Is Gen 4 OU (DPP OU) secretly shit?https://youtu.be/pt1it0JcDcU?si=HuK8nq7aGWk1KyrJ
>>57134734Competitive mons is shit
>>57134734Always has been. >pebbles>u-turn>phys/spec split>bloated movepools>origins of dragonspamDP meta was the beginning of the end.
>>57134761>>pebblesvery poorly implementedhad no business doubling spikes damage when maximized, completely at the expense of flying typesshould have capped at 25% for dual-weakness, to exactly mirror spikes damageinstead, it made CHARIZARD unviable>>u-turnhonestly not that big of a problem without volt switch, in my opinioni don't even "abuse" (i.e., use) the move>>phys/spec splitpoorly built upon>>bloated movepoolstons of terrible fanfic tier shit lazy balancing measures like giving Blaziken line Baton Pass>>origins of dragonspamwhat you really are alluding to is buffed Outrage and Dragon Overheat
>>57134780*and base 102 Speed STAB EQ, *with* Swords Dance (and Sand Veil)
>>57134734the bkc vid he's referring to:https://youtu.be/6A7M409c5ak?si=xwb4EsoyFFazcDIYremember: 2x speed
>>57134734Gen4OU is pretty fun, rather play that then most old gens. Very few cheap and stally shit, no wasted turns
>change stealth rocks to be a 2 level hazard that does 10% to flying types/levitating mons per level without hitting grounded mons>nerf Outrage to 100BP>Close Combat now also drops speedFixed Gen 4 comp.
>>57134734>complaining that pokemon can run a variety of items/setsSince when was that a bad thing? Yes, you should have to manage information and play around multiple possibilities. Does he want open teamsheets on ladder?
>Makes an entire boomer fanfic meta mald by just existing>Fanfic meta fags realized how slept on this fucker is in early gens.Machamp bros... this is the gift that keeps on giving.
>>57134734Imagine being a smogon schizo especially on Christmas
>>57134761t. Stallfag
>>57134998>>change stealth rocks to be a 2 level hazard that does 10% to flying types/levitating mons per level without hitting grounded monsdon't like this>nerf Outrage to 100BPtoo weakyou realize it's a Thrash clone, right?would you ever use 100 BP Thrash?>Close Combat now also drops speedit never needed to be 120 BP and it doesn't make sense when a move like Dynamic Punch is weaker than it
Rocks doesn't need a nerf
>>57135242>Does he want open teamsheets on ladder?we all shouldguessies is bullshit and not what Pokemon is about when it comes to predicting sets and structuresit should be about turn to turn playsI swear to you you will find yourself frustrated by how often an unforeseen last mon or surprise move choice can lose you a game that you otherwise could have won
>>57135710they do, but to perfect parity with Spikes, and to have its distribution slashed dramatically
>>57135715mmm nyo
>>57135715Stealth Rocks being type-based is so stupid.
>>57135861it's not stupidstealth rock was invented because flying types were immune to hazards
>>57135983Which fucked over the other types weak to rock that weren't immune to hazards.
>>57135242Because you only have 6 Pokemon in team - That's 6 abilities, 6 items and 24 moves to not only be able to commit to your own strategy but also defend yourself from everything that opponent can throw at you. Too diverse meta means that you may lose purely based on matchup, because in your limited toolkit you could not fit tools to beat everything. Pokemon having bloated, uniform movepools also flattens diversity in negative way - in earlier gens you could consider "weaker" option due to it having unique combination of elements at disposal but when everything learns all the best moves then what's the point?
>People played with and against Machamp without zero issues for over two decades>OneYoutuber gets butthurt about losing to Machamp once>Now everyone pretends Machamp is cancer for the tier and must get banned instantly and DPP was never got all alongTruly insanity.I wouldn't be surprised if this is a psy-op to make Gen 4 look bad because this Jimothy dude is a Gen 3 fag and wants Gen 3 to become even more popular.
>>57136162That's absolutely it, ADVfags have been getting more and more uppity over the years in their insistence that ADV is "the perfect meta".
>>57136162>People 18 years ago had had different and lower standards than people who play todayWoah no way!
>>57136001This
>>57136162>>OneYoutuber gets butthurt about losing to Machampit's not the youtuber you mentioned however>>Now everyone pretends Machamp is cancer for the tier and must get banned instantlynot sure who's "everyone" and neither are you>>DPP was never got all alongLatias Gen 4 OU yes, was never good>Truly insanity.this is insane>I wouldn't be surprised if this is a psy-op to make Gen 4 look bad because this Jimothy dude is a Gen 3 fag and wants Gen 3 to become even more popularit's not that deepthere are no gen4ou poketubers shilling for it besides BKC for many, many reasonsthere are reasons why gen3ou is now triply more played than gen4ou despite always being less played than it until last yearthe only psyop was it getting away with being considered good for years unchallenged
>>57136172Gen 3 OU is the best OU in all of Smogon currently, and historically the best period.
>>57134734paralysis clause anyone?
>>57136043This is exactly the problem with the Smogon mentality Too many motherfuckers hate learning that they aren't the smartest in the room and getting beat by shit that was "beneath" themI do agree that the power creep making things too uniform fucks with the meta in negative ways and takes away from being able to find unique answers to specific problems... and when you do, the Smogon set cries and bans themPour out some liquor for the homie Cacturne
>>57136220Okay gen3fag.
>>57136220pokeaim likes gen 4 but iirc he said stuff like "if i could ban one thing it would be clefable" and "if i could unban one thing it would be mew". lol. not sure how serious he was about these statements but the basic reason being that modern gen 4 has a higher prevalence of fat teams / nostalgia for the old days of a more offense centric meta. pokeaim is a latias fag tho right. i wasn't under the impression that latias was widely disliked, i never see anyone complaining about it other than maybe lamenting infernape's tanked viability.
Oh, a Steel-type is ruining your tier? By spamming Thunder Wave?Wow, what a story.
>>57136698it's a refusal to acknowledge the problem because it requires an accompanying admission of mistakenness. Additionally, when the situation is such that the surface-level assumption that Latias is fine because of Pursuit Tyranitar, Jirachi, and Heatran existing, it becomes very easy to not bother looking past all that at the resultant marginalized options and tiering constraints it's created, such as the unwillingness to ban Jirachi.
I remember loving running Rain Dance and Sandstorm teams in Gen 4, was an absolute blast. Haven't had nearly as much fun running those since then.
>>57136477Cacturne, who finally became outstanding in his field and a thorn in the side of a stale meta.And Sandslash, who was mercilessly cut despite never even doing anything.
>>57134734Blunder also put Gen 4 OU in the bottom of his tierlist recently
>>57136988Back when Gen 3 was the hotness, I usually had Cacturne on my teams to make Celebi and Ttar piss and shit themselvesNothing beat setting up that sub and launching a big time Focus Punch on that lazy ass crutch character rockzillaGood fuckin times
>>57137007that was the first wave of its revival/resurgence but even that had nothing on its current popularity and engagement
>>57135983So? Types are supposed to have differences between them.
>>57136043damn almost like this children's game isn't competitive or something
