has a lot of these
>>57063264Anyone with taste has a Crobat where it's available. I just cleaned out my X, OR, and S files and they all had crobats.
>>57063280I try not to (nowadays) use people that are part of my main team in other games. I blame ash
>>57062267Not to mention mid-game Vigoroth is downright monstrous. The Slakoth line is still incredible in spite of the obvious nerfs.
I'm probably underselling him in RGBY, it can get Swords Dance and the special move, plethora platter, Farfetch'd gets the former via level and has a super-effective STAB.>>57063279I suddenly recall that I've never tried Cacturne in a playthrough.
>>57063315Cacture is broken in RSEIf he manages to put speed...
>>57062019If it wasn't meant to be used by the player then it wouldn't be catchable.
>>57063315>I suddenly recall that I've never tried Cacturne in a playthrough.Try it out, you won't be disappointed and it's loads of fun. Mine wrecked house late-game. There's a fun strategy you can do where you stack evasion from Sandstorm with the Lax Incense to become impervious to most attacks and then fire off a nasty FocusPunch and regain lost health with Giga Drain/Leech Seed. But if you want to rely on brute force alone Cacturne has you covered in that department as well, 115 in both attacking stats is incredible. It's just a shame it only gets Destiny Bond and Revenge in FRLG though. I'll never understand why some Hoenn mons got improved movesets in those games but didn't get carried over to Emerald, the game where they're actually made available?
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THING
>>57062019Zubat/Grimer/Koffing in rby
>>57063328>>57063353Great to know. I like messing with it in Battle Towers but I figured the slow frailness would bite it. Those are two sore moves to miss!
>>57062019Raticate at least has some cool signature moves, Ekans/Arbok in comparison always felt like a 100% evil team mon
>>57062019This thing. Literally created at the last minute because they forgot to put any generic fishmons in Bortland. A Pokemon created to check a box and nothing else. It's lucky Gen 8 salvaged the line with Basculegion.
>>57062019tried using it in DP and got stuck in a battle with only kricketot vs kricketot (don't ask how)
>>57062242It's used by very few npcs though. Pidgey is far more common, even being used by the gen 1 rival and gen 2 flying gym leader. You even get one for free in gen 2. It seems like more of a player mon to me
>>57063293This, plus there are so many pokemon it feels like a waste to repeat the same ones over and over when there are a bunch ive never even touched
>>57063567Bide, confusion, poison, or ran out of pp?
>>57063293>>57063591I generally try to go full new generation mons where possible. Maybe that's why even though I'm a genwunner I still like at least one mon from every generation and have plenty of favorites from recent gens. I think it's good to build appreciation for mons you've never used.>>57063280I've never liked Crobat, personally. Completely abandons the Kanto portion of the line's aesthetic, and the triple bucktooth is hideous.
>>57062231TrueMost are either just straight up not catchable pre-elite 4, or they're caught in an obscure place at a way lover level than what the rest of your party is
>>57063594it only has bide and growl, so we started hitting struggle and I barely won. It took like an hour. I would have just turned the game off, but it was after the tunnel and gym (I must have skipped him before) and was rushing. Probably would have been faster to just restart
>only non-legendary ice/flying type in whole series >is completely useless This thing was invented for the anime and post cards. Nothing else
>>57062245See also Spinda and Vivillion, who are basically the same in that they only exist to show off how many varieties there are.>>57063279How the fuck is Milotic not meant to be used? Rare yes, but still an actually good Pokemon.>>57063567He actually has a use-case albeit a limited one. He's there so if you didn't pick Chimchar you can raise him to lvl10 so he evolves and learns fury cutter and use him on Gardenias gym and then box him. So you are supposed to use him, just not past Eternia City.>Luvdisc is only meant for item farming>Hydreigon and Wobufett are weird because their not meant to be used in the main game but ARE meant to be used in PVP etc.But really these type of Pokemon mostly stop appearing around gen4 and by gen7 are completely gone. They realized people want to actually use the Pokemon in the game called Pokemon so now all of them meet a bare threshold of single player usability.
