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Watch out anon, someone's going to call you a campaignshitter that stares at Smogon tiers and the type chart.
So that's why I am here to steal the first post from them.

>>57129440
Swap Snow Cloak for Ice Scales and its good. Probably still not OU by usage but definitely viable on stall.

>>57129442
don't you know
anyone who wants obviously weak mons to be buffed is a campaignshitter
the yawnfag impersonation discord server told me so
>>57129465
honestly could be a pretty good buff; sure it's not gonna suddenly appear in OU frequently enough to reach that tier but it'd be better than sitting in ZU (aka untiered aka the "tier" for mons that are actively not recommended for use in any competitive format)
snow cloak is situational at best and there's way better potential abilities it can have
in fact I think a lot of mons with ability slots wasted on weather evasion could be buffed by quite a lot by giving them new abilities to replace shitty weather evasion ones, i'll probably go over this in another post

>>57129440
Didn't it make it pretty far on a VGC team? Haven't seen Zapdos or Moltres much in there.

>>57129440
Ice scales

>>57129530
Yes, but that's because of Sheer Cold, an OHKO move that only other Ice types are immune to

If OHKO moves were banned in VGC, it'd see no usage at all

It needs Ice Scales or a renamed equivalent. Ice/Flying is absolutely horrid without the offense or speed to back it up. Honestly I don't understand why GameFreak makes slow, defensive Ice types without good abilities.

>>57129440
>slowest bird at 85
>weakest bird at 95
>frailest bird despite its defenses because of the shit typing
articuno... had a hard life.

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>>57129530
only one win and the set's only strategy was to rely on RNG with evasion hax and sheer cold fishing
that's not how you get consistent results needed to be actually good
>>57129585
on the topic of ice types that should get ice scales
Alolan Sandslash
would make it not completely useless outside of hail teams, and it also makes sense as the animal it's based on, the Pangolin, is the only mammal with scales
obviously its stats will still suck due to BST creep but at least it gets something it can actually use instead of even more moves that it doesn't need on a mon suffering from 4 moveslot syndrome

>>57129440
They should all get combo weather abilities.

>>57129440
Why was this shitter the one that didn't a status contact ability?
>Cold Body
>30% chance of freeze
There you go. From ZUshit to Uber

>>57129440
>What kind of ability does Articuno need to be on par with its counterparts?

Snow Cloak

Smogoniggertry be damned.

>>57129786
because Snow Cloak is more powerful, as the VGC tournaments (i.e. real Pokemon) proved

>>57129592
>frailest bird
not in snow
>weakest bird
only one with unresistable primary stab and an ohko move
>articuno... had a hard life.
all three birds had base 125 SPC

>>57129538
>OHKO moves were banned in VGC, it'd see no usage at all
ah yes let's ignore Ice Beam + Freeze Dry + Blizzard specs, and Snow Cloak not to mention the snow boost
please play the game

>>57129585
85 speed wasn't that bad in earlier gens at least

>>57129870
sample size: 1 team where all it did was spam blizzard/sheer cold with hail setup by a teammate
if it was consistently good then it’d get much more usage

>>57129875
so many other ice types can do that too, and without getting instakeked by dock slide (which is literally everywhere) among other things
arcticuno isn’t special
just because one person got lucky with his “pray for evasion and sheer cold rng” set doesn’t mean that the mon is suddenly top tier

>>57129440
It needs snowy weather.

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>>57129440
I still think it's weird they haven't given this thing Snow Warning yet. Maybe it comes off as unfair compared to the other two, but it makes the most thematic sense and would help supplement what is supposed to be a bulky stat spread that would work on anything that doesn't share its typing. Being able to take more than one SE hit and then throw out 100% acc Blizzards with zero setup would be fun as hell. If we're absolutely crazy, give it Aurora Veil too. Now it will likely break into OU since it would give A-Ninetales some stiff comp as a slower but bulkier and harder hitting snow + screens setter.

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>>57130333
While I'm at it...

>Zapdos
Already good but just to be "fair" give it Lightning Rod. I don't think that breaks it, but gives it a fun alternative to stallier sets as something that can surprise pivot and gain momentum for the team. If we're insane, give it Thunderclap too

>Moltres
I know this thing has a niche but let's just be fair to this one too. Just give it Flash Fire for flavor even if Flame Body is better, but also add Beak Blast to its level up set. Yeah, it's a signature move, but if there's another mon that it would make sense on I think this is the one. Moltres also has the most usable Attack of the three, so WTF not. Also, why the hell did they remove Burn Up from its move pool? Sometimes I hate Game Freak so fucking much and the way they're just messing around with the move options is a huge sticking point for me.

>Also give the signature genie moves to all three birds while we're at it: Cuno gets Chillwind, Dos gets Wildbolt, and Tres gets Sandsear (it already learns Scorching Sands so I'm going off that). Springtide Storm I guess can go to none of them or one of the GSC box legends (Ho-Oh maybe? And then also give that thing Revival Blessing finally....)