>>57063492My arbok is great. Hadn't used one before but I bought an ekans early on from the gentlemen at the table in Goldenrod game corner and stuck with it. It has a fun moveset and it's great at pokeathlon.
>reee unova*yawn*
might be more of a technicality but ehan event only pokemon functionally exactly the same as the original who's already terrible, except you're not allowed to evolve it or trade it up
He exists to be the final boss and a villain pokemon overall. That's why you can't even obtain him until postgame.
>>57062019>Insanely rare and hard to catch in most of the games it can be caught>Is almost exclusively seen in a none combat role as a side characters supportmon usually Nurse Joy
>>57063543As stupid as this line is, Mystic Water+Adaptabilty go crazy in-gameEven moreso now that you can either go all in on either that, or Reckless Wave Crash- and the Blue Stripe has Rock Head if you hate recoil
>>57063279There's a difference between "player isn't meant to use it" and "hard-to-get".
>>57062019The exceedingly obvious.
>>57063614except goomy
Ledian>>57063769it's even worse with Tyranitar and Metagross
>>57063264Same!Crobat in Platinum and Golem in HGSS. They are awesome
>>57063543I used the blue one in my BW2 playthrough. Surprisingly effective
>>57064085Basically required to have all ground, rock, steel team
>>57062019Dunsparce
>>57062204Zooming little shit, fire as a type sucked massive ass until gen 2. Also blastoise ultimately got outclassed by other gen 1 pokemon like slowbro,cloyster,laparas, vaporeon, starmie,etc. Meanwhile Bulbasaur=Victreebel<Exeggutor and got better with every gen.>>57063779Again zooming little shit. Chansey saved my ass in pokemon stadium 1 and Blissey did the same in 2.>thunderbolt>icebeam>softboiled>t-waveor>seismic toss>toxic>softboiled>reflect>>57062019This is one thing digimon did right, every final stage mon is great and there are monsters that are just enemies, NPCs or bosses. Also the dex isn't shat up by unnecessary pre-evos.
>>57065039>This is one thing digimon did right, every final stage mon is greatno they’re not, some don’t even reach the mega stage>Also the dex isn't shat up by unnecessary pre-evos.thats exactly what babies, intranings and 80% of rookies are tho
>>57065039>replied to the bulbabait postwhy
>>57065065>t, some don’t even reach the mega stageDigimon world three onward, more megas were present.............>>57065065one was still on that ultimates are hard to get tip, and two (albiet a really shit game) was on the ultimates are now plentiful now megas are the rare and exalted tip. >thats exactly what babies, intranings and 80% of rookies are thothat's the thing....there are far less of them than the what pokemon has, which results in less wasted dex space.......For example did we need a regional shitter and bird every game? Or could pidgey/Spearow as well as rattata evolved into all of them?>Did we need pre-evos for jigglypuff, clefairy, and a shit ton of other pokemon that didn't need them?Or could they have all evolved from the same Pokémon?Just a bunch of wasted dex space. We could have had a fully animated game in third gen if useless shitmons weren't added.
>>57065172now show me a single digimon game with all those guys in it. (:
>>57062019>abysmal stats>terrible typing>only found in an obscure patch of grass in the post game, in kanto for some reason
>>57062245Is there even a trainer who uses Unown?
Yoi guys are all faggots with no souls that are bad at games designed for children.
>>57065242stop acting like a fat white womanThis was for the sake of the digital pet and introduction of monsters. In main games dexdorugamon , chaosdramon and gundramon were just enemies. There was a mobile game that had them all though.>>57065920no, gamefreak needs to stop adding useless shit.
>>57065039this chart is exactly why digimon lost.