>>57130333
Give the birds Snow Warning, Drizzle, and Drought.
Powercreep is bad enough at this point that I honestly don't think it would break the meta.

>>57129440
Replace Freeze with Frostbite and give Articuno an ability that Frostbites Pokemon using Special attacks on it 30% of the time.

>>57129440
No Guard

>>57130786
>Replace Freeze with Frostbite
He'll come any time now...

>>57129985
>if it was consistently good then it’d get much more usage
1 it was discovered late in its debut format
2 it is restricted to a Hail (Snow) package
3 no legendary birds could hang in the following meta except *Galarian* Moltres
4 it is currently prohibited for use and has been for months

use your brain

>>57129989
>so many other ice types can do that too
which don't all have snow cloak, aren't all special attackers, don't all have sheer cold, don't all have freeze dry, don't have 570 bst, and don't all have 125 spdef

so I don't think so bucko

>arcticuno isn’t special
you sure are though

>>57131132
If OHKO moves were banned in VGC, Articuno couldn’t use them, dipshit.

>>57131204
love how you picked out only one thing you could respond to, and also how you say they don't count despite yourself still including them in the post I just responded to

give it wonder guard.

>>57131204
wrong

>>57129440
zapdos is peak

>>57131132
that post was about role, not very specific setup you fucking underage dipshit
and there are plenty of other mons that can both spam ice type moves AND do other useful things

>>57131124
>post saying something is shit and was only worth mentioning because of one lucky game
>here's some more reasons why it's not used on top of that
>use your brain
uh okay

>>57131916
>post saying something is shit and was only worth mentioning because of one lucky game
>here's some reasons why that claim is wrong

>>57131910
>that post was about role
and that post was about outlining said role: and lo and behold, it's a club of one (1)
>you fucking underage dipshit
projection
>and there are plenty of other mons that can both spam ice type moves
good thing that's not what I outlined

>>57129873
>unresistable primary stab
anon both its stabs are walled by steel...

>>57129442
>someone's going to call you a campaignshitter that stares at Smogon tiers and the type chart.
Probably because that's exactly what OP is. A retard with zero understanding of the game but thinks he understands the game because he's staring at tier lists for a made up format that has literally zero relation to the game.

>>57129538
>yes but that's because of a tool the Pokemon has, the Pokemon would be bad if we arbitrarily removed a thing the Pokemon is designed around
See how retarded you sound?

>>57129786
lmao

>>57132567
Rolling dice with evasion and OHKOs is not a reliable strategy, the fact that's all Articuno can do says it all

>>57132675
>Rolling dice with evasion and OHKOs is not a reliable strategy,
Evidently it is if a guy can get to day 2 of the world championships and win an entire regional off of it. Meanwhile you’re here sotting in your armchair staring at completely irrelevant tier lists and screeching about how XY is too easy.

>>57129860
>Verlifaggot still clinging to that one he won a fan tournament cheeseing Drifblim minimize misses...
You will never be a good compfag, you will never be a fraction as good as Wolfe.

>>57132749
>"strategy" that is 100% luck based is valid because this one person had enough luck with it for 1 day in a tournament
You're a braindead moron.

>>57132780
>”strategy” that relies on the mechanics in the game
Congrats, you’re slowly learning how the game works, campaignshitter.

>>57129465
>but definitely viable on stall
What niche would it have over Blissey and Clod as a special wall?

>>57129440
Cuno's got a bulky spread on a frail offensive type, which means his ability should either lean into the bulk or lean into the killiness of ice and flying. Slush rush or thick fat would be my picks. If we are going "pie in the sky", then just give it either magic guard/bounce or snow warning, but either one feels like it misses the flavor of cuno.

>>57129440
>85 speed
Destined to loose

>>57132542
Ice stab has no immunities so you hit anything and everything no matter what

>>57132567
>>57132749
>>57132793
this

>>57132766
>cheese
reddit

>>57129873
>only one with unresistable primary stab and an ohko move
Even in Gen 1 that wasn't true, Water/Rock resists. Not that it matters because no one was using Flying moves anyways.

>>57133546
That's not what unresisted means.

>>57133546
resistances =/= immunities

It has a fantastic design, it's already better than Moltres by leaps and bounds. But Ice/Flying isn't exactly a stellar type if you want a different answer. But give it something like Glacial Freeze that prevents being damaged by entry hazards.

>>57133325
Unless it lost it while I wasn't looking, it has Defog. Plus, it's a lot less passive thanks to having 95 SpA vs Blissey's 75 SpA and Clod's 75 Atk, AND it can try to cheese a freeze Ala Kyurem.

>>57132793
Is mashing buttons in a fighting game (or any game) a strategy because its still technically using game mechanics?

>>57133577
>>57133578
it is what it means