>>57066082uh no....Stop acting white>half of the late 90's-early 00's games didn't get ported especially the wonderswan ones>world 2 was a piece of shit >direct adaptation of anime didn't get ported>dumbshit uneducated american kids sided with pokemon because it had mon in the name and knew nothing of kaiju/sentai or dragon questpull the diaper out of your asscrack
>>57065905>in kanto for some reasonAll the Slugma originally lived in the bowels of Cinnabar Volcano, but then the eruption shot them out and towards Cycling Road, where they've settled due to the sloped nature of the area that allows them to "rest" but still maintain perpetual movement due to their oozing bodies creeping down the slope.If GS had more data to afford a proper Pokedex split between "Pokemon you can find in Johto" and "Pokemon you can find in Kanto" in order to suit its unique nature as a direct sequel, Slugma and Magcargo would be correctly attributed as Kanto Pokemon.
>>57062019Voltorb line.It is meant to be an annoyance,like a mimic.So it gets no STAB moves by level up but gets Selfdestruct and Explosion and has a stat spread that allows it to almost always strike first but not very hard.>>57062242Spearow is available early,gets stronger moves then Pidgey and evolves earlier.It is a mon that teaches you exploring will give better options.
>>57066190STADIUM! It gave good set up back then.
>>57065980There is less than 1 pokemon introduced per gen that's useless.
>>57066229gen1>pidgeot>wigglytuff>onix>golbat>>poliwrath>seaking>marrowak(before thick club)>Hitmonchan(before split)>seadra>poryon>lickitung>moltresGen2>aipom>unown>delibird>dunsparce>corsola>ledian>sunfloraGen3>luvdiscstfu about heart scales >castform>delcatty>exploud>solrock/lunatone>chimeco
>>57066302Thanks for the list of 25 reasons why you're bad at a game made for kids. I can't even imagine being so retarded that you can't beat any pokemon game with any 6 of those. Or 1.
>>57065917I don't think so.
>>57066314beating the main game isn't the issue, it's beating stadium round two that's the hard part. Stop being a white girl, and playing shitty runs because you can't afford anything else.
>>57066321>stadium 2 is the issue>that's why I brought up gen 3Okay
>>57066321>mad brownieIt all makes sense.
>>57065162Bulbautists can't help themselves, that's why people keep posting the bait.
>>57066082no that chart is sovl
>>57066327coliseum was even more brutal.
>>57066405You're still a dumb retard if you think that's difficult to beat with 6 "shitmons"
>>57066414it's a latios with fkn soul dew in gen3!!!!!!!Tell me how you are getting through all of these with a team of shitmons.
>>57062242Nah, Spearow and Fearow are the bird you're supposed to get as Red to rival your rival's Pidgey.
>>57065039We get it, you weren't there. Quit the tism tantrumNo one gave a fuck. We chose dragon or turtle. No one watched 13 video essays about it or stayed up all night comparing tabs on Bulbapedia, we just chose who was coolest. And the only people who thought down syndrome dog thing was cool, thought it because they saw a bit of themselves.The player was never meant to use Bulbasaur. Go shove IVs in your EV or whatever you fucking nerds do.
>>57066597>we chose dragonSo you admit that you watched other things instead of playing the game for yourself. Sad.
>>57066597Nah, b.........IDK, venusaur was something else, it looked like some strange amalgamation of beasts as opposed to just one concept. Also it looked really beastly in stadium.>down syndrome dog Better than a lizard that dies if the flame on it's tail goes out.
>>57066190>So it gets no STAB moves by level upHow do you explain pic related, then?
>>57065039You’re a retard
Notice its projection that its betters needed jewtube videos, which didn't exist back then. It never lived through Pokemania and never will, so it will never be able to figure out how its betters already knew about Venusaur from word of mouth. That's to be expected from the usual kike shill who tried to pretend it knew what the """genwun""" meta was like and kvetched that it took so long to get """STAB""" despite pretending it """overleveled""" its starter in the first place.
>>57063700>Vivillionvivillon at least has compoundeyes/sleep powder/QD and/or webs sets.
>>57066758Nemona won btw
>>57066767And Compound Eyes Hurricane
Yupparoo, Nemona definitely won bigly
>>5706670> Gen IXAnon,don't use a movepool improved by over 20 years of updates,it makes you look disingenuous.https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Voltorb_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Generation_I_learnset#https://www.serebii.net/pokedex/100.shtml
same could be said with all the noble mons from pla
>>57066597The fact that the original two games were Red and Green and had Charizard and Venusaur on the covers seems to indicate that the turtle was the odd one out for the developers.
>>57062242The evil team mon of earlygame birds
>>57063373Buff my boy :(
None of the legendaries were meant to be caught or used by the player until GenV when the story basically forces you to catch Resh/Zek.
>>57066702You're looking at gen 9 moves set dumdum
>>57066350Cleric, most early Gen 5 mon are built around supporting the team or tanking hits. Not entirely useless, especially since it can naturally have Regenerator
>>57066152This sounds too reasonable to be canon
>>57063142And then you defend shit like Spinda
>>57062019Onix is so fucking cool bros...
>>57062231Name a better answer to Cynthia's Garchomp than having your own Garchomp with higher speed.
>>57070197Weavile>>57063614>Most are either just straight up not catchable pre-elite 4Name three
>>57062242Fearow exists to remind me to use repels, nothing more.
>>57070154Still pissed that Onix, the most iconic rock type ace in the series, loses its rock type when it evolves.
>>57062019Every Pokémon, as at least one Form, in at least one game, is designed with the idea a player may want to use that Pokémon. That's one the greatest things about this series.There are some Forms of Pokémon not meant to be used by players. Any "Pokémon" not meant to be used a player is not counted as a Pokémon at all.https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_disputed_and_unidentified_Pok%C3%A9mon
>>57070330When you think of it, Rock was a prototype version of Steel concept-wise, since it was advertised as the "defense > offense" type(when in practice its the other way around).
>>57071428>Every Pokémon, as at least one Form, in at least one game, is designed with the idea a player may want to use that Pokémonexplain delibitd
>>57072117A player may want to use a Pokemon centered around a luck-based move that has a variety of effects, and Delibird fulfills that niche perfectly.
Reason fearow never got much love was probably cause ash had a pidgeotto and lots of kids probably thought that later level evolution = better, I sure did
>>57062019Gamefreak didn't want anyone to use Floxpenit doesn't have good stats or HA as well for PVP.it's objectively a fillermon
>>57072122nobody would ever want that tho.
>>57072422how hard will ivicuck off himself when braxien get a mega in za?
Venusaur has a mega before you were even born, cucko>also Braixen getting megayou mean Delphox, dumbo
>>57063614>Most are either just straight up not catchable pre-elite 4Bullshit. They require the late game HMs to get to, but so does the E4 usually. If you have the HMs and badges to get to the E4, you can go get your psudo-legendary
>imediatly puting himselfthree bulletsinyour skull
>>57062019Goldeen and Seaking feel like they were made solely for NPC trainers to inflict confusion.
>>57066405>>57066414This battle is a 3v3 though.
>>57070197WeavileFroslassGlaceon
>>57072117Comes with fly + ice punch in its debut gen.
>>57072688>postgame exclusive shitmonswowser
>>57063279>What if we take unown’s gimmick and crank it to 4 billion
>>57072696Only one of those is postgame anon, the other two are easily obtained well before it.
>>57072696>>57072727In Plat you can get all three before the postgame
>>57067050>>57069927Firstly, no particular Gen was ever stated by any of you. Secondly, Rhyhorn doesn't get any Rock or Ground moves in Gen 1 by level up either, but I don't see either of you suggesting not to use it. Thirdly, there's nothing wrong with using the Thunderbolt TM on Voltorb/Electrode if you want to use it. None of the other electric Pokemon (besides Pikachu in Yellow) can learn Thunderbolt by level up, and you'll find Voltorb soon after you beat Surge (on Route 10) anyway.
I always find it so sad that there's over a thousand Pokemon but people are so hung up on "this thing is fucking unusable" that they never leave their comfort zone and stick with the same batch +1 or 2 new mon. Fuck that, I'll try to make it work.
>>57072977sure they work in game, it's in extra games that they don't work.>Stadium 1+2>Colleseum/XD>Battle revoltuion>battle tower/subway/tree>Cups onlineFact is you are going to get stomped out if you try to bring in garbage.
>>57071428Onix was very obviously designed with the purpose of being the first boss which is why it's a rock type with a massive defense stat and absolutely nothing else. Of course you're allowed to catch it and use it yourself like any other Pokemon but that certainly was not the intention behind its design. Gen 1 and 2 in general also have a lot of Pokemon that existed mostly to be rare and hard to catch to make filling out the Dex more rewarding rather than actually be useful Pokemon to the player, calling Porygon or Wobbuffet usable is like calling baseball cards or novelty mugs or commerative coins usable, sure technically there may be some practical use but their real purpose for existence is to be collectible fodder.
>>57072422How can it be a flop if it was never intended to be good?
>>57072696dp- only weavileplatinum- all 3bdsp- weavile and froslass
>>57070330Why couldn't they make him Rock/Steel?
>>57073047Rock/Steel is about 10x worse than Rock/Ground.
>>57064085why do retards act like this thing having a 5% encounter rate makes it uncatchable
>>57070197I actually beat her Garchomp with Abomasnow because the AI was too retarded to use Fire Fang and I one-shot with Avalanche after tanking a Dragon RushI was shocked to find out it had Fire Fang in its moveset later on
>>57073052How so?
>>57073073It's worse in competitive because everyone spams Earthquake and Close CombatIn-game, you're nigh invincible until the late game
>>57073073Rock/Steel is just doubling up on the Fighting and Ground weaknesses for no benefit. Rock/Ground is also defensively weak but they complement each other fantastically offensively, with neutral STAB hits on literally everything except for Grass/Fighting and Grass/Ground (neither of which existed at the time).
>>57065039>Also the dex isn't shat up by unnecessary pre-evos.There's literally a Baby and Baby 2 form in digimon. We could actually do without that.
>>57073106>>57073104>compoh my god who cares onix is like ZU
>>57073411It would still make Onix worse even for casual play so what's your point?
>>57072712counterargument: she cute
>>57073504It actually doesn't because like was said earlier, you aren't running into Close Combats and Ground moves in general outside of specific areas in the main campaign, whereas 4x resisting the Normal type moves every mon throws at you, in addition to the other resistances Steel has makes you nearly unkillable for the majority of the main storyRock/Ground gets shat on by every random ass Water type and Grass type you will be running into around every corner
>>57066152In my head canon, slugmaballs is a sea slug from the volcanic ocean floor but this works too
>>57063700A lot of Unova's Pokemon are set to evolve at high levels that work fine for when they're encountered - but only specifically in Unova, and even then, not when they're, say, hatched from an egg. They need to adjust their evolution levels, because they always end up feeling like they take too long. Prime example: You can encounter Rufflet in Pokemon Sun, at Level 11, in the extremely early Route 3. It's not terribly rare, either - a 30% encounter rate from the flying ambush spots.Have fun carting it around until you've just entered the fucking Pokemon League, though, because Rufflet doesn't evolve until Level 54!
>>57073524>whereas 4x resisting the Normal type moves every mon throws at youUnless you're talking about Gen 1 even the AI largely stops using Normal attacks by the 2nd gym or so, also Onix having a 2x resist and 160 defense is more than enough to shrug off every Normal hit already, a 4x resist is totally redundant. Ground giving an Electric immunity is far, far more valuable, and even with Onix's pathetic attack having STAB-boosted Earthquakes or Magnitudes or whatever else is still so much better than fucking Iron Tail.>Rock/Ground gets shat on by every random ass Water type and Grass type you will be running into around every cornerGood thing you have 5 other Pokemon to fall back on then. Onix provides way more utility as Ground type than it would with a redundant Steel type.
>>57072964Because best rock type coming through.>Available early game. Gen 1/2 old dv system favours pokemon used as early as you can get them>Actually learns a rock move at a useful level, great for ohko every trainers bird and bug>Naturally learns earthquake at a prime LVL 36>Self destruct and explosion trump cardEven graveller holds its own weight if you can't trade, rhyhorn comes in game so late being under leveled, no good moves, and under leveled to the rest of your team up untill that point.
>>57073556Also Onix has fucking 35 (thiry-five) sp.def, it's getting flipped by Water Gun regardless of whether it's 2x or 4x weak or even a neutral hit.
>>57073556>Muh STAB>Worrying about being immune to a type that barely shows up in most main games, but your STAB is resisted by the hordes of Bug and Grass types that are everywhere, if not outright ignored by all the fliers everywhere>You have 5 other Pokemon to rely onNo shit?
>>57073589>Worrying about being immune to a type that barely shows up in most main games,There's an Electric gym or E4 in literally every region except Galar.>Worrying about being immune to a type that barely shows up in most main games, but your STAB is resisted by the hordes of Bug and Grass types that are everywhere, if not outright ignored by all the fliers everywhereAre you an idiot? The point is that you have Ground and Rock STAB together, and Rock and Ground cover for each other almost perfectly. The only things that resist both are Grass/Ground and Grass/Fighting types and I don't think there's a single trainer in any game that uses one except for Barry with Torterra.>No shit?Yeah, and an Electric immunity serves way more utility than 4x resisting Normal on a Pokemon who is already taking effectively 0 damage from Tackle even with only a 2x resist.
>>57073538What's funny is they already realized this was a problem before Gen5 even ended. B2W2 have several evolved Unovamons at below evolution levels in the wild. You can get a lvl25 Braviary or Mandibuzz on route fucking 4, and a level 30 Volcorona in Virbank.
>>57066405>RNG items used by NPCYeah that's fucked up.
>>57062231There is a very reasonable case for Dratini being heavily pushed upon the player in Kanto (gifted to you, Dragonair being a great looking second stage mon, being one of the few Dragon types in all of existence at the time etc.) It's only thematic that it takes until near the end of your entire adventure around the time you fight Blue before you acquire a Dragonite as well.
>>57074289*in Johto
>>57073241 >Baby and Baby 2 form in digimon.That's the thing, there are only a hand full of those per game usually. Digimon multiplies the number of monsters per level so you are going have way more fully evolved ones at the top than baby1/2.
>>57062154I used thisslaking isn't even difficult to use when it can spam normal moves and recover with slack off, and if you get the ko you can just switch out
>>57063769another reason why BW is terribleI had to dump all my rare candies into it to have it for the final fights; while Ghetsis gets to cheat
>>57073808>all those spikes and yellow stripes plastered all overthis is such a shit design. mega evolutions were lazy and a fucking mistake that ruined the whole franchise
>>57066589then why did they make them so much uglier than Pidgey?
>>57066597Bulbasaur WAS the coolest looking one, dumbass.1. Green > Red > Blue2. Other two were way more generic looking. Charmander was just a gecko and squirtle just a turtle. Bulbasaur looked unique and was fused with a plant on the back and anyone who wasn't an idiot could immediately tell why they chose to make it pokémon 001.
>>57068060>facial hair and unibrowcross gen evos after gen 4 were a mistake
>>57073853So why the fuck won't they fix it
>>57073056it's very evident that ADHD runs rampant in the pokemon fandom. pokefags hate doing anything that requires even a modicum of patience
>>57075919also if you're playing on switch mode it's overpowered
>>57076679https://youtu.be/KGqjS4Xz4NQ?si=A6ViEJG1u_LBIg32
>>57063779chansey isn't even the hardest safari zone mon to catch because its slow speed stops it from successfully running unlike fucking tauros
>>57076877lmaooooo thanks for the clip anon
>>57076049>The game is bad because it doesn't let me cheat!!!